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Speaker 1: I get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The Doctor, Doctor, Gimme the News,
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Speaker 1: Zagata bad case of Loving You. Addition, as we take
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Speaker 1: an in depth look at an NFL draft prospect that
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Speaker 1: many Bengals fans have already fallen in love with, even
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Speaker 1: if they've never seen him play, Oregon offensive lineman Pinay Sewell.
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Speaker 1: And when I say in depth, look, we're talking microscopic surgery.
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Speaker 1: You'll hear from Pinay, his high school coach, the voice
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Speaker 1: of the Oregon Ducks, an NFL draft expert, and we'll
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Speaker 1: find out what the data says about Pinay from one
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Speaker 1: of our pals at Pro Football Focus. In short, you're
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Speaker 1: about to know everything there is to know about the
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Speaker 1: twenty year old native of American Samoa, a chain of
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Speaker 1: to never have to say hey you or how's it
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Speaker 1: going guy? Ever again, Now, let's get to a guy
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Speaker 1: who is very easy to identify, six foot six, three
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pound Pinay Sewell. On this podcast, you're
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Speaker 1: going to hear from several people talking about the highly
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Speaker 1: touted offensive line prospect, but I thought we should start
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Speaker 1: by hearing from Sewell himself. About a month after Joe
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Speaker 1: Burrow delivered his emotional Heisman Trophy speech that helped raise
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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight hunger. Pinay Sewell,
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Speaker 1: who was only nineteen years old at the time, also
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Speaker 1: made an emotional speech in accepting the Outland Trophy, expressing
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Speaker 1: his thanks to Oregon head coach Mario Cristobal, offensive line
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Speaker 1: coach Alex Mirraball, and most of all his family. To
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Speaker 1: this day, it's still surreal to me that I'm sending you,
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Speaker 1: Funny you as a Outland Trophy winner and it's a
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Speaker 1: dream come true. Thank you all for making this happen.
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Speaker 1: And I'm forever grateful for those who believed in me
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Speaker 1: from day one. I didn't really know much about the
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Speaker 1: award until I attended the University of Warrior. I didn't
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Speaker 1: know much about it, just knew that it went to
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Speaker 1: the best linemen in the country and Coach Christian Ball
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Speaker 1: and I have been having conversations about winning it and
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Speaker 1: trying to bring win the Oregon and I will never
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Speaker 1: forget it was right before the right after fall camp,
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Speaker 1: before the season started, he looked me in the eyes
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Speaker 1: and said, don't wait, go get it this year. Well, coach,
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Speaker 1: I'm here. I went and got it. The trust you
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Speaker 1: having me and the confidence you gave him gave it
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Speaker 1: to me. It's the reason why I'm standing here, and
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Speaker 1: uh I'm forever grateful for you, forever thankful for the
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Speaker 1: way you treated me and my family. You're a man
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Speaker 1: of your word. And thank you culture Mary ball Man,
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Speaker 1: thank you for all that film, all that film sessions,
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Speaker 1: all the old line meetings. Everything you say stick because
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Speaker 1: everything you say you repeat, So it's hard, it's harder,
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Speaker 1: it's harder forget. But I thank you for that because
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Speaker 1: it makes me a better man and I pay attention
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Speaker 1: to details more to all my teammates back in Eugene, Man,
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Speaker 1: thank you for pushing me to be a better man
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Speaker 1: both on and off the field. Create that relationships with
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Speaker 1: y'all just and having that friendships with each and every
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Speaker 1: one of you just makes me want to go harder.
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Speaker 1: And I don't want to let anyone down on that
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Speaker 1: team because that hurts. That truly hurts. Uh Ma, Dad,
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Speaker 1: If you told me when we were in that in
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Speaker 1: American sophomore in our house that we would be here today,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe you. I wouldn't. You guys made steps
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Speaker 1: and had choices. I made sacrifices for us, for each
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Speaker 1: and everyone of us, Me Noah, five, James, and our
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Speaker 1: sister Ella. I thank you guys for making the trip
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Speaker 1: here because I remember when I didn't want to come
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Speaker 1: to the States. All all I knew and all I
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Speaker 1: wanted was in America. Shah more. But I thank you guys. Mam.
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Speaker 1: Your smile makes me go every day, makes me go harder.
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Speaker 1: And I do this all for you, all for you.
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Speaker 1: The sacrifice and you just mean the backbone of our
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Speaker 1: family makes me want to hopefully and if it's possible,
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Speaker 1: find a woman just like her. Bad all this, I
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Speaker 1: know you gave up for us. You had a dream
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Speaker 1: of your own, you gave it up for me. Noah,
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Speaker 1: he fight, gag, and all I want to do is
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Speaker 1: just give it back. I want you to experience everything
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Speaker 1: that we have and everything that we're gonna go through,
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Speaker 1: because you should have been through it all the same
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Speaker 1: way I am going I'm going through it. I want
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Speaker 1: you both to know I love you guys for the
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Speaker 1: bottom of my heart, and I was still and I'm
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Speaker 1: still going to work until you guys will never have
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Speaker 1: to worry about a thing no more. I'll promise you that.
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Speaker 1: And to the Outline Committee, thank you, thank you for
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Speaker 1: making my dream possible, and thank you for having me
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Speaker 1: and my family here today and in such a great event,
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Speaker 1: and to be awarded to one of the most prestigious
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Speaker 1: awards knowing the mankind. And I'd like to say thank
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Speaker 1: you all for coming, thank you all for the love
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Speaker 1: and support y'all giving my family an ee and go Ducks.
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Speaker 1: Piney was in elementary school when he his parents, his
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Speaker 1: three brothers, and his sister moved to Saint George, Utah.
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Speaker 1: It's in the southwest tip of the state, not far
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Speaker 1: from the Arizona and Nevada borders, less than a two
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Speaker 1: hour drive from Las Vegas. Sewell attended Desert Hills High School,
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Speaker 1: where he helped the thunder win a state championship while
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Speaker 1: becoming one of the top recruits in the country. I
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Speaker 1: spoke to his high school coach, Carl Frankie. Carol described
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Speaker 1: what it was like to coach Pinay Sewell at the
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Speaker 1: high school level. Well, Ferny coach that has a player
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Speaker 1: the caliber of Pinay Suel. It's an absolute dream. You
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Speaker 1: have a kid that is the first to come in
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Speaker 1: first the league or last the league. He works his
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Speaker 1: tail off in the classroom, on the football field, in
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Speaker 1: the weight room, does all the little things right, and
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Speaker 1: then to have the ability that he has as a
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Speaker 1: football player, the mind of you know, almost like a
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Speaker 1: coach out there. It was it was an absolute dream
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Speaker 1: scenario for me to have somebody like Pina sul Uh
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Speaker 1: to coach for sure. How old was he when you
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Speaker 1: met him? And do you remember your early impressions? Um,
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Speaker 1: let's see, he was probably, if I had to guess,
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Speaker 1: probably twelve, maybe eleven or twelve years old the first
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Speaker 1: time I met him, and he was just a goofy kid,
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Speaker 1: you know, big kid for his age, obviously bigger than
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Speaker 1: his other brothers at that age, and just fun loving, goofy.
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Speaker 1: M pretty quiet though, uh you know it's it's funny.
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Speaker 1: In the Polynesian culture, they have like a pecking order,
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Speaker 1: you know, with the brothers and with the parents and
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Speaker 1: everything else, and so uh kind of knew where he
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Speaker 1: stood in line there, and uh took some beatings, I guess,
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Speaker 1: but it was it was all funny games and you know,
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Speaker 1: just just a really good, good kid. But like I said,
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Speaker 1: fun loving kind of like how he is now. You know,
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Speaker 1: he's just a fun loving enjoys as a passion for
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Speaker 1: life and enjoys people, and um, that's that's kind of
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Speaker 1: what I can remember. From the beginning. We're talking to
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Speaker 1: Carl Frankie pine Swell's high school coach. Safe to assume
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Speaker 1: you don't see many kids with that size and athletic
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Speaker 1: ability in Saint George, Utah. No, not in Saint George, Utah. Um,
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Speaker 1: we're a little less than probably ninety thousand people there
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Speaker 1: in southwest Utah. And uh, you know, the only other
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Speaker 1: person besides maybe Piney is his brother Noah with the
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Speaker 1: size and speed and athleticism. Uh with um with why
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Speaker 1: he had what you know, Noah played a quarterback for
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Speaker 1: me as a sophomore, and that's how athletic he was.
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Speaker 1: And so, um, yeah, you don't. You don't find kids
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Speaker 1: the like that too often where we're from, that's for sure, Carl.
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Speaker 1: I am picturing the movie The blind Side where Michael
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Speaker 1: or at the high school level, completely blocks some undersized
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Speaker 1: kid right off the field. Were there amusing moments like
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Speaker 1: that with Piney? Yes, and no I think, And that
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Speaker 1: was to credit Pinat and his play. He never played
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Speaker 1: down to his opponents, so he would always just play
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Speaker 1: at a high level at all times. And that was
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Speaker 1: something we kind of preached to him as well, because
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Speaker 1: as a kid, you can kind of get complacent because
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Speaker 1: it gets sort of easy for you with the level
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Speaker 1: of opponents that you may come across at the defensive
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Speaker 1: end position or linebacker position that you may face weekend
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Speaker 1: and week out, and so continuing to push Pinay and
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Speaker 1: challenge him weekend and week out as a big thing.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, there was times where you kind of felt
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Speaker 1: sorry for the kid across the way. But at the
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Speaker 1: same time, I think he knew what he was getting into,
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Speaker 1: and I think the coaches knew what the their players
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Speaker 1: are going to get into weekend and week out, And
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Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't always easy. Sometimes there was a
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Speaker 1: few challenges along the way. I mean, he played his
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Speaker 1: whole senior year with a torn laboram so he really
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Speaker 1: only played with one arm. So that gave the other
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Speaker 1: kid and at least an advantage there. But you know,
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Speaker 1: there were times where, you know, I think the biggest
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Speaker 1: knot on Pinney from some coaches or from other people
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Speaker 1: is always doesn't play anybody and this and that and so,
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Speaker 1: which isn't true. We do play some pretty good talent,
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Speaker 1: and we'd always try to schedule larger classifications when I
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Speaker 1: was a head coach there and so try to at
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Speaker 1: least get kids the exposure playing up levels and even
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Speaker 1: outside of the state of Utah, who playing in California
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Speaker 1: and Nevada and things like that. So always trying to
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Speaker 1: push the kids to get better, get them the exposure
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Speaker 1: they needed. But you know, Piney did a pretty good
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Speaker 1: job of always at that elite level as much as
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Speaker 1: possible and really working at his craft. Was he technically
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Speaker 1: sound at that age or did he just physically overwhelm kids?
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Speaker 1: I think early on it was more of a physical
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Speaker 1: thing until he kind of found out that, you know,
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Speaker 1: as he as he gets um in the higher levels
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Speaker 1: of football that you know, just being big and powerful,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't just gonna you know, take care of itself.
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Speaker 1: That you had to actually have technique and your hand
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Speaker 1: placement and your footwork and the mindset, just your your
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Speaker 1: posture and um how he you know, basically setting yourself
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Speaker 1: up for being successful on the field. And I think
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Speaker 1: our offensive line coach did a really good job at that,
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Speaker 1: just keeping him, uh, you know, working on things. And
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Speaker 1: like I said, Pinney was always the you know, the
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Speaker 1: first ones through the drill and always helping out his
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Speaker 1: teammates with the Drill. The thing that always impressed me
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Speaker 1: about Piney was he was always looking to get better,
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Speaker 1: just like a sponge, just soaking it up, watching watching
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Speaker 1: game film and watching things online and going to camps
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Speaker 1: and meeting people that played that position and just trying
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Speaker 1: to just own that craft. And so he's always been
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Speaker 1: just fully involved and just delve right into it and
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Speaker 1: really took to it like a duck takes the water.
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Speaker 1: And so I was always impressed with that about tone.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, he worked out it. I mean it didn't
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Speaker 1: come easy at first. When you're a big kid like
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Speaker 1: that and you're six five, three hundred and fifty pounds
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Speaker 1: in high school, you know, your wink can almost become
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Speaker 1: a disadvantage of time. So he really worked at his
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Speaker 1: footwork and his ability to with his athleticism even lateral movement.
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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, if I could have put an
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Speaker 1: eighty number on him, he could have started a tight
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Speaker 1: end for us. That's how letick he was his junior
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Speaker 1: and senior year in high school. We're talking to Carl Frankie,
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Speaker 1: who was Pills High school of coach. What was recruiting like,
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Speaker 1: Oh craziness, you know, um, he had gotten offers when
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Speaker 1: he was a ninth grader. It was it was crazy
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Speaker 1: to see once the first offer came across, they started
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Speaker 1: all the dominoes started to fall. But I think it
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Speaker 1: wasn't until he entered into a couple of big, big
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Speaker 1: man camps in California and basically you know, too took
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Speaker 1: over the camp that it started to like really take
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Speaker 1: from a lot of the bigger Division one Power five
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Speaker 1: conferences in the schools and that. So um, but it
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Speaker 1: was you know, it was fun, but it was also
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Speaker 1: one of those things as a coach and as a
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Speaker 1: you know, as his his parents trying to keep him
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Speaker 1: level headed, which I think we all did a pretty
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Speaker 1: good job, you know, having Nick Saban on campus and
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Speaker 1: Mario Crys the ball and people of that caliber on
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Speaker 1: campus that just doesn't happen every day, and so being
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Speaker 1: able to navigate through all that the landscape of just
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Speaker 1: all the recruiting is you know, at that point for
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Speaker 1: me even it was new to me because we had
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Speaker 1: never had a player of that caliber come through, and
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Speaker 1: so a lot of it was you know, it's funny
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Speaker 1: because his father gave and I talk about things now
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Speaker 1: were like man, we wouldn't ever, we would never even
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Speaker 1: discuss these things. Think about the conversations we're having nowadays,
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Speaker 1: we weren't having, you know, five six years ago, and
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Speaker 1: we just kind of laugh about it. But it was,
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Speaker 1: you know, fun but also challenging, but also keeping him.
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Speaker 1: You know, Peney was easy. He just wanted to play football.
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Speaker 1: A lot of kids get caught up the limelight, and
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Speaker 1: they get caught up with all the you know, the
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Speaker 1: the Twitter stuff and to put how many offers they got.
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Speaker 1: Pinney wasn't all about that. Piney was about just going
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Speaker 1: out and doing his job as a teammate and continuing
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Speaker 1: to do what was asked of him at home and
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Speaker 1: also for me as a coach and of his teachers
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Speaker 1: at school. So I think he did a fantastic job
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Speaker 1: doing that. He has three brothers who also played or
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Speaker 1: are playing Division one college football. Were they raised to
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Speaker 1: be football players? Um, I don't know if you actually
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Speaker 1: raise a kid to be a football player. I think
17:40
Speaker 1: what dad and mom did was they took a chance.
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Speaker 1: They left the island of Samoa, American Samoa, and they said,
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Speaker 1: you know what we got. We want to give our
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Speaker 1: kids the best opportunities to get an education, and we're
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Speaker 1: not gonna be able to do that from this location.
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Speaker 1: And you know, they took a big leap of faith.
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Speaker 1: And I think what they did was they just opened
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Speaker 1: doors for their kids where they wouldn't otherwise be open
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Speaker 1: in order to have their kids choose what they wanted
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Speaker 1: to do. I don't think they were ever forced to
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Speaker 1: just do football, you know. I think that's like I said,
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Speaker 1: I think that's just came naturally to them and they
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Speaker 1: really just took to it and they were really good
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Speaker 1: at it. But it wasn't forced upon or it wasn't like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be raised to be a football player. It was, hey,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna open these doors for you that we can't
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Speaker 1: do here in American Samoa, and we're gonna we're gonna
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Speaker 1: come to the mainland and we're gonna give you opportunities,
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Speaker 1: and you better take advantage of these opportunities because these
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Speaker 1: are great sacrifices we're making. And I think that's what
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Speaker 1: the kids kind of hung their hat on, because even
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Speaker 1: if you listen to what they posed, or when they
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Speaker 1: talked to mom or dad or they went an award,
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Speaker 1: they always talked to their about their parents first and
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Speaker 1: so you kind of know where it comes from it
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Speaker 1: is and then and then the beliefs you know, in um,
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Speaker 1: their religious beliefs and so on. So they had such
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Speaker 1: a really good foundation. And that's the one thing I
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Speaker 1: try to tell people I was so impressed with and
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Speaker 1: I'm really close with the family as well. UM that
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Speaker 1: gave and arline both the Pina's parents did such a
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Speaker 1: good job of keeping the kids grounded but also allowing
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Speaker 1: them to have opportunities. But a lot of sacrifices had
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Speaker 1: to happen in order for those things to happen. And
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Speaker 1: I think the kids are um, you know, they they
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Speaker 1: know that, and so they really feel like they have
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Speaker 1: to hold up there into the bargain. So, UM, I
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Speaker 1: think they've done that. You know, we're chatting with Carl Frankie,
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Speaker 1: who coached pinat Sewell in high school. What do you
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Speaker 1: think Pina's biggest challenge will be in making the jump
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Speaker 1: to the NFL. UM, I think it's any challenge when
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Speaker 1: you move up levels in football, right, the size, the strength,
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Speaker 1: the speed, I think the speed of the game, you know, obviously,
20:03
Speaker 1: I think um, just knowing Pinney, I think he just
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Speaker 1: he loves that part of it. You know, he loves
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Speaker 1: the challenge and he picks things up super quick. So
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Speaker 1: I don't think like scheme and things like that are
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Speaker 1: going to be an issue for him. I just think
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Speaker 1: the first, you know, first couple of games, that's gonna
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Speaker 1: be his adrenaline's gonna be pumped in and um and
20:26
Speaker 1: then and then also the city he goes to. You know,
20:29
Speaker 1: if he goes to a big city like New York,
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Speaker 1: if the Jets you know, take him at number two,
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Speaker 1: say they don't go quarterback the big city of you know,
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Speaker 1: of New York, that's gonna be completely a different culture
20:43
Speaker 1: shock to him because I know Piney like small small
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Speaker 1: town cities and stuff like that. So um, you know
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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati is kind of more that speed. If if
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Speaker 1: the if the Bengals end up getting Piney Soul, I
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Speaker 1: think he'll fit right into that city because it's not
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Speaker 1: a huge city. But he's like kind of a blue
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Speaker 1: collar guy because he just likes to work and he's
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Speaker 1: not into the nightlife. He's not in all that stuff.
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Speaker 1: He just like I said, he just wants to play
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Speaker 1: football and he wants to be a great teammate and
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Speaker 1: he wants to be a leader in a community, and
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Speaker 1: I think I think he'll navigate greatly through that. He's
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Speaker 1: got a lot of people on his side, a lot
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Speaker 1: of other from Polynesian ancestry on his side that have
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Speaker 1: been to the show, that have done it, and I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, he'll be able to lean on those people
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Speaker 1: to kind of get through at least the first couple
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Speaker 1: of years of being in the league. He would definitely
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Speaker 1: fit in and Cincinnati if it works out that way.
21:46
Speaker 1: Here's my final question for Carl Frankie. Did you feel
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Speaker 1: like you were coaching a future Anthony Muno's or or
21:55
Speaker 1: Tony Basselli when you coached him at the high school level.
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Speaker 1: I knew I was coached someone who was special. Now,
22:02
Speaker 1: I hate comparing people. I think Pna Seul is going
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Speaker 1: to be in his own lane. The Anthony Munios's of
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Speaker 1: the world and those of the Hall of Fame caliber everyone,
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Speaker 1: they all have their own little uniqueness to them, and
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Speaker 1: I think Denay soul is going to be that unique
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Speaker 1: type of player. I think he's gonna basically blaze his
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Speaker 1: own path. He's kind of done that, as you know,
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Speaker 1: with his family, blazing a new trail, new path, and
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Speaker 1: I think he's going to continue to do that in
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Speaker 1: the NFL, and you know I can. When I was
22:39
Speaker 1: coaching him, all I knew was that I was coaching
22:41
Speaker 1: someone special. But I've coached a lot of special players
22:45
Speaker 1: and some pan out and some don't. And I just,
22:49
Speaker 1: for for some reason, he just felt like to me
22:51
Speaker 1: that he was going to be the one that kind
22:53
Speaker 1: of sets the tone for that family and is able
22:58
Speaker 1: to do something great, and you know, God forbid anything
23:05
Speaker 1: happens from you know, down the road in his career.
23:09
Speaker 1: I think if he stays healthy, I think he could
23:11
Speaker 1: play for twenty plus years and he could be yelling
23:14
Speaker 1: at wearing a yellow jack jacket at the end of
23:17
Speaker 1: the whole thing. So I think he is that special.
23:22
Speaker 1: And you know, again, as a coach, you're just trying
23:27
Speaker 1: to help him and facilitate him and get him to
23:30
Speaker 1: a position where it just he's successful. And I think
23:35
Speaker 1: as a player they have to take those opportunities like
23:39
Speaker 1: Pinnay did with his parents moving into the States. Just
23:41
Speaker 1: take those opportunities and making the best of those opportunities
23:45
Speaker 1: and don't letting them slide by to And I'm telling
23:48
Speaker 1: you what the Bengals are, They're at five and pay
23:52
Speaker 1: is if Panay is there at five and the Bengals
23:55
Speaker 1: have that pick. If they go other than Pinay's school,
23:59
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna miss out on a high caliber
24:04
Speaker 1: a player and a high caliber person. And that's that's
24:07
Speaker 1: what you get with Pinay Souls, not only the player
24:11
Speaker 1: but the person. And I think Cincinnati be blessed to
24:16
Speaker 1: have them if they can get them. Carl, this has
24:18
Speaker 1: been fantastic. I really appreciate your time. Thanks for joining
24:22
Speaker 1: us on the podcast. I appreciate thank you so much
24:25
Speaker 1: for having me on. After playing for coach Frankie at
24:29
Speaker 1: Desert Hills, Pinay was considered one of the top offensive
24:32
Speaker 1: line recruits in the country. When it came time to
24:34
Speaker 1: make his college decision, a standing room only crowd gathered
24:38
Speaker 1: at his high school, and sewell stood behind a table
24:41
Speaker 1: with four hats on it from left to right, Utah, Oregon, Alabama,
24:45
Speaker 1: and usc Pinnay then unzipped his jacket to reveal an
24:50
Speaker 1: Oregon shirt before grabbing the matching hat and flashing an
24:54
Speaker 1: Oregon OH. As a true freshman, he started the season
24:57
Speaker 1: opener a month before his eighteen birthday and eventually earned
25:02
Speaker 1: all conference honors. As a sophomore, Pinay was a unanimous
25:06
Speaker 1: first team All American, won the Outland Trophy, and helped
25:10
Speaker 1: the Ducks go twelve and two and win the Rose Bowl.
25:13
Speaker 1: That year, he earned the highest grade for an offensive
25:16
Speaker 1: lineman in Pro Football Focus history, as Pinay did not
25:19
Speaker 1: surrender a sack in four hundred ninety one pass blocking
25:23
Speaker 1: snaps and allowed just five hurries and two hits on
25:26
Speaker 1: the quarterback. This past season, with the Pac twelve waiting
25:30
Speaker 1: until November before starting play, Sewell opted out and began
25:35
Speaker 1: training for his NFL future. Jerry Allen has been the
25:39
Speaker 1: radio voice of the Ducks for more than thirty years,
25:41
Speaker 1: meaning he saw nearly every college snap taken by the
25:45
Speaker 1: likes of Marcus Mariota, Helodi Nada, Justin Herbert, and yes,
25:50
Speaker 1: Achille Smith. Don't hold that one against him. I reached
25:55
Speaker 1: out to the two seventeen sportscaster of the Year in
25:58
Speaker 1: the state of Oregon. Jerry, you called his games for
26:02
Speaker 1: a couple of years. What stood out to you about
26:04
Speaker 1: Penasul's play at Oregon? Well, I think from the get go, Dan,
26:08
Speaker 1: he was so mature and beyond the college athlete when
26:12
Speaker 1: he came in as a freshman. He looked like he
26:14
Speaker 1: was going to the NFL at first year. His body,
26:17
Speaker 1: his attitude, his personality, his intelligence on the field, he
26:22
Speaker 1: just he looked out of place. He looked like a
26:25
Speaker 1: man among boys. I think that's the thing that first
26:28
Speaker 1: struck us, and we saw that that first year. I'm
26:31
Speaker 1: glad you mentioned his physique because I was reading a
26:33
Speaker 1: story about him and somebody described it as he's six six,
26:37
Speaker 1: three thirty but felt is that a good description. You know,
26:43
Speaker 1: he came in at three fifty three fifty five out
26:46
Speaker 1: of high school, so they did trim him down. Aaron
26:51
Speaker 1: Felt his Oregon strength and conditioning guru, and he really
26:56
Speaker 1: put together program that allowed him to maximize his body
26:59
Speaker 1: and tune it. So you know, when you watch him,
27:02
Speaker 1: you know he doesn't look like a big old what
27:05
Speaker 1: we call, I don't want to say fat offensive lineman.
27:08
Speaker 1: Let's just say he doesn't fit that profile. He's very strong.
27:12
Speaker 1: We're talking to Jerry Allen, the voice of the Oregon Ducks.
27:15
Speaker 1: This might be hard for an offensive lineman. But were
27:19
Speaker 1: there any games or any plays that stood out in
27:22
Speaker 1: particular with Piney? You know, he was so steady at
27:26
Speaker 1: what he did. I think if I was going to
27:28
Speaker 1: think about something he accomplished, it wouldn't be a play
27:33
Speaker 1: or a game, but maybe a season. He would nine
27:36
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty nine snaps as a left tackle and
27:40
Speaker 1: never allowed a sack. I think he had one penalty
27:45
Speaker 1: in a season and a half as an offensive lineman.
27:48
Speaker 1: How do you not get caught holding? So I think
27:51
Speaker 1: his intelligence on the field, knowing the game so well,
27:55
Speaker 1: along with that physique embody that he has is Yeah,
27:59
Speaker 1: he can't pick out one play understandable for an offensive lineman, certainly, Jerry,
28:05
Speaker 1: did you have much interaction with him and did you
28:08
Speaker 1: get much of a sense of his personality. He is
28:12
Speaker 1: I don't want to say a typical Polynesian, but sort
28:14
Speaker 1: of that because they are so friendly, they are so family,
28:17
Speaker 1: and they make you feel that way. The last guy
28:20
Speaker 1: that I remember that was his size and just scared
28:24
Speaker 1: you to look up at him, but was a teddy
28:26
Speaker 1: bear was Helodi Nada. Yeah, he was out of the
28:30
Speaker 1: same mold and they both came from Utah, the state
28:32
Speaker 1: of Utah. But he's just he's a gentleman. He I
28:37
Speaker 1: don't remember ever seeing him celebrate on the field after
28:40
Speaker 1: a pancake block. Or after something he did. He was
28:43
Speaker 1: very workman like, and uh, you know, I don't want
28:47
Speaker 1: to say it's almost too good of a story because
28:49
Speaker 1: maybe you want a little flamboyant meanness in there, but
28:51
Speaker 1: he didn't seem to have that. Like a lot of
28:54
Speaker 1: teams at the college level, Oregon throws a lot of
28:57
Speaker 1: quick passes, a lot of screens. Are certainly nothing on
28:59
Speaker 1: you ual about that, But is it fair to wonder
29:03
Speaker 1: how Pinney will translate to having to handle pass protection
29:07
Speaker 1: on longer developing NFL plays. You know, that's something to
29:12
Speaker 1: be seen. We think he can. When I talk to
29:14
Speaker 1: Alex Mirabald, his offensive line coach, and Mario Crystaball, they
29:18
Speaker 1: think he translates extremely well to the NFL. He has
29:21
Speaker 1: really great feet, great hands. I think that's why he
29:24
Speaker 1: was able to protect so well and not get penalties.
29:27
Speaker 1: He stays where he needs to be, he understands. I
29:30
Speaker 1: did notice one thing about him. He's able to get
29:32
Speaker 1: off blocks and get downfield and maybe make another block.
29:36
Speaker 1: He moves pretty well for a big guy, and I
29:38
Speaker 1: think that's why some people might say he seems kind
29:41
Speaker 1: of spelled, because he does move pretty well for an
29:43
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Jerry, You've been doing the Oregon Games for
29:46
Speaker 1: more than thirty years. You've seen some tremendous players, including
29:49
Speaker 1: a Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota. Is Pinney Sewell up
29:54
Speaker 1: there among the very best you ever saw. I think
29:57
Speaker 1: he is certainly the best offensive lineman or and his
30:00
Speaker 1: head in my tenure. Gary Zimmerman was there back years ago.
30:04
Speaker 1: I used to watch Gary play as a fan and
30:07
Speaker 1: he was a tremendous, tremendous lineman. But yeah, he's up there.
30:11
Speaker 1: I think it was interesting before the season started, there
30:14
Speaker 1: were many of us on the West coast, maybe a
30:16
Speaker 1: few on the East coast that we're saying, could he
30:19
Speaker 1: be the first offensive lineman to be invited to New
30:22
Speaker 1: York with Heisman? That's what people were thinking to him.
30:26
Speaker 1: Before we continue with our in depth look at Panais Sewell,
30:29
Speaker 1: we remind you that the Bengals Booth podcast is presented
30:33
Speaker 1: by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing with a
30:36
Speaker 1: hint of fruit flavor. Admittedly, Panay's high school coach and
30:41
Speaker 1: the Oregon Radio Voice weren't likely to say negative things
30:45
Speaker 1: about him. In the final two interviews on this podcast,
30:48
Speaker 1: we get a couple of unbiased opinions up. First, NFL
30:53
Speaker 1: Network draft expert Daniel Jeremiah in his latest mock draft,
30:57
Speaker 1: Daniel has the Bengal selecting Sewel with a overall pick,
31:01
Speaker 1: but on his list of the top fifty prospects, he
31:04
Speaker 1: has NORTHWESTERNS Rashaan Slater ranked as his top offensive lineman
31:08
Speaker 1: and the number seven prospect overall, while he ranked Sewell
31:12
Speaker 1: as the second best O lineman and the number nine
31:15
Speaker 1: prospect overall. I recently took part in a zoom call
31:19
Speaker 1: with Jeremiah where he discussed this year's draft with reporters
31:22
Speaker 1: from around the country. HEDJ last year, there are a
31:26
Speaker 1: lot of left tackles that were kind of plug and
31:28
Speaker 1: play guys who played at a very high level. Compared
31:30
Speaker 1: to this year's class, where are they and who's the
31:33
Speaker 1: top guy? Yeah, that's a great question to me. When
31:37
Speaker 1: I look at last year's group, I think it's it's
31:39
Speaker 1: better than this year's group. There might be some difference
31:42
Speaker 1: of opinion there, but you know, I had McKay Beckton
31:47
Speaker 1: last year. I had a huge grade on him. You
31:49
Speaker 1: look at Jedrick Wills, and then you look at Worf's
31:54
Speaker 1: and then I had Georgia Kidd was my fourth one,
31:58
Speaker 1: but who went to the Giants. So to me, when
32:01
Speaker 1: I stack up this class, I actually have Rashawn Slater
32:04
Speaker 1: as the top tackle in the draft. And he, now
32:06
Speaker 1: I just mentioned a little bit earlier, his arms came
32:09
Speaker 1: in at thirty three inches today, which is it's not great,
32:11
Speaker 1: but it's to me, it's good enough that he can
32:13
Speaker 1: hold up at tackle. And he's just such a clean,
32:17
Speaker 1: clean player on tape. You know, you go back and
32:19
Speaker 1: watch him at Northwestern against Chase Young in twenty nineteen
32:22
Speaker 1: and he more than held his own. His ability to
32:25
Speaker 1: recover and rework his hands in that game was really good.
32:27
Speaker 1: He can bend, he's he's one of the better guys.
32:30
Speaker 1: And even comparing him to the group last year, if
32:33
Speaker 1: you look at just the ability to climb up to
32:35
Speaker 1: the second level in the run game and what he
32:37
Speaker 1: can do with his athleticism, I'd say he does that
32:39
Speaker 1: better than even the tackles in last year's draft. But
32:43
Speaker 1: he would be my top one this year. Pine Sewel
32:46
Speaker 1: is right there behind him. They're very close, you know.
32:49
Speaker 1: Sewel is just he's a massive dude who's really It's
32:52
Speaker 1: interesting because he's very explosive. When you watch him in
32:55
Speaker 1: Oregon in twenty nineteen, he's explosive, but he still needs
33:00
Speaker 1: to add some strength. So in other words, you see
33:03
Speaker 1: him just just drive off the ball, you'll see man,
33:05
Speaker 1: he's quick, He's dynamic with how quick he can get
33:08
Speaker 1: out of his stance. He covers up speed rushers no problem.
33:12
Speaker 1: But in past protection sometimes you'll see guys kind of
33:15
Speaker 1: tug and pull him and move him around a little bit,
33:17
Speaker 1: which just needs to get a little bit stronger. But
33:19
Speaker 1: I mean, he was playing as you know, he's a
33:21
Speaker 1: young kid at that point in time, so he's got
33:25
Speaker 1: a lot of upside. But if I was going to
33:27
Speaker 1: look at it from last year, I would take Beckton,
33:29
Speaker 1: Wills and Worf's over you know, the top two guys
33:33
Speaker 1: in this year's draft class. But I think all five
33:35
Speaker 1: of those guys are are really good players. And last
33:39
Speaker 1: year I had Worf's as the number three guy. He
33:41
Speaker 1: ended up playing better than everybody else, So that speaks
33:44
Speaker 1: to just how good that group was last year. Hey,
33:48
Speaker 1: DJ Dan Horden, Cincinnati, you are a bit of an
33:51
Speaker 1: outlier in ranking Slater over Sewell, but you do say
33:55
Speaker 1: that Sewell has the most upside of those guys. What
33:58
Speaker 1: is his ceiling and what is he his floor? And
34:01
Speaker 1: if either of those guys is available at number five,
34:03
Speaker 1: should Cincinnati pounce? Yeah, I think either one of them
34:07
Speaker 1: would be great. Uh would fit really well in there.
34:10
Speaker 1: And look, I have Slater over Seel. I think he's
34:13
Speaker 1: more consistent. I think I know exactly where he is.
34:17
Speaker 1: But you mentioned that Sewel's got more upside. He's just bigger. Um,
34:20
Speaker 1: he's a more powerful guy. And when you look at
34:24
Speaker 1: kind of the makeup of the offensive line there in Cincinnati,
34:27
Speaker 1: I think you can make an argument for Sewel ahead
34:29
Speaker 1: of Slater just just because of that. Um. In terms
34:33
Speaker 1: of his upside, I think he's got a chance to
34:35
Speaker 1: be a really really good player. I've been around you know,
34:38
Speaker 1: I've been spoiled. I've been around Jonathan Ogden, I've been
34:41
Speaker 1: around Joe Thomas, I've been around Jason Peters. I don't
34:44
Speaker 1: I don't put him in that group. I don't think
34:47
Speaker 1: he's you know, has a chance to get to that level,
34:49
Speaker 1: even though he's a really young kid. But I think
34:52
Speaker 1: he's got a chance to to grow into be in
34:54
Speaker 1: a Both these guys I think got a chance to be,
34:56
Speaker 1: you know, perennial Pro Bowl players, and Slater might end
35:00
Speaker 1: up having to kick inside. So that's a great debate
35:03
Speaker 1: to have inside the building. I just know, when I
35:05
Speaker 1: put my list together and you kind of put the
35:08
Speaker 1: positives in the negatives down with Slater, I just don't
35:11
Speaker 1: It's not much negative to put down on the paper.
35:13
Speaker 1: I just don't see anything that really concerns me. I
35:16
Speaker 1: think he's just going to be a really, really good player,
35:19
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, even though he personally ranks Slater
35:22
Speaker 1: over Sewell. In his latest mock draft, Daniel Jeremiah has
35:26
Speaker 1: the Bengal selecting Pinay with the fifth overall pick and
35:30
Speaker 1: has Slater going to the forty nine ers at number twelve.
35:34
Speaker 1: At Pro Football Focus, seven different analysts or in one case,
35:38
Speaker 1: a pair of analysts are coming out with mock drafts.
35:42
Speaker 1: A new one drops every week right now. Three of
35:45
Speaker 1: the mocks have the Bengal selecting Pinay Sewell. The other
35:49
Speaker 1: four have Cincinnati picking LSU wide receiver jamar Chase. Austin
35:54
Speaker 1: Gale is among the p F analysts who has Sewell
35:57
Speaker 1: coming to Cincinnati been based on the PF data, how
36:03
Speaker 1: good was Pinay Sewell in his two years at Oregon.
36:06
Speaker 1: I mean, I would argue that Piney Sewell, what he
36:08
Speaker 1: did eighteen nineteen years old at the University of Oregon
36:11
Speaker 1: is honestly the best performance from an office tackle we've
36:14
Speaker 1: ever seen. When you factor in age, he isn't the
36:17
Speaker 1: best or highest graded offensive tackle we've ever seen, but
36:19
Speaker 1: you age matters, and it's not so much that you're
36:22
Speaker 1: drafting a young player and he has more years in
36:24
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's because it is very difficult at the
36:27
Speaker 1: collegiate level to be very good at eighteen nineteen years old,
36:30
Speaker 1: because a lot of these other guys had that natural
36:33
Speaker 1: maturation about the way if you're twenty three, twenty four
36:36
Speaker 1: years old, you're more developed than these kids coming out
36:39
Speaker 1: of high school. And to see what he did at
36:40
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen years old at Oregon highest percentage of positively
36:44
Speaker 1: graded box we've ever seen in a single season from
36:47
Speaker 1: any offensive tackle since twenty fourteen. In twenty nineteen before
36:50
Speaker 1: he opted out. He's also excellent in pass protection and still,
36:53
Speaker 1: in my opinion, this doesn't get brought up enough, still
36:55
Speaker 1: very raw. His technique can improve, his hand placement, can
37:00
Speaker 1: improve his footwork, can improve, And that's scary. That is
37:03
Speaker 1: scary how much it can improve. I was talking to
37:06
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks of NFL Media recently. He talked a lot
37:08
Speaker 1: about all the scouts in the NFL or a lot
37:10
Speaker 1: of scouts talk about a phrase. You grade the flashes,
37:13
Speaker 1: you grade the high end the low end in his game.
37:17
Speaker 1: You have to get that out of his game. But
37:18
Speaker 1: you need to see the high end. And there isn't
37:20
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle in this class. There is an offensive
37:22
Speaker 1: tackle we've seen the last five years where there's better
37:25
Speaker 1: high end on there that tape than Piney Soul. Can
37:27
Speaker 1: he get better? Absolutely? Is he perfect right now? Not
37:30
Speaker 1: a chance. But you're drafting him for what you saw
37:32
Speaker 1: in the high end. You're drafting him because you know
37:35
Speaker 1: you can mold this guy into a ten fifteen year
37:38
Speaker 1: stalwart piece of your team. We're talking to Austin Gale
37:40
Speaker 1: from Pro Football Focus. According to PFF, he didn't give
37:43
Speaker 1: up a sack in four hundred ninety one pass blocking
37:46
Speaker 1: opportunities a sophomore one sack and two hundred and fifteen
37:50
Speaker 1: pass blocking opportunities as a freshman. I want to draft
37:53
Speaker 1: the guy that had the sack, whoever that was But
37:55
Speaker 1: here's something else that caught my eye. Quote he led
37:58
Speaker 1: the nation in big time blocks with thirteen. What is
38:02
Speaker 1: a big time block according to PFF, Yeah, big time
38:06
Speaker 1: You know that like kind of modifiers use a lot
38:08
Speaker 1: at PF. And that's anytime you see like big time
38:10
Speaker 1: throws big time blocks, that's when because PF grades every
38:14
Speaker 1: single player on every single play from negative two to
38:17
Speaker 1: positive two at point five increments, you have plays where
38:20
Speaker 1: a player will get a one point zero grade, a
38:22
Speaker 1: one point five and a two point oh. You obviously
38:25
Speaker 1: have like the majority positives are point fives. But when
38:27
Speaker 1: you get to a one point zero, one point five,
38:29
Speaker 1: two point zero, those are extraordinary plays. Those are above
38:32
Speaker 1: way above average plays. So those thirteen blocks, those are
38:35
Speaker 1: big time blocks. When you have a you have a
38:37
Speaker 1: grade of a one, one point five, two point oh,
38:39
Speaker 1: that's when you're pancaking a guy. That's when you're driving
38:41
Speaker 1: them into the dirt. That's when you're picking up two blocks.
38:44
Speaker 1: When your responsibility is one, you get point fives. When
38:47
Speaker 1: you do your assignment, well, you get one point zeros,
38:50
Speaker 1: one point five, two point os. When you go above
38:52
Speaker 1: and beyond expectations, significantly above expectations, There's another stat we
38:56
Speaker 1: have is big time throws. You know right now, if
38:58
Speaker 1: you hit a five yard slant, oftentimes it's a point
39:01
Speaker 1: five or something. It's depending on how far the throw is,
39:04
Speaker 1: is it beyond the sticks. But if you hit a
39:06
Speaker 1: guy in stride deep down the field twenty three yards
39:08
Speaker 1: down field, or hit a guy in tight windows and
39:10
Speaker 1: those types of things, that's when you get to these
39:11
Speaker 1: big time throws down the football field that leads to
39:13
Speaker 1: bigger plays. It really speaks to again the flashes the
39:17
Speaker 1: high end in Pinnas tools game. This is a guy
39:20
Speaker 1: that has all the high end in the world as
39:22
Speaker 1: a screen blocker, rum blocker, and in past protection he's
39:25
Speaker 1: kept a clean sheet. Like you said, in past protection
39:28
Speaker 1: only one sack allowed in two years. I mean, and
39:31
Speaker 1: I think the biggest knock on Pinay Soul, and we'll
39:33
Speaker 1: probably get into this as well, is that you don't
39:35
Speaker 1: face a lot of top tier talent in the PAC twelve,
39:37
Speaker 1: specifically at edge defender. There's some Bradley and I Joe
39:41
Speaker 1: try on some guys there in the PAC twelve that
39:43
Speaker 1: did give him some trouble, But you don't see a
39:45
Speaker 1: lot of top competition. But you can only play the
39:47
Speaker 1: cards you're delt. You can only block the guys on
39:49
Speaker 1: your schedule. You can't discredit him too much for that.
39:51
Speaker 1: I do think he has all the tools, all the
39:53
Speaker 1: traits to be really good against top tier competition in
39:56
Speaker 1: the NFL. He opted out last year. He was hardly
39:59
Speaker 1: the only guy to do that. But is that a knock.
40:02
Speaker 1: The only reason it would be a knock, it's not
40:04
Speaker 1: his decision. I think a lot of people bring up
40:06
Speaker 1: the opt outs and think about, you know, he didn't
40:07
Speaker 1: want to play football. All that stuff is garbage. If
40:09
Speaker 1: you didn't want to play this cast year because you
40:10
Speaker 1: didn't want to get literally a pandemic disease, that is
40:13
Speaker 1: totally understandable. Especially I talk to you guys that have
40:16
Speaker 1: opted out where their moms are nurses, They have siblings
40:19
Speaker 1: that are you know, in ICEU for different terminal illnesses,
40:22
Speaker 1: Like it makes sense, like, do not knock a kid
40:24
Speaker 1: in this class that opted out due to personal reasons.
40:27
Speaker 1: The only con is that you just haven't seen more
40:29
Speaker 1: of them play, you know, Like I mean, when you're
40:31
Speaker 1: evaluating talent, you know, especially for the draft, nine times
40:35
Speaker 1: out of ten, the most important year is your last
40:37
Speaker 1: one and we didn't. We didn't get to see Pinas
40:39
Speaker 1: Touls last one. You know, Joe Burrows doesn't have his
40:41
Speaker 1: last season. I don't know if he even gets drafted
40:43
Speaker 1: inside the top fifty, top one hundred. Because it's your
40:46
Speaker 1: last year, you're most matured, most developed, most experienced. This
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Speaker 1: is when you need to turn it on, and we
40:52
Speaker 1: didn't get to really see that from an Pinas Toul.
40:54
Speaker 1: Fortunately for him, he's an absolute freak of nature that
40:57
Speaker 1: was an outstanding at nineteen years old. But you have
40:59
Speaker 1: to think about some of the other guys that opted
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Speaker 1: out that maybe didn't have that type of season in
41:04
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. That's where you're going to start to see
41:06
Speaker 1: concern you didn't know. A good example is the name
41:08
Speaker 1: I mentioned, Joe Tryon of Washington wasn't spectacular along the
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Speaker 1: edge for Washington, has some freaky tools, has some really
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Speaker 1: good traits, but you never see him really do it
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Speaker 1: at a high level and then obviously opted out of
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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season. Those are the prospects where I
41:21
Speaker 1: think they got hurt more. But when you look at
41:23
Speaker 1: Pinas Tool, Micah Parsons, Jamar Chase, these guys that Rashaan
41:27
Speaker 1: Slater you knew these guys were good. They've already put
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Speaker 1: good tape on you know, you've already put some good
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Speaker 1: things on film. Pinas tools in that category more than
41:34
Speaker 1: he is the other. We're talking to Austin Gale from
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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. If you love the NFL, you should
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Speaker 1: be following him on Twitter at PFF underscore Austin Gayale
41:44
Speaker 1: and the last name is spelled g A y l
41:47
Speaker 1: E Austin. In recent years, we've all heard that college
41:51
Speaker 1: spread offenses have made it hard to project offensive line
41:55
Speaker 1: prospects to the NFL. How about PF data. Have the
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Speaker 1: guys that you have projected panned out based on their
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Speaker 1: college numbers? Yes, you know, in short, very much so.
42:09
Speaker 1: At PFF, there's a lot of metrics that we track,
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Speaker 1: a lot of grades that we do, and not all
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Speaker 1: of them are super predictive going from college to the NFL.
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Speaker 1: But what we do have a lot of faith in
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Speaker 1: is our passing grades, especially from a clean pocket, our
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Speaker 1: actacy grade or actually charting that we do, and pass blocking,
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Speaker 1: run blocking, pass rushing grades, those in the trenches are
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Speaker 1: very very predictive you over year. Also, athleticism matters, you know,
42:31
Speaker 1: traits matter all of those things. But if PF had
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Speaker 1: one thing that really does translate from college the NFL,
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Speaker 1: it is the trench grades. Pass blocking, run blocking, pass rushing,
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Speaker 1: run defense. Those have predictive power, especially when you see
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Speaker 1: players going against top level competition and grading really well.
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Speaker 1: If you have a high pass blocking grade in the SEC,
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Speaker 1: in the Big ten or even the Pac twelve, it's
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Speaker 1: going to show up in the NFL. Where you start
42:54
Speaker 1: to see some of those non predictive is when you're
42:56
Speaker 1: playing cupcake competition in a group of five. You can
42:59
Speaker 1: only play the layers. You're on your schedule, and you're
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Speaker 1: grading really well for it. But if you never see
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Speaker 1: any NFL competition, that's where we strongly encourage guys to
43:06
Speaker 1: go to the Senior Bowl and try and get some
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Speaker 1: one on ones on tape against top tier competition. So
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Speaker 1: I do think that our pass blocking grades have a
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Speaker 1: lot of predictive power. It's not the end all be all.
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Speaker 1: If they were, I probably wouldn't be working at PFF,
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Speaker 1: probably in the NFL. But I do think that they
43:19
Speaker 1: have a lot of predictive power, and we've seen guys
43:21
Speaker 1: like Tristan Worse, Andrew Thomas, even Mackay Beckton. Guys that
43:25
Speaker 1: have graded well at PF get drafted very, very highly
43:28
Speaker 1: and have immediate success. I am not surprised at how
43:31
Speaker 1: well Tristan Worse has done. He's the outlier. You rarely
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Speaker 1: see Tristan Worse or an offensive tackle as a rookie
43:37
Speaker 1: do as well as he did. But I think that's
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Speaker 1: the type of impact Pinasia we can have. He is
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Speaker 1: that good, He is that freaky of an athlete and
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Speaker 1: that productive at the collegiate level. How much better is
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Speaker 1: pinas sewell than the rest of the pack at tackle
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Speaker 1: in this year's class, So some people see it closer
43:52
Speaker 1: than I do. I think he's significantly better. I think
43:54
Speaker 1: he's the only offensive tackle prospect worth that number five
43:57
Speaker 1: overall pick. And I know some have had Northwest ters.
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Speaker 1: Rashaan Slater mocked the Cincinnati Bengals at five, and while
44:03
Speaker 1: that is a moderate reach, I don't necessarily would rule
44:07
Speaker 1: it as an out as an option. You know, player
44:08
Speaker 1: evaluation for the draft is is a moving process. It's
44:12
Speaker 1: very difficult to like definitively say one player is better
44:15
Speaker 1: than the other. Depends on the scheme that you're running,
44:17
Speaker 1: the development you're going to pay to this kid, what
44:20
Speaker 1: he needs to improve, what coaching staff you have, and
44:22
Speaker 1: the skills that they have to improve. Players say you
44:24
Speaker 1: have a coaching staff that can't improve Pina Soals technique
44:27
Speaker 1: doesn't have that skill set. Rashaan Slater is probably the
44:29
Speaker 1: most technically sound offensive tackle in this class. He has
44:32
Speaker 1: an absolute technical marvel and you see that in his game.
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Speaker 1: Short arms, maybe better projects as a guard, really good
44:38
Speaker 1: feet and still needs to build up from a playstrink perspective.
44:41
Speaker 1: Can your guys coach that up? Maybe? If not panas
44:44
Speaker 1: Soul a guy that you can coach up technique wise,
44:46
Speaker 1: maybe is your option. It's definitely. It's not so black
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Speaker 1: and white as sometimes like I think content and media
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Speaker 1: can make it where like this tackle is better than
44:53
Speaker 1: this tackle, and you take this tackle every time. It's
44:56
Speaker 1: kind of like your you know what flavor you're looking for,
44:59
Speaker 1: especially at the receiver position. You know, there's so many
45:01
Speaker 1: different types of receivers that you want. If you want
45:03
Speaker 1: an absolute bully, you go Jamar Chase. If you want
45:06
Speaker 1: a pure route runner, you go Davante Smith. If you
45:08
Speaker 1: want speed, Jalen Waddle. It's so hard to say he's
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Speaker 1: better than him. He's been on him. It depends on
45:13
Speaker 1: the system, It depends on usage, it depends on development,
45:16
Speaker 1: all those things. I think there's a pretty big gap
45:18
Speaker 1: between Pinas Soul and Reshaon Slater from a pure talent perspective,
45:22
Speaker 1: But both guys could have a ton of success year one.
45:25
Speaker 1: Reshaon Slater could grade better year one depending on the
45:28
Speaker 1: system he's putting it in those things. But I will
45:29
Speaker 1: say right now, I think Pina Soil is the best,
45:31
Speaker 1: then Reshaon Slater, and then after that, I do think
45:34
Speaker 1: it starts to get even a bigger tier drop off
45:36
Speaker 1: to Darisau of Virginia Tech, Dylan Raidens of North Dakota State,
45:41
Speaker 1: Alex Leatherwood Alabama, Jalen Mayfield Michigan. Like, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of good out of the tackle prospects there, but none
45:46
Speaker 1: are like Slater and Seul, and I think Barren tears
45:48
Speaker 1: of themselves. All right, do you reference the wide receivers.
45:51
Speaker 1: That's the perfect segue to my final question for Austin
45:54
Speaker 1: Gale from Pro Football Focus. I've talked to your colleagues.
45:57
Speaker 1: Anthony Trash was a guest on this podcast past a
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Speaker 1: few weeks ago, and he made the case that yes,
46:03
Speaker 1: Pine Sewell is the best offensive lineman in the draft
46:06
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily be bad in his opinion, if the Bengals
46:08
Speaker 1: drafted him number five overall. But he says, and others
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Speaker 1: of your colleagues have said that the value of a
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Speaker 1: number one wide receiver like a Jamar Chase or a
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Speaker 1: Davante Smith is greater than the value of a great tackle.
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Speaker 1: Where do you stand on that debate? So I definitely
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Speaker 1: agree with him from a value perspective. I think if
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Speaker 1: you can get a true number one wide receiver, it
46:31
Speaker 1: can have more a bigger impact on your offense and
46:34
Speaker 1: a bigger impact on your win probability than an offensive tackle.
46:37
Speaker 1: Because you know, Sam and Steve say this all the time.
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Speaker 1: Sam Monson and Steve Palasolo who hosts the p NFL
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Speaker 1: podcast and a bit at PF. Since I was like
46:45
Speaker 1: a kid, you know these guys say it all the time,
46:47
Speaker 1: and that you don't need to be elite along the
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Speaker 1: offensive line. You just need to be good. You don't
46:52
Speaker 1: have to have you know, Jonathan Ogden, Marshall Yonda and
46:55
Speaker 1: his prime Nick Mangold like these elite offensive lineman to
46:59
Speaker 1: be a good offensive raid offense. I mean the Kansas
47:01
Speaker 1: City Chiefs went to the Super Bowl with backups at
47:03
Speaker 1: tackle you know, lost and lost and one of the
47:08
Speaker 1: more successful teams in the NFL this past year, and
47:10
Speaker 1: don't have great offensive linement like Eric Fisher is average
47:13
Speaker 1: to above average, Mitchell Schwartz is above average, one of
47:16
Speaker 1: the better right tackles in the league. But along the
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Speaker 1: INTI your offensive line, you'd be hard pressed to know
47:20
Speaker 1: all three of those guys like they don't have a
47:22
Speaker 1: ton of offensive line talent. The reason for that is
47:24
Speaker 1: they have the best quarterback in the NFL. I'd argue
47:26
Speaker 1: the best receiver in the NFL and Tyreek Hill, and
47:28
Speaker 1: the best tight end in the NFL in Travis Kelce.
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Speaker 1: Getting elite at those positions is more important than getting
47:34
Speaker 1: elite at offensive line. It's a big reason why and
47:36
Speaker 1: elite offensive tackle verse an elite receiver. Maybe it makes
47:40
Speaker 1: more sense to go receiver. But my counter argument is
47:42
Speaker 1: I'm more confident in Penais Seul being elite than I
47:45
Speaker 1: am Jamar Chase, DeVante Smith, or jell and Waddle being
47:48
Speaker 1: elite true number ones, I think they're all fantastic. I
47:50
Speaker 1: think Jamar Chase is one of the better receiver prospects
47:52
Speaker 1: we've seen. But I am more confident in my projection
47:55
Speaker 1: of Pinas Seul than I am confident in Jamar Chase.
47:57
Speaker 1: Both are really good. Pinas Soul, I think, is the
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Speaker 1: number three, your number four player on pff' board. Jamar
48:01
Speaker 1: Chase is like six. You know, like both these players
48:03
Speaker 1: are really good. If you're splitting hairs at this point,
48:05
Speaker 1: But I like Pinacial over any of the receivers in
48:08
Speaker 1: this class. If you're staying put at five and he's
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Speaker 1: on the board, do you think you will be? I
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Speaker 1: ultimately think he does. I can't imagine the New York
48:16
Speaker 1: Jets not going after a quarterback in this class, and
48:19
Speaker 1: if they do trade down, I think they're more looking
48:21
Speaker 1: at Kyle Pitts of Florida. That's from what I've heard.
48:24
Speaker 1: And as for the Miami Dolphins, they've invested a ton
48:26
Speaker 1: of resource in the offensive line, Austin, Austin Jackson, you know,
48:30
Speaker 1: Solomon Kinley, Robert Hunt. Like, they've already spent a good
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Speaker 1: amount of draft capital on offensive line. While they still
48:36
Speaker 1: need to get better there. I think they'll look at
48:38
Speaker 1: it as revisionist history and say, we can't keep doing
48:40
Speaker 1: offensive line, but we have to go somewhere else. I
48:42
Speaker 1: also think they could trade out of that pick for
48:43
Speaker 1: a team looking to come up for a quarterback like Carolina,
48:46
Speaker 1: like Denver, like San Francisco. So ultimately, I think you
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Speaker 1: see three or four quarterbacks go in the top four picks,
48:52
Speaker 1: and then Pinacial is on the board. I think it's
48:53
Speaker 1: going to be a decision between Pinacial, Jamar Chase for
48:57
Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts for the Cincinnati Bengals of five. All Right,
49:00
Speaker 1: Austin Gale has been our guest, Phil folks in on
49:03
Speaker 1: some of the stuff you're working on and where they
49:05
Speaker 1: can see and hear your work. Yeah. Absolutely, go to
49:07
Speaker 1: PFF dot com first and foremost. We're doing a ton
49:09
Speaker 1: of good work there. We're covering the draft obviously coming
49:12
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49:23
Speaker 1: know your stuff, appreciate your time as always, Austin, thank you,
49:26
Speaker 1: of course, thank you, And there it is everything you
49:29
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49:32
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