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A New Era Of Hockey Is On The Horizon For The Flyers (PST Episode 613) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest
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  Speaker 1: running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world, twelve
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  Speaker 1: years strong. As we are celebrating and commemorating twelve years
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  Speaker 1: of the PSD podcast show this month here in April,
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  Speaker 1: it is great to be in your ears if you
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  Speaker 1: are listening on a podcast platform, whatever podcast platform, that is.
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  Speaker 1: Hello to our YouTube viewers out there, it is great
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  Speaker 1: to see you. This week, we have a bit of
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  Speaker 1: an abbreviated show. As you will see, there are no
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  Speaker 1: co hosts with me this week. Some scheduling issues have
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  Speaker 1: not allowed them to join us, but we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get into some Phillies talks, some brief Phillies talk right
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  Speaker 1: off the bat, and then we have a great guest
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  Speaker 1: joining us this week on the show to get into
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  Speaker 1: this upcoming Flyers offseason and what the long term future
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  Speaker 1: is going to be for this Flyers organization and team,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Gilbert from Broadstreet Hockey dot Com and the broad
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  Speaker 1: Street Hockey Podcast. He is going to join us to
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  Speaker 1: get into the press or this past week from Danny Brieir,
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  Speaker 1: the direction of this team, the goalie situation, what this
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  Speaker 1: upcoming NHL draft is going to look like for the Flyers,
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  Speaker 1: what type of strategies that they're going to be looking
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  Speaker 1: at as they continue to build for the future. Can't
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  Speaker 1: wait for that discussion with Ryan, so stick around for that,
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  Speaker 1: But I want to get into the Philadelphia Phillies and
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  Speaker 1: their season thus far, right out of the gate strong.
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  Speaker 1: They are first three series of the year. They won.
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  Speaker 1: As we know, we were all feeling good, feeling great,
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  Speaker 1: feeling confident about this team. They were able to compete
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  Speaker 1: with the Dodgers. We saw that, and then as we know,
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  Speaker 1: things have dramatically fallen off in just about every area,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's starting pitching, whether it's the bullpen, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: in the batter's box, runners in scoring position as well.
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  Speaker 1: We know that that has been a challenge for this team. Recently,
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  Speaker 1: I was on the Hit and Season podcast with our
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  Speaker 1: good friend and buddy John Stalness, who's appeared on the
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  Speaker 1: PST podcast show a number of times over the years.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about the state of this team and we
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  Speaker 1: dove into a lot of these themes here that I
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned. You'll want to go check out the Hitt
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  Speaker 1: and Season podcast as well. But also with regard to
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  Speaker 1: our discussion here, I think It's important to note that
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  Speaker 1: they're are so many questions concerning this bullpen, and right
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  Speaker 1: now the Philadelphia Phillies are missing two high leverage relievers.
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  Speaker 1: They are missing Jeff Hoffman and Carlos Estevez from a
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  Speaker 1: season ago. Both are thriving right now in their new homes.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Hoffman right now, he's got a one point five
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  Speaker 1: to nine ERA in ten appearances with five saves for Toronto.
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  Speaker 1: And meanwhile, Carlos Estevez, he's got a zero point nine
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  Speaker 1: zero ERA in nine games for Kansas City and he's
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  Speaker 1: got five games as well. Look, Ryan Kirkering, he has
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  Speaker 1: been struggling trying to find that one pitch that is
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  Speaker 1: really going to be able to help him, that one
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  Speaker 1: pitch in his arsenal that is going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to get him out of certain situations and get the
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  Speaker 1: team out of certain situations that they're in later in games.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Strom doing very well this year. Jose Alvarado doing
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  Speaker 1: very well this year. The sky's not necessarily falling when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to those two individuals. But really, let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about the one gentleman who is really not helping this
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  Speaker 1: team at all. Jordan Romano. My goodness, a rough start
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  Speaker 1: to this season, but as we have seen over the
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  Speaker 1: course of these past few games, his velocity has actually
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  Speaker 1: been increasing, yet still having issues on the mound. He
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  Speaker 1: can't be trusted. And it really goes towards this theme
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  Speaker 1: of this Phillies bullpen of who are they? What is
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  Speaker 1: their identity? They don't have one at this point, folks,
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  Speaker 1: they do not have an identity. In fact, I think
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  Speaker 1: that could be said for the entire Phillies team. At
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  Speaker 1: this point. The Phillies are so desperate for some bullpen
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  Speaker 1: help that they have officially moved starting pitching prospects Seth
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  Speaker 1: Johnson to the bullpen. He was acquired last summer, if
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  Speaker 1: you remember, in the Gregory Soto deal with the Orioles.
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  Speaker 1: He appeared in eight games across the Phillies organization last
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  Speaker 1: year following the trade. He has made four starts this
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  Speaker 1: year in Triple A had a four point four to
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  Speaker 1: two ERA across eighteen and one thirds innings that have
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  Speaker 1: been pitched. He made his debut out of the bullpen
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  Speaker 1: this past Tuesday night and went two hitless innings while
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  Speaker 1: striking out to and walking to so from reports, the
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  Speaker 1: Phillies believe that his fastball was able to get up
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  Speaker 1: to about ninety eight miles per hour as a reliever,
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  Speaker 1: averaged around ninety six miles per hour last season along
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  Speaker 1: with his slider and what that has been coming out
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  Speaker 1: of the bullpen. So the key for Seth Johnson is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be limiting walks. We're gonna have to see how
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  Speaker 1: this goes again. We know the Phillies bullpen can certainly
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  Speaker 1: use all the help it can get, as they have
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  Speaker 1: entered and are going to be entering this coming series
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  Speaker 1: against the Chicago Cubs, the second worst bullpen in Major
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  Speaker 1: League Baseball with a five point seven zero ERA. Something
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  Speaker 1: has to be done. But you also look at the
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  Speaker 1: starting pitching and it's it's really bizarre what we have
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  Speaker 1: seen from Aaron Nola. Maybe it isn't bizarre because in
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  Speaker 1: odd number years as we are in now, Aaron Nola
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  Speaker 1: struggles in even number years, Folks, not sure if you
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  Speaker 1: know this. He thrives, He pitches so well in even
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  Speaker 1: number year. It is the most bizarre thing that I
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  Speaker 1: have ever seen, I think in Major League Baseball, specifically
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  Speaker 1: from a pitching perspective. Aaron Nola is struggling. Zach Wheeler
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  Speaker 1: isn't having the best season. Thankfully, Christopher Sanchez has been
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  Speaker 1: the quote ace of this starting rotation and now he's
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  Speaker 1: dealing with an injury. They need to massage that injury
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  Speaker 1: so well to make sure that he is able to
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  Speaker 1: come back and have no issues with that forearm at all.
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  Speaker 1: When we talk about the batting on this team as well,
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  Speaker 1: I just think the runners in scoring position situation that
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  Speaker 1: this team has been in, and we talked about it
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  Speaker 1: last week with Destiny Legardo on the show in our discussion,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lack of execution. It's a lack of situational
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  Speaker 1: awareness from this team, and that really is the most
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  Speaker 1: disturbing part because you have veterans on this team who
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  Speaker 1: have been around this game a very long time and
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  Speaker 1: should have a better understanding of situational baseball. At the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, they don't. Trey Turner, even Bryce
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  Speaker 1: Harper has said, you know that the time is coming
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  Speaker 1: or the time has come at this moment to stop saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's early in the season. They need to perform. They
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  Speaker 1: are veterans. They know what's at stake right now. At
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  Speaker 1: this point of us recording this, they're five games behind
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  Speaker 1: the New York Mets, who quite frankly, they've got all
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  Speaker 1: the vibes right now, don't they. Man This team, they're
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  Speaker 1: actually their fan base has actually been critical of Juan
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  Speaker 1: Soto as late because of his ops numbers. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know things they are seeming to working, seemingly working out
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  Speaker 1: for the Mets at this point. Soh With that being said, folks,
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  Speaker 1: this team, this Phillies team, from an overall picture, they
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  Speaker 1: do not have an identity. They do not know who
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  Speaker 1: they are, and I think that's a problem. My level
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  Speaker 1: of concern is probably around a five to six at
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  Speaker 1: this moment. I'm not one hundred percent sure that these
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  Speaker 1: guys are gonna be able to get out of their heads.
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  Speaker 1: The sports psychology aspect of the game of baseball has
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  Speaker 1: really been taking its toll on this team. This team
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  Speaker 1: who has so much experience under their belts, just can't
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  Speaker 1: seem to find that identity. And there is an issue
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  Speaker 1: with that. There's a major issue with that. So we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna keep following this team. We're gonna keep following the
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  Speaker 1: Phillies moves that they make. They're gonna have to do
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  Speaker 1: something in terms of the bullpen, and bullpen needs a
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  Speaker 1: spark for sure. This team needs a spark at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day overall, but we're gonna keep on
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  Speaker 1: it here at the PST podcast show. So with that
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  Speaker 1: being said, again, we have an abbreviated show there here
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  Speaker 1: this week. We are gonna be talking to Ryan Gilbert
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  Speaker 1: from broad Street Hockey dot Com and the broad Street
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  Speaker 1: Hockey Podcast in just a few seconds here, but we
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  Speaker 1: do want to take a break and we're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: back in just a bit. We're gonna have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of great Flyers talk and now on the table joining
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  Speaker 1: us this week from broad Street Hockey dot Com. And
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: you can also listen to his voice over at the
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  Speaker 1: broad Street Hockey Podcast. I listen on Apple Podcasts and
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: you can listen on whatever podcast platform you are listening
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  Speaker 1: to us on. And it is great to see him.
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  Speaker 1: Great to have him in his little studio as he
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  Speaker 1: is coming into my little studio to get into this
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  Speaker 1: Flyers off season. Thank goodness, we've got the one and
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  Speaker 1: only Ryan Gilbert.
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  Speaker 2: Hey you doing buddy, I'm doing good. I always a
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  Speaker 2: pleasure to join you here, Jeff, first time here on
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  Speaker 2: video with you. So this is a big step up.
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  Speaker 1: It is a stream yard here.
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  Speaker 2: I like seeing it but yeah, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I wish we were talking about the playoffs or something else.
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  Speaker 2: I know, you got to go through the lows to
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  Speaker 2: enjoy the highs. Exactly another rebuild, Yet.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly how many lows do we have to go through
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  Speaker 1: in Flyers Nation? It is constant, right.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like a lot of lows for years, decades.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely we're going to get into some of those lows, folks.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you worry. We're going to be getting there. On
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  Speaker 1: this discussion and within this podcast episode. Well, I want
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  Speaker 1: to dive into some of the reflections of this past
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  Speaker 1: season with you, Ryan. We saw some good things, we
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  Speaker 1: saw some not so good things, a lot of not
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  Speaker 1: so good things here. So I want to get into
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  Speaker 1: both to get this discussion started, because I think we
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  Speaker 1: kind of have to dissect what we saw this past
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  Speaker 1: season and evaluate where that goes in terms of what
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  Speaker 1: we should be seeing for this Flyers team and organization
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  Speaker 1: during this coming off season. So let's let's let's get
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  Speaker 1: into the negative aspects of what this season was here first.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, there were certainly a bunch of them, of course,
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  Speaker 1: John Tortorella being one of them. I know you and
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  Speaker 1: I both and the majority of Flyers Nation. We were
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  Speaker 1: very happy when he was relieved of his duties as
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  Speaker 1: head coach of this team. And I even though he
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  Speaker 1: was a negative, that was an actual positive in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: being able to really start or at least the front
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  Speaker 1: office having the opportunity to start thinking about where they
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  Speaker 1: want to take this team and who's going to lead
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  Speaker 1: it in the future. But let's get into some of
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  Speaker 1: your negatives here, because I was and that was actually
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  Speaker 1: more of a prop positive with John Tortorella not being here.
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  Speaker 1: So notable negatives of this season. What are some of
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  Speaker 1: those for you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the obvious thing is the goaltending, but we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get it right a little bit, so, I mean the
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  Speaker 2: other pretty obvious thing is the power play and it
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  Speaker 2: just seems to be year after year, no matter what
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  Speaker 2: the personnel is. I mean, it's been Rocky Thompson has
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  Speaker 2: been coaching for a few years now. The Flyers have had,
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  Speaker 2: you know, close Little League Worst power Play brierre joke.
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  Speaker 2: They took a bait be stepped from twelve percent to
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  Speaker 2: fifteen percent, which it was good to see. Have a
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  Speaker 2: meetch cooff there. But you have all these talented players
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  Speaker 2: you have meach Coff, you have Connectne, you have Forster
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  Speaker 2: take a step forward, you have Drysdale now could be
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  Speaker 2: on the point, like, you have these guys who you
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  Speaker 2: really want to see more out of on special teams
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  Speaker 2: and penalty kill too, but I mean primarily the power play,
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  Speaker 2: like and it took them till the final weeks of
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  Speaker 2: the season to finally try out that five forward power play. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: briera said he liked, but why not try that earlier
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  Speaker 2: when you're oerver twenty or whatever you are. But the
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  Speaker 2: power play is always going to be a big thing
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  Speaker 2: because you watch these playoffs and you see these teams
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  Speaker 2: they go on a power play and it's a huge
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  Speaker 2: opportunity for them and for the Flyers. It was just like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, another power play. Let's hope they don't get
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  Speaker 2: scored on.
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  Speaker 1: Right exactly, And I think that when we look at
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  Speaker 1: the positives. Of course, I had mentioned John Tortorell being
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  Speaker 1: relieved of his duties as head coach, mattve Beachkoff coming
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  Speaker 1: to the United States making a significant impact. I mean
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  Speaker 1: Danny brier and his presser this past week's I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe the guy was actually as good as he was
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: I think he'd scored twenty goals, so I think he
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  Speaker 1: said that if I'm not mistaken in your mind, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think Matt ve Mitchkoff is really the answer of
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  Speaker 1: the more positive takeaways from this past season. Aside from him.
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  Speaker 1: Are there any others that really come to mind for
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  Speaker 1: you that you can say, you know what, this was
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  Speaker 1: a good foundational piece, this was a positive from this season.
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  Speaker 2: There's actually a lot of them, which is surprising because
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  Speaker 2: they were the fourth worst team, the fourth lowest point
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  Speaker 2: so the fourth best draft odds. But ye, Mitchkoff is
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  Speaker 2: the obvious one. Tyson Forster had a tremendous season, and
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  Speaker 2: really that whole line, the Forster, yeah, Noah Kates and
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  Speaker 2: Bobby Brink. That line got put together in late November.
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  Speaker 2: They were taking apart for a little bit here and there,
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  Speaker 2: but they were primarily put together and looked like a
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  Speaker 2: legit like third line on a good team, a second
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  Speaker 2: line for the Flyers, but a good third line on
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  Speaker 2: a good team. And then you see that Forster scoring
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  Speaker 2: barrage at the end of the season, the hat trick
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  Speaker 2: against the Rangers, a few good snipes in their two goals.
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  Speaker 2: Another two goal games. So you really see Forrester as
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  Speaker 2: a guy who, you know, a first round pick, you
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  Speaker 2: came in, you know, known for his shot, not being
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  Speaker 2: a great skater, and he's turning into one of the
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  Speaker 2: best two way players on the team. And I think
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  Speaker 2: he's starting to get recognition around the league there. And
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  Speaker 2: also on defense, like there's no defenseman that you're like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to see him out there right now.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 2: They have three decent pairs. There's no bad pair. There's
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  Speaker 2: no there's no Andrew McDonald or keith Yandle or someone
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  Speaker 2: like that. It's like, okay, third pair, Zamoula, andre I
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  Speaker 2: don't love it, but you can deal.
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  Speaker 1: With it, right absolutely, Look, folks talking to Ryan Gilbert
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  Speaker 1: from the Broadstreet Hockey dot com broad Street Hockey podcast
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  Speaker 1: as well, Ryan, can you tell everybody where they can
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: find you out there on the interwebs if they wanted
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: to follow you, catch your work and things that you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can follow me still on Twitter at our
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: Gilbert Sop, but more so on Blue Sky at Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Gilbert dot Besky dot Social. Yeah, brostrieto read there, listen
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: to the broad Street Hockey Podcast, and if batting is
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: your thing, I understand it's not for a lot of people.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: But I do host the Hockey Gambling podcast as well.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. How could I forget? Yes? Absolutely, and you
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: do a great job with that podcast too, folks, real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Our social media sites and where you can follow the
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Sports Table, myself and my co host Eric. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. Len is not on social he is actually
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: giving himself a mental health break. Bless his soul here.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: But if you are watching on YouTube, here are the
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• 15:37
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  Speaker 1: at Brick Pollitt. We're also there on threads and you
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: can like our Facebook page as well. Getting back into
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: this Flyers you know, upcoming off season here and what
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: one particular position is going to look like long term,
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  Speaker 1: and you kind of mentioned it a few minutes ago.
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  Speaker 1: Here is the goalie situation and I'm just wondering what
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  Speaker 1: this goalie situation is going to look like long term
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  Speaker 1: for the Flyers. Here, Ryan sam Erson just doesn't seem
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  Speaker 1: to be the guy that is that long term solution
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  Speaker 1: that some of us were just really holding out hope for,
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  Speaker 1: even though in the back of our minds kind of
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  Speaker 1: knew that he wasn't. Ivan Fido tav Alexi Kolosov certainly
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  Speaker 1: didn't meet the moment and the expectations this past season.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you think the goalie situation really goes from here,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's during this offseason, even from a long term perspective,
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  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, fortunately, long term does look better. Luckily
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  Speaker 2: they have some decent prospects and Carson Jarnisen and the Ragin.
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  Speaker 2: He's very young, but he had great numbers in the
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  Speaker 2: KHL this season. But for the short term, I think
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  Speaker 2: this offseason they have to go out and add a
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  Speaker 2: veteran Tam mcgoli because Erison, Yeah, we all have high
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  Speaker 2: hopes for him, but I don't think he can be
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  Speaker 2: that fifty game starter. He can't be that clear number one.
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  Speaker 2: You might be able to be the top of a
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  Speaker 2: tandem rather than a one A or a one B.
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  Speaker 2: But I think they need to go out and get somebody.
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  Speaker 2: There's not a lot of great free agents out there.
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  Speaker 2: Jake Allen. He was with the Devils this year. He
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  Speaker 2: did pretty well in a tandem with Jacob Markstrom. Alex
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  Speaker 2: Lyon was with the Red Wings, he was here before.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he can do enough of a
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  Speaker 2: workload to be there for the other half of Aeron.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, Danzladar, David Ritich. But the one guy
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  Speaker 2: that I am kind of angling for and not everyone
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  Speaker 2: has been a fan of when I bring them up
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  Speaker 2: is trading for John Gibson. There's two years left Armors contract.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a six million dollar deal, so you have
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  Speaker 2: cast space the next two years because you have all
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  Speaker 2: these guys on their rookie deals, on their early deals,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, bring him in. He worked with Lucas
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Destol this year in Anaheim. He had a great season.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe he can be the one a They can both
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: like start around forty games. Both are a bit injury prone.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: And then in that case you bring up Aerson, or
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: bring up Clos offer Off or whoever from the Fantoms.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: But you need to put Arson in his ideal role
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: to let him possibly throw.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a very interesting notion, and you know,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: making sure that the goalie situation is going to be
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: solid over the course of these next two to three years,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: or I should say, when we get to that point
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: within the next two to three years. To make sure
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: it's solid is so very critical. I mean, we know
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: that that needs to happen. It's just, you know, I
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: just go back to it, and I hate thinking about
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Carter Heart and what he did to this organization and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: what he did to this particular position on this team
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: that was supposed to be solidified for so many years.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I hate you, buddy, I hate you. I am so
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: like I think about it and I start to get enraged.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: My face starts to get read here, So we should
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: probably move on to the next topic here. Danny Brier,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: in his recent press are talked about how the rebuild
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: was going to be shifting to adding more talent to
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the team. And I know that you recently talked about
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: on the broad Street Hockey podcast, Ryan, it seems that
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the team is gonna build around guys like you mentioned before,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Tyson Forrester or own Tip at Cam York, Noah Kates,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Bobby Brink, Jamie Drysdale, and of course Matt ve Mitchikoff.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Brier said that adding didn't necessarily mean bringing in outside
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: talent and acquisitions, but the promotion of players within the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: farm system. Thought it was interesting for him to note
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that and where he wants this farm system to go
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: in terms of this rebuild. What are your thoughts on
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: this sentiment and how this may look for the Flyer
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: season this coming year and even beyond.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think having those internal promotions, internal battles were
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: going to be important because you come to training camp
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: every year, there's always a battle, whether it's real or not.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: But this coming season, you got a lot of Brierre's
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: first draft picks turning pro. You got Luchenko, not Luchenko yet,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: but he's going to be on the team. You got Bank,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: you got Barkie, you have Gribenkin, who they got in
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the Lawton trade. You have all these guys that are
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: coming up and are gonna make the fanoms very exciting.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: And that's been something kind of a negative too, is
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: that like, sure we got to early like Sel, We've
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: got Rodrigo abol we got Anthony Richard, but none of
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: them are really like players that are gonna win a job.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: They're there because they have to be there because of injury.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of been a boring season for the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Phantoms over the past few seasons. It's kind of been like, honestly,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I haven't been to as many games.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: No, because they're all all the way out of the alettender.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, they're in the playoffs now. They finally have
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: those young guys now Luchenko joined them, Grimbenkan's there, bump,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: look bump, looking good as too good as well. So
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: you have these guys that are going to be pushing
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: in camp. Might not win a job, but if they're
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: getting hot in the AHO and the Flyers need a spark,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe those those fourth liners won't be us comfortable.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Well, moving along with the discussion here,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Danny Brierre is going to be looking at bringing in
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: some talent and free agency as well. We know this,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you know whether it is is a veteran goalie in
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the NHL. You know whether there are gonna be some
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: defenseman possibly brought in, maybe some wingers as well. I'm
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: wondering when you're looking at free agency and what maybe
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: coming down the pike, rind, you know what names intrigue
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you and do you think there could be some realistic,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: bigger type of names that end up coming to Philadelphia
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: when free agency starts.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: It is possible because the Flyers do have this reputation
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: now of taking care of their players, doing right by
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: their players, like the Eric Johnson trade. They didn't have
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to trade him, but now he has a chance on
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: the cup again with the team that drafted him first overall.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: So you could see maybe, especially with the salary cap
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: going up, these bigger names, the Flyers could give them
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: like ten million dollars, like two years, like a Like
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: they're not gonna get John Tavares, but someone like that Johnsavars,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Sam Bennett's out there. They probably not Brock Nelson another
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: center because you're looking at center or you're looking at goalie,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and goalie's not going to be a big name. There's
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: no big names out there in free agency, so it
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: would be a center. And I don't necessarily want to
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: bring him back in this leadership room, but Claude Deru
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: would hit this team so well. Yes, have him quarterback
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: to have from quarterback to power play. He can play center,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: he can play wing, he can take face offs. But
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they want to bring him in
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: when they have this this young core growing. So maybe
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: like Michael Granlund from he's on the Stars right now,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: but he may want to go win somewhere. I think
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the big name is we've heard it with offer sheets
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and restricted free agencies. Marko Rossi, the center in Minnesota. Yeah,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: he had sixty points this year. He's playing third, fourth
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: line in the playoffs for Minnesota. So either a trade
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: or an offer sheet for him, I think is the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: top target for me.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I take him. I'd absolutely take him at this point.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: So as we're moving along, the Flyers are currently sitting
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: at number four overall in the NHL draft. Think they
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: have a nine point five per chance of landing the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft lottery. This draft is
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: so important to this team, this organization, and US fans
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: as well, just because they have three first rounders here.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: In terms of this upcoming draft and their strategy here Ryan,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of course, we'd all like to see the Flyers end
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: up with a prospect, perhaps like Matthew Schaeffer. You know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I doubting that that's going to happen. But if they
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: don't end up with him, do you see Danny Brier
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in company? How do you see him handling their first
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: pick of the draft here?
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Brier's third draft. Now, the first year,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you know, mitchkov kind of fell into their lap at seven,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and then last year we saw, you know, there were
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: rumors after the fact that they were looking to move up.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: We obviously saw them trade back. So I think that's
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the one big thing with Brier, and he mentioned it
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: in his presser last week, is he's looking for value.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Like you said, they have those three first round picks,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: they have four picks in the first half of the
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: second round, like they have seven top forty eight picks,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and they're not necessarily going to use all of them.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: So I could very well see them, you know, trading
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: up if they do see one of those targets that
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: they really want, like a Schaefer, like a Michael Misa,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: or maybe if James Hagen's or Anton frontell falls down,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: they could trade back. And I think a lot of
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: fans will be like, all right, we have to go
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: out and get our center. But I wouldn't be shocked
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: if they think a winger like Porter Martone or Roger
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: McQueen is the best guy out there, and they'll be like,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: all right, let's get the best player available. Yeah, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: let's get the let's not pass that up and we
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: can go get a center elsewhere. So I feel like
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: it's a very important draft for Brierre. But this is
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: going to be the highest pick they get. I don't
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: think they're going to be this bad again. So they
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: have to make sure they hit on this one.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: When you look at this, I mean I didn't expect
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to ask you this, but when you when you do
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: look at this, of course we know that the center
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: is needed. You know, I mentioned in free agency maybe
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: they would look at a winger. Perhaps. I don't think
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: we can take the winger mentality and kind of shluff
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that off to the side, because with this team and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the inconsistencies that we've seen here and there from the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Wings every now and again. I mean, if you're able
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to develop somebody a top end talent, the value that
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, I don't think that's a bad thing
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: when it comes to hockey. When it comes to this
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Flyers team an organization in the midst of this rebuild here,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: if it ends up being a winger, I don't see
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: an issue with that at all. I would you agree
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: with that?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I agree because I don't think they have too many
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: wingers that have top six potentially exactique. He'll be a
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: top six winner for a while. Mitchkoff gonna be a
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: first line winger his whole career. Forster's looking top six,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: but Tippet probably more middle six. I don't know if
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: he's proven that. Yeah, then you know you got a
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: bunch of guys. You got Brink, you got Pelotier, you
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: got Halfaway's a fourth line, or you got all these
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: young guys. You don't have like that top top winger
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: besides mitchkov or like you can't. He's hopefully going to
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: be great, but he'll need someone to play with on
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the other side and in the middle. And everyone's like, oh,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: we need a one see, we need a one CE. Sure,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: but if you have two legit top line wingers on
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that line and you have a you know, a decent
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: decent two c as that one say, you can kind
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: of get by. So I don't think they should pass up,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: you know, getting a winger. I could see fans being
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: up in arms about it, but just get the best
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: player available. If players are dropping and you want to
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: trade back, sure if someone if if you're at four
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: and you want Mesa to go up and get up,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: like right, just I trust this front office right now
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: to do what they think is best with these draft picks,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: because we didn't like the Jet Luchenko pick, right, and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: then two months later we're like, oh, this is great exactly.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: You mentioned a keyword trust with regard to this front office.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I'm still trusting this front office. I'm still trusting Danny Breer. Look,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: not every single move seems to have quote made sense,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: but I think there has been a strategic plan in
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: place that we did not have prior to him taking
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the helm in terms of running this team and being
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the general manager. I am trusting Danny Brierre and I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: think that the majority of Flyers fans should be in
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that camp as well.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a clear plan. You may not agree with
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the plan, you may want them to bottom out, but
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: they have the plan of building the culture and then
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: getting the talent to fit the culture. Absolutely. Yeah, you,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I and fans try to put the issues of Chuck
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Fletcher and Ron Hextall and all these past gms on
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Ombrier because it's the same organization, and you get it's
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: all Flyers have been the same team past twenty years.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: They can't they can't get anything. It's always two or
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: three years away from being two or three years away.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: But this is a new front office. They came in,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: they said, we have to rebuild, we have to change things,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and they've done that so far. So I feel like
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and I don't think they've lost any move they've made.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I think that they've either won or at least, you know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: came out win win with their with their trade partners.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: So trust, I think is a big thing, and it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: all you can do. You can trust or you can
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: just complain all the time, which you know, that's fun exactly.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: If we're gonna be positive, you have to have some trust.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's fun to complain when they're on
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: losing streaks in the middle of the season, of course. However,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: all right, well Brian, before I let you go, buddy,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and I know it's a I know it's a general
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: question here, but is there any talent in this upcoming
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: NHL draft that you like, outside of outside of the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: first round that you think would be able to help
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: this Flyers team in terms of the rebuild in the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: years that come. Is there anybody sticking out to you?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if this guy is gonna fall
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: out of the first round. But he's falling down the
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: draft boards a lot. It's a Russian center Ivan rye Ckinn.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had, you know a lot of attitude issues.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: He hasn't been you know, in the KHL. He's over
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: in the us h L now. But if the Flyers
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: talk to him and they're like, all right, we think
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: this guy can come play with Mitchkoff, it goes back
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: to what we're just talking about, and it's the trust.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: It's okay. If the Flyers talk to this guy and
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: he can buy in, and you can get him with
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: one year later first round picks or an early second
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: round pick, go do it. Yep, you have, you have
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: seven picks. You can use one of those to take
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: a big swing on a guy that could end up
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: being you know, a top ten talent from this draft.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, folks, and we're gonna let him go.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: It was great, great talking Flyers with Ryan Gilbert from
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Broadstreet Hockey dot Com, the broad Street Hockey podcast. Again,
• 29:28
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• 29:30
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• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, primarily on Blue Sky at Ryan, Gilbert, Besky dot Social,
• 29:39
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• 29:40
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• 29:43
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• 29:45
  Speaker 2: still at our Gilbert Sop and then you have Brostreet Hockey,
• 29:49
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• 29:52
  Speaker 1: If you're into that type of stuff, you do. Good work,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: my friend, And that's gonna do it for us folks
• 29:57
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• 30:01
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• 30:39
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