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Rugby Direct - Episode 193 · Rugby Direct

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Excess Solutions, celebrating twenty
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Speaker 2: five years in business. Let's get into it, Liam, don't
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Speaker 2: waste any time. Give us your thoughts. All Blacks and
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Speaker 2: England's the All Blacks third loss of the year. The
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Speaker 2: people want to know what you think.
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Speaker 3: It was a fairly dark day at Twickenham, wasn't it.
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Speaker 3: Elliott's Look for me, this wasn't unexpected. I thought England
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Speaker 3: would win and just on the basis of what we've
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Speaker 3: seen in recent times from the All Blacks. Look, if
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Speaker 3: we deal with the game first and foremost, England came
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Speaker 3: out of the blocks and threw everything at the All Blacks.
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Speaker 3: They did well to whether an early storm, scored two good,
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Speaker 3: were up twelve nil. I thought their line out was
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Speaker 3: really good. They got I think three steals in the
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Speaker 3: first half, but there wasn't a lot else that went right.
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Speaker 3: There was some really poor instances when Boden Barrett's and
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it was Cam Roygard's on the second occasion,
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Speaker 3: which most people have actually missed. Roygard missed touch, so
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Speaker 3: twice the All Blacksmiths touch from penalties. Some of their
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Speaker 3: high ballwork allowed England to come back into the game
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Speaker 3: a couple of George Ford drop goals, and it's even
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Speaker 3: at that point it started to feel like the momentum
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Speaker 3: had turned. And then we had another third quarter fade,
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Speaker 3: the yellow card from Cody Taylor, which I reckon was harsh,
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Speaker 3: but you could argue it was cynical and England just
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Speaker 3: steamrolled the All Blacks from there. They had one tried
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Speaker 3: denied because of an offside from the line outs, and
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Speaker 3: concerning that the nature of those tries I think was
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Speaker 3: a Fraser ding wall that was just all too easy
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Speaker 3: waltzing through the All Blacks defense. Look credit to England.
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Speaker 3: They they performed really well. That They've got a number
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Speaker 3: of different different assets to their game, big strong, full pack.
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Speaker 3: You know, their DNA around the set piece, George Ford
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Speaker 3: was hugely influential. But there's some major, major concerns for
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Speaker 3: the All Black team and unless there's some major changes,
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Speaker 3: I also don't see them improving the only context to
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Speaker 3: that is they can touch on it a little bit
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Speaker 3: later when you give us your thoughts. But just around
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Speaker 3: the players that are missing from that I guess first
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Speaker 3: choice twenty three through injury.
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Speaker 2: Yeah there are. But the All Blacks have always prided
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Speaker 2: themselves on having that next man up mentality and you know,
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Speaker 2: believing that players can create an opportunity if they were
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Speaker 2: to take it. But I thought this was a really
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Speaker 2: poor performance from the All Blacks. I you know, I
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Speaker 2: packed them last week. I thought they were going to
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Speaker 2: win by six, so I thought they had it in
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Speaker 2: them two beat what is a good and improving England side.
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Speaker 2: And you've got to give them their flowers because they
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Speaker 2: were very, very good and perhaps not as limited as
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Speaker 2: many thought they might be. With George Ford at ten.
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Speaker 2: In fact, he was the man for the occasion. He
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Speaker 2: stood up beautifully, I thought, while deserving. I was mad
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Speaker 2: at the match Crown, but from an All Blacks perspective,
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Speaker 2: that was some of the silliest rugby I've seen this
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Speaker 2: team play ever. And we'll focus on the All Blacks.
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Speaker 2: You know, England, we've given them their credit. But this
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Speaker 2: is a New Zealand Rugby podcast, so let's teak. We
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Speaker 2: dig into this All Blacks performance, but you touched on it.
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Speaker 2: Their missing touch twice is unforgivable, and you could argue
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Speaker 2: the twelve mil lead came almost against the run of
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Speaker 2: player a little bit. England dominated the early exchanges. Bill
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Speaker 2: Black's got their first opportunity. We're down at the in
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Speaker 2: the field and all of a sudden they were twelve
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Speaker 2: mi no ol up. But there doesn't seem to be
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Speaker 2: any realization on how to build pressure. And you know,
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Speaker 2: twelve and a up. Yes, England's score again relative soon
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Speaker 2: after that, and the momentum swings back to England, but
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Speaker 2: there's no trying to bank three more points. And you
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Speaker 2: look at the England mindset went from twelve to five
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Speaker 2: down in the four or five minutes will half time
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Speaker 2: to being twelve to eleven behind, and they swung the
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Speaker 2: momentum the All Blacks twelve miller up. You know, if
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Speaker 2: you get to fifteen, n'il start building a few more opportunities. Now,
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Speaker 2: they didn't keep hold of the ball well enough and
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Speaker 2: consolidate those points scoring opportunities well enough, and that left
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Speaker 2: them wide open and vulnerable. So when England scored and
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Speaker 2: England managed to keep scoring and keep that school board
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Speaker 2: pressure going on. It's a real thing. And that's what
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Speaker 2: All Blacks teams used to be able to do really well,
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Speaker 2: was keep that school board pressure tacking over it. This
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Speaker 2: current team doesn't seem to know how to do it.
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Speaker 2: And they were probably lucky to only lose thirty three
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Speaker 2: to nineteen because that trial binils you mentioned would have
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Speaker 2: blinded out with still about twenty five minutes ago. It
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Speaker 2: was already hard to see the All Blacks coming back
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Speaker 2: from that point. Just a really, really poor performance from
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Speaker 2: the All Blacks. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: One of the big concers for me is if you
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Speaker 3: look at the second half in particular, some of the
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Speaker 3: just seem bereft of ideas. On attack. They don't know
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Speaker 3: how to get go forward, they don't know how to
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Speaker 3: create space. They're waiting on individual brilliants to get them
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Speaker 3: out of trouble. They're really static, and what are they
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Speaker 3: doing from an attack?
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Speaker 2: At point it seemed to play like a team on attack.
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Speaker 2: You're right that they're try and wait for that individual
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Speaker 2: moment to spark an attack and get them on the
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Speaker 2: front foot and get them going. Otherwise they go very lateral.
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Speaker 3: It's all flat footed shuffling across the line waiting for
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Speaker 3: somebody to break attack or offload rather than trying to
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Speaker 3: set something up.
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Speaker 2: We saw in the first time and I think they
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Speaker 2: did as well, was when they sort of sucked all
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Speaker 2: the England defenders into the middle of the park and
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Speaker 2: then that created the opportunities for faying on Noku and
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Speaker 2: Cody Taylor on that left edge. But that's a good
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Speaker 2: trick to use twice. But then when you got the
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Speaker 2: ball back and trying to build pressure, it seemed like
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Speaker 2: they were waiting for England to basically give up a
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Speaker 2: penalty also then have an idea of what to do,
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Speaker 2: how to strike from meters fifty to twenty two. Just yeah,
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Speaker 2: that the attacking shape is non existent, I have to
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Speaker 2: say at the moment, and that may sound harsh, but
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Speaker 2: it just feels like there's not enough there to go. Yep,
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Speaker 2: bets and all Blacks attack. We know the way that
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Speaker 2: they want to play, we know this is the style
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Speaker 2: of All Blacks rugby. It doesn't seem to be any
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Speaker 2: style at the moment.
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Speaker 3: No, so attack is one major concern. And then okay,
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Speaker 3: so who's responsible for the attack where you've got your
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Speaker 3: game drivers? First and foremost guys like Boden Barrett, Will
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Speaker 3: Jordan cam Rogal when he was on the pitch, but
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Speaker 3: from a coaching perspective, it's Scott Hansen and so I
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Speaker 3: think there needs to be some real questions asked about
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Speaker 3: what's happening with the All Black attack and why it's
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Speaker 3: not working and it hasn't been working this year. You've
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Speaker 3: got Jason Holland leaving at the end of the year.
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Speaker 3: He's a strike coach. I don't know how much say
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Speaker 3: he's actually had over that, so that's one issue. I
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Speaker 3: think the All Blacks kicked really poorly as well. Boden
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Speaker 3: Barrack I think he got one fifty twenty two. Cam
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Speaker 3: Roygal was hugely influential from the base, raking clearance kicks,
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Speaker 3: saving the All Blacks on a number of occasions, but
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Speaker 3: after he went off, I can't really remember the All
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Speaker 3: Blacks turning England around. Boden Barrack had a dinky little
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Speaker 3: chip for Ardie Severe. He's not the right guy to
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Speaker 3: be putting in a chip for that should be Will Jordan.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if that was a mix up of
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Speaker 3: some description, but they were supremely outplayed from a tactical
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Speaker 3: kicking point of view, and then tactically some just bizarre decisions,
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Speaker 3: not replacing a loose ford with the hooker until later
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Speaker 3: when Cody Taylor went off taking a tap kick rather
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Speaker 3: than kicking a goal.
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Speaker 2: And then well you to this touch on that because
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Speaker 2: when they took the tapy go, that's bizarre. But okay,
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Speaker 2: maybe there's a strike play or something set here that
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Speaker 2: they have practiced for on the training field. No, two
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Speaker 2: phases later, they just bombed it downfield.
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Speaker 3: Just an aimless kick in the air. They're never going
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Speaker 3: to get back. And you were just sitting there baffled, like,
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Speaker 3: what was the point in that? Who made that decision
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Speaker 3: and why? So tactically, on field, decision making, leadership, attack,
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Speaker 3: all these things are in the spotlight.
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Speaker 2: They have to be. And you know, the All Black
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Speaker 2: scored nineteen points yesterday. They scored how many in the
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Speaker 2: second spell last week? Eight points. We can talk about
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Speaker 2: the second third quarter fades and it is a big
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Speaker 2: part of the game, but it wasn't the sole reason
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Speaker 2: they lost yesterday. Yes, they went in with a halftime
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Speaker 2: lead and that evaporated pretty quickly, but minutes one to
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Speaker 2: forty were also an issue. And so we're minutes sixty
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Speaker 2: to eighty. It just so happened that they considered the
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Speaker 2: first penalty of the game was yellow card. Cody Taylor
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Speaker 2: goes off, and they tried something different, used to try
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Speaker 2: to go out on the field three or four minutes
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Speaker 2: earlier and warm themselves back up after halftime. That didn't
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Speaker 2: work in the slightest. So it looks like a team
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Speaker 2: that are playing like individuals rather than a team at
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Speaker 2: the moment, and symptomatic of some of their losses this year,
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Speaker 2: the one in Argentina, the one in Wellington against South Africa,
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Speaker 2: as well as that these losses are coming in similar
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Speaker 2: fashion and teams are knowing how to beat the All Blacks.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's a common theme and it's been building. This
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Speaker 3: result has been building because the inconsistencies within games have
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Speaker 3: been there and in many ways results are papered over
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Speaker 3: the cracks. So, yep, the All Blacks finished brilliantly in
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Speaker 3: Chicago three tries. Credit for that twenty minute period where
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Speaker 3: everything clicked and then but for sixty minutes pretty poor.
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Speaker 3: The following week, Damien McKenzie saves their blushes after blowing
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Speaker 3: a seventeen point leads so those massive swings within games
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Speaker 3: that inconce instancies. This isn't a new theme. It's a
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Speaker 3: common thing that's very evident week to week, and they're
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Speaker 3: not solving it.
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Speaker 2: It is. And look previous All Black sides, the great
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Speaker 2: All Black sides, would have these sort of games where
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Speaker 2: they did need to find themselves out of trouble.
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Speaker 3: But you're never going to have everything your own way, right, No.
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Speaker 2: But if you have one of those games in a while,
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Speaker 2: that's understandable when you are basically having those week to
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Speaker 2: week and not being able to dominate the way that
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Speaker 2: All Blacks teams are expected to do and play the
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Speaker 2: way that all Blacks teams are expected to do. You know,
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Speaker 2: you look at the two teams yesterday and it was
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Speaker 2: England who bullied the All Blacks. Now, the All Blacks
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Speaker 2: have built their brand on being the you know, the
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Speaker 2: sharpest team in world rugby, having those attacking instincts, scoring
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Speaker 2: when you know it looked impossible by and large, apart
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Speaker 2: from that to Tripeia in the first Belt, it was
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Speaker 2: England who made the attack look easy rather than the
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Speaker 2: All Blacks. And I think it's a really worrying sign.
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Speaker 3: It is, and I just want to I guess look
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Speaker 3: briefly on the other side of the fence for what
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Speaker 3: this one means for England. Right, So, first win at Twicken'
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Speaker 3: them over the All Blacks in thirteen years, first win
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Speaker 3: over the All Blacks in five years. It's there. It
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Speaker 3: was the second largest and the second most points I've
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Speaker 3: ever scored against the All Blacks. They've now won ten
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Speaker 3: games in a row and they are building. I mentioned
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Speaker 3: pre match that they have much more strength and depth
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Speaker 3: than Ireland and Scotland did. I think that that's very
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Speaker 3: evident by their bench. They are building some real momentum
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Speaker 3: and to paint the picture of these two teams, because
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Speaker 3: it really was going to color the complexion of both
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Speaker 3: side seasons. If you look back to last year England
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Speaker 3: have England lost three tight games to the All Blacks.
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Speaker 3: Last year they have improved significantly, I would argue the
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Speaker 3: All Blacks haven't. And they're basically are they exactly where
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Speaker 3: they are.
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Speaker 2: They could be. They're pretty much stagnant from last year.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they've changed a few players and probably got
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Speaker 2: more selection, is right, but they feel like they have
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Speaker 2: a year on year. No, probably haven't improved and it
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Speaker 2: feels like to an extent, we're back in those days
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two where the All Blacks attack was
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Speaker 2: non existent. This is the Irish series in twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: two where yet they had a good game at Eton
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Speaker 2: Park when when things were changed and a few coaches
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Speaker 2: were out through COVID, but otherwise the attacking ship was
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Speaker 2: all over the show. They didn't know the way that
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Speaker 2: wanted to play and that force change and the All
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Speaker 2: Blacks set up. So I think, you know, people will say, oh,
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Speaker 2: you know, the one Island, the one Scotland, but I
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Speaker 2: think this was always going to be the one that
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Speaker 2: this tour was judged on if they got through the
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Speaker 2: first Yeah, the.
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Speaker 3: Whole theme of this tour was conquering the Kingdom winning
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Speaker 3: the Grand Slam.
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Speaker 2: And they were the ones that you know, said that
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Speaker 2: they wanted to do the Grand Slam and join the
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Speaker 2: other teams in history that had done so. So let's
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Speaker 2: park the attack for the moment. The defeat was also poor. Yesterday,
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Speaker 2: Leroy Carter was run over by Oli Lawrence for England's
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Speaker 2: first try. Fraser ding will slice through a gap in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the park that you know shouldn't have
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Speaker 2: been there as well. Work moved from England. But again
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Speaker 2: basics from the All Blacks go missing when they're under
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Speaker 2: pressure underhill scores close to the line. They were batted
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Speaker 2: there defensively wise, you know, again this falls under a
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Speaker 2: little bit of Scott Hansen's remit, but also Tomo d Allison.
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Speaker 2: We're not seeing the All Blacks defense with those renowned
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Speaker 2: you know, you know, turning defense into attack moments or
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Speaker 2: even just being able to defend your line that we
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Speaker 2: have come to correspond with this team over a number
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Speaker 2: of years.
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Speaker 3: Well, the All Blacks were brilliant defensively last week in Edinburgh,
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Speaker 3: they say, multiple tries on their line. It was really
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Speaker 3: heroic stuff. But you can't do that every week. And
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Speaker 3: a team like England, big physical pack, all the momentum
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Speaker 3: eighty one thousand p there, it's incredibly difficult to stop
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Speaker 3: and so some of those tries were really soft. But
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Speaker 3: you can't put yourself under that sort of pressure. You
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Speaker 3: need to put yourself in the right area of the field.
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Speaker 3: You need to build momentum in other ways. So, I
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Speaker 3: mean we've touched on a little bit. Let's really dull
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Speaker 3: into this coaching team. Where are they at I've got
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Speaker 3: real doubts about whether raises the guy right now and
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Speaker 3: if he is going to improve this team. I'm adamant
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Speaker 3: he needs to make changes to his coaching team.
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Speaker 2: Well, there is nothing on the basis of the last
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Speaker 2: two years that would seduce that they are a team
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Speaker 2: capable of winning the twenty twenty seven World Cup as
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Speaker 2: it stands now. Things can change a lot in two years,
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Speaker 2: but you can only go on the evidence that you've
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Speaker 2: been given to this point. And while the All Blacks
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Speaker 2: are supposedly ranked second in the world, and I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure how the rank of the loss use today changes.
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Speaker 3: It, they'll stay at second, But for me, the probably
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Speaker 3: fourth behind South Africa, England and probably France.
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Speaker 2: And those maybe apart from France and look like our
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Speaker 2: team on the rise. Ireland don't know. I don't really
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Speaker 2: take a lot out of that when over Australia yesterday.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that a bit later, but it feels
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Speaker 2: like two years in we're not seeing the evidence that
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Speaker 2: this team is building towards the twenty twenty seven will cut.
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Speaker 2: There have been fits and starts and moments here and there,
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Speaker 2: and you know, you wonder whether they've turned a corner. Well,
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Speaker 2: it feels like yesterday they went back around the corner
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Speaker 2: and at a rate of knots. And you don't want
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Speaker 2: to view in isolation too much. And I think that's
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Speaker 2: why looking at a big picture is.
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Speaker 3: It not about being knee jerk either, because the signs
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Speaker 3: that a result like this has been coming.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we had a result like this in September
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Speaker 2: in Wellington, and then they went and beat Australia, who
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Speaker 2: are on the come down of that line series and
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Speaker 2: beating the spring Boks. Then they go up again and
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Speaker 2: beat Ireland in Chicago and then beat Scotland. But again
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Speaker 2: I go back to this point, You're halfway point for
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Speaker 2: the World Cup. Where's this team at? And it's hard
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Speaker 2: to mount an argument that they could win a quarter final,
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Speaker 2: a semi final and a final consecutively, backing up week
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Speaker 2: to week. So I think there has to be concerns
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Speaker 2: about the coaching team.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So for me, there's a couple of things that
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Speaker 3: need to happen. My understanding is Robertson, Scott Hansen and
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Speaker 3: Jason rowan a very very tight click and they don't
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Speaker 3: necessarily share information. Well they select the team. I think
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Speaker 3: that needs to be challenged. I think they didn't have
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Speaker 3: attack coach. That seems very evident. And with Jason Holland leaving,
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Speaker 3: I think Scott Robinson said he didn't plan to replace them. Well,
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Speaker 3: I think New Zealand Rugby at the end of this year,
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Speaker 3: with all due respect to Wales, the result of this
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Speaker 3: week in's fiction, unless you all Becks lose, is not like,
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Speaker 3: is not going to alter where things are at Bill
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Speaker 3: Becks will make changes and they should win, but it's
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Speaker 3: not going to change the complexion. So I think New
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Speaker 3: Zealand Rugby needs to have a real hands on look
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Speaker 3: and have a say in that coaching team, and there
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Speaker 3: needs to be some real pointed feedback around that because
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Speaker 3: sitting idle is not an option because on the horizon
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Speaker 3: is that that tour to South Africa and that is
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Speaker 3: going to be incredibly torrid. The Springboks are getting further
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Speaker 3: ahead of everyone and if you don't make change now,
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Speaker 3: that could go really bad.
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Speaker 2: Well, you don't want to look back in a year
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Speaker 2: and go gee, I wish would change something then, because
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Speaker 2: now we're stuck with X Y Z it or stuck
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Speaker 2: in this pattern.
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Speaker 3: There was also always concern around this coaching team about
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Speaker 3: the lack of international experience, and I think that's probably
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Speaker 3: been born out the other The other thing which we
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Speaker 3: think we know is that you know, Razer doesn't do
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Speaker 3: a lot of hands on coaching, and Scott Hansen is
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Speaker 3: his right hand man, has a lot of say in
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Speaker 3: a lot of things with that big tactics. Yeah, look,
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Speaker 3: that dynamics pretty interesting in itself.
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Speaker 2: That's from the outside and you can do what you
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Speaker 2: want when you're winning. And if that's the system that
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Speaker 2: works for you when and you're putting results on the board,
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Speaker 2: then have at it. Because you know, so has had
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Speaker 2: a director of rugby with Russi and Jacques Ederberger was
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Speaker 2: coaching for the last four years. Every team and nation
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Speaker 2: have their own quirks. And if that's the system that
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Speaker 2: you want to go with and it works for you, great,
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Speaker 2: If it works. When it doesn't work, that's when it
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Speaker 2: invites questions. And I think I said on the podcast
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago around the division of labor
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Speaker 2: in this coaching cawnp it feels like a lot is
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Speaker 2: on a few shoulders, but also lots on you know,
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Speaker 2: really phrase that lots on a few shoulders, But is
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Speaker 2: it too much on one pair of shoulders and not
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Speaker 2: enough on the next pair of shoulder if you get
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Speaker 2: my drift, and I think it.
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Speaker 3: Needs to be clear directives around who's doing what.
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Speaker 2: That's right and I would suggest that when you are
19:06
Speaker 2: struggling to get results like this All Blacks team is
19:10
Speaker 2: at the moment three losses this year for last year,
19:14
Speaker 2: then you go back to basics. You go back to
19:16
Speaker 2: a head coach at a tech coach, a defense coach,
19:19
Speaker 2: and you know you can have your micro coroaches like
19:22
Speaker 2: a scrum coach, et cetera behind that. You can't sort
19:26
Speaker 2: of have a system like this where the division of
19:29
Speaker 2: labor is unclear when you're not getting results. I think
19:31
Speaker 2: that's my opinion on it.
19:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, coaches live and die by results. But
19:35
Speaker 3: it's also the way, the manner in which you win,
19:39
Speaker 3: the manner in which you lose. The spring box defeat.
19:42
Speaker 3: This defeats the big swings and blowouts and consistencies that
19:47
Speaker 3: says something's not right and something's not working and something
19:50
Speaker 3: needs to be done about that because if you don't,
19:52
Speaker 3: it festers and it will get worse.
19:55
Speaker 2: That's right, and look, this All Blacks brand relies on
19:58
Speaker 2: them winning, And so that also goes and feeds into
20:02
Speaker 2: those questions, is that you know, they sell this brand
20:04
Speaker 2: and go around the Globe and the Bean to Chicago,
20:08
Speaker 2: and with a little bit of help from the Irish
20:10
Speaker 2: population in Chicago and Ireland themselves, they go through and
20:14
Speaker 2: build this around the globe that they had a lot
20:16
Speaker 2: of sponsor events last week in London. Again, that's built
20:20
Speaker 2: on a history of winning. When you're not winning, even
20:23
Speaker 2: for a season or two, and it starts drying up,
20:25
Speaker 2: that's when the sponsors go, was this brand all that's
20:27
Speaker 2: cracked up to be? So the All Blacks need to
20:29
Speaker 2: be winning?
20:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do. The only portal mate is you put
20:34
Speaker 3: two po Vi Patrick two Polo to Tyre Alomax, Kay, Barrett, Jordi, Barrett,
20:39
Speaker 3: Caleb Clark back in that team. And when Roygard plays
20:42
Speaker 3: eighty minutes when he went off, that was incredibly telling.
20:45
Speaker 3: The All Blacks downward spiral can be intrinsically linked to that.
20:52
Speaker 3: It's a much better all Black team. But there's still
20:55
Speaker 3: major question marks around who is the long term first
20:59
Speaker 3: five who I think Leroy Carter's days are probably numbered
21:04
Speaker 3: on the right wing, and I think there's still major
21:06
Speaker 3: question marks about the blindside.
21:09
Speaker 2: Yep. Well, I don't think Simon Parker has put his
21:12
Speaker 2: hand up yesterday. I thought it was the right decision
21:15
Speaker 2: potentially to have him come off the bench. It was
21:16
Speaker 2: too late for Walls as he did have impacted in
21:18
Speaker 2: that game.
21:19
Speaker 3: I would have started Wallace. I think they got that
21:21
Speaker 3: selection wrong.
21:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree in hindsight. Leroy Carter defensively was found
21:26
Speaker 2: out yesterday. Hasn't had a number of attacking opportunities on
21:29
Speaker 2: this tour. Chip and Chase woodwell yesterday on that one
21:32
Speaker 2: occasion he did, but again it feels like he's struggling
21:36
Speaker 2: to get involved in Test rugby at the moment. And
21:40
Speaker 2: I will also look at this team and go they
21:43
Speaker 2: were conservative and selection last year and I think that
21:46
Speaker 2: is now hamstringing them this year because they're trying to
21:50
Speaker 2: expose some players at Test level almost you know, and
21:54
Speaker 2: the numbers that I think they had roughly about twenty
21:57
Speaker 2: debutants in the last couple of years. But they were
22:00
Speaker 2: conservative last year and basically probably didn't expand as much
22:05
Speaker 2: as they should have in year one and stunted development.
22:09
Speaker 2: And I think they're now playing from behind because you
22:12
Speaker 2: could argue, as we touched on before that England and
22:14
Speaker 2: now I headed them on a tractory and you're speaking
22:18
Speaker 2: to a couple of England rugby riders. They reckon that
22:20
Speaker 2: the All Blacks. Sorry that England maybe six to twelve
22:22
Speaker 2: months ahead of the All Blacks. I think they're taking
22:24
Speaker 2: that leap over the Six Nations this year and beyond.
22:27
Speaker 2: And I think the All Blacks now paying the price
22:30
Speaker 2: of just being a little bit too conservative last year
22:33
Speaker 2: around their selections.
22:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you look, you can run the risk of
22:39
Speaker 3: throwing young players in too early, but I think that
22:42
Speaker 3: the All Blacks on the whole have been conservative. Fabian
22:46
Speaker 3: Holland was another one who didn't play still because he
22:48
Speaker 3: was sick. So Bill Black's basically had six of their
22:51
Speaker 3: first choice twenty three out, so that's important context. Look
22:54
Speaker 3: next year I want to see back into Super Rugby
23:00
Speaker 3: all going well. I think guys like Dylan Pledger and
23:03
Speaker 3: Caleb Tongueytowel needs to come into the squads. I think
23:07
Speaker 3: it's very evident the drop from cam Roy guards. I
23:11
Speaker 3: think they could use some real pace in the outsides.
23:14
Speaker 3: Tongueytail not the Finnished product, but I think he deserves
23:18
Speaker 3: to be on the spot over over a sevy Reese.
23:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, over a severy rees. I mean, I'm not sure
23:22
Speaker 2: his defense seeing him at EPC level is any better
23:25
Speaker 2: than Leroy Carter's, and I think, you know, he can't
23:27
Speaker 2: slip wing solely on defense, but I think it helps
23:29
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure there's much of a boost there,
23:32
Speaker 2: but I think if he has another good Super Rugby
23:33
Speaker 2: campaign with the Hinders, then absolutely worthy of consideration. Yeah,
23:40
Speaker 2: it leaves the All Blacks in a vulnerable position.
23:43
Speaker 3: I think this raises something about seventy three percent. Seven
23:47
Speaker 3: from my maths isn't great, but seven from twenty six
23:51
Speaker 3: twenty five.
23:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've played fourteen last year. They've played twelve year
23:55
Speaker 2: in twenty six.
23:56
Speaker 3: Years, even losses from twenty six.
23:58
Speaker 2: It's not a great record. And there was a lot
24:01
Speaker 2: of expectation on Scott Robertson when he came into the
24:04
Speaker 2: job that you know things were going to change and
24:07
Speaker 2: the All Blacks are going to play a little differently.
24:10
Speaker 2: The bizarre thing is that they're not playing like they did.
24:12
Speaker 2: His game plan at the Crusaders. You think about the
24:15
Speaker 2: way they played the Crusaders is very full dominated and
24:18
Speaker 2: Yusus she had Will Jordan popping up in Sevy recent
24:20
Speaker 2: those sort of things, and Richie Wonger pulling the strings.
24:22
Speaker 2: But they're not playing like that Crusader's team. So I'm
24:25
Speaker 2: not sure what's being lost and you can't play like
24:28
Speaker 2: you did at Super Rugby versus test Rake. But I'd
24:30
Speaker 2: argue that the Crusader's products that they were game plan
24:34
Speaker 2: that they were using is more akin to test Rugby
24:36
Speaker 2: than whatever the All Blacks are you doing at the moment.
24:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, maybe I don't know if it necessarily.
24:42
Speaker 2: It may not translate, but you know it's a fure dominant.
24:45
Speaker 2: You know, they think about how many times they'd bang
24:47
Speaker 2: it into the corner. Sam Whitelock would be there, that
24:49
Speaker 2: attack really well in the red zone, that finished those opportunities.
24:52
Speaker 2: Things that count on defenses to break. We don't see
24:55
Speaker 2: that at test rak B at the moment from the
24:56
Speaker 2: All Blacks.
24:57
Speaker 3: No, and some of the big things we're missing a
25:01
Speaker 3: real ruthlessness, accuracy and taking your chances and just clear
25:08
Speaker 3: decisive decision making in leadership that you know, there's some
25:13
Speaker 3: real flaws around those things that will like you say,
25:16
Speaker 3: we used to see those from previous All Black teams.
25:20
Speaker 2: They don't do enough with the ball. They're not being
25:23
Speaker 2: driven around the park well enough. Now Bone Barrett had
25:25
Speaker 2: an injury, a quad injury. Ues today. Did some good
25:28
Speaker 2: things in the first twenty minutes, but it sort of
25:30
Speaker 2: fell away a bit after that, and you look at
25:32
Speaker 2: what George Fool was able to do and just slow
25:35
Speaker 2: down the game a little bit even though they were behind.
25:38
Speaker 2: Being a couple of drop goals over then increased the
25:40
Speaker 2: intent of the after halftime.
25:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if Boden's not right to the point that
25:44
Speaker 3: Cam Roygard and Will Jordan are taking line kicks, do
25:48
Speaker 3: you not replace them with Damian McKenzie. So yeah, yeah,
25:53
Speaker 3: some strange, strange decisions.
25:55
Speaker 2: A couple of feedback moments already from our listeners on
25:59
Speaker 2: social media that I'm going to get to on Rugby Direct.
26:02
Speaker 2: So this is from Floyd's regular listener who tweeted me, no,
26:07
Speaker 2: Scott Robinson didn't get it right. Please spend time on
26:09
Speaker 2: the next Rugby Direct discussing one Scott Robinson's long pattern
26:12
Speaker 2: of long running pattern of poor selections. I think we've
26:15
Speaker 2: touched on that two More importantly, something clearly isn't right
26:19
Speaker 2: in camp. What is it? Do you have any response
26:20
Speaker 2: on that.
26:22
Speaker 3: Well, I think we've touched on what needs to change
26:24
Speaker 3: from from a coaching team perspective, and I think it
26:29
Speaker 3: does all start at the top.
26:32
Speaker 2: From the outside of their here like a happy camp
26:34
Speaker 2: that's from the outside. We're not privy to all those
26:37
Speaker 2: moments and the time we get with them, you know,
26:42
Speaker 2: at the training paddock or at media conferences, So it's
26:44
Speaker 2: hard to say, yeah, it seemed like a happy bunch, there'd.
26:47
Speaker 3: Be, but there'd be a lot of tension there this week.
26:49
Speaker 3: I think players like Ricowani would be very muffed about
26:52
Speaker 3: not being picked. I think there's divisions in every team,
26:56
Speaker 3: so you're going to have players passed off about not
27:00
Speaker 3: being selected in any team right leadership.
27:03
Speaker 2: Reportedly, m I l repeatedly rather again on the park yesterday.
27:08
Speaker 2: Scott barrett I saw him interestingly talking to Andre Piarti
27:13
Speaker 2: before the game about a number of things, and then
27:16
Speaker 2: during the game it felt like him and Mara were
27:17
Speaker 2: told you were just chipping away and yapping both at
27:21
Speaker 2: each other but also at and drat party, trying to
27:24
Speaker 2: get decisions across the line. I think it's a natural
27:28
Speaker 2: occurrence when the team's losing. To look at the leadership.
27:31
Speaker 2: But you know Ardie Save is that in the next
27:33
Speaker 2: cab off the rank. I don't think he had one
27:34
Speaker 2: of his great Test matches yesterday either. But I would
27:37
Speaker 2: say there is a bit of a leadership hole on
27:39
Speaker 2: the team at the moment. And you look at the leaders.
27:42
Speaker 2: You know, Cody Taylor, where you can argue with it
27:44
Speaker 2: was a yellow card or not still put himself in
27:46
Speaker 2: that position. It's a player that's played more than one
27:48
Speaker 2: hundred Test Bote and Barrett didn't have a great Test match.
27:50
Speaker 2: He's the most capped back of all time. You know,
27:54
Speaker 2: you can single out a few others as well. But yeah,
27:57
Speaker 2: but I would say the leaders aren't probably where they
27:59
Speaker 2: need to be in this team currently.
28:01
Speaker 3: Yeah. I guess in that match in particular, there's not
28:05
Speaker 3: your senior figures aren't stepping up necessary. Peter Luckey, I
28:09
Speaker 3: think was the All Black's best performer carried. I think
28:12
Speaker 3: he made twenty odd carries. He was highly involved and
28:16
Speaker 3: he's twenty two years old. But look, I think when
28:20
Speaker 3: we talk about the coaching and that starts at the top,
28:24
Speaker 3: the captain has to be questioned as well. And it's
28:26
Speaker 3: a perennial question with Scott Barrett because he was probably
28:30
Speaker 3: a reluctant All Blacks captain. He's got that relationship with Razor.
28:37
Speaker 3: But those on field decisions, you know that we've touched
28:42
Speaker 3: on already, do make you question things.
28:45
Speaker 2: Let's move on to Dylan's feedback on social media as well.
28:48
Speaker 2: Thanks Dylan is always I can't which order these messages
28:51
Speaker 2: came in too to read them. The defense is not
28:54
Speaker 2: being asked questions at all. On attack, it's all just
28:57
Speaker 2: individual brilliance, not playing flat to the line that looks disorganized,
29:01
Speaker 2: with numbers not learning into shape. This is the worst
29:03
Speaker 2: All Blacks attack I've seen in the last twenty years.
29:06
Speaker 2: It's part one agreed, Yeah, Part two Scott Hansen needs
29:10
Speaker 2: we moved on as well. There are zero creativity and attack,
29:12
Speaker 2: no speed of ball, no fixing defenders, three on two skills,
29:15
Speaker 2: decoy runners, lazy and static. What's the deal with the
29:18
Speaker 2: reluctance to get the big body smashing around the corner.
29:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, we touched on that the attack quite a bit.
29:24
Speaker 3: But I agree that the All Blacks, well, their attack
29:29
Speaker 3: is very very stagnant, and that's that shuffling. But it's
29:33
Speaker 3: also we talked about this. I think on the last
29:35
Speaker 3: part about it being highly predictable. Those backdoor plays. Every
29:40
Speaker 3: team knows that's coming and the All Blacks aren't getting
29:42
Speaker 3: enough go for momentum generally before they go wide. They did.
29:47
Speaker 3: There was one set piece move from a scrum where
29:50
Speaker 3: Boden Bart put Wall Jordan on the outside and then
29:53
Speaker 3: I think fighting a nook who scored in the corner.
29:57
Speaker 3: So that's pretty much the only nice attacking creative movement
30:04
Speaker 3: that I can remember from the All Blacks in that match.
30:06
Speaker 2: Well, you look at the way Scotland attack last week
30:09
Speaker 2: against the All Blacks. You look at the way that
30:11
Speaker 2: England attacked and they use big ball runners and they
30:15
Speaker 2: get over the advantage line. The All Blacks scene reluctant
30:17
Speaker 2: to do that, and then they get into a funk
30:20
Speaker 2: of playing static across the middle of the park and
30:25
Speaker 2: they come from a standing start. As well, it appears
30:28
Speaker 2: more often than not whereas it feels like there's always
30:31
Speaker 2: bodies in motion, from the way that England attacked yesterday,
30:35
Speaker 2: they were South Africa attacked Scotland as well Argentina, it
30:39
Speaker 2: feels like there's always bodies in motion. Where it feels
30:41
Speaker 2: like the All Blacks just aren't playing that kind of
30:44
Speaker 2: rugby at the moment. Any thoughts, Yeah.
30:49
Speaker 3: I would like to see them just be more direct
30:51
Speaker 3: now and then you'll get a pick and go, but
30:53
Speaker 3: I can. I think they can get a lot more
30:54
Speaker 3: pay out of that, and that's where I feel guy
30:57
Speaker 3: like Wallace to tt Is Poles apart from Assimon Parker
31:02
Speaker 3: in terms of what he offers were ball in hands
31:05
Speaker 3: and I think park Is probably stronger defensively, but Bill
31:10
Speaker 3: Blacks need to be harnessing those ball runners. And as
31:13
Speaker 3: evolved as Lucky was England's rush defense, their tag team
31:19
Speaker 3: tacklers were very good at shutting the All Blacks down
31:22
Speaker 3: and also slowing their breakdown. They got over the ball.
31:25
Speaker 3: They had a number of open sides on the park
31:28
Speaker 3: throughout their loose Traio Marrow ToJ as well, So I
31:31
Speaker 3: think they won the contact, they won the collisions, and
31:36
Speaker 3: they Harry Deil Blacks at the breakdown as well.
31:38
Speaker 2: They did. You mentioned cam royguard before. I agree, and
31:42
Speaker 2: it didn't help the quotes right and played two minutes
31:44
Speaker 2: of rage in the last two weeks understandably as well.
31:47
Speaker 3: But I think I saw a stat from Jamie wall
31:49
Speaker 3: maybe eleven minutes and six weeks or something like that.
31:51
Speaker 2: And there's some stat like regards well until yesterday, the
31:55
Speaker 2: only loss had had I think was France last year
31:58
Speaker 2: under Scott Robertson. And you know he goes off with
32:01
Speaker 2: what half an hour ago roughly, and they sell Blacks
32:03
Speaker 2: are behind at that point. Who knows reguards out there,
32:06
Speaker 2: but you do notice that you do notice that I
32:08
Speaker 2: can get ten to twenty meters more with his kicks
32:11
Speaker 2: than courtiz rights. So they don't team to have a
32:14
Speaker 2: lot of faith with them, and then they are exposed
32:16
Speaker 2: yesterday when they had to to bring them on. So
32:20
Speaker 2: there are there are a lot of issues.
32:22
Speaker 3: You can't you can't rely on one guy can't exactly
32:24
Speaker 3: as influential as he is and as he will continue
32:28
Speaker 3: to be. It can't be all on a show.
32:30
Speaker 2: But at this point, how vitally is now to these
32:33
Speaker 2: ten the team's hopes. So you think about when he's
32:34
Speaker 2: injured earlier in the year and how they responded to that. Right,
32:38
Speaker 2: we'll take a break, come back, let's talk about the
32:40
Speaker 2: composition of the team to play Wales this week, what
32:42
Speaker 2: we think it might be, and also wrap up the
32:44
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32:56
Speaker 2: It's park England for the time being. And let's talk
32:59
Speaker 2: about Wales in Cardiff, which is we were at well,
33:03
Speaker 2: that's right, you can at Liam Napier indeed, any critiques
33:09
Speaker 2: of that of the Welsh accent? What do they do
33:13
Speaker 2: this weekend? We saw the end of year last year.
33:16
Speaker 2: Now Wales managed to speak Japan yesterday. But this is
33:19
Speaker 2: a test that All Black should win. And do I
33:21
Speaker 2: say that should win? Well, how did they approach this
33:25
Speaker 2: Test match? Because last year they kept too many bodies
33:28
Speaker 2: going right to the end of the season. This year
33:31
Speaker 2: that coming off a loss, they can't win a Grand Slam.
33:34
Speaker 2: Do they be a little bit more inventive? What was
33:38
Speaker 2: you're feeling on a Sunday afternoon as to which way
33:41
Speaker 2: your Blacks will go?
33:42
Speaker 3: I suspect it will be wholesale changes. I think there
33:46
Speaker 3: was an element I'm not making excuses for them, but
33:49
Speaker 3: and the elements of that performance last week of the
33:51
Speaker 3: All Blacks being a gassed yep, from the previous week
33:55
Speaker 3: at Murrayfield, from the year England steamrolled them, and elements
34:01
Speaker 3: of that game. So there's a number of injuries. I
34:04
Speaker 3: don't think we'll see bon and Barretts, cam Roy guards
34:07
Speaker 3: through injury. I think it'll be almost car Blanche a
34:13
Speaker 3: whole new team. I think you'll see McKenzie at ten,
34:16
Speaker 3: Ruben Love at fullback. Sevu will come onto the wing,
34:21
Speaker 3: Riquewani will start somewhere. You'd have to play all the
34:27
Speaker 3: guys that haven't featured. Cortes Latma probably starts, with Filet
34:30
Speaker 3: Christie on the bench, and there's a number of others
34:35
Speaker 3: you know, do see Carrefi probably starts. You can go
34:38
Speaker 3: through all the players that we haven't seen, really have
34:42
Speaker 3: seen a.
34:42
Speaker 2: Lot because it's been a fairly predictable bar a change
34:46
Speaker 2: here the team what.
34:47
Speaker 3: I sort of touched on the back line largely there.
34:50
Speaker 3: What about the full pack, what do they do there?
34:52
Speaker 3: Just that replacement front row start.
34:54
Speaker 2: They'll probably move them into start and then maybe a
34:57
Speaker 2: debut for Tavita Muffalo potentially off the bench, George Bell
35:02
Speaker 2: off the bench as well. You'd think locks wise will
35:06
Speaker 2: be interesting in Fabian Hains out at Yesterday's had a
35:09
Speaker 2: big workload. I don't really see the value in him
35:12
Speaker 2: playing necessarily, so maybe Sam Dar Darry starts alongside Josh Lord.
35:17
Speaker 2: Josh Lord, who's you lose for Tree? You ran through
35:20
Speaker 2: with them? But then do you Scott Barrett didn't play
35:22
Speaker 2: the last two weeks essentially, so does Scott Barrett play.
35:26
Speaker 3: And he's got most of the Super Rugby season off.
35:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he had one last season before having a
35:32
Speaker 2: bit of a break.
35:33
Speaker 3: Potentially. Yeah, I think you'll see do see at seven,
35:37
Speaker 3: maybe Wallace start at six, six or eight lucky again potentially, Look,
35:48
Speaker 3: Jacobson's gone home. Christian Leo where it could be on
35:51
Speaker 3: the bench somewhere he's I saw him he was still
35:55
Speaker 3: at Twickenham with that team. So yeah, I think it'll
36:00
Speaker 3: be wholesale changes and that will probably make for it'll
36:05
Speaker 3: be challenging because there won't be established combinations and any
36:08
Speaker 3: time you make but that vast number of changes, you
36:13
Speaker 3: tend to get a dip in performance. We saw it.
36:16
Speaker 3: The last time we really saw it was in Hamilton
36:18
Speaker 3: in the third Test against France.
36:20
Speaker 2: Is there a risk, yeah, if they changed too much
36:22
Speaker 2: that it could all become a little bit shambollic.
36:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, potentially, But you have to give these guys s
36:29
Speaker 3: game time. And because of the way that the season's
36:32
Speaker 3: panned out. This is the only real chance Razor has
36:36
Speaker 3: to do it, isn't it?
36:37
Speaker 2: Is there any chance that they put Ruben Love into.
36:39
Speaker 3: Ten not to start. He might come in there in
36:42
Speaker 3: the back end of the match, but I think Mackenzie
36:45
Speaker 3: starts at ten and Ruben at full back.
36:47
Speaker 2: Could he have him at ten and Mackenzie at fullback?
36:49
Speaker 3: You could, but I just can't see it. They haven't
36:53
Speaker 3: played him at all at ten, not even at the
36:55
Speaker 3: back end of a match, so that to me suggests
36:58
Speaker 3: a lack of faith despite all the public messaging. I
37:00
Speaker 3: just can't see them throwing him in to start at ten.
37:03
Speaker 3: But it could be wrong.
37:05
Speaker 2: It feels like, yeah, it's hard to know how to
37:08
Speaker 2: feels like this is a bronze middle match now for
37:10
Speaker 2: the All Blacks. Feels like a World Cup. Funnily enough
37:13
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen when they lost to England in the semi
37:15
Speaker 2: final then had to play Wales for the bronze before
37:18
Speaker 2: going home. It feels like this week's a bronze middle
37:20
Speaker 2: match when the Grand Slam's not on the line, but
37:24
Speaker 2: you still need to get a win out of it.
37:25
Speaker 2: Chance to bring in some players for some game time
37:30
Speaker 2: to finish the year and they need to keep the
37:33
Speaker 2: standards or make the standards high this week or else
37:35
Speaker 2: it could be a very very long summer for this
37:39
Speaker 2: All Blacks team.
37:40
Speaker 3: Here we travel by train today from London to Cardiff.
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Speaker 3: Is quite a long old trip, but the All Blacks
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Speaker 3: are busting and I suspect that would have been a
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Speaker 3: fairly some somber old trip and it will be difficult
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Speaker 3: to pick themselves up after blowing the Grand Slam, having
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Speaker 3: such a deflating loss to England at Twickenham, so making
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Speaker 3: those changes and bringing in some fresh legs as one
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Speaker 3: way to pretend shoually counted that right.
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Speaker 2: Quick wrap up of some of the other games across
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Speaker 2: the weekend, we saw Ireland's comfortably account for Australia, who
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Speaker 2: were in the match for a little bit but then
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Speaker 2: faded pretty badly late and proceeding speaking of late fades,
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Speaker 2: Scotland from twenty one the up as we're recording this
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Speaker 2: podcast done and have lost thirty three twenty four to
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Speaker 2: Argentina rather stagorc seeds in the Arabian rig studio that
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Speaker 2: have been playing out while we've been recording this, and
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Speaker 2: South Africa against Italy was a bizarre old match. At
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Speaker 2: times we had Franco Moster recarded for a tackle that
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Speaker 2: did not appear to be recard for mere look shouldered
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Speaker 2: to chest if anything. And again more issues with the
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Speaker 2: TMO and the interference there. And these autumn games where
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Speaker 2: the referees seem to have just decided to lose the
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Speaker 2: plot again. Feels like we're back to twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Seems like they cleaned up a little bit earlier in
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Speaker 2: the year, they have now just gone backwards. I don't
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Speaker 2: know why the foul player review officer can't shady fully
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Speaker 2: car full redcard. Excuse me, but enough on that. Yes,
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Speaker 2: Africa it's too good forly in the end. And Wales
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Speaker 2: the all black Sneks opponent beating Japan. So what stood
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Speaker 2: out from those games for you, Lamb.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's touch on Wales because that's relevant, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: They very nearly lost to Japan at home and Cardiff,
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Speaker 3: and that pretty much sums up where the Welsh are
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Speaker 3: at at the moments. They they kicked a penalty, didn't
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Speaker 3: they basically on full time to win it. And that
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Speaker 3: was a real topsy turvy match, Japan scoring Whales scoring.
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Speaker 3: So I guess that just puts in context where they
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Speaker 3: are at and the expectations around the All Blacks this week.
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Speaker 3: Also just to note, the All Blacks fifteen completed the
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Speaker 3: unbeaten tour forty five twenty one over Uruguay, So a
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Speaker 3: successful tour there for Jamie Joseph Side. I think it's
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Speaker 3: a good bounce back win for the Irish, wasn't it.
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Speaker 3: France struggled against Fiji and so afgot that was very
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Speaker 3: much their second string team. But to again for a
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Speaker 3: second week in a row overcome a red cards with
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Speaker 3: in this occasion your second string team really does speak
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Speaker 3: to their depth, their character and I think just how
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Speaker 3: far ahead they are at the moment of everyone it is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's two years after a World Cup
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Speaker 2: and things can change, but there's no doubt they're the
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Speaker 2: best team in the world right now, and I think
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Speaker 2: there's a bit of distance between them and maybe England. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and a lot of things can change over two years,
40:51
Speaker 2: you know. The All Blacks and twenty seventeen began to
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Speaker 2: go backwards a little bit two years out from a
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Speaker 2: World Cup set. I've hit of that junction now where
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Speaker 2: things started to go backwards a little bit for the
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Speaker 2: All Blacks, but it's hard to see them having a
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Speaker 2: drop off enough, you know, ahead of the World Cup.
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Speaker 2: I think they'll go in his favorites again two years
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Speaker 2: out from the next event.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to see that changing, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: It is Scotland's tough old evening for them.
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Speaker 3: It's a really bad loss for Scotland. Twenty one kneel
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Speaker 3: up after what happened last week. They really needed to
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Speaker 3: respond and just say hey, we can take yourself and scalp.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's a bit about us. We can finish,
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Speaker 3: we can close out a match and I've done a
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Speaker 3: complete opposite.
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Speaker 2: Well, when you came in, I was like Argentine's having
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Speaker 2: one of those days. You know, one of those times
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Speaker 2: where you know the performance of Argentina are capable of
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Speaker 2: when they're at their very best, but you also know
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Speaker 2: when they're at there worse they can turn in games
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Speaker 2: and basically just not turn up. Well. Appeared like it
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Speaker 2: was one of those days. Then Switch gets flipped, some
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Speaker 2: good impact from the bench and they go off and
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Speaker 2: Scotland at Murrayfield and now gregat town's end. I think
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Speaker 2: they got Tonga next weekend to wrap up this window.
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Speaker 2: It's now been a less than fruitful window for Gregor
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Speaker 2: from what it could have been, you know, ten minutes
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Speaker 2: from full time last week.
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Speaker 3: For all their promise and enterprise, and they've got some
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Speaker 3: great talents in that squad, they don't have a lot
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Speaker 3: to show for it. Argentina go on to play England,
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Speaker 3: that twick and them, so that'll.
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Speaker 2: Be interesting, fascinating.
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Speaker 3: Metionis Sunday, Sunday our local time, yes, Monday morning, New
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Speaker 3: Zealand time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it will be fascinating, as will the week here
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Speaker 2: in Cardiff.
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Speaker 3: Watch them flooding from the valas.
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Speaker 2: Again Nat Liam maybe for critiques on that Welsh extent.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to Excess Solutions as always for supporting this podcast,
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Speaker 2: larst and Bars English, you're putting it together. Will be
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Speaker 2: back once the All Blacks team to play Wales is
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Speaker 2: revealed later in the week. How close did we get
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Speaker 2: with those predictions? We will see you then, every try,
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Speaker 2: try ten sixty second, every tackle tackle get up again.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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