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Bittisode 012: Weird History of Christmas · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to an airwave media podcast by everybody, and
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  Speaker 1: not your history class, Bettysodes little bets of history that
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  Speaker 1: History Harlotte and reader of books. So my voice till
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  Speaker 1: pay an editor to make this just a better quality
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  Speaker 1: like podcast, because it's it's tough when it's just me
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  Speaker 1: recording and my pajamas curled up under the covers in
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  Speaker 1: my bedroom. Listen, it's fucking Baltic here. It's so cold
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  Speaker 1: and there's like ice warnings here. Whether yeah, there's an
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  Speaker 1: orange weather warning, which is super fun and not at
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  Speaker 1: all an inconvenience to the point where I actually have
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  Speaker 1: to stay like an hour away in the town where
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  Speaker 1: I work, so I actually have to stay there overnight
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  Speaker 1: on Friday because otherwise it's like a stupid o'clock morning
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  Speaker 1: bus I have to get and there's no guarantee that
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  Speaker 1: I'll get to the bus or that the bus will
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  Speaker 1: make it through at that time in the morning because
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  Speaker 1: of all the frost and ice and snow. So that's
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  Speaker 1: that's a super fun thing. Luckily, Luckily, I think I
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  Speaker 1: might have that covered. I might have somebody to stay.
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  Speaker 1: And if I don't, I'm just gonna have to fork
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  Speaker 1: out for our hotel room, even though I spent oh
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  Speaker 1: my money buying Christmas presents for my kids. But it's fine,
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  Speaker 1: it's fine, every thing's fine. Don't panic. But I know
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  Speaker 1: what you're thinking. You're thinking, what that jibber jabber? In
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  Speaker 1: fact me, in fact you I will. But first we've
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  Speaker 1: got to get our source on. Our sources are Christmas
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  Speaker 1: and the Crosshairs two thousand years of denouncing and defending
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  Speaker 1: the world's most celebrated holiday by Jerry Bowler Dickens and
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  Speaker 1: the Construction of Christmas by Jeffrey Rowell. The Lords of
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  Speaker 1: miss Rule, the Puritans were on Christmas by Chris Durstan,
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  Speaker 1: and You'll tied Outlaws by Rachel Schnepper. Are U singing
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  Speaker 1: comfortably good? Then let's begin. So let's talk about the
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  Speaker 1: origins of Christmas. Yeah, so here's the fun fact as
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  Speaker 1: context as a beginning baseline, Christmas is not a Biblical holiday, holiday, holiday, holiday.
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  Speaker 1: Huh see what happened there. Yeah, so Christmas is not
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  Speaker 1: a Biblical holidays, it's not. It is a public holiday,
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  Speaker 1: it is a federal holiday. It is a secular holiday,
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  Speaker 1: but it is not a Biblical holiday. We need to
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  Speaker 1: keep that in mind before we go into the rest
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  Speaker 1: of this because Paul, you can read the Bible cover
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  Speaker 1: to cover, you can work through those leafy pages, but no,
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  Speaker 1: nowhere in the Bible does it state that Christmas is
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  Speaker 1: a Biblical holy day. Know that it should be. So
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  Speaker 1: that should give some context to why things kind of
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  Speaker 1: went the way they did for a while. So, to
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  Speaker 1: start off, Christmas wasn't always celebrated on December twenty fifth.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't until like three hundred years after Jesus died
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  Speaker 1: that Pope Julius, I think it was Julius was all like, now,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's when Christmas is going to be this exact time,
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  Speaker 1: which just so happens to coincide with this pagan festival
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  Speaker 1: of Saturnalia. So like the Birth of Christ was celebrated
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  Speaker 1: as like January sixth, March twenty ninth, and June sometime
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  Speaker 1: like it was kind of all over the shop, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, And then Pope Julius is like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is it's gonna be this day. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: this day. So usually when something like that happens, when
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  Speaker 1: you sort of take like a particular festival or a
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  Speaker 1: particular tradition and you try and take it over, you
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  Speaker 1: usually adopt bits of said tradition, kind of like how
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  Speaker 1: Easter which is, you know, the first Sunday after the
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  Speaker 1: third film in after the winter solstice. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a reason why it's that weirdly specific time,
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  Speaker 1: and it's all about eggs and baby birds and fertility
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  Speaker 1: and all that kind of bunnies, baby birds, Why did
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  Speaker 1: I go baby birds? Eggs fucking eggs right? And bunnies
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  Speaker 1: because they're always shagging in springtime, you know. Back to
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  Speaker 1: Christmas going off on a ramble, don't take coughs out
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  Speaker 1: before you start recording it. It usually doesn't end well.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of the sort of pagan festivities they
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  Speaker 1: just kind of carried on, sort of intertwining with sort
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  Speaker 1: of Christian stuff. So prior to the Victorian era, like
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  Speaker 1: the celebration of Christmas was very much sort of Christian Roman, Catholic,
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  Speaker 1: Anglican like Lutheran even it was very It was very
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  Speaker 1: much a purely religious celebration. And like through the medieval
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  Speaker 1: era there was just some just fucking weird ass shit
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  Speaker 1: going on. So there's this one one feast which I
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  Speaker 1: think we should bring back because it's fucking hilarious, and
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  Speaker 1: it's called the Feast of the Ass. No what you're
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  Speaker 1: thinking of, it's the other one. No, no, the other
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  Speaker 1: other one. Yeah, okay, So so the Feast of the
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  Speaker 1: Donkey basically celebrated old donkey related Bibles stuff. No, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not fucking joking. It was all about like the donkey
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  Speaker 1: leading like the Holy Family and the flight to Egypt
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  Speaker 1: and getting them into like Bethlehem and all this other malarchy.
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  Speaker 1: So all good donkey Bible stuff. This was a celebration
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  Speaker 1: of it. It sort of was like detrivative of the
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  Speaker 1: Feast of Phills, and it was like really really popular
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  Speaker 1: in France, and it became like a massive, massive thing
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  Speaker 1: from like the twelfth century up until I think the fifteenth.
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  Speaker 1: And so what would happen is they would get a donkey,
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  Speaker 1: like an actual donkey. He would be or she like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the gender of the donkey involved. Actually
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  Speaker 1: that would that's presumptive of me. So the donkey has
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  Speaker 1: led in this procession through the center of the wee
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  Speaker 1: French town all the way to the local church like
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  Speaker 1: where like an actual religious service is happening. So they
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  Speaker 1: bring the donkey ed and they bring the donkey up
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  Speaker 1: to the altar and he's ch it. They they the
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  Speaker 1: donkey is there for the entirety of this service, and
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  Speaker 1: everyone in the church responds to the donkey. So every
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  Speaker 1: time the donkey is like everyone in the church, the
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  Speaker 1: entire congregation, he haws in response. Ha he ha, like
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  Speaker 1: like regardless, like they could be doing prayers of the
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  Speaker 1: faithful or I don't know, letters of Saint Paul to
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  Speaker 1: the Corinthians who are just they never wrote back. It
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  Speaker 1: just feels mean at this point. But yeah, so they
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  Speaker 1: the donkey will be celebrated and then after the donkey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, leads the fucking church like the mass run
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  Speaker 1: by a donkey effectively, I mean, the priest is there,
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  Speaker 1: but he's he's not really relevant, And these massive fucking
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  Speaker 1: parties would follow and they would be so wild and
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  Speaker 1: they be such debauchery that it got to the point
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  Speaker 1: that like the Feast of the Ass was just banned,
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  Speaker 1: like in villages and towns all over France because they
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  Speaker 1: were like, we we can't handle this. Fuck this where
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  Speaker 1: game is Soldier is not you can't be doing this.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's too much. It's just too much. So that
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  Speaker 1: gets banned and that's gone, and then you've got the
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  Speaker 1: Lords of miss Rule. Now this one ran I think
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  Speaker 1: up until I want to say Henry the Eighth. So
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  Speaker 1: the Lord of Misrule was like basically a jester or
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  Speaker 1: a clown or you know, comedy gold They would be
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  Speaker 1: in charge. So they would become mayor or ruler or
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, mayor mayor seems incorrect, but they would
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  Speaker 1: become like in charge of the city or the town
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  Speaker 1: or wherever they were, and they would just be the
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  Speaker 1: boss and everybody they would just have to follow their rules,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like wife swap, but with a jester instead
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  Speaker 1: of a wife, and with you know, an entire town
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  Speaker 1: full of citizens instead of just a family. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like that, and they would basically make them do all
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  Speaker 1: sort of weird funny shit. But like maybe putting a
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  Speaker 1: gesture in charge is not the best idea because this
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  Speaker 1: is gonna surprise you. But shit got a of hand
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  Speaker 1: real fast. And here's the thing. If you think that
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  Speaker 1: putting a gesture in charge was bad, imagine putting a
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  Speaker 1: three year old in charge. Oh no, that fucking happened
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  Speaker 1: like so, so you know how so far all of
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  Speaker 1: these have involved social inversion, where it's like flipping the
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  Speaker 1: sort of rose of society on its head. This was
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  Speaker 1: very much part of the Saturnalia festival. Sometimes a donkey
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  Speaker 1: will leader congregation, another time a gestable run a fucking town,
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  Speaker 1: or a child will become a boy bishop and be
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  Speaker 1: the head of the church for the day like they
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  Speaker 1: elected them. They would elect a child, always a boy
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  Speaker 1: obviously because you know, misogyny. But at one point they
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  Speaker 1: were electing like fucking toddlers. Now they can be control
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  Speaker 1: their own sort of bill movements, lit alone emotions, and
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  Speaker 1: you think this is who we want running the show.
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  Speaker 1: It itless to say this did not usually end well,
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  Speaker 1: although much less debauchery, which I think is I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know if that's a good thing or not. So
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  Speaker 1: like the Lord of misruland things like that, that was
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  Speaker 1: banned by Henry the eighth. It was like no, not
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  Speaker 1: keen on this, and like Mary had brought it back
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  Speaker 1: in Mary the first and then when Elizabeth came in
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  Speaker 1: she banded again. She was like fucking naw, that's gone.
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  Speaker 1: The Anglicans man super not into it. But like back
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  Speaker 1: in the day, Christmas wasn't just mumble things under your
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  Speaker 1: breath and cold buildings and also ate a giant piece
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  Speaker 1: of meat. It was It was a big fucking festival.
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  Speaker 1: It was a party. It was like drinking and feasting
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  Speaker 1: and merriment and boozing and probably fucking, and it was
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  Speaker 1: it was Mardi Grat right. It was just raucous and
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  Speaker 1: raunchy and debauchery and just a good fucking time for
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  Speaker 1: those who wanted to have it. And because it was
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  Speaker 1: such a massive celebration like it became very looked down
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  Speaker 1: upon by the Church and by Christians and by Puritans. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: so the real war and Christmas was started by the
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  Speaker 1: Puritans because they're the ones who fucking banned it. Christians
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  Speaker 1: banned Christmas. Okay, so you've got on one hand Oliver Cromwell,
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  Speaker 1: who doesn't he isn't fun is just not in his vocabulary.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, banning Christmas is probably the least bad thing
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  Speaker 1: he did, just saying. But still not cool, Oliver. Not cool.
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  Speaker 1: So when the Puritans take over and you know, they've
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  Speaker 1: cut off Charles the first head, and everything is just
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  Speaker 1: you know, unpleasant. You know, there's no singing because that's bad.
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  Speaker 1: There's no merriment because that's also bad, because it's a sin.
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  Speaker 1: Smiling is probably a sin. I don't fucking know. They
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  Speaker 1: don't like anything. Joy is a bad emotion and a
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  Speaker 1: bad feeling. Apparently suffering is the only way to exist,
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  Speaker 1: which kind of sounds a little bit similar to what
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  Speaker 1: some Christian teachings say. But that's neither here nor there.
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  Speaker 1: Ill So, so when Cromwell, you know, takes over, he's like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck Christmas, not not having it. No merriment, no joy,
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  Speaker 1: no fun, no parties, no nothing, none of it. And
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  Speaker 1: and then over across to the colonies, the Puritan's over.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to say, Massachusetts, yes, yes, On the
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  Speaker 1: eleventh of May sixteen fifty nine, the Massachusetts Bay Legislator
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  Speaker 1: just straight up bands Christmas. So yes, both sides. At
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  Speaker 1: the Atlantic, the Christians ban Christmas. They're just like, fucking no,
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  Speaker 1: none of this. We don't like you're feasting you're drinking
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  Speaker 1: your excess, you know, all the stuff that goes with it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's only when King Charles the second, when he
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  Speaker 1: comes back, that he just starts like reinstating the celebrations.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, no, bring back partying, because it's he's the
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  Speaker 1: merry monarch. You know, it's all good. And in America
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't until like post seventeen seventy six when the
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  Speaker 1: US America Northern America, wait, the United States of America
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  Speaker 1: became independent. It was only there that you know, they
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  Speaker 1: really started celebrating Christmas again, and like for a good
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  Speaker 1: number of years you could be found like five shillings
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  Speaker 1: for celebrating Christmas. Caught celebrating Christmas, they'd find your ass.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, back to the UK, by the time we
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  Speaker 1: get to the seventeen hundreds, the Christmas carolers are I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna say a rowdy bunch. I mean when I say rowdy,
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  Speaker 1: I mean aggressive. So what they would do is they
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  Speaker 1: would just show up at your house and they would
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  Speaker 1: demand it, kind of like with sailing or mummering and
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  Speaker 1: things like that, kind of from that sort of vein.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, the thing is when it came to
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  Speaker 1: like the Halloween version of it. When they would show
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  Speaker 1: up and they would demand things, you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: more of a oh, we better protect ourselves from the
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  Speaker 1: spooky things and give you the shit, more of a
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  Speaker 1: kind of understanding where is this? Was it tat more
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  Speaker 1: aggressive because they would threaten to break into your house,
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  Speaker 1: steal your shit, beat you up, kill you, assault you
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  Speaker 1: in many different ways, you know, you know if they
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  Speaker 1: didn't get what they wanted. And what would happen as
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  Speaker 1: well is that because some conniving groups, because there's always some,
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  Speaker 1: is they would literally use like Carol singing as a ruse,
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  Speaker 1: so they could you know, just rob people, steal over
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  Speaker 1: shit and kill them because you know, multitasking. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: in the eighteenth century Carol singers men. They were all men,
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  Speaker 1: usually we bit tipsy at the very least. They would
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  Speaker 1: go from house to house, you know, threatening destroying their property,
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  Speaker 1: like breaking all their shit, and also singing songs demanding stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So like you know the Christmas Carl It's like give
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  Speaker 1: us some figgy purning and we won't stop until we
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  Speaker 1: get some. Yeah. That that's because they're like feed us
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  Speaker 1: or we will wreck your shit, which is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more more aggressive than one would like. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they would basically destroy stuff because if you didn't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: give them what the fuck they wanted. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: the times they would just break your door down, come inside,
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  Speaker 1: steal your shit, and just go on their merry way.
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  Speaker 1: And this was such a huge problem that the church
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  Speaker 1: actually intervenes. So you have ministers doing sermons and they're
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  Speaker 1: complaining that, you know, caroling leads to like violence and
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  Speaker 1: wantonness and chambering, they mean shagging, fucking screwing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because if you're singing songs and drinking whine and you're
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  Speaker 1: just gonna fuck around, hopefully consensually, because if it's consentual,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay. If it's not, then you deserve to have
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  Speaker 1: your gills put through a mincer. Anyway, by the time
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  Speaker 1: we get to the Victorians, this sort of Christmas resurgence
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  Speaker 1: takes place, and most of it is due to fucking
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  Speaker 1: Charles Dickens, who is just an awful human being, but
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  Speaker 1: damn did he help Christmas. So basically change the concept
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  Speaker 1: of Christmas from being this drunken party for dudes into
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: being more evolved around like family and friends and all
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  Speaker 1: that kind of goodness. Goodness, goldness, and Charles Dickens did that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why like a lot of Christmas stuff is
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  Speaker 1: associated with snow, because Charles Dickens grew up in Victorian England,
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  Speaker 1: which is you know, cold as fucking snowy in the winter,
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  Speaker 1: and he like reminisced about it, and you know, there
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  Speaker 1: we go, and that is where the whole Christmas ey
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  Speaker 1: sort of turn about happened and where it went from
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  Speaker 1: like a big partying, crazy raucous rave for dudes, it
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  Speaker 1: became more like family based and all that kind of jazz.
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  Speaker 1: Like the Christmas tree itself was like a German tradition
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  Speaker 1: and it was brought in by like Queen Victoria and
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  Speaker 1: Albert and it, you know, and so obviously if they're
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  Speaker 1: doing it, everyone else is gonna do it too, because
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: you know, they were the celebrities of their day really
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  Speaker 1: when you think about it. And so, yes, that is
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  Speaker 1: it's just not happening. So that's a fun thing. Trying
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  Speaker 1: not to cough so badly my voice is really going on.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Anything else I want to say, Ah, go watch Letter Kenny,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: if you don't watch it already. It's my current comfort thing.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: They're nice in short episodes, and they're easy to consume,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: especially in this cold deck weather. So I will chat
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: to you next week, which is I'm so proud of
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: next week's episode because I've been working on a verse
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: so low. I'm so proud. I will chat to you then.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Arius au Revoir of Widos M My Friends bay By