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🐅 Aka Charlie Sheen Documentary Recap · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, darlings. Before you listen to this recap, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to give you a heads up that we recorded
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  Speaker 1: a lot longer than we expected to, so this is
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  Speaker 1: only a partial recap of the Charlie Sheen documentary. If
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  Speaker 2: Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama Darling.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, are you winning? Because that's what today's episode
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  Speaker 1: is all about. We are recapping the Charlie Sheen documentary.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. So before we begin, let
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  Speaker 1: in Cabareami. So let's go, girls. Deanna Ching and Emily
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  Speaker 1: Dresis are joining me today. Ladies, how you doing great?
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  Speaker 4: We win so radically in our underwear before our first coffee.
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  Speaker 2: It's scary. Quoting the great Charlie Sheen.
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  Speaker 1: We win so radically in our Oh my god, Emily Verbatim.
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  Speaker 4: We went so radically in our underwear before I first
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  Speaker 4: got this is with him and his his angels.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, no, goddesses, goddesses, gods.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. Deanna, you're looking like a goddess, always looking gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Oh right back at you too, I'm doing good, yeah, Charlie.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, there's a lot happening, and it's a
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  Speaker 5: time to reflect. It's a time to think about like
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  Speaker 5: what we've been through as women in our lives.
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  Speaker 6: Like this is the guy?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Like, as you're watching this, you're just like wow, the
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  Speaker 5: messaging we got wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah wow.
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  Speaker 4: And I was talking to Darling Eliza Roseen, and she
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  Speaker 4: was like, I think that I could have used some
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  Speaker 4: more episodes in this. And I agree in the sense that,
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  Speaker 4: like I needed some of the crazy shit he did,
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  Speaker 4: especially like to Denise et cetera. I needed more lights
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  Speaker 4: on that, and I you know what I mean, that's
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  Speaker 4: I agree that we needed a little bit more exposure.
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  Speaker 2: On something on that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I needed a little light on did you shoot
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  Speaker 6: Kelly Preston? Like, yeah, what happened there?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? What's up with that? There were some holes?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there was every time there was something
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  Speaker 4: really bad that he did, I.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't get any further information.
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  Speaker 4: It was mentioned, and then I'm pausing and googling and
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  Speaker 4: going down in old clips and clippings of newspapers and trying.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing my own documentary on.
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  Speaker 5: The sidereunching the clock and get in there, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, we want our own answers, like this is
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  Speaker 1: the companion piece basically to that documentary.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and apparently with the Kelly Preston thing, which I
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  Speaker 4: didn't even know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know about.
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  Speaker 4: This, Yeah, she was according to both of them, she
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  Speaker 4: was cleaning out. He had a gun in his pocket
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  Speaker 4: and she was in the bathroom and it fell out
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  Speaker 4: of the pocket when she picked up his pants and
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  Speaker 4: the gun went off and the shrapnel from the toilet
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  Speaker 4: cut her so bad that she needed stitches.
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  Speaker 1: So we know he paid off everybody, So it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to believe quite much. And clearly he's going to be
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  Speaker 1: covering his bases. He's going to show us whatever hand
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  Speaker 1: he wants to. I mean, he's the executive producer of
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  Speaker 1: this documentary, which I think was extremely well done.
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  Speaker 3: Fun, It was fun.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was very biased.
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  Speaker 3: What do YOUNA?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 5: I was just it's fun because the way they used
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  Speaker 5: all the footage to that unbelieve highlight the moments, that
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  Speaker 5: was really cool and really well done. Yes, and and
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  Speaker 5: because he's such a comical character in our minds at
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  Speaker 5: this point, it like really worked.
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  Speaker 6: I thought, you know, he's such a.
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  Speaker 1: Well the otherworldly and as Sean Penn would say, having
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  Speaker 1: a different chemistry than all of us, which is completely true.
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  Speaker 1: But the whole idea of him that there is so
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  Speaker 1: much footage between his work, his body of work, and
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  Speaker 1: his father's body of work and say Emilio's body of work,
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  Speaker 1: that it completely told every single part of his story
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, right, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like a lot of it.
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  Speaker 4: As soon as the devil's on his shoulder, we get
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  Speaker 4: an edit, we get the fastest edit of all time.
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  Speaker 2: How many times did your cargo over the canyon? What
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  Speaker 2: was that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean? I love that John Cryer's like Anyboddy, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just trying to work, you know. John Cryer opening up
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  Speaker 1: this I thought was a great way to start it
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  Speaker 1: with his right, I mean, I thought that he was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not here to like give him what he said exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not here to excuse his behavior, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: here to uplift him. I'm just simply here to say, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: what a guy.
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  Speaker 4: And I read after the fact that Charlie she Never
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  Speaker 4: had not talked to him about any of this, and
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  Speaker 4: that he was actually very grateful for John Cryer's take
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  Speaker 4: on him, because he said it was like hearing like
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  Speaker 4: a very thoughtful therapist analysis of Charlie Sheen. He was like,
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  Speaker 4: it was like such a light bulb to watch Crier
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  Speaker 4: in the documentary talking about him.
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  Speaker 2: So I thought that was I liked this documentary.
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  Speaker 4: I just know that I was like, I respect that
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  Speaker 4: he was willing to give us the broad strokes of
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  Speaker 4: the shit in terms of like maybe there was some
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  Speaker 4: legal ramifications for him, but like in I do think
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  Speaker 4: I could have used some.
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  Speaker 6: More Oh sure, one hundred thousand percent.
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  Speaker 5: Like you're dealing with an addict who is at the
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  Speaker 5: top of his game. In terms of what an addict
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  Speaker 5: can be. It's like boom, like wow, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: so half of it is going and that's why it
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  Speaker 5: is super important to have other people talk. And quite frankly,
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  Speaker 5: John Cryer didn't say anything crazy. He just got some
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  Speaker 5: stuff off his chest, you know, but he had some
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  Speaker 5: things to just like he's been waiting for this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but nobody went in, including Denise, like no one in it.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe they did to your point, Emily, and it didn't
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  Speaker 5: make it in to the film, But it's like he's
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  Speaker 5: still being protected by the machine, right ultimately.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he wants to tell a story, and in
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: order for him to tell his story on his terms,
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  Speaker 1: he'll have to get people that he knows will protect
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  Speaker 1: him on some level. So and we knew that him
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  Speaker 1: and Denise have a fairly good communicative relationship at this point.
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  Speaker 1: We know that he and Brooke also do, and that's concerning.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was concerned for her during this whole documentary.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this is I mean, were you seeing
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  Speaker 1: what I was seeing? Like the slurred words and very
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: I'm very concerned about her.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean Dirty Dancing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know where to quite start where
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  Speaker 4: she fell in love with Charlie Sheen when because of
• 8:43
  Speaker 4: Dirty Dancing, but because you know, there's really just one
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  Speaker 4: dude in that movie and it's not Charlie Sheen. But
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  Speaker 4: I'm shocking, but I'm willing to give her the benefit
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  Speaker 4: of the doubt that she did as many drugs Charlie Sheen,
• 9:01
  Speaker 4: and we see that on it. With a normal person,
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  Speaker 4: sometimes it just fries your brain and there's not really
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  Speaker 4: coming back from that.
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  Speaker 2: So I kind of wonder if she's.
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  Speaker 5: In that that's actually very possible. Yes, quick quick adjustment.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's Perasbueler's day off.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely it is.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: It is, Yes, But she was getting Dirty Dancing, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because Jennifer Dray was Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Wait, I thought, I was like, I don't remember him
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  Speaker 5: in Dirty Dancing, and I'm going to the whole movie
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  Speaker 5: like I'm going I'm in the Catskills I'm like, I'm
• 9:35
  Speaker 5: like trying to find Charlie.
• 9:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, You're okay, I got it. Sorry, I just had
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  Speaker 6: to like Charlie.
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  Speaker 3: The cat's skills, got it.
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  Speaker 1: Unless there's someone up there that I can give him
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  Speaker 1: a tennis ball size.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, I was in the banquet hall
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  Speaker 5: looking at the couples.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, I was he in the Talent Show, you know?
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, Brook gets her Jennifer Gray movies
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: confused because she's a huge Jennifer Gray diehard fan.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I had the fairest Bueller's Day off Jennifer Gray story.
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  Speaker 1: I loved that story. I mean that really was the
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: beginning of his career. And I didn't realize that. I mean,
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys did, but I think
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: it was that, you know, all we all felt the
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  Speaker 1: pain of him being very excited about this role, on
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  Speaker 1: him going down there and John Hughes being like, yeah,
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: you look great, show up tomorrow, and then him being
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: like just five more minutes and oh, just the panic
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  Speaker 1: inside of me. And I'm sure anyone watching this like
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: the opportunity and that the snooze button and then getting
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: down there and getting read the ride act by Jennifer Gray,
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: thank god, But that John Hughes when he walked on
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  Speaker 1: set was like, so glad you're here. I thought, Wow,
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: this is an outstanding human being that is unlike what
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: we hear about in Hollywood. And I wondered if it
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: was because he was well, I was just gonna say.
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: I wondered if it was because Martin Sheen is his father.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure it could be.
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  Speaker 6: He also could have really liked the look.
• 11:04
  Speaker 5: And you know, call times can be flawed, you know
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  Speaker 5: what I mean, like it may not have a cotton
• 11:09
  Speaker 5: day and its just like, oh yeah, it looks great.
• 11:12
  Speaker 5: I've had him on my mind like whatever he's laid,
• 11:15
  Speaker 5: who cares, you know, you know who knows, but who knows?
• 11:19
  Speaker 5: But he is we I did kind of like throughout
• 11:22
  Speaker 5: the thing, I'm like, oh, you're just You're just one
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  Speaker 5: of us, which is like, I mean, I say this
• 11:28
  Speaker 5: with love, but like, you know, a lame actor. And
• 11:31
  Speaker 5: I mean that being like you're just.
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: In trying to get that break, trying to get that.
• 11:37
  Speaker 5: Break, and you want all the things that actors want.
• 11:42
  Speaker 5: It's not you know, do you know what I yes?
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: And I want to say that that Ferris Bule.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: Seeing that Ferris Bueller scene again was really a great
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: It's such.
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  Speaker 3: A great scene.
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  Speaker 1: And I do remember the first time I was like, Wow,
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: that guy is captivating. He really stole the show. I mean,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: it's just his presence. It's unexplainable. I mean, that's why
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: he jumped off the screen.
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  Speaker 3: And you know.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I really enjoyed about. Two
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  Speaker 1: things I enjoyed about this documentary about his life only two.
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: One what an incredible person it seems like Martin Sheen.
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  Speaker 3: Is as a father.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: And two hearing about his upbringing and how passionate he
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: actually was about filmmaking and acting and how nerding, how
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: he nerded out with his brother, his brothers and his friends,
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: and hearing what that life was like in Malibu and
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: all of those videos that they did. I really enjoyed
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: seeing that it wasn't just some NEPO kid getting opportunities.
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: These kids even grew up in it. But they yeah,
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: they loved it.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: Even if it was NEPO.
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: This is my argument against nepotism. There's a price to
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: be paid even if it's NEPO. And we're seeing it
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: with Charlie Sheen with addiction and feeling inadequate and feeling
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: like you're there because of your dad and all that.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: So if you got you still have to overcome something.
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: Even if you got the job because of your family,
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: you're gonna have to deal with it.
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: You've got all the demons of the people that came
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: before you. I mean, it's a thoughtful it's not. But
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: to hear about Nick Cage. What an absolute lunatic. That
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: guy was going like being up in a castle and
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: being like I'm closer to the crime up here.
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  Speaker 3: It was like what.
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  Speaker 2: He as a human. But I will watch him in anything.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't know how I didn't know how weird he was.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: I really didn't know, did you know?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, I didn't realize, but you know.
• 13:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, question about John Patt, quick question.
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: About who was Oh god, yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Was he doing drugs at any point like during this documentary?
• 13:59
  Speaker 5: Did we see something at one point? I'm I didn't
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: he just Sean.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: Penn, I don't think so. I think that's Sean pat
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: And I will say I think.
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  Speaker 4: He really deserved like the Nobel Peace Prize for what
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: he did in terms of his his charity work and
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: his piece work.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: And it is crazy, like you can google all that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I want to hang out with him
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  Speaker 4: for more than ninety minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Thought, wow, that's a lot of time.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm willing.
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  Speaker 4: I think I want to meet him for ten minutes
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  Speaker 4: and the rest is going to be a lecture and
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: I'm able to follow it.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think what you were saying about Brook allegedly
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: is true about him as well, that he's probably moving
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: at a different pace now based on all of the history,
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: much like a lot of rock stars and celebrities at
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: that time. But what's wild is that Charlie Sheen seems
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: to be real on point. I mean, I guess, like
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: what how did he or vibe? That is the biggest question.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how he survived this, you guys a miracle?
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: How is he still alive?
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know? And I often think, like with somebody.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Like that, when you or like Keith Richards, where I'm like,
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: what if you never did one drug?
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Do you live to two hundred?
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: Like what probably would have died at thirty?
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that's true.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's some sort of preservation happening, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: I mean it is a miracle, and if you are,
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: I do think there should be like just a little
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: warning at the top of this documentary, like if you
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: are flirting with the idea of doing crack, do not
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: watch this, right because I'm.
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: Just gonna push over my god. I'm like, well, you
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: know what I mean.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: Like that.
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  Speaker 5: Sounds pretty well. Actually, you know that just scene that
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: he laid out, You're like, I won't touch that in
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: my human experience. You know that whatever that feeling was
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: that he had while he was trying crack for the
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: first time and getting a blowjob, Like, right, I'm in
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: no danger of experiencing that in my lifetime. Yeah, but
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: but wow, you know, like if you're on the brink.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Someone's gonna he's romanticizing it. He's publicizing it in a
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: way that it's yeah, look, it's a pr campaign for crack.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I mean, look, we've heard about it in
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: intervention many times. The feeling and what people how they
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: explain it, and it is one of those things where
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: you're like, that sounds amazing. Wouldn't we all like to
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: feel that way? Which is why it's such a dangerous drug.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: But it you know, the way that it happened with
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: him is so interesting because it just goes to show
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  Speaker 1: you if you are, you know, such a drug user
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  Speaker 1: and you're running in that in that fast crowd, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time before you get to
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  Speaker 1: the next step. It was just a matter of time,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: you know. If it wasn't that gal, that lady, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it would have been someone else. Now you know, I'm
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: kind of we're gonna be skipping around. But the biggest,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway for me was, oh my god, it
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: was the drug dealer that got him ultimately sober, Like,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: oh my god, the drug dealer.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Year and a half cutting down the crack, you mean,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: yeah to nothing.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: I wish that we didn't know that, and I wish
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: that he had never told him because in my mind,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: to your point, Deanna, that's when I was like, if
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: I'm Charlie Sheen.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I want to know that, right, I'll.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Just go get some other crack now, right, right, So, like,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's been sober, I guess not eight years now.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: He says seven or eight years at the top.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: But I both so what a way to believe you know.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: What? I was like, that's not something we should ever know, we.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Should we should have him believe that he really got
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: off and that's that.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: Wow, that's an interesting point, damn, because.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: There's nothing preventing him in a weak moment from going out,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: going out and just getting some crack that's real and
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: not watered down.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, his will to stay sober is you know,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: stopping him.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: But but an addict is an addict, is an addict,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: so like that voice can sometimes be loud enough to
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: just start that engine running again.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: So that's why I was like, we know, I mean,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm not sure. I think you've got a
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: really good point. You know, but if he's addicted, he
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: you know, whether he knew or not. As you said,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: an addict is an addict, he would have just maybe
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: done something.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Else, which he did.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: He just went to alcohol, right, and then he had
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to end up getting sober from that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's an I think it's an interesting point.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: And it doesn't you know, he has been up and
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: down so many times that did I feel he felt
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent confident that it wouldn't be No, you know,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: like it's like that I'm on eight.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know if I'll make it denied.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: We'll see you know by day, you know, which is
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: the whole shebang, right, it's day by day, which is
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: how you have to keep your head. But even doing
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: something like this for someone like him, even within the
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: curation of it, you wonder what the effects of even
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: putting this out there for him will be, you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: because sobriety is so uh just it's not it's not
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: firm for him, you know, even with seventy eight years
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: under his belt.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I am impressed with the seven or eight. The you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: it was interesting the HIV situation, how he had to
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: put that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I forgot that, guys like that, that Charlie Sheen
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: has HIV popped out of my head completely when I
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: came back up.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god, I forgot that. Did
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: you guys have it?
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: No?
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: I did remember, because he's like one of those people
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: in my head, like Magic Johnson, where I'm like, Okay,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: he's doing fine, he's doing fine.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Like that kind of thing. Oh right.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: What was odd to me is that he knew for
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: a fact he'd never given it to somebody.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, how would you know, right?
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: How would you know?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: How do you know, as Larsa would say, right.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Because the person who's in this interview seat is not
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: the person who was in his addiction. So it's like
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: and the lack of accountability. I mean, I think that
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: consequences came up quite a few times, and you really
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: do understand that, Like, it is not a gift to
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: give people no consequences. Like him failing as hard as
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: anyone could ever fail and then being gifted a gorgeous
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: opportunity time and time again is just the patriarchy at
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: its finest, and also nepotism at its finest. And also
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: like you know, it's just in Hollywood, you know, really
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: and truly it's really I mean, it seemed almost like
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: he he was blaming I think on some level the
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: lack of consequences on the trajectory of his life.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: On some level.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he was looking for consequences. I think
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: he wanted a punishment. I mean, I think that's what
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: that's really at the end of the day. Maybe what
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: he was chasing, just like, you know, make me pay
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: for this success somehow.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: The sabotage, Yeah, I think a few people brought that
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: up about the sabotage. That is interesting because in some way,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: you really appreciate somebody being humble enough to be like,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I can't you know, I have this opportunity. So many
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: people don't get this. Do I even really deserve it
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: over somebody else? And I actually really respect that mindset.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: But his was so much more than just that, like
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: sabotaging on what level of like you know, when he
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: explained that story about Apocalypse Now and his dad having
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that night.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Fucking God, that the fact that he was on that set.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I know, there's Heart of Darkness, which is the documentary
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: about everyone losing their fucking minds. Can you just imagine
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: being a little kid and watching everybody around you just
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: be off.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I was like, this is why we
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: needed eight episodes on just that. But I mean, clearly
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: he's not going to talk about Marlon Brando losing his shit,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean yah, but he had to have
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: seen so much like I. That's where I just don't
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: understand how we can't get in there, right, I mean.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: But even his own father, that scene with the mirror
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: is iconic of Martin Sheen just fully losing his everything
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: and like, like, not as an actor, but as Martin
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Sheen and so I'm just like, and.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: So was he drunk at that time or not? And
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: did he have a drinking problem or not? Because I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: thought that he was going down that road of saying
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: that his dad did have a drinking problem. But then
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, he's just getting into his character
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and this is technique off the rails, this is Lee
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Strasberg beyond.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: That's what the documentary Heart of Darkness is. It's all
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: about the making of Apocalypse Now and it's all about
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: all of them losing their minds, like literally losing their
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: minds and having no grounding. I mean, that's why that
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: movie took so long to make and there's so much
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: foot Like even Francis four.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Coppola is losing his mind.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: But did they say the drugs that were alcohol were
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: involved in that is what I'm asking yea, But was
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: he an alcoholic?
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he was an alcoholic, but I
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: know that, like, there was a lot going on in
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: that set to like, and.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there was a dicktion.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I just know that there was a lot going on
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: on that right, Yes, I just like the terms of
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: drugs and alcohol, but.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, like there was something.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Above that going on, that everybody was just chaos iconically,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: just one of the most chaotic sets of all time.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Wow, sounds like LSD. You know, it sounds like people
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: were just hallucinating his balls off.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as we moved forward in the documentary, and how
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: many times his father just kept giving him chance after
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a chance, and the support that he gave him, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: including his brother although I don't know, I mean, I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: say both of his brothers, his father and Emilia not
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: being in the documentary obviously there's no way, of course
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't be in that. I mean, that would be
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: way too painful. Now, his mom, his mom was not
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: talked about really at all.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: Just at the intervention, she was like, to have a
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: gun on you. But yeah, I.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that was odd too, and I thought like, well,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: maybe this is more like Charlie Sheen is protecting his
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: mom and his dad's in the public eye, and that's
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: what we want.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: To hear about. I don't know, but it was a
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: little weird.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: But he did say that they practice nudism, which can
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: be real weird when you're little.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, can you imagine.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Now I have a friend his parents did and you know.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: He yeah, you know, he turned out great. But like
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: it is, it is a it's a vibe for sure.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: I think it's it's an old school Malibu vibe because.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: It's probably true.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a really great podcast called Lost Hills. It's
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: a true crime, but they had an episode with Rob
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: low and if you only want to listen to that
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: to get the vibe of Malibu at that time, it
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: was fucking wild and very blue collar. So that's the
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: other thing to like, because we now think of Malibu
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: as being like like the most wealthy, but it just
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: wasn't that. It was like like those videos of them,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: like Charlie and Emilio like out there just getting concussions
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: on construction sites.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Like that's that was it.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: That was that was the vibe.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And that's and he did say it wasn't like you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: it was just a regular you know, community and neighborhood.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And it is so interesting that like Sean Penn was
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: there and Nick Cage was there. I didn't know Rob
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Lowe was there, but all these all these guys. It
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: made me think, well, we had that brat pack, you know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: back then, but what about this pack.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: This is like the crack pack.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It just it really was like, why aren't why haven't
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: we talked about this group before?
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I never even knew that they were all connected.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: That's interesting.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: When I first moved to La, I worked in Malibuy
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: babysat for a family that lived around the corner from
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Sean Penn's parents, and they were very very close with them.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: They're older, you know, obviously even twenty years ago, they
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: were they were old. But I wonder if he was born.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: I wonder if because they they had a you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: they he may have. Is Sean Penn from Malibou?
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: Did he grow up? I wonder, That's what we're saying.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: They were literally they were all there. He was like
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: in those films too, I'm saying. And then Chris pen
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: Chris Penn was like Emilio. Yeah, they were all in there.
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: That's what's so crazy.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And they were also.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Quite lovely, you know, the parents. I mean they really,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: you know, his parents were lovely. That Martin Sheen and
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: his wife seemed like it's like a lovely you know.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: It's like the too much son, I think a little
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: too much son.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it was a very liberal time, and I don't
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: mean by politics I just mean by the way of life.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: It was very hippie. It was very like we're nude
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: now or by the beach. We're living in a way
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that our parents didn't and that did not bode well
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: for most of those people. Now it did bode well
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: for the entertainment world because it gifted us with a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, great actors and things like that,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: but at the price of I don't know of what.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I encourage you to listen at Roblow episode because I will, Okay,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: it sounds magical and horrible at the same time.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: It's called I Think It's Malibu.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: That episode is like the Land of Milks or something,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: just to give you an idea of just.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Like what's going Wow, but is Robinson just left and right?
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but like also again very blue collar, just like
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: it was kind of like what we think of California
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: now as being like like.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: We're trying anything new.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Wave healthy, but like also back then in Malibu, but
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: we have like twenty bucks, so it's like.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: You know, and then very rural.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: So to the fact that Martin Sheen like and decided
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: to move from New York and move there, like I
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: think he really was like, We're just going to raise
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: our kids in the woods and I can get to
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: the set quick of a movie that I you know
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: what I mean?
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Like that was the vibe. I like that vibe.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: Martin is Martin Sheen from The Bronx. Do we know?
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: Sorry to ask that question, but I don't know. I'm curious.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: I will look that up on my own time.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Wrong.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna talk more about the Charlie Sheen documentary
• 29:16
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  Speaker 1: We're talking the Charlie Sheen doc obviously, and with Deanna
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  Speaker 1: Chang and Emily Dresis karate Kid. He was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: dad being like, you gave them your word on this film.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's such a dad. I feel like my dad
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  Speaker 5: would say the same damn thing. You Now, that's such
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: a dad move.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: And interesting because not only a dad move, but like
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: a Hollywood actor who has morals and ethics and it
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: just wants to raise his son right despite it being
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a Hollywood thing. I mean, it's just amazing that he
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: did that. I don't know if it was the right
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: thing or wrong thing, but I appreciate it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was the right thing. Ralph Macio
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: was ten times better for that movie.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, he was. He was really meant for that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, he had a vulnerability about him that I'm
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: not sure that Charlie Sheen would have ever been able
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: to get. Yeah, I mean he was supposed to be
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: like the weak kid in school, you know what I mean,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Like Charlie Sheen comes off as a completely different vibe.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised they were even going to cast him.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Ralph Maccio was exact right and like
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: to that end. Like, it's always interesting to me when
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: you hear about the first choice. I can't even imagine
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: that now, Like it can't even imagine Charlie Sheen and
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: that that It's like a joke to me.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: How old would he have been in his like where
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: was he? That was? That was before he hit at all? Right,
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: that movie that was.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Kriddaie Kid came out in eighty four and Ferris
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Bueller's eighty six, so they filled Friday Kidd in eighty three.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: See it's hard because you can damn Emily. I know
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: she'd be really having it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: She'd be Karate Kid two came out summer k three.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Because like he you know, it's yeah, I can mentally
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: get there with him, but I think to both the
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: points like Ralph Macio is like the big white eyes
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: and you know, yeah, but.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: Charlie Sheen's small.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: He's a small, small guy. It's just you know, it's
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: so weird how people appear. Yeah, tiny guy with a
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: big ass with it right, he's yes, yeah, well he
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: could have done it, you know.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I there were so many surprises in this movie, and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: one of them was like, I didn't you know his
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: first child it was really like very much raised by
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: his parents, right, didn't know, didn't know anything about it. Uh.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: The first woman that he was like like his first
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: wife was somebody met on that commercial? Yeah, that commercial
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: wild the Sheen versus the Sheen's versus Jordan was an
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: extraordinary thing to behold.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: And that was that was in eighty four, right, that
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: was Michael Jordan, like being like the most iconic UNC player,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: like about to write, wasn't in eighty four.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I don't just say it, and don't quest in yourself,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and certainly don't ask us.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I already questioned myself. Kredi Kid Too came out in
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: eighty six. Kredi Kid three is eighty nine, thank you, addendum,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: thank you.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: But the Jordan thing was amazing. I it just was incredible.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: It was incredible.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: I mean he Martin Sheen and those sinking those shots, okay.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and him beat like the baseball like you know
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: when him doing that home run when he came out
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: of rehab and all that other So he really is
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a sportsman. Yeah, after Ferris Bueller and then it really
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: bumps up. He gets Wall Street and then he gets Platoon.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Now here's what I want to ask you, guys, because
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I wasn't certain about this. So with Platoon, his brother Emilio,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: from what I understood, like he okay, so Charlie auditioned.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: He did a bad job. He said he did poorly,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and apparently Amelia was supposed to be in it. Then
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: they they pulled back on the movie and they didn't
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: do it for like a year and a half or two.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Then the next thing, yes, the movie was postponed, and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: then yeah it was Oliver Stone.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: So then Oliver Stone's like, well, he wanted Charlie to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: be in it, so then he got the part, and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: then not Emilio. And then remember in that one moment
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and Charlie was like acting very smug and they're like, well,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: so Emilio wasn't in it or and he's like, yeah,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I meant to be, Like he got that part away
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: from his brother, and we know about that sibling rivalry,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: So was that true that he got the part over
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: his brother because that would have caused problem.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I think Emilio was booked.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: I think it was a say he was like on
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Grizzly three the Predator instead of Charlie being in Grizzly
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: to the Predator, like he had some other commitment and
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: couldn't care Timeline thank you.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: And we know Martin's not going to agree with pulling
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: him out of there.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: But I also think, like when you see Amelio Estevez
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: at that time. I mean, it looks he looks way
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: too much much like Martin Short in Apocalypse Now Martin Short.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, why Martin Shore was in that? He must have
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: been phenomenal.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: He was losing his was phenomenal.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Must see.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Was exactly they are doppelgangers for each other.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: It would have been the weirdest director.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Choice for Oliver Stone to put Emelia Estevez in that.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: It would have just just saying, oh, you're just doing
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: but he was going to.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: But he was going to.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: That's why it's so weird to think.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Okay, guys, now, as darlings, we have reviewed the documentary
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: with Andrew McCarthy right where he was getting all his
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: brad packs together and.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: Amelia, and how do we say it's not Estevez? Like
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: I hate when these.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: Names would get revealed, and you're like Steves, like, well,
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: I've been saying, why didn't anyone ever, Why would not
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: a PR person jump in there and get it sorted?
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: But he was in that, you know. So I'm wondering
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: timeline wise, Emily.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: When they filmed.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Like when that article came out, that, when that article
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: came out and when Platoon went is that what you're saying,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: is that what you're going there?
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: Oh no, but I am interested in that.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: I was wondering, like he chose to do that reluctantly documentary,
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: but he didn't choose to do his brothers, you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: And so I'm curious which one. I wonder if that
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: I am just curious when they filmed the Andrew McCarthy one,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: and if he was like, had a bad experience and
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: then was like, no, I'm definitely not doing yours either.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Charlie or Well was in eighty four, and Breakfast Club
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: came out in eighty five, so that's like the brad
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Pack is kind of like seeing that.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the article had not come out when he
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: was originally Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, got got it.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I mean my take on Emelia not doing this documentary,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: it was a no go from the start. There was
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: no way he was ever going to do it. He
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: has such dark feelings for him before his brother. His
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: brother put him through hell. I mean, I can't even
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: imagine what they've been through. So you know, with Rob Low,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: that's light, that's nothing, that's like butter on toast. I mean,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: even though like Emilio still seemed bothered by it. He did,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: but I don't. I think that that doesn't even scratch
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the surface when it comes to his brother. I mean,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I write yea, although his other brother who I didn't
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: even know existed, who is a spinning image. He's like
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the amalgamation of both. Yes, so weird it is.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: I can't look at him without being like, who am
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I looking at?
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: It's so yild.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: I also think, like with Rob, I was surprised Rob
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Blow wasn't in this, So I'm wondering if the.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: If he's because because he was at.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: The intervention, and I'm wonder like they, you know, if
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: there's and friends that were like, look, we talked to
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Amelio and Martin and we just want to like not
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: co sign this because we don't know. To John Cryer's
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: point at the beginning, there's a pattern of Charlie like
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: being on top of the world and that's the tipping
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: point till he goes down. So we don't want to
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: co sign that. And I wonder if that there's you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: enough people that are like.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's possible.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I agree with that, But there's also something about Rob
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Low had a very sticky middle there, and we don't
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: know how Charlie and Rob's cross pollination happened. And I
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: mean they who knows what happened with them? And so
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: that's might be a little bit too close for comfort,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: you know, because Rob would have to go on there
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: and he'd be almost like outing himself in a way,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: and he's not ready. He's not want to talk about
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: himself like he's done that. He's in a great penny.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been sitting pretty for a minute. No one's
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: even going back.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't want to know get in there.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So then the Wild Things, that's such a great movie.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Not wild Things, wild Thing, Oh that's interesting. The baseball
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: movie wild Thing. And then she got a wild base. No, no,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: the base thank you?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Sorry?
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I always call out sorry.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Because that was his song. That's a song in it,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I know, I just yeah. But then Denise's movie is
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Wild Things.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Right, and she comes out to the song major league.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: AnyWho?
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Wait wait, getting back to the Kelly Presson thing, I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: made a notius because when we saw a reporter coming
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: up to her fucking door, knock atty knock.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Like that's how it was back then, you guys. They
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: just walked up to her house.
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: They don't do that nowlor I thought she was in
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: a trailer? Am I tripping? Maybe it was her house?
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw a door trailer handle. Could am I
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: wrong about that? And how would they get on set?
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: But I think to your point it was loose right
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: exactly exactly.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think like there's a little bit more
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: consideration now for something like that. Although like the way
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: that it's all going down right now with Denise and Aaron,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: I can't believe, like Inside Edition is giving any oxygen
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: to Aaron stuff and following Denise with the camera and.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: Stuff like I that's wild crazy.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, she is amazing, like she has I mean,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: I know, we haven't talked about that again. Yeah, she
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: the things she has been through, you know, and that
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: little story about her bringing the porn star her you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: cheese and ham sandwiches was just the epitome of.
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: Who she is.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: She is a she has a big heart and her
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: picker is for the streets.
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: It is so bad, you know, it's like.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Lord, Yeah, I mean she you know what was interesting,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: there's so much about her being a part of his
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: story throughout so much of his life, whereas you know
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: his first wife long gone, you know Brooke, I mean
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: she's there, but Denise was intrigal in terms of like
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: helping him realize like he's got HIV, this is not
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: coming off of drugs, like you know.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: There's that.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: There's the she intervened and took his children and cared
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: for them for a very long time. She went to
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: his house and when no one else could get to
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: him to try to like pull him back up on
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: some level, which hence the sandwiches. There were so many
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: things that she did and never like turned his back
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: on him. It's a strange thing to have that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Remember at that time, he was destroying destroying her publicly,
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: and this was grat I'm not even talking about how
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: bad he was in the divorce proceedings. I'm talking about
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: like even during the Goddesses. I mean he was just
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: going for broke against her. It was crazy. Publicly, he
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: was saying like the most horrible things, and I just
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: I like went back and looked, yeah, I mean again,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: just well.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: In that she didn't engage in it. It's kind of
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: like a lesson on somewhere. She was like, I'm gonna
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: let that because everything in your body would go put
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: out a statement, let me get in front of a camera,
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: let me explain. Just it's like, I'm going I'll let
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: this play out. I will come at the other end
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: of this, people will understand that I was not that person,
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: you know, and that he's a complete lunatic.
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: And it worked.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: It did work because it can't even work again because
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: of the things he was saying. And then that's when
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: she decided I'll do reality because she had nowhere else
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: to go. And that's when we all were like, she's
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: a really nice person. She's living with her father and
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: she has these kids, and you know, it's just it
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: was a really heartwarming reality show and it was the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: beginning of reality too. And that's the end of this
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: partial recap of the Charlie Sheen documentary. Thank you so
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: much for listening. If you'd like to listen to the
• 48:45
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• 48:48
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• 48:58
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• 49:00
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• 49:09
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• 49:12
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• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the podcast notes. Thank you so much, you guys. This
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: was quite the recapous Yeah, all.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Right, let's drama.
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: Just take a take a gummy and relax now
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: After this