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Jeffrey Epstein victims speak out! Will co-conspirators be brought to justice? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Multi millionaire Jeffrey Epstein, renowned businessman, traveled in the most
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Speaker 1: elite circles, presidents like Clinton and Trump, even Prince Andrew,
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Speaker 1: or in his phone and address book. But now his
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Speaker 1: alleged sex crime victims literally protesting on his front steps. True,
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Speaker 1: Epstein found with his neck snapped hanging inside a New
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Speaker 1: York jailhouse. But what about his hinch people, his alleged accomplices,
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Speaker 1: his pimps. So to speak, when you say the word pimp,
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Speaker 1: you conjure up images of creepy guys on the street.
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Speaker 1: Not so in this case. As a matter of fact, Reportedly,
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Speaker 1: his main confidante, his main alleged co perpetrator, is a
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Speaker 1: beautiful aristocrat, Jelayne Maxwell. So where is she and will
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Speaker 1: there be charges against her? I Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: crime stories and I want justice. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is video of Jeffrey Epstein's home, taken by investigators
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Speaker 1: during a search of the multi millionaire's Palm Beach mansion.
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Speaker 1: It is where Epstein was involved with at least forty
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Speaker 1: underage girls, some of whom he had sex with. According
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Speaker 1: to court filings obtained by NBC News, several of his
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Speaker 1: accusers speaking out for the first time to the Miami Herald.
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Speaker 1: I was sixteen, I was sixteen. I started going to
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Speaker 1: him when I was like fourteen, fifteen, fourteen, turning fifteen.
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Speaker 1: A report from the Palm Beach Police Department alleges the
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Speaker 1: girls were promised money in exchange for massages, and that
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Speaker 1: a female who recruited young teens for the tycoon allegedly
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Speaker 1: told one victim, the more you do, the more you
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Speaker 1: get paid. He just laid down in his towel on
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Speaker 1: his stomach and he was just talking to people on
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Speaker 1: the phone when he flipped flipped over. That's when he said, Okay,
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Speaker 1: you can go ahead and take off your shirt and pants.
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Speaker 1: The accounts include accusations from indecent exposure to inappropriate touching
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Speaker 1: to rate wow. Okay, And keep in mind Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: a multi multi millionaire with connections as high up as
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Speaker 1: Bill and Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and a frequent visitor
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Speaker 1: with Prince Andrew. It ain't over yet. You were just
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Speaker 1: hearing our friend at NBC. That was Stephanie Gossk reporting
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Speaker 1: the very latest. In the last hours, we now learned
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Speaker 1: that a teen girl is saying that Epstein arranged a
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Speaker 1: group a group sex encounter with her and Prince Andrew.
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Speaker 1: Andrew now being haunted over his ties with the disgraced
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Speaker 1: millionaire Jeffrey Epstein. Huge, huge, explosive documentary has just aired
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Speaker 1: in the UK, including claims about this let me just
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Speaker 1: say group sex encounter also known as an orgy. You know,
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Speaker 1: it just seems to never end with this guy with
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel judge, trial lawyer host at
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Speaker 1: Court TV, Ashley Wilcot dot com. Steve Lampley, detective author
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Speaker 1: of I Was the Girl about his time undercover. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Brian Russell, psychologist and lawyer, host of investigation discoveries. Hit
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Speaker 1: series Fatal Vows just renewed again right now. To crimal
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Speaker 1: Line dot com, investigative journalist Levi Paige Levi, it never
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Speaker 1: ends with Epstein. You know. We were just listening to
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Speaker 1: our friend at NBC, Stephanie Goss describing Palm Beach when
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Speaker 1: he was quote in jail down in Florida. He would
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Speaker 1: get day passes and be out of the jail twelve
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Speaker 1: seventeen hours and he would have a stream of young
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Speaker 1: girls coming in and out of his quote office and
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Speaker 1: then amazingly, now that we're investigating it, that visitor's log
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Speaker 1: has disappeared. Funny how that works, right? What's the latest?
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Speaker 1: As you mentioned Nancy, Prince Andrew, the son of Queen Elizabeth,
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Speaker 1: is accused by a woman by the name of Virginia
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Speaker 1: Guffrey of being an accomplice of Epstein involved in this
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking of women and children. And Guffrie claims that
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Speaker 1: she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew at
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Speaker 1: multiple estates of Jeffrey Epstein at least three times. She
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Speaker 1: worked at Donald Trump's marl Lago when she was a
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Speaker 1: teenager as a SPA attendant, and that is when she
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Speaker 1: claims that Epstein recruited her into his six sex trafficking schemes.
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Speaker 1: And Prince Andrew has denied these claims, but we do
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Speaker 1: know that there's a photo of him with his arm
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Speaker 1: around Guffrey at the estate that Epstein owned in the
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Speaker 1: US virgin Islands. Actually it was a private island that
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Speaker 1: he actually owned. But excuse me, you mean orgy Island?
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about? Okay, hold right there,
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Speaker 1: right there, because I gotta go to Cheryl McCollum on this.
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Speaker 1: Sheryl McCollum direct to the Coal Case Research Institute, and
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Speaker 1: I'll follow up with our other guests. How many cases
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Speaker 1: have we worked? I mean between us? Maybe literally when
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Speaker 1: I count up one hundred new cases every week on
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Speaker 1: the arrayment and playing and trial calendar, let's see a
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Speaker 1: month times Okay, that's four So that's four hundred a
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Speaker 1: month roughly times twelve months, a year times ten years.
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Speaker 1: That's me. So that's well up into the thousands and
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Speaker 1: thousands and thousands. And you, lord knows, you're still on it.
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Speaker 1: You know. Have you seen that picture? This is what
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Speaker 1: I'm coming to, in a roundabout way of Prince Andrew
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Speaker 1: with his arm around the ten girl. He looks guilty,
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Speaker 1: He looks guilty. I can't help but Brian Russell's gonna
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Speaker 1: have a fuel day with me after I'd say this,
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Speaker 1: but he looks like, oh, oh, you're taking my picture.
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Speaker 1: Fake smile. Here's the great thing about that photograph. For
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Speaker 1: being Nancy, a picture is worth a thousand words, and
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Speaker 1: it makes it impossible for him to ever say, hey,
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Speaker 1: I never met her. Of course you did. It's right
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Speaker 1: there on the Carol to Carl Money Cheryl. Can we
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Speaker 1: just enlighten everybody that doesn't already know this. Let's just
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Speaker 1: talk about a rape case. Okay. First of all, First
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Speaker 1: of all, here's the defense. It never happened. I don't
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Speaker 1: even know her. I've never even met her. Oh okay, Well,
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Speaker 1: here's some surveillance video of you guys walking along let's
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Speaker 1: just say, third Avenue together in New York. Oh okay,
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Speaker 1: I remember her because she walked up to me and
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Speaker 1: asked for directions, and I was just walking along the
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Speaker 1: street telling her directions. Oh well, guess what. We also
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Speaker 1: have surveillance video of you coming out of an apartment
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Speaker 1: where there was a party that night. You guys reportedly
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Speaker 1: left the party together. You were at the party together,
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Speaker 1: and you gave her a drink. Oh was she at
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Speaker 1: that party? That's the next defense. Yes, yes, okay, yes,
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Speaker 1: she was at the party, and I gave her a
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Speaker 1: walk home when she was asking direction. See how I
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Speaker 1: was adding to the story. Then the next thing is, well,
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Speaker 1: we also have a witness, a doorman that says you
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Speaker 1: came in her building that night. Was that her building? Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I came to the lobby, but I didn't go up.
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Speaker 1: I did not go well, the elevator surveillance shows you
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Speaker 1: on the elevator going up. You know what, I think
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Speaker 1: I did walk her to her door, and then it goes, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we didn't have sex. Okay, we did have sex, because
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Speaker 1: now my DNA is on her clothes and her body.
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Speaker 1: But oh, okay, we did have sex, but it was consensual,
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Speaker 1: and that's where the trial so we go through so
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Speaker 1: many permutations before we get to consensual sex. That's how
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Speaker 1: this is going to roll out, Cheryl, That's exactly how
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Speaker 1: it was going to roll out. That is the best
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Speaker 1: defense for rate that there is. It was consensual if
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Speaker 1: she's injured because she liked it rough, that's what they're
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Speaker 1: gonna say, no matter what, no matter what. To Ashley Wilcot, judge,
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer at Ashley Wilcot dot com and anchor at
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Speaker 1: Court TV. Ashley, you've seen it play out a million times. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it does play out a million times. And when there's smoke,
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Speaker 1: there's fire. And let's just say, with Epstein, there's been
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of that. But let me point this out.
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Speaker 1: Not only do I agree that the pictures were worth
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Speaker 1: a thousand words, Also, you have to keep in mind, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: they actually have obtained, allegedly medical records that do appear
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Speaker 1: to support her claims of abut. Now, I want to
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Speaker 1: go to you on that LEAVI page. What about medical
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Speaker 1: records in two thousand and one, Nancy, She says that
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Speaker 1: she went to the hospital and went through a medical
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Speaker 1: examination and that she had injuries to her vagina. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: well that prove it. How was that related in time
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Speaker 1: and space to the night that photo was taken with
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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew? Take a listen to this. Our friend at NBC,
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Speaker 1: Stephanie Goff. Virginia Roberts Jeffrey tells a similar story, which
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Speaker 1: she has described in court paperwork, of grooming and intimidation
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Speaker 1: at the hands of Epstein and his inner circle. She
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Speaker 1: says Epstein not only sexually abused her, but directed her
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Speaker 1: to have sex with other powerful men, including Britain's Prince Andrew.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey says she was seventeen when this photo was taken
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Speaker 1: with the Prince before she says he abused her, telling
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Speaker 1: Savannah he wasn't rude or anything about it. He said,
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Speaker 1: you know, thank you, and some kind of soft sentiments
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Speaker 1: like that. And left Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Buckingham
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Speaker 1: Palace tells NBC News in a statement, it is emphatically
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Speaker 1: denied that the Duke of York had any form of
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Speaker 1: sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts. Any claimed to
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Speaker 1: the contrary is false and without foundation. Prince Andrew has
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Speaker 1: repeatedly denied Jeffrey's allegations after Epstein's death, telling NBC News
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Speaker 1: at no stage during the limited time I spent with him,
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Speaker 1: did I see witness or suspect any behavior of the
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Speaker 1: sort that subsequently to his arrest and conviction. Okay, that's
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Speaker 1: from our friends at NBC. Okay, I'm ready, I'm braced.
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Speaker 1: I've got my shield, I've got on a helmet, and
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Speaker 1: I've got my sword because I'm unleashing. Doctor Brian Russell psychologists, lawyer,
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Speaker 1: host of investigation discoveries hit series Fatal Vows just renewed
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Speaker 1: again because everybody loves it so much, Doctor Brian Russell.
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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna give me h E double l first,
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Speaker 1: saying he looks guilty, But can I just throw this
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Speaker 1: one curveball at you before you tell me how? I
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Speaker 1: can't look at somebody until their line, which is totally possible.
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Speaker 1: Did you know, doctor Russell, that Jeffrey Epstein, the Prince
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Speaker 1: of preteen sex, Jeffrey Epstein, had not one, not two,
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Speaker 1: but thirteen different numbers for Prince Andrew. Now, I gotta
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Speaker 1: tell you something, doctor Brian Russell. If my husband came
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Speaker 1: home and I found a secret cell phone in his pocket,
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Speaker 1: his pocket, the cell phone, and I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: tell you what else would be burned in the front yard,
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Speaker 1: and I'd be stirring it with a stick. Okay, a
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Speaker 1: secret sell thirteen phone numbers. Okay, you want to tell
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Speaker 1: me there's not something hinky about that about having thirteen
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Speaker 1: phone numbers? Yes, for one person, Yes, that is hinky,
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Speaker 1: even for the Prince. And do we know that these
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Speaker 1: were all thirteen phone numbers that went to him? Or
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Speaker 1: is this you know, assistant number one's phone number and
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Speaker 1: driver number one's phone number, and driver number two and
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Speaker 1: assistant number three. I mean, all I know is that
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Speaker 1: this was revealed in a documentary titled The Prince and
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Speaker 1: the Pedophile that aired in the UK. A detailed address
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Speaker 1: book obtained by pis like Steve Lampley searching Epstein's home
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Speaker 1: shows that Epstein had thirteen different numbers for Prince Andrew,
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Speaker 1: covering several different ways for Epstein to get a hold
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Speaker 1: of him. That's not normal, doctor Russell. I think you
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Speaker 1: must be guilty to stop it. I'm changing, I'm changing
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Speaker 1: my story. He's got to be guilty. He's got a
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Speaker 1: bunch of cell phone numbers. Well, I have two for
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Speaker 1: you and one I think is old. Now you know
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Speaker 1: what I can see. You're not You are not going
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Speaker 1: to tell me what you really think about this, because
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Speaker 1: you're going on this crazy thing called rationality. Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 1: Thirteen numbers, got some burner phones. He doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: retrace back to him. It's pretty clear to me. We
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Speaker 1: also know that Epstein and Prince Andrew met at least
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Speaker 1: ten times between ninety eight and twenty ten. That's at
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Speaker 1: least we have no idea how many times influential men
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Speaker 1: such as Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, who knows who else
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Speaker 1: flew to Orgy Island because that was all by private jet.
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Speaker 1: And now to Steve Lampley, detective author of I Was
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Speaker 1: the Girl and That's about his time, is undercover posing
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Speaker 1: as a fourteen year old girl identifying online predators. Yes,
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Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, what does it say to you when a
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Speaker 1: man has thirteen different numbers so a millionaire pimp like
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein can reach him all loved up with a
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Speaker 1: teen girl? Answer the slutch and then all of this
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Speaker 1: so far as circumstantial, of course, but thirteen phone numbers
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Speaker 1: are really I mean, come on, I don't care who
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Speaker 1: they're too, I don't care if if they're to thirteen assistance,
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Speaker 1: Why does he need all thirteen phone numbers? Nancy that
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Speaker 1: that's crazy. And there's a lot of shuffling going on
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Speaker 1: in this case. All these victims, all these supposed suspects,
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Speaker 1: these people that say they were there, and nobody knows anything.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing. Then it's amazing how nobody knows a darn thing.
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Speaker 1: Friends interviewed in the documentary say that Andrew stayed with
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Speaker 1: Epstein many times, saw young girls in their entourage between
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Speaker 1: around sixteen. Many of them quote foreign, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what that means now. One journalist named Annette Witheredge staked
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Speaker 1: out Epstein's Manhattan home when Andrew visited him post prison,
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Speaker 1: post prison? What is a prince doing with a pedophile
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Speaker 1: that just got out of prison four under age sex,
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Speaker 1: which is a felony that was back in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and nine. And Annette Witherige, who staked it out and
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Speaker 1: has photos, said that there were girls girls, girls leaving
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Speaker 1: and entering Epstein's place while Andrew was there. The picture
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Speaker 1: becomes more and more bleak. Now we've been told Cheryl
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Speaker 1: McCollum that Andrew doesn't really drink alcohol too much, doesn't drug,
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Speaker 1: doesn't gamble, that his thing is pure, unbridled sex, which
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Speaker 1: is one of the reasons his marriage with Fergie didn't
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Speaker 1: work out. We are also learning that, according to hospital records,
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Speaker 1: Roberts the young the teen girl suffered vaginal bleeding for
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Speaker 1: quote weeks following encounters with epstein abusers. Now that was
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Speaker 1: not linked to any encounter with Prince Andrew. The bleeding.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of it, sharing, Kanthy, I usually
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Speaker 1: start a case very elementary, as you know, and so like,
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Speaker 1: if I build to a party with you and I'm
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Speaker 1: sitting with a majority of your buddies their attorneys, if
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting with my sister Charlene and her friends, the
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Speaker 1: majority of flight attendants and nurses. Bill Clinton was accused
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Speaker 1: of race. Epstein was accused of race. Prince Andrew is
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Speaker 1: obviously being accused of all types of sexual crimes leaving
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Speaker 1: victims injured that are all underage. So this to me,
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Speaker 1: birds of a feather, it's really true. It's the majority
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Speaker 1: of your friends smoke weed. You smoke weeds. I mean,
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Speaker 1: your grandmama was right about this one. So if you
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Speaker 1: look at that inner circle, they are sexual predators. What
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Speaker 1: do you mean my grandmother was right? I mean she
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Speaker 1: was right about everything except that she did say my
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Speaker 1: uterus is going to fall out on BEVN drive if
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Speaker 1: I didn't quit jogging. That never happened. Okay, but there
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Speaker 1: were many times I thought it could happen because she
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Speaker 1: had me so gared. Thank you, mama for putting that
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Speaker 1: in my head. And I'd like to point out that
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Speaker 1: I opened up a chapter in my new book coming
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Speaker 1: out in February, don't be a victim with her profet
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Speaker 1: at words, yours was gonna fall out? But what what
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Speaker 1: did she say that it's now coming true? Which three?
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Speaker 1: Who oh yes? Is who you really are? So that's
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Speaker 1: seen what hanging out with preachers? He was hanging out
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Speaker 1: with predators. Okay, you're bringing back a memory of all
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Speaker 1: the closing arguments when I would bring on dopers and
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Speaker 1: hookers and whoever as witnesses, and I would tell the
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Speaker 1: jury right up front, who do you think the defendant
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Speaker 1: is hanging out with nuns and priests and virgins. No,
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Speaker 1: he's hanging out with this botch. And that's why they're
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Speaker 1: witnesses in this case. I guess I better quit hanging
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Speaker 1: out with you and Ashley and Jackie Howard. Hey, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at NBC these day. Silent,
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Speaker 1: You're like, I'm just not going to say anything because
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Speaker 1: that's what he told me to do. I didn't want
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Speaker 1: to say that I'd been part of something that I
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Speaker 1: felt shame. Six women speaking out to Savannah saying they
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Speaker 1: were all sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein. By the time
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Speaker 1: I was being raped, it was too late and no
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Speaker 1: good day. Georgio now sharing her story for the first
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Speaker 1: time on television. She was a teenage model from a
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Speaker 1: well off family in London when she says she met
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Speaker 1: the wealthy financier. I was involved in that kind of
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Speaker 1: lifestyle growing up, and so I thought I could cope
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Speaker 1: and I thought I could handle it. She says. The
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Speaker 1: abuse lasted several years. When Jeffrey would see me, he
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Speaker 1: would physically shake because he wanted to get at me.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace then underage girls say they
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Speaker 1: were lured by the cash. My mother was on drugs
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Speaker 1: at the time and she could have provide for me,
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Speaker 1: and I was pretty much homeless. Former Palm Beach Police
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Speaker 1: Chief Michael Riders as many of the girls didn't know
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Speaker 1: each other but had the same story. We believe that
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Speaker 1: this would end up in a prosecution that would incarcerat
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Speaker 1: mister Epstein for the remainder of his life. Federal prosecutors
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Speaker 1: even had a fifty three page indictment ready to go,
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Speaker 1: according to a court filing. But Epstein, a hedge fund
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Speaker 1: manager who famously piled around with Donald Trump, Bill Clinton,
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Speaker 1: and Prince Andrew, never faced those serious charges. Instead, a
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Speaker 1: plea deal was struck. He pleaded guilty to two counts
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Speaker 1: related to solicitation of prostitution and only served thirteen months
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Speaker 1: in a county jail. Wow, you're hearing our friends at NBC.
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Speaker 1: That was Stephanie Gosk two counts of solicitation and leave
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Speaker 1: ipage crime online dot Com investigator reporter How long did
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Speaker 1: he do thirteen months, thirteen months in Florida, and that
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Speaker 1: actually led to the resignation for the Secretary of Labor,
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Speaker 1: who was the prosecutor that oversaw the plea deal. He
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Speaker 1: worked in the Trump administration. Yes, and that was uncovered
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Speaker 1: by the Miami Herald. Great investigative journalism on their part. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's amazing and a sad note when the press, the
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Speaker 1: papers have to do the work for law enforcement. And
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Speaker 1: it was during those thirteen months in a Florida jailhouse
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Speaker 1: that he would get unfettered freedom. He would leave in
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Speaker 1: a chauffeured car in the morning and go to his
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Speaker 1: Quote office and stay there till the evening. And during
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Speaker 1: that time at his Quote office there would be a
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Speaker 1: string a parade, young girls in and out, in and
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Speaker 1: out of his office. Take a listen. Speaking of that
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Speaker 1: to Stephanie, he arranged it so that he got work release,
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Speaker 1: which meant that he had a valet, a driver that
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Speaker 1: he hired pick him up at the jail every day
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Speaker 1: and essentially drive him to an office. The former US
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Speaker 1: attorney who approved the deal, Alexander Acosta, is now President
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Speaker 1: Trump's Secretary of Labor and a possible pick for Attorney General.
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Speaker 1: A Labor Department spokesperson tells NBC News that the US
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Speaker 1: Attorney's Office defended the deal across three administrations, and pointed
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Speaker 1: out that Secretary Acosta was asked about the plea deal
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Speaker 1: during his confirmation hearing last year. Professionals within a prosecutor's
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Speaker 1: office to side, that's a plea that guarantees that someone
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Speaker 1: goes to jail, that guarantees that someone registered generally, and
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Speaker 1: that guarantees other outcomes is a good thing. The former
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach police chief disagrees. I think almost the entire
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Speaker 1: system failed. There. Don't worry. Acosta stepped down, and there
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Speaker 1: is no way he's going to be the US Attorney General.
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Speaker 1: That ain't gonna happen. Now, how did Epstein get this
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Speaker 1: far with neither him nor his cohorts really doing hard
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Speaker 1: jail time? Listen? The two thousand and eight agreement protects
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Speaker 1: Epstein and anyone who worked with him from federal charges.
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Speaker 1: He is a registered sex offender, but can travel freely
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Speaker 1: to homes in New York, Florida, and the Caribbean. Alleged
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Speaker 1: victims are now fighting to get Epstein's deal thrown out.
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Speaker 1: Emboldened by the Me Too movement. They want their stories heard.
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Speaker 1: Just such shocking allegations in the fact that even when
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Speaker 1: he was in prison he was free to go. But
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Speaker 1: now we're wondering, like this he had anything to say
24:04
Speaker 1: about all this, He has been silent. Guys. This is
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Speaker 1: how it worked to Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer anchor
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Speaker 1: at Court TV and you can find her at Ashley
24:13
Speaker 1: Wilcot dot com. Ashley, as I understand it, and as
24:17
Speaker 1: very very complicated as you might expect with all these
24:20
Speaker 1: influential men involved or allegedly involved, is that the plea
24:26
Speaker 1: deal was really kind of under the table. The victims
24:30
Speaker 1: knew nothing about the deal going down, and it essentially
24:35
Speaker 1: gave Epstein complete freedom and in the future under the deal,
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Speaker 1: Epstein or any of his coworkers or cohorts could ever
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Speaker 1: be prosecuted. That was the deal, and that's what's ridiculous
24:46
Speaker 1: and a travesty. That's not how our justice system is
24:49
Speaker 1: supposed to work. As you well know, Nancy, the victims
24:52
Speaker 1: their rights, they have got to be taken into account.
24:55
Speaker 1: They should be well aware of what the state is
24:58
Speaker 1: thinking or how they're choosing to proceed with the defendant.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Second of all, it shouldn't be under
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Speaker 1: the table, and third of all, it should absolutely have
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with your wealth, or your power or
25:08
Speaker 1: your position. And in this case, that's all it was about.
25:11
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with the name Gelayne Maxwell,
25:15
Speaker 1: but Gelayne Maxwell basically served as Epstein's pimp. According to reports,
25:23
Speaker 1: Epstein and his associate, Gelayne Maxwell got privileged access all
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Speaker 1: the way to Sandringham, the royal residence in Norfolk, England,
25:35
Speaker 1: as well as an invitation to Queen Elizabeth's Dance of
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Speaker 1: the Decades party. Now, she, Jelayne Maxwell, was a socialite.
25:44
Speaker 1: She was the daughter of a press media baron, Robert Maxwell.
25:50
Speaker 1: Epstein was relatively unknown to the British press at that time.
25:54
Speaker 1: That was all the way back before two thousand, but
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Speaker 1: she got him connect. Where is Jeffrey Epstein's former girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: She's vanished following allegations that she recruited underage girls for
26:08
Speaker 1: Epstein's sex trafficking network. Gawaine Maxwell, who has denied any wrongdoing,
26:14
Speaker 1: lived in this five story townhouse on Manhattan's Tony East Side.
26:18
Speaker 1: It's less than a ten minute walk from Epstein's palatial mansion,
26:22
Speaker 1: but she sold the home for fifteen million dollars after
26:25
Speaker 1: she got caught up in the Epstein case and moved
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Speaker 1: to London. So where is she now? Nobody knows, but
26:31
Speaker 1: she's believed to be somewhere in Europe. She was in
26:35
Speaker 1: London for a while and in Paris, but recently she
26:40
Speaker 1: hasn't been seen in either country. If I were to
26:44
Speaker 1: take a guess, I would guess that she is in
26:48
Speaker 1: Russia because it is a country that could not extradite
26:51
Speaker 1: her to the United States. Maxwell was once at the
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Speaker 1: pinnacle of the social scene in New York City. She
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Speaker 1: was with Epstein, Donald Trump, and Milania at this party
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Speaker 1: at Marlago in two thousand. That's her hovering in the
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Speaker 1: background in this notorious video as Trump and Epstein crack
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Speaker 1: each other up. At another Marlago bash, in twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 1: she was spotted with entrepreneur Elon Musk at the Vanity
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Speaker 1: Fair Oscar party. Wow you're hearing our friends at Inside Edition.
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Speaker 1: The latest I've heard to Leavi page Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: com investigative journalist is that she was at a resort
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Speaker 1: in Brazil. But I don't know where's Jalanne Maxwell could
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Speaker 1: be right now. But I do know this. According to
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Speaker 1: all those young girls, she was the one that would
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Speaker 1: recruit them. Levi, you are correct. And the last woman
27:39
Speaker 1: that we're talking about, Virginia Guthrie. She claims that Jolayne
27:43
Speaker 1: Maxwell was the one that told at her home in London.
27:47
Speaker 1: So she has connected in a lot of these cases
27:50
Speaker 1: that we keep hearing about. Take a listen to our
27:53
Speaker 1: friend Holly Williams at CBS. Elaine Maxwell grew up the
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Speaker 1: daughter of a wealthy British media tycoon and studied at
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Speaker 1: prestigious Oxford University before becoming a close associate of Jeffrey Epstein.
28:05
Speaker 1: Her current whereabouts are unknown. Documents unsealed on Friday contain
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Speaker 1: allegations that Gillaine Maxwell played a quote important role in
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's sexual abuse ring, directing an underage girl to
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Speaker 1: have sex with Epstein and others. Maxwell strenuously denies those allegations.
28:26
Speaker 1: Jack Scarola is an attorney who's represented several alleged victims
28:30
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein. There are multiple victims who claim that
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Speaker 1: Jessye Maxwell was a personal participant in recruiting them for
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, and there are allegations that miss Maxwell was
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Speaker 1: an active participant in the sexual abuse straight out to
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert, director of the Call Case Research Institute,
28:58
Speaker 1: how can we bring Julayne Maxwell to justice? I think
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Speaker 1: finding more and more beginnings is going to be important,
29:05
Speaker 1: and tracking her down, which is going to be the
29:08
Speaker 1: hard part, and then extraditing her. But Nancy, let's sing
29:11
Speaker 1: some simple math like you did earlier. Jeffrey Epstein was
29:15
Speaker 1: sixty six when he died. Let's just say at fourteen
29:20
Speaker 1: or sixteen years old is when he started, you know,
29:24
Speaker 1: inappropriately touching, grabbing, groping whatever, females. That's forty six years
29:32
Speaker 1: he had to harm people. Now we're only looking at
29:36
Speaker 1: when he got to the level that he was not
29:40
Speaker 1: trying to hide it. He was thrown parties, he was recruiting.
29:45
Speaker 1: So if you take one victim a month, that's over
29:49
Speaker 1: five hundred crime stories. With Nancy Grace trying to figure
30:06
Speaker 1: out why somebody liked Jelene Maxwell would have anything to
30:10
Speaker 1: do with Epstein, a millionaire pedophile. We know that she
30:16
Speaker 1: was born in Mason Lafitte, France, the youngest child of
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Speaker 1: a media tycoon Robert Maxwell. She moved to New York
30:26
Speaker 1: after her father's death and socialized with rich and famous people.
30:32
Speaker 1: In the nineties, she started a relationship with Epstein and
30:36
Speaker 1: stayed close, extremely close to him for decades after that.
30:41
Speaker 1: She has now been accused of being a pimp for
30:44
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. And this is according to US court documents.
30:48
Speaker 1: I'm talking about two thousand pages of a lawsuit that
30:53
Speaker 1: were released in a defamation case involving Virginia Roberts Guthrie,
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Speaker 1: who claimed that Epstein set her up to sleep with
31:03
Speaker 1: Angilne Maxwell with Prince Andrew. Another court document describes an
31:08
Speaker 1: alleged sex encounter between an underage girl and Prince Andrew
31:15
Speaker 1: and a bathtub. I mean it goes on and on.
31:19
Speaker 1: Did this woman, Jelayne Maxwell act as a pump for Epstein?
31:26
Speaker 1: To Dr Brian Russell's psychologist lawyer host of investigation discoveries
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Speaker 1: hit series Fatal Vows, Brian, why would someone like Gilne
31:36
Speaker 1: Maxwell get tangled up with Epstein? He's a pedophile? First,
31:40
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure we just get the terminology right.
31:42
Speaker 1: I don't think he was a pedophile. Pedophile is sexual
31:46
Speaker 1: attraction to prepubescent kids, sexual attraction to somebody who's gone
31:53
Speaker 1: through puberty, even if they're under the legal age of consent,
31:56
Speaker 1: is not pedophilia, Just to for anybody who's interested. You know,
32:02
Speaker 1: why would Gilain Maxwell be involved, Well, we don't know
32:06
Speaker 1: if she was involved. If she was involved, yeah, it's
32:10
Speaker 1: very bizarre because you know, she didn't have any need
32:14
Speaker 1: for Epstein's money or anything. She had her own money,
32:18
Speaker 1: and she had her own She was a socialite in
32:21
Speaker 1: her own right. She didn't need him to travel in
32:23
Speaker 1: the high dollars circles. So, you know, other than some
32:28
Speaker 1: kind of fetish that she had herself for young girls,
32:33
Speaker 1: as hard to imagine what the motivation would have been
32:36
Speaker 1: if she was involved in all this. You know, I
32:39
Speaker 1: listened to all this, and I just think I'm as
32:42
Speaker 1: tough on crime as anybody is. But when you have
32:46
Speaker 1: these allegations that are decades old, you know, I just
32:50
Speaker 1: sometimes think, gosh, am I the only one here who's
32:53
Speaker 1: concerned about reasonable doubt and the presumption of innocence of
32:58
Speaker 1: these people. You know, Okay, hold on just a moment,
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Speaker 1: doctor Russell. These are not accusations. He pled guilty to this.
33:06
Speaker 1: He pled guilty in a court of law for soliciting women,
33:14
Speaker 1: young girls that were teens. These are not didn't he did,
33:22
Speaker 1: And I mean we're talking about witnesses recruited the young girls,
33:30
Speaker 1: even documenting and two thousand pages of court documents what
33:36
Speaker 1: Jilayne Maxwell said to them in order to get them
33:40
Speaker 1: to engage in sex with Epstein and his friends. Levi Page,
33:45
Speaker 1: Let's try to help doctor Brian Russell with his concerns.
33:50
Speaker 1: What do we know about Gilayne Maxwell's part in Epstein's
33:55
Speaker 1: pedophile pimp scheme? Under the law, pedophile means when an
34:03
Speaker 1: adult has sex with or is a tract to two
34:07
Speaker 1: sexually a minor. Many of the alleged victims, Nancy would
34:12
Speaker 1: say that Jolyne Maxwell would recruit them to have sex
34:16
Speaker 1: with Epstein, and once they did that, she would then
34:20
Speaker 1: recruit them and direct them to have sex with his
34:22
Speaker 1: powerful friends. And she would tell them just do what
34:25
Speaker 1: you do to Jeffrey. That's what they are alleging. That
34:29
Speaker 1: she was sort of the middleman, that she was his
34:33
Speaker 1: like basically employer in this sex scheme. That's all alleged,
34:38
Speaker 1: but don't you think it's very suspicious? Nancy, then instead
34:40
Speaker 1: of answering to these allegations, trying to clear her name,
34:44
Speaker 1: that she's gone, she can't be found. She left to
34:46
Speaker 1: ask she willcott judge and trial lawyer, court TV anchor,
34:50
Speaker 1: why in Ashley, you know, presumption of innocence. I'm all
34:54
Speaker 1: for it, but again I'm going to stand by my statement.
34:56
Speaker 1: When they're smoke, there's fire. And the thing that disturbs
34:59
Speaker 1: me the most about this case is the way in
35:02
Speaker 1: which the prosecutor, starting with Epstein, really we're hiding the
35:06
Speaker 1: ball from the public, from the victims, from everyone. And
35:10
Speaker 1: when you start that way, all it does is snowball
35:15
Speaker 1: into a big mess of the case where while you
35:18
Speaker 1: have the presumption of innocence, most likely they're involved at
35:22
Speaker 1: some level in this criminal activity. We are talking about
35:24
Speaker 1: the whereabouts of Jeffrey Epsteins allegend, madam, his pimp so
35:31
Speaker 1: to speak. Jelaye Maxwell to Steve Lampley, detective author of
35:39
Speaker 1: I was the Girl at Steve Lampley dot com. Steve,
35:42
Speaker 1: help me figure out how she can be located and
35:46
Speaker 1: brought back. But she can't be brought back brought back
35:48
Speaker 1: until there are formal charges against her. Ryl said, it's
35:51
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. You got to locate her she could
35:53
Speaker 1: be like we're in the world is common santhianco who
35:57
Speaker 1: knows we'll have to locate her and if possible, bring
36:03
Speaker 1: her back and maybe even place her. And I sort
36:07
Speaker 1: of reserve, sort of hesitate to even say this. My
36:11
Speaker 1: concern give Epstein's demise is somewhat for her, concern for
36:19
Speaker 1: her safety, and I would say, maybe bring her back
36:22
Speaker 1: under protective custody. But given the fact that we couldn't
36:26
Speaker 1: keep Jeffrey Epstein's safe, I don't know that we could
36:29
Speaker 1: keep her safe. But we're gonna have to find her somewhere.
36:32
Speaker 1: What we are looking at our claims by multiple then
36:37
Speaker 1: young girls now grown women who say they were recruited
36:40
Speaker 1: as an underage hooker for Jeffrey Epstein and traffic to
36:46
Speaker 1: other powerful men in his orbit. We also learned that,
36:52
Speaker 1: according to these victims, they say that Jelne Maxwell trained
36:56
Speaker 1: them to find the quote youngest looking girl roles for Epstein,
37:02
Speaker 1: and as Levi Page pointed out earlier, the one man
37:08
Speaker 1: witness that we're hearing the most from is Virginia Roberts Guthrie.
37:12
Speaker 1: Guffrey says that she was working at Trump samiralago when
37:15
Speaker 1: she meets Epstein so explain to me exactly what the
37:19
Speaker 1: claims are LEVI page against Julyne Maxwell. She's accused of
37:24
Speaker 1: being his basically recruiter. She would go and find women
37:30
Speaker 1: that she thought that Jeffrey Epstein allegedly would be attracted to,
37:34
Speaker 1: and she would introduce them to Jeffrey Epstein. A lot
37:37
Speaker 1: of this started off as massages. They were being paid
37:40
Speaker 1: to give him a massage, and then that's when the
37:42
Speaker 1: sexual abuse happened. They also alleged that she would then
37:46
Speaker 1: introduce them, these young women to Jeffrey Epstein's powerful friends,
37:51
Speaker 1: such as allegedly Prince Andrew, and that they were abused
37:56
Speaker 1: by his powerful friends as well. So it's not just
37:59
Speaker 1: Jeffrey app it's other men. That she was helping these women,
38:05
Speaker 1: if you can call it, helping get introduced to so
38:07
Speaker 1: they could be sexually abused. It's sick allegations. Well also
38:11
Speaker 1: to you, Cheryl McCollum, and I don't know how we
38:13
Speaker 1: would be able to prove this if possible. The victim
38:17
Speaker 1: says that Jelayne Maxwell ordered her to perform sex sex
38:22
Speaker 1: on Epstein during their very first meeting, promising that they
38:26
Speaker 1: would help her become a real massuse and get a
38:31
Speaker 1: quote normal life. But she Virginia says that soon she
38:37
Speaker 1: realized life revolved around the abuse, and then Maxwell trained
38:43
Speaker 1: her to recruit new girls for Epstein with the order
38:48
Speaker 1: that the younger the better. Quote. You have to always
38:52
Speaker 1: go for the youngest looking ones. That is what she says.
38:55
Speaker 1: Elayne Maxwell told her if this was my case, Nancy,
38:59
Speaker 1: I would start electronically. I would go through his computer,
39:03
Speaker 1: through every phone that he was ever associated with that
39:06
Speaker 1: we could locate what the text messages said, what the
39:10
Speaker 1: email said. Again, this was not a man that was
39:14
Speaker 1: hiding what he wanted. He was very clear. He said,
39:20
Speaker 1: you know, messages about it. He had pornography of underaged
39:24
Speaker 1: girls on his computer when they went through it. There's
39:27
Speaker 1: other evidence there. He kept a detailed book. Who keeps
39:32
Speaker 1: an address book anymore? But he did so. Not only
39:35
Speaker 1: did he keep it, he kept every thirteen phone number
39:38
Speaker 1: from Prince Andrew. So again this is very clear to
39:42
Speaker 1: me that he gave us a roadmap. They've just got
39:45
Speaker 1: to go find it. Back to doctor Brian Russell Investigation
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Speaker 1: Discoveries fatal vows, who was concerned about reasonable doubt and
39:55
Speaker 1: the possible innocence of Jilane Maxwell. What convince to me
40:00
Speaker 1: is not just the Virginia Guffries, but that many of
40:07
Speaker 1: Epstein's accusers separately alleged j Elaine Maxwell served as Epstein's
40:13
Speaker 1: madam to lure them into its operation. She of course,
40:17
Speaker 1: has denied all the allegations. She has not yet been
40:20
Speaker 1: charged with a crime. But how can you how can
40:25
Speaker 1: you insist on her innocence when you have multiple young
40:31
Speaker 1: girls separated in time and space pointing to her as
40:36
Speaker 1: his recruiter. I don't insist on her innocence or Prince Andrews.
40:42
Speaker 1: What I insist on is that I understand as a
40:46
Speaker 1: psychologist there are many reasons why people who actually are
40:51
Speaker 1: sexually abused, they actually are victims of sex crimes, don't
40:55
Speaker 1: come right out right away and report it. I understand that.
40:58
Speaker 1: But if you're going to do that as a victim,
41:01
Speaker 1: what you have to understand is if you're gonna wait
41:04
Speaker 1: twenty years to come forward, then you might not get
41:08
Speaker 1: justice because the chances are very high that after twenty
41:11
Speaker 1: years there's gonna be reasonable doubt because you're gonna say,
41:16
Speaker 1: just let's use, for example, a different scenario, the Weinstein scenario.
41:21
Speaker 1: Somebody says twenty years ago, I went to Weinstein's office
41:25
Speaker 1: to talk about being in a movie, and he raped
41:29
Speaker 1: me there, and now I want justice about it. And
41:32
Speaker 1: Weinstein says, twenty years ago, she came to my office
41:35
Speaker 1: to talk about being in a movie. We had consensual sex.
41:38
Speaker 1: I didn't put her in the movie, and now she's
41:41
Speaker 1: saying I raped her there. I don't know how a
41:43
Speaker 1: juror goes into court and listens to those two stories
41:46
Speaker 1: and comes out and goes, I am one hundred percent
41:49
Speaker 1: sure it went down the way that the woman said.
41:54
Speaker 1: So it happens. That happens when you have corroborating evidence,
41:58
Speaker 1: such as telling what we call an outcry witness, a friend,
42:05
Speaker 1: a parent, a boyfriend at the time what happened. When
42:10
Speaker 1: you can look at support for the moment, for instance,
42:15
Speaker 1: a date book, something on someone's iPhone showing that the
42:22
Speaker 1: appointment occurred. When you can corroborate that an attendant, a
42:27
Speaker 1: receptionists led the woman in there and then left her,
42:31
Speaker 1: there are many many ways to corroborate a case like that,
42:35
Speaker 1: especially with similar transactions when you have fifteen twenty thirty
42:40
Speaker 1: women all claiming much as in like Bill Cosby, none
42:44
Speaker 1: of them knowing each other, all claiming the same type
42:47
Speaker 1: of scenario. I mean, in my mind, at least one
42:50
Speaker 1: of those stories has got to be true, just rationally speaking.
42:54
Speaker 1: And I want to go to you, Ashley Wilcott, judge
42:57
Speaker 1: and trial lawyer. The reality is is that these women
43:02
Speaker 1: are all claiming the same thing. But doctor Brian Russell
43:06
Speaker 1: brings up the point that why didn't they say something
43:09
Speaker 1: at the time. Well, maybe because they were underage teen
43:11
Speaker 1: girls and with no education, a low socioeconomic standing, and
43:17
Speaker 1: they were going up I guess a multi millionaire and
43:20
Speaker 1: very powerful people all of those things. So first of all,
43:23
Speaker 1: there's a pattern, like you already pointed out, Nancy, in
43:26
Speaker 1: terms of what they're saying happen and occurred. That's significant.
43:29
Speaker 1: Number two. Statistically, often victims of any type of sexual
43:33
Speaker 1: assault or sexual crime, or sex grooming or sex trafficking
43:36
Speaker 1: do not disclose right at the time and say, oh,
43:39
Speaker 1: by the way, this is what happened to me. For
43:41
Speaker 1: all the reasons you just raised, and the shame and
43:43
Speaker 1: the guilt and the embarrassment and the eighteen year old
43:46
Speaker 1: not fully developed brain, which we know scientifically to be true.
43:50
Speaker 1: Often they disclose down the road. Not at the time.
43:53
Speaker 1: That's not unusual. We wait as justice unfalse Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: crime story, signing off goodbye friend,