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The Kenny Report | 3 June · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to another cracking week.
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Speaker 2: On the Kenny Report, Immigration Minister Andrew Giles caught out
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Speaker 2: spinning nonsense.
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Speaker 1: How is this bloke still in the job?
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton says, we have the laws to combat anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism and hate speech, but governments just aren't using them.
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Speaker 1: I'll give you an insight into how anti.
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Speaker 2: Semitism impacts Australian Jewish communities and why we all need
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Speaker 2: to stand up against it. Charry Markson will join me
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Speaker 2: live on that. Also that song I've had some fun
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Speaker 2: with and I know you love it, Wait till you
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Speaker 2: hear what Ray Hadley and the Robinson brothers have done
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Speaker 2: with it. Plus the Trump conviction, Gemma and Caroline and
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Speaker 2: media with Sophie. Let's get cracking. Look this Immigration Minister
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Speaker 2: Andrew Giles. He's in a world of pain. He's gone
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Speaker 2: from bad to worse and now to calamitous.
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Speaker 1: He should have been sacked already and he.
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Speaker 2: Stuck bumbles on, but his time might be just about
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Speaker 2: up after the drone issue blew up in his face today.
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Speaker 1: Now you know the background on all this.
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Speaker 2: Giles stuffed up the high court case and then prematurely
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Speaker 2: released one hundred and fifty foreign criminals into the community
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Speaker 2: without proper VISA conditions, all with surveillance.
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Speaker 1: Since then, at least twenty eight of.
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Speaker 2: These criminals have been charged with fresh offenses and other
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Speaker 2: Australians have been hurt, and the Minister hasn't done much
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Speaker 2: except tell us that he's trying hard. And then there's
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Speaker 2: been this Direction ninety nine debacle, a direction put in
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Speaker 2: place by Giles with the specific intention of making it
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Speaker 2: harder for Australia to deport foreign criminals. That was the
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Speaker 2: specific intention of the new direction, to do New Zealand
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Speaker 2: a favor by making it easier for foreign criminals to
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Speaker 2: stay here rather than be deported. Well, apart from doing
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Speaker 2: the Kiwisa favor, it's allowed at least other convicted criminals
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Speaker 2: who aren't Australian citizens to stay here rather than be
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Speaker 2: deported to a whole range of countries. And today, after
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Speaker 2: weeks of controversy, the Minister claims he'es onto the problem
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Speaker 2: because he's.
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Speaker 1: Recently canceled thirty visas.
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Speaker 2: How pathetic, He's been caught out by the opposition and
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Speaker 2: only now in response to public outrage says he tried
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Speaker 2: to stop foreign criminals staying here, negligent, hopeless, But it
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Speaker 2: gets worse with this bloke, it got a lot worse
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Speaker 2: for him today. Remember this is what Giles told Kieren
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Speaker 2: Gilbert here on Sky News last week.
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Speaker 3: There is a quarter of a billion dollars that we've
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Speaker 3: invested in supporting our law enforcement agencies to enforce that.
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Speaker 3: And that's enable things like using drones to keep track
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Speaker 3: of these people.
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Speaker 2: Using drones to keep track of these foreign criminals, let
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Speaker 2: loosen our community. Now, you didn't have to be Ironstein
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Speaker 2: to work out that was dross. I mean, here's what
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Speaker 2: I said straight afterwards the same day, drones. Really, we
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Speaker 2: have drones twenty four to seven above the murderers and
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Speaker 2: the sex offenders.
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Speaker 1: I hardly think, so give us a break, minister, Hey,
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Speaker 1: but what would I know?
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Speaker 2: I mean, after all, the Prime Minister today suggested that
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Speaker 2: Sky News isn't to be trusted.
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Speaker 4: Sky News occasionally occasionally don't get things right. I know
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Speaker 4: they'll come usually it's tonight.
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Speaker 2: But of course, Prime Minister, apparently we'd do better to
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Speaker 2: listen to you and your minister's ministers like Giles and
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Speaker 2: his drone claim and his colleague backing him up yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Drones do form part of the operation that's involved in
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Speaker 5: monitoring theirse offenders, but it's been more being done in
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Speaker 5: an operational sense.
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Speaker 1: He give back.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, using drones to keep an eye on the criminals.
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Speaker 2: The government had read from detention absolute dross because there
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Speaker 2: are no drones. They're not using drones, and Giles had
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Speaker 2: to admit that today.
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Speaker 6: Last week, in an interview on Sky News, I did
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Speaker 6: state that Operation Agis was using drones. I relied on
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Speaker 6: information provided by my department at the time, which.
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Speaker 2: Has since which has since been clarify clarified. This bloke
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Speaker 2: has scarified himself. He's been spinning nonsense, telling porkies. His
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Speaker 2: office confirmed the lie. He had a misministerial colleague back
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Speaker 2: up his lie in an interview. This minister said they
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Speaker 2: were using drones and.
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Speaker 3: That's enabled things like using drones to keep track.
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Speaker 1: Of these people. But they're not. And ALBNIZI has the
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Speaker 1: gall to say, this.
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Speaker 4: Guy is a ca occasionally occasionally don't get things right.
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Speaker 4: I know they'll come usually it's tonight.
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Speaker 2: Well, Prime Minister, I for one, de picked this one right.
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Speaker 2: You and your ministers could do with a bit of
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Speaker 2: common sense yourselves and a bit of transparency, because you
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Speaker 2: and your government have been caught with your drones down.
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Speaker 2: This mob lectures us, but they don't know what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: They're letting foreign criminals stay here instead of deporting them
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Speaker 2: to the countries in which they are citizens. That's terrific
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Speaker 2: for the criminals, But how good do you reckon it
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Speaker 2: is for lawa abiding Australians. I reckon most law abiding
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Speaker 2: Australians would like to deport Andrew Giles instead. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister lets this bloke drone on, if you'll pardon the pun,
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Speaker 2: and I expect he's going to crash to ground pretty soon.
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Speaker 1: As talks continue about a.
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Speaker 2: Possible ceasefire in Gaza, the war drags on. More than
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty Israeli hostages are still being held
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Speaker 2: alive or dead, and Hummas continues to target Israeli soldiers
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Speaker 2: and civilians, mainly civilians, while Israel targets Hummus terrorists hiding
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Speaker 2: among civilians in Gaza and in the tunnels below. And
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Speaker 2: while all this goes on, anti Semitism jew hatred is
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Speaker 2: on the rise here in Australia and pro Palestinian protesters
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Speaker 2: anti Israel protesters who are all too often are pro
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Speaker 2: Hummus protesters. Well, they continue to indulge in hate speech.
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Speaker 2: They've chanted intimidating and violent threats against Jewish people. They've
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Speaker 2: celebrated the slaughter of hundreds of innocent Israeli men, women
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Speaker 2: and children.
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Speaker 1: I'm smiling. I'm smiling, and I'm happy. I'm in.
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Speaker 7: That's a day of courage.
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Speaker 1: That's in Sydney, not Ramala.
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Speaker 2: Protesters continue to urge into fada, an armed insurrection against Israel,
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Speaker 2: one that in the past has been conducted through the
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Speaker 2: killing of civilians, including by suicide bombers. Thank you, and
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Speaker 2: they chant from the river to the sea, meaning they
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Speaker 2: chant for the stated Humas goal of eradicating Israel and
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Speaker 2: the annihilation of its people.
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Speaker 8: I sign will be bred.
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Speaker 1: Oi'll be bred.
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Speaker 2: With so much hatred going on, our government leaders and
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Speaker 2: law enforcement authorities are not doing enough. They're not doing
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Speaker 2: anything in fact, to stamp out this hate speech. Well,
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Speaker 2: opposition leader Peter Dutton has stepped in. He says this
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Speaker 2: bile is against the law and more could and should
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Speaker 2: be done immediately.
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Speaker 9: If you look at the chance and the intimidation that's
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Speaker 9: taken place. I don't accept that is not against Australian law,
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Speaker 9: and the fact that the police have been told either
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Speaker 9: by the police ministers or they're taking a lead from
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Speaker 9: what they see through the Prime Minister's commentary or lack
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Speaker 9: of it, that they're just there to maintain the peace.
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Speaker 9: This is just another Middle Eastern you know, frakar and
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Speaker 9: that we don't want to take sides and let's just
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Speaker 9: allow people to protest. That is a complete and utter outrage,
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Speaker 9: and I think most Australians are outraged by the inaction
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Speaker 9: as well. I would have made it very clear to
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Speaker 9: the Australi and Federal Police Commissioner, to the Director General
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Speaker 9: of ASIO, to the police commissioners otherwise that I had
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Speaker 9: zero tolerance for this behavior and conduct and that the
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Speaker 9: police should enforce the law without hesitation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Strong words from Peter Dutton and Liberal Senator Dave Sharma
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Speaker 2: says police need to lay charges. The first step in
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Speaker 2: doing that is at least to test that if the
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Speaker 2: law's found to be wanting here, well, then we can
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Speaker 2: fix the laws. Yeah, this needs action now, but the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister does nothing. In fact, whenever he condemns Andti Semitism,
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Speaker 2: so mentions Islamophobia, which we've not seen in this country.
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Speaker 2: His cites a pretend problem as some way to balance
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Speaker 2: out or even downplay the real hatred being directed at
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Speaker 2: Jewish communities. Look, the real reason Albanz he can't call
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Speaker 2: out the prejudice and the hate speech of the protesters
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Speaker 2: is because for many years, in fact, until he became
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Speaker 2: opposition leader, he was one of them. He ran all
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Speaker 2: the usual pro Palestinian and anti Israeli lions.
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Speaker 4: No doubt there has been provocation in Gaza, but international
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Speaker 4: law requires a proportionate response, and those people who have
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Speaker 4: guns on one side and on the other side has
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Speaker 4: rocks will. Many Israelies continued to demonize all Palestinians as terrorists.
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Speaker 4: Palestinians experiences rallies as occupiers and employers of chief labor
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Speaker 4: in Terigu and Jalers. Meanwhile, the government of Israel continues
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Speaker 4: to allow fundamentalists to build illegal settlements on Palestinian land.
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Speaker 1: In the Grievance.
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Speaker 4: Debate on Monday, I pointed out that it is now
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Speaker 4: more than thirty five years since UN Security Council Resolution
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Speaker 4: two four to two was carried the twenty second of
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Speaker 4: November nineteen sixty seven, calling for Israel to remove its
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Speaker 4: military and its control of the occupied territories. Since that time,
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Speaker 4: the systematic repression of the occupied by the occupiers has
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Speaker 4: been at the core of Middle East politics. The Palestinians
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Speaker 4: must be given their homeland. The occupation of Gaza, the
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Speaker 4: West Bank, and East Jerusalem by the Israelis has outed
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Speaker 4: generations of oppressed people. The creation of the State of
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Speaker 4: Israeli nine forty eight and subsequent events have produced up
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Speaker 4: to three point eight ye and Palestinian refugees today. It
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Speaker 4: is unfortunate that it was Israel that first funded Hamas.
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Speaker 4: Looked at their humiliation which Palestinians were forced to undertake
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Speaker 4: in queuing to try to get across to get work
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Speaker 4: each and every day, the ongoing extreme poverty that people
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Speaker 4: were subjected to.
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Speaker 1: In the lack of rats.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some history there from Anthony alban Is he
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Speaker 2: very much on the pro Palestinian, anti Israeli side, And look,
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Speaker 2: maybe Albineas he has changed his view, maybe he's educated
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Speaker 2: himself on these issues. If so, it's time to show
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Speaker 2: some leadership and stamp out the hate speech. The laws
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Speaker 2: are in place used them. And here's another test for
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. Some of the big publics, the unions,
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Speaker 2: have endorsed a petition teaming up with some of the
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian groups, calling on Australia to ban links to
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Speaker 2: the Israeli military. Now, the petition reads, in part, as
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Speaker 2: public servants whose work is to serve our communities, it is.
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Speaker 1: Our obligation to voice.
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Speaker 2: Our deep concern that you are leading Australia to be
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Speaker 2: complicit in an additional genocide, an additional colonial project, staining
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Speaker 2: this nation with more war crimes, even more than it
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Speaker 2: lays claim to already, and in negligence of the public
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Speaker 2: we serve, these war crimes are again in the service
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Speaker 2: of foreign powers. Now, look, let's put aside the wrongheadedness
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Speaker 2: of this petition. I mean, they seem to be concerned
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Speaker 2: about Australian military technology being used by Israel to target terrorists,
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Speaker 2: but they're not concerned about Australian tax byers AID money
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Speaker 2: being used by hummas to kill civilians. But let's put
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Speaker 2: all those issues to one side. The core point is
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Speaker 2: that it's not the job of public servants to campaign
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Speaker 2: on political issues. As public servants in their private capacity,
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Speaker 2: as voters, they can sign a petition, join a group,
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Speaker 2: knock yourselves out, but this is not on. There should
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Speaker 2: never be a public servants petition for a political issue
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Speaker 2: that's not directly about public servants. A strong government would
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Speaker 2: tell public servants not to sign such a petition and
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Speaker 2: it would send official warning letters to every public servant
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Speaker 2: that signed it.
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Speaker 1: But this is not a strong government, is it. Now.
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Speaker 2: Those comments you just saw by Peter Dutton were made
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Speaker 2: at an event yesterday hosted and organized by my Sky
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Speaker 2: News colleague Shari Markson with Sydney's Jewish community.
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Speaker 1: It was a fun for the organization that.
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Speaker 2: Provides security for Jewish institutions. Now many Australians might not
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Speaker 2: be aware of this, but Jewish schools, Jewish daycare centers,
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Speaker 2: are synagogues and all those sorts of community facilities have
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Speaker 2: armed security. They have done for many, many years as
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Speaker 2: a protection against terrorism and hate crimes. Now, I've seen
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Speaker 2: this around for many years, and sometimes I've wondered if
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Speaker 2: it's entirely necessary. But since October the seventh, of course,
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Speaker 2: the need for this security is absolutely clear. When some
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Speaker 2: extremists in this country are celebrating the slaughter of Jews
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Speaker 2: when they're chanting wears the Jews, or gas the Jews,
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Speaker 2: or f the Jews when there are vile threats and abuse.
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Speaker 2: Then Jewish families and communities tragically need this level of
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Speaker 2: security to protect their children and to give parents some
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Speaker 2: peace of mind. Now, Shari spoke about these difficult times
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Speaker 2: for Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 10: The hatred of our enemies cuts deep. But what cuts
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Speaker 10: the deepest is the silence of our friends who've stood
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Speaker 10: by while we've experienced trauma and shock and betrayal and
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Speaker 10: hurt about how our world has been turned upside down
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Speaker 10: and have inexplicably said nothing. They've stayed silent or shown
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Speaker 10: indifference to how the country we love has condoned and
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Speaker 10: capitulated to Hermas.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Stirring words there, emotional words there from Shari Marks And
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Speaker 2: that event that she organized raised a lot of money
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Speaker 2: for this important cause. It was held at a Jewish
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Speaker 2: school with heavy security itself, of course, and I.
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Speaker 1: Was pleased to be part of the event too.
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Speaker 2: I hosted a panel with former Ambassador to Israel now
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Speaker 2: liberal Senator Dave Sharman and my Sky News colleague Caroline Marcus,
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Speaker 2: who shared with us the trauma of raising a family
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Speaker 2: in this fractuous environment.
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Speaker 11: My children go to preschool and daycare at a school
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Speaker 11: that isn't even a Jewish school, just has, by its
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Speaker 11: nature of what suburb it's in, has a lot of
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Speaker 11: Jewish students. And for the first time after October seven,
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Speaker 11: there was security outside. And I was, at the same
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Speaker 11: time as being grateful, it terrified me that I was
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Speaker 11: sending my children every day to a place where they
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Speaker 11: would need security. That should not happen in Australia. It
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Speaker 11: should never it shouldn't happen in any Jewish school at all,
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Speaker 11: and that happens around the clock. It's shameful.
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Speaker 2: Think about this mother's sending their children to daycare centers
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Speaker 2: and needing to have armed security guards. It's not good
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Speaker 2: enough that Australians are forced to live like this.
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Speaker 1: Australian Jews are.
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Speaker 12: Australians first, and they're part of us, and we need
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Speaker 12: to do all we can to prevent this, stop this hatred,
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Speaker 12: stamp out anti Semitism, and confront and overcome the Islamist
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Speaker 12: extremism that preachers hatred against Jews.
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Speaker 2: Now, many Australians don't see this in their daily lives.
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Speaker 2: I understand that, and maybe they don't also see how
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Speaker 2: Australian Jewish communities are forced to live, or even see
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Speaker 2: the hatred that spread through protests and graffiti and posters
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Speaker 2: as often in the inner city areas or on the
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Speaker 2: university campuses. But all Australians need to know about this
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Speaker 2: and speak out against it, because I'm certain, absolutely certain
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Speaker 2: that most Australians think this is disgraceful, and most Australians
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Speaker 2: would stand firmly with their fellow Australians who happen to
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Speaker 2: be Jewish people who are being intimidated and threatened in
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Speaker 2: this way. Jewish Australians, all Australians need to know where
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Speaker 2: the mainstream stands on this stuff, and if our political
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Speaker 2: leaders won't make it clear, we.
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Speaker 1: Have to find other ways. Now back to alban.
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Speaker 2: Easy and his hopeless immigration minister, I want to have
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Speaker 2: a bit of fun with this.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for the role you've played
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Speaker 1: in this.
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Speaker 2: As you know, I've been focused on how Anthony Albanesi
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Speaker 2: is ducking responsibility for everything. Instead of fronting up and
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Speaker 2: owning or fixing problems, He's been duck shoving.
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Speaker 4: State bail schemes are run by the States.
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Speaker 1: By definition, I've.
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Speaker 4: Been traveling in the car, so I haven't been advised
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Speaker 4: about that. Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia,
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Speaker 4: let alone court processes globally, of which Australia is not
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Speaker 4: a party.
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Speaker 2: Good lord now, and yes, to encapsulate this trait the
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Speaker 2: PM's failure to take responsibility, I started using hit from
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Speaker 2: the nineteen sixties as his new theme song.
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Speaker 1: Now plenty of you have let me know how much
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Speaker 1: you're enjoying this.
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Speaker 2: Song, and a couple of viewers actually buttonholed top rating
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Speaker 2: two GB morning radio host Ray Hadley and told him
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Speaker 2: about it. So Ray played the song on his show
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Speaker 2: on Friday and we had a chat about it on air. Now,
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Speaker 2: if you know Ray and his show, and most of
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Speaker 2: you would, he often plays fantastic satirical numbers written and
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Speaker 2: performed for the show by the brilliant Robertson Brothers. They
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Speaker 2: take well known songs and rework them with some political commentary.
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Speaker 2: So Ray and the Robinson brothers, well, they swapped notes
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Speaker 2: over the weekend and this morning they came up with this.
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Speaker 8: Please dold garble read no, please don't tell Alpall that
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Speaker 8: Andrew Charles is a drip. No, don't please don't say
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Speaker 8: he wants the criminals to stay because just situ a
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Speaker 8: dunsand okay, our ball says she is not not sponsible
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Speaker 8: shut nuts, not sponsorble.
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Speaker 13: She can't answer for.
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Speaker 1: Don't think he gets up you.
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Speaker 8: He thinks is knock nuts, not sponsible shut nuts, not
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Speaker 8: sponsible show Ball can't safe.
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Speaker 1: Boy, just superb stuff.
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Speaker 2: Please I tell our boy the criminals can stay because
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Speaker 2: just Cinder Adding says it's okay, brilliant work from Ray
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Speaker 2: Hadley and especially the Robinson brothers. Of course it's the
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Speaker 2: same theme song now for a government that's completely lost
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Speaker 2: its way, and it's an earworm. I'm not gonna be
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Speaker 2: able to shake. Let's go to camera now and catch
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Speaker 2: up with the Shadow Resources Minister, Susan MacDonald. Thanks for
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Speaker 2: joining us, Susan. How long can the hapless Immigration Minister
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Speaker 2: Andrew Gilestone his job?
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Speaker 14: It's extraordinary, isn't it that somebody just so hopeless, so incompetent,
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Speaker 14: can be continue to be protected by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 14: I assume it's because he's his numbers man. But it's
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Speaker 14: now got to the point that not only do Australians
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Speaker 14: not feel safe. They are actually not safe. The last
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Speaker 14: time I was on You showed some shocking footage of
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Speaker 14: an elderly lady who had been tied up and beaten
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Speaker 14: in her own home as a direct result of the
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Speaker 14: Immigrations minister failure to take action and then to blame
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Speaker 14: it on his department. I mean, this is a far
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Speaker 14: cry from the government that two years ago said they
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Speaker 14: would take responsibility, they would take action, they would do this,
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Speaker 14: they would be transparent, and we've had, in fact the
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Speaker 14: absolute obvious of the opposite of all all of that.
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Speaker 14: Chris So, I don't know how much longer he can survive,
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Speaker 14: but he can't go fast enough for Australian safety.
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Speaker 2: Well, the number one reason he should go is because
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Speaker 2: he's handled the portfolio too terribly and this has led
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Speaker 2: to criminals being out in the community and criminals staying
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Speaker 2: in the country and therefore Australian's exposed to risk and.
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Speaker 1: Actual physical damage.
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Speaker 2: Of course he should go because of that, but surely
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Speaker 2: his own ministers will, his own colleagues will want him
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Speaker 2: gone now because this absolute bunker he put out there
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Speaker 2: on Thursday about drones, they've been forced to repeat that
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Speaker 2: lie Murray what as recently as yesterday, and now they're
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Speaker 2: all exposed as running a line that was absolute clap trap.
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Speaker 14: That's appalling, isn't it. And it must make it almost
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Speaker 14: impossible for his colleagues to think that they would ever
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Speaker 14: go and defend him again. And that's what we'll start
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Speaker 14: to see is leaks and more division in the cabinet
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Speaker 14: as the cabinet themselves must be ready to start telling
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Speaker 14: the Prime he just can't stay. He can't stay. There
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Speaker 14: has to be a change.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you, as a shadow Resources Minister,
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Speaker 2: for your comments on what Australia has done with Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: Ukraine wants more coal from us.
24:13
Speaker 2: We sent them coal a couple of years ago. For
24:16
Speaker 2: a year they've been asking for more coal. They desperately
24:19
Speaker 2: need power in war torn Ukraine. Australia is one of
24:23
Speaker 2: the largest coal exporting nations in the world, has.
24:27
Speaker 1: Refused to send more coal. We're sending cash instead. What's
24:31
Speaker 1: going on here?
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Speaker 14: So it was last December that Ukraine sent a message
24:37
Speaker 14: saying please send coal. Not only did we not do that,
24:41
Speaker 14: now May we're sending money now. I'm not sure if
24:45
Speaker 14: Albanezy thinks that they could take it in cash and
24:48
Speaker 14: burn it to stay warm, to keep their businesses going,
24:52
Speaker 14: to keep energy running through the transmission lines. It's bizarre,
24:57
Speaker 14: isn't it? Because they want coal, we have successfully provided
25:02
Speaker 14: it before, and it's a complete failure for us to
25:06
Speaker 14: be a supporter of this country that is in its
25:09
Speaker 14: darkest out. They are at war. They want coal to
25:13
Speaker 14: keep the lights on. And what's Australia doing looking the
25:17
Speaker 14: other way, sending cash to support their energy needs. I'm
25:21
Speaker 14: not sure what they think they're going to do, what
25:23
Speaker 14: Albo thinks that they're going to do. It's much like
25:27
Speaker 14: much of this labor government's energy policy. They don't understand
25:31
Speaker 14: the basics, they don't understand physics, and they certainly don't
25:35
Speaker 14: understand the urgency and desperation for the Ukrainian people who
25:39
Speaker 14: just want some practical help from this government and they're
25:43
Speaker 14: not getting it.
25:43
Speaker 1: It's just pathetic.
25:45
Speaker 2: It's because the alb and Easy labor government doesn't like
25:48
Speaker 2: coal and they don't mind Ukraine is getting bad and
25:51
Speaker 2: invaded by a country that doesn't care about its carbon
25:54
Speaker 2: footprint in Russia. Thanks for joining us, Susan, I appreciate it.
25:57
Speaker 2: Susan McDonald there the Shadow Resources to Live from Camber.
26:00
Speaker 2: I'm going to get to a break on the other side,
26:02
Speaker 2: Gematon Uni and Caroline Derusso will join me.
26:04
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the minimum.
26:05
Speaker 2: Ray wage set to rise by three and a half percent,
26:09
Speaker 2: and also you won't believe how much Bill shortened speech
26:13
Speaker 2: writer is being paid by you. The center of gravity
26:23
Speaker 2: for political common sense shifted further west over the weekend
26:27
Speaker 2: because our next panel both join us are from Perth.
26:30
Speaker 2: That is Gematon Uni from GT Communications and Royal Report
26:34
Speaker 2: hosts Caroline Derusso. Great to speak to both of you
26:37
Speaker 2: over there. I'll come to a Perth issue in just
26:40
Speaker 2: a moment, but first up, I wanted to start on
26:42
Speaker 2: a national issue and let's see it from you first, Gemma,
26:45
Speaker 2: as a small business owner three point seventy five percent,
26:49
Speaker 2: so getting close to four percent. There's an increase in
26:52
Speaker 2: the minimum wage.
26:55
Speaker 1: Is small business going to be able to afford this?
27:00
Speaker 15: It depends on the sector that small business is in,
27:02
Speaker 15: of course, So I mean minimum wage increases I never
27:05
Speaker 15: really have a problem with because you're talking about literally
27:07
Speaker 15: people who are typically living hand to mouth. The issue
27:12
Speaker 15: is actually not about not as much about the increase
27:14
Speaker 15: in minimum wage. In my view, the increase the issue
27:18
Speaker 15: rather is about failing productivity in this country, rising cost
27:22
Speaker 15: of doing business in this country, which is just getting
27:25
Speaker 15: And this is not me being partisan. This is me
27:28
Speaker 15: reflecting facts and data that is readily available to anyone
27:31
Speaker 15: who wishes to be bipartisan on such an important issue.
27:34
Speaker 15: Productivity is stagnant. We have more red tape, green tape,
27:38
Speaker 15: yellow tape, whatever tape you want, we've got it here
27:40
Speaker 15: in Australia. It is becoming even more a restrictive place.
27:43
Speaker 1: To do business.
27:44
Speaker 15: So I suspect that this will hurt people in hospitality
27:47
Speaker 15: most in terms of small business owners. And the problem
27:50
Speaker 15: here is that the government says one thing and does
27:53
Speaker 15: a one to eighty degree in the opposite direction when
27:57
Speaker 15: it comes to addressing the economic issues of which it
28:01
Speaker 15: has created.
28:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's always a difficult one because you're,
28:06
Speaker 2: especially in a high inflation environment. You want people on
28:09
Speaker 2: low wages to get a decent pay rise. They need
28:12
Speaker 2: it right, but you don't want it to over tip
28:15
Speaker 2: the balance and actually mean that more people are tossed
28:18
Speaker 2: out of work. But sensible economists have suggested that this
28:23
Speaker 2: one may well have struck the balance, right, let's certainly hope.
28:26
Speaker 2: So I want to come to you, Caroline on the
28:31
Speaker 2: other political issue of the day, and that is Andrew Giles.
28:35
Speaker 2: This drone's nonsense that sounded like nonsense the moment came
28:38
Speaker 2: out of his mouth, they stuck with for a few days,
28:41
Speaker 2: is now exposed as absolute dross.
28:43
Speaker 1: Yet this bloke is still in his job. How does
28:45
Speaker 1: this happen?
28:48
Speaker 16: I'm not entirely sure. And the thing is we have
28:51
Speaker 16: spoken about this Paddler for I reckon about the last
28:53
Speaker 16: three weeks Chris badly, and every time Padler total padline,
28:58
Speaker 16: every time we speak about him and his incompetence, it
29:04
Speaker 16: just gets worse and worse. And this is just the
29:06
Speaker 16: latest barnacle on the record of this minister. Yeah, it
29:12
Speaker 16: sounded a bit unusual to me, but then some of
29:15
Speaker 16: his colleagues in the ministry were trotting it out over
29:18
Speaker 16: the weekend. Minister Murray what trotted it out on insiders?
29:21
Speaker 16: And then it turns out it was absolute rubbish And
29:24
Speaker 16: it doesn't matter because apparently he's trying, so that makes
29:28
Speaker 16: it all okay. Well, you know what is actually not okay?
29:31
Speaker 16: And this here has just become this cumulative issue of
29:36
Speaker 16: just total incompetence. And like I said, we've talked about
29:39
Speaker 16: this many times. When is this bloke going to be
29:42
Speaker 16: tapped on the shoulder and benched because he does not
29:45
Speaker 16: deserve to pay a grade?
29:46
Speaker 1: He is hilarious here, he is droning on last week.
29:51
Speaker 3: There is a quarter of the billion dollars that we've
29:53
Speaker 3: invested in supporting our law enforcement agencies to enforce that,
29:57
Speaker 3: and that's enabled things like using runnings to keep track
30:01
Speaker 3: of these people.
30:02
Speaker 2: But bar not happening, Absolutely not happening, Jemma, he tell us.
30:07
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, the main problem here is.
30:09
Speaker 2: How this guy has completely failed to manage his portfolio
30:13
Speaker 2: and that's led to exposing Australians to real danger from
30:16
Speaker 2: serious criminals and all the rest of it. But surely
30:19
Speaker 2: when he's just spouting absolute nonsense that his colleagues then
30:23
Speaker 2: have to defend, surely he's then lost the trust of everybody.
30:28
Speaker 1: Well, this speaks Obviously.
30:30
Speaker 15: This is a tremendous example and a pertinent example of
30:35
Speaker 15: why communities have falling and very low levels of trust
30:39
Speaker 15: in their elected officials, because the rest of us have
30:41
Speaker 15: to front up and cop the consequences of our behavior
30:44
Speaker 15: as and when it occurs, the rest of us know.
30:46
Speaker 1: What that's like.
30:47
Speaker 15: It's actually a value that we like to teach our
30:49
Speaker 15: children and our teenagers. You do something, there are consequences, choice, consequences, gravity,
30:55
Speaker 15: all of that kind of stuff. But here you've got
30:57
Speaker 15: this bloke who is on my diamonds, and may I
31:01
Speaker 15: remind the government and the opposition and please the Greens.
31:05
Speaker 15: You live to serve us. You are public servants, you
31:07
Speaker 15: are paid for by us. You do not you know,
31:11
Speaker 15: this isn't a flight of fancy to drive your ideological agenda.
31:14
Speaker 15: When you do not cut the mustard, it's time to
31:17
Speaker 15: step aside. So when the government, you know, drops points
31:20
Speaker 15: in the polls and all of that sort of stuff,
31:22
Speaker 15: do they really think the electorate is stupid?
31:25
Speaker 1: Don't really think.
31:25
Speaker 15: The electorate will allow itself to be taken for a mug.
31:29
Speaker 1: I fear they do.
31:30
Speaker 2: I fear they are underestimate the electorate and it'll be
31:33
Speaker 2: to their detriment, that's for sure. I want to go
31:35
Speaker 2: to this West Australian issue. It is a national issue,
31:38
Speaker 2: but it's playing out in the West. On the weekend
31:40
Speaker 2: we had big protests in Perth, Caroline trying to stop
31:43
Speaker 2: the federal government.
31:44
Speaker 1: From actually canceling an export industry. They want to get
31:47
Speaker 1: rid of live sheep exports.
31:51
Speaker 16: Yeah, absolutely, And funnily enough, Murray, what was on Insiders
31:54
Speaker 16: on Sunday talking about trade diversity while he's trying to
31:58
Speaker 16: shut down an industry which contributed one hundred and forty
32:01
Speaker 16: three million to the Western Australian economy this year. So
32:05
Speaker 16: this is an almost exclusively West Australian trade. Ninety eight
32:08
Speaker 16: percent of it comes out of Way And I am
32:10
Speaker 16: so proud of our farmers who at the busiest time
32:13
Speaker 16: of the year because a lot of these operations are
32:15
Speaker 16: mixed operations grains and grain and livestock. These guys are
32:19
Speaker 16: seeding at the moment, three thousand people, seventeen hundred vehicles
32:24
Speaker 16: out in convoy from four locations around Perth straight downs
32:27
Speaker 16: in Georgia's terrace to deliver a message to the federal government. Now, Murray,
32:32
Speaker 16: what keeps pumping out this rubbish about our seventy percent
32:36
Speaker 16: of Western Australians. There's an independent pole. Seventy percent of
32:39
Speaker 16: Western Australians want this rubbistry close, absolute rubbish. Push poll
32:44
Speaker 16: by the RSPCA designed to influence rather than analyze, and
32:49
Speaker 16: he also talks about it. Well, it's only one percent
32:51
Speaker 16: of agriculture. Even if it were only one percent of agriculture,
32:56
Speaker 16: it is all interlinked. And you get rid of this
32:59
Speaker 16: one percent, you affect the entire sheep industry. You affect
33:03
Speaker 16: our trucks, you affect our sharers. So well done to
33:06
Speaker 16: w Wayne. If you haven't signed the petition yet, ww
33:09
Speaker 16: dot keepths sheep dot com dot a U thought slash petition.
33:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff for madness to get rid of export industries.
33:15
Speaker 2: We're nearly out of time, But Jimmy, if I just
33:18
Speaker 2: quickly get your thoughts on Bill Shorten and his speech writer.
33:21
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a bloke who's got an NDI
33:23
Speaker 2: scheme that's just running out of control, wasting money hand
33:28
Speaker 2: over fist. He's got a department with about one hundred
33:31
Speaker 2: people in the communications team, yet he's signed up a
33:35
Speaker 2: speech writer on three over three hundred thousand dollars a
33:38
Speaker 2: year for two years.
33:39
Speaker 1: Her name is Julianne Stewart, and good luck to her.
33:41
Speaker 1: What about taxpayers?
33:45
Speaker 15: Well, look, I mean, you know I I shall feel
33:49
Speaker 15: I should give mister Shorten my card. Chris's that's an
33:54
Speaker 15: extraordinary amount of money for writing speeches. And look, there
33:58
Speaker 15: may be even more to that remais than we know.
34:00
Speaker 15: I'm not sure, but it is about prudent use of
34:05
Speaker 15: tax payers funds. And I refer to my earlier point
34:08
Speaker 15: about the fact that they work for us. Everybody in
34:11
Speaker 15: this country is watching their budgets at the moment. Everybody
34:14
Speaker 15: in this country is watching for signs of recession and
34:17
Speaker 15: the government. And I say it is always the political left.
34:20
Speaker 15: You can get cranky, but it's a fact. I'd love
34:22
Speaker 15: to spend other people's money. I love hearing John Anderson
34:25
Speaker 15: talk about when they came into government for the first time,
34:28
Speaker 15: how they went line, chapter and verse through. I've got
34:30
Speaker 15: to do it federal budgets to literally and eliminate small
34:34
Speaker 15: amounts of money to bring us back to surplus. This
34:37
Speaker 15: to me, is a very very bad look for a
34:39
Speaker 15: government that's already under pressure when it comes to cost
34:41
Speaker 15: of living.
34:42
Speaker 2: Absolutely the old adage you to look after the pennies
34:45
Speaker 2: and the pounds to look after themselves.
34:46
Speaker 1: This sort of waste is just criminal.
34:48
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us from the West, Germontone Uni and
34:51
Speaker 2: Caroline du Asso. We've got to get to a break
34:54
Speaker 2: On the other side of that, I'm going to catch
34:55
Speaker 2: up with another one of my great colleagues, Sharry Markson,
34:58
Speaker 2: to talk about Andy seventh. His in this country will
35:00
Speaker 2: also cross to the States. As Donald Trump vows to
35:04
Speaker 2: fight on the US election, he is going to be
35:11
Speaker 2: even more torrid. Of course, after Donald Trump was found
35:14
Speaker 2: guilty on all thirty four counts of falsifying business records
35:18
Speaker 2: last Friday, He's lashed out at everyone from the judge
35:21
Speaker 2: to the Biden administration.
35:23
Speaker 1: Our whole country is being rigged right now. This was
35:26
Speaker 1: done by the Baby administration.
35:29
Speaker 15: In order to wound or her an opponent, a political opponent.
35:35
Speaker 2: And of course Trump says, and he's absolutely right. I
35:38
Speaker 2: guess that the real test is going to come later
35:40
Speaker 2: this year.
35:42
Speaker 1: This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.
35:45
Speaker 7: That the real verdict is going to be November by
35:49
Speaker 7: the people.
35:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the American voters who are going to have
35:53
Speaker 2: the final say on all of this. I took it
35:56
Speaker 2: up with The Australian's Washington correspondent Adam Crichton.
36:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, certainly that's right. But it's looking like though
36:03
Speaker 5: that he will go into that election as a felon
36:06
Speaker 5: so of course, he was convicted last week, and he's
36:08
Speaker 5: going to appeal, certainly going to appeal, but most experts
36:12
Speaker 5: say that the length of the appeal process is very
36:14
Speaker 5: long and it's almost certain that it won't be concluded
36:17
Speaker 5: by November.
36:18
Speaker 2: Sentencing happens next month. Though, what chances are there? Do
36:22
Speaker 2: you think that he could actually get a jail sentence, Well, look, no.
36:29
Speaker 1: One really knows.
36:30
Speaker 5: Ultimately, it's up to the judge. To the judge Juan Merchon,
36:33
Speaker 5: it's his decision. There is going to be a recommendation
36:36
Speaker 5: for a sentence, which is conducted by New York State
36:39
Speaker 5: Probation Department, so they actually go and interview Donald Trump
36:42
Speaker 5: in advance of the eleventh of July sentencing. But the
36:47
Speaker 5: judge doesn't have to obey that recommendation. And I mean
36:50
Speaker 5: he could give anything from a probationary sentence which is
36:54
Speaker 5: basically zero time in prison, to four years for each count,
36:58
Speaker 5: which is something like one hundred and thirty six years. Look,
37:01
Speaker 5: I mean he's a first time offender. I mean it's
37:04
Speaker 5: white collar. It's kind of a victimless crime, so to speak.
37:07
Speaker 5: So you know, it's it's unlikely I would think that
37:10
Speaker 5: he'd be sentenced to any time in jail, but it
37:12
Speaker 5: certainly can't be ruled out. And of course, after all,
37:14
Speaker 5: you'd you know, this is a judge that are the
37:17
Speaker 5: Trump abused every single day, So so I mean, if
37:21
Speaker 5: the judge himself had any spite, you know, he might
37:24
Speaker 5: put him in prison for a few days at least.
37:27
Speaker 2: There are those who want to say this is a
37:29
Speaker 2: political blow to Donald Trump, that it's a great boost
37:33
Speaker 2: to Joe Biden's re election chances. But isn't there an
37:37
Speaker 2: argument to say this is wind beneath the winds of
37:39
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Doesn't this just fuel his narrative that he's
37:43
Speaker 2: the end of the establishment figure and the establishments out
37:46
Speaker 2: to get him.
37:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, look, I think it's probably still a bit
37:51
Speaker 5: too soon to know what the net effect's going to be.
37:53
Speaker 5: Certainly amongst the base, amongst the diehard Trump supporters, you know,
37:57
Speaker 5: they have poured money into the campaign fifty five million
38:00
Speaker 5: US dollars in just twenty four hours, which is an
38:02
Speaker 5: enormous sum, and thirty percent of that money was completely
38:06
Speaker 5: new donations. In fact, at least that's what the Trump
38:08
Speaker 5: team says. So for the base, yes, look, it's certainly
38:11
Speaker 5: helped him but there are poles that have come out
38:13
Speaker 5: since Thursday that suggests about fifteen percent of independent voters
38:18
Speaker 5: say that they are less likely to vote for Trump now.
38:21
Speaker 5: And the metric that I look at the most is
38:24
Speaker 5: the average of the eight political betting markets, which of
38:27
Speaker 5: course give a suggested probability of who's going to win
38:31
Speaker 5: in November, and they did fall slightly for Trump fifty
38:34
Speaker 5: one percent a chance of winning down to forty eight
38:36
Speaker 5: percent or forty seven percent. That was immediately the day
38:39
Speaker 5: after the verdict. So I think most people out there,
38:42
Speaker 5: you know, who are willing to put their money on
38:43
Speaker 5: the line and think about these things, they think that
38:47
Speaker 5: it's hurt that it's hurt Trump, but I actually share
38:49
Speaker 5: that view. I don't think this is great for the
38:51
Speaker 5: former president.
38:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating stuff.
38:54
Speaker 2: Of course, in the political world, part of the equation
38:56
Speaker 2: is how the Democrats react to this. That's very important,
39:01
Speaker 2: what tone they strike reacting to this as to how
39:03
Speaker 2: it's going to play out politically, And to my mind,
39:06
Speaker 2: that's focused again on the president and whether he's up
39:10
Speaker 2: to the job, because have a look at this is
39:13
Speaker 2: one of his reactions to what's happened to Donald Trump.
39:17
Speaker 13: Can you tell us, sir, Donald Trump prefers himself as
39:20
Speaker 13: a political prisoner and blames you directly. What's your response
39:24
Speaker 13: to that, sir? Do you think the conviction will have
39:29
Speaker 13: an impact on the campaign?
39:32
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear your thoughts, sir. Should he be
39:34
Speaker 1: on the ballot?
39:35
Speaker 8: Sir?
39:38
Speaker 2: Look, there's the leader of the free world giving an
39:40
Speaker 2: awkward smile but having nothing to say about the conviction
39:44
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump.
39:45
Speaker 1: And before I get your thoughts out him.
39:46
Speaker 2: I'll show you another chance where the president got to respond.
39:50
Speaker 1: They had a bit more to say This time they
39:52
Speaker 1: can help.
39:53
Speaker 7: Trump in the election. Are you worried that this could
39:57
Speaker 7: happen to you someday somebody comes up with some charges and.
40:00
Speaker 1: To bring in the court after your term.
40:04
Speaker 4: You're doing it.
40:07
Speaker 7: And when Trump says you're just trying to bruise him,
40:10
Speaker 7: what do you say politically? Politically he thinks you're pooring
40:14
Speaker 7: the streets, behind the scenes, doing all this to help yourself.
40:18
Speaker 4: You know, it's not powerful.
40:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, the leader of the free world, Adam the most
40:24
Speaker 2: powerful man in the world, say he didn't know he
40:26
Speaker 2: was that powerful.
40:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I mean it's very embarrassing.
40:30
Speaker 5: I mean, of course, the Democrats want to make the
40:32
Speaker 5: election a referendum now on whether or not you want
40:34
Speaker 5: a Felon in the White House. That's going to be
40:36
Speaker 5: their campaign for sure, because their own track record is
40:39
Speaker 5: so poor, you know, whether it's the border or inflation.
40:41
Speaker 5: They don't want Americans thinking back to what life was
40:44
Speaker 5: like in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, because objectively it
40:47
Speaker 5: was so much better, and so they need to talk
40:49
Speaker 5: about something else. And so for them, this is a gift,
40:52
Speaker 5: and look, it might just work. It's going to be
40:53
Speaker 5: very close.
40:55
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary times, Adam, extraordinary busy and fascinating times for
40:59
Speaker 2: you to be in the US.
41:00
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for sharing your insights with us. Thanks Chris, Yeah,
41:07
Speaker 1: Adam Crichton.
41:08
Speaker 2: There, I think Joe Biden looked a bit like Sandy
41:10
Speaker 2: Stone in that first clip denied dear idea idea. Now,
41:14
Speaker 2: I'm very happy to welcome to the desk tonight my
41:16
Speaker 2: colleague Sharry Marks, and she'll.
41:18
Speaker 1: Be back at eight o'clock. Eight o'clock of course, Charry,
41:20
Speaker 1: but thanks for dropping by early.
41:22
Speaker 2: Congratulations on the event you hosted yesterday to raise money
41:26
Speaker 2: for the Jewish community in Sydney and focus on anti
41:29
Speaker 2: Semitism in the community. I've talked a lot about it
41:32
Speaker 2: at the top of the program, but what struck me
41:34
Speaker 2: with that big gathering you pulled together yesterday was that
41:38
Speaker 2: these are people who are feeling the pain, feeling the
41:41
Speaker 2: intimidation and the threat, and I think to be fair
41:44
Speaker 2: feeling abandoned by the national government.
41:47
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but they're not defeated. They are determined and optimistic.
41:52
Speaker 10: Definitely. I think there is this sense of determination of
41:56
Speaker 10: strength in the Jewish community. You know, We're not going
41:59
Speaker 10: to put up with this unacceptable level of anti Semitism
42:04
Speaker 10: that's been allowed to fester, allowed by politicians, by university
42:09
Speaker 10: chancellors and vice chancellors, and by law enforcement, to spread
42:14
Speaker 10: like a virus and to just explode into our lives.
42:17
Speaker 10: This isn't how we.
42:19
Speaker 14: Should have to live.
42:20
Speaker 10: And I think what we've seen from the Albanezy government
42:24
Speaker 10: is very weak leadership. Occasionally the Prime Minister will condemn
42:28
Speaker 10: anti semitism, as he did in Josh Fridenberg's documentary, but
42:32
Speaker 10: there hasn't been enough action. There've been virtually no arrests
42:36
Speaker 10: from anyone inciting hate speech, and that sets the tone
42:41
Speaker 10: for the entire country.
42:42
Speaker 2: I'll come back to that in a moment, But tell
42:44
Speaker 2: us about the personal level. I mean, this was a
42:46
Speaker 2: public event and I spoke to a lot of people
42:48
Speaker 2: privately before.
42:50
Speaker 1: During and afterwards.
42:51
Speaker 2: But what's it like inside the Jewish Australian Jewish community
42:55
Speaker 2: And there must be times when tears are shit and
42:57
Speaker 2: people are feeling very fearful.
42:59
Speaker 1: At the moment, I have.
43:00
Speaker 10: To say, Chris, thank you enormously for being part of
43:03
Speaker 10: the event, for hosting a panel, for wearing the Israel
43:06
Speaker 10: pin alongside the Australian one on your suit every night.
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Speaker 10: You know, non Jews who support the fight against antisemitism
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Speaker 10: is critical because it's mainstream Australians who can stand up
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Speaker 10: and say this is unacceptable. We're not going to accept
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Speaker 10: racism against one section of the population.
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Speaker 14: There is a lot of.
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Speaker 10: Anxiety, absolutely, there's a sense of betrayal by our leadership
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Speaker 10: that this has been allowed to spread unchecked. There's fear
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Speaker 10: for our children, for their lives, for future generations. I
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Speaker 10: think there's particularly acute trauma, not just for Holocaust survivors,
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Speaker 10: but then the generations that follow them, their children and grandchildren.
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Speaker 10: There's a lot of concern that what we're seeing, you know,
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Speaker 10: targeting of businesses just because they're owned by Jews, targeting
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Speaker 10: of people just because they're wearing clothing or jewelry that
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Speaker 10: identifies them as a Jew, that this is rising at
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Speaker 10: an unacceptable level. It's got nothing to do with Israel.
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Speaker 10: It's just about the religion and there is a huge
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Speaker 10: amount of anxiety and concern about that.
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Speaker 2: All right as an event organized by Sharry Markson, so
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Speaker 2: obviously there had to be some news come out of it.
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Speaker 2: You interviewed Peter Dutton and he made very clear that
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Speaker 2: the laws already exist, that people could be arrested, that
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Speaker 2: law enforcement authorities could be doing this.
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Speaker 1: Here's some of what Peter Dutton said.
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Speaker 9: If you look at the chance and the intimidation that's
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Speaker 9: taken place, I don't accept that that is not against
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Speaker 9: Australian law.
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Speaker 1: Government should act.
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Speaker 10: Very strong comments from Peter Dutton. He spoke at length
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Speaker 10: about this. I'm going to play a bit more on
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Speaker 10: my show at eight pm. But his point of view
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Speaker 10: is that the laws against hate speech do exist. That
44:54
Speaker 10: he says there's a case not just for the protesters
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Speaker 10: at the Opera House on October the ninth, but also
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Speaker 10: for the activists the University campuses. He says we have seen,
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Speaker 10: in his view, incitement of hate speech. Dave Sharma, the
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Speaker 10: former Australian ambassador to Israel and Liberal senator, he backed
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Speaker 10: him up and said we need to use the laws
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Speaker 10: available to us. Both of them said, look, if there
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Speaker 10: are concerns about elements of the laws, then that should
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Speaker 10: be tested. You don't just not use laws in case
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Speaker 10: they're unconstitutional, in case they fail, use them. And they
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Speaker 10: had this sense that actually police do want to.
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Speaker 2: Enforce the law and let the courts decide and if
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Speaker 2: the laws don't work, then revisit them.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, Sharry, I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Congratulations again on the event yesterday and we look forward
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Speaker 2: to seeing you at eight o'clock. Thank you so, Sharry
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Speaker 2: Marks And there she's back with Shary tonight at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 1: We better go to a break.
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Speaker 2: On the other side of that, are going to catch up,
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Speaker 2: as ever with Sophie Elsworth on media issues, including the
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Speaker 2: extraordiny amount of money the ABC spending advertising itself.
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Speaker 1: No time to waste, so let's go to Melbourne and
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Speaker 1: catch up with.
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Speaker 2: Sophie Osworth, media guru with The Australian. Thanks for joining
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Speaker 2: us Sophie this yarn Channel nine.
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Speaker 1: They're in a world of pain.
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Speaker 2: Of course, share price is down low, but they've had
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Speaker 2: all this controversy over their former news director and now
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Speaker 2: James Packer, who no longer has anything to do with nine,
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Speaker 2: having a go at the chairman former treasurer of Peter Costello.
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Speaker 1: Is there any merit, Is there anything.
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Speaker 2: To support is his swipe at Costello or does it
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Speaker 2: seem to be gratuitous?
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Speaker 17: Well, look, Chris, he did have a go at mister Costello,
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Speaker 17: as you would have seen on the front page of
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Speaker 17: The Australian today and basically said under his tenure it
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Speaker 17: has not been good for shareholders. Now, their share price
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Speaker 17: at nine did close at a dollar forty four today
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Speaker 17: on Friday. It was the lowest it's been in the
46:54
Speaker 17: three years since CEO Mike Sneezeby has been in charge.
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Speaker 17: So nine not only have their internal issues with staff
47:02
Speaker 17: and allegations of sexual harassment, but they've also got problems
47:05
Speaker 17: within their board and their management levels. And James Packer
47:10
Speaker 17: was not holding back here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah he certainly had a crack, but yeah, the question
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Speaker 2: is what has got to do with him anymore?
47:16
Speaker 1: I guess let's get.
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Speaker 2: Onto the ABC and Laura Tingle. That's still creating a
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Speaker 2: lot of pain, understandably for the ABC. And you've revealed
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Speaker 2: that she was due to turn up at the local
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Speaker 2: Canberra ABC headquarters to mix and mingle with people and
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Speaker 2: get their feedback for the board because she's on the
47:34
Speaker 2: board as the staff rep. But she had to pull
47:36
Speaker 2: out of it because she's become too controversial herself.
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Speaker 17: Well, this was very bad timing. She was arranged to
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Speaker 17: go to the ABC Canberra bureau and speak to reporters
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Speaker 17: given that she's the staff elected board member Chris but
47:52
Speaker 17: this was called off at the last minute for obvious reasons.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she was under a lot.
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Speaker 17: Of pressure last week after those pretty outrageous comments that
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Speaker 17: she made that drew a lot of attention not only
48:04
Speaker 17: from outside the ABC but within it as well, and
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Speaker 17: I think it has done Laura Tingle some harm. So
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Speaker 17: this is still playing out and I think people won't
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Speaker 17: forget this quickly that she did call Australia a racist
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Speaker 17: country and attacked Peter.
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Speaker 2: Dutton and she's not upholding ABC editorial standards and she's
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Speaker 2: on the board. The whole thing seems completely untenable. If
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Speaker 2: there's going to be an ABC staff rep on the board,
48:28
Speaker 2: they've got to be kind of impeccable in terms of
48:30
Speaker 2: their adherents.
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Speaker 1: To ABC codes.
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Speaker 2: I would have thought, just finally on the ABC, you've
48:35
Speaker 2: also revealed how much money, how much of our money,
48:38
Speaker 2: they're spending promoting themselves. It seems extraordinary when they don't
48:41
Speaker 2: need to spend us sense because they own all these
48:43
Speaker 2: TV and radio stations and online out fits.
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Speaker 1: They can just promote themselves. Well, that's right, Chris.
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Speaker 17: They've spent five point two million dollars so far this
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Speaker 17: financial year and advertising more than four million on audience research,
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Speaker 17: which I think they maybe need to spend it a
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Speaker 17: bit more carefully because they don't seem to be catering
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Speaker 17: to their audiences Chris, because they are dwindling in numbers.
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Speaker 17: And tomorrow the radio ratings are out, the third radio
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Speaker 17: ratings of the year, and we'll see what happens there.
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Speaker 17: But their radio ratings and their TV ratings have been
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Speaker 17: falling in recent years.
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Speaker 2: Could be more bad news for them tomorrow. Thanks so much, Sophie,
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Speaker 2: appreciate it. So Fiel's worth there all over it for
49:24
Speaker 2: the Australian as usual, just trying to squeeze in a
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Speaker 2: little bit of your feedback from our discussion about the
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Speaker 2: ABC last week, and one viewer says, sack the lot
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Speaker 2: and to fund the ABC.
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Speaker 1: It's a joke.
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Speaker 2: And another viewer says, this bias always seems to go unpunished.
49:37
Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 2: The bias is endemic because they never challenge it. And
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Speaker 2: one more says the ABC taking sides.
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Speaker 1: Surely not there you go, just a bit of irony
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Speaker 1: to finish it off. Thanks for joining me. I'll be
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Speaker 1: back tomorrow night. Coming up next is Steve Price filling
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Speaker 1: in for Kredlin. Cheers,