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#204 - Piers Morgan vs. Nick Fuentes: Who Came Out on Top? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Nick Fuentes sat down with Piers Morgan yesterday. It was released.
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  It was actually just live.
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  I think that that got pushed because of Nick Fuentes' influence and what he
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  said coming up to the show.
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  He said, I hope it would be live because he thought Piers was going to do it,
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  and then it would be released later, and who knows what would happen.
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  But Piers, like, very good journalist. He pressed Nick in a lot of different
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  ways, and I just wanted to say a few short things about this because it was explosive.
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  I think everybody knew it was going to be explosive.
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  There were so many things that we learned from it. It was an interview that
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  I would say that is unlike anyone that Nick has experienced up until this point
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  because it was extremely mainstream and he was asked and pressed on so many
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  things that he has said and he is on the record.
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  I know we say on the record, but it's like sometimes Nick has been so off the
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  reservation because he's been so blacklisted from everybody.
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  It seems weird to say anything's on the record that he's done because everything
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  that he's set up until this point, it's been on his own thing.
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  He's been deplatformed from so many different platforms that are out there,
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  and now he's just coming to light.
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  So he's on the record, I guess, because you can pull footage from everything,
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  and that was what Pierce did through the whole interview. It was pretty much clip after clip.
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  The thing that Ben Shapiro did a few, maybe
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  a month or so back where he just did and he gave his he just lit it up and just
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  showed everything that nick has said and just everything that's been the most
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  provocative things because they're all clipped and i am i where i'm at on this
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  it's just it's it's a struggle because i see i see nick as an entertainer i i think he has a lot of.
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  He says a lot of the things that you're thinking about, but nobody actually has the balls to say.
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  Nick says it, and he goes live for so long that, of course, you can clip anything
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  and make him look insane. And I think that that's what they have done.
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  And Pierce did it. He had the role going over and over, one clip after the next,
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  and he let Nick explain it, what he means about it.
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  And everything that Nick said, I think he doubled down. He, and which I, I actually, I admire.
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  I think that that, but there are things that are jokes that are,
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  there are jokes that he says.
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  And I think people get that. And when you're just streaming in a room by yourself
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  and you're just going for hours, he says crazy things.
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  He has said crazy things, but he, he's making it light. He's making it funny
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  when he's serious. He's serious.
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  I don't want to be like, I'm not a person that is just going to be an apologist
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  for Nick Fuentes, but he's.
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  He is, he is, what, what drives me the most insane is how people can't,
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  don't feel like they can say what they want.
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  And he has taken it to the extreme almost to swing that pendulum back,
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  maybe align it more so that people can, we get out of this, just cancel culture
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  out of this political correctness bullshit that we are always in.
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  That we're always finding something wherever you're at, because you feel like
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  you can't say what you really think.
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  I think if you're not doing it with cruelty and not doing it with hatred in
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  your heart and you're just you're saying what you think. And I think people
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  are OK to do that. You can.
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  And Nick has done that to the most extreme.
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  And I admire him for that. But I would also say I don't agree with a lot of the things that he says.
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  I don't agree with a lot of the things that he says, but he's so funny and he's so entertaining.
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  He is the like the epitome of entertainment entertainment now.
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  And if you watch the debate or the conversation that they had,
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  Piers, he had just this posture where he was very, he did not want to change his demeanor.
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  He did not want to change almost his face the whole time.
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  It was almost, it looked like disgust with everything that he talked to him about.
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  He didn't like open it up. It was so, it definitely wasn't a conversation of really to get to it.
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  But I get the point that he wanted to really drive at who Nick Fuentes really
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  is. who he really is, and he wanted to hammer that home. He didn't want to get off of that drum.
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  He wanted to pound it till it was a dead horse, you know, dead horse walking or dying in front of us.
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  He did not want to let it live. He did not want to let it breathe and come to light.
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  What is, which I think misses the whole point. Misses the whole point.
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  If you're just on guard and you feel like you just don't want to be.
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  You don't, he didn't want to just ease into this kind of this posture of just,
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  oh, you're cool. I'm cool. You know, let's just get along.
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  He wanted to be the journalist, but it was gotcha all the time, the whole thing.
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  It was all about catching him. And I think Nick was a lot more loose.
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  Nick was loose throughout the whole conversation.
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  There were, when, when it got brought up about his father, you could see that
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  almost that it had been turned when Nick, when he brought up Tucker's father
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  and Tucker did not like that at all.
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  We saw the reaction of what it feels like to be your, have your father talked
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  about or anyone that you love really, but specifically your father.
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  And, and Nick did not want to go down that road. And he was immediately,
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  you could see just everything just stuck up.
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  And he, I, he gotten, that is the one thing that threw him into defensive mode
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  when he, when that was brought off.
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  And when Nick or when Pierce kept pressing him about it and kept saying it because,
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  well, you've thrown it out there on the public domain.
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  Why can't I talk about it? And I think Nick, he just said, take my father out
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  of it. Don't bring him up.
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  Maybe that was just why Tucker was so pissed off about it when his father got
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  brought up, which anybody was.
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  If you do anything like that, say about somebody who they love,
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  you're going to be not who you really are.
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  You're not going to be, say what is maybe what you've thought through.
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  You're not going to be thinking clearly. And I think Piers got him and he like
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  the tabloid journalist that he came from and what he is, you know,
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  he is he is amazing at sparking controversy.
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  So I think everybody understands that. And he knew how to get under Nick's skin
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  and he got under it in that in that part.
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  And but I think that was the only thing that got under him.
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  But everything else, I think, overall, I think Piers did a good job.
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  He didn't change his viewpoint, didn't change his stance.
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  He wanted to prove the thing that he already believed. So I don't think he came
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  into it with an open mind.
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  He had Nick in his bubble, in his box, that he didn't want to,
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  he wanted to paint him as the portrait that Piers already had in his heart and not in his mind.
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  And, like, I'm going to say this, and I know this pisses people that hate Nick
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  Fuentes. He says, if you don't like him and you don't have an open mind,
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  I mean, just to hearing him out, you know, you think he says detestable things.
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  Okay, everybody has things in their heart that they're afraid to say.
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  Like I said, he takes it maybe too far at times, but almost I'm thinking he
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  is swinging that pendulum back overall.
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  But I mean, that's just, there are so many things that they got into.
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  He pressed him on pretty much every issue that Nick has brought up, the main ones.
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  But Piers didn't change his stance. He didn't move at all closer to him.
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  He just wanted to, like I said, paint him in the portrait that he already had
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  in his mind of Nick Fuentes.
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  But it was a good interview. I think we saw a little bit more.
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  We saw something, a different side of Nick than we've seen before.
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  But nothing really new. Nothing really new. It was pretty much everything that we already knew.
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  All right. We'll leave it at that. smash that like button. Follow me on X and
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