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Chuck in the Morning 9/24 H3: 12th Man Round Table with Hugh Millen & Gregg Bell · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: As part of our nonstop coverage of the NFL, this
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  Speaker 1: is Chuck in the Morning's weekly visit with the 12th
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  Speaker 1: Man Roundtable with Hugh Millen.
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  Speaker 2: And Greg Bell.
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  Speaker 1: The 12th Man Roundtable is on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
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  Speaker 3: All right, 8 o'clock hour here in Sports Radio 93.3
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  Speaker 3: KJR FM. Chuck Powell, Anders Hirsch, and Travis Smoger with you.
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  Speaker 3: But the stars of the next hour of programming here
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  Speaker 3: at KJR are our roundtable participants, weekly roundtable participants, our
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks insider Greg Bell from the News Tribune, and, of course,
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  Speaker 3: our QB1, longtime NFL quarterback, former UW quarterback, and our
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  Speaker 3: top analysts here around these here parts for the better
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  Speaker 3: part of a quarter century.
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen is with us as well as we.
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  Speaker 3: Get ready to talk some Seahawks football here for the
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  Speaker 3: next hour. Off to a 2-0 start, the world champs,
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  Speaker 3: and getting set to take on the Washington Commanders in Washington, D.C.
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  Speaker 2: On Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: And so, let's get it underway. Let us talk about
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  Speaker 3: our quarterback situation.
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  Speaker 2: I think that comes first to mind, does it not?
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  Speaker 3: And Drew Locke's performance the last couple of weeks has
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  Speaker 3: been sterling, and yet... Greg, it does sound like Sam
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  Speaker 3: Darnold is back on the practice field and preparing to
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  Speaker 3: be the starter this Sunday. What's the latest we need
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  Speaker 3: to know about the QB1 status of the Seahawks?
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  Speaker 4: He did return to practice yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: First time two weeks to the day since he strained
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  Speaker 2: his glute.
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  Speaker 4: He was a limited participant, which they have to list
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  Speaker 4: him as if he doesn't take every one of his
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  Speaker 4: normal snaps.
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  Speaker 2: So they were divided.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it was split evenly, but they
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  Speaker 4: were divided between Drew Locke and Sam Darnold and his
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  Speaker 4: first team reps yesterday. The key is today, the key
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  Speaker 4: is how Sam Darnold's glute injury responds to being on
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  Speaker 4: the field for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: In two weeks yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: If it responds well, they're going to give me more
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  Speaker 4: of the first team reps.
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  Speaker 2: And the way the NFL works, Hugh.
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  Speaker 4: Knows this better than I do, the guy that gets
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  Speaker 4: the most first team reps is going to play.
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  Speaker 2: They're game plan reps.
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  Speaker 4: It's unusual to split it or divide it as they're
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  Speaker 4: doing it so far, but as the week gets on,
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  Speaker 4: if Sam Darnold proves he's healthy to do it, he'll get.
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  Speaker 2: More of the first-team reps.
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  Speaker 4: And Mike McDonald said yesterday, by the end of Friday,
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  Speaker 4: they'll know whether Darnold's going to be able to start
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  Speaker 4: or not, because by the end of Friday, they will
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  Speaker 4: have given him all the first-team reps he's going to
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  Speaker 4: get for the week. So today's the key day to
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  Speaker 4: see how he responds. He came out later than he
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  Speaker 4: usually does in practice yesterday. He didn't throw with Darnold
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  Speaker 4: or Locke and Jalen.
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  Speaker 2: Milrow at the start like he normally does.
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  Speaker 4: He came out later when they started stretching and then
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  Speaker 4: he started throwing and stretching at the same time so
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  Speaker 4: i took that as him getting extra treatment yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: But signs are trending back toward him playing but we're
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  Speaker 2: not quite.
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  Speaker 3: There yet you as somebody that has certainly experienced a
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  Speaker 3: week like this in your life uh as a quarterback
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  Speaker 3: in the national football league walk us through this tell
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  Speaker 3: us what this week is going to be like for
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  Speaker 3: both of these quarterbacks Yeah, well, first of all.
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  Speaker 5: I saw across my phone a headline that the Rubik's
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  Speaker 5: Cube was a record-setting solving by a six-year-old. I did
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  Speaker 5: not click on the headline, so don't ask me the details.
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  Speaker 5: But this story is not a Rubik's Cube. You have
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  Speaker 5: a quarterback in Sam Darnold who's 14-3, back-to-back years, Pro
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  Speaker 5: Bowl back-to-back years.
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  Speaker 2: He is a Super Bowl champion, and he's.
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  Speaker 5: Making $ 25, $ 30 million. So if he's healthy and he's
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  Speaker 5: good to go, he's good to go. The only asterisk
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  Speaker 5: to that is it's not just about healthy. Hey, do
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  Speaker 5: they feel like he's sharp and mentally not thinking about
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  Speaker 5: the hip and what have you? So there is a
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  Speaker 5: slight window where, if they don't feel like he's sharp,
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  Speaker 5: then you could see a situation where Drew Locke does
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  Speaker 5: start against the commander. So I don't think it's entirely
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  Speaker 5: set in concrete at this juncture, but if Darnold's healthy
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  Speaker 5: and he's practicing reasonably well, he's the guy.
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  Speaker 2: When would you have to make that decision, Hugh?
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  Speaker 3: At what point in the practice week do you feel like,
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  Speaker 3: You need to make this decision Thursday, Friday, Saturday, game day.
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  Speaker 5: When would you have to commit? The latest you'd make
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  Speaker 5: it would be after Friday practice.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. That would be the latest.
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  Speaker 5: And you could, in theory, if he were not to
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  Speaker 5: be sharp today, then you could start to say, well,
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  Speaker 5: let's work a lot of reps in for Friday practice.
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  Speaker 2: For Drew Locke.
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  Speaker 5: And so I think it's, while I think that the
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  Speaker 5: parameters are clear and not a puzzle, I think that
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  Speaker 5: the performance has not been definitively declared enough that we
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  Speaker 5: can say for sure that Darnold started.
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  Speaker 3: Hugh Millen, Greg Bell with us, our 12th man roundtable. Well,
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  Speaker 3: before we get too far away from Drew, it is
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  Speaker 3: the roundtable.
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  Speaker 2: It's about previewing. It is also about reviewing.
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  Speaker 3: So let's give him his flowers, Hugh, what you saw
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  Speaker 3: out of Drew Locke as a backup and how impressed
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  Speaker 3: you've been with his performance so far this season.
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  Speaker 2: I'm impressed.
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  Speaker 5: As impressed as I could possibly be. You know, he's
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  Speaker 5: number one in the NFL by PFF in quarterback rating.
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  Speaker 5: There's a subjectivity involved in that, which means that if
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  Speaker 5: you were, you know, 16 at 20, for 210 yards, whatever,
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  Speaker 5: that doesn't mean you played great. If you throw on
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  Speaker 5: the tape, you could just be doing checkdowns and guys
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  Speaker 5: are wide open, you have a screen and somebody runs
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  Speaker 5: for 50 yards, what have you. Just because you're amassing
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  Speaker 5: the impressive stats doesn't mean that you're really impressing at
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  Speaker 5: the position.
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  Speaker 2: But you throw on this tape, early on it.
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  Speaker 5: Might have been his second throw against the Patriots, he
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  Speaker 5: ran into a sack. Had he waited and stayed in
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  Speaker 5: the position, Jackson Smith and Jigba was uncovering on what's
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  Speaker 5: called an OTB route over the ball. From that point on,
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  Speaker 5: his pocket navigation and presence, he has moved when he
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  Speaker 5: needs to move. He has been stationary and stayed in
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  Speaker 5: the throwing position and stared down the barrel.
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  Speaker 2: He's thrown the ball in.
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  Speaker 5: Between the hash marks and the numbers, tight that Elijah
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  Speaker 5: Arroyo catch over the middle. He's throwing to JSN on
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  Speaker 5: deep hook routes. So he's throwing in the middle of
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  Speaker 5: the field. The out routes on third down. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he had a play against pressure where he was back on.
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  Speaker 5: If I was his quarterback coach, I'd say, damn, dude,
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  Speaker 5: that's like an inch away from the touchdown. the defender
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  Speaker 5: hitting your arm and possibly a scoop and score.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what? It wasn't, it was a beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: Smoke it far hash out route that, that on a
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  Speaker 5: third and long that got the completion.
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  Speaker 2: And you just go, damn, if we were in, in
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  Speaker 2: Josh Allen's.
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  Speaker 5: Quarterback room, we would say, Josh, that's why you're Josh Allen, right? Like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, so, So the guy's just playing out of
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  Speaker 5: his ass.
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  Speaker 2: He's leading. He's comfortable.
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  Speaker 5: Just watching him in the postgame presser, Greg, you know,
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  Speaker 5: just standing a few feet from him. What I loved
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  Speaker 5: about it, Greg, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, it didn't seem like it had shocked him. It
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  Speaker 2: was like, you know, ho-hum, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And so that told me something about this guy really,
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  Speaker 5: he has starter traits, always had it. close to 6'4, and.
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  Speaker 5: 228 at the combine, runs a.
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  Speaker 4: 464.
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  Speaker 5: That's probably in the top 25 percentile. He's got physical
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  Speaker 5: traits galore. And now he's learning how to play the position. And, man,
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  Speaker 5: is he impressive. He said he's a.
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  Speaker 4: Completely different man than he was when he started for
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  Speaker 4: the Broncos to begin his career. Sucked around pick for
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  Speaker 4: Denver 2019, led the NFL in interceptions 2020, got benched
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  Speaker 4: after an 0-3 start. And he said he's just a
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  Speaker 4: different person. Of course, anybody from 22 to 29 years old.
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  Speaker 2: He's married. Andrews will tell you a new baby will
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  Speaker 2: change you pretty quick.
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  Speaker 4: That's what happened to him in the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: And he said he's just completely different. He sees the
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  Speaker 2: game differently.
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  Speaker 4: He also mentioned that Sam Darnold's experience has helped his experience.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're parallels.
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  Speaker 4: Darnold came in the league, was a starter right away,
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  Speaker 4: as a top third pick overall in the draft for
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  Speaker 4: the Jets.
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  Speaker 2: A bad team. He didn't perform well. They benched him.
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  Speaker 4: He went to a couple teams, was a backup, a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of a nomadic career, similar to Locke. Now,
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  Speaker 4: of course, Darnold has found his starting stride and become
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  Speaker 4: a Super Bowl champion, $ 100 million quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Locke's hoping to do that. Locke is about the same.
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  Speaker 4: Age, 29, and Sam Darnold just turning 29. But no doubt,
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  Speaker 4: Locke made himself millions of dollars on Sunday in Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: He's a free agent after this season. The two-year contract
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks signed in two ended after this season.
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  Speaker 4: And he wants to play. He wants to be a starter.
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  Speaker 4: He's told me that repeatedly, including after the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: So the Seahawks are probably not going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to keep him now after the way he's performing.
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  Speaker 2: But, man, what an asset to have.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you've got the Giants and Jameis Winston, and
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  Speaker 4: you've got all these backup quarterbacks that have had to
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  Speaker 4: play around Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: They're down to their third-string quarterback in practice yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: And then the Seahawks have what might be now the
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  Speaker 4: most best-performing backup quarterback in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: It helps that whether it's Sam or it's Drew, that
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  Speaker 3: number 11 is out there on the football field.
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  Speaker 2: Hugh, I mean, I said it earlier this week. I
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  Speaker 2: said it to you.
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  Speaker 3: He might not be Jerry Rice, but it feels like
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  Speaker 3: we have a Jerry Rice. For people like Anders Hurst,
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  Speaker 3: this might be as good a wide receiver as he's
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  Speaker 3: seen in his life, the way that he's playing right now. And, man,
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  Speaker 3: that does make the quarterback's job easier when you have
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  Speaker 3: one guy that apparently can't be covered.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you just think of somebody that's at the highest
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  Speaker 5: level of their profession, of their craft, you know, somebody
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  Speaker 5: who's got a PhD and, you know, the nuances, every facet,
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  Speaker 5: every micro detail of route running, of releases, how to
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  Speaker 5: get off the line of scrimmage, the angle to take.
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  Speaker 5: When exactly, you know, so much of football, when I
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  Speaker 5: coach youth football, I'd say it's like, hey, Goldilocks and
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  Speaker 5: the porridge, you know, not too hot, not too cold.
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  Speaker 5: So much, you know, there's some things you want, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's Leonard.
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  Speaker 2: You want more.
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  Speaker 5: Be as fast as you can. You know, be as
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  Speaker 5: strong as you can hustle as much as you can.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But there's some.
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  Speaker 5: Things that many things on a field where you like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: not too much, not too little. You you want to
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  Speaker 5: give a little shoulder nod. If you do it too much,
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  Speaker 5: you're going to slow yourself down. You're going to bury
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  Speaker 5: yourself in the right too far inside. You're going to
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  Speaker 5: lose leverage. If you don't do enough, you're not going
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  Speaker 5: to freeze the defender.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like.
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  Speaker 5: Time after time, every little nuance of his route running
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  Speaker 5: is impeccable. And then when he turns and the ball's
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  Speaker 5: in the air, he has this incredible gift to be
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  Speaker 5: able to track the ball instantly off the hand of
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  Speaker 5: the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: He knows where the ball is going.
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  Speaker 5: He knows how to use his body to shield the defender.
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  Speaker 5: He can use late hands. He's got strong hands in
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  Speaker 5: the contested catches, like rebounds. He's a guy without weakness. Now,
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  Speaker 5: you look at him, he's not the tallest guy at 6'1,
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  Speaker 5: but he's stocky, and he's got very short legs and
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  Speaker 5: a long torso. And what that allows is when he
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  Speaker 5: runs those speed cuts, he's got a very low center
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  Speaker 5: of gravity, and he can go at near full speed
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  Speaker 5: and cut a tight radius, and it's just murder for guys,
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  Speaker 5: long-legged guys, to try and keep up with. That kind
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  Speaker 5: of balance and body control. He said, you know, he
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  Speaker 5: had the fastest time at the at the combine in
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  Speaker 5: the in the cone in in both the the two
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  Speaker 5: cone drill and the three cone drill.
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  Speaker 2: And that that that speaks to.
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  Speaker 5: That that short area quickness that he has. But then
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  Speaker 5: his long speed is longer than I thought it would be.
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  Speaker 5: He had a hamstring come out of Ohio State, so
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  Speaker 5: we never really quite knew.
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  Speaker 2: And right now, Greg, he's a receiver without a flaw. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and because of.
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  Speaker 4: That, the quarterbacks have confidence to throw him no matter
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  Speaker 4: what the coverage is, no matter how covered he might be,
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  Speaker 4: no matter what he is in the route progression, which
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  Speaker 4: is why you're seeing the preponderance of targets, especially early
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  Speaker 4: in games, going to him, which we saw a lot
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  Speaker 4: last season as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's Larry Fitzgerald. Yeah, it's Larry Fitzgerald.
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  Speaker 3: That's the way that Kurt Warner was like, oh, you're covered,
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  Speaker 3: but you're not really covered.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he's gained, Greg.
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  Speaker 4: Russell Wilson was often risk-averse to doing that. Even when
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  Speaker 4: Doug Baldwin and others were at the top of their
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  Speaker 4: league in production, he wouldn't throw into coverage.
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  Speaker 2: Well, these guys will because Smith and Jig was proven that.
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  Speaker 4: He's again leading the league in yards receiving as he
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  Speaker 4: led last year in the eighth best receiving season in
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  Speaker 4: NFL history, 1,793 yards. He leads in touchdowns with four.
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  Speaker 4: He has– He leads in first downs. He's tied for
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  Speaker 4: the league league in first downs. So they're throwing it
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  Speaker 4: when they need the ball to move the chains and
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  Speaker 4: get down the field. He's there everything, no matter what
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  Speaker 4: the Cardinals do, no matter what the Cardinals did on Sunday,
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  Speaker 4: cloud coverage over the top, bracket coverage.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Blitz, drop off.
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  Speaker 4: Every team has done everything to him the last two seasons.
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  Speaker 4: He's had 15 career 100-yard receiving games. 14 of them
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  Speaker 4: have come since the start of last season, including again
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  Speaker 4: last weekend. I mean, as soon as they traded DK Metcalf,
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  Speaker 4: it was like Jackson Smith and Jigba has arrived.
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  Speaker 2: And here you are. Metcalf, the Steeler people want Metcalf
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  Speaker 2: out of Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 4: He's dropping passes all over the place. And Jackson Smith
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  Speaker 4: and Jigba is again leading the league and has a
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  Speaker 4: $ 160 million contract, richest in the history of the league
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  Speaker 4: for wide receivers. We'll see Washington do the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see Washington have a safety over the top of
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  Speaker 4: a corner. We'll see bracket cover. We'll see blitzes. We'll
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  Speaker 4: see dime against, and he's still probably going to get 80, 90,
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  Speaker 4: 100-some yards because they're going to throw to him no
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  Speaker 4: matter who's the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Let's stay on skill positions. I'll come right back to you, Greg.
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  Speaker 3: What do we know about Jadarian Price and how the
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  Speaker 3: carries are going to be dispersed this weekend?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I saw Price at the start of practice yesterday
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  Speaker 4: on the field, and he looked like nothing had happened.
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  Speaker 4: He was fully participating. Now, we only get to watch stretching,
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  Speaker 4: and we don't get to watch him run plays. He
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  Speaker 4: was listed as a limited participant with that shoulder injury that,
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  Speaker 4: for some reason, the Seahawks keep saying is a chest,
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  Speaker 4: but it's a shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: And credit to Hugh Millen at the moment. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That was a shoulder injury. Nailed it. The Seahawks continue
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  Speaker 4: to keep calling it a chest. But even Mike McDonald
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  Speaker 4: has said it's a shoulder. McDonald's saying they don't think
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  Speaker 4: it's a long-term thing. Just my gut instinct of watching
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  Speaker 4: 10 minutes of practice yesterday suggested to me that Price
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  Speaker 4: is going to play in Washington. But because of how
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  Speaker 4: Emmanuel Wilson emerged in Arizona, they don't necessarily have to
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  Speaker 4: force Price to get a full load coming off a
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  Speaker 4: shoulder injury. Emmanuel Wilson had not proven anything during training
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  Speaker 4: camp because he missed almost all of August with a
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  Speaker 4: hamstring injury. 500 yards back with Green Bay last year,
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  Speaker 4: they signed him to a no-risk, one-year minimum salary deal.
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  Speaker 4: He was going to be a short yardage back coming
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  Speaker 4: out of training camp because he runs more of a thudding,
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  Speaker 4: plodding physical style than Price and Helani. And then he
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  Speaker 4: goes for 21 carries and 92 yards in Arizona when
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  Speaker 4: Price went out in the second half. So now Wilson
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  Speaker 4: can be the 1A for a while until Price gets healthy.
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  Speaker 4: Helani's still going to be your pass-catching two-minute back that
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  Speaker 4: he was the first two games. And even he had
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  Speaker 4: to leave the game in Arizona, get checked out for
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  Speaker 4: a possible concussion.
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  Speaker 2: That apparently he does not have. But.
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  Speaker 4: The biggest run game news of the Arizona game was
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  Speaker 4: they have a new back to depend on as number
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  Speaker 4: one carries, and that's Emmanuel Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to see him, I think, a lot on
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  Speaker 2: Sunday in Washington.
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  Speaker 3: Feel better or worse about the running back room two
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  Speaker 3: games into the season, Hugh?
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I would say probably about the same.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: Maybe I feel– the thing about Jadarian Price– he's probably
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: opened my eyes more. I expected him to be quick,
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: but I think his burst is a little bit more
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: than I thought. And, you know, the gaps on an
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: offensive line, you got the A gap is between the
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: center and the guard. Then the B gap is between
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: the guard and the tackle, et cetera, et cetera. This
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: year on the D gap, that's Diaz and David. Those
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: are the outside wide zone runs or tosses or pin
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: and pulls and what have you. Jadarian Price, 11 carries,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: 83 yards, 7.5. Anders, got that? Write that down.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: Got it.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: 7.5. 7.5. You're not writing. 7.5. If you want to
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: write it down in your head, I think you can
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: handle it. 7.5. Young guy. He uses a computer. He
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't know what pen and paper is.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: All the A, B, and C, the inner gaps, 12
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: for 21, 1.7. So outside, we're at 7.5. Did I
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: get that right, Anders?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: 7.8. 7.8. And then inside we're 1.7. So that speaks to, okay,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: now Emmanuel Wilson, who I was concerned would be more
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: like a three-ish type of guy.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, how much did they pay him? A million
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and a half? The market spoke on him, right? Minimum salary.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Minimum salary.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And so I think you're going to see a
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: little bit of a thunder and lightning type of a combo.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I think when they want to play hardball, you're more
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: likely to see Emmanuel Wilson. Now, you can't go 100%,
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: but you're going to see a trend where when they
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: want to go out, when Price is in the game,
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: there's going to be a higher propensity of trying to
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: get wide. And when Emmanuel Wilson is in the game,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: there's going to be a higher propensity of trying to run.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: In between the tackles. Hugh Mellon, Greg Bell with us.
• 18:36
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• 18:38
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• 18:41
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• 18:43
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• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Mariota versus Jaden Daniels. Also, we haven't mentioned the defense
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: at all. I guess we now just take it for granted.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: It's awesome, week in and week out. Good luck, Commanders,
• 18:57
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• 19:04
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• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's Thursday. It is 8.30.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: That must mean we are smack dab in the middle
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: of another 12th Man Roundtable starring our Seahawks insider Greg
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Bell and our QB1 Hugh Millen who are with us
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: to talk some Seahawks football for an entire hour every
• 19:42
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• 19:44
  Speaker 2: We've already talked about all the updates on the Seahawks.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Skill players, but we got a lot of other ground
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: to cover, including this opponent. The Washington Commanders will be
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: hosting the Seahawks this week, but they'll be doing it
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: without their starting quarterback, Jaden Daniels, which means for the
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: second year in a row, we're in essence facing Marcus
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Mariota because a year ago, Jaden Daniels got hurt against
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks. It was in that game. Then again, that
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: game was already decided. So I guess Daniels did play
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: most of that contest. So, Hugh, from a defensive standpoint,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: preparation for this quarterback change, this is desirable, right, for
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald to be able to face an older version
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: of Marcus Mariota versus the dangerous version of Jaden Daniels.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you've still got an athletic quarterback in Mariota, but
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: he doesn't have the twitch that jayden daniels has you
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: know he's beat up seattle's faced him when he was
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: with the falcons and and of course as you mentioned
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: last year i i look he's a starter trait guy
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: he was the number two overall pick he's big uh
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: you know strong and fast but he's proven like many
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: guys you know he he falls into a category with
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: mitch trubisky and many others where you say okay we
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: thought he was going to be good he's a top
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: of uh top part of the first round but he
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: just hasn't consistently been a good decision maker or accurate
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: enough to play. And so that's kind of played out.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: I think obviously this helps Seattle.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I think he's just kind.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Of, he'll make the plays that are there if you
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: give him wide open plays, but I don't think he's
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: going to be extraordinary in his anticipation or be stuffing
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: balls into tight windows the way we've seen Drew Locke
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: doing it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: You know, Greg, the commanders have a lot more problems
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: than just not having their starting quarterback. I mean, I
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: think it was this game last year was the first
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: time where I like wrote down in my game notes.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: And I actually I'm going to look it up like
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: this team might win the world championship. The Seahawks dominated
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: them a year ago. And that was with Jaden Daniels
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: playing for most of that game. This commander's team two
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: years ago. made it to the NFC Championship game. They
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: were bad last year, and they look really bad overall
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Well, it's the old adage, you lose your starting quarterback
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: and you're done, unless you're in Seattle. And that's because
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Washington doesn't have the defense Seattle does to withstand a
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: quarterback change, and they don't have Drew Locke. Yeah, Jaden
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Daniels dislocated that elbow at the end of a blowout.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: It was already a blowout with Daniels playing.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Ty Okada, his first career interception that night. They were just.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Devin Witherspoon, Ernest Jones dancing all over the field right
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: below me in the press box. That was a beatdown
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: from the start. I think it ended like 34-10, something
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: like that. The same holds true now. The defense hasn't
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: changed for the Seahawks. Yeah, a couple changes in the
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: back end, but the defense is back and they're playing
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: with only 17 points allowed through two games, only three
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: points allowed in the second halves of their first two games.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: They've been absolutely dominant, and now they have a backup
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: quarterback at 33 years.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Old coming in. The Commander's injuries have not just been
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: with the quarterback.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: They replaced their center, Tyler Berdaz, and then in the offseason,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: they bring in a new guy, and he's hurt. Now
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: their new starting center, he missed all of the training camp.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: They've had injuries in the backfield. Terry McLaren is supposed
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: to be their playmaking guy, and I think he might
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: be 50 years old.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: He's been there so long. And now their starting quarterback
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: is hurt yet again. It's been a rough go for
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Dan Quinn. I had Bram Weinstein.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: He's the that play-by-play announcer for the Commander's Radio Network
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: on my show yesterday. And he was saying when they
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: brought David Blau in as the new offensive coordinator in
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Washington to replace Cliff Kingsbury, left after a year or
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: so there, that Blau's charter was to not have the
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: offense totally reliant on Jaden Daniels.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: They wanted to run the ball more.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: They wanted to be less reliant on Daniels doing everything
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: that Kingsbury had asked him to do. In case of this,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: if he got hurt, Yet their run game's not really
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: taken off yet.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: They have Rashad White.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: You remember him, the former Buccaneers lead running back who
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: just ripped up the Seahawks in Munich as a rookie
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: for the Buccaneers when Tom Brady was just changing all
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: pass calls to run that day at Alonzo Arena. And
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks couldn't stop Rashad White. But he's a number
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: two back there in Washington. Their running game hasn't taken.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Off yet either. They've lost two close games, though.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: The Dallas game was close until the end, but they
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: could have easily beaten the Eagles in week one, and
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: that was what they were.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Better health than they are now.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: They're 0-2, and they're already talking about what a disaster
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: this franchise has been in just the last year and
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: a half. This is another game, guys, that the Seahawks
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: under Mike McDonald have won. If they're supposed to beat
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: a team that's got a backup quarterback, they beat them.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: And that has been a marked difference from the end
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: of the– Pete Carroll regime to the last two seasons
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: of Mike McDonald.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: They don't give away games like this, which is.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Why they're on a franchise record winning streak of 12
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: wins in a row, and they've won 19 of the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: last 22 games because.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: They don't lose games they shouldn't lose.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: My opinion of the Commanders was shaped by an experience
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: I'm going to share with you guys.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: So I'm part of this 33rd.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Team think tank, and before last year, so August of 2025,
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: We have a Zoom every Wednesday for an hour, and
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: there's a guy named Mike Giddings who owns a company
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: called ProScout. He took it over from his father. His
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: father had started ProScout back in the 60s, 70s, used
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: to advise Vince Lombardi and Paul Brown and what have you.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: They have this.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Long volume of work, and he was going through these
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: are the teams that are going to fall off. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: his biggest team, he goes, the commanders, they're going downhill.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: And by the way, Bill Polian, in reference, said that
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: they relied on pro scout stuff. He says it's like
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: an actuary, it's like an insurance company is the analogy
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Bill Polian, the Hall of Fame GM said. He says
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: they have so much data through the years that when
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: they formulate their opinions, it's based on decades of tried
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: and true formulas.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So he says Washington's going way down.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Now, this is on the heels of them having been
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: in the NFC championship game and and with a young
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: quarterback and the rest of the world was thinking the commanders. Oh,
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: and he said, no, you look at their age, their injuries,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: and they have a way of and they just said
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: they do it. They do it through this formula and
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: they go. They got they got too many strikes. And
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: that's how he called it. And not enough blue players,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: you know, blah, blah, blah. He's got all this terminology,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: but he said the commanders are riding for a fall.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: And he said again this year, the commanders are, you know, no,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: they haven't fixed anything. And couple that with Dan Quinn
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: might be too nice for the NFL.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: He's a player's coach to the nth degree.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Which oftentimes teams play hard for them at the beginning,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: but then they realize the discipline isn't really there and they.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Start to slough off.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: So there's a couple of elements there that if you're
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: a Commander fan, you're going, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: a ship going in the wrong direction.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Needless to say. Excuse me, I'm sorry.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Bram Weinstein said yesterday that the loss of Bobby Wagner, yes,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: he declined and he was getting exposed in the past game.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: He's 36 years old.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: But they are a leadership vacuum without him. And that
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: he was a unifier in the locker room for both
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: offense and defense. And then when your quarterback goes down.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: He sees leadership as a big problem and that they
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: miss Bobby Wagner quite a bit.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Needless to say, the commanders don't look like a team
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: the way they're going that should match with the Seahawks
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: the way that the Seahawks are going at this point.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: But it is an NFL Sunday, I suppose, and anything
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: can happen. All right, I'm going to need like a
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: minute from you. I don't want to ignore such a
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: big headline. It just feels like it's so cut and dry.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald got caught telling a story on camera. And
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: then that entity released the footage that he didn't realize
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: was going to be released. And Sean Payton overheard it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: And Mike McDonald apologized. And Sean Payton understood. And Graham
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Bensinger has now had his name tarnished.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: A little bit.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: To me, it feels like it got wrapped up the
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: way that it should. But I want to give both
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: of you at least a minute to talk about your
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: interpretation of what went down. I'll start with you, Hugh.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I....
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Understand that maybe somebody went to Northwestern Journalism School or
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Columbia or one of the.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Nation's leading journalism schools. Or Berkeley. Or Berkeley.
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Or Berkeley.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: One of the leading journalism schools. I know there might
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: be their formula. My experience, I've been on both sides
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: of this thing. When I went to the Patriots, the
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: media guy, Pat Hanlon, who went to the Giants later,
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: He said the Patriots have more beat writers than any
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: team in the NFL because of all that, you know,
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Hartford and Providence and all these New England towns and
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: what have you. So I've seen this thing for a
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: minute and there is a eight lane highway of communication about.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: That is off the record.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: And so I've done this now in my media.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I did. I've seen it as a player.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: And I think the average fan doesn't have any idea
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: how often people are talking off the record and how
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: much information goes on.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: And so this is a case.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Clearly, Mike McDonald sits down and the guy says, oh,
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: the only other guy we had is Sean Payton. which
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: leads Mike McDonald into, well, I'm not sure Sean Payton
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: really is– My biggest fan and blah, blah, blah. And
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: he tells the story that he was he was clearly
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: speaking off the record. It doesn't have to be. It
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: doesn't have to be vocalized. Professionals know, you know. So
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: there's two filters that that that.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Graham, what's his name? Bensinger. Bensinger. Yeah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: There's two filters that he missed. Number one is he
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: should have known it was off the record. Number two,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: in a greater sense, the second filter is don't make
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: the guy look bad. And you know damn well that
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: if you release this, you're making him look bad.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: And so I don't believe that guy.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: The Seahawks have a professional first-grade communication staff from the
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: top to the bottom. I don't believe they dropped any ball.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: I don't believe Graham Mensker. I think that he showed
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: himself like this guy. This was, you know, he absolutely
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: screwed Mike McDonald.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Now, Mike McDonald, Greg?
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: He showed again why he is a supreme leader, because
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: he took accountability.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Hey, this came out of my mouth. I'm responsible for it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: That's it. That's all.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: He reached out to the aggrieved party and Sean Payton.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: They had a nice mending. And he himself, Payton, had
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: got himself in a similar hot water when he spoke
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: what he thought was off the record when he was
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: slamming Nathaniel Hackett. So Peyton was in a receptive move
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: to hear the same thing he's got.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I know, I got it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: I was once in the eye of the storm of
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: the national media for things I said about another coach.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: So Sean Peyton handled it like a pro. Mike McDonald
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: handled it like a pro. The Seahawks communication department handled
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: it like a pro.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: The only guy who wasn't a pro was Graham Mensiger.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Graham Mensiger claimed last night in a statement he put
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: out because a bunch of media outlets, including my show,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: tried to get a hold of him and his explanation.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: He claimed that.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: The 92, 94-minute version of the entire thing, including this
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: pre-off-the-record talk that they put out on YouTube this week,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: that he sent it to– his show sent it to
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks PR department five days before they aired it.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true or not.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I haven't talked to Dave Pearson or the Stones about that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I don't either. But he's real happy these days about
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Graham Bensinger. Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Mike McDonald showed the vulnerability that he shows with his
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: players to Cooper Cup talked about this yesterday when I
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: asked him about it. But when when McDonald got up
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: yesterday and said, you know what, I wasn't good in
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: that moment.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I should have been better.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: I should know anything that comes out of my mouth
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: is my responsibility, no matter what the setting, no matter
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: what the relationship, no matter that I'm inside my own house.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: It takes a lot of gall and no journalism or
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: professional ethics to do what Graham Benzinger did. But he
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: did it because he doesn't have to face Mike McDonald
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: every day. He won't be out to Seattle ever again
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: because he was never here in the first place. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the only reason he was here is because McDonald won
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl and he was on Hard Knocks this
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: summer and his show wanted to catch and curtail that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: He has nothing at stake with Mike McDonald. He doesn't
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: care about having a professional relationship with him.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: And that's what so many national media and TV people are.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Because they aren't invested every day in having to build
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: a relationship. I can't go out and just write anything
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: I know about Mike McDonald. I'll burn bridges I'll never
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: be able to repair. I can tell you, I could
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: break national news today on some things I know about
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Mike McDonald that is way off the record. But I'm
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: not going to do that because that's not going to
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: help me in my daily livelihood of doing my job.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: But it helps Graham Bensinger get ratings. It helps him
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: get eyeballs. It helps him know more than Anyone else
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  Speaker 4: knew about him before this whole episode came about? I
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  Speaker 4: don't even know why he was at Mike McDonald's house.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're also not going to do it, Greg,
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  Speaker 5: because it's the wrong thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a right and a wrong.
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  Speaker 5: Even if you don't care about the relationship, you know
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  Speaker 5: damn well that he was talking off the record and
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  Speaker 5: you know damn well if you release it, you're going
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  Speaker 5: to make him look bad.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 5: You don't do it simply because you're a human being
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  Speaker 5: and it's the decent thing to do.
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  Speaker 4: You're exactly right. There's a right and a wrong. I
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  Speaker 4: tell my kids this all the time. You know what
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  Speaker 4: right and wrong is. You make the choice. Life's a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of choices. He chose wrong, and now he's paying
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  Speaker 4: for it. But Mike McDonald's paying for it, too.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Keys, scores, and Hughes' final thoughts next on the 12th
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  Speaker 3: Man Roundtable, Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.
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  Speaker 1: Now back to Chuck in the morning in the 12th
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  Speaker 1: Man Roundtable.
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  Speaker 2: With Greg Bell and Hugh Millen.
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  Speaker 1: Brought to you by the Evergreen Council on Problem Gambling.
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  Speaker 1: On your home for the 12th Man. Sports Radio 93.3,
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  Speaker 1: KJR FM.
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  Speaker 2: All right, final segment.
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks commanders this Sunday. It will be the earliest games.
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  Speaker 3: 10 o'clock start for us, which I like. I like
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  Speaker 3: 10 o'clock starts out here. Maybe NFL teams flying from
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  Speaker 3: the West Coast don't like it. Maybe Greg Bell doesn't
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  Speaker 3: like it. But as a viewer, I like waking up
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  Speaker 3: and watching the Seahawks right away. Greg's already shaking his head. Well,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: let's get to Greg. Your keys, your expectation for Sunday
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  Speaker 3: in D.C.
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  Speaker 4: Same thing as last week. An inferior team. playing the
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  Speaker 4: defense is far superior to if either Sam Darnold, Drew Locke,
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  Speaker 4: whoever ends up playing quarterback, it's going to be Sam.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's going to be Sam Darnold. No, if
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  Speaker 4: they don't turn the ball over, the Seahawks win. That
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  Speaker 4: has happened now for since December of last year.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they won through the playoffs. That's why they
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  Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: Do you really think Marcus Mariota and the Washington Commanders
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  Speaker 4: can drive multiple times 75 yards down the field for
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  Speaker 4: touchdowns against the Seahawks?
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  Speaker 2: I don't either. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Which is why in each of the first two games,
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  Speaker 4: the Seahawks have allowed exactly one touchdown in each game.
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  Speaker 4: I don't see that changing this week. I thought the
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  Speaker 4: Cardinals weren't going to score a touchdown. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 4: the Commanders are either. I'll give them one touchdown. I
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  Speaker 4: say the Seahawks win 24-7, and it might not even
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  Speaker 4: be that close. Until further notice, this defense is playing.
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  Speaker 2: So well, and McDonald's dialing up so much. Think about it.
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  Speaker 4: They've allowed 17 points in two games and only three
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  Speaker 4: points in the second half.
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  Speaker 2: With two of their starting safeties out.
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  Speaker 4: Ty Okada hasn't played a snap, and Nick Emanwuri's played
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  Speaker 4: nine snaps in two games.
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  Speaker 2: And now here comes Emanwuri back. He's going to be
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  Speaker 2: full go, it looks like.
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  Speaker 4: He told me in Arizona, I'm not missing a snap
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  Speaker 4: the rest of the season. And McDonald said, significantly more
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  Speaker 4: work for Emanwuri Sunday in Washington. So a great defense
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  Speaker 4: is going to get better, and they ain't going to
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  Speaker 4: get beat by Washington as long as the offense doesn't
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  Speaker 4: turn it over.
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  Speaker 2: That moved me a little bit. I got a little
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  Speaker 2: moved by that. All right, Anders, what are you thinking?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I do think that the no turnover
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  Speaker 6: thing is just going to continue to be a thing.
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  Speaker 6: I think defensively, the Seahawks have the massive advantage. The
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  Speaker 6: big thing I'm looking at is the running game because
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  Speaker 6: Washington actually has shown some ability to stop the run.
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  Speaker 6: They have not allowed a rushing touchdown yet this year.
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  Speaker 6: So that'll be something I'm looking at. Jadarian Price, Manuel Wilson,
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: whoever kind of ends up getting the bulk load of
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  Speaker 6: the carries. That's going to be something that I'm looking
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  Speaker 6: forward to, especially defensively. If Sam Darnold plays first game back,
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: got to rely on the run game a little bit
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  Speaker 6: to kind of get his feet under him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's domination. I really do. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: 28-6 on this one.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Hugh, your final thoughts on this week of
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Seahawks football.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think that whoever plays quarterback for Seattle, if
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  Speaker 5: Darnold comes back and he's probably going to be the starter,
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  Speaker 5: but I still think there's some room in there for
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  Speaker 5: Drew Locke. But the commanders... They, in terms of zone percentage,
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  Speaker 5: they're eighth. Seattle's number one, by the way. But in
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: a too high structure, the commanders are number one. 81.2%
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  Speaker 5: of their snaps are too high. So whoever is playing
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: quarterback can't be going into a gunslinger mentality. They're going
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: to see a shell coverage. You're going to have to
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: more likely see, if you see Sam Darnold, He's got
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: to resist the urge to be like, hey, I'm back.
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  Speaker 2: Let me smoke the ball. And now there's.
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  Speaker 5: Still some opportunities to get some big plays. The double
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  Speaker 5: post works good against those quarters coverages. And Seattle hit
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  Speaker 5: it last year against Pittsburgh. They hit it last year
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  Speaker 5: against Jacksonville. So I'm not saying you can't hit that.
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  Speaker 5: But as a general rule, a lot of concepts are
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  Speaker 5: going to lead you to have to be patient. So
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  Speaker 5: that would be the key for whoever's playing tonight. Quarterback,
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: whomever is playing quarterback for Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: All right, there it is. The roundtable comes to a close.
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  Speaker 3: You will be back on with us tomorrow at 9
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  Speaker 3: o'clock with the X's and O's segment. And Greg, you've
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: got a show to do in an hour, so you
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: better get into work. And I just got a thumbs up.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, gentlemen. Awesome.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: As always, Hugh Millen, our QB1, Greg Bell, our Seahawks insider.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Coming up next, Ryan Healy. We're running out of these conversations.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: He'll be joining us to talk some Mariners baseball on
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  Speaker 3: Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.