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The Unexpected Path from Hollywood to Children's Book Author · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

3:57
Hi,
3:58
my
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name
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is
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Rusty
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Austin.
3:59
I've
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written
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four
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children's
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books.
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Austin
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Bird,
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the
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Pelican,
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Beware
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the
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Grizzly
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Bear,
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the
4:03
Unicorn
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Has
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One
4:04
Horn
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and
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the
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Card
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Is
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Orange.
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They're
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all
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poetry
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books
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for
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kids
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with
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pictures.
4:09
Terrific.
4:09
Thanks,
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Rusty,
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for
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appearing
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on
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the
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Adventures
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in
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the
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Heart
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of
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Children's
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Book
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Authors
4:14
podcast.
4:14
Thanks
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for
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having
4:15
me.
4:16
Before
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we
4:17
jump
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in,
4:17
as
4:18
Rusty's
4:18
mentioned,
4:19
we're
4:19
going
4:19
to
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highlight
4:20
and
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talk
4:21
about
4:21
his
4:22
children's
4:22
book,
4:22
an
4:23
awesome
4:23
Bird
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the
4:24
Pelican.
4:25
And
4:25
I
4:25
look
4:25
forward
4:25
to
4:25
the
4:26
conversation.
4:26
Rusty,
4:27
before
4:27
we
4:28
get
4:28
into
4:28
the
4:28
details
4:29
of
4:29
your
4:29
book,
4:30
I
4:30
want
4:30
to
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let
4:31
the
4:31
audience
4:31
know
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that
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you
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had
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a
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35
4:33
year
4:34
career
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in
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the
4:35
entertainment
4:36
business
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as
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a
4:37
Hollywood
4:38
producer.
4:38
But
4:38
it
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seems
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to
4:39
me
4:39
as
4:39
you
4:40
jumped
4:40
into
4:40
retirement,
4:41
you're
4:41
still
4:42
part
4:42
of
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entertaining
4:43
people.
4:44
Tell
4:44
us
4:45
about
4:45
this,
4:45
this
4:46
whole
4:46
journey
4:46
for
4:47
you.
4:47
Now,
4:47
can
4:47
you
4:47
tell
4:48
us
4:48
what
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it
4:48
feels
4:49
like
4:49
being
4:49
a
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published
4:50
children's
4:51
book
4:51
authority?
4:52
The
4:52
whole
4:52
thing
4:52
started
4:53
I
4:53
grew
4:53
up
4:53
in
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Colorado,
4:54
so
4:55
I
4:55
was
4:55
exposed
4:55
to
4:55
a
4:56
lot
4:56
of
4:56
the
4:56
lifestyle.
4:57
There
4:57
is
4:57
backpacking
4:58
and
4:58
hiking
4:58
and
4:58
outdoors.
4:59
So
4:59
I
4:59
was
5:00
exposed
5:00
to
5:00
a
5:00
lot
5:00
of
5:00
the
5:01
wildlife,
5:01
chipmunks
5:02
and
5:02
deer
5:02
and
5:02
bears
5:03
and
5:03
like
5:03
that.
5:03
And
5:04
that's
5:04
where
5:04
I
5:04
got
5:04
my
5:04
love
5:05
for
5:05
animals.
5:05
And
5:05
then
5:06
along
5:06
about
5:06
1985,
5:07
I
5:08
moved
5:08
to
5:08
Los
5:08
Angeles
5:09
and
5:09
enrolled
5:09
in
5:09
UCLA
5:10
film
5:10
school.
5:10
And
5:11
when
5:11
I
5:11
graduated
5:11
from
5:12
film
5:12
school,
5:12
the
5:13
reality
5:13
TV
5:13
boom
5:14
was
5:14
just
5:14
starting.
5:14
I
5:15
think
5:15
ops
5:15
was
5:16
just
5:16
starting
5:17
out
5:17
and
5:18
Fox
5:18
and
5:18
all
5:18
these
5:18
other
5:19
networks
5:19
because
5:20
when
5:20
I
5:20
first
5:20
started
5:20
film
5:20
school,
5:21
there
5:21
was
5:21
only
5:21
three
5:21
networks.
5:22
And
5:22
when
5:22
I
5:22
ended
5:22
there
5:22
were
5:23
probably
5:23
15.
5:24
And
5:24
so
5:24
I
5:24
just
5:25
got
5:25
on
5:25
that
5:25
reality
5:26
TV
5:26
binge
5:27
and
5:27
wrote
5:27
it
5:27
right
5:27
through
5:28
to
5:28
a
5:28
great
5:28
career.
5:29
Worked
5:29
on
5:30
the
5:30
first
5:30
Survivor
5:31
show,
5:31
which
5:31
was
5:31
the
5:31
first
5:32
reality
5:33
competition
5:33
show
5:34
that
5:34
really
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you
5:35
have
5:35
had
5:35
like
5:35
contestants
5:36
and
5:36
judges
5:37
and
5:37
a
5:37
prize
5:37
at
5:37
the
5:38
end.
5:38
And
5:38
then
5:38
I
5:38
worked
5:38
on
5:39
Natty911
5:39
for
5:40
a
5:40
while,
5:40
which
5:40
was
5:40
a
5:40
lot
5:40
of
5:41
fun
5:41
with
5:41
the
5:41
nannies
5:42
and
5:42
the
5:42
kids.
5:42
And
5:43
then
5:44
I
5:44
wrapped
5:44
up
5:44
my
5:44
career
5:45
on
5:45
16
5:46
seasons
5:46
of
5:46
Hell's
5:47
Kitchen,
5:47
which
5:48
I
5:48
think
5:48
is
5:48
still
5:48
on
5:48
the
5:48
air.
5:49
But
5:49
I
5:49
retired
5:49
like
5:50
2018.
5:50
Then
5:51
what
5:51
brought
5:51
you
5:52
to
5:52
children's
5:53
book
5:53
authorship?
5:54
What
5:54
happened
5:55
was,
5:55
I
5:55
think
5:55
about
5:56
in
5:56
2012
5:56
or
5:57
2014,
5:57
there
5:57
was
5:58
a
5:58
guy
5:58
that
5:58
wrote
5:58
a
5:58
book
5:59
on
5:59
Facebook
5:59
called
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Go
6:00
the
6:00
After
6:00
Sleep
6:01
and
6:01
it
6:01
went
6:01
viral
6:02
and
6:02
sold
6:02
like
6:03
a
6:03
million
6:03
copies
6:03
off
6:04
of
6:04
Facebook.
6:04
And
6:04
so
6:05
I
6:05
got
6:05
on
6:05
Facebook
6:06
account
6:06
and
6:06
started
6:07
writing
6:07
these
6:07
short
6:08
little
6:08
poems
6:08
on
6:08
Facebook
6:09
and
6:09
publishing
6:09
them.
6:10
And
6:10
I
6:10
did
6:11
that
6:11
for
6:11
a
6:11
couple
6:11
years
6:11
and
6:12
my
6:12
friends
6:12
encouraged
6:13
me
6:13
to
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write
6:13
a
6:13
book
6:13
about
6:14
it.
6:14
I
6:14
enlisted
6:15
my
6:15
nephew,
6:16
Graham,
6:16
Graham
6:17
Whittemore,
6:17
to
6:17
do
6:18
the
6:18
pictures
6:18
for
6:18
my
6:18
first
6:18
book,
6:19
Beware
6:19
the
6:19
Grizzly
6:20
Bear.
6:20
And
6:20
he
6:21
did
6:21
all
6:21
the
6:21
pictures,
6:21
believe
6:21
it
6:22
or
6:22
not,
6:22
on
6:22
his
6:22
Commodore
6:23
64,
6:23
which
6:23
was
6:24
an
6:24
ancient
6:24
computer
6:25
that
6:25
he
6:25
probably
6:25
had
6:26
when
6:26
he
6:26
was
6:26
six
6:26
years
6:26
old.
6:27
They
6:27
looked
6:27
pretty
6:28
good,
6:28
though,
6:28
I
6:28
thought.
6:29
And
6:29
I
6:29
put
6:29
those
6:30
into
6:30
a
6:30
book.
6:30
And
6:30
that
6:31
was
6:31
in
6:31
2016,
6:32
2017
6:33
maybe.
6:33
And
6:33
I
6:34
don't
6:34
sell
6:34
that
6:34
many,
6:34
one
6:34
or
6:35
two
6:35
a
6:35
week.
6:35
But
6:35
it
6:35
was
6:36
so
6:36
much
6:36
fun,
6:36
I
6:36
just
6:36
kept
6:37
doing
6:37
it.
6:37
I
6:37
did
6:37
one
6:38
called
6:38
the
6:38
Character's
6:38
Orange,
6:39
which
6:39
is
6:39
all
6:39
about
6:40
different
6:40
kinds
6:40
of
6:40
food.
6:41
The
6:42
kids
6:42
like
6:42
the
6:43
celery
6:43
sticks
6:45
is
6:45
lean
6:46
and
6:46
green,
6:46
but
6:46
put
6:47
some
6:47
raisins
6:47
and
6:48
peanut
6:48
butter
6:48
and
6:48
it's
6:49
green
6:49
and
6:49
mean.
6:50
It
6:50
was
6:50
one
6:50
of
6:51
them,
6:52
those
6:52
kind
6:52
of
6:52
plums.
6:53
And
6:53
then
6:53
he.
6:53
And
6:53
then
6:53
my
6:54
nephew
6:54
did
6:54
a
6:54
picture
6:54
of
6:55
a
6:55
celery
6:55
stick
6:55
for
6:55
me
6:56
on
6:56
the
6:56
Commodore
6:56
64
6:57
list.
6:57
That's
6:57
how
6:57
I
6:57
got
6:58
all
6:58
started.
6:58
And
6:58
then
6:59
when
6:59
I
6:59
retired
7:00
from
7:01
TV
7:01
in
7:02
2018,
7:03
I
7:03
just
7:03
decided
7:03
to
7:04
go
7:04
into
7:04
this
7:04
full
7:04
time.
7:04
And
7:05
it
7:05
takes
7:05
me
7:05
about
7:05
six
7:05
or
7:05
eight
7:06
months
7:06
to
7:06
write
7:06
a
7:06
book
7:06
and
7:07
get
7:07
the
7:07
illustrations
7:07
in
7:08
and
7:08
get
7:08
it
7:08
up
7:09
on
7:09
Amazon
7:10
and
7:10
Barnes
7:10
and
7:10
Noble
7:11
and
7:11
all
7:11
the
7:11
various
7:12
platforms
7:12
that
7:13
do
7:13
print
7:13
on
7:13
demand.
7:13
It
7:14
comes
7:14
up
7:14
to
7:14
about
7:14
one
7:14
a
7:15
year.
7:15
Fantastic.
7:16
When
7:16
you
7:16
got
7:16
into
7:17
this
7:17
children's
7:18
book
7:18
authorship,
7:19
tell
7:19
us
7:20
the
7:20
inspiration,
7:21
because
7:22
is
7:22
an
7:23
awesome
7:23
bird.
7:23
The
7:24
Pelican.
7:24
Is
7:24
that
7:24
your
7:25
fourth
7:25
book?
7:26
That's
7:26
my
7:27
fourth
7:27
children's
7:27
book.
7:28
The
7:28
way
7:28
that
7:28
one
7:28
came
7:28
about
7:29
was
7:29
I
7:29
was
7:29
on
7:29
this
7:30
website
7:31
called
7:31
Donors
7:32
Shoes,
7:32
which
7:32
was
7:32
like
7:32
a
7:33
GoFundMe
7:33
for
7:33
teachers.
7:34
And
7:34
there
7:35
was
7:35
a
7:35
local
7:35
teacher
7:35
here,
7:35
I
7:36
live
7:36
in
7:36
Palm
7:36
Springs.
7:37
We
7:37
had
7:37
a
7:37
local
7:37
teacher
7:38
that
7:38
was
7:38
asking
7:39
for
7:39
money
7:39
to
7:39
buy
7:40
poetry
7:41
books
7:41
for
7:41
her
7:42
sixth
7:42
and
7:42
seventh
7:43
graders.
7:44
And
7:44
so
7:44
I
7:44
contacted
7:45
her
7:45
through
7:45
the
7:45
website
7:45
and
7:46
offered
7:46
to
7:46
come
7:46
in
7:46
and
7:46
read
7:47
my
7:47
latest
7:47
book
7:48
at
7:48
the
7:48
time,
7:48
which
7:48
was
7:48
the
7:48
Unicorn,
7:49
Asmund
7:49
Horn.
7:50
And
7:50
the
7:51
kids
7:51
were
7:51
just
7:51
so
7:51
into
7:52
it.
7:52
I
7:52
thought,
7:52
you
7:52
know
7:53
what?
7:53
Let's
7:53
have
7:53
these
7:53
kids
7:53
do
7:54
the
7:54
illustrations
7:54
for
7:54
the
7:55
next
7:55
book.
7:55
And
7:56
I
7:56
pitched
7:56
it
7:56
to
7:56
her,
7:56
and
7:56
she
7:57
loved
7:57
it.
7:57
So
7:57
they
7:57
would
7:57
work
7:58
on
7:58
it
7:58
every
7:58
Friday
7:59
afternoon
7:59
for
7:59
a
7:59
couple
8:00
hours.
8:00
And
8:00
she
8:00
organized
8:00
the
8:01
whole
8:01
thing.
8:01
And
8:02
I
8:02
ended
8:02
up
8:02
getting,
8:02
I
8:02
don't
8:03
know,
8:03
50
8:03
or
8:03
60
8:04
of
8:04
the
8:04
seventh
8:04
and
8:04
eighth
8:05
graders
8:06
did
8:06
all
8:06
the
8:06
pictures
8:06
for
8:07
the
8:07
book.
8:07
And
8:08
I
8:08
only
8:08
had
8:08
44
8:09
poems,
8:09
so
8:09
I
8:10
had
8:10
to
8:10
choose
8:10
pictures
8:11
for
8:11
poems.
8:12
But
8:12
just
8:12
to
8:12
make
8:12
sure
8:13
every
8:13
kid
8:13
got
8:13
their
8:13
picture
8:14
in
8:14
the
8:14
book,
8:14
I
8:14
went
8:14
ahead
8:14
and
8:15
put
8:15
in
8:15
sections
8:15
of
8:16
this
8:16
picture.
8:16
So
8:16
that's
8:17
how
8:17
that
8:17
one
8:17
came
8:17
about.
8:18
And
8:18
I
8:18
think
8:18
it
8:18
turned
8:18
out
8:19
great.
8:19
Very
8:20
interesting.
8:20
I
8:21
found
8:21
it
8:21
fascinating
8:22
when
8:22
I
8:22
purchased
8:23
the
8:23
book
8:23
And
8:23
I
8:23
looked
8:24
at
8:24
it
8:24
and
8:24
I
8:24
thought,
8:25
wow,
8:25
the
8:26
whole
8:26
journey
8:27
for
8:27
you
8:27
after
8:27
you
8:28
read.
8:29
It's
8:29
interesting
8:30
because
8:30
I
8:30
went
8:31
and
8:31
read
8:31
to
8:31
my
8:32
youngest
8:33
grandson's
8:33
class.
8:34
When
8:34
I
8:34
got
8:35
into
8:35
the
8:35
class,
8:36
they
8:37
were
8:37
a
8:37
little
8:37
older
8:38
than
8:38
my
8:39
actual
8:39
audience.
8:40
They
8:40
were
8:40
about
8:40
a
8:40
year
8:41
or
8:41
two
8:41
older.
8:42
And
8:43
at
8:43
the
8:44
end
8:44
of
8:44
the
8:44
reading,
8:45
the
8:45
teacher
8:46
opened
8:46
up
8:47
the
8:47
floor
8:48
and
8:48
said,
8:49
you
8:49
can
8:49
ask
8:49
Rick
8:50
whatever
8:50
you'd
8:50
like.
8:51
And
8:51
what
8:51
I
8:51
found
8:52
the
8:52
most
8:52
fascinating
8:54
is
8:54
most
8:54
of
8:55
the
8:55
questions
8:55
came
8:56
around
8:56
illustrating
8:58
they
8:58
love
8:58
it.
8:59
Did
8:59
you
8:59
find
8:59
that
9:00
when
9:00
you
9:00
did
9:00
the
9:01
teacher
9:01
open
9:02
up
9:02
the
9:02
floor?
9:02
And
9:03
that's
9:03
another
9:04
interesting
9:04
part
9:04
of
9:04
my
9:04
books
9:05
is
9:05
they
9:05
all
9:05
have
9:05
a
9:05
do
9:05
it
9:05
yourself
9:06
section
9:06
at
9:06
the
9:06
end.
9:07
The
9:07
kids
9:07
that
9:08
read
9:08
it
9:08
can
9:08
draw
9:08
their
9:08
own
9:09
pictures
9:09
or
9:10
write
9:10
their
9:10
own
9:10
poems.
9:10
Parent
9:11
and
9:11
grandparent
9:11
myself.
9:12
And
9:12
I
9:12
was
9:12
surprised
9:13
too,
9:13
when
9:13
I
9:13
went
9:13
to
9:14
the
9:14
class.
9:14
Cause
9:14
those
9:14
were
9:14
all.
9:15
I
9:15
think
9:15
they
9:15
were
9:15
all
9:15
seventh
9:16
and
9:16
eighth
9:16
graders,
9:16
middle
9:17
schoolers.
9:17
And
9:17
my
9:18
books
9:18
are
9:18
really
9:18
aimed
9:19
at
9:19
up
9:19
to
9:19
the
9:19
age
9:19
of
9:20
11,
9:20
maybe,
9:20
but
9:21
they
9:21
were
9:21
totally
9:21
into
9:22
it.
9:22
So
9:22
maybe
9:22
I
9:22
should
9:23
expand
9:23
the
9:23
age.
9:24
I
9:24
don't
9:24
know.
9:25
It's
9:25
quite
9:25
interesting.
9:26
Just
9:26
think
9:26
that
9:26
you
9:27
having
9:27
your
9:27
career
9:28
background
9:28
in
9:28
entertainment,
9:30
I
9:30
was
9:30
talking
9:31
to
9:31
the
9:31
kids
9:32
and
9:32
I
9:32
said,
9:32
you
9:33
know
9:33
what?
9:33
Think
9:34
about
9:34
it
9:34
now,
9:35
the
9:36
different
9:36
venues
9:37
you
9:37
can
9:38
go
9:38
into
9:39
as
9:39
a
9:40
illustrator.
9:40
Because
9:41
it's
9:41
not
9:42
just
9:42
animation,
9:43
like
9:43
people
9:43
think
9:44
of
9:44
just
9:44
Disney,
9:45
but
9:45
it's
9:46
comic.
9:46
Books,
9:47
it's
9:47
video.
9:49
Advertising
9:49
copy.
9:50
And
9:50
there's
9:50
just.
9:51
And
9:51
all
9:51
the
9:51
Internet
9:51
stuff.
9:52
There's
9:52
just
9:52
a
9:53
million
9:53
ways
9:53
to
9:53
do
9:53
it
9:53
now.
9:54
Yeah.
9:54
There's
9:54
so
9:55
much
9:55
bigger
9:55
than
9:55
it
9:55
used
9:55
to
9:55
be.
9:56
Absolutely.
9:57
When
9:57
you
9:57
started
9:58
your
9:58
first
9:59
book,
10:00
and
10:01
I'm
10:01
just
10:01
curious,
10:02
can
10:02
you
10:02
remember
10:03
back
10:03
to
10:03
when
10:04
you
10:04
did
10:04
that
10:04
first
10:05
book?
10:05
And
10:05
what.
10:06
What
10:06
was
10:06
the
10:06
origin
10:07
story
10:07
behind
10:08
it?
10:09
Like
10:09
I
10:09
said,
10:10
the
10:10
origin
10:10
story
10:10
was
10:10
the
10:11
guy
10:11
that
10:11
wrote
10:11
the
10:11
Facebook
10:12
thing
10:12
go
10:13
the
10:13
f
10:13
to
10:13
sleep
10:13
and
10:14
went
10:15
viral.
10:15
And
10:15
so
10:15
that
10:16
this
10:16
would
10:16
inspire
10:16
me
10:16
to
10:17
just
10:17
start
10:17
posting
10:17
little
10:18
poems
10:18
on
10:18
Facebook.
10:19
I
10:19
had
10:19
no
10:20
idea
10:20
at
10:20
the
10:20
time
10:20
I
10:20
was
10:20
going
10:21
to
10:21
make
10:21
a
10:21
book
10:21
or
10:21
anything.
10:21
I
10:22
just
10:22
was
10:22
doing
10:22
it
10:22
for
10:22
fun.
10:23
And
10:23
then
10:24
after
10:24
a
10:24
couple
10:25
years,
10:25
all
10:25
my
10:25
friends
10:26
that
10:26
have
10:26
been
10:26
reading
10:26
them
10:26
said,
10:27
you
10:27
need
10:27
to
10:27
put
10:27
these
10:27
in
10:27
a
10:28
book.
10:28
I
10:29
asked
10:29
around
10:29
for
10:30
an
10:30
illustrator
10:31
because
10:31
I
10:31
knew
10:31
they
10:31
had
10:31
to
10:31
have
10:31
pictures.
10:32
It
10:32
couldn't
10:32
just
10:32
be
10:32
the
10:32
poems.
10:34
And
10:34
that's
10:34
how
10:34
that
10:34
all
10:35
got
10:35
started.
10:35
And
10:36
my
10:36
grandson
10:37
was
10:37
born
10:37
in
10:37
2013.
10:38
I
10:38
used
10:38
to
10:38
read
10:39
to
10:39
him
10:39
a
10:39
lot
10:39
when
10:39
he
10:39
was
10:39
little.
10:40
Nice.
10:40
And
10:40
that
10:40
kind
10:41
of
10:41
inspired
10:41
me
10:41
too.
10:41
Yeah.
10:42
I
10:43
noticed
10:43
on
10:43
your
10:43
website,
10:44
you.
10:44
You
10:44
have
10:45
been
10:45
doing
10:45
your
10:45
website,
10:46
I
10:46
think
10:46
said
10:46
2016.
10:48
Yeah,
10:49
that's.
10:49
I
10:49
think
10:49
that's
10:50
when
10:50
I
10:50
wrote
10:50
before
10:50
the
10:50
Grizzly
10:51
Bear.
10:51
And
10:51
since
10:52
I
10:52
was
10:52
still
10:52
working
10:52
at
10:53
the
10:53
time,
10:53
I
10:53
didn't
10:54
have
10:54
a
10:54
lot
10:54
of
10:55
time
10:55
to
10:56
devote
10:56
to
10:56
the
10:56
books.
10:57
So
10:57
I
10:57
think
10:57
I
10:58
did
10:58
the
10:58
first
10:58
two,
10:58
the
10:58
Grizzly
10:59
Bear
10:59
and
10:59
the
10:59
Unicorn,
10:59
while
10:59
I
11:00
was
11:00
still
11:00
working.
11:00
You've
11:01
been
11:01
at
11:01
it
11:01
for
11:01
a
11:01
while
11:02
now,
11:02
nine
11:02
years.
11:03
When
11:03
you
11:03
first
11:03
started
11:04
in
11:04
this,
11:04
did
11:05
you
11:05
have
11:05
a
11:05
children's
11:06
book
11:06
business
11:06
plan?
11:06
Was
11:07
there
11:07
a.
11:07
No.
11:07
Is
11:08
there
11:08
a
11:08
business
11:08
plan
11:08
behind
11:09
this?
11:09
Not
11:10
at
11:10
all.
11:10
I
11:10
was
11:10
just
11:10
doing
11:11
it
11:11
for
11:11
fun
11:12
and
11:12
to
11:12
entertain
11:13
my
11:13
friends.
11:13
I
11:13
had
11:14
no
11:14
idea
11:15
that
11:15
develop
11:16
into
11:16
what
11:16
it
11:16
has.
11:16
And
11:17
incidentally,
11:17
I've
11:17
also
11:18
written
11:18
some
11:19
adult
11:19
books
11:19
too
11:20
over
11:20
the
11:20
years.
11:20
I
11:21
have
11:21
one,
11:21
it's
11:22
my
11:22
memoir
11:22
of
11:23
growing
11:23
up
11:23
in
11:23
the
11:23
70s.
11:24
And
11:24
then
11:24
I
11:24
have
11:24
another
11:24
one
11:24
that's
11:25
all
11:25
about
11:25
baseball.
11:26
My
11:26
friend
11:27
Scott
11:27
had
11:28
been
11:28
collecting
11:29
baseball
11:29
clippings
11:30
from
11:30
the
11:30
newspaper
11:30
for
11:31
1992
11:32
or
11:32
something.
11:32
Wow.
11:33
He
11:33
kept
11:33
telling
11:33
me
11:34
he
11:34
was
11:34
going
11:34
to
11:34
write
11:34
a
11:34
book.
11:34
So
11:34
I
11:35
finally,
11:35
last
11:35
year
11:35
I
11:35
just
11:36
said,
11:36
just
11:36
send
11:36
me
11:37
everything
11:37
you've
11:37
got
11:38
and
11:38
I'll
11:38
get
11:38
the
11:39
first
11:39
draft
11:39
going
11:40
and
11:40
you
11:40
can
11:40
go
11:40
through
11:41
and
11:41
spice
11:42
it
11:42
up.
11:42
And
11:42
that's
11:42
what
11:42
happened.
11:42
And
11:43
so
11:43
we
11:43
ended
11:44
up
11:44
with
11:44
this
11:44
467
11:45
page
11:45
behemoth.
11:47
Also
11:47
along
11:47
the
11:47
years,
11:47
he
11:48
took
11:48
pictures
11:48
of
11:48
all
11:48
the
11:49
stadiums
11:50
that
11:50
he
11:50
went
11:50
to.
11:51
It's
11:52
just
11:52
like
11:52
stories
11:52
like
11:52
the
11:53
story
11:53
of
11:53
the
11:53
Red
11:53
Sox
11:54
selling
11:54
Babe
11:54
Ruth
11:55
contract
11:55
and
11:55
having
11:55
the
11:56
86
11:56
year
11:56
jinx
11:57
and
11:57
stuff
11:57
like
11:57
that.
11:57
This
11:58
day
11:58
in
11:58
baseball
11:59
kind
11:59
of
11:59
stuff.
11:59
Records
12:00
broken
12:00
and
12:00
rebroken.
12:01
I've
12:01
really
12:01
enjoyed
12:02
doing
12:02
all
12:02
that
12:02
since
12:03
I
12:03
retired.
12:03
So
12:04
that's
12:04
something
12:04
I'll
12:04
get
12:04
going.
12:05
How
12:05
have
12:06
you
12:06
developed
12:06
your
12:07
children's
12:07
book
12:07
business?
12:09
I
12:09
had
12:09
some
12:09
false
12:10
starts.
12:10
I
12:10
tried
12:11
to
12:11
pay
12:11
a
12:13
vanity
12:13
publisher
12:14
$5,000.
12:15
That
12:15
didn't
12:15
work.
12:15
But
12:16
that
12:16
was
12:16
a
12:16
hard
12:16
lesson
12:16
learned.
12:17
And
12:18
now
12:18
I
12:18
have
12:18
a
12:18
publicist
12:19
that
12:20
actually
12:20
is
12:20
the
12:20
guy
12:20
that
12:20
got
12:20
me
12:21
on
12:21
this
12:21
podcast.
12:21
So
12:22
the
12:22
publicist
12:23
seems
12:23
to
12:23
be
12:23
working
12:23
well.
12:23
I've
12:24
been
12:24
selling
12:25
more
12:25
than
12:25
one
12:25
or
12:25
two
12:25
a
12:26
week
12:26
every
12:26
week.
12:27
When
12:27
I
12:27
first
12:27
started
12:28
out,
12:28
I
12:28
was
12:28
looking
12:28
to
12:28
sell
12:29
one
12:29
or
12:29
two
12:29
a
12:29
month.
12:30
And
12:31
the
12:31
on
12:31
demand
12:32
business
12:32
has
12:32
really
12:32
changed
12:33
a
12:33
lot
12:33
in
12:33
the
12:33
last
12:33
four
12:34
or
12:34
five
12:34
years
12:35
because
12:35
it
12:35
used
12:35
to
12:35
be
12:36
everybody
12:36
would
12:36
look
12:36
on
12:37
their
12:37
nose
12:37
at
12:37
you.
12:37
If
12:37
you're,
12:38
oh,
12:38
you're
12:38
self
12:38
published,
12:38
that
12:39
doesn't
12:39
mean
12:39
anything.
12:39
But
12:39
nowadays
12:41
Barnes
12:41
and
12:42
Noble,
12:43
ingramsparks
12:44
everybody.
12:44
Apple
12:44
Book.
12:45
Yeah,
12:45
it's
12:46
huge.
12:46
I
12:47
think
12:47
that's
12:47
just
12:47
a
12:47
function
12:48
of
12:48
the
12:48
Internet
12:48
because
12:49
it's
12:49
the
12:49
great
12:50
equalizer
12:50
of
12:50
everything.
12:51
Really?
12:51
Absolutely.
12:52
It
12:53
gives
12:53
all
12:53
of
12:53
us
12:54
as
12:55
children's
12:55
book
12:55
Authors
12:56
a
12:57
platform
12:58
to
12:58
stick
12:58
at
12:59
it.
12:59
And
12:59
that's
12:59
one
13:00
of
13:00
the
13:00
things
13:00
I've
13:00
done
13:00
on
13:01
this
13:01
show,
13:01
is
13:02
I
13:02
brought
13:02
on
13:04
mostly
13:04
published
13:05
children's
13:05
book
13:06
authors
13:06
because
13:06
I
13:06
want
13:06
to
13:07
motivate
13:07
people,
13:07
but.
13:08
And
13:08
have
13:08
them
13:08
tell
13:08
their
13:09
story
13:09
and
13:09
talk
13:09
about
13:10
their
13:10
book.
13:10
But
13:10
I've
13:11
brought
13:11
on
13:11
a
13:11
book
13:12
formatter.
13:12
I
13:13
brought
13:13
on
13:13
a
13:13
website
13:14
developer.
13:14
And
13:15
my
13:15
intention
13:16
is
13:16
to
13:16
continue
13:17
to
13:17
bring
13:17
on
13:17
those
13:18
type
13:18
of
13:18
people
13:18
so
13:19
that
13:19
someone
13:19
can
13:20
understand
13:21
that
13:21
they
13:21
don't
13:22
have
13:22
to
13:22
go
13:22
to
13:22
a
13:23
vanity
13:23
press
13:23
like
13:24
you
13:24
did.
13:24
Yeah,
13:25
they
13:25
can.
13:27
Live
13:28
and
13:28
learn,
13:28
but.
13:28
He
13:28
does
13:28
it
13:29
differently.
13:29
Right.
13:30
But
13:30
at
13:30
the
13:31
end
13:31
of
13:31
the
13:31
day,
13:32
if
13:32
I
13:32
can
13:32
show
13:32
people
13:33
that,
13:33
you
13:34
know
13:34
what,
13:34
they
13:34
just
13:35
have
13:35
to
13:35
take
13:35
a
13:35
little
13:36
bit
13:36
of
13:36
action
13:37
and
13:37
they
13:37
might
13:38
surprise
13:38
themselves.
13:39
I
13:39
talk
13:39
about
13:40
taking
13:40
on
13:41
the
13:41
general
13:42
manager's
13:43
role.
13:43
And
13:43
then
13:44
hire
13:44
your
13:45
own
13:45
editor.
13:45
Hire
13:46
your
13:46
own
13:46
illustrator.
13:47
That's
13:47
what
13:47
I
13:48
do
13:48
now.
13:48
I
13:48
have.
13:48
I
13:48
hired
13:49
illustrator.
13:49
I
13:49
outsource
13:50
the
13:50
website.
13:51
I
13:51
hired
13:52
a
13:52
publicist.
13:53
That's
13:54
the
13:54
best
13:54
thing
13:54
you
13:54
can
13:54
do
13:54
is
13:55
get
13:55
a
13:55
website
13:55
and
13:55
a
13:55
publicist.
13:56
That's
13:56
been
13:56
my
13:56
most
13:57
successful.
13:58
Terrific.
13:58
Noticed
13:59
you
13:59
have
14:00
right
14:00
now,
14:00
you
14:01
have
14:01
your
14:01
books
14:01
in
14:01
two
14:02
formats.
14:02
You've
14:03
got
14:03
the
14:03
paperback,
14:04
and
14:04
this
14:05
is.
14:05
Yes.
14:05
This
14:05
is
14:05
our
14:06
first
14:06
book,
14:06
the
14:06
Adventures
14:07
of
14:07
Caboose
14:07
the
14:08
Rocky
14:08
Mountain
14:08
Bear.
14:09
I
14:09
love
14:10
it.
14:10
Yeah.
14:10
Thank
14:11
you.
14:11
All
14:11
our
14:12
stories
14:12
take
14:12
place
14:12
in
14:13
the
14:13
Canadian
14:14
Rockies.
14:15
Okay.
14:15
And
14:16
so,
14:16
again,
14:16
it's
14:17
a
14:17
wonderful
14:17
place
14:17
for
14:18
animals.
14:19
Absolutely.
14:20
And
14:20
I've
14:20
got
14:21
five
14:21
grandchildren.
14:21
They've
14:22
all
14:22
chosen
14:23
animals
14:24
that
14:24
live
14:24
in
14:25
the
14:25
Canadian
14:25
Rockies,
14:26
and
14:26
we've
14:27
turned
14:27
them
14:27
all
14:28
into
14:28
characters.
14:29
So
14:29
it's
14:29
a
14:29
lot
14:29
of
14:29
fun.
14:30
Really
14:30
enjoy
14:31
it.
14:31
It's
14:31
a
14:31
lot
14:31
of
14:31
fun
14:31
for
14:32
me,
14:32
too.
14:32
That's
14:33
my
14:33
favorite
14:33
part
14:33
is
14:33
the
14:33
writing.
14:34
And
14:34
I
14:34
really
14:34
want
14:34
to
14:35
outsource
14:35
everything
14:35
else.
14:36
I
14:36
don't
14:36
need
14:36
AI
14:37
to
14:37
write
14:37
the
14:37
book.
14:37
I
14:37
just
14:38
need
14:38
AI
14:38
to
14:38
make
14:38
me
14:38
PDF.
14:39
When
14:39
I
14:39
looked,
14:40
you
14:41
have
14:41
a
14:41
paperback
14:42
and
14:42
you've
14:42
got
14:42
the
14:43
ebook.
14:44
I'm
14:44
curious,
14:45
are
14:45
you
14:45
looking
14:45
at
14:46
doing
14:46
a
14:47
hardcover
14:47
version
14:48
at
14:48
some
14:48
point?
14:49
We're
14:49
working
14:49
on
14:50
hardcovers
14:50
right
14:50
now.
14:51
I
14:51
hope
14:51
to
14:51
have
14:51
those
14:51
out
14:51
in
14:51
the
14:52
next,
14:52
I
14:52
don't
14:52
know,
14:52
six
14:52
or
14:53
eight
14:53
months.
14:54
Okay.
14:54
It's
14:54
a
14:54
bit
14:54
harder
14:55
because
14:55
it's
14:55
a
14:55
bit
14:55
more
14:55
expensive.
14:56
And
14:56
you
14:56
got
14:56
to
14:56
sell
14:57
more.
14:57
Yes,
14:58
you
14:58
got
14:58
to
14:58
sell
14:58
some.
14:59
I
14:59
won't
14:59
say
14:59
more.
15:00
I
15:00
actually
15:00
had
15:01
a
15:01
guest
15:01
on
15:02
from
15:02
Oklahoma,
15:03
Charlotte
15:04
Glaze,
15:05
and
15:05
she
15:05
actually
15:06
put
15:06
me
15:06
onto
15:07
a
15:07
website
15:07
called
15:08
madeinchina.com.
15:10
we
15:11
have
15:11
our
15:11
books
15:12
in
15:12
a
15:12
couple
15:12
of
15:13
bookstores,
15:14
and
15:14
they
15:14
said,
15:15
could
15:16
you
15:16
develop
15:16
a
15:17
plushie?
15:17
And
15:17
I
15:18
thought,
15:18
oh,
15:18
how
15:18
do
15:18
I
15:19
do
15:19
that?
15:19
But
15:19
at
15:20
the
15:20
end
15:20
of
15:20
the
15:20
day,
15:20
I'll
15:21
just
15:21
show
15:21
you
15:21
this.
15:22
I
15:22
know
15:22
our
15:22
listening
15:23
audience
15:23
can't
15:24
see
15:24
it,
15:24
but
15:24
we
15:25
developed
15:25
a
15:25
plushie
15:27
that's
15:27
awesome.
15:27
I
15:27
should
15:28
do
15:28
that.
15:28
Of
15:28
our
15:28
main
15:29
character.
15:30
And
15:30
we
15:31
sell
15:31
it
15:31
at
15:32
retail
15:32
and
15:32
at
15:33
book
15:33
events
15:34
and
15:34
stuff
15:34
like
15:34
that.
15:35
Love
15:35
plushies.
15:35
Yeah,
15:36
they
15:36
do.
15:36
They
15:36
do.
15:37
So
15:37
that's
15:37
what
15:37
we've
15:38
done.
15:38
But
15:39
at
15:39
the
15:39
end
15:39
of
15:40
the
15:40
day,
15:40
it's
15:41
a
15:41
lot
15:41
of
15:41
fun.
15:42
So
15:42
check
15:42
out
15:42
made
15:42
in
15:43
China.com
15:43
because.
15:44
Well,
15:44
I
15:44
definitely
15:45
will.
15:45
Charlotte
15:46
got
15:46
her
15:47
hardcover
15:48
book
15:48
printed
15:49
and
15:49
she
15:50
went
15:50
to
15:50
two
15:50
different
15:50
publishers
15:52
on
15:52
the
15:52
website
15:53
and
15:54
got
15:54
them
15:55
to
15:55
send
15:55
her
15:55
a
15:56
sample.
15:56
Of
15:56
course,
15:57
you
15:57
have
15:57
to
15:57
pay
15:57
for
15:57
the
15:57
sample,
15:58
but
15:59
then
15:59
from
15:59
there
15:59
she
16:00
decided
16:00
who
16:00
to
16:00
use.
16:01
And
16:01
I
16:01
think
16:02
she
16:02
only
16:02
had
16:03
to
16:03
purchase.
16:04
To
16:05
your
16:05
point
16:05
where
16:05
you
16:06
said
16:06
earlier
16:06
she
16:06
still
16:07
had
16:07
to
16:07
purchase
16:07
four
16:08
or
16:08
five
16:08
hundred
16:08
copies,
16:09
but
16:10
the
16:10
cost
16:10
was
16:12
quite
16:12
reasonable.
16:13
I'll
16:13
definitely
16:14
check
16:14
that
16:14
out.
16:15
I
16:15
love
16:15
the
16:15
idea
16:15
of
16:15
a
16:15
plushie,
16:16
too.
16:16
That
16:16
really
16:16
turns
16:17
me
16:17
on.
16:17
The
16:17
biggest
16:18
thing
16:18
I
16:18
will
16:18
tell
16:19
you
16:19
is
16:19
selling
16:20
your
16:20
plushies
16:20
at
16:21
book
16:21
events
16:22
and
16:22
markets
16:22
is
16:23
probably
16:23
the
16:23
best
16:23
way
16:23
to
16:24
go.
16:24
Unless
16:25
you
16:25
have
16:25
a
16:25
retailer
16:26
that
16:26
is
16:27
close
16:28
by
16:28
where
16:29
you
16:29
can
16:29
deliver
16:29
it.
16:30
Because
16:30
the
16:30
cost
16:30
of
16:31
delivery,
16:31
believe
16:31
it
16:32
or
16:32
not,
16:33
can
16:33
get
16:33
pretty
16:34
expensive.
16:34
I
16:35
just
16:35
share
16:35
that
16:35
with
16:35
you.
16:36
You
16:36
have
16:36
actually,
16:37
just
16:37
for
16:38
our
16:38
listening
16:38
audience,
16:39
you
16:39
have
16:40
two
16:40
versions
16:41
of
16:42
an
16:42
awesome
16:42
Bird,
16:43
the
16:43
Pelican.
16:44
So
16:44
you've
16:44
got
16:44
your.
16:45
I'm
16:45
going
16:45
to
16:45
call
16:46
your
16:46
core
16:46
version.
16:47
And
16:48
then
16:48
I
16:48
noticed
16:49
you
16:49
have
16:49
another
16:49
version,
16:50
and
16:50
it's
16:51
called
16:52
An
16:52
Awesome
16:52
Bird,
16:53
the
16:53
Pelican,
16:53
but
16:53
in
16:54
brackets
16:54
it
16:55
says
16:55
Goofy
16:56
Things
16:56
by
16:56
Rusty.
16:57
Talk
16:57
to
16:58
us
16:58
a
16:58
little
16:58
bit
16:58
about
16:58
that
16:59
version
16:59
that
16:59
you've
17:00
got
17:00
on
17:00
Amazon.
17:01
Also
17:02
on
17:02
Amazon,
17:02
they
17:03
give
17:03
you
17:03
a
17:04
option
17:04
to
17:04
do
17:04
a
17:04
series
17:05
of
17:05
books.
17:05
And
17:05
so
17:07
after
17:07
I
17:08
did
17:08
all
17:08
this
17:08
work,
17:08
I
17:09
thought
17:09
I
17:09
should
17:09
really
17:09
do
17:09
a
17:10
series.
17:10
And
17:10
I
17:10
called
17:10
it
17:10
Goofy
17:11
Think
17:11
by
17:11
Rusty.
17:12
And
17:12
so
17:12
when
17:12
the
17:13
second
17:13
edition
17:13
of
17:13
the
17:13
book
17:14
came
17:14
out,
17:14
they
17:14
added
17:14
that
17:15
to
17:15
the
17:15
title.
17:16
All
17:16
my
17:16
books
17:17
were
17:17
part
17:17
of
17:17
that
17:17
series.
17:18
So
17:19
there's
17:19
no
17:19
addition
17:20
to
17:20
that
17:20
book.
17:20
It's
17:21
just.
17:21
You
17:21
just
17:21
change
17:22
the
17:22
title.
17:22
Yeah,
17:23
I
17:23
just
17:23
changed
17:23
the
17:23
title.
17:23
And
17:24
when
17:24
you
17:24
change
17:24
the
17:24
title,
17:24
you
17:25
have
17:25
to
17:25
call
17:25
it
17:25
a
17:25
second
17:25
edition.
17:26
So
17:27
that's
17:27
what
17:27
I
17:27
did.
17:28
And
17:28
the
17:28
only
17:28
reason
17:29
I
17:29
asked
17:29
is
17:29
I
17:29
just
17:30
had
17:30
a
17:30
guest
17:30
on
17:30
Brittany
17:31
Pettish
17:31
episode
17:32
65
17:32
last
17:32
week,
17:33
and
17:33
she
17:34
actually
17:34
has
17:35
written,
17:35
I
17:35
think,
17:35
the
17:36
same
17:36
as
17:36
you,
17:36
four
17:37
books.
17:37
And
17:37
what
17:38
she
17:38
did
17:38
is
17:38
she
17:38
actually
17:39
took
17:39
her
17:39
four
17:40
books
17:41
and
17:41
she
17:41
was
17:42
at
17:42
a
17:42
book
17:42
event
17:43
and
17:43
she
17:43
was
17:43
sitting
17:44
with
17:44
an
17:44
author
17:45
who
17:45
wasn't
17:45
even
17:46
a
17:46
children's
17:46
book
17:46
author,
17:47
but
17:47
he
17:47
said
17:47
you
17:47
know
17:48
what,
17:48
you
17:48
should
17:48
take
17:49
all
17:49
of
17:49
your
17:49
books
17:50
and
17:51
then
17:51
put
17:51
them
17:52
into
17:52
a
17:53
compilation.
17:55
And
17:55
she
17:55
said,
17:55
yeah,
17:56
a
17:56
compilation.
17:57
Why
17:57
should
17:57
I
17:57
do
17:58
that?
17:58
And
17:59
he
17:59
said,
18:00
because
18:01
Amazon
18:02
does
18:02
not
18:03
print
18:03
a
18:03
hard
18:04
copy
18:05
in
18:05
children's
18:06
books.
18:06
What?
18:07
You
18:07
have
18:07
to
18:07
have
18:08
72
18:08
pages
18:09
to
18:09
500
18:10
pages
18:10
for
18:11
Amazon.
18:12
Oh,
18:12
yeah.
18:12
I've
18:13
thought
18:13
about
18:13
doing
18:13
101
18:14
poems,
18:14
which
18:14
would
18:14
easily
18:15
be
18:15
70
18:15
pages.
18:16
Your
18:16
book
18:16
is
18:16
80
18:17
pages.
18:17
You
18:17
could
18:18
actually
18:18
get
18:19
it
18:19
printed
18:19
on
18:19
Amazon
18:20
as
18:21
a
18:21
hard
18:21
copy.
18:22
You
18:22
wouldn't
18:22
have
18:23
to
18:23
outsource
18:24
it
18:24
to
18:25
Made
18:25
in
18:25
China
18:26
or
18:26
ingramsparks.
18:27
You
18:27
could
18:27
just
18:28
publish
18:28
it
18:29
yourself
18:29
through
18:30
Amazon.
18:30
You
18:30
should
18:30
check
18:31
into
18:31
that.
18:31
So
18:31
it's
18:32
72
18:32
pages
18:32
minimum.
18:33
I'll
18:33
have
18:33
to
18:34
check.
18:34
I
18:34
can
18:34
do
18:34
that
18:34
with.
18:35
My
18:35
website
18:35
designer
18:35
probably
18:36
knows
18:36
more
18:36
about
18:36
that
18:36
kind
18:36
of
18:37
stuff
18:37
than
18:37
me,
18:37
so
18:37
I'll
18:37
just
18:38
come
18:38
about
18:38
it.
18:38
Absolutely.
18:40
And
18:40
I
18:40
talk
18:41
about
18:41
traditional
18:42
published,
18:43
self
18:43
published,
18:44
which
18:44
is
18:45
like
18:45
you
18:45
talked
18:46
about
18:46
hybrid
18:47
publishing,
18:48
vanity
18:49
publishing,
18:50
or
18:51
self
18:51
publishing.
18:51
A
18:52
lot
18:52
of
18:52
people,
18:52
you
18:52
self
18:53
publishing,
18:54
where
18:54
they
18:55
actually
18:55
write
18:56
the
18:56
story
18:56
and
18:57
then
18:57
they
18:57
turn
18:57
the
18:57
book
18:58
over
18:58
to
18:59
a
18:59
third
18:59
party
19:00
who
19:00
brings
19:01
their
19:01
book
19:01
to
19:01
life.
19:02
And
19:02
as
19:03
you
19:03
said,
19:03
it
19:03
comes
19:03
at
19:04
a
19:04
cost
19:05
to
19:05
do
19:05
that
19:05
because
19:06
they
19:06
do
19:06
all
19:06
the
19:06
work.
19:07
I
19:07
taught
19:07
myself
19:08
how
19:08
to
19:08
format
19:08
on
19:09
blurb.
19:09
And
19:10
so
19:10
my
19:10
process
19:11
is
19:11
I
19:12
format
19:12
the
19:12
book
19:13
blurb
19:13
and
19:13
then
19:14
I
19:14
buy
19:14
a
19:14
PDF
19:15
from
19:15
blurb
19:15
for
19:16
five
19:16
bucks
19:16
and
19:17
then
19:17
that.
19:17
That
19:17
can
19:17
be
19:18
uploaded
19:18
to
19:18
all
19:18
the
19:18
various
19:19
websites
19:20
covers
19:20
I
19:20
have
19:21
to
19:21
outsource
19:21
because
19:21
I'm
19:21
just
19:22
no
19:22
good
19:22
at
19:22
Photoshop
19:22
at
19:23
all.
19:23
Yeah.
19:23
And
19:24
your
19:24
cover
19:24
on
19:25
your
19:25
Pelican
19:26
book,
19:26
that's
19:26
beautiful.
19:27
Those
19:28
guys
19:28
do
19:28
great
19:28
work.
19:28
Yeah,
19:29
that's
19:29
the
19:29
website
19:29
designer
19:30
that
19:30
does
19:30
that.
19:30
I
19:31
noticed
19:31
you
19:31
went
19:32
the
19:32
indie
19:32
publishing
19:33
route
19:34
and
19:34
set
19:34
up
19:34
your
19:35
own
19:35
publishing
19:36
company
19:36
called
19:37
the
19:37
Rusty
19:37
Publishing
19:38
Company.
19:38
I
19:38
love
19:39
it.
19:39
Your
19:39
first
19:40
book,
19:40
you
19:40
went
19:41
through
19:41
a
19:41
vanity
19:42
press
19:43
now.
19:43
Yes.
19:43
Did
19:44
they
19:44
put
19:44
their
19:45
name
19:45
on
19:45
the
19:46
back
19:46
of
19:46
your
19:46
book?
19:47
It's
19:47
called
19:48
Newman
19:48
Springs.
19:49
And
19:50
it
19:50
really
19:50
was
19:50
just
19:51
a
19:51
waste
19:51
of
19:51
money
19:51
I
19:51
had.
19:52
What,
19:52
what
19:53
they
19:53
really
19:53
do
19:53
is
19:53
they
19:54
don't
19:54
do
19:54
stuff
19:54
to
19:54
sell.
19:55
They
19:55
just
19:55
do
19:55
stuff
19:56
for
19:56
somebody
19:56
that
19:56
wants
19:56
a
19:56
book
19:57
to
19:57
put
19:57
in
19:58
their.
19:58
In
19:58
their
19:58
home
19:58
or
19:58
whatever
19:59
that
19:59
they
19:59
wrote.
20:00
So,
20:00
like
20:01
almost
20:01
just
20:01
a
20:02
one
20:02
off.
20:02
And
20:02
that's
20:03
it.
20:03
Yeah.
20:03
Came
20:04
to
20:04
publishing
20:05
and
20:05
it's
20:06
great
20:06
to
20:06
have
20:06
you
20:06
on
20:06
here.
20:07
You're
20:07
so
20:07
honest
20:08
about
20:08
this
20:08
and
20:09
I
20:09
love
20:09
it
20:09
for
20:10
aspiring
20:10
children's
20:11
book
20:11
authors.
20:12
Rusty's
20:12
sharing
20:13
his
20:13
story
20:14
with
20:14
you,
20:15
so
20:15
there's
20:15
a.
20:15
There's
20:16
definitely
20:16
lessons
20:16
and
20:17
I
20:17
think
20:17
Rusty,
20:18
thank
20:18
you
20:18
for
20:18
sharing
20:18
that.
20:19
I'm
20:19
curious,
20:19
when
20:20
it
20:20
came
20:20
to
20:20
publishing
20:21
your
20:21
children's
20:22
book,
20:22
what
20:22
was
20:23
the
20:23
biggest
20:23
challenge
20:24
or
20:25
frustration
20:26
when
20:26
you
20:26
did
20:27
your
20:27
first
20:27
one.
20:28
The
20:29
COVID
20:29
I
20:30
just
20:30
could
20:30
not
20:30
get
20:31
Amazon
20:31
to
20:31
accept
20:31
my
20:32
cover.
20:33
It
20:33
wanted
20:33
different
20:34
pixel
20:34
sizes
20:35
and
20:35
something
20:36
called
20:36
bleed.
20:36
I
20:36
don't
20:37
know
20:37
what
20:37
it
20:37
all
20:37
meant.
20:38
And
20:38
it
20:38
just
20:38
took
20:39
for
20:39
freaking
20:39
ever.
20:40
And
20:40
a
20:40
job
20:40
that
20:41
should
20:41
have
20:41
taken
20:41
20
20:41
minutes
20:42
took
20:42
me
20:42
four
20:42
days.
20:43
In
20:43
the
20:43
last
20:43
five
20:44
years,
20:44
the
20:44
Excel
20:45
publishing
20:45
market
20:45
has
20:46
just
20:46
exploded
20:46
and
20:47
there's
20:47
no
20:47
stigma
20:48
to
20:48
it
20:48
anymore.
20:48
I
20:48
don't
20:49
think
20:49
that's
20:49
called
20:50
on
20:50
demand
20:50
marketing
20:51
now.
20:51
I
20:51
don't
20:52
know
20:52
what
20:52
your
20:53
experience
20:53
is
20:53
like
20:54
with
20:54
your
20:54
second
20:54
book.
20:55
Like,
20:55
I
20:55
know
20:55
when
20:56
we
20:56
did
20:57
our
20:57
first
20:57
book
20:57
and
20:58
then
20:58
we
20:58
this
20:59
year
20:59
we
20:59
launched
21:00
our
21:00
second
21:00
book
21:00
in
21:00
the
21:01
series
21:02
and
21:02
it's
21:03
interesting
21:04
for
21:04
us
21:05
and
21:05
I'm
21:05
not
21:06
sure
21:06
if
21:06
you
21:06
found
21:06
the
21:06
same
21:07
thing
21:07
is
21:08
that
21:08
we
21:08
went
21:09
out
21:09
and
21:10
the
21:10
most
21:10
expensive
21:11
thing
21:11
for
21:11
us
21:11
was
21:11
the
21:12
illustrator.
21:12
I
21:13
found
21:13
that
21:13
a
21:14
book
21:14
formatter
21:16
tended
21:16
to
21:16
be
21:17
one
21:17
of
21:17
the
21:17
least
21:18
expensive
21:18
things
21:18
to
21:19
do.
21:20
You
21:20
can
21:21
do
21:21
it
21:21
really
21:21
fast
21:21
if
21:21
you
21:21
know
21:22
what
21:22
you're
21:22
doing.
21:22
It
21:22
doesn't
21:22
take
21:23
much
21:23
time.
21:23
So
21:23
that's
21:24
probably
21:24
why
21:24
I
21:24
noticed
21:25
you're
21:26
using
21:26
Print
21:26
on
21:27
Demand
21:27
through
21:27
Amazon,
21:29
Amazon.
21:30
Barnes
21:30
and
21:30
Noble,
21:31
ingramspark.
21:31
And
21:32
there's
21:32
one
21:32
other
21:32
one
21:33
that
21:33
escapes
21:34
me
21:34
right
21:34
now.
21:34
Walmart.com
21:35
is
21:35
my
21:36
other
21:36
one.
21:36
I
21:36
don't
21:36
sell
21:37
very
21:37
many
21:37
through
21:37
Walmart.com,
21:38
but
21:38
I'm
21:38
hoping
21:39
to
21:39
change
21:39
that.
21:40
When
21:40
you
21:40
do
21:40
different
21:41
book
21:41
events
21:41
where
21:41
you
21:42
sell
21:42
copies
21:42
yourself.
21:44
I
21:44
have
21:44
not
21:44
done
21:44
that,
21:44
but
21:45
I
21:45
do
21:46
through
21:47
my
21:47
contact
21:48
in
21:48
the
21:48
middle
21:48
school.
21:48
I've
21:49
been
21:49
doing
21:49
readings
21:49
to
21:50
classes,
21:50
so
21:50
that's
21:51
been
21:51
fun.
21:51
I've
21:52
been
21:52
trying
21:52
to
21:52
get
21:52
in
21:52
at
21:52
the
21:52
local
21:53
Barnes
21:53
and
21:53
Noble,
21:53
but
21:54
they
21:54
only
21:54
do
21:54
one
21:54
every
21:54
three
21:55
or
21:55
four
21:55
months
21:55
and
21:55
I
21:55
haven't
21:56
latched
21:56
onto
21:56
them
21:56
yet.
21:57
Okay.
21:57
But
21:58
I
21:58
would
21:58
gladly
21:58
bring
21:58
a
21:59
hundred
21:59
books
21:59
to
21:59
one
21:59
of
21:59
those
22:00
and
22:00
trying
22:00
to
22:00
sell
22:00
some
22:01
of
22:01
them.
22:01
So
22:02
when
22:02
you
22:02
get
22:02
these
22:02
books
22:03
printed,
22:03
are
22:04
you
22:04
using
22:04
the
22:05
Amazon
22:06
KP
22:07
services?
22:08
I
22:08
use
22:08
Amazon.
22:09
I
22:09
sell
22:09
the
22:09
book
22:10
for
22:10
12.99
22:10
and
22:11
you
22:11
can
22:11
order
22:11
an
22:11
Arthur
22:12
copy
22:12
for
22:12
550,
22:13
I
22:13
think.
22:13
And
22:14
so
22:14
what
22:14
I
22:14
have
22:15
in
22:15
my
22:15
close,
22:15
I
22:15
have
22:16
20
22:17
or
22:17
30
22:17
of
22:17
each
22:17
one.
22:18
So
22:18
you're
22:18
using
22:19
KDP
22:20
for
22:20
your
22:20
author's
22:21
copies?
22:22
Yes.
22:22
You're
22:22
not
22:22
using
22:23
Ingram
22:23
Sparks
22:24
or.
22:24
No.
22:25
KDP
22:25
is
22:25
by
22:26
far
22:26
the
22:26
cheapest.
22:26
And
22:27
I
22:28
guess
22:28
that's
22:28
because
22:28
they
22:29
have
22:29
been
22:29
doing
22:30
it
22:30
for
22:30
so
22:30
long.
22:30
They
22:30
really
22:31
know
22:31
what
22:31
they're
22:31
doing.
22:31
And
22:32
you
22:32
know
22:32
what's
22:32
interesting?
22:33
I'm
22:33
doing
22:33
the
22:34
same
22:34
thing
22:34
as
22:34
you.
22:35
I
22:35
use
22:35
KDP
22:36
for
22:37
our
22:37
author's
22:37
copies
22:38
and
22:38
I've
22:38
always
22:39
found
22:39
the
22:39
quality
22:40
great.
22:41
Yes.
22:41
Have
22:42
you
22:42
found
22:42
it?
22:42
Fine.
22:43
The
22:43
quality's
22:44
good
22:44
and
22:44
the
22:44
turnaround's
22:45
good
22:45
too.
22:45
They
22:45
always
22:45
say
22:45
it's
22:45
going
22:46
to
22:46
take
22:46
five
22:46
or
22:46
six
22:46
weeks,
22:47
but
22:47
I
22:47
generally
22:48
always
22:48
get
22:48
them
22:48
within
22:48
a
22:48
couple
22:48
of
22:49
weeks
22:49
for
22:49
sure.
22:51
And
22:51
I
22:51
also
22:52
noticed
22:52
is
22:54
I
22:54
want
22:54
to
22:54
talk
22:55
a
22:55
little
22:55
bit
22:55
about
22:55
your
22:56
illustrators
22:57
because
22:57
I
22:57
noticed
22:58
you
22:58
have
22:58
multiple
22:59
illustrators.
23:00
Because
23:00
a
23:00
lot
23:00
of
23:00
times
23:01
I
23:01
find
23:01
children's
23:02
book
23:02
authors,
23:03
they
23:03
find
23:03
one
23:04
illustrator
23:05
and
23:05
they
23:05
try
23:05
and
23:06
stick
23:06
with
23:06
that
23:06
illustrator.
23:08
But
23:08
in
23:08
your
23:08
case,
23:08
you
23:09
have
23:09
multiple
23:10
illustrators.
23:10
So
23:11
talk
23:11
to
23:11
us
23:11
about
23:11
that
23:12
story.
23:12
Sure.
23:13
My
23:13
first
23:13
couple
23:13
of
23:14
books
23:14
were
23:14
illustrated
23:15
by
23:15
my
23:15
nephew,
23:15
Graham
23:15
Audemore.
23:16
And
23:16
then
23:16
he
23:17
went
23:17
off
23:17
to
23:17
college
23:18
to
23:18
become
23:18
a
23:18
speech
23:18
pathologist
23:19
like
23:19
Sam.
23:20
And
23:20
then
23:21
my
23:21
third
23:21
book
23:21
was
23:22
done
23:22
by
23:22
his
23:22
brother
23:22
Frank.
23:23
My
23:24
third
23:24
book
23:24
was
23:24
but
23:25
done
23:25
by
23:25
my
23:25
nephew
23:26
Frank.
23:26
His
23:27
was
23:27
a
23:27
little
23:27
different
23:27
because
23:28
when
23:28
Graham
23:28
did
23:29
them,
23:29
he
23:29
did
23:29
them
23:30
on,
23:30
like
23:30
I
23:30
said,
23:30
the
23:30
Commodore
23:31
64.
23:31
So
23:31
he
23:32
sent
23:32
me
23:33
JPEGs
23:33
that
23:33
were
23:33
already
23:34
done
23:34
and
23:34
when
23:34
Frank
23:34
did
23:35
them,
23:35
he
23:35
had
23:35
to
23:35
send
23:35
me
23:36
watercolor.
23:37
So
23:37
I
23:37
had
23:37
to
23:37
scan
23:38
them
23:38
in
23:38
and
23:38
format
23:39
them
23:39
myself.
23:39
But
23:40
I
23:40
actually
23:40
really
23:40
enjoy
23:41
that
23:41
part
23:41
of
23:41
the
23:42
book
23:42
process,
23:42
the
23:42
formatting.
23:43
I
23:43
don't
23:43
think
23:43
I'll
23:43
ever
23:44
answer.
23:45
Like
23:45
I
23:45
said,
23:45
on
23:46
the
23:46
fourth
23:46
book,
23:46
I
23:46
had
23:46
all
23:47
the
23:47
kids
23:47
from
23:47
the
23:47
middle
23:47
school
23:48
do
23:48
the
23:48
pictures.
23:48
And
23:48
some
23:49
of
23:49
those
23:49
kids
23:49
are
23:49
so
23:50
talented.
23:50
Absolutely.
23:51
Deal
23:52
I
23:52
made,
23:52
I
23:52
talked
23:53
to
23:53
the
23:53
Palm
23:54
strange
23:54
golden
23:55
trick
23:55
lawyers
23:55
and
23:55
they
23:55
said,
23:55
no,
23:56
you
23:56
can't
23:56
have
23:56
any
23:56
contracts.
23:57
So
23:58
what
23:58
I
23:58
did
23:58
was
23:58
I
23:58
gave
23:59
each
23:59
kid
23:59
20
23:59
bucks,
23:59
a
24:00
bag
24:00
of
24:00
chips
24:00
and
24:00
a
24:01
free
24:01
book.
24:02
And
24:02
then
24:03
when
24:03
I
24:03
make
24:03
money
24:04
every
24:04
now
24:04
and
24:04
again,
24:04
I'll
24:04
send
24:05
it
24:05
off
24:05
to
24:05
a
24:06
program
24:06
for
24:06
college
24:07
bound
24:07
students.
24:07
So
24:07
I
24:08
donate
24:08
some
24:08
of
24:08
the
24:08
money
24:09
to.
24:09
Oh,
24:10
they're
24:10
making
24:10
my
24:11
house
24:11
terrific
24:12
right
24:13
now.
24:13
You're
24:14
using
24:15
your
24:15
nephew?
24:16
Yes.
24:16
With
24:17
your
24:17
publishing
24:18
company.
24:18
Are
24:19
you
24:19
interested
24:20
in.
24:22
Doing
24:22
more
24:22
children's
24:23
books?
24:24
In
24:24
fact,
24:24
I
24:25
have
24:25
one
24:25
I'm
24:25
working
24:25
on
24:25
right
24:26
now
24:26
called
24:26
the
24:26
Two
24:26
Headed
24:26
Snakes.
24:27
Okay.
24:28
Two
24:28
Headed
24:28
State
24:29
wants
24:29
to
24:29
turn
24:29
left.
24:30
Needs
24:30
to
24:30
turn
24:31
right.
24:32
Needs
24:32
to
24:32
turn
24:32
left,
24:32
but
24:33
wants
24:33
to
24:33
turn
24:33
right.
24:34
And
24:34
he
24:34
better
24:34
decide
24:34
or
24:35
we'll
24:35
be
24:35
here
24:35
all
24:35
night.
24:37
I
24:37
love
24:37
it.
24:38
And
24:39
with
24:39
you
24:40
having
24:40
your
24:40
own
24:41
indie
24:41
publishing
24:42
company,
24:42
has
24:43
any
24:44
other
24:45
children's
24:45
book
24:45
author
24:46
reached
24:46
out
24:46
to
24:46
you
24:47
and
24:47
said,
24:47
oh,
24:48
Rusty,
24:49
can
24:49
you
24:49
publish
24:49
my
24:50
book?
24:51
Not
24:51
yet,
24:51
but
24:51
I
24:52
would
24:52
definitely
24:52
welcome
24:52
it.
24:53
And
24:54
like
24:54
I
24:54
said,
24:54
the
24:55
baseball
24:55
book
24:55
was
24:56
another
24:56
author
24:56
that
24:56
reached
24:57
out
24:57
to
24:57
me,
24:57
so
24:58
I'm
24:58
on
24:58
the
24:58
right
24:58
track.
24:59
And
24:59
your
25:00
website,
25:00
have
25:01
you
25:01
had
25:01
your
25:01
website
25:02
up
25:02
and
25:02
running
25:03
since
25:03
2016?
25:05
No,
25:05
I
25:05
only
25:05
got
25:06
that
25:06
this
25:06
year
25:06
because
25:08
this
25:08
last
25:08
couple
25:09
of
25:09
years
25:09
is
25:09
really
25:10
when
25:10
the
25:10
whole
25:10
on
25:10
demand
25:10
thing
25:11
has
25:11
exploded.
25:12
Two
25:12
years
25:12
ago
25:12
you
25:12
couldn't
25:13
get
25:13
Walmart.com,
25:14
ingramsparks
25:15
was
25:15
like
25:15
$750.
25:17
And
25:18
now
25:18
that
25:18
all
25:19
that
25:19
stuff
25:19
is
25:19
like
25:19
they're
25:20
all
25:20
competing
25:20
with
25:20
Amazon
25:21
so
25:21
they
25:21
gotta
25:21
bring
25:21
their
25:21
prices
25:22
way
25:22
down.
25:23
That's
25:23
made
25:23
it
25:23
all
25:23
very
25:24
viable.
25:24
And
25:24
so
25:24
I
25:25
tried
25:25
to
25:25
do
25:25
my
25:25
own
25:25
website
25:26
for
25:26
a
25:26
couple
25:26
of
25:26
years
25:26
and
25:27
that
25:27
just
25:27
wasn't
25:27
any
25:27
good
25:27
at
25:28
it.
25:28
So
25:28
I
25:28
outsourced
25:29
it
25:29
to
25:29
somebody
25:29
else
25:29
and
25:30
I
25:30
think
25:30
they've
25:30
done
25:30
a
25:30
great
25:30
job.
25:31
And
25:31
that's
25:31
why
25:32
I
25:32
had
25:32
a
25:33
website
25:33
developer,
25:34
David
25:34
Servey
25:35
Episode
25:35
31
25:35
come
25:36
on
25:36
and
25:36
talk
25:36
to
25:37
everybody.
25:37
Because
25:38
the
25:38
nice
25:38
thing
25:38
about
25:39
a
25:39
website
25:39
is
25:39
you
25:40
can
25:40
start
25:40
simple
25:41
and
25:41
then
25:41
build
25:42
upon
25:42
it.
25:42
Yes.
25:43
Depending
25:43
on
25:43
your
25:43
needs.
25:45
That's
25:45
what
25:45
I
25:45
did.
25:45
But
25:45
when
25:46
I
25:46
got
25:46
to
25:46
the
25:46
point
25:46
where
25:47
I
25:47
just
25:48
realized
25:48
that
25:48
I
25:48
just
25:48
couldn't
25:49
do
25:49
it
25:49
so
25:49
I
25:49
had
25:49
to
25:49
outsource
25:50
it.
25:50
It's
25:50
a
25:50
nice
25:51
looking
25:51
website.
25:51
It's
25:51
not
25:52
that
25:52
cheap,
25:52
but
25:52
it's
25:52
well
25:53
worth
25:53
it
25:53
cause
25:53
I've
25:53
been
25:53
selling
25:54
books
25:54
from.
25:55
That's
25:55
fantastic.
25:56
Tell
25:56
us
25:57
a
25:57
little
25:57
bit
25:57
about
25:58
your
25:58
website
25:59
journey
26:00
in
26:00
terms
26:00
of.
26:01
So
26:01
you
26:01
started
26:02
publishing
26:03
late
26:03
2016
26:04
and.
26:05
Then
26:05
I
26:05
didn't
26:05
have
26:05
a
26:05
website
26:06
really
26:06
until
26:06
about
26:06
2022
26:08
and
26:08
that
26:08
was
26:08
when
26:08
I
26:08
started
26:09
making
26:09
my
26:09
own
26:09
website.
26:09
It
26:10
was
26:10
very
26:10
simple
26:10
to
26:10
start
26:10
with.
26:11
You
26:11
could
26:11
buy
26:12
the
26:12
two
26:12
or
26:12
three
26:12
books
26:13
I
26:13
had
26:13
at
26:13
the
26:13
time
26:13
and
26:14
I
26:14
built
26:15
on
26:15
it.
26:15
And
26:15
then
26:15
along
26:16
about
26:17
last
26:17
year
26:17
I
26:18
realized
26:18
there's
26:19
no
26:19
way
26:19
I
26:19
can
26:19
just
26:19
keep
26:20
doing
26:20
this
26:20
myself.
26:20
I've
26:20
got
26:21
to
26:21
outsource
26:21
it.
26:21
So
26:21
that's
26:22
what
26:22
I
26:22
did.
26:22
You
26:22
had
26:23
mentioned
26:23
that
26:24
one
26:24
of
26:24
the
26:24
reasons
26:25
you
26:25
did
26:25
that
26:25
also
26:26
is
26:26
you
26:26
said
26:27
you
26:27
now
26:27
work
26:28
with
26:28
a
26:28
PR
26:29
agency.
26:29
Yes,
26:30
I'd
26:31
love
26:31
to
26:31
hear
26:31
that
26:31
story
26:32
because
26:32
I
26:32
haven't
26:33
had
26:33
too
26:33
many
26:33
children's
26:34
book
26:34
authors
26:35
come
26:35
on
26:35
and
26:36
mention
26:36
they're
26:36
working
26:37
with
26:37
a
26:37
PR
26:37
agency.
26:38
So
26:38
talk
26:39
to
26:39
us
26:39
a
26:39
little
26:39
bit
26:39
about
26:39
that.
26:40
The
26:40
funny
26:41
thing
26:41
about
26:41
that
26:41
is
26:42
that
26:42
was
26:42
actually
26:42
an
26:43
outgrowth
26:43
of
26:43
the
26:43
vanity
26:44
publisher
26:44
because
26:46
they
26:46
were
26:46
sending
26:47
me
26:47
these
26:47
pitches
26:48
about
26:48
all
26:48
the
26:48
book
26:49
fair
26:49
heralds
26:49
through
26:49
a
26:50
book
26:50
for
26:50
their.
26:51
And
26:51
so
26:51
I
26:51
did
26:52
the
26:52
London
26:52
Book
26:52
Fair
26:53
which
26:53
cost
26:53
me
26:53
$350.
26:55
And
26:56
out
26:56
of
26:56
the
26:56
blue
26:56
I
26:56
got
26:56
an
26:57
email
26:57
from
26:57
a
26:57
publicist
26:58
that
26:58
said,
26:58
I
26:59
love
26:59
your
26:59
book
26:59
and
26:59
I'd
26:59
love
27:00
to
27:00
rep
27:00
you,
27:00
let's
27:01
talk.
27:01
And
27:01
so
27:01
I
27:01
called
27:02
him
27:02
up
27:02
and
27:02
went
27:02
back
27:03
and
27:03
forth
27:03
for
27:03
a
27:03
while
27:03
and
27:03
then
27:04
I
27:04
hired
27:04
him
27:04
to
27:04
do
27:05
it.
27:06
And
27:06
they're
27:07
going
27:07
to
27:07
get
27:07
me
27:07
on
27:07
20
27:08
to
27:08
30
27:08
podcasts
27:09
and
27:09
radio
27:10
shows
27:10
and
27:10
some
27:10
TV
27:10
shows
27:11
as
27:11
well
27:11
as
27:11
they
27:12
wrote
27:12
a
27:12
professional
27:12
press
27:13
release
27:13
for
27:13
it
27:13
which
27:14
is
27:14
probably
27:14
out
27:14
where
27:14
you
27:15
came
27:15
about.
27:16
Okay.
27:17
Have
27:17
you
27:17
been
27:17
satisfied
27:18
with.
27:19
Cause
27:19
I'm
27:19
sure
27:19
that's
27:20
being.
27:20
You've
27:21
had
27:21
to
27:21
invest
27:21
some
27:21
money
27:22
to
27:22
do
27:22
that.
27:23
Yes,
27:23
it
27:23
was.
27:24
I
27:24
spent
27:25
about
27:25
$6,000
27:26
on
27:26
it
27:26
so
27:26
far
27:27
and
27:27
he
27:27
did
27:27
offer
27:28
me
27:28
10
27:29
one
27:29
hour
27:30
sessions
27:30
about
27:31
how
27:31
to
27:31
promote
27:31
your
27:31
book
27:31
on
27:32
social
27:33
media
27:33
and
27:34
in
27:34
the
27:34
local.
27:36
Local
27:36
stations
27:37
and
27:37
book
27:37
readings
27:37
and
27:38
stuff.
27:38
And
27:38
so
27:38
that
27:38
was
27:38
very
27:39
helpful.
27:39
If
27:39
I
27:39
had
27:39
to
27:40
educate
27:40
myself
27:40
to
27:40
do
27:40
that,
27:41
I
27:41
don't
27:41
think
27:41
I'd
27:41
ever
27:42
learned
27:42
all
27:42
that
27:42
stuff.
27:42
And
27:43
the
27:43
time.
27:43
The
27:43
20
27:44
years
27:44
and
27:44
I
27:44
have
27:44
left.
27:44
But.
27:45
Right.
27:45
He
27:46
really.
27:46
Those
27:46
10
27:47
hours
27:47
of
27:47
coaching
27:47
was
27:48
really
27:48
good
27:48
for
27:48
the
27:48
$6,000
27:49
and
27:50
I
27:50
think
27:51
they're
27:51
going
27:51
to
27:51
get
27:51
me
27:51
on
27:51
25
27:52
different
27:52
podcasts
27:53
slash
27:53
radio
27:53
shows.
27:54
Last
27:54
a
27:54
couple
27:54
of
27:55
TV
27:55
shows.
27:55
Fantastic.
27:56
Is
27:56
it
27:57
an
27:57
once
27:57
you've
27:58
paid
27:58
that
27:58
fee,
27:58
is
27:59
that
27:59
it
28:00
or
28:00
do
28:01
you
28:01
have
28:01
to
28:01
top
28:01
it
28:01
up
28:02
every
28:02
once
28:02
in
28:02
a
28:02
while?
28:03
That's
28:03
pretty
28:04
much
28:04
it.
28:04
When
28:04
I
28:04
run
28:04
out
28:05
of
28:05
podcasts,
28:05
I'll
28:05
probably
28:06
send
28:06
them
28:06
another
28:07
$2,500
28:08
or
28:08
something
28:08
to
28:08
keep
28:08
the
28:09
train
28:09
rolling.
28:10
Okay.
28:10
Okay.
28:11
And
28:11
you
28:11
also
28:11
mentioned
28:12
television
28:12
because
28:13
I
28:13
know
28:13
a
28:13
lot
28:13
of
28:13
people
28:14
have
28:14
gone
28:15
on
28:15
television
28:16
to
28:16
talk
28:16
about
28:16
their
28:16
books.
28:17
Talk.
28:17
Talk
28:17
to
28:17
us
28:18
a
28:18
little
28:18
bit
28:18
about
28:18
that.
28:19
Well,
28:19
they
28:19
haven't
28:19
got
28:20
me
28:20
on
28:20
yet,
28:20
but
28:20
they
28:20
say
28:21
they're
28:21
gonna.
28:21
So
28:21
I'm
28:22
hopeful
28:22
and
28:22
I'd
28:22
love
28:23
to
28:23
get
28:23
on
28:23
and
28:23
talk
28:23
about
28:23
my
28:24
book
28:25
to
28:25
the
28:25
local.
28:25
It
28:25
will
28:26
be
28:26
the
28:26
local
28:26
market,
28:26
of
28:27
course.
28:27
You
28:27
get
28:27
on
28:27
a
28:27
local
28:28
station
28:28
and
28:28
it'll
28:28
be
28:29
like
28:29
hear
28:29
the
28:29
local
28:29
author.
28:30
I
28:30
had
28:31
an
28:31
author
28:31
on
28:31
our
28:32
show,
28:32
children's
28:33
book
28:33
author.
28:34
And
28:34
she
28:35
also
28:35
works
28:36
for
28:36
Yorkshire
28:37
Publishing
28:37
out
28:38
of
28:38
Chicago.
28:39
And
28:40
she
28:40
talked
28:41
to
28:41
me
28:41
about
28:42
what's
28:42
called
28:42
earned
28:43
media
28:45
and
28:45
her
28:45
name
28:46
is
28:46
Lori
28:46
Orlinsk.
28:47
Episode
28:47
48
28:48
might
28:48
be
28:49
worth
28:49
the
28:49
listen
28:50
for
28:50
you
28:50
because
28:51
she
28:52
actually
28:52
talks
28:53
about
28:53
earned
28:54
media,
28:54
which
28:55
is
28:55
media
28:55
that
28:56
you
28:56
hustle.
28:57
And
28:57
so
28:57
she's
28:58
actually
28:58
got
28:58
on
28:59
radio
28:59
stations,
29:00
she's
29:01
been
29:01
on
29:01
a
29:01
local
29:01
newspapers,
29:03
television.
29:04
She's
29:04
gotten
29:05
all
29:05
of
29:05
it
29:05
done
29:06
for
29:06
free.
29:07
I
29:07
could
29:07
use
29:08
some
29:08
of
29:08
that
29:08
advice
29:08
because
29:09
I
29:09
don't
29:09
have
29:10
a
29:10
lot
29:11
of
29:11
gumption
29:11
at
29:11
my
29:12
age.
29:12
I'm
29:12
67,
29:13
so
29:13
I'm
29:13
starting
29:13
to
29:13
run
29:13
out
29:14
of
29:14
gas.
29:14
But
29:14
I
29:14
still
29:15
get
29:15
around.
29:15
You
29:15
know
29:15
what?
29:16
Sometimes
29:16
it's
29:16
just
29:17
as
29:17
simple
29:17
as
29:17
asking.
29:18
Yeah,
29:19
that's
29:19
what
29:19
my
29:20
publicist
29:20
told
29:20
me.
29:21
You've
29:21
got
29:21
it.
29:22
If
29:22
you
29:22
don't
29:22
get
29:22
it,
29:22
if
29:22
you.
29:23
Don'T
29:23
ask,
29:23
there's
29:24
no
29:24
doubt
29:24
about
29:24
it.
29:25
Great
29:25
advice.
29:27
So
29:27
was
29:27
there
29:28
When
29:28
I.
29:29
When
29:29
you
29:29
look
29:29
back
29:30
on
29:30
your
29:30
children's
29:31
book
29:31
authorship
29:32
journey,
29:33
was
29:33
there
29:33
a
29:34
specific
29:34
person
29:35
or
29:35
event
29:36
that
29:37
kind
29:37
of
29:37
motivated
29:38
you
29:38
to
29:38
write
29:39
your.
29:39
Besides
29:40
the
29:40
Facebook,
29:41
is
29:41
there
29:41
something
29:42
else
29:42
that
29:42
motivated
29:43
you
29:43
to
29:43
actually
29:44
take
29:45
action
29:45
like
29:46
you
29:46
took
29:46
action?
29:47
I
29:47
would
29:47
say
29:47
that
29:47
my
29:48
grandson
29:48
was
29:48
a
29:48
big
29:48
motivation
29:49
because
29:49
I
29:49
wanted
29:49
to
29:50
be
29:50
able
29:50
to
29:51
read
29:51
to
29:51
him.
29:52
He's
29:52
a
29:52
studious
29:53
child.
29:53
He's
29:53
got
29:53
probably
29:54
a
29:54
library
29:55
of
29:55
1500
29:55
books
29:55
on
29:56
his
29:56
own.
29:56
Oh,
29:57
my
29:57
God.
29:57
His
29:57
parents
29:58
gave
29:58
him
29:58
his
29:58
own
29:58
room
29:58
for
29:59
a
29:59
library,
29:59
so
30:00
that
30:00
probably
30:00
helped.
30:01
Wow.
30:02
Wow.
30:02
Terrific.
30:03
I
30:03
love
30:04
talking
30:04
to
30:04
him
30:04
about
30:04
it.
30:05
Yeah.
30:05
I'm
30:05
hoping
30:06
to
30:06
bring
30:06
him
30:06
into
30:06
the
30:07
fall
30:07
too,
30:07
and
30:07
get
30:07
him
30:07
to
30:07
start
30:08
running
30:08
some
30:08
books.
30:08
He's
30:08
12
30:09
this
30:09
year,
30:09
so
30:09
he's
30:09
getting
30:09
there.
30:10
I
30:10
want
30:11
to
30:11
talk
30:11
to
30:11
you
30:11
about
30:11
character
30:12
development
30:12
because
30:13
you
30:13
used
30:14
a
30:14
pelican
30:15
as
30:15
your
30:15
signature
30:16
character
30:17
in
30:17
your
30:17
book,
30:18
but
30:18
you
30:18
also
30:19
introduce
30:19
us
30:20
through
30:21
your
30:21
poems
30:22
to
30:22
so
30:23
many
30:23
other
30:24
characters.
30:25
I'm
30:26
curious
30:26
about
30:26
that
30:27
journey
30:27
because
30:28
did
30:28
you
30:28
have
30:29
the
30:30
poems
30:30
written
30:31
and
30:31
then.
30:32
No.
30:32
Okay.
30:33
When
30:33
you
30:33
went
30:33
to
30:34
the
30:34
school
30:34
and
30:34
you
30:35
got
30:35
these
30:35
illustrations
30:36
of
30:36
these
30:36
other
30:37
characters.
30:38
Oh,
30:38
yes,
30:39
I
30:39
wrote
30:39
the
30:39
poems
30:39
for
30:40
them
30:40
first.
30:40
That's
30:40
true.
30:41
Okay.
30:41
And
30:41
the
30:42
teacher,
30:42
what
30:42
happened
30:43
was
30:43
she
30:44
let
30:44
them
30:44
decide
30:45
which
30:45
ones
30:45
they
30:46
wanted
30:46
to
30:46
draw.
30:47
And
30:47
the
30:47
ones
30:48
I
30:48
got
30:48
most
30:48
of
30:48
were
30:48
the
30:48
axolotls
30:49
and
30:49
the
30:49
two
30:49
cans
30:50
of
30:50
corks.
30:51
So
30:51
how
30:51
did
30:51
you,
30:52
like.
30:52
Because
30:53
you've
30:53
got
30:53
so
30:53
many
30:53
characters,
30:55
how
30:55
did
30:56
eventually
30:57
each
30:57
child
30:58
decide
30:59
on
30:59
the
30:59
character
31:00
that
31:00
they
31:00
were
31:00
going
31:01
to
31:01
draw?
31:02
Yeah,
31:02
she
31:02
let
31:02
them
31:03
decide
31:03
on
31:03
their
31:03
own
31:03
what
31:04
they
31:04
wanted
31:04
to
31:04
draw
31:05
and.
31:06
But
31:06
at
31:06
the
31:06
same
31:06
time,
31:06
they
31:07
had
31:07
all
31:07
the
31:07
poems
31:07
in
31:07
front
31:08
of
31:08
them.
31:08
So
31:09
that
31:09
was
31:09
kind
31:09
of
31:09
the
31:09
inspiration
31:10
for
31:10
the
31:10
kids.
31:10
And
31:10
I
31:11
get
31:11
to
31:11
back
31:11
up
31:11
for
31:11
a
31:12
minute.
31:13
The
31:13
way
31:13
I
31:13
write
31:14
my
31:14
poems
31:14
is
31:15
I
31:15
collect
31:15
animals.
31:16
If
31:16
I
31:17
see
31:17
something
31:17
on
31:17
the
31:17
Internet
31:18
that
31:18
I
31:18
like,
31:18
or
31:18
if
31:19
I'm
31:19
out
31:19
driving
31:19
around
31:19
and
31:20
I
31:20
see
31:20
a
31:20
roadrunner
31:21
running
31:21
down
31:21
the
31:21
street,
31:22
I
31:22
might
31:22
write
31:22
a
31:22
poem
31:23
in
31:23
my
31:23
head
31:23
and
31:23
try
31:23
to
31:23
get
31:24
it
31:24
home
31:24
and
31:24
write
31:24
it
31:24
down
31:24
as
31:24
soon
31:25
as
31:25
I
31:25
can
31:25
so
31:26
I
31:26
don't
31:26
forget.
31:26
And
31:27
I
31:27
always
31:28
try
31:28
to
31:28
include
31:28
in
31:28
the
31:29
poems
31:29
a
31:29
little
31:30
something
31:30
about
31:30
what
31:30
they
31:30
eat
31:31
or
31:31
their
31:31
habitat
31:32
or
31:32
how
31:33
they
31:33
mate
31:33
or
31:34
what
31:34
they
31:34
look
31:34
like.
31:35
And
31:36
this
31:36
is
31:36
where
31:36
my
31:37
reality
31:37
TV
31:38
experience
31:39
really
31:39
helped
31:39
me,
31:39
because
31:40
in
31:40
reality
31:41
TV,
31:41
what
31:41
we
31:41
do
31:41
is
31:42
we
31:42
shoot
31:43
300,
31:43
400
31:44
hours
31:44
of
31:44
tape
31:45
for
31:45
a
31:45
one
31:45
hour
31:45
show.
31:46
So
31:47
you
31:47
have
31:47
to
31:47
hone
31:47
it
31:47
down
31:48
and
31:48
hone
31:48
it
31:48
down
31:48
and
31:48
hone
31:49
it
31:49
down
31:49
and
31:49
just
31:49
get
31:50
to
31:50
the
31:50
very,
31:50
very
31:50
core
31:51
of
31:51
what
31:51
you
31:51
can
31:51
do.
31:53
And
31:53
that's
31:53
what
31:53
I
31:53
do
31:53
with
31:54
my
31:54
poems.
31:54
I
31:55
ride
31:55
them
31:55
long
31:55
and
31:56
then
31:56
I
31:56
shorten
31:57
them
31:57
and
31:57
I
31:57
lose
31:58
a
31:58
lot
31:58
of
31:58
the
31:58
ands
31:58
and
31:58
the.
31:59
And
31:59
the
31:59
ors
32:00
and
32:00
like
32:00
that.
32:01
Yes.
32:02
And
32:03
so
32:03
that
32:03
was
32:04
quite
32:04
the
32:04
experience
32:05
for
32:05
the
32:05
kids
32:05
to
32:06
actually
32:07
come
32:07
up
32:07
with
32:07
that.
32:08
You
32:08
had
32:09
multiple
32:10
choices
32:11
of
32:12
where
32:12
a
32:12
couple
32:13
of
32:13
children
32:13
would
32:14
actually
32:14
take
32:14
your
32:15
poem,
32:15
draw
32:15
an
32:16
animal,
32:16
and
32:17
then
32:17
you
32:17
chose
32:17
from
32:18
one
32:19
or
32:19
two
32:19
drawings.
32:19
Is
32:20
that.
32:20
Yes.
32:20
I
32:20
had
32:20
to
32:21
like
32:21
the
32:21
axolotls.
32:22
I
32:22
got
32:22
maybe
32:22
15.
32:23
I
32:23
had
32:23
to
32:23
choose
32:23
one,
32:24
the
32:24
other
32:25
14,
32:25
like
32:25
I
32:25
said,
32:25
I
32:26
put
32:26
in
32:26
that
32:26
section
32:26
at
32:26
the
32:27
end
32:27
of
32:27
the
32:27
book
32:27
which
32:27
is
32:27
all
32:27
pictures.
32:28
The
32:28
two
32:29
cans,
32:29
I
32:29
think
32:29
they
32:29
had
32:30
six
32:30
or
32:30
eight
32:30
and
32:30
they
32:30
had
32:30
to
32:31
choose
32:31
one.
32:31
And
32:32
I
32:32
put
32:32
a
32:32
little
32:32
section,
32:33
a
32:33
little
32:33
double
32:34
throw
32:34
two
32:34
cans
32:34
in
32:34
the
32:35
middle.
32:35
One
32:36
of
32:36
the
32:36
kids
32:36
chose
32:36
the
32:37
prairie
32:37
dog.
32:37
So
32:37
I
32:37
had
32:37
to
32:38
go
32:38
back
32:38
and
32:38
I
32:39
chose
32:39
the
32:39
best
32:39
kid
32:40
out
32:40
of
32:40
the
32:40
bunch
32:40
and
32:40
ask
32:40
her
32:41
if
32:41
she
32:41
would
32:41
do
32:41
it.
32:41
And
32:41
she
32:41
did.
32:42
Miranda
32:43
was
32:43
her
32:43
name.
32:43
Why
32:44
the
32:44
pelican
32:45
as
32:45
your
32:45
main
32:46
character?
32:46
What
32:47
I
32:47
do
32:47
for
32:47
the
32:47
book
32:47
is
32:48
I
32:48
go
32:48
through
32:48
and
32:48
I
32:48
try
32:49
to
32:49
pick
32:49
out
32:49
my
32:49
favorite
32:50
picture
32:50
and
32:51
then
32:51
that
32:51
becomes
32:51
the
32:51
title
32:52
of
32:52
the
32:52
book.
32:52
So
32:54
an
32:54
awesome
32:54
bird.
32:54
The
32:55
pelican
32:55
was
32:55
the
32:55
first
32:55
line
32:56
on
32:56
the
32:56
palm,
32:56
which
32:57
then
32:57
becomes
32:57
the
32:57
title
32:57
of
32:58
the
32:58
book.
32:58
And
32:58
the
32:58
picture
32:58
of
32:58
the
32:59
pelican
32:59
goes
32:59
on
32:59
the
32:59
frame.
33:01
Okay,
33:01
so
33:02
that's
33:02
how
33:02
I
33:02
choose
33:02
the
33:03
titles.
33:03
I
33:03
don't
33:04
always
33:04
choose
33:04
the
33:04
titles
33:05
in
33:05
the
33:05
beginning,
33:05
I
33:06
don't
33:06
think.
33:06
But
33:07
for
33:07
the
33:07
two
33:07
headed
33:08
snake,
33:08
what
33:08
happened
33:09
was
33:09
I
33:09
saw
33:10
a
33:10
two
33:11
headed
33:11
snake
33:11
on
33:11
Venice
33:12
beach
33:12
maybe
33:12
about
33:12
20
33:13
years
33:13
ago
33:14
down
33:14
on
33:14
Venice
33:15
Beach.
33:15
And
33:15
that
33:15
was
33:16
the
33:16
inspiration
33:16
for
33:16
that
33:17
one.
33:17
The
33:17
theme
33:18
so
33:19
very
33:19
unique
33:20
with
33:21
your
33:21
book
33:21
about
33:21
the
33:22
pelicans.
33:22
So
33:23
tell
33:23
us,
33:24
even
33:24
that
33:24
whole
33:25
concept
33:25
I
33:25
know
33:26
you
33:26
told
33:26
the
33:26
background
33:27
story
33:27
was
33:28
is
33:28
there
33:28
more
33:28
to
33:29
it
33:29
than
33:29
that
33:29
or
33:30
what's
33:30
at
33:30
the
33:31
end
33:31
of
33:31
the
33:31
day?
33:31
Is
33:31
there
33:32
a
33:32
single
33:33
message,
33:33
a
33:34
single
33:34
theme
33:34
that
33:35
you're
33:35
wanting
33:36
to.
33:37
My
33:37
single
33:38
message
33:38
is
33:38
to
33:38
get
33:38
the
33:39
kids
33:39
to
33:39
engage
33:40
with
33:40
the
33:40
outside
33:40
natural
33:41
world
33:42
and
33:42
also
33:43
to
33:43
realize
33:43
that
33:43
they
33:43
can
33:44
write
33:44
and
33:44
they
33:44
can
33:44
draw
33:45
on
33:45
their
33:45
own.
33:45
They
33:45
don't
33:46
have
33:46
to
33:46
rely
33:47
on
33:47
a
33:47
screen
33:47
for
33:47
everything
33:48
in
33:48
their
33:48
life.
33:49
Which
33:49
is
33:49
so
33:49
funny
33:49
because
33:50
my
33:50
grandson
33:51
literally
33:52
learned
33:52
to
33:52
use
33:52
a
33:53
cell
33:53
phone
33:53
before
33:55
he
33:55
was
33:55
in
33:55
school.
33:56
And
33:57
when
33:57
we
33:57
were
33:57
kids,
33:57
we
33:58
didn't
33:58
have
33:58
cell
33:58
phones.
33:58
No.
33:59
Entertain
34:00
ourselves
34:00
in
34:00
the
34:00
library
34:01
in
34:01
the
34:01
Dewey
34:02
decimal
34:02
system.
34:02
So
34:03
it's
34:04
pretty
34:04
amazing.
34:04
And
34:05
my
34:05
oldest
34:06
granddaughter,
34:06
we
34:07
got
34:07
into
34:07
children's
34:08
book
34:08
writing
34:09
because
34:10
her
34:10
and
34:10
I
34:11
spent
34:11
a
34:11
lot
34:11
of
34:11
time
34:12
together.
34:13
She
34:13
was
34:13
our
34:14
first
34:14
grandchild.
34:15
For
34:15
the
34:15
first
34:15
five
34:15
years,
34:16
there
34:16
wasn't
34:16
another
34:16
one
34:17
that
34:17
came
34:17
along
34:17
and
34:18
tour
34:18
a
34:18
lot.
34:18
Yeah.
34:19
So
34:19
she
34:19
got
34:19
all
34:20
the
34:20
attention
34:20
and
34:21
her
34:21
and
34:21
I
34:22
did
34:22
so
34:22
much.
34:22
We
34:23
did
34:23
hiking
34:24
and
34:24
we
34:24
did
34:25
horseback
34:25
riding
34:26
in
34:26
the
34:26
winter
34:27
and
34:27
skiing
34:28
so
34:28
much
34:29
and.
34:29
But
34:29
what
34:29
happened
34:30
was
34:30
I
34:30
called
34:31
her
34:31
our
34:32
digital
34:32
baby.
34:33
There's
34:34
no
34:34
film,
34:35
there's
34:35
no
34:36
negatives.
34:37
Everything
34:37
resides
34:38
on,
34:39
as
34:39
you
34:39
said,
34:40
rusty
34:40
on
34:41
the
34:41
cell
34:41
phone.
34:42
And
34:42
so
34:43
we
34:43
had
34:43
all
34:43
these
34:44
adventures
34:45
in
34:45
pictures.
34:46
And
34:46
sometimes
34:47
we
34:47
would
34:47
take
34:48
pictures,
34:48
three
34:48
or
34:48
four
34:49
pictures,
34:49
sometimes
34:50
a
34:50
little
34:50
more,
34:51
but
34:52
they
34:52
ended
34:52
up
34:52
being
34:53
stories.
34:53
At
34:54
the
34:54
end
34:54
of
34:54
the
34:54
day,
34:55
her
34:55
and
34:56
I
34:56
wrote
34:56
our
34:56
first
34:57
story.
34:57
And
34:57
then
34:58
what
34:58
happened
34:58
was
34:59
we
34:59
went
34:59
through
35:00
all
35:00
the
35:00
pictures
35:01
and.
35:02
Awesome.
35:02
And
35:03
it
35:03
turned
35:03
into
35:03
38
35:04
stories
35:04
in
35:05
our.
35:05
In
35:05
the
35:05
Adventures
35:06
of
35:06
Caboose,
35:07
the
35:07
Rocky
35:07
Mountain
35:07
Bear.
35:08
We
35:08
never
35:08
could
35:09
have
35:09
done
35:09
that
35:09
when
35:09
we
35:09
were
35:09
kids
35:09
because
35:10
you
35:10
got
35:10
to
35:10
roll
35:10
a
35:10
film
35:10
and
35:11
it
35:11
was
35:11
24
35:11
pictures
35:12
and
35:12
it
35:12
cost
35:13
you
35:13
10
35:13
bucks
35:13
to
35:13
get
35:13
it
35:14
developed.
35:14
So
35:15
yeah,
35:16
some
35:16
of
35:16
them.
35:16
You
35:16
had
35:16
your
35:17
thumb
35:17
in
35:17
it
35:17
or
35:18
up.
35:18
Yeah,
35:19
I
35:19
wasted
35:19
money.
35:20
Now
35:21
you
35:21
can
35:21
take
35:21
150
35:22
pictures
35:22
in
35:22
your
35:22
iPhone
35:23
for
35:23
nothing
35:24
on
35:24
the
35:25
cost
35:25
of
35:25
your
35:25
iPhone.
35:26
Yeah,
35:26
exactly.
35:27
It's
35:27
really
35:27
evolved.
35:27
Yeah.
35:28
And
35:28
the
35:28
nice
35:28
thing
35:28
about
35:29
it,
35:29
you
35:29
could
35:29
just
35:29
hit
35:30
delete
35:30
if
35:30
you're
35:30
not
35:31
happy.
35:31
Yes.
35:32
Whenever
35:33
I
35:33
take
35:33
pictures
35:33
of
35:33
the
35:33
iPhone,
35:34
I
35:34
always
35:34
take
35:34
8
35:34
or
35:35
10
35:35
and
35:35
I
35:35
delete
35:36
the
35:36
ones
35:36
that
35:36
I
35:36
don't
35:36
like
35:36
and
35:37
keep
35:37
the
35:37
one
35:37
that
35:37
I
35:37
do.
35:38
So
35:38
I'm
35:39
sure
35:39
everybody
35:39
does
35:39
that
35:41
in
35:41
the
35:41
book.
35:43
An
35:44
awesome
35:44
bird,
35:45
the
35:45
pelican.
35:45
Tell
35:46
us
35:46
about
35:47
the
35:47
central
35:47
teaching
35:48
because
35:49
it's
35:49
such
35:49
a
35:50
unique
35:50
book
35:51
about
35:51
how
35:52
you
35:52
went
35:52
about
35:53
bring
35:53
putting
35:54
it
35:54
together.
35:55
Because
35:55
I.
35:55
I've
35:55
yet
35:56
to
35:56
talk
35:56
to
35:56
anyone
35:57
who
35:58
in
35:58
essence,
35:58
you
35:59
had,
36:00
like
36:00
you
36:01
said
36:01
you
36:01
had
36:01
access
36:02
to
36:02
six.
36:03
I
36:03
don't
36:03
know
36:03
how
36:03
many.
36:04
There
36:04
were
36:05
40
36:05
of
36:05
them,
36:05
I
36:05
think.
36:05
44.
36:06
Yeah,
36:07
44.
36:07
But
36:08
then
36:08
you
36:08
actually
36:09
put
36:09
the
36:09
other
36:09
ones
36:10
in
36:10
the
36:10
book
36:10
also
36:10
at
36:11
the
36:11
back.
36:12
You
36:12
had
36:12
this
36:12
access
36:13
to
36:13
so
36:14
many
36:14
illustrators.
36:14
Illustrators,
36:15
yeah.
36:16
I'm
36:17
thinking
36:17
there's
36:18
probably
36:19
60
36:19
or
36:20
80
36:20
kids
36:20
that
36:20
did
36:20
the
36:20
illustrations,
36:21
at
36:21
least
36:21
just
36:22
from.
36:22
I
36:23
don't
36:23
know
36:23
exactly.
36:23
But
36:24
I
36:24
do
36:24
know
36:24
that
36:24
when
36:24
I
36:24
gave
36:25
them
36:25
all
36:25
20
36:25
bucks,
36:25
I
36:25
had
36:26
to
36:26
take
36:26
$1200
36:26
out
36:27
of
36:27
the
36:27
bag.
36:28
Five
36:28
times
36:28
12
36:29
is
36:29
60.
36:29
Yeah,
36:30
yeah,
36:30
probably
36:31
60
36:31
kids.
36:32
Fantastic.
36:33
That's
36:33
incredible.
36:34
What
36:34
you
36:34
did
36:34
there
36:35
is
36:36
you
36:36
did
36:36
that
36:37
last
36:37
year,
36:39
at
36:39
the
36:39
end
36:39
of.
36:39
Last
36:39
year
36:39
and
36:39
the
36:40
beginning
36:40
of
36:40
this
36:40
year.
36:40
It
36:41
started
36:41
in
36:41
spring
36:41
of
36:42
2024
36:42
and
36:42
it
36:43
took
36:43
the
36:43
kids
36:43
six
36:43
to
36:43
eight
36:44
months
36:44
to
36:44
get
36:44
it
36:44
all
36:44
done.
36:44
We
36:45
lost
36:45
some
36:45
of
36:46
em
36:46
over
36:46
the
36:46
summer,
36:46
which
36:46
was
36:47
sad.
36:47
But
36:47
most
36:47
of
36:48
them
36:48
got
36:48
the
36:48
picture
36:48
in
36:48
the
36:48
book.
36:48
So
36:50
that's
36:50
terrific.
36:51
It'd
36:51
be
36:51
interesting
36:53
ten
36:53
years
36:53
from
36:54
now.
36:54
Yes,
36:55
actually.
36:57
Talk
36:57
to
36:57
every
36:58
child
36:58
and
36:58
see
36:58
if
36:59
any
36:59
of
36:59
them
36:59
went
37:00
into
37:00
illustration
37:01
as
37:01
a
37:02
profession.
37:02
I
37:03
honestly
37:03
believe
37:03
some
37:03
of
37:03
them
37:04
are
37:04
going
37:04
to
37:04
do
37:04
that.
37:04
Miranda
37:05
just
37:05
was
37:05
such
37:05
a
37:05
great
37:06
illustrator.
37:06
And
37:07
there's
37:07
another
37:07
kid
37:07
named
37:08
Andre.
37:08
Okay.
37:09
And
37:09
he
37:09
was
37:10
all
37:10
pen
37:10
and
37:10
ink.
37:11
And
37:12
I
37:12
asked
37:12
him,
37:13
don't
37:13
you
37:13
want
37:13
to
37:13
use
37:13
a
37:13
pencil
37:14
in
37:14
case
37:14
you
37:14
have
37:14
to
37:14
erase
37:15
something?
37:15
Nope,
37:15
all
37:16
pen
37:16
and
37:16
ink.
37:17
And
37:17
so
37:17
he
37:17
did
37:17
a
37:18
scorpion.
37:18
That
37:18
was
37:18
pen
37:19
and
37:19
ink.
37:19
It
37:20
was
37:20
just
37:20
amazing.
37:22
I
37:22
can't
37:22
believe
37:22
he
37:23
did
37:23
it
37:23
without
37:23
erasing
37:23
anything.
37:24
He
37:24
just
37:24
drew
37:24
it.
37:24
And
37:24
then
37:25
another
37:25
thing.
37:25
Some
37:25
people
37:25
have
37:26
the
37:26
talent.
37:26
Yeah.
37:27
He's
37:27
really
37:27
got
37:27
another
37:28
kid
37:28
named
37:29
Julian
37:29
was
37:29
a.
37:30
His
37:30
stuff
37:30
was
37:31
really
37:31
comical.
37:32
So
37:32
I
37:32
think
37:32
he's
37:32
got
37:33
a
37:33
feature
37:33
in
37:33
comic
37:34
books
37:34
or
37:34
graphic
37:35
artists,
37:35
maybe,
37:35
I
37:35
don't
37:36
know,
37:36
animation.
37:37
The
37:38
nice
37:38
thing
37:38
about
37:38
it
37:39
is
37:39
that
37:40
you
37:40
created
37:41
a
37:41
published
37:41
children's
37:42
book
37:42
that
37:43
they
37:43
could
37:43
actually
37:44
feel
37:45
and
37:45
touch
37:46
because
37:46
you
37:47
took
37:47
action.
37:47
And
37:48
I
37:48
think,
37:48
you
37:48
know
37:49
what?
37:49
That
37:50
to
37:50
me,
37:51
to
37:52
influence
37:53
60
37:53
children.
37:54
I'm
37:54
very
37:54
proud
37:55
of
37:55
it.
37:55
I'm
37:55
very
37:55
proud
37:56
of
37:56
it.
37:56
You
37:56
should
37:56
be
37:56
very
37:57
proud
37:57
of
37:57
it.
37:57
That
37:58
is
37:58
an
37:58
incredible
37:59
thing
37:59
for
37:59
someone
38:00
to
38:00
think
38:01
you've
38:01
influenced
38:02
60
38:03
young,
38:03
fertile
38:04
minds,
38:05
that
38:05
anything
38:05
is
38:06
possible.
38:07
I'll
38:07
just
38:07
tell
38:07
you
38:07
a
38:07
brief
38:08
anecdote
38:09
as
38:09
I
38:09
was
38:09
talking
38:10
to
38:10
the
38:10
teacher,
38:10
Leslie
38:11
Snider.
38:11
And
38:11
she
38:11
said,
38:12
before
38:13
Miranda
38:14
got
38:14
into
38:14
this,
38:14
she
38:14
was
38:15
one
38:15
of
38:15
the
38:16
most
38:16
shy
38:16
girls
38:16
in
38:16
class.
38:17
Never
38:17
talked,
38:18
just
38:18
kept
38:18
her
38:18
head
38:18
down,
38:18
a
38:19
bit
38:19
of
38:19
work.
38:19
And
38:19
then
38:19
once
38:20
she
38:20
did
38:20
the
38:21
book,
38:21
she
38:21
just
38:21
opened
38:22
all
38:22
the
38:22
way
38:22
up
38:22
and
38:22
was
38:22
extremely
38:23
gregarious.
38:24
So
38:24
that
38:24
was
38:25
good.
38:26
Terrific.
38:26
That's
38:27
what
38:27
I'm
38:27
saying.
38:27
At
38:28
some
38:28
point.
38:28
And
38:29
you
38:29
did
38:29
it.
38:30
You
38:30
know,
38:30
that's
38:31
really
38:31
touching
38:32
children.
38:32
Yes.
38:33
Just
38:33
congratulations.
38:35
Thank
38:35
you.
38:35
Yeah.
38:36
It's
38:36
been
38:36
a
38:36
wonderful
38:36
journey.
38:37
I'm
38:37
so
38:37
proud
38:37
of
38:38
all
38:38
those
38:38
kids
38:38
and
38:38
what
38:39
they
38:39
did.
38:40
Your
38:40
writing
38:40
process.
38:41
I'm
38:41
curious,
38:42
now
38:42
that
38:42
we
38:42
know
38:42
you're
38:43
working
38:43
on
38:43
another
38:44
book,
38:44
could
38:45
you
38:45
share
38:45
some
38:45
insight
38:46
into
38:46
the
38:46
development
38:47
and
38:47
writing
38:48
process
38:49
that
38:49
you
38:49
use
38:50
to
38:50
do
38:50
a
38:50
children's
38:51
book
38:52
with
38:52
the
38:52
poems?
38:53
What
38:53
I
38:53
do
38:53
is,
38:54
like
38:55
I
38:55
said,
38:55
I
38:55
collect
38:55
animals
38:56
from
38:56
the
38:56
Internet.
38:57
Occasionally
38:57
I'll
38:57
run
38:58
across
38:58
a
38:58
thing
38:58
like
38:58
there
38:59
was
38:59
one
38:59
called
39:01
Peter
39:01
Fried
39:01
Mun.
39:02
It's
39:02
hard
39:02
to
39:02
rhyme.
39:03
It's
39:03
just
39:03
a
39:03
tiny
39:04
frog
39:04
with
39:04
the
39:04
name
39:04
Sublime.
39:05
And
39:05
that
39:06
was
39:06
a
39:06
frog
39:06
that's.
39:06
No,
39:07
that's
39:07
like
39:08
half
39:08
the
39:08
size
39:08
of
39:08
your
39:09
thumbnail.
39:09
And
39:10
I
39:10
thought,
39:10
that's
39:10
an
39:10
interesting.
39:11
And
39:12
I'll
39:12
just
39:12
show
39:12
you
39:12
the
39:12
picture
39:12
that
39:13
Miranda
39:13
did.
39:14
It's
39:15
got
39:15
a
39:15
magnifying
39:16
glass
39:16
and
39:16
a
39:17
quarter
39:17
and
39:17
a
39:18
pencil
39:18
queen.
39:20
There's
39:21
a
39:21
Miranda
39:22
going
39:22
and
39:22
I'll
39:23
write
39:23
those
39:23
down.
39:23
I
39:24
keep
39:24
a
39:24
file
39:25
that's
39:25
talking
39:26
about
39:26
digital.
39:27
I
39:27
keep
39:27
it
39:27
in
39:27
my
39:28
notes
39:28
app.
39:28
I
39:29
don't
39:29
use
39:29
pen
39:29
and
39:29
paper
39:30
anymore
39:31
and
39:31
I
39:31
probably
39:31
have
39:31
a
39:32
hundred
39:32
palms
39:32
in
39:32
there
39:33
and
39:33
like
39:34
for
39:34
the
39:34
two
39:34
headed
39:34
snake
39:34
I
39:35
just
39:35
go
39:35
through
39:35
and
39:35
I'll
39:36
pick
39:36
out
39:36
40
39:36
to
39:37
44
39:37
of
39:37
the
39:37
ones
39:38
I
39:38
like
39:38
which
39:39
I've
39:39
actually
39:39
already
39:39
done.
39:40
I've
39:40
got
39:40
the
39:40
document
39:41
right
39:41
there
39:42
of
39:43
the
39:43
two
39:43
headed
39:43
neck
39:44
and
39:46
the
39:46
process
39:46
really
39:47
is
39:47
like
39:48
I
39:48
said,
39:48
I
39:48
see
39:48
an
39:48
animal
39:49
that
39:49
I
39:49
find
39:49
interesting
39:50
and
39:50
I
39:50
think
39:50
about
39:50
it
39:50
for
39:51
a
39:51
while.
39:52
I
39:52
write
39:52
a
39:52
longer
39:53
poem
39:53
and
39:54
then
39:54
I
39:54
just
39:54
hone
39:54
it
39:55
down
39:55
and
39:55
hone
39:55
it
39:55
down
39:55
and
39:55
hone
39:56
it
39:56
down
39:56
until
39:56
I
39:56
can
39:56
get.
39:56
I
39:57
try
39:57
to
39:57
get
39:57
it
39:57
within
39:58
12
39:58
or
39:58
15
39:58
words
39:59
and
39:59
four
40:00
to
40:00
five
40:00
lines.
40:00
Some
40:01
of
40:01
them
40:01
are
40:01
only
40:01
three
40:01
lines.
40:02
And
40:03
I
40:03
think
40:03
that
40:03
helps
40:04
with
40:04
the
40:04
younger
40:04
kids
40:04
because
40:05
in
40:05
my
40:05
books
40:05
are
40:05
A
40:06
three
40:06
year
40:06
old
40:06
can
40:06
enjoy
40:07
my
40:07
book
40:07
I
40:07
think
40:07
as
40:08
well
40:08
as
40:08
an
40:08
11
40:08
year
40:09
old.
40:09
And
40:09
I
40:09
try
40:10
to
40:10
use
40:11
words
40:11
and
40:11
things
40:12
that
40:12
the
40:12
kids
40:12
may
40:12
let
40:13
not
40:13
be
40:13
familiar
40:14
with.
40:14
I
40:14
wrote
40:14
one
40:14
about
40:14
the
40:15
cayman
40:15
which
40:15
is.
40:16
The
40:17
cayman
40:17
has
40:17
a
40:17
membrane
40:18
that
40:18
nictitates
40:18
to
40:19
better
40:19
underwater
40:19
sear
40:20
dates.
40:20
Oh,
40:20
there's
40:20
another
40:20
Miranda
40:21
picture
40:21
too
40:21
of
40:22
the
40:22
underwater
40:22
date
40:23
of
40:23
the
40:23
cayman.
40:24
And
40:25
I
40:25
figure
40:25
that
40:26
no
40:26
kid
40:27
knows
40:27
what
40:27
the
40:27
word
40:27
nictitate
40:28
means.
40:28
It's
40:28
like
40:28
a
40:28
membrane
40:29
over
40:29
your
40:29
amphibianside
40:30
that
40:30
keeps
40:30
the
40:30
water
40:31
out.
40:31
But
40:31
if
40:31
they
40:31
read
40:31
it
40:32
in
40:32
the
40:32
book
40:32
they're
40:32
going
40:32
to
40:32
want
40:33
to
40:33
know
40:33
what
40:33
it
40:33
means.
40:33
And
40:34
plus
40:34
nictitating
40:34
is
40:35
just
40:35
a
40:35
fun
40:35
thing
40:35
to
40:35
say.
40:36
We
40:36
got
40:36
to
40:36
give
40:36
kids
40:37
a
40:37
lot
40:37
more
40:38
credit
40:38
for
40:38
their
40:38
intelligence.
40:40
That's
40:40
right.
40:40
Kids
40:41
are
40:41
curious
40:41
and
40:41
it's
40:42
a
40:42
definitely
40:43
an
40:43
inner
40:43
city,
40:43
lower
40:44
income
40:44
type
40:44
school
40:45
there.
40:45
They
40:45
don't
40:46
have
40:46
a
40:46
lot
40:46
of
40:46
resources.
40:47
Although
40:47
it's
40:47
a
40:47
very
40:47
nice
40:48
campus
40:48
and
40:48
I
40:48
have
40:48
to
40:48
say
40:49
the
40:49
principal
40:50
takes
40:50
really
40:50
good
40:50
care
40:50
of
40:51
it.
40:51
Yeah.
40:51
And
40:51
it's
40:52
influenced
40:53
so
40:53
especially
40:54
children
40:54
influenced
40:55
by
40:55
so
40:55
much
40:56
more
40:56
today
40:57
like
40:57
you
40:57
were
40:57
talking
40:58
about.
40:58
Yes.
40:59
And
41:00
like
41:00
you
41:00
said,
41:00
when
41:01
you
41:01
started
41:01
in
41:02
the
41:02
industry
41:03
there
41:03
was
41:03
three
41:03
television
41:04
stations
41:05
retired.
41:06
There's
41:06
over
41:06
15
41:07
broadcasting
41:08
services.
41:09
And
41:09
that
41:09
doesn't
41:10
include
41:10
all
41:10
the
41:11
streaming.
41:11
Stuff
41:11
that's
41:12
going
41:12
on.
41:12
There's
41:12
1500
41:13
streamings.
41:14
You
41:14
can
41:14
watch
41:15
anything
41:15
you
41:15
want.
41:15
It's
41:16
crazy.
41:16
Children
41:16
are
41:16
exposed
41:17
to
41:17
it
41:17
all
41:17
the
41:17
time.
41:18
So
41:18
they're
41:18
hearing
41:19
words
41:19
that
41:20
maybe
41:21
you
41:21
would
41:21
think
41:21
oh,
41:22
I
41:22
don't
41:22
know
41:23
what
41:23
that
41:23
word
41:23
is.
41:23
But
41:24
a
41:24
lot
41:24
of
41:24
times.
41:26
And
41:26
another
41:27
thing
41:27
I
41:27
find
41:27
about
41:27
kids
41:28
and
41:28
morgies
41:28
they're
41:28
very
41:28
curious.
41:29
If
41:29
they
41:29
heard
41:30
a
41:30
word
41:30
they
41:30
don't
41:30
know,
41:31
they
41:31
want
41:31
to
41:31
know
41:32
what
41:32
it
41:32
means
41:32
right
41:32
away.
41:32
They
41:33
don't
41:33
want
41:33
to
41:33
wait.
41:35
When
41:35
you're
41:35
doing
41:36
your
41:36
writing,
41:37
and
41:38
I
41:38
know
41:38
you
41:38
draw
41:39
on,
41:39
on
41:39
your.
41:39
Some
41:39
of
41:40
your
41:40
own
41:40
personal
41:40
experience,
41:41
but
41:41
are
41:42
you
41:42
doing
41:42
any
41:42
additional
41:43
research
41:44
as
41:44
you.
41:44
Yes,
41:45
I
41:45
will.
41:46
I'll
41:46
find
41:46
the
41:46
animal
41:47
on
41:47
Wikipedia
41:47
or.
41:48
It's
41:48
all.
41:48
Like
41:48
I
41:48
said,
41:48
it's
41:49
all
41:49
digital.
41:50
I
41:50
don't
41:50
go
41:50
to
41:50
the
41:51
library
41:51
that
41:51
much
41:51
anymore
41:52
for
41:52
books,
41:52
but.
41:52
And
41:53
I
41:53
tried
41:53
to
41:53
read
41:53
about
41:53
it,
41:53
like
41:54
I
41:54
say,
41:54
about
41:54
its
41:54
habitat,
41:55
its
41:55
diet,
41:57
its
41:57
appearance,
41:58
how
41:58
it
41:58
lives
41:58
and
41:59
moves
41:59
through
41:59
the
41:59
world
41:59
and
41:59
where
42:00
it
42:00
lives.
42:01
And
42:01
I
42:01
try
42:02
to
42:02
incorporate
42:02
all
42:02
that
42:02
stuff
42:03
into
42:03
the
42:04
very
42:04
short
42:05
three
42:05
or
42:05
four
42:05
line
42:05
poem
42:06
that
42:06
I
42:06
can
42:06
get.
42:06
You
42:06
know
42:06
what,
42:07
it's
42:07
a
42:07
very
42:07
unique.
42:08
Writing
42:09
style
42:09
and
42:09
I
42:10
love
42:10
that
42:10
you're
42:10
sharing
42:11
this
42:11
because
42:12
everybody
42:12
has
42:12
their
42:13
own
42:13
idea.
42:14
I
42:14
would
42:14
definitely
42:14
say
42:15
to
42:15
any
42:15
other
42:15
author,
42:17
read
42:17
all
42:17
you
42:18
can
42:18
of
42:18
children's
42:18
authors,
42:19
but
42:19
don't
42:19
copy
42:19
anybody.
42:20
Just
42:20
write
42:20
what
42:20
you
42:21
know
42:21
yourself.
42:22
And
42:22
I
42:22
know
42:22
it's
42:22
a
42:22
cliche
42:23
and
42:23
people
42:23
hear
42:23
all
42:23
the
42:24
time,
42:24
but
42:24
it's
42:24
so
42:25
true.
42:25
If
42:25
you're
42:26
not
42:26
true
42:26
to
42:26
yourself,
42:26
it's
42:27
going
42:27
to
42:27
show
42:27
up
42:27
on
42:27
the
42:27
page.
42:28
And
42:28
I
42:28
couldn't
42:29
agree
42:29
with
42:29
you
42:29
more
42:29
because
42:30
with
42:30
five
42:30
of
42:31
my
42:31
grandchildren
42:32
are
42:32
now
42:32
involved
42:33
in
42:33
some
42:33
way
42:34
and
42:36
books
42:36
and
42:36
my
42:37
middle
42:37
granddaughter
42:38
was
42:39
the
42:39
co
42:39
author.
42:40
We
42:40
wrote
42:40
our
42:40
second
42:41
book
42:41
which
42:41
is
42:42
in
42:42
the
42:42
Adventures
42:43
of
42:43
Caboose
42:43
the
42:43
Rocky
42:44
Mountain
42:44
Bear,
42:44
but
42:44
it's
42:45
called
42:45
Hijinks
42:46
from
42:46
the
42:46
Big
42:46
Head
42:46
Folk
42:47
Music
42:47
Festival.
42:48
And
42:49
you
42:49
can
42:49
see
42:49
all
42:50
the
42:50
animals,
42:50
but
42:51
we
42:51
do
42:51
mix
42:51
in
42:51
the
42:52
humans.
42:53
And
42:53
the
42:53
other
42:53
thing
42:54
is
42:54
her
42:54
name
42:55
is
42:55
Bailey
42:55
and
42:55
she's
42:56
Bailey
42:56
the
42:56
beaver.
42:58
And
42:58
this
42:58
is
42:58
Caboose.
42:59
My
43:00
oldest
43:00
granddaughter's
43:01
name
43:01
is
43:01
Kira.
43:02
Starts
43:02
with
43:02
a
43:03
K.
43:03
Our
43:03
Caboose
43:04
starts
43:05
with
43:05
a
43:05
K.
43:07
And
43:07
like
43:07
you
43:08
said,
43:08
with
43:08
the
43:08
animals
43:09
and
43:09
involving
43:09
your
43:10
grandchildren,
43:11
even
43:12
though
43:12
it's
43:13
costly
43:13
to
43:13
publish
43:14
them
43:14
into
43:14
print,
43:15
I've
43:15
had
43:15
my
43:16
grandchildren
43:17
narrate
43:17
about
43:18
half
43:18
the
43:18
books.
43:19
We
43:19
have
43:19
audiobooks
43:20
with
43:21
their
43:21
young
43:21
voices
43:22
reading
43:22
the
43:23
stories.
43:24
Speaking
43:25
of
43:25
audiobooks,
43:26
I'm
43:27
not
43:27
sure
43:27
how
43:27
my
43:27
stuff
43:28
would
43:28
lend
43:28
itself
43:29
to
43:29
that,
43:29
but
43:29
it's
43:29
definitely
43:30
something
43:30
I'm
43:30
looking
43:30
into.
43:31
And
43:32
we're
43:32
doing
43:32
an
43:32
audiobook
43:33
with
43:33
a
43:33
baseball
43:33
book
43:34
which
43:34
is
43:34
going
43:35
to
43:35
have
43:35
sound
43:36
effects
43:36
of
43:36
the
43:36
bad
43:37
and
43:37
the
43:37
mid
43:37
and
43:37
the
43:38
crowd.
43:38
Wow.
43:38
What
43:39
a
43:39
great
43:39
idea.
43:40
There's
43:40
467
43:41
pages,
43:41
so
43:41
we've
43:42
been
43:42
working
43:42
on
43:42
that
43:42
for
43:42
a
43:43
while.
43:43
Whoa.
43:44
But
43:45
it's
43:45
gonna,
43:45
it's
43:45
gonna
43:46
come
43:46
out
43:46
soon.
43:47
When
43:47
you
43:47
got
43:47
into
43:47
this
43:48
thing,
43:49
I
43:49
wanna
43:49
Take
43:49
you
43:50
back
43:50
to
43:50
your
43:50
first
43:50
book,
43:51
and
43:51
then
43:51
I'll.
43:52
And
43:52
then
43:52
bring
43:52
you
43:52
forward.
43:53
So
43:54
when
43:54
you
43:54
first
43:54
started
43:55
out,
43:56
what
43:56
was
43:56
your
43:57
vision
43:58
of
43:58
success?
43:58
What
43:59
was
43:59
your
43:59
success
44:00
measurement?
44:01
How
44:01
did
44:01
you
44:01
view
44:01
that,
44:02
and
44:02
how
44:02
has
44:03
it
44:03
changed
44:03
over
44:04
the
44:04
years?
44:05
My
44:05
vision
44:06
of
44:06
success
44:06
for
44:07
the
44:07
first
44:07
one
44:07
was
44:08
just
44:08
that
44:08
I
44:08
could
44:08
have
44:08
enough
44:09
books
44:09
to
44:09
send
44:09
to
44:09
my
44:09
friends.
44:11
Okay,
44:11
so
44:12
have
44:12
it
44:12
in
44:12
your
44:12
hand.
44:13
Open
44:13
it
44:13
up.
44:13
And
44:14
then.
44:14
Okay,
44:15
and
44:15
now,
44:16
so
44:17
bring
44:17
us
44:17
forward
44:17
to
44:18
your
44:18
fourth
44:18
book
44:18
and
44:19
fifth
44:19
book.
44:19
As
44:20
I've
44:20
retired
44:21
and
44:21
started
44:21
to
44:21
get
44:22
into
44:22
it
44:22
as
44:22
a
44:22
business,
44:23
I
44:23
really
44:23
try
44:24
to
44:24
sell
44:24
at
44:24
least
44:24
one
44:24
or
44:25
two
44:25
or
44:25
three
44:25
a
44:25
week,
44:27
which
44:27
is
44:27
doable.
44:28
And
44:28
some
44:28
weeks
44:29
I
44:29
have
44:29
more.
44:29
Like
44:30
after
44:30
this
44:31
podcast,
44:31
I
44:31
expect
44:31
I'll
44:32
sell
44:32
about
44:32
15
44:32
or
44:33
20.
44:33
And
44:34
it
44:34
builds
44:34
too,
44:34
because
44:35
the
44:35
more,
44:36
like
44:36
I
44:36
said,
44:36
the
44:36
publicist
44:37
is
44:37
going
44:37
to
44:37
get
44:37
me
44:37
on,
44:38
I
44:38
think,
44:38
25
44:39
or
44:39
30
44:39
podcasts,
44:40
radio
44:40
shows,
44:41
and
44:41
some
44:42
TV.
44:42
You're
44:42
about
44:42
my
44:43
12th
44:43
or
44:43
13,
44:44
and
44:45
it's
44:45
been
44:45
picking
44:45
up
44:46
so
44:46
terrific.
44:47
Yeah.
44:47
And
44:47
you
44:47
know
44:48
what?
44:48
Again,
44:48
it's
44:48
all
44:49
about
44:49
that
44:50
exposure
44:51
because.
44:51
And
44:52
here's
44:52
the
44:52
amazing
44:53
thing.
44:53
When
44:53
I
44:54
first
44:54
started
44:55
this
44:56
podcast
44:56
show,
44:57
I
44:57
was
44:57
a
44:58
first,
44:58
I
44:58
was
44:58
a
44:59
published
44:59
children's
44:59
book
45:00
author.
45:00
That's
45:00
the
45:01
first
45:01
thing
45:01
I
45:01
did.
45:01
And
45:01
then
45:02
I
45:02
thought,
45:02
okay,
45:03
how
45:03
do
45:03
I
45:03
create
45:04
a
45:04
voice
45:04
for
45:05
myself?
45:06
And
45:06
I
45:07
settled
45:07
on
45:07
podcasting,
45:08
and
45:08
I
45:08
thought,
45:09
I'm
45:09
going
45:09
to
45:09
just
45:09
talk
45:10
to
45:10
other
45:10
published
45:11
children.
45:12
That's
45:12
a
45:12
great,
45:13
great
45:13
concept.
45:13
I
45:14
love
45:14
it.
45:14
And
45:14
learn
45:15
about
45:15
the
45:15
whole
45:16
thing
45:16
and
45:16
have
45:16
them
45:17
share
45:17
their
45:17
story
45:18
and
45:18
their
45:18
book.
45:18
And
45:19
you'll
45:19
probably
45:20
notice
45:20
even
45:21
when
45:21
you
45:21
go
45:21
to
45:21
our.
45:22
Go
45:22
to
45:22
our
45:22
podcast
45:23
show,
45:23
whether
45:23
you
45:23
go
45:23
to
45:24
Apple
45:24
or
45:25
Spotify
45:26
or
45:26
Amazon,
45:27
I
45:27
use
45:27
Apple.
45:27
And
45:28
you'll
45:28
notice
45:28
that
45:29
I
45:29
use
45:30
everyone's
45:31
book
45:31
cover
45:32
as
45:32
our
45:33
podcast
45:33
cover.
45:34
And
45:35
so
45:35
I.
45:35
Which
45:36
I
45:36
think
45:36
is
45:36
a
45:36
little
45:37
unique
45:37
in
45:37
itself,
45:38
when
45:38
we're
45:39
promoting
45:39
your
45:39
book,
45:40
we're
45:40
promoting
45:40
your
45:40
book.
45:41
And
45:42
it's
45:42
so
45:42
true
45:43
that
45:44
things
45:44
build.
45:45
Right.
45:45
You
45:45
can't
45:46
just
45:46
expect
45:46
anything
45:46
to
45:47
happen
45:47
overnight.
45:47
It
45:47
has
45:47
to
45:48
snowball.
45:48
Bill
45:49
Gates
45:49
started
45:49
in
45:49
a
45:50
garage.
45:51
That's
45:51
just
45:51
the
45:51
way
45:52
of
45:52
the
45:52
world,
45:52
right?
45:53
Yeah.
45:53
And
45:53
what
45:53
was
45:53
amazing
45:54
is
45:54
when
45:54
I
45:55
first
45:55
started
45:55
with
45:55
this
45:56
idea,
45:57
our
45:57
first
45:57
nine
45:58
episodes,
46:00
I
46:00
interviewed
46:01
my
46:01
grandchildren
46:02
because
46:02
they're
46:02
co
46:03
authors
46:03
in
46:03
our
46:04
stories.
46:05
So
46:05
I
46:05
interviewed
46:05
them.
46:05
That's
46:06
a
46:06
great
46:06
way
46:06
to
46:06
start.
46:07
Yeah.
46:07
And
46:08
then
46:09
by
46:09
the
46:09
time
46:09
we
46:10
had
46:10
nine
46:10
episodes
46:11
published,
46:12
I
46:12
had
46:13
publicists
46:14
like,
46:14
you're
46:14
talking
46:15
about
46:15
reaching
46:16
out
46:16
and
46:16
saying,
46:16
can
46:17
I
46:17
get
46:17
my
46:17
children's
46:18
book
46:18
Exactly.
46:19
On
46:19
your
46:19
show.
46:19
And
46:20
then
46:21
it
46:21
took
46:21
off,
46:21
and
46:22
now
46:22
we're
46:22
listening
46:23
to
46:24
in
46:24
38
46:25
different
46:25
countries.
46:26
That
46:26
is
46:26
amazing.
46:27
It
46:27
all
46:27
just
46:27
started
46:28
from
46:28
interviewing
46:28
your
46:28
grandchildren.
46:29
Yeah,
46:30
it's.
46:31
Yeah,
46:31
absolutely.
46:32
So
46:32
I.
46:33
Anyways,
46:33
I
46:33
appreciate
46:34
that.
46:34
And
46:34
it's
46:35
funny
46:35
you
46:35
talked
46:35
about
46:36
how
46:36
you
46:36
got
46:37
into
46:37
it.
46:37
You
46:37
were
46:38
influenced
46:38
by
46:38
your
46:38
grandson
46:40
and
46:41
that's
46:41
what's
46:41
happened
46:41
with
46:42
us.
46:42
Is
46:42
that
46:43
this
46:43
influenced
46:44
by
46:44
the
46:45
love
46:45
of
46:45
your
46:45
children
46:46
or
46:46
your
46:46
grandchildren?
46:47
It's
46:47
pretty
46:47
amazing.
46:48
The
46:48
role
46:48
of
46:49
writing.
46:51
Now
46:51
that
46:51
you're
46:51
working
46:51
on
46:52
your
46:52
fifth
46:52
book,
46:53
how
46:53
has
46:53
it
46:54
changed
46:54
your
46:54
life?
46:55
Think
46:56
back
46:56
about
46:56
when
46:56
you
46:57
never
46:57
even
46:57
had
46:57
your
46:58
first
46:58
one.
46:58
And
46:59
here
46:59
you
46:59
are
46:59
now,
47:00
you're
47:00
about
47:00
to
47:00
publish
47:01
your
47:01
fifth
47:02
children's
47:02
book,
47:03
not
47:03
including
47:03
the
47:03
other
47:04
books.
47:04
Talk
47:05
to
47:05
us
47:05
about
47:05
how
47:06
that's
47:07
worked
47:07
its
47:07
way
47:07
into
47:08
your
47:08
life.
47:09
It's
47:09
been
47:09
so
47:09
great
47:10
because
47:11
in
47:11
my
47:11
television
47:12
career
47:12
everything
47:13
was.
47:13
We
47:13
would
47:13
say
47:13
in
47:14
scripted,
47:14
you
47:14
write
47:14
the
47:15
script
47:15
and
47:15
shoot
47:15
the
47:15
show.
47:16
In
47:16
reality,
47:16
you
47:16
shoot
47:17
the
47:17
show
47:17
and
47:17
write
47:17
the
47:17
script.
47:18
And
47:18
so
47:19
the
47:19
television
47:20
business
47:20
kind
47:20
of
47:21
forced
47:21
me
47:21
into
47:22
a
47:22
funnel
47:24
of
47:24
the
47:24
process
47:25
was
47:25
really
47:26
cut
47:26
and
47:26
dried.
47:27
Whereas
47:28
as
47:29
an
47:29
author,
47:29
I
47:30
can
47:30
just
47:30
do
47:30
whatever
47:30
I
47:30
want.
47:31
It's
47:31
great.
47:31
I
47:32
don't
47:32
have
47:32
to.
47:32
I
47:32
don't.
47:33
I'm
47:33
not
47:33
constricted
47:34
by
47:34
those
47:34
parameters
47:35
that
47:35
the
47:35
TV
47:36
industry
47:36
constricts
47:37
on
47:37
you.
47:38
So
47:38
that's
47:38
one
47:38
way
47:38
it's
47:39
changed
47:39
in
47:39
a
47:39
huge
47:39
way
47:39
that
47:40
I
47:40
feel
47:40
much
47:41
freer.
47:41
And
47:42
I
47:42
don't
47:42
have
47:42
to
47:42
work
47:43
at
47:43
60
47:43
hour
47:43
week
47:43
anymore.
47:44
I
47:44
can
47:44
work
47:45
two
47:45
hours
47:45
a
47:45
day
47:45
and
47:45
no
47:46
hours
47:46
tomorrow
47:46
and
47:46
five
47:47
hours
47:47
on
47:47
Friday.
47:47
Doesn't
47:48
matter.
47:48
Have
47:49
you
47:49
ever
47:49
tried
47:49
any
47:50
system
47:50
at
47:51
all
47:51
and
47:51
how
47:51
much
47:52
time
47:52
you're
47:53
dedicating
47:53
to
47:54
writing
47:54
or
47:55
whatever?
47:55
The.
47:56
It's
47:56
totally
47:57
one
47:57
of
47:57
the
47:57
one
47:57
that
47:57
fancy
47:58
strikes
47:58
me.
47:58
I
47:58
might
47:59
go
47:59
for
47:59
three
47:59
days
47:59
without
47:59
doing
48:00
anything
48:00
and
48:00
I
48:00
might
48:01
write
48:02
15
48:02
in
48:02
one
48:03
day.
48:03
It
48:03
just
48:04
depends
48:04
on
48:04
how
48:04
I
48:05
wake
48:05
up
48:05
in
48:05
the
48:05
morning.
48:06
No,
48:06
it's
48:07
amazing.
48:07
It's
48:07
amazing.
48:08
So
48:08
good
48:08
for
48:09
you.
48:10
Advice
48:11
for
48:11
aspiring
48:12
book
48:12
authors.
48:13
What
48:13
kind
48:13
of
48:13
advice
48:14
would
48:14
you
48:14
give
48:14
to
48:15
an
48:15
aspiring
48:16
book
48:16
author
48:16
who
48:16
wants
48:17
to
48:17
get
48:17
started?
48:18
Stephen
48:18
King
48:19
said
48:19
it
48:19
the
48:19
best,
48:19
which
48:20
is
48:21
the
48:21
art
48:21
of
48:21
writing
48:22
is
48:22
applying
48:22
a
48:22
seat
48:23
of
48:23
the
48:23
pants
48:23
to
48:23
the
48:23
seat
48:24
of
48:24
the
48:24
chair,
48:25
sit
48:25
down
48:25
and
48:25
do
48:26
it.
48:26
And
48:26
it's
48:27
only
48:27
a
48:27
first
48:27
draft.
48:28
You
48:28
can
48:28
always
48:28
redo
48:29
it.
48:29
Writing
48:29
is
48:29
editing
48:30
and
48:30
editing.
48:30
And
48:31
like
48:31
I
48:31
said,
48:32
with
48:32
my
48:32
stuff,
48:32
I
48:33
start
48:33
longer
48:33
and
48:33
just
48:33
hone
48:34
it
48:34
down
48:34
and
48:34
hone
48:34
it
48:35
down
48:35
till
48:35
I
48:35
get
48:36
the
48:36
very
48:36
essence
48:37
of
48:37
it.
48:37
And
48:37
it
48:37
doesn't
48:38
have
48:38
to
48:38
be.
48:38
Like
48:39
I
48:39
said,
48:39
the
48:39
first
48:39
draft
48:40
is
48:40
the
48:40
first
48:40
draft.
48:41
It
48:41
doesn't
48:41
have
48:41
to
48:41
be
48:41
perfect
48:42
the
48:42
first
48:42
time.
48:42
The
48:42
most
48:43
important
48:43
thing
48:43
is
48:43
to
48:43
get
48:43
it
48:44
down
48:44
so
48:45
you
48:45
have
48:45
Something
48:46
to
48:46
work
48:46
on.
48:46
If
48:46
you.
48:47
If
48:47
all
48:47
you
48:47
have
48:47
is
48:47
a
48:47
blank
48:48
sheet
48:48
of
48:48
paper,
48:48
you
48:48
don't
48:48
have
48:49
anything.
48:49
I
48:49
say
48:50
to
48:50
people
48:50
that
48:51
the
48:51
neat
48:51
thing
48:51
about
48:52
being
48:52
an
48:53
indie
48:53
publisher
48:54
is
48:55
that
48:56
nothing
48:57
is
48:57
ever
48:58
etched
48:58
in
48:58
stone.
48:59
That's
49:00
right.
49:00
That's
49:00
exactly
49:01
right.
49:01
If
49:01
you
49:01
go
49:01
back
49:02
to
49:02
your
49:02
second
49:02
book,
49:03
you
49:03
might
49:03
say,
49:03
oh,
49:03
I
49:04
think
49:04
I'm
49:04
going
49:04
to.
49:04
I
49:04
want
49:04
to
49:05
change
49:05
a
49:05
word
49:05
or
49:05
two.
49:06
Guess
49:06
what?
49:07
You
49:07
can
49:07
change
49:08
a
49:08
word
49:08
or
49:08
two
49:08
of
49:09
all
49:09
the
49:09
files
49:10
and
49:10
then
49:11
nobody
49:11
knows.
49:12
Nobody
49:13
knows
49:13
it's
49:13
been
49:13
changed.
49:14
Yeah.
49:14
It's
49:15
amazing.
49:15
I
49:16
did
49:16
it
49:16
with
49:16
the
49:16
covers
49:16
because
49:17
I've
49:17
done.
49:18
Like
49:18
I
49:18
said,
49:18
the
49:18
covers
49:19
were
49:19
such
49:19
a
49:19
hard
49:19
process,
49:20
and
49:20
I
49:20
finally
49:21
just
49:21
outsourced
49:21
it,
49:22
and
49:22
then
49:22
they
49:22
put
49:22
all
49:22
new
49:22
covers
49:23
on
49:23
everything.
49:24
One
49:24
of
49:24
the
49:24
things
49:24
I
49:25
learned
49:25
is
49:25
I
49:25
was
49:25
listening
49:26
to
49:26
a
49:26
podcast
49:26
show
49:27
and
49:28
they
49:28
said,
49:29
do
49:30
you
49:30
have
49:30
a
49:30
book
49:30
plate
49:31
in
49:31
your
49:31
book?
49:32
And
49:33
I
49:33
thought,
49:33
what
49:33
the
49:33
hell's
49:34
a
49:34
book?
49:34
Yeah.
49:35
What
49:35
is
49:35
a
49:35
book
49:35
plate?
49:35
Yeah.
49:36
And.
49:36
And
49:36
I'm
49:37
going
49:37
to
49:37
show
49:37
you.
49:37
So
49:38
a
49:38
book
49:38
plate
49:38
is
49:39
actually.
49:40
So
49:40
if
49:40
you
49:41
have
49:41
a
49:41
look
49:41
here.
49:41
Now,
49:42
I
49:42
know
49:42
our
49:42
listening
49:42
audience
49:43
can't
49:43
see.
49:44
I
49:44
like
49:44
this.
49:45
I
49:45
should
49:45
have
49:45
that.
49:45
Yeah,
49:45
that's
49:46
good.
49:46
So
49:46
it's
49:46
a
49:46
section
49:47
that
49:48
allows
49:48
parents,
49:49
or
49:49
anyone
49:50
who's
49:50
given
49:50
the
49:51
book
49:51
as
49:51
a
49:52
gift
49:52
to
49:53
have
49:54
a
49:54
place
49:54
to
49:54
formally
49:55
write
49:56
a
49:56
message
49:56
to
49:57
the
49:57
child.
49:57
Yeah.
49:58
See,
49:58
here's
49:58
the
49:58
first
49:58
page
49:59
of
49:59
my
49:59
book.
49:59
It's
49:59
just
50:00
a
50:00
picture
50:00
and
50:00
a.
50:01
Yeah.
50:02
So
50:03
you
50:03
could
50:03
actually
50:04
print
50:04
it
50:04
on
50:04
the
50:05
inside
50:05
cover
50:06
or
50:06
you
50:06
could.
50:07
I
50:07
don't
50:07
know
50:07
what's
50:07
on
50:08
the
50:08
second.
50:08
Page,
50:09
but
50:09
yeah,
50:10
I
50:10
think
50:11
with
50:11
that
50:11
one,
50:11
I
50:11
do
50:12
a
50:12
couple
50:12
of
50:12
blank
50:12
pages
50:12
here
50:13
and
50:13
there,
50:13
so
50:13
maybe
50:13
I
50:13
can.
50:14
Yeah.
50:15
Anyways,
50:15
I
50:15
throw
50:16
that
50:16
out
50:16
at
50:16
you.
50:17
The
50:17
nice
50:17
thing
50:17
about
50:18
it,
50:18
the
50:18
first,
50:19
I
50:19
don't
50:19
know
50:19
how
50:19
many
50:20
copies
50:20
we.
50:20
Sold
50:21
didn't
50:22
have
50:22
it.
50:23
But
50:23
then
50:23
we.
50:23
When
50:24
we
50:24
did
50:24
our
50:24
second
50:25
book,
50:26
you
50:26
know
50:26
what?
50:26
Guess
50:27
what?
50:27
We
50:27
added
50:28
it
50:28
in
50:28
here.
50:29
That's
50:29
the
50:29
neat
50:30
thing
50:30
about
50:30
being
50:31
independently
50:32
published,
50:32
is
50:33
that.
50:33
Yes.
50:33
And
50:34
since
50:34
I
50:34
do
50:34
all
50:34
the
50:34
formatting
50:35
myself,
50:36
it's
50:36
a
50:36
really
50:36
simple
50:37
thing
50:37
for
50:37
me
50:37
to
50:37
do
50:38
because
50:38
I
50:38
just
50:39
hit
50:39
add
50:39
page.
50:40
Wherever
50:41
you
50:41
want
50:41
to
50:41
add
50:41
the
50:41
page,
50:41
you
50:41
can
50:41
add
50:42
in
50:42
a
50:42
blank
50:42
page
50:42
and
50:42
put
50:42
anything
50:43
on.
50:43
And
50:44
I'm
50:44
thinking
50:44
about
50:45
how
50:45
you've
50:45
got.
50:46
I
50:46
was
50:46
thinking
50:47
about
50:47
the
50:47
book
50:47
plate
50:48
for
50:48
you,
50:48
especially
50:48
when
50:49
you.
50:49
You
50:49
develop
50:50
this
50:50
relationship
50:51
with
50:51
a
50:51
certain
50:52
amount
50:52
of
50:52
students
50:53
and
50:53
you
50:53
might
50:53
want
50:54
to
50:54
write
50:54
them
50:54
a
50:54
message
50:55
or
50:55
whatever.
50:56
Anyways,
50:56
it's
50:57
pretty
50:57
incredible.
50:58
Coming
50:58
back
50:58
to
50:59
aspiring
51:00
book
51:00
authors.
51:00
Is
51:00
there
51:01
anything
51:01
else
51:01
you'd
51:02
like
51:02
to
51:02
add
51:02
about?
51:03
What
51:04
if
51:04
you're
51:04
just
51:04
starting
51:05
out,
51:06
I.
51:06
Just
51:06
would
51:06
reiterate,
51:07
just
51:08
do
51:08
it.
51:08
There's
51:09
nothing
51:09
stopping
51:09
you
51:10
from
51:10
doing
51:10
it.
51:10
A
51:11
lot
51:11
of
51:11
people
51:11
probably
51:11
have
51:12
full
51:12
time
51:12
jobs,
51:12
but
51:13
you
51:13
can
51:13
write
51:13
a
51:14
children's
51:14
book
51:14
on
51:14
a
51:14
Saturday
51:16
and
51:16
if
51:16
it's
51:16
a
51:17
first
51:17
draft,
51:17
you
51:17
can
51:18
next
51:18
Saturday
51:18
you
51:18
can
51:18
make
51:19
it
51:19
better.
51:19
And
51:20
the
51:20
Saturday
51:20
for
51:20
that,
51:20
you
51:20
can
51:21
make
51:21
it
51:21
better.
51:22
Don't
51:22
constrain
51:22
yourself
51:23
to
51:23
hard
51:24
deadlines
51:24
because
51:26
that's
51:26
just
51:26
stressful,
51:27
in
51:28
my
51:28
opinion.
51:28
And
51:29
you
51:29
want
51:29
to
51:29
be.
51:29
You
51:29
want
51:30
the
51:30
whole
51:30
process
51:30
to
51:30
be
51:30
as
51:31
stress
51:31
free
51:31
as
51:31
possible.
51:32
Encouragement
51:33
for
51:33
readers.
51:34
So
51:35
why
51:35
should
51:36
children's
51:36
book
51:37
readers
51:37
purchase
51:37
your
51:38
books?
51:38
Because.
51:40
My
51:40
poems
51:41
are
51:41
very
51:41
succinct
51:42
and
51:42
very
51:42
short
51:42
and
51:43
very
51:43
accessible
51:44
for
51:44
kids.
51:45
And
51:45
they
51:45
always
51:46
include,
51:46
like
51:46
I
51:47
said,
51:47
some
51:48
version
51:48
of
51:48
their
51:48
habitat
51:49
or
51:49
what
51:49
they
51:50
eat
51:50
or
51:50
how
51:50
they
51:51
live
51:51
or
51:52
some
51:52
part
51:52
of
51:52
their
51:52
anatomy.
51:53
Like
51:54
the
51:54
Paedophryne
51:55
ambuensis
51:56
is
51:56
such
51:56
a
51:56
small
51:56
frog.
51:57
And
51:57
she
51:57
did
51:57
the
51:57
illustration
51:58
of
51:58
the
51:59
frog
51:59
on
51:59
top
51:59
of
51:59
a
52:00
quarter
52:00
so
52:00
they
52:00
can
52:00
see
52:01
what
52:01
it's
52:01
like.
52:01
The
52:01
illustrations
52:02
always
52:03
go
52:04
along
52:04
with
52:04
the
52:04
pontchalike,
52:06
I
52:06
think.
52:06
In
52:06
my
52:06
first
52:06
book
52:07
I
52:07
wrote
52:08
the
52:08
gorilla
52:09
likes
52:09
to
52:10
beat
52:10
his
52:10
chest
52:10
to
52:10
prove
52:11
to
52:11
the
52:11
world
52:11
that
52:11
he's
52:11
the
52:12
best.
52:12
And
52:12
my
52:12
nephew
52:13
did
52:13
a
52:13
picture
52:13
of
52:13
a
52:13
gorilla
52:14
beating
52:14
his
52:14
chest.
52:14
So
52:15
that
52:15
was
52:15
fun.
52:15
And
52:15
the
52:16
other
52:16
thing
52:16
about
52:16
my
52:16
books
52:17
is
52:17
you
52:17
have
52:17
to.
52:17
They're
52:18
not
52:18
linear.
52:18
You
52:18
can
52:18
open
52:19
to
52:19
any
52:19
page
52:19
and
52:19
read
52:20
a
52:20
poem
52:20
or
52:20
you
52:20
can
52:21
just
52:21
take
52:21
the
52:21
afternoon
52:22
to
52:22
do
52:22
the
52:22
do
52:22
it
52:22
yourself
52:22
section
52:23
or
52:23
whatever
52:23
you
52:23
want.
52:23
There's
52:24
no
52:24
start
52:24
or
52:24
no
52:24
finish.
52:25
Absolutely.
52:26
And
52:26
the
52:26
neat
52:26
thing
52:27
about
52:27
it
52:27
is,
52:28
again,
52:28
it's
52:29
just
52:29
like
52:29
children
52:30
drawing
52:30
their
52:31
favorite
52:31
animal.
52:32
There's
52:32
certain
52:33
pages
52:33
that
52:33
I'm
52:34
sure
52:34
children
52:35
will
52:35
gravitate
52:36
to
52:36
and
52:36
that'll
52:36
be
52:37
their.
52:37
Favorite
52:38
page,
52:39
I
52:39
would
52:39
think.
52:39
And
52:40
then
52:40
like
52:40
I
52:40
said,
52:40
the
52:41
most
52:41
drawn
52:42
animal
52:43
of
52:43
the
52:43
kids
52:43
at
52:43
the
52:43
school
52:43
was
52:44
the
52:44
axolotl.
52:46
And
52:46
I
52:46
couldn't
52:46
run.
52:47
Axolotl
52:47
poem.
52:48
I'll
52:48
read
52:48
it
52:48
to
52:48
you.
52:49
The
52:49
axolotl
52:50
can
52:50
regrow
52:50
his
52:51
brain,
52:51
which
52:51
is
52:51
a
52:51
handy
52:52
thing
52:52
for
52:52
an
52:52
axolotl.
52:54
And
52:54
this
52:54
is
52:54
the
52:55
one
52:55
I
52:55
use.
52:55
You
52:55
can
52:55
see
52:55
that.
52:57
Oh
52:57
yes,
52:58
that's
52:58
very
52:59
whimsical.
52:59
And
53:00
some
53:00
of
53:00
these
53:00
kids.
53:00
I'll
53:01
show
53:01
you
53:01
one
53:01
of
53:01
the.
53:02
This
53:03
is
53:03
the
53:03
toucan
53:03
page.
53:04
You
53:04
can
53:04
see
53:04
the
53:04
one.
53:05
This
53:05
one
53:05
here,
53:06
very
53:06
literal
53:07
and
53:07
this
53:08
one
53:08
here
53:08
is
53:08
very
53:08
whimsical.
53:09
So
53:10
everything
53:10
they
53:11
want,
53:11
pretty
53:11
incredible
53:12
for
53:12
them.
53:13
Rusty,
53:13
final
53:13
thoughts.
53:14
Is
53:14
there
53:14
anything
53:15
you'd
53:15
like
53:15
to
53:15
share
53:15
that
53:16
I
53:16
may
53:17
not
53:17
have
53:17
asked
53:17
you
53:18
a
53:18
question
53:18
about
53:19
your
53:19
experience?
53:21
There
53:21
is
53:21
one
53:21
thing
53:21
I
53:22
do
53:22
like
53:22
to
53:22
always
53:22
share
53:22
is
53:23
that
53:24
what
53:24
kids
53:24
need
53:25
to
53:25
learn
53:25
about
53:25
the
53:25
world
53:26
is
53:26
that
53:27
there's
53:27
a
53:27
hundred
53:27
thousand
53:28
different
53:28
people
53:28
and
53:28
we're
53:29
all
53:29
completely
53:29
interconnected.
53:30
And
53:32
as
53:32
far
53:32
as
53:32
the
53:32
animals
53:33
go,
53:33
you're
53:33
not
53:33
separate
53:34
of
53:34
them.
53:34
You're
53:34
part
53:34
of
53:35
the
53:35
whole
53:35
continuum
53:36
of
53:36
time.
53:37
And
53:37
I
53:37
know
53:37
that
53:38
sounds
53:38
pretty
53:39
grandiose,
53:39
but
53:40
I
53:40
really
53:40
do
53:40
feel
53:40
that
53:41
way.
53:41
Because
53:41
if
53:41
you
53:41
think
53:41
about
53:42
it,
53:42
if
53:42
you're
53:42
eating
53:42
a
53:42
bowl
53:42
of
53:43
Cheerios
53:43
for
53:43
breakfast,
53:43
how
53:44
many
53:44
people
53:45
helped
53:46
you
53:46
get
53:46
that
53:46
bowl
53:46
of
53:47
Cheerios?
53:47
There
53:47
was
53:47
the
53:47
farmers,
53:49
the
53:49
guys
53:49
that
53:49
manufacture
53:50
the
53:50
tracker,
53:51
the
53:51
truck
53:51
drivers,
53:51
the
53:52
people
53:52
that
53:52
manufacture
53:52
the
53:53
trucks,
53:53
the
53:54
traffic
53:54
cops
53:54
that
53:55
have
53:55
the
53:55
stoplights
53:55
to
53:55
get
53:56
you
53:56
to
53:56
the
53:56
grocery
53:57
store,
53:57
the
53:57
grocery
53:57
stores
53:58
that
53:58
are
53:58
built
53:58
by
53:58
carpenters.
53:59
There's
53:59
probably,
54:00
who
54:01
knows,
54:01
a
54:01
hundred
54:01
thousand
54:01
different
54:02
people
54:02
were
54:02
involved
54:03
getting
54:03
you
54:03
your
54:03
old
54:04
Cheerios.
54:04
And
54:04
so
54:05
that's
54:05
what
54:06
I
54:06
hope
54:06
to
54:06
impart
54:06
to
54:07
kids,
54:07
is
54:07
that
54:08
you're
54:08
part
54:08
of
54:09
the
54:09
world
54:09
and
54:09
not
54:09
separate
54:10
from
54:10
it.
54:10
Thank
54:10
you
54:11
for
54:11
that,
54:11
Rusty.
54:12
Thank
54:12
you
54:12
so
54:12
much
54:13
for
54:13
being
54:13
here.
54:13
Thank
54:13
you
54:13
for
54:13
having
54:14
me
54:14
on.
54:14
Oh
54:15
my
54:15
gosh,
54:15
it's
54:15
been
54:15
really
54:15
great
54:15
fun.
54:16
Thanks
54:16
again
54:16
for
54:17
being
54:17
a
54:17
guest
54:17
on
54:17
the
54:18
Adventures
54:18
in
54:18
the
54:18
Heart
54:18
of
54:19
Children's
54:19
Book
54:19
Authors,
54:20
Your
54:20
generosity
54:21
of
54:21
time
54:21
and
54:22
your
54:22
insights.
54:23
I
54:23
love
54:23
it
54:24
because
54:24
you
54:24
had
54:24
a
54:24
different
54:25
approach
54:26
and
54:26
it'll
54:27
significantly
54:27
benefit
54:28
aspiring
54:29
book
54:29
authors
54:30
and
54:30
readers.
54:30
And
54:31
we
54:31
promise
54:32
to
54:32
provide
54:32
our
54:33
audience
54:33
with
54:34
links
54:34
to
54:35
Rusty's
54:36
social
54:36
media
54:36
and
54:37
links
54:37
to
54:37
his
54:38
website.
54:39
The
54:39
website
54:39
is
54:39
rustyaustin.com
54:42
Great.
54:42
And
54:42
we
54:42
will
54:42
definitely
54:43
have
54:43
that
54:43
in
54:43
the
54:43
show.
54:43
Notes
54:44
if
54:44
you've
54:44
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54:45
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54:45
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54:46
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54:46
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54:50
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54:51
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54:52
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54:52
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54:52
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54:53
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54:53
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54:53
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54:54
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54:54
or
54:55
who
54:55
enjoys
54:55
hearing
54:56
about
54:56
Rusty
54:57
and
54:57
his
54:57
children's
54:58
book,
54:58
An
54:59
Awesome
54:59
Bird,
55:00
the
55:00
Pelican.
55:01
Thank
55:01
you,
55:01
Rusty.
55:02
Thank
55:03
you.