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Hot Girl Hormone Hacks · Two Broke Chicks

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Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land, Always was, always
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Speaker 2: Hey, Chicky's.
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Speaker 3: Before we jump into today's episode, please note that all
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Speaker 3: topics discussed in today's ap are general and not medical advice.
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Speaker 3: Please see your GP or preferred medical practitioner for advice
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Speaker 3: that's specific to you. All right, let's get into the app.
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Speaker 3: Hey cheeks, I'm sal and I'm and This is two
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Speaker 3: broa Chicks, a show that shares life lessons and tips
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Speaker 3: to help make you rich in life. And today we
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Speaker 3: are joined by Nat King Brudis the founder of Melbourne
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Speaker 3: based women's natural health clinic, The Pagoda Tree and host
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Speaker 3: of The Wellness Collective podcast with degrees in health sciences,
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Speaker 3: Chinese herbal medicine and acupuncture. We're chatting to night about
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Speaker 3: hormone imbalances, gut health and busting the BS myths you've
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Speaker 3: seen all over social media.
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Speaker 2: Hey Nat, Hi, guys, thank you for having me.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for getting us in your busy, busy schedule.
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Speaker 4: Look, the team did say do you want to go
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Speaker 4: and jump on the podcast? And I was like, yes,
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Speaker 4: give me a rest.
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Speaker 2: From the school holidays. That's the real reason.
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Speaker 4: I was like this sounds like a great idea. So
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Speaker 4: I'm really really happy to be here, extra happy.
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Speaker 2: Yay, thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: Well, before we get into the questions, we like to
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Speaker 3: start with a life lesson of the week.
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Speaker 2: So would you like to kick us off a life
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Speaker 2: lesson of Okay? So here I got two. Actually I
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Speaker 2: tie into each other.
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Speaker 4: So something I say to patients often I really try
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Speaker 4: and practice is everything is just a moment. Like we
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Speaker 4: get caught up in it and we think this is
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Speaker 4: our life.
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Speaker 2: Now it's like, it's just a moment. I love this.
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Speaker 4: It's just a moment, and I hope that it helps
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Speaker 4: somebody as well, because we get so wrapped up in
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Speaker 4: it and at the time it feels like you'll never
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Speaker 4: get out of it whatever is on your mind. But
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Speaker 4: then you look back and you're like, oh, I forgot
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Speaker 4: about that. Oh it seems like so long ago. So
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Speaker 4: it's good perspective.
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Speaker 1: What about you?
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Speaker 5: Al mine little backstory, but my favorite colors are red, green, gold.
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Speaker 5: And so it's my birthday on Saturday and I saw
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Speaker 5: these really cute press on nails and I'm in a
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Speaker 5: press on nails moment. I love it because going to
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Speaker 5: the nail Salon is the equivalent of going grocery shopping.
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Speaker 1: Now for me, like, I hate it, I don't enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: It's boring. I want to go home anyway, And.
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Speaker 5: I got these nails, I was like, they're so joy anyway,
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Speaker 5: I put them on, and they're Christmas nails.
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Speaker 1: They're fucking Christmas nails.
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Speaker 3: I think they're cute.
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Speaker 1: As they look like Christmas nails. I didn't look at it, morbals.
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Speaker 2: I didn't get that vibe when I looked at them before.
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Speaker 2: But now you said it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you hadn't say anything, I would never
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Speaker 4: have thought, oh, wow, you're confused.
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Speaker 2: It's Christmas.
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Speaker 1: Their Christmas now?
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Speaker 3: Well because the press ons, does that mean you can
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Speaker 3: keep them and rewear them at Christmas time?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: But yeah that's great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah silver lining.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, my life lesson is to rethink that color
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Speaker 5: combo in case.
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Speaker 1: So it's also your favorite colors.
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Speaker 2: Red and green is always going to give Christmas, but.
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Speaker 5: Those are my favorite colors to wear, Like I love
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Speaker 5: wearing green, and I love wearing red, and I love
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Speaker 5: and I.
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Speaker 1: Always wear God.
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Speaker 2: So I was like, this is perfect.
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Speaker 1: Put them on Santa clause. I am bit jingle bell.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your life lesson?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 3: My life lesson is a quote that I've seen before,
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Speaker 3: but then it came up on my Instagram feed and
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Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, We've never spoken about
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Speaker 3: it on the pod, and I think it will be
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Speaker 3: a good reminder for some.
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Speaker 2: Chickies out there. It's a nice, little wolesome moment.
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Speaker 3: Okay, It's better to admit you walked through the wrong
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Speaker 3: door than spend your life in the wrong room.
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Speaker 5: Oh how cute is that I walked to the wrong
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Speaker 5: door and I picked my nails and.
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Speaker 2: You have admitted it.
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Speaker 5: Yes, and now we can move on and we can
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Speaker 5: go on a different wrong.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and now it is time to go into a
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Speaker 3: different room.
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Speaker 2: I love that. Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, what actually are hormones? And why do they run
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Speaker 3: the group chat of our body?
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Speaker 2: Well, reasons they run the group chat. One.
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Speaker 4: We love to blame everything on our hormones. Right, Well,
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Speaker 4: what does that even mean? Like you're like, are you hormonal?
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Speaker 4: Or I'm so hormonal? Or your partner says are you hormonal?
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Speaker 1: And you allow that's how we go to jail.
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Speaker 3: My partner ever said that.
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Speaker 2: And rightly so.
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Speaker 4: But they are chemical messengers that tell our body what
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Speaker 4: to do and how to perform. What we're probably referring
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Speaker 4: to our sex hormones, so the ones that are related
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Speaker 4: to our menstrual cycle, and our stress hormones, which are
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Speaker 4: the ones that are released when we're stressed, and then
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Speaker 4: maybe throwing them mix some feel good hormones. But other
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Speaker 4: than that, like, there's hundreds of hormones that we're not
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Speaker 4: talking about.
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Speaker 2: Wow, they're the ones we're talking about.
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Speaker 4: We're talking about the ones that kind of run us
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Speaker 4: as women and men obviously have their own view, so
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Speaker 4: it gets thrown out a lot, the whole idea of oh,
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Speaker 4: your hormonal or hormones, but we don't really know what
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Speaker 4: we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: We've overcomplicated it.
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Speaker 4: And I really love to make things simple so that
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Speaker 4: you can walk away and go, oh, I don't have
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Speaker 4: to hate them. I have control and I know that
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Speaker 4: I can hack them to feel better. I say to
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Speaker 4: my team, do not expect anything from me the day
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Speaker 4: before my period, Like, don't ask me to be creative,
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Speaker 4: don't ask me to be anything. And if you have
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Speaker 4: to do something on that day, say this episode was
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Speaker 4: being recorded yesterday, you literally do the bare minimendment and
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Speaker 4: just do that and you'll be able because you can
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Speaker 4: still perform it. But it's important to also give yourself
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Speaker 4: grace on that day, like we like to make it
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Speaker 4: harder than it needs to be. If you're tracking your
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Speaker 4: cycle and you know roughly when your period's due, you
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Speaker 4: can kind of plan.
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Speaker 2: What about horny, that's pretty normal.
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Speaker 5: Actually, Whennie, when we read there's a horn dog rise.
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Speaker 2: Really it should be in the middle of the cycle.
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Speaker 1: So when you're oulating, yes, but a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of women do report that they feel their libido rise.
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Speaker 2: I've got that period.
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Speaker 4: What I will say is if you are experiencing symptoms
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Speaker 4: at the same time of the cycle or the same time,
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Speaker 4: then you can pretty much blame your hormones for them.
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Speaker 4: So if you're constantly getting a headache before the period,
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Speaker 4: let's say, it's not just by chance, it's hormone related.
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Speaker 2: Or if you've.
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Speaker 4: Nauseous at ovulation, it's not again, it's not just by chance.
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Speaker 4: If you watch the pattern, you'll probably find you're constantly
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Speaker 4: feeling nauseous around the same time. So your symptoms are
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Speaker 4: telling you yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Once you start paying attention to it, it's wild.
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Speaker 4: But you can hack it. Yeah, right, you can almost go.
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Speaker 4: You know when and when we're ovulating is when we
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Speaker 4: wake up in the morning that day where you're like, oh,
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Speaker 4: my gosh, you look really good today. Like you look
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Speaker 4: in the mirror and you're like, oh.
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Speaker 1: That's me yah, you like its near princess.
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Speaker 4: Yes, the day before the period, you often look in
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Speaker 4: the mirror and you're like, that's all. And often you're
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Speaker 4: like flushed, you got more heat in your body. You
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Speaker 4: look in the mirror and you're like, oh, but if
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Speaker 4: you know that, you can also go this is not
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Speaker 4: this is temporary moment, just a moment.
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Speaker 1: You're like no, honestly, like, don't listen to ear.
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Speaker 5: Like we've said that everyone's not a text bookcase, right,
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Speaker 5: What are some of the most common hormonal imbalances that
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Speaker 5: you've seen in your career with women in their twenties
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Speaker 5: and like the.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the biggest hormone imbalance we see is estrogen being
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Speaker 4: proportionate to the other hormones, and that is a direct
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Speaker 4: result of modern lifestyle. So the impact that chemicals have
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Speaker 4: on us, that stress has on us. We're talking a
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Speaker 4: lot about forever plastics or plastics that make their way
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Speaker 4: into our bodies. Basically, any stressor can drive estrogen a
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Speaker 4: bit crazy, so we see this wild be The most
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Speaker 4: common thing that we see, especially in clinic, is too
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Speaker 4: much estrogen. And how do you know if you have
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Speaker 4: too much estrogen. It's pretty simple. Estrogen builds your lining.
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Speaker 4: So more estrogen, more lining, more bleeding, so you'll have
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Speaker 4: a heavier period. So that's probably the most common thing
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Speaker 4: we see. That doesn't mean to say we can't see
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Speaker 4: situations where there's not much estrogen at all, so low hormones.
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Speaker 4: So these are the women that don't get regular cycles
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Speaker 4: or don't cycle at all. It can often be seen
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Speaker 4: birth control. When a woman comes off birth control, I
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Speaker 4: don't get a period back. But it can be genetic,
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Speaker 4: it can be eating disorder related. It makes sense that
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Speaker 4: if there's not enough nourishment or not enough of your
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Speaker 4: body's ability to make your sex hormones, then you're not
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Speaker 4: going to see a period. And your body is smart.
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Speaker 4: It's prioritizing. It's like you are so stressed, or you
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Speaker 4: are so overwhelmed, or you are so unwell, you don't
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Speaker 4: need a period right now. It's the least thing that
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Speaker 4: needs This is like on the bottom of the pecking order,
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Speaker 4: so your body's responding to the environment and the other
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Speaker 4: one I will say that a lot of women will
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Speaker 4: now relate to because we're talking more and more about pcos.
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Speaker 4: So this is typically not always, but typically where we
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Speaker 4: see elevated androgens, so more testosterone in the body, which
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Speaker 4: contributes to a lot of those symptoms that are associated
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Speaker 4: with true PCOS. So there is different types of pcos,
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Speaker 4: but true PCs is you know, the weight gain, the acne,
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Speaker 4: the facial hair, the hair loss on top of the head,
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Speaker 4: the missing periods. It's not a fun time, but a
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Speaker 4: lot of those symptoms are well. We say that testosterone
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Speaker 4: women and men need testosterone, but men have more testosterone obviously,
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Speaker 4: so it's they're probably the most common, but there are
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Speaker 4: mini and variations of those. And then it's also your
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Speaker 4: genetics a play a role, and your environment and your
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Speaker 4: ability to cope with stress, your detoxification processes. So I
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Speaker 4: can see why people get overwhelmed by all of that,
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Speaker 4: but if you really just break it down, I'm always
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Speaker 4: saying to women, Okay, what's a period like heavy or
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Speaker 4: light or normal?
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Speaker 2: And what's normal?
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Speaker 4: Normal is not needing to change your paddle tampon more
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Speaker 4: than every four hours.
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Speaker 2: So if you're.
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Speaker 5: No sound and I both have like super heavy periods
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Speaker 5: to start, and then by like the third day, also
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Speaker 5: what's this. You get your period and mine will be
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Speaker 5: really heavy for like three days, and then on the
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Speaker 5: fourth day she's.
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Speaker 1: Like, I'll go away for a little bit, rise I'm.
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Speaker 5: Back and I'm like, wou you were gone, and she's like,
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Speaker 5: I was just tricking.
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Speaker 2: Very annoying.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's often stress related, and all these things are treatable,
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Speaker 4: by the way, and it's not necessarily druggable. So this
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Speaker 4: is often why there's a misconception. Go to your doctor
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Speaker 4: and you say that's happening, and they're.
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Speaker 2: Exactly and that.
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Speaker 1: Makes well, it made me boggers.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's a conversation that really needs to be had,
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Speaker 4: because not all women want to go on birth control
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Speaker 4: and not all women can. And it's usually because I'll
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Speaker 4: tell you, if you're getting a heavy period, so you've
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Speaker 4: got more estrogen, and then you're adding more hormones to
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Speaker 4: your body that's already got a lot of hormones. It's
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Speaker 4: a disaster for that's a typical presentation as someone who
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Speaker 4: doesn't fare well on birth control, right, Yeah, that checks out.
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Speaker 4: You can actually literally read your signals to figure out
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Speaker 4: what's happening.
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Speaker 2: That's all there. It's just that no one's taught us
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Speaker 2: how to do this.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw on TikTok once, So this with a
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Speaker 5: grain of salt.
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Speaker 1: Is it true that when.
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Speaker 5: Women have their periods they actually have a rise in testosterone.
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Speaker 4: The rise should be at ovulation, which is why you
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Speaker 4: feel like you've got this superpower. Yeah, if you think
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Speaker 4: about it literally, like it should rise with ovulation, not
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Speaker 4: at the period. Things kind of tank out at the
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Speaker 4: period time.
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Speaker 1: Everything it's likely.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything is like kind of like washed away and
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Speaker 2: you start again.
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Speaker 3: But how do we know the difference between a regular
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Speaker 3: hormonal mood swing and a hormonal red flag?
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Speaker 2: Again?
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Speaker 4: Is it happening regularly at similar times? So pre period
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Speaker 4: being the most common time that we'll feel like we
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Speaker 4: want to stab someone in the eye with a full hak.
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Speaker 2: Like, you're not supposed to feel that all the time.
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Speaker 4: And if you're feeling all the time, we probably need
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Speaker 4: to look at you know, what else is happening. So
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Speaker 4: the cyclic nature of anything makes it more likely to
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Speaker 4: be hormone related. That doesn't mean that your hormones are
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Speaker 4: only imbalanced at certain times, absolutely not. You might feel
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Speaker 4: like that for half the cycle, which again can still
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Speaker 4: be hormone related. Usually, the most most common pattern of
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Speaker 4: that estrogen pattern that we were talking about, a woman
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Speaker 4: will say, I feel fine from when my period finishes
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Speaker 4: to when I ovulate.
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Speaker 2: That's only seven days.
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Speaker 4: That's not very long, right, And then from ovulation through
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Speaker 4: to when the period arrives again they feel rubbish. That's
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Speaker 4: again it's too much estrogen and not enough progestri So
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Speaker 4: pgestrin is the hormone that's made once you of your
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Speaker 4: eight and we feel good when there's enough of it.
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Speaker 2: We sleep well.
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Speaker 4: It helps us to feel awake and alive, makes your
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Speaker 4: eyes nice and bright. But if you don't have enough
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Speaker 4: of it, you feel bloated, you feel hungry, you'll feel stressed, overwhelmed, sad,
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Speaker 4: all the things. So it's actually looking at what hormones
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Speaker 4: are at play and working out how to recalibrate them.
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Speaker 4: And the biggest mistake we make with this is we go, oh,
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Speaker 4: you don't have enough progestriin, Let's just give you some.
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Speaker 4: But the problem is estrogen's not being taken care of.
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Speaker 4: When we do that, so if estrogen is there's too
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Speaker 4: much estrogen, all you're doing is supplementing progestrin to meet it.
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Speaker 4: A lot of those other symptoms.
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Speaker 2: Will still exist. The trick is actually regulating estrogen and
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Speaker 2: then pogestroon will naturally rise.
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Speaker 5: Asking for a friend, how do you do it?
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Speaker 2: I have a few hacks.
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Speaker 4: The first thing I'll always say to somebody is, if
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Speaker 4: you're not moving your bows every day, if you're not
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Speaker 4: pooing every day, you need to start pooing.
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Speaker 2: Everything in that excellent.
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Speaker 4: We need to make sure, though, that there's enough fiber
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Speaker 4: in the diet that you are able to allow the
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Speaker 4: excess hormones to bind to fiber. Fiber is an amazing binder.
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Speaker 4: So you might have the best poops, but you're not
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Speaker 4: eating enough fiber. Therefore it's not making its way out.
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Speaker 4: Or if it's too good of a poop, then that
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Speaker 4: can be a problem because there's no time for that
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Speaker 4: to happen. It's all happening too quickly, so you want
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Speaker 4: to make sure you're having enough fiber. Fiber is also
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Speaker 4: amazing because it's prebiotic, feeds the good gut bacteria.
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Speaker 2: Obviously it's a binder.
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Speaker 4: It helps to detoxify the body, and it helps to
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Speaker 4: regulate blood sugar, and blood sugar is another factor that
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Speaker 4: we look at in hormones as well, which can drive
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Speaker 4: them crazy, and this can cause cravings and all sorts
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Speaker 4: of other challenges, especially when there's elevated testosterone.
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Speaker 2: So it is a little bit of a fine dance,
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Speaker 2: but it's just looking at.
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Speaker 4: The symptoms and going, all right, so we know your
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Speaker 4: excess estrogen, going to make sure you're pooping properly, are
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Speaker 4: you having enough fiber, And then there are some other
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Speaker 4: little hacks that can really help a good probiotic because
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Speaker 4: we metabolize estrogen in the gut and stuff that's not happening,
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Speaker 4: then you're not shifting it out and making sure the
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Speaker 4: livers detoxifying properly as well.
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Speaker 5: Obviously, there are so many things that affect and play
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Speaker 5: a role in our hormones. And it's, as we've said,
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Speaker 5: and we really want to propose for everyone, it's so different,
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Speaker 5: and you know, we can't say that this episode is
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Speaker 5: the be all and end all of the education that
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Speaker 5: people will probably need to seek out as well, but
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Speaker 5: one that I think is just so common across the border,
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Speaker 5: especially with sal and I is sleep and how sleep
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Speaker 5: can affect your hormones?
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Speaker 1: So can you tell us a little bit more about
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Speaker 1: that totally?
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Speaker 4: I mean, first and foremost, I want to ask people, Okay,
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Speaker 4: is it but you're not sleeping? Can you fall asleep
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Speaker 4: or not? That's one issue? Are you waking? That's another issue?
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Speaker 5: So issue should ask yourself when you're like address it,
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Speaker 5: So being like, how long does it take me to
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Speaker 5: fall asleep?
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Speaker 1: How long do I stay asleep for?
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Speaker 2: What time am I waking?
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Speaker 5: Okay?
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Speaker 2: How long am I awake for?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: And how do I feel in the morning when I
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Speaker 2: wake up?
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Speaker 5: Okay?
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Speaker 4: I guess They're probably the main things I would a somebody.
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Speaker 4: In Chinese medicine, we look at the Chinese medicine body
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Speaker 4: clock and certain times associated with various organs. So it
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Speaker 4: tells us information. If you're waking from one to three,
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Speaker 4: let's say am, it's the time that the liver is
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Speaker 4: most prominent, and it can be a good sign that
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Speaker 4: maybe there's some either you need to take.
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Speaker 2: Care of your liver, or it can be emotional.
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Speaker 4: It can be that there's unresolved emotions and the emotion
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Speaker 4: that's associated with the liver's anger.
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Speaker 2: Oh oh shit, you're never going to have me back
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Speaker 2: ever again.
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Speaker 1: It is actually just.
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Speaker 4: A d if you're waking. So the most common times
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Speaker 4: are one to three and then three to five. Three
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Speaker 4: to five is the time of the lung, and the
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Speaker 4: emotion that is associated with the lung is sadness.
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Speaker 3: I was going to say, I feel like that's more me.
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Speaker 4: So that's a useful clue for patients if they if
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Speaker 4: it doesn't really make sense why they're waking. I have
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Speaker 4: a theory, yes, and it's not well, it might be
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Speaker 4: proven actually, but I always say to patients, what if
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Speaker 4: your body was so smart it knew now's a good
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Speaker 4: time for us to deal with whatever's going on. Right,
16:09
Speaker 4: it's going there's nothing around. You're really angry. You've got
16:12
Speaker 4: had these anger since you know twenty twelve.
16:15
Speaker 2: It's time to resolve it. And you're sitting there going,
16:18
Speaker 2: this is so annoying. Why am I awake? Tomorrow is
16:20
Speaker 2: going to be terrible.
16:21
Speaker 4: So I say to patients, all right, first thing we
16:23
Speaker 4: do when we wake up is we say to our bodies,
16:25
Speaker 4: thanks for waking me.
16:26
Speaker 2: Even if you don't really think that you're me. What
16:30
Speaker 2: is it that I need to know?
16:32
Speaker 3: Like?
16:32
Speaker 4: Show me is there a ration, yes, because it's almost
16:35
Speaker 4: like it's going is now a good time?
16:36
Speaker 2: There's nothing else going on? Yes? Right, that's cool.
16:41
Speaker 4: And I get people to sort of just lean in
16:43
Speaker 4: and be curious. Now, sometimes you know exactly what it is,
16:46
Speaker 4: and other times you don't know.
16:47
Speaker 2: What it is.
16:48
Speaker 4: So it's a really nice tool to just open the
16:50
Speaker 4: door to be a bit more curious if there's been
16:52
Speaker 4: a you know what, Really the reason we wake up
16:54
Speaker 4: is because we're stressed.
16:55
Speaker 2: On some level.
16:56
Speaker 4: There's stress, right, and what stress does is impact your
16:59
Speaker 4: sex hormoe. Like I said, so they want to be
17:01
Speaker 4: in balance, but if stress hormones are high, sex hormones
17:05
Speaker 4: will tank. So we've got to Actually I spend the
17:07
Speaker 4: majority of my time regulating nervous systems and QUARTERSOL and
17:11
Speaker 4: then the sex hormones just sort themselves out. It's looking
17:13
Speaker 4: at where's the stress and what do I need to
17:15
Speaker 4: do with now. I get patients to go quite deep
17:17
Speaker 4: into some processes when they wake up, And what I
17:19
Speaker 4: find is after they start doing that, over a week
17:23
Speaker 4: or two, they stop waking.
17:24
Speaker 2: Well that's cool to know that.
17:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't take to emails.
17:30
Speaker 4: Actually, I've got a podcast episode you can listen to it.
17:33
Speaker 4: You know what it went missing for ages. I used
17:35
Speaker 4: to use it for patients all the time. I explain
17:37
Speaker 4: it in full detail. It's like twenty five minutes. We
17:39
Speaker 4: don't want to go down right now, episode called just
17:41
Speaker 4: so we can make the one thing about sleep or something, Okay,
17:44
Speaker 4: I'll find it for you.
17:45
Speaker 2: But it's like.
17:46
Speaker 4: Really goes into it properly, And I think it's such
17:49
Speaker 4: a valuable tool because there's a reason that you're waking up.
17:53
Speaker 2: It's not your body doesn't hate you.
17:54
Speaker 4: It's not trying to seek revenge or make you have
17:56
Speaker 4: a bad day the following day.
17:58
Speaker 2: It knows what it's doing all the time. We just
18:00
Speaker 2: don't know how to follow the cues. So it's a really.
18:03
Speaker 4: Good one because there's also no harm in leaning into
18:06
Speaker 4: what a feeling might be.
18:07
Speaker 2: Now.
18:07
Speaker 4: I know that also if someone is suffering from depression
18:10
Speaker 4: or anxiety, obviously there's certain things that you need to
18:13
Speaker 4: do to support your body, but also just being curious
18:16
Speaker 4: and not putting pressure on yourself like I have to
18:18
Speaker 4: solve this right now, not at all. It's just curious,
18:21
Speaker 4: is there a feeling yep? Or The other really interesting
18:24
Speaker 4: one that happens is you'll wake up in the morning
18:27
Speaker 4: and a lot of people can relate to this and
18:29
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, a new day.
18:30
Speaker 2: But whatever the problem is.
18:31
Speaker 4: It's like it's almost sitting on your shoulder and you're like, oh, yeah,
18:33
Speaker 4: but you're still there, aren't here. And that can be
18:35
Speaker 4: when there's something serious happening in someone's life as well.
18:38
Speaker 4: You know, a loved one sick, or you know there's
18:40
Speaker 4: something that you know that maybe there's a final moment.
18:43
Speaker 2: Of that's really stressful. It's not that that.
18:45
Speaker 4: Feeling you should you never should ignore it, but it's
18:49
Speaker 4: not that you have to dive into it either. It's
18:51
Speaker 4: just acknowledging it. It's like, oh, there you are, high friend,
18:53
Speaker 4: thanks for that reminder. Yeah, we make it bigger than
18:59
Speaker 4: what it really needs to. I think in these overwhelming moments,
19:02
Speaker 4: it's just acknowledging feelings is very important.
19:05
Speaker 2: Otherwise your body just stores it somewhere.
19:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, And what about those who aren't waking up and
19:11
Speaker 5: they like go to bed, they wake up in the
19:13
Speaker 5: morning when their alarm.
19:14
Speaker 1: Goes off, but they're still really fucking tired.
19:16
Speaker 2: They should check that thyroid.
19:19
Speaker 4: If you prioritize, if the two things that you take
19:21
Speaker 4: away from this episode is prioritize fiber, and you prioritize sleep,
19:26
Speaker 4: you'll be a different person.
19:27
Speaker 1: How can people get more fiber asking for a ford
19:31
Speaker 1: I have?
19:31
Speaker 4: We actually create a fiber product. It's just a food
19:34
Speaker 4: suitical but it's slipperyalm cilium, cheer and flaxeed and a
19:37
Speaker 4: few other ingredients phenomenal for hormones called mbody. So that's
19:42
Speaker 4: something I made because people weren't getting enough. And then
19:44
Speaker 4: I was asking to mix some simple ingredients together and
19:46
Speaker 4: they weren't doing it. So I ended up partnering with
19:49
Speaker 4: someone and we made this product and it's been hilarious
19:52
Speaker 4: because we never anticipated the changes that women would report
19:57
Speaker 4: from just increasing their fiber intake. That's been one way.
20:00
Speaker 4: But obviously food is medicine and it's all just food products,
20:04
Speaker 4: so you know, green leafy vegetables, broccoli, beans, asparagus. I
20:10
Speaker 4: could go on and on berries, popcorn, popcorn. You know
20:14
Speaker 4: what I say to patients, I can give you a
20:16
Speaker 4: list of what I think you should eat, but I
20:17
Speaker 4: don't know what you.
20:18
Speaker 2: Like to eat.
20:18
Speaker 4: Google Google five and choose your top five and start
20:22
Speaker 4: eating more of them as an easy way. But we
20:25
Speaker 4: do love it's really interesting with the embody. We do
20:28
Speaker 4: love the idea of a supplement, even though it's just
20:31
Speaker 4: food packaged up. So people think they're doing something therapeutic,
20:34
Speaker 4: and it does have a therapeutic impact on the body.
20:37
Speaker 4: But I think psychologically we're like, I'm taking something to
20:40
Speaker 4: feel better, whereas if I'm just eating more asparagus, I
20:43
Speaker 4: don't feel like that's other than making my wee smell disgusting.
20:45
Speaker 2: I don't think it's else.
20:47
Speaker 5: I also wanted to chat about whether this is kind
20:50
Speaker 5: of more fact or myth about whether over exercising can
20:54
Speaker 5: affect your hormones.
20:56
Speaker 4: Great question, and the answer is yes absolutely. I mean
20:59
Speaker 4: over doing anything is never a good idea. Where is
21:02
Speaker 4: the Goldilocks is probably age dependent more than anything and circumstances.
21:08
Speaker 4: If you're a high quartersole pattern and you're doing a
21:11
Speaker 4: lot of high quartersole activities, you're only adding to the problem.
21:14
Speaker 4: Having said that, the best thing to do when you've
21:17
Speaker 4: got too much quartersole is move your body. So you've
21:19
Speaker 4: got to find a happy medium. What I can tell
21:22
Speaker 4: you is what you need to do in your twenties
21:24
Speaker 4: and thirties is very different from what you need to
21:26
Speaker 4: do in your mid thirties to and beyond. And that's
21:29
Speaker 4: the hard part. I think often we're doing the wrong
21:31
Speaker 4: thing at the wrong time. But over exercise ICEE patients
21:35
Speaker 4: where it makes if they've got endometriosis, it can make
21:37
Speaker 4: the endometriosis worse.
21:39
Speaker 2: If they're not.
21:40
Speaker 4: Sleeping, it can contribute to their insomnia. So it is
21:44
Speaker 4: finding the happy medium. And what is that I would
21:47
Speaker 4: say that you're looking at. Doing weight training is really
21:50
Speaker 4: a priority. It should be for most people. It's the
21:53
Speaker 4: most protective thing that we can do. So two to
21:56
Speaker 4: three times a week weight training and then sprinkling that
21:59
Speaker 4: with whatever else you like. Blood is walking, But it
22:02
Speaker 4: is good to look at. Okay, am I highly stressed?
22:05
Speaker 4: Am I exercising too much?
22:07
Speaker 2: And really thirty to forty five minutes should be enough
22:10
Speaker 2: if you're doing it properly. Shifting gears or at all?
22:13
Speaker 3: What's the connection between gut health and your hormones?
22:16
Speaker 2: Good question, Just.
22:17
Speaker 1: Bringing it back to fiber so a little bit sort
22:19
Speaker 1: of But.
22:20
Speaker 2: You are learning, yes, you are? No, you are you
22:22
Speaker 2: one hundred percent learning.
22:24
Speaker 4: We don't know loads about this, but we have enough
22:28
Speaker 4: to know and then assume we know that there's certain
22:32
Speaker 4: strains of bacteria called east bloom and they metabolize estrogen.
22:38
Speaker 2: So if you don't.
22:39
Speaker 4: Have those strains of bacteria, you're missing a step in
22:41
Speaker 4: estrogen metabolism, which means you're kind of adding to the
22:44
Speaker 4: pile right now.
22:45
Speaker 1: We don't have having too much estrogen, is correct?
22:47
Speaker 2: Yes, yes you are. You're learning great and I'm explaining
22:51
Speaker 2: it properly.
22:51
Speaker 5: Yes.
22:52
Speaker 4: So that's the one of the first steps in us
22:55
Speaker 4: regulating our estrogen. So if we don't have that essential bacteria,
22:59
Speaker 4: then that's going to be problem. The challenges we don't
23:02
Speaker 4: live in a world yet that I can just give
23:03
Speaker 4: you that bacteria, So you need to look at the
23:06
Speaker 4: whole gut, to colonize the entire gut and continue to
23:09
Speaker 4: feed it, which is where fiber comes in because it
23:11
Speaker 4: feeds the good gut bacteria and we can continue to
23:14
Speaker 4: treat it like it's a garden essentially, so we're constantly
23:17
Speaker 4: feeding it and allowing it to flourish. The challenge is
23:20
Speaker 4: that we can have dys biosis where bacteria can be
23:23
Speaker 4: imbalanced and we can have too much of one and
23:25
Speaker 4: not another, and that's when we can feel terrible bloated.
23:28
Speaker 4: It can contribute to hormone imbalances. It can contribute to
23:31
Speaker 4: any pretty much any issue that you have, we can
23:33
Speaker 4: link back to the gut in some way, shape or form,
23:37
Speaker 4: and so I would say the gut is the pivot
23:40
Speaker 4: of health. We need to be looking at that, especially
23:42
Speaker 4: for hormones. The other thing I will say is stress
23:45
Speaker 4: impacts the gut in the same way.
23:47
Speaker 2: A course of antibiotics will impact the gut.
23:49
Speaker 4: So antibiotics are great in the sense that they will
23:52
Speaker 4: clear away bad bacteria, but they also take away good bacteria,
23:56
Speaker 4: and then you're left with trying to kind of make
23:59
Speaker 4: up and catch up, and that can give an environment
24:03
Speaker 4: where the bad bacteria actually collinate more quickly than the
24:06
Speaker 4: good bacteria. So that's why often people have the same
24:09
Speaker 4: problem come back again. I'm always trying to do whatever
24:15
Speaker 4: I can to support a patient's good gut bacteria, which will,
24:18
Speaker 4: through real estate, out weigh the bad bacteria. But stress
24:22
Speaker 4: is another big factor that we don't talk about when
24:24
Speaker 4: it comes to gut health, and probably the reason one
24:27
Speaker 4: of the main reasons other than poor food quality, chemicals, toxins,
24:32
Speaker 4: those sorts of things that we are seeing dysbiosis in
24:35
Speaker 4: so many people because we're very We're just generally stressed
24:39
Speaker 4: and we're not taught how to cope with it. Yeah,
24:42
Speaker 4: so we're all idling far higher. Our nervous system is
24:45
Speaker 4: idling far higher than it needs to be. And what
24:47
Speaker 4: are you doing today to try and bring that down?
24:49
Speaker 4: Like it's not a conscious thing to go. I'm just
24:51
Speaker 4: going to go and regulate my nervous system.
24:54
Speaker 5: And I know that everyone hates talking about the pandemic samesease,
24:59
Speaker 5: but I truly feel that since the pandemic and lockdown
25:03
Speaker 5: and COVID, stress has just become like the buzzword of
25:07
Speaker 5: the century. Like I just think everyone is so much
25:10
Speaker 5: more stressed after that, and like the trauma and fear
25:13
Speaker 5: of like that experience, and like we've just not been
25:16
Speaker 5: able to regulate our nervous system since that. And when
25:19
Speaker 5: we're talking about stress, we're talking about cortisol, right, Yeah.
25:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, cortisol and adrenaline.
25:23
Speaker 4: But cortisol is you know, what we're releasing in the moment,
25:27
Speaker 4: and it's idling.
25:28
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
25:29
Speaker 4: Like we're not supposed to constantly release it. It's supposed
25:31
Speaker 4: to be crappy situation. Oh my god, you know, I
25:34
Speaker 4: need to get something done or I need to move
25:35
Speaker 4: out the way of a car or a moment.
25:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it can be good, like corsole.
25:41
Speaker 2: To make your hormones.
25:42
Speaker 4: If you don't have this is the other thing. If
25:43
Speaker 4: you don't have quartisole, you can't make your hormones. A
25:47
Speaker 4: it's a component that you require to make them. But
25:50
Speaker 4: your body's also clear. If there's too much of it,
25:53
Speaker 4: it'll turn it off, especially when it comes to your
25:54
Speaker 4: sex hormones. So again, it's balance. Is very cliche, but
25:58
Speaker 4: it's what you're trying to seek out in all moments.
26:01
Speaker 4: And I do I think you need to check in
26:03
Speaker 4: with yourself.
26:03
Speaker 2: I get patients.
26:04
Speaker 4: The best thing you can do is check in when
26:07
Speaker 4: you find yourself, you know, you do a bit of
26:09
Speaker 4: a check and your shoulders are up by your ears
26:11
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, yeah, there they are, Okay, I'm
26:12
Speaker 4: going to take those down, or you've just gone and
26:16
Speaker 4: then you're like, oh my gosh, it's my body trying
26:17
Speaker 4: to regulate. If you can start to become aware of
26:20
Speaker 4: some of the signs that your body is showing you,
26:23
Speaker 4: you can check in and go yep, okay, feeling overwhelmed,
26:25
Speaker 4: good chat, Thanks for that. The more you're aware of it,
26:28
Speaker 4: the more you can do something with it. The majority
26:30
Speaker 4: of us are unconsciously stressed, so we need to become
26:34
Speaker 4: consciously stressed and then we can actually do something about that.
26:36
Speaker 4: But you can't do anything about it if you're not
26:39
Speaker 4: even acknowledging it. And I'm also here to say it
26:41
Speaker 4: doesn't make you more successful, it doesn't make you a
26:43
Speaker 4: better person, It doesn't. It just makes you frantic over
26:47
Speaker 4: a long period of time.
26:49
Speaker 2: So how do you be the best version of yourself?
26:51
Speaker 4: You've got to get conscious of this, and that's all
26:53
Speaker 4: you actually have to do in these situations is acknowledge
26:56
Speaker 4: it and go, oh yeah, okay, feeling overwhelmed. Thanks Nat,
26:59
Speaker 4: good reminder, take a breath, let's keep going.
27:02
Speaker 5: I love that that is, And that's such an easy,
27:05
Speaker 5: easy thing to put into your routine, cost nothing, just
27:08
Speaker 5: having like whatever works for you in your self soothing toolbox.
27:11
Speaker 5: So if it is, unclench your jaw, drop your shoulders.
27:15
Speaker 2: And then take a breath.
27:17
Speaker 3: Like that's so easy and also something that you can
27:18
Speaker 3: do so if you're stressed in a meeting, you can
27:21
Speaker 3: do all of those things without someone being like ge spiraling.
27:24
Speaker 5: I love that probably every single person that's just come
27:27
Speaker 5: across this has relaxed their shoulders, unclenched their jaw and
27:30
Speaker 5: dropped their forehead and been like ah.
27:33
Speaker 4: And the other really great hack is five diaphramic breaths
27:37
Speaker 4: that will reset the nervous system. So you can do
27:39
Speaker 4: that anywhere, on the toilet, in the car and traffic.
27:42
Speaker 4: Sitting here, I could do it if I was feeling disregulated.
27:45
Speaker 4: Five breaths from the diaphragm and your reset.
27:49
Speaker 5: I would love to know, then, what is the biggest
27:52
Speaker 5: BS myth about hormones you have seen on social media?
27:55
Speaker 3: All?
27:55
Speaker 4: There's so many that one that the pill fix them.
28:02
Speaker 4: I think that's the Unfortunately it's the mainstream method that
28:07
Speaker 4: we're offered, and that's no one's well, it is someone.
28:10
Speaker 4: It's the system's mistake because you go to your doctor
28:13
Speaker 4: and their job is to give you a solution, and
28:15
Speaker 4: that's what they have in their toolkit. Your doctor doesn't
28:20
Speaker 4: have the way the system is set up, your doctor
28:22
Speaker 4: doesn't have an hour to sit with you and go
28:25
Speaker 4: through all the contributing factors. And also, I just want
28:28
Speaker 4: to say, it's one thing to be on birth control.
28:30
Speaker 4: Because you're on birth control, like as in you don't
28:33
Speaker 4: want to have children, and that's a conscious choice. It's
28:35
Speaker 4: a different thing to use it to try and manage
28:38
Speaker 4: or fix a hormone imbalance. So I just want to
28:40
Speaker 4: say that, and I'm never ever judging anyone. It's like,
28:44
Speaker 4: I want people to have information to make decisions as
28:47
Speaker 4: to what's right for them.
28:48
Speaker 2: But it doesn't fix your hormone imbalance.
28:50
Speaker 4: It'll be there all along, underlying in the background, just running, running, running,
28:55
Speaker 4: And then what I see happen most often is women
28:58
Speaker 4: will be fine for five ten years, and then all
29:01
Speaker 4: of a sudden they'll be like, oh my gosh, symptoms
29:03
Speaker 4: are coming back. I'm spotting, I've got pain again. So
29:06
Speaker 4: little symptoms start to break through. And it's because the
29:09
Speaker 4: problem itself hasn't actually ever been addressed. So it's not
29:13
Speaker 4: that you can't use it, but we have to actually
29:15
Speaker 4: try and manage and restore what your body is actually
29:20
Speaker 4: imbalanced in to actually get long term results, and birth
29:23
Speaker 4: control can't do it. I will also say, though, it
29:25
Speaker 4: can give you a break in the weather, and that's okay.
29:28
Speaker 4: Like if you've got horrendous periods, I'm not going to
29:31
Speaker 4: sit here and say, oh, suffer through those while we
29:33
Speaker 4: fix it. Yeah, no, you know, we use what we can.
29:37
Speaker 4: But I think it's important to know that there are
29:40
Speaker 4: solutions because that's not necessarily you know, told to us,
29:44
Speaker 4: and that they are outside of taking that.
29:46
Speaker 5: So, yeah, what's the best thing that women can do
29:50
Speaker 5: in their daily routine to support their hormones?
29:53
Speaker 4: Fiver, sleep, all the things we've pretty much said, all
29:59
Speaker 4: the things that you really need to do. There's nothing magical,
30:02
Speaker 4: but I think it's it's using the symptoms as little
30:05
Speaker 4: clues to sort of line them all up and then
30:07
Speaker 4: be able to go, Okay, what is my body actually
30:09
Speaker 4: telling me?
30:09
Speaker 2: And there's really five I would.
30:11
Speaker 4: Say most common patterns of imbalance that we see, and
30:15
Speaker 4: all of those are very easy to see via symptoms,
30:18
Speaker 4: so it's profiling them. I actually have a quiz. I'll
30:19
Speaker 4: give you a link for it, but it's quick. It's
30:21
Speaker 4: just one of those like old school. If you are
30:24
Speaker 4: mostly a's, you are this. It's really late, but it
30:28
Speaker 4: actually helps the doctor's exactly a place starting in the
30:32
Speaker 4: sense that it took me probably thirty seconds to put together.
30:35
Speaker 4: But it does help people to go, oh, I'm excess
30:38
Speaker 4: estrogen or I'm a high quartersol pattern like it helps you,
30:41
Speaker 4: based on your signs and symptoms to work out Okay,
30:44
Speaker 4: well what.
30:44
Speaker 2: Might be the next best step? You know, what do
30:47
Speaker 2: we do with this?
30:48
Speaker 4: So I think using symptoms as clues is always you know,
30:52
Speaker 4: there's no test that's going to confirm a lot of
30:55
Speaker 4: these things for you. You can test hormones, and you should
30:58
Speaker 4: test hormones, but that means nothing if you've got nothing
31:01
Speaker 4: to compare it to. And also tests are just a
31:03
Speaker 4: snapshot of a window in time. It depends on when
31:06
Speaker 4: they were taken, where you were in your circle, what
31:08
Speaker 4: was actually happening at the time of day.
31:10
Speaker 2: Like, there's so many variables.
31:12
Speaker 4: So they're good, but that's not the you know, you
31:16
Speaker 4: can't just push all of your eggs in that one basket.
31:19
Speaker 1: I love that, Thank you so much.
31:21
Speaker 3: And with our guests we like to wrap up with
31:23
Speaker 3: the same question, and it is what is your biggest
31:26
Speaker 3: life lesson so far?
31:28
Speaker 2: Oh? My biggest life lesson?
31:31
Speaker 4: I think it always works out in the end, like,
31:34
Speaker 4: no matter what, even when you think and you've had
31:37
Speaker 4: the same experience over and over again, and then you're like, oh.
31:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, it always works out.
31:40
Speaker 4: Like life is basically working things out all the time.
31:45
Speaker 4: And when someone says to me, oh, yeah, but this
31:47
Speaker 4: has happened, Well that's happened, I'm like, yeah, that's how
31:49
Speaker 4: life is. It's a series of readjustments and learning from
31:52
Speaker 4: experiences and being okay with all of that. Like, I
31:55
Speaker 4: think we often think that we're doing it wrong. We're like,
31:58
Speaker 4: I'm doing life wrong. I should be doing this, should
32:00
Speaker 4: be doing that. It was going to be the way
32:01
Speaker 4: it was because it is that way already, so move on.
32:05
Speaker 4: But I do think that we have far more control
32:07
Speaker 4: over this. It comes into being kinder to ourselves as well.
32:10
Speaker 2: I love that beautiful way to end the episode.
32:13
Speaker 1: I feel like I've got so much homework to do.
32:15
Speaker 1: I'm excited.
32:16
Speaker 2: Hi.
32:18
Speaker 1: I wake up in the middle of the night and
32:19
Speaker 1: they'd been like, what going on? What did your girl?
32:28
Speaker 1: Just kidding? Thank you so much, NT.
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Speaker 2: That was amazing, awesome, Thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 2: This has been so fun. Yeah, oh my god, it's
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Speaker 2: been our pleasure.
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Speaker 3: And thanks to you chicks for having us in the
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Speaker 3: ear holes.
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Speaker 2: We love to be here.
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Speaker 3: And thanks to m I k Made for making today's
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Speaker 3: episode happened.
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Speaker 2: Look bit love you chicks.
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Speaker 3: Yi