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Failing Forward: Unconventional Path to Microsoft · The Lawtino™

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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Latino Podcast, where we amplify the voices of Latino professionals, entrepreneurs, and leaders coming together to educate, inspire, and connect across one of the most dynamic binational regions in the world.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bicultural, premium, powerful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey it's John Gomez.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the latest episode of the Latino, this time special edition out of Washington, D.C.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are here at the Hispanic National Bar Association's annual meeting.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're meeting with very interesting, accomplished uh Hispanic lawyers from all over the country.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have a very special guest for you here today.
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  SPEAKER_01: I will say this episode, as always, is brought to you by Gomez Trial Attorneys.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are a national uh law firm uh that represents consumers in cases involving personal injury, uh, civil rights violations, employment harms.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, based in California, but doing cases all over the country.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we are bi-national.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have uh offices now in Mexico as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh bicultural, we provide the very highest level of representation in both English and Spanish with cultural sensitivity and best in class.
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  SPEAKER_01: We really do believe we're the best lawyers out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, with no further ado, I'm gonna introduce my co-host as always, David Areguin, who's gonna introduce our cool special guest.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, John.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're super excited to be in Washington, D.C.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is, at least for me, my first conference at HMBA.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're super excited to see what this is all about.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, like we we were introduced to this magnificent guide here uh through Alejandro.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's um uh he's also an attorney in San Diego, uh Tyler Quillin, he's a uh senior corporate counsel at Xbox Microsoft.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're excited because I feel like our listeners want to hear more about Xbox and gaming and Microsoft.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think my kids might tune in now.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I can finally get my kids to listen to the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: But uh, you know, without further ado, Tyler, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for agreeing to be on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I know you leave soon, so thank you for making the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm happy to.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we just want to hear from you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, tell us a little bit about your story, your background.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So um originally born and bred in Las Vegas, Nevada, um, my my family immigrated through Mexico.
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  SPEAKER_02: My grandparents had four kids in a double-wide trailer in Vegas, and um my grandmother dropped out, my grandfather got through high school and then joined the service.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh all four kids went to college and graduated, and uh got two uncles that got MBAs from Berkeley and Stanford, and then one, my mother is the first lawyer in the family.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so when I was uh five, my parents divorced when I was young.
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  SPEAKER_02: When I was five, uh we moved because Las Vegas didn't have a law school.
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  SPEAKER_02: We moved to uh Tucson, Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and she started at the University of Arizona um law school there, and I started kindergarten, and I would fly by myself back to Vegas to see my dad every other week at five, which you know what kind of a judge decides that?
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  SPEAKER_02: But it is 2026, that would not happen, I'd like to say.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and so she ended up uh giving me a first row seat to her career, and she was a government attorney, she was public defender, she was a deputy city attorney, she was city attorney Henderson.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, she ran the Southern Nevada Attorney General's office for Brian Sandoval before he was um governor of Nevada, and so had a really rich history in government and service, and uh kind of planted the seed, and I was like, I think I'd like to go to law school, I think I'd like to help people.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um ended up becoming a teacher out of undergrad and uh taught sixth and seventh grade special education for a while, taught Bay Area, and then we got pregnant with our third kid, and I was like, if this law school thing's gonna happen, like I gotta get this uh train out the station.
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  SPEAKER_02: So um ended up starting at uh University of Oregon, and then my mom got sick, and she moved to Seattle from Vegas to get treated.
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  SPEAKER_02: A dutiful Latino son, packed the kids up in the fam, we moved up to Seattle and I finished up at UW, and I've been in Seattle ever since.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow, what a story.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, so like if you're out there listening and you're like, okay, I'm I'm, you know, he graduated college and then was doing education, three kids, and then said, hey, law school now, never too late, right, to make your dreams come true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Never too late.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I also think that it's important for you to live a little before law school.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think for us to be able to counsel clients and to build those relationships and have the perspective and the creativity and the experience to understand what's an issue, what is not an issue, um, how to understand the human elements and the connection and the relationships.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because if you don't have that experience, it's really hard to make the connections and to have people trust you with litigation matters where people are betting their livelihoods, their companies, their um you know, their businesses or their liberty uh in the hands of us as lawyers.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so it's a privilege, and I think having a career and having that experience is integral to being a great lawyer.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like real world experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like nowadays, you know, a lot of the kids that we're talking to, they want to graduate college immediately and they want to do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then go immediately.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's the hurry, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But then you then you get them like as an employer, then you interview them, and it's clear they have no real life experience of any nature.
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  SPEAKER_01: Basically, they're law robots.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't mean to say they all are, but I think uh taking some time, you know, uh learning a little bit about the world, maybe finding yourself a bit is a good thing to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I personally took a year uh off and was a social worker, you know, like kind of, I guess um, I learned some things uh, you know, with the with the most impoverished part of our society in uh in a in a challenged community that I think helped me be a better lawyer.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you learned things as a teacher of these great kids that helped you to be a better lawyer.
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  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
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  SPEAKER_01: And people were like, oh, being a lawyer, isn't that hard?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, not compared to what you were doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: The hardest job I've ever had barn on is being a teacher.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Test your emotional, your intellectual, your compassion, your grit, your metal, all of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and the in service of kids, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And so far and away, hardest job I've ever had.
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  SPEAKER_02: Makes this job kind of seem like a walk in the park.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh so tell us, you know, um what you do now, you know, why um were you did you go straight into corporate side or were you at a firm and then went over?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like how'd that go?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh transferred law schools, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So lost sort of that one L network I spent building.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then when you transfer law schools, like three L's don't know you, so they think you're a two L, two L's don't know you, they think you're a three L.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so you really got to kind of lean in and build a network and and be sociable and be intentional about how you do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I ended up leaning in, built a network, ended up getting an off-cycle summer associate position at a regional firm up there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, hell yeah, look, I did it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's go, let's go.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did it got the offer to join the Seattle, um, to join the Seattle office after um graduation, and I was sitting fat and happy.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, all right, 3-0 got this figured out, let's, you know, figure out what the next steps are, maybe buy a house, maybe figure out where the kids are gonna be, where it will grow roots.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I failed the bar, and then uh the firm declined to bring me on, and I was driving Uber just trying to hustle and keep the lights on.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, we do what we have to do, not above any sort of work just to do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You adjust, you adjust it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we do what we gotta do, and so did that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, ended up clerking at a trial court just uh north of Seattle, which was um great experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: Saw a lot of good lawyering, a lot of bad lawyering, got to see how judges think, see how a court operates, got to wrangle some juries, gotta, you know, do the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then crushed the bar, ended up having a fateful coffee with a uh person who's become a mentor and friend, and uh started a firm called BuckAlter, which is based in LA.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and they started their Seattle.
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  SPEAKER_01: They got a big office in San Diego.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, they do.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so they were trying to branch out into Seattle and so help kind of start their office as a low billable uh Swiss Army knife, anything they needed.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then the more I did, the more I really just wanted to do intellectual property.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I come from a family of artists and musicians and small business owners, and so the idea of protecting what people create, um, and also coming up as an elder millennial and sort of the technological boom uh of the you know the late 1900s into 2000s, and I was like, I remember like the first cell phone, I remember the first iPod, I remember dial up internet, I remember Wi-Fi Card where my dad could be on the internet outside.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so I've always been passionate about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um I did the Intellectual Property Law Institute through um the HMBA, which was founded in 2013 in partnership with Microsoft.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um essentially it takes 20, 25 Latino law students from around the country, brings them to DC for a week-long intensive experience at the first week of June, and you get this soup to nuts experience where these Latino law students can see what IP law is.
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  SPEAKER_02: They see people that look like them, they come from backgrounds like them, doing this work, whether they're judges or partners, or in you know, general counsel of Disney, who's a founding um you know, a godfather of the program.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so these people that walk like us, that talk like us, you know, like it opens the aperture of what is possible.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I did that, and I was like, that's what I want.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so fast forward, the more I did it, Buck Alter, the more I was like, I really want to do tech, and um their managing partner um was supportive, and he was like, Listen, I uh we don't have that, like I can't help you build that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, let's find you a place that can.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I started um conversations, the HMBA network activating, and uh ended up at Davis Wright Tremaine um in Seattle doing uh technology transactions for them for a couple years, and then uh got a fateful call uh and encouragement to apply to Microsoft and been Microsoft a little over five years.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I support Xbox now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um product council, so that means that I support the executives and the engineers that build all of the hardware and accessories that we play video games on.
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  SPEAKER_02: Consoles, headsets, controllers, third-party partnerships, you name it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um that's me from ideation, development, manufacturing, compliance, logistics, you name it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Man, I think that uh that institute sounds like an awesome program.
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  SPEAKER_01: And hats off to Microsoft for supporting it and supporting your continued involvement in it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know that you remain involved in it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and how cool that that's really how you found your passion, you know, through the program um in collaboration with HMBA.
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  SPEAKER_01: So like we're learning great things about this organization while we're here.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I do have a question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you a gamer?
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  SPEAKER_02: I am.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm I'm a die easy gamer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm not good.
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  SPEAKER_02: What's that mean?
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: You're die easy gamer.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're not good.
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  SPEAKER_02: The new ones that'll come out, I'll be like, this looks snazzy.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll put it on.
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  SPEAKER_02: I got four kids, I got a live, I got age, I got all these boards I'm on.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so like I'll play the new one.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then um from there, I'll like get a few hours in, get pulled away.
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  SPEAKER_02: I got work, I gotta, and then by the time I get back to it three months later, I'm like, uh I don't know where I'm supposed to go or what I'm supposed to be doing.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: The one sort of through line I will always sort of jump into is probably um NCAA football.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a diehard Arizona Wildcat.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna ask, like, if we can get a win.
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  SPEAKER_01: What if what if the ducks are playing the Huskies?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's a good question.
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  SPEAKER_02: So uh I'm a married man and I I have learned a few things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so my wife is a double duck.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, you're a duck guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I just try and like, you know, I'm quiet and I'm just like, let's just see what happens.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh we went to um the duck uh husky game a couple years ago when the Huskies ended up going to the college football play of championship game.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we were in Husky Stadium, and my wife's in duck gear, I'm in in Husky gear, and we were right there where the the final Roma Dunze touchdown that put up went, and I was like basking in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was she's a dye easy too, she doesn't really care.
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  SPEAKER_02: She likes to talk, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: She likes to push my buttons.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's all fun.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love college sports.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think college sports are like just my absolute favorite.
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  SPEAKER_02: College basketball's number one, college football's number two.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I like the I like the Wildcats too.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have some good teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of fun to watch.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's fun.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so um, like you, it's funny.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I heard you were coming on the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, this is different.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like a tech guy, like uh from a uh really well-known, well-established, you know, company and product, you know, this will be interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: But to me, the interesting things that have come out of your mouth are all these, you know, mid-career adjustments, you know, uh perseverance.
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  SPEAKER_01: We heard about an unsuccessful try at the bar, you know, which is you're not our first guest that shared that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, like you have a lot of life lessons, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, so what advice, what is your best advice you would give to, you know, a young Hispanic who's looking at maybe a career in law, but thinks, you know, oh, it's too late, oh, I don't have the background, you know, I maybe I flunked the bar, I should not be a lawyer.
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  SPEAKER_01: What would you tell these people?
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Latinos make up about uh 20% of the population in the US.
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  SPEAKER_02: We make up 5% of attorneys, and that 5%'s been stagnant for 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I think my first message is not only like can you, but you should, and we need you.
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  SPEAKER_02: We need as many Latino, particularly Latinas, in the law.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, it it is a privilege to sit in a law school classroom, and we need to be in the room where it happens.
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  SPEAKER_02: We need to be barred, we need to be the ones that are able to give supports and and perspectives and and leverage a legal license and the skill set to help our community and the broader community have a more equitable and just system.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's first.
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  SPEAKER_02: Second of all, it's never too late.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, and the and the most interesting people and the best lawyers are the ones that have lived.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like we said earlier, like it life is uh dynamic and it's it's indiscriminate in sort of who it brings to their knees.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like we all, everybody we meet is battling something we know nothing of.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so it's important to lead with kindness.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think that if that's the tenant that you have when you're like, you know, meeting people and you're trying to move and go to law school, like law is a service industry.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if you're thinking about leading with kindness and service to others, it doesn't matter what practice area you're in, like you're you're doing it right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Great advice.
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  SPEAKER_01: So why I've we got some listeners out there that maybe are not members of the Hispanic National Bar Association, you know, maybe they're members of like their local, you know, things or whatever, but they're not part of this, they haven't come to this convention.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why should uh listeners be members and why should they be active members?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a great question, and it's hard because people's time and resources are finite, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, where where should you invest the limited resources that you do have?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'd say the HMBA is a familia, and uh I hope that you guys are starting to feel that here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like everyone, for the most part, knows each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if you don't, the first conference you're here, you're gonna meet a whole bunch of people.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if you come back to Houston in March, those people are gonna be excited to embrace you and check in, see how you're doing, and how they can help and and all that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so they're similar to what I was saying, where life happens, and uh we're all gonna have challenges and tribulations and things where we need help.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there have been countless moments in when I failed the bar, when I was gonna transfer, when you know COVID hit, when I was struggling at the firm, when I was struggling in-house, like what's next?
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  SPEAKER_02: How do I get promoted?
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  SPEAKER_02: How do I get this opportunity?
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  SPEAKER_02: Should I take this job?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: And the HMBA has answered that call every single time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Multiple people picking up the phone, whatever.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: My mother passed in March.
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  SPEAKER_02: There were a handful of HMBA people that traveled to Seattle to be at her memorial.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, a friend and somebody that she went to law school with came out from Miami all the way to Seattle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, it's one thing to sort of say that it's a family and that it's uh uh a community that's here to support, but like it's another thing when you start putting it to paper and you're like, no, this happens.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: And these people, I mean, there's nowhere else that you're gonna walk into a room full of Latino lawyers in the US and feel a sense of community.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like we're just there aren't that many of us.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you walk into that gal and that plenary going on, and there's thousand plus Latino lawyers, all of which are card-carrying members of your fan base and my fan base, and we're all cheerleaders, we're just waiting to help each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's special.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: You just you can't fake it, you can't manufacture it.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's what keeps me coming back to the HMBA.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I felt when I was a law student, and now here I am, you know, healthily into my practice.
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  SPEAKER_02: I keep coming back.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm more excited to be here.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too, man.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fired.
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  SPEAKER_00: Part of the family, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Part of the family.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then Tyler, like you know, I I went online, we did a little background check on you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I saw an article about imposter syndrome.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was pretty well written.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: And well, one of the funny things is you actually quoted Bobby Boucher, so the water boy.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I read the fact that you said like tackling fuel and tackling fuel.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: I remember that.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: Can you tell us a little bit about that article?
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was pretty interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh, that was a while ago.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: The internet is forever, kids.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, so you're referencing the modern council.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, they had a blog sort of series and they were like, Would you like to write some?
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, Yeah, absolutely.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I think imposter syndrome hits so many of us, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Particularly underrepresented populations.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I know as a Latino population, we do too.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: And so, yeah, there is a sense, particularly when you get into these sort of white patriarchal professions where you know they're gonna find me out.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, am I smart enough?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: Have I done enough?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: Do I have enough um experience or intellect or resources to understand the spaces that I'm moving in or the things I have to do to accomplish in order to get through to the goal at the end?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um and in that article I was talking a little bit about like shifting the narrative, like moving the lens of like yeah, you can take that.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and there's enough going on in the world and enough things going on in our own mind and self-talk that can really derail us.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um for the most part, what's the uh the old adage you miss a hundred percent of the shots you don't take?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so showing up and uh and and using that fuel of like, you know what, I'm gonna prove them wrong.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I I got all the skills, and I have a family of HMBA to like help answer those questions and those silly ones you don't want to ask out loud.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so you can reach out to your PO or whatever here and be like, hey, this thing happened is a little weird, and they're like, that's fine.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: Or like, yeah, that's a problem, you should report that.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but everybody's got imposter syndrome.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's and the folks that don't, I don't think you want to be around.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're uh what do they call it?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Ego, what are they like uh sociopathic ego?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're detached, they're not running the same race as you and I.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: We don't want to care to be around them.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I just love that you quoted like the water boy.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like that was my favorite movie growing up.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so I immediately connected with Ty Clean Fuel.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: Captain Encino shows me mercy.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: I love that movie.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler, well, thank you first, you know, for agreeing to be here.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: I know you're very well connected here, and you've been busy with the Puente Institute uh basically yesterday.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and I know you have a busy like schedule as well ahead, you know, Microsoft meetings and then going back to Seattle.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: So we truly appreciate your time.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and you know, if we can be any research to you at any point, please reach out.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but thank you again.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, yeah, thank you so much, man.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I do one question, then we have a final question we ask all our guests.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the the the funny question.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever been to Xana Xana do 2.0, Bill Gates home in Seattle?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, Bill, get him up to the house.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, bring me up, Bill.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: I there are rumors like back in the day, like uh it used to go to like the interns used to go to like Brad's house.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I have not I haven't been invited to Brad's house, and it hasn't happened in a long time.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's a lot of you know members of the team, that'd be a lot of people at the house.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, intern program was smaller.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like 10.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you gotta do 10.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's super cool.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't gotten that invite.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Brad, I would love to.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right, finally, there's a podcast we listened to called uh Crack.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh it's O Soltava, he's a Mexican entrepreneur guy, and he always asked his guests at the end if you could write words in the sky for all the world to see forever, what message would you give to them?
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's a good question.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um I would say be kind.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: Second time you said that.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: Just it's so important.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like you everyone you know is battling something you know nothing of.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: And we don't know what a modicum of kindness can do for somebody.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: There's a great non-profit out of Tucson um called Ben's Bells, and um it's this this mother started it, and and they basically make these these bells with a little story of her son, and the the whole idea is that to be kind, that's the moniker.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so they go around and they'll place these randomly.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they've done it in different cities, San Diego, they've uh place thousands of these things around.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: They're little bells and chimes, and they're painted and they're pretty, and they get a little on some random tree in a park, right?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: The story is this mother had a three, four-year-old son contracted some rare virus and his throat closed up and he passed away.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: And she was in such deep grief and despair that one day she was going into some building or something, and somebody, some uh stranger opened a door for her.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: And for some reason, at that moment, it struck her as this profound kindness that she needed, and um that always resonated with me.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: I always carried that with me.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so I just think that we're in a human industry, and at the end of the day, this is all fake and not real.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: And the law is cool and I enjoy it, and it's intellectual, but at the end of the day, it's about the people that we meet and the connections we make and how we help them and how they help us, and what we can learn from each other.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so I would say just be kind.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: I would love that in the sky for everybody.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome, great reminder.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe with a little bell right by there.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like be kind with like a little bell.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much for uh sharing your time.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for your wisdom.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, really learned a lot from uh listening to you and getting to know you.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: I know that our viewers will.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, great you know, pleasure.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And again, like you've given me and I think all of our listeners more reasons to become active in HMBA.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Totally agree, Tyler.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: Again, thank you.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: We're excited for this Familia conference.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate it.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Enjoy, man.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate that.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: So this will be up and available for you.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we'll send you the link and everything, and and we'll promote it on the socials.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: So uh thank you for joining us.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, thank you.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Dave Travels today.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate it.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: All right, thank you, sir.