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Colin Cowherd Podcast - NFL Draft Reaction: Rams-Ty Simpson, Cowboys-Caleb Downs, Giants & Jets Smart · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: about halfway through the first round. Let's talk. Ty Simpson
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  Speaker 1: to the Rams at thirteen surprising to a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Todd McShay came on my show this week
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  Speaker 1: and said, there's a lot of talk, and I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when you're as good as the Rams, what were their needs?
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  Speaker 1: Corner addressed it with Trent McDuffie, probably another receiver, although
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  Speaker 1: you know Jordan Whittingham they got from Texas out of
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  Speaker 1: the sixth round, the kid they got out of Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 1: in the seventh round last year can play pooka. Devonte Adams.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not shocked by it because I think steps In
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  Speaker 1: Bennett wasn't gonna work. Garoppolo wants to retire. When I
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  Speaker 1: saw Garoppolo thinking of retiring, that felt like in the
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  Speaker 1: building the Rams were showing some affection for going after
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback. I guess I'm not shocked by it, or you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you look at McVeigh at the owners meetings,
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  Speaker 2: he was begging Kirk Cousins to sign with their team.
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  Speaker 2: You know, then Jimmy Garoppolo, I googled it the other day,
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  Speaker 2: has made one hundred and sixty million dollars, so four
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  Speaker 2: or five million dollars to be the backup financially, he
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  Speaker 2: does not need the money, you know, so clearly if
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  Speaker 2: he walks away and listen, Jimmy, he's been a show
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  Speaker 2: of himself for years. I'm shocked he's a one year starter.
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  Speaker 2: He got banged up at the end of the year.
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  Speaker 2: He's not This isn't a guy with crazy traits, right,
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  Speaker 2: He's not a great athlete. He's smaller, he has not
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  Speaker 2: proven to be durable. Was I had you on the
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  Speaker 2: background today and Klatt was talking about the stats of
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  Speaker 2: starting quarterbacks to be successful in the NFL, the starts
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  Speaker 2: that they have made in college and the overwhelming majority
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  Speaker 2: of them that have had success super Bowl runs. Might
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  Speaker 2: even just say, like pro Bowl level guys have been
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  Speaker 2: multi year starters to get the reps, you know, in
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  Speaker 2: college at a certain amount of pass at attempts. Now,
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  Speaker 2: maybe if we had to bore with a couple of cocktails,
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  Speaker 2: he'd say, listen, I would have gone with Ty Simpson
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  Speaker 2: last year, but Jalen had just he was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: ties more my type quarterback. But Jalen had just led
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  Speaker 2: Sab into the playoffs. I didn't have a choice. And
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  Speaker 2: maybe there's some truth to that. But when when your
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  Speaker 2: comps are Brock Perdy in those type players, which makes
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  Speaker 2: sense for McVeigh who's been around those like they historically
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  Speaker 2: those guys like quarterback. They've won a lot of games
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  Speaker 2: with Matt shab and Kirk Cousins. But you don't take
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  Speaker 2: that guy thirteenth overall, Colin I was all for. I've
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  Speaker 2: been saying, yeah, you're not gonna draft up here again, right, Hell,
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  Speaker 2: they trade first round picks like they're going out of style. Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: If you are going to do a red shirt player,
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  Speaker 2: go with an offensive lineman that the Georgia, the Georgia attack,
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  Speaker 2: Go with someone that. Okay, you don't have as much
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  Speaker 2: Hell the guard, right, even if you just get an
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  Speaker 2: other offensive lineman, you're gonna figure out the quarterback position.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that part of McVeigh his power?
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  Speaker 1: Ultimately?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Baltimore with the very next pick, took the second best
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  Speaker 1: interior oldlignment in the draft, the kid from Penn State.
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  Speaker 1: So the pick, which doesn't surprise you because Baltimore is
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  Speaker 1: often built from the interior line. You know, Linderbaum the center.
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  Speaker 1: So the Ravens picked the play. Now, the Rams are
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  Speaker 1: very good guard center guard, right tackles a concern. I
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  Speaker 1: thought they would go out and get freeling from Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: I guess my take is this McVeigh made Baker fate.
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  Speaker 1: McVeigh made Baker Mayfield work in one practice. Jared Goff
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  Speaker 1: was a bust, made him a star. Nobody thought Stafford would.
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  Speaker 1: I mean last year Stafford was arguably the best player
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  Speaker 1: in the league. Yeah, And my take is McVeigh is saying, guys,
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  Speaker 1: we're not playing in for two years. We're doing what
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  Speaker 1: the Packers do. This guy's going to figure out instead
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  Speaker 1: of staying in college, he's going to get better coaching.
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  Speaker 1: We're not playing in for two years, and we don't
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  Speaker 1: want to get into because the Rams are going to
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  Speaker 1: be drafting thirtieth, thirty first or thirty second next year,
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  Speaker 1: and I think they're thinking, is, well, how many picks
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  Speaker 1: do we have to give up to get to the
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  Speaker 1: number six spot for a quarterback? I mean, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: if Stafford's healthy, they're drafting at the bottom around one
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  Speaker 1: next year. And I think they look at it and think,
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  Speaker 1: is Ky Simpson he may be middle of the pack
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  Speaker 1: of the top seven quarterbacks next year in their eyes,
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  Speaker 1: But I think they look at him like Green Bay
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  Speaker 1: looked at Jordan Love. We don't think he's good now.
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  Speaker 1: We think in three years he could be excellent.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the thing, you know, using that logic, which
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  Speaker 2: is what they're going to do, obviously he's not going
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  Speaker 2: to start, and if Jimmy retires, he will just be
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  Speaker 2: the backup. In a perfect world, if Stafford can stay
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  Speaker 2: erect and not get injured, which is always a question mark, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's older, he's taking a lot of hits.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, hell, even last year I heard McVeigh saying
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people thought we were lying about the
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  Speaker 2: back injury. It was not a lie. Stafford was in shambles,
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  Speaker 2: so you never know there, which I okay, you gotta
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  Speaker 2: have a backup quarterback. But this is a guy that
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  Speaker 2: just hasn't played a lot of football, So okay, you're
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  Speaker 2: red shirting him, or let's say Stafford plays two more
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  Speaker 2: years because this year he's healthy, and it's like, right, well,
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  Speaker 2: you're making forty five fifty million dollars, you're on a
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  Speaker 2: great team, you don't need to retire. And he's in
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  Speaker 2: a place where him and his family clearly like how's
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  Speaker 2: this guy getting any better. I mean these practices in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL, and I understand the coaching. Mcveigh's as good
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  Speaker 2: as the Cats, but you're not getting any reps. Colin.
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  Speaker 1: I think you are getting reps with Stafford. I think
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  Speaker 1: Stafford last year. Yeah, I mean, first of all, you're
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  Speaker 1: getting every snap in the preseason. You're gonna get him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean last year. Stafford is going to show up
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  Speaker 1: late the camp. I mean he did last year. So
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  Speaker 1: my take is Stafford is one of the few guys
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  Speaker 1: He's not like Brady obsessed. He doesn't need every snap. Secondly,
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  Speaker 1: McVeagh was very like when when Andrew Whitworth got older.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he wasn't wearing pads all year until games
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  Speaker 1: until te.
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  Speaker 2: Leads doesn't practice. Older players don't practice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So my take is I don't think Ty Simpson
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  Speaker 1: works for thirty teams in the league. But if you
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  Speaker 1: told me the Rams, I'm like, sit for two years,
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  Speaker 1: do they listen? Green Bay has proven they know how
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  Speaker 1: to do this quarterback thing. And I do think Les
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  Speaker 1: Snead has excellent connections in southern football. I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you go look at some of the guys they've drafted,
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  Speaker 1: they they don't miss a lot on their draft picks.
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  Speaker 1: I think so much of what the Rams did is
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  Speaker 1: based on how good they think they're going to be
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  Speaker 1: next year, and they don't want to have to give
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  Speaker 1: up seven picks to move up next year. So now
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  Speaker 1: we also.
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  Speaker 2: See here, can I just before we finish this, I
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  Speaker 2: view the draft, you know, being around how he's like
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  Speaker 2: an economic exercise and to me, a quarterback, if you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna take, it's going to fall under, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: cousin some of these comps. These guys went in the third,
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  Speaker 2: the fourth, it's pretty the seventh round. We have seen
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  Speaker 2: guys physical limitations, Kenny Pickett. Now let's even say this
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  Speaker 2: guy's better obviously ideally better for the Rams sake than
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett and Mac Jones. Those guys. We've paid a
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  Speaker 2: million dollars for a five hundred thousand dollars house, and
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  Speaker 2: I think in an economic exercise and I get it.
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  Speaker 2: Like once he's invited to the to the draft, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people speculated there's more than one team interested.
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  Speaker 2: The NFL is just not randomly doing this. So the
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  Speaker 2: Rams probably weren't alone in liking this guy. But there
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  Speaker 2: are a lot of question marks, and I understand the
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  Speaker 2: world's changed since the parcels, the three year starter, the graduation,
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  Speaker 2: the reps. I do believe that matters a quarterback. When
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  Speaker 2: you look at all the top quarterbacks in the league,
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  Speaker 2: from Patrick to Lamar to even Josh Allen. Even Rogers
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  Speaker 2: was a multi year starter of junior college. Then multip
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  Speaker 2: you know, you get a lot of rep This guy
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  Speaker 2: just hasn't played, and there's just so much unknown at
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  Speaker 2: the importance of this position. Like at wide receiver the
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  Speaker 2: Saints Jordan Tyson, it's like, okay, we could mold this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Wide receiver's different. A lot of guys can rep in
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  Speaker 2: and out. You know, quarterback, it's just a risk. I
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  Speaker 2: agree with what lesnie. Their history of drafting's pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything question marks off the field,
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  Speaker 2: Like so you feel good about the person, but pretty
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  Speaker 2: risk pretty risky, that's all, you know. For a team
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  Speaker 2: that never drafts this side, hell, that never has first
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  Speaker 2: round picks.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. I was going to say the
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys do very well with their first picks. To
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  Speaker 1: get Caleb Downs with the eleventh pick, that's pretty damn good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they have two big needs safety in corner.
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  Speaker 1: And now you could argue they could get safety later.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great safety draft, but to be able to
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  Speaker 1: get the best safety and I mean everybody you talked to,
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  Speaker 1: everybody I've talked to in Ohio State, Urban Meyer, Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Day have all said the same thing. This guy had
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty tackles as a freshman at Alabama
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  Speaker 1: under Nick Saban literally walked on. I mean just think
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  Speaker 1: about that. You go to Alabama. Nick doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: play freshman period, So I think he's pretty special. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought by Dallas, we can say all we want
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  Speaker 1: about Dallas. But I said this the other day. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think people realize how many high end B plus
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  Speaker 1: players Dallas has. You know, Jake Ferguson's one of only
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  Speaker 1: two tight ends that had like eighty catches and eight touchdowns.
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  Speaker 1: They have two elite in two offensive linemen. They have
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  Speaker 1: two great receivers Dak Prescott. I mean, now they have
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  Speaker 1: Kenny Clark. Think about what they did instead of Micah Parsons.
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  Speaker 1: Think about what they've done in the last eight months.
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  Speaker 1: Quentinn Williams, Rashaun Gary, Kenny Clark, Caleb Downs. That's you
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  Speaker 1: say what you want. You know, you spend all that
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  Speaker 1: money on Micah Parsons. Look at the four players they
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  Speaker 1: have added this Dallas defensive front now with Caleb Downs
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  Speaker 1: at center, that's a big win to me for Dallas.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think Jerry takes a lot of shift because
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  Speaker 2: of the personality, because some of the crazy things he
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  Speaker 2: said or says. There's no debating their drafts for a
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  Speaker 2: long time now, especially in the first round, have been unreal.
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  Speaker 2: And I get this guy doesn't play a premium position,
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  Speaker 2: but I think if you polled every general manager in
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  Speaker 2: the league, who are the best players in this draft?
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  Speaker 2: Removed the quarterback just in terms of regardless of position,
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  Speaker 2: I think Jeremiah Love and Caleb Downs would have been
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people's one to two in some order. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: depending on position, you get pushed down for pass rusher, right,
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  Speaker 2: But this guy. You hear Ryan Day talking about him
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  Speaker 2: earlier today. He said, I've never been around a guy
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  Speaker 2: that young that I felt like this guy should probably
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  Speaker 2: be in the NFL. Now, that was before he played
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  Speaker 2: a game when he transferred there. And Saban was who
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  Speaker 2: plays in the defensive backfield for Nick Saban its safety
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  Speaker 2: because one thing. As a corner, you can just be
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  Speaker 2: an athlete. At safety, you're like a coach on the field,
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  Speaker 2: and the defensive backfield is Nick Saban's baby. I bet
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  Speaker 2: if we historically looked in the twenty year run plus
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  Speaker 2: at Alabama, not many guys cracked the field at at
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  Speaker 2: eighteen years old. So yeah, I mean if you would
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  Speaker 2: have told anybody that the Cowboys ended up with Caleb Downs,
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  Speaker 2: now they did have to move up one spot. I
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  Speaker 2: wonder there some team think the Rams, if he would
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  Speaker 2: have kept falling, would have been interested in him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like the Seahawks and the Rams highly value safety.
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  Speaker 1: I think Sean Payton, I know, highly value safety. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of these coaches do. I will say Ruben Bain
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  Speaker 1: fell to fifteen. Jason Light, the GM of the Bucks,
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  Speaker 1: took him at fifteen. So we said somebody was going
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  Speaker 1: to fall in the first round. It ended up being Bain,
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  Speaker 1: who many had going eight, nine or ten, measurable as
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  Speaker 1: or problem kind of a bully on the field. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you're this is what Jason Light has done for
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  Speaker 1: years in Tampa gets value often on the defensive side.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make a Bain dropping to fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there's a long time ago, but sometimes
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  Speaker 2: guys can just play football. If you just walk by
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  Speaker 2: Warren Sapp, you know, he doesn't exactly look like Jalen Carter,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a Reggie White. And to me, if you
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  Speaker 2: just watch Warren Sapp play, obviously he's one of the
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  Speaker 2: greatest players of all time.
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  Speaker 1: I covered him in Tampa. Is a rookie. Yeah, do
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  Speaker 1: you agree?
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  Speaker 2: If you walk by him, he doesn't look like one
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  Speaker 2: of the greatest, little a little shorter than you'd like.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember about halfway through his rookie year. He
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  Speaker 1: popped in year two, but halfway through his rookie year
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  Speaker 1: he just had an attitude that he was great and
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  Speaker 1: he knew he was going to be great, had incredible confidence.
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  Speaker 2: And some guys just have the natural field to dominate
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  Speaker 2: at whatever position. To me, Ruben Bain, I've been watching
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  Speaker 2: college football all my life. That guy just jumps off
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  Speaker 2: the screen. And yeah, the arm length is definitely concerned,
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  Speaker 2: but it shows you sometimes, you know, especially in that
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  Speaker 2: in the teams, just be patient. You know, good players
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  Speaker 2: fall in the teams because a lot of teams higher
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  Speaker 2: up for some needs. We say a couple wide receivers
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  Speaker 2: get forced. The Chiefs that desperately need a corner.
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  Speaker 1: Guys drop no. No, people are going to bang on
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City a little bit because they move up to
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  Speaker 1: six to get man who are delayed. But it might
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  Speaker 1: take I said this all week. The two teams I
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  Speaker 1: thought could move up with the Eagles because they have
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  Speaker 1: eight draft picks and there's not eight guys in this
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  Speaker 1: draft that can make the roster, and the Chiefs because
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  Speaker 1: the Chiefs basically John after they got Kenneth Walker. They
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  Speaker 1: had three needs this offseason that were like urgent now
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  Speaker 1: needs running back, corner, and edge. Well, they got Kenneth Walker.
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  Speaker 1: They solve that by moving up, they get the best corner.
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  Speaker 1: They solve that. They have the entire remaining draft to
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  Speaker 1: get an edge in a good edge draft. So like
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  Speaker 1: I Kansas, I thought they move may move up for Bailey.
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  Speaker 1: But my take on Kansas City is jump. They have
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  Speaker 1: the coach, the quarterback, and they have the defensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 1: and they've got good athletes. They lack a star power
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  Speaker 1: that maybe the Rams, the Eagles, the Seahawks have at
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  Speaker 1: the top or Denver. Well, now they've added Kenneth Walker
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  Speaker 1: and the best corner. To me, this this didn't surprise me,
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't bother me. Does it bother you?
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  Speaker 2: No? Because this guy is a plug and play outside corner.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I think one of their concerns they love
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  Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie. He's everything you'd want in a guy and
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  Speaker 2: a competitor. I mean they won big with him. They
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  Speaker 2: viewed him more as an elite Nickel solid outside guy. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I just looked Ashton genty was a six pick last year,
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  Speaker 2: got four years, thirty five million dollars and a twenty
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  Speaker 2: two million dollars signing bonus. The Rams gave McDuffie four years,
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty four million dollars and guaranteed one
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  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars, so you go, well, to me, it
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  Speaker 2: was just economics. Like Andy Reid did not think poorly
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  Speaker 2: of McDuffie, but they looked at the money in how
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  Speaker 2: much they would have to give him when they wanted
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  Speaker 2: him to just primarily dominated Nickel, And they get this
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  Speaker 2: corner for what six seven million dollars a year, So
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  Speaker 2: they go, hey, even if this guy turns out to
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  Speaker 2: be eighty ninety percent of McDuffie, so really really good player,
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  Speaker 2: He's way cheaper. And this is unlike the Rams. The
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  Speaker 2: chiefs Andy's thinking this year, next year, like they're living
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  Speaker 2: in the moment. So that's right. And think about this, Colin,
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  Speaker 2: because when they picked them, the first thing I thought
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  Speaker 2: of Justin Herbert bo Nix, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen Dragon.
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  Speaker 2: Think of the quarterbacks you have to play in the AFC,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. You know, if Fernando Mendoz is good, like
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  Speaker 2: you're playing, potentially the NFC teams feel a little more
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  Speaker 2: well rounded. The Rams Seattle. If the Niners are healthy,
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  Speaker 2: the AFC is is. I mean you're talking Hall of
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  Speaker 2: Fame Trevor Lawrence resurrected his career. If CJ. Stroud got
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  Speaker 2: on the straight and narrow, Daniel Jones for the first
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  Speaker 2: ten games looks like a pro bowler. I mean the
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  Speaker 2: AFC quarterback wise is loaded. So when you got fifty
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: million dollars quarterbacks, you're not asking them to hand the
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: ball off. They're chucking it around forty fifty times a game.
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  Speaker 2: So specifically in their division against Herbert who last year
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: shocked a lot of people through they threw the ball
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: all the time. We know Sean Payton. What did they
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: just do? They just added Waddle to go with someting.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: We know we'll get Drew Brees' Google his numbers. Like
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: John Payton likes to call passes. So I think part
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: of it is we're already paying Chris Jones. We need
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Carl Loftis to bounce back. We need a guy that
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: we can just play. Andy has go back to the
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Eagles like They've drafted a lot of good corners over
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: the years, so I think him and Veach have a
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: pretty good feel for Lsu. Google LSU's corners too, That's
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: a pretty good place to draft him.
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. So both New York teams
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: had two first round picks. The Giants get the best
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: available player rvil Reese. Then the Giants get Francis Malinoa.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: That was my take the entire two weeks before the draft.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Get the best player available at five, then get somebody
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: to protect or elevate the quarterback. The Jets. Meanwhile, David
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Bailey's who I thought, plug in play pass rusher their
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: second pick, sixteen, Kenyon Sadik, the smaller than average tight
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: end but really a versatile playmaker. The next coach I
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: think will probably be able to use his skills. But
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: my takeaway on both New York teams, I thought they
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: did well. They have the two worst records in the
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: NFL over the last decade, but I don't see a
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: bust with those four players. Thoughts.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I think, I listen, John Harbaugh's been around, I mean,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: a couple of the greatest defensive players of all time,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and you had Suggs and Hilodi. Like the guy knows
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: defensive linemen. He didn't draft Abdul Carter, who I think
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: is a better prospect now he went three, Reese went five.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I do think you could have justified taking Sonny Styles
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: there over Reese just because you already have Brian Burns.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: The Giants were pretty bad last year, he was not.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, you watched the Giants play Burns coming off
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the edge. I would imagine they trade Thibodeau. But I
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: wonder inside that draft room, like you get if Sonny
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Stalle is the next Fred Warner and you already got
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: passed rus because he's not a defensive tackle, to take
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the offensive lineman's a no brainer. I would have taken
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Sonny Stals there at five over the pass rusher. Obviously
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you always value the pass rusher more than the middle linebacker.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: But you already got pass rushers, I mean elite like Abdua.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Carter to me could be a Micah Parsons type player.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Now part of that, remember last year is late. He's
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: got you know, maybe they're just question marks for John,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: but I'm with you on the Jets. They just took
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Kenyon Sadi.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: That's yeah.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: You get Bailey, a plug and play edge rusher, speed.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Guys, play chess piece and Kenyon Sadiq. That's a you know, listen,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I don't hold the Jets or the Giants in high regard,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: but I do think the Giants are going to be
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: an eight nine win team. And I and I really appreciate,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: you know. I was my wife kind of likes the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: draft and all the dramatic stories, and I was saying,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I said, you know, these offensive tackles. You it's never
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a sexy pick. But it's interesting how often the really
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: smart people in the NFL. The Dallas Cowboys, to their credit,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: have crushed on first round picks and they've taken centers
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and guards and tackles and they don't miss. So yeah, the.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Two offensive tackles that went back to back, I mean,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: are just going to play in the NFL for a
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Fano and the Miami Again, those guys are just NFL.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Players, Okay. So I don't think anybody is surprised by
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Mendoza to the Raiders, Bailey to the Jets. Jeremiah loved
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Carnell tate Tennessee. Now, Tennessee's one of those
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: organizations that has felt wide receiver shy for like ten years. Again,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I looked at that, and I thought Sala texted me
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: about a year ago or two years ago when I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: said I don't trust defensive coaches with offensive guys. He
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: goes any text. He was very funny. He's like, hey,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and I coached tight ends. I totally respect offense. And
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: so when he took this, I think he was sending
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a message like, I understand the game. I've been a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: head coach before I went to Shanahan. Shanahan, if there's
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: any criticism, they overdraft wide receivers if there's any criticism,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and so I don't have a problem. Tennessee's a franchise
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that always feels like they need another skilled player on
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the outside. They've had great d lineman, they've had great backs.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with Carnell Tate. Now some
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: think Tate's going to be a great number two receiver,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: but again, how do you I think he's a lower
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: end one. But it's an Ohio State receiver. They're all good.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought this was pretty shocking. Now I'm with you.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Shanahan believes in taking playmakers over offensive lineman. Now, he
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: would not take a playmaker over a defensive lineman. And
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the Titans have a million needs. Now. Reese is twenty
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: years old. Sunny Styles played middle linebacker. A lot of
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: people thought, well, he could be his Fred Warner. But
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: they just drafted cam Ward number one overall, and Jeremiah
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: loves off the board, so they feel very I mean,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: look at their wide receiver room. It's pretty terrible. I
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: mean their offensive weaponry. I think this is nuts, though, Colin,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: because I have a hard time taking a wide receiver
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: is in the top five. If I believe that he
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: can never be a top five wide receiver in the league.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: You know, if I'm gonna take a guy top five,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Jamar Chase, the upside has to
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: be enormous.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Do you think they to trade down.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I would imagine they definitely tried to trade down now.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I think they would. They would argue this, we just
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: invested the number one overall pick a year ago in
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: cam Ward and it was a nightmare on offense last year,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and this draft, like, yeah, we would love Julio Jones too.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: John check this draft. He's not in it. So it's like,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I get it, and there's not a wide I think
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the wide receivers in the top ten I didn't think
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: one might go in the top ten. Obviously two ended
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: up going. I think in a lot of drafts, none
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: of these guys. Look at Obuka last year that Jason
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: ly like gets Wellbuka was a better player than Tate when
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: they played on the same team, and where he go
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: at the in the late teens. You know JSN a
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, same type thing. I'm not anti
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: this player. The one thing you hear, which I give
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Ryan Daale a lot of credit, all these Ohio State
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: guys are like pristine character. They're all high level guys. Yeah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: so if you go, hey, we're a little we're forcing
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: a need here. We're taking a good guy who worst
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: case scenario is catching eighty balls like we could do
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to me, it's more of a double pick than goan
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Reese who's twenty that might not be able to help
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: us for a couple of years. Sonny Styles And maybe
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: they just argued the premium position at wide receivers more
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: important than the middle linebacker. Personally, I would have gone
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Sny Styles because I think Sonny Styles could be the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: best middle linebacker in the league in a couple of years.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: So that's where I would lean when I'm drafting really
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: high over tape, but I understand their logic.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I was, if there's going to be somebody that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: busts in the top fifteen to sixteen picks, if I.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Had to pick historically, there's like half them.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Caden Proctor, offensive tackle, Miami. I'm a big believer in life,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you either have the work ethic and the focus or
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you don't. Very rarely in my life I'm now older,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: have I met somebody that was unfocused, not driven, not aspirational,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and then you give them a bunch of money and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: they become grinders. It doesn't happen in my life. It
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen. I mean, Nick Saban threw shade at the guy.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: He said he's not really a self starter. I mean
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: even during the broadcast, I mean you're hearing Lewis Riddick say, listen,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I mean he should dominate less talented guys, and he
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: often didn't this. I mean the whole time I'm listening.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: People don't want to go on the NFL network or
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: ESPN and criticize players they don't really want to. In fact,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: years ago, it kind of became a running joke. John
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Gruden was so favorable and almost protective. And then somebody
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: got into his ear and said, John, you got to
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: be brutally honest on some of this stuff. And then
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Gruden became really good at it. But to me, Cayden
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Proctor and again they've they've got a ton of picks.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: But if you told me there's a bust, find somebody
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: in your life, your social circle that is not really
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: driven or focused, and then you give them money and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: a little fame and they get really driven and focused.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't work.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: That way, especially in that area. You and I have
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: talked about how much ms to build an NFL team
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: down there, A lot of stuff to do, you know.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Lewis, when I worked with him in the Eagles,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: one of his big things was and he had played
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: in the league and then he'd scouted for a long time.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: It's really easy for the skinny guys. I remember DeShawn
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Jackson could eat a cheeseburger and fries Andy could give
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: any conditioning chest he would pass it backwards. Right, who
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: is a skill guy, DeShawn Jackson? Right? You know the
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: wide receivers dbs that they can run like, they can
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: go forever, even if they're out of shape. You have
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to be Bill Belichick to really notice bigger guys, though
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you can notice it fast and there takes a discipline
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and a focus. It's why when you see these great
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: offensive tackles or great defensive tackles, they have an underrated
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: work at that because it's just you're naturally carrying more
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: body weight. It's why I don't crush when I hear
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence doesn't play hard every single snap. Well, yeah,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: weigh three hundred ffty pounds. It's it's harder for him
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: to play, but it does. When you look at Dexter Lawrence,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I saw an interview, you couldn't really tell the weight
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: on him. He wears three fifty really well, Caden Proctor's
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: three ninety. So this is a guy at Alabama where
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: they are on you much harder than they will in
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the pros where you have a lot more free time.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: You have discretionary income now in college, but you have
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: more in the NFL. I just think lazy, big guys.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It's hard for them. They're disciplined to change because one
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: they're naturally It's not like me and you, if we're
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: gonna go on a diet, it's they're naturally eating a
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: massive amount of food just to maintain three hundred and forty.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Look at a lot of these offensive liven like Jason Kelce,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: he drops forty pounds in the blink of an eye,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: just because he's probably eating more like a normal two
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pound er, not a three hundred and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: ten pounder. When you're that big, it can be really difficult.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: So yeah, they're it's got some Beckton parallels. It's harder
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: for those big guys that don't have the discipline to
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: really stay focused. And then what happens when you're that big,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: You're more likely to get injured. Right, It's harder on
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: your knees and your joints.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, Carolina has made the pick at nineteen. That's what's
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: happening as we speak. The Eagles have moved up and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: made a deal with the Cowboys, So the Cowboys has
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: moved back to twenty three. Dallas and Philly have made
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: a trade. How about that?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Well, remember when they got Devonte Smith. How he traded
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: with Jerry too. The Eagles and the Cowboys, they're both
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: they're pretty unemotional when it comes to the draft. Do business,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: do business. They don't care. They hate each other when
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the season starts, but they don't know promstrating with each other.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: You know what I think the Eagles are doing taking
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the George offensive lineman. No, well, yes, but I think
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: mackay Lemon from USC because that tells you they're going
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to move AJ Brown to the Patriots. They have Devonte Smith,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: they get Wis from the Packers. I mean, you lose
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: AJ Brown, you can't just replace him with a number
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: three receiver from Green Bay. Do they go out and
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: get mikayle Lemmon.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: My guess would be they go offensive lineman. I just
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: think they're Howie's history Lane Johnson. Last year his body
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: was really hanging by a string that they need some reinforcements.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: That offensive line really let him down last year. The
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: one thing how He has done is draft a lot
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: of Alabama and Georgia guys. He's very comfortable with Kirby Smart.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: But I'm with you. I do wonder though, if they've
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: added enough wide receivers to just make it happen. I mean,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: look at what's this Sean Manion who's running the Shanahan offense.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: You don't like. Ideally, you'd want Julio Jones or Pooka Nakula.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: But you can get by with some random wide receivers
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: and just run the rock in it to have a tire.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: And they have a Dallas Godds back on the team.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: How he's all I mean, I he has to average
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: more trades per draft than any GM in NFL history.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, he doesn't go through many without without making
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: a maneuver. A little shocking that the uh the Vikings
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: took the big defensive tackle from Florida who's had some
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: feet issues. Yeah, another thing kind of like the A
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: little different I think than the Proctor from Bama. But
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the big guys, the big big guys to me are
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: always really when you hit, they become dominant players Dexter Lawrence.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: But when they don't work, they they they're a disaster.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: They took no I don't I'd be.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Stune if they didn't go a line they take it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go. I'm gonna go wide receiver to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the Eagles. I think they've had this A J. Brown
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: thing figured out for a while. I think they thought
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: about it a year ago. I mean, they made the
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: green move to get Wis, who's more of a three
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: good size three Davante's amid to low end one.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm well, they they can't take my guy because
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: the Panthers just took him who uh freeling from Georgia. Okay,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the Panthers, they've drafted pretty well last couple of years.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Morgan, the former player is he is pretty highly thought of.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: My people think he's pretty good.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Well, John Schneider taught him back in the day when
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: he first got into the business. Then he worked for
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Brandon Bean like before he became the GM. He learned
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: from some good gms. So that's that's a good pick.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: They got good guards and centers. They drafted the tackle
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago from NC State. A lot
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: of pressure on Bryce Young just to be solid the Panthers.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I think the Panthers in the Saints actually kind of sneaky,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: decent teams coming into the year. Yeah, maybe you're right.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: On the Eagles, there's probably not an offensive lineman to
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: take there. I guess they could take the you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the Tennessee corner has a lot of knee question marks.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: They've had some question with their other corner beside. You know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: they got Cooper in the slot and they got Mitchell outside.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I just I don't know.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yep, Eagles took Mackay Lemon.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Nailed it well, Audios AJ.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen. He's also he's a guy that you
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: got to put in motion because he's not he's not
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: super big, so you can tie him up at the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. They're going to put him in motion
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a lot. He's at yards after the catch. Guy, very
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: sure handed. I watched every one of his big college snaps.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I thought he was as self starting, hard working, got better.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: You know, he was one of those four or five
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: star recruits who was dimnuty arrived on campus. Was everything
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: that was advertised, and they had a lot of other
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: weapons on that team, but he just separated. He was
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: totally dependable. He's also got incredibly he reminds me of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: omar On Saint Brown, incredibly strong hands. If he gets
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: his hands on it, he's catching it. You're not gonna
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: see fumbles. You're not gonna rip the ball away, I
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: think Philly. Listen, you know Dallas didn't need a receiver.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: They probably knew who they were going after. Yeah, I mean,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I listen. People can tell me how bad this draft is,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: but if Makai Lemon goes twenty, that's gonna be an
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: eight to ten year highly productive NFL player.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this is where the argument in this draft
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: is sometimes you're better taken in the late teens twenties
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: than you were draft in seven or eight. Like, the
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: difference in the in this draft class is not that big.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: The one thing Lemon is gonna give them with aj
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: being gone, DeVante Smith is an awesome player, but he's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: not breaking tackles. You know, in this offense. If you're
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: booting and waggling the Shanahan offense with Jalen Hurts, you
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: can dump it off to guys like Lemon. If he's
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: like Saint Brown, well what can he do? He can
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: run through contact. He's a physical wide receiver. So not
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: only like you said, is he sure handed in contested
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: catches like that? That was why a lot of people
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: like Lemon more than Jordan Tyson is because in tougher areas,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the NFL is full of contested catches like you're you're
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: not wide open against some of these college teams, you
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: know in the NFL. So you get a physical wide receiver,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. I mean, you watched mackay Lemon. He's
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: he was the best player on USC last year, right,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was fantastic and how he's got to
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: be pretty fired up to get him at twenty when
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: they needed to replace you know, I guess eventually they
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: might not trade aj till for another month because of
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the cap situation. But yeah, I get it.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: It's really interesting now you get at the bottom of
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the first round. These are good teams. These are playoff teams,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: so they have fewer holes. And it's also no man's
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: land for a lot of teams. People, you know, a
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: lot of these teams would right their trade out. So
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: this is going to be interesting. John, I've got a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: little tequila Blanco club soda.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: You know, dummy, you know what I just just won.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I'll need clarity to clean drink. You know, I'm looking
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: over this draft. You know, anytime people say it's a
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: great draft, there's always busts. And this draft, I mean,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of offensive tackles. This is a really
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I mean, let me count the offensive
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: tackles here taken so far. So you got one, two, three,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: interior lineman Blake Miller, four or five, six, You got
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: six of them so far, and there's a couple more
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that are going to get drafted. So listen, it's not
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a quarterback draft. It's an offensive tackle and edge rusher draft.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: And again, if mkayle Lemon's going to Philadelphia at twenty,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: can't be that terrible a draft.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think to me, drafts are usually defined when
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: people say that on the elite. Yeah, you know, there
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: are makay Lemon types, you know. I mean, he's a
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: really good player who's going into the first round any year. Right,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Sadik is the type guy going in the in the
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: first round any year. It just are they going pick
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: twenty six or are they going pick fifteen or eighteen
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: or twenty. I mean some draft Ceedee Lamb where the
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Cowboys get Ceede Lamb, like pick seventeen. You know. So
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: it was more about to me, this argument on the
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: draft was about the top Ty Simpson. You know, I
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: mean we had a draft a couple of years ago
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: that six quarterbacks go in the top fifteen, and I'm
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: always hesitant. Everyone goes, it's going to be a great
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: quarterback draft next year, which could be true, But every
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: single year nus Meyer was supposed to go one overall.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Then his coach got fired in week five, right, and
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: he got bench slash, was injured by the end of
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the year, and now he's going to go in the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: third or fourth round. I couldn't have pointed Joe Burrow
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: out of the lineup, you know when he when he
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: first got to LSU. A couple of years later, he
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: has one of the greatest seasons ever and he's a
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: no doubt about it, number one overall pick. So I
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: just think you things have been flow so much with
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks in college because I would say no position is
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: more dependent on you know, you got to play pretty well, right, Listen,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I can nitpick Ty Simpson. I mean at one point
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: in time they look like a top five team. Got
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: banged up.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, first six seven weeks. I mean there were a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: lot of people who thought he was better than Mendoza.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I mean he was shredding it with no run game
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: at all at Alabama. No run game.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: So if you look at the two quarterbacks that went,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza ran the table, beat everybody, and Ty Simpson
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: they won a playoff game on the road, like part
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: of being a quarterback to get drafted. Highe now like
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: you kind of got a put up or shut Jayden Daniels, right,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. These guys were dominating college football. So you
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: just I'm never as confident to go there's Andrew Luck types.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: But we've seen Jaden Daniels the year before, no one
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: would have picked him to be a top five pick,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and then the next year he's has one of the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: great seasons we've ever seen. Win's the Heisman is a
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: no doubt about it, top two or three pick. Things
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: change so much a quarterback where the positions We've been
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: talking about Caleb Downs for two years, right, We've been
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: talking about the Ohio State guys, the defensive players, even
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: if they're not starting. You always hear like, wait for
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Sonny Styles, wait for Rvel Reese, you know, for how
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: many years he started at Utah. Jordan Tyson two years
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: ago was an unreal player for Arizona. The position players
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: you know about. The quarterbacks though, to me, are kind
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: of like, you know, crazy stocks that can be up
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: and down. So and that's where I think back to
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the McVeigh ty Simpson be like, it's almost like bird
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: in the hand. We feel this guy could be a
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: starter in the NFL. Even if he's never a top
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: five starter. I wouldn't have done it. And I'm just
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: surprised they do it, because that's not that they feel like.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: They always live much more in the moment than they
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: do think big picture, and this is their first big
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: picture move in a long long time. I mean they
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: so they've just been seeing arrested with these first round picks.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Steeters not a surprise. I was talking to de Fabo,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Mike de Fabo from The Athletic, who covers the Steelers.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: He said, I suspect them at twenty one to get
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. Another offensive tackle has picked Arizona State.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: That's down in your neck of the woods.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Good player.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I I watch Arizona State football. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: have it feels like my entire life. He feels like
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: he's a little bit more of a he's a high
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: ceiling not quite ready offensive tackle. Is that fair?
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: That's fair? I mean, I think a lot of people
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: thought that there was a lot to work with there.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: It's why he was like a fringe first rounder. But
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: once you get the run of tackles, they just have
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: their offensive lineman. That woe was a report in the
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: last couple of days that Broderick Jones neck injury. You
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: know he might not be right, so you know, you
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: you just do they make this pick if they don't
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: have that problem arise, you know, and he's just fully healthy.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Probably not, but I totally understand. I will never ever
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: nitpick a team for taking an offensive tackle. Like to me,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: you can never even if it doesn't work. I think
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: you can always lean on that philosophical belief when picking
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: a player.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Max iron Acker was a high school basketball star.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: He's a very good athlete. He's an ascending tackle. That's
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: lance Zerline is a guy I listen to a lot
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: when it comes to his draft brief. Listen he's he
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: is the classic big athlete and that's what everybody falls
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: in love with when you get these six seven three
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: h thirty pound guys with good feet. He's he's an
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: ascending player. They love his traits. He's not polished yet,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: but I mean he Texas Tech played Arizona State and
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Texas Tech had a great pass rush and I think
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: that's the game that he blew everybody away. And people
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: they have upset him.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: They have set him this year with a backup quarterback
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: and doesn't this, you know, speak to college football. If
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: you want to make the playoffs, obviously the highest end
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: like Miami Ohio State, but if you want to be
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: eight to fourteen, this is a you know, USC, I
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: think where they're trying to go. Look at how many
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: guys Arizona States have drafted these last you know, Scataboo,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Jordan Tyson, the offensive lineman. Levitt just got five million
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: dollars a quarterback to go to LSU. Like, you need
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of NFL talent now to compete to make
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: that top twelve fourteen range in college football, Like you
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: cannot just be the little engine that could with just
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: some overachievers, Like you need high end first round talent,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: guys with that ability on the on the lines, because
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: especially offensive line, because you're going to have to block
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: in that. I mean, look at Miami, look at Ohio State.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: NFL high end edge rushers. I mean, Ohio State they
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: are I know they don't win the championship every year,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: but holy moly, are they just the factory right now?
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Well since Saban left, they're the best college football program
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: in America. I mean, what's really fascinating. I was talking
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: to somebody last week about this somebody up the food
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: chain in college football, and he said, Notre Dames having
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a problem scheduling, He said, because it's one thing that
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten added Oregon, Washington, USC, and UCLA. It's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: one thing that the SEC added Texas and Oklahoma. But
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the problem is the NIL has made non traditional powers
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: like Indiana and Vanderbilt really good in football. And like
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: these teams like USC said, we don't want to play
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame. That's what everybody's saying privately. Notre Dame's on
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the phone. They can't get games. That's why they were
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: so upset about USC. The USC just preemptively did what
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: everybody's doing in college football. You have two super conferences now,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and Big Ten and SEC schools are like, not only
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: are did we add these traditional powers, but now non
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: traditional powers like Indiana and Vanderbilt are landing four and
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: five star guys because these are excellent universities, a lot
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: of rich alumni. Mark Cuban gives you a fifteen million
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: dollar check and buys you, you know, six NFL players.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Well, because that was always the knock on the SEC.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, Georgia, you're complaining, I know, you got
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: to play Florida and LSU, but you also get Vanderbilt
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: and ole Miss in there. Well, now you know with
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the nil Vanderbilt ol Miss or no Cakeway Indiana. Great example.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. I didn't even think about that.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: The conference is now the money of the rising tide
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: lifts all the oats. It's not. I just think this,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: We're just inevitably going to get to the two conference
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: deal and then Notre Dames just be in the North Conference,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: which will essentially be some verbs of the Big Ten.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: So the chart another Miami Hurricane team messador. He's the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you know, not a surprise, not a surprise a Harbaugh
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: goes for a pass rusher or an offensive lineman.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: He is. He is a fantastic player. I know he's
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: a little older, but there were Miami games where he
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: was every bit, if not better than being like he
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: is a big time player. Because he's a little older,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: He's got position versatility. You put him Khalil max back.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I mean they that defensive line, if that offensive line
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: is healthy, chargers of my pick right now to win
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: that division. That's a fan. I wonder if Dallas they
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: had to know. I mean the Chargers would have been
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: interested in the defensive lineman. Not they'd get back to
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: twenty three and take him there.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Well, my question is do the Cowboys get you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: they need a corner, but there's questions about McCoy out
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: of Tennessee's his health.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: He already took Caleb, so you're not going to take
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you know, the the Oregon safety. Right, you're not gonna
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: tay two safeties in the first round.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: No, although they won't, but that kid's gonna get picked
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: here pretty quick. My guess is if Dallas doesn't take him, Chicago,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: keep your eye at twenty five, they're going to take defense.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Could Dallas go offense here? Or do you gotta go
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: d No? I mean, I you know, could you go
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Casey the wide receiver from Texas A and m you
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: know George Pickens just I mean, he's he's no lock
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: to be on the team.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And I would be surprised if the Cowboys don't go secondary.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I would be surprised. I did not by said this
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: when when the word came in that they were gonna
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: go Now. They may get fault from Auburn, who's kind
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: of a tweener edge rusher, but I My take was
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't believe the Cowboys would move up because they
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: needed either a safety or a corner. I think they
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: go defense. I'd be shocked if they went offense.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think McCoy would be the no doubt about it,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: pick the corner from Tennessee. But injuries, you know, with
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: skill guys, and explosion always scared me.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: My guys didn't like Fulk, the rush end from Auburn.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: They kept saying he he is always the second guy
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: to the tackle. He's just always a little off.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: He's a guy a couple of years ago I think
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: would have been viewed as a potential top five pick
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: with his physical abilities. And then Peter Woods was another
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: guy the Clemson defense. I'm in this kind of you know,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: a guy that you can move away because to me,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: part of drafting guys now it's like do they have
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: position versatility? The Cowboys are changing their defense with this
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator from Philly. There's pretty good wide receivers
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: on the board still Boston from Washington, Cooper from Indiana.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: You could take the Clemson Dbterrell here, you could take
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: there's still some you know, Cash is how talking to people,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: they thought he was more like mid second round, got
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: short arms. He's a little smaller. Cat was a good
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: player here.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: It's just they're gonna go defense, and they've been very
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: good with their picks. I think Malachi. I'm just told
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Malachi Lawrence. Malachi Lawrence. Now he is he's an older player,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: but he's one of those guys. You know they always
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: use the term get off. He's one of these guys
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: that is a kind of a pop explosive get off guys.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: You know, listen, they they moved off. Think about this,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: they moved off Micah Parsons. Look at that defensive line
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: now for Shawn Gary, Quinn Williams, Kenny Clark, Overshown who
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: was already there injury prone. Really interesting.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I wonder if.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: They Lawrence Central Florida. He's a senior.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Forty inch vertical long. I mean, he's a big to
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: the athlete now.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: But now the knock on him, I remember reading this
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: from Zerlin. The knock on him is disciplined. He can
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: kind of hero ballt You're not quite sure, but again
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Dallas has said, Okay, we're gonna lose Michael Parsons and
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: we're gonna buy and draft several players up front and
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: listen Caleb downs in another path. You know over shown
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to Marvin Overshown doesn't get a lot of discussion because
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: he's been banged up. He's a hell of a.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Player, excellent. And the one thing is when you get
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: this goes to the Bengals when they get Dexter Lawrence. Well,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: they drafted Shamar Stewart last year, who was a lot
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: of physical characteristics, wasn't the most productive guy. Well, if
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I get a guy eating up the guards and centers
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: and you just kind of run around on the outside,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: you add Mafe. That's kind of what the Cowboys have done.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: They have a lot of interior help, some big bodies.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: So I get this kind of young. I guess he's
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: not young. He's a senior. But in terms of rookie
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: pass rusher who's got all the physical characteristics. But he's
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: playing at UCF so they're in the Big twelve. It's
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: not like this guy's getting double digit you know, he's
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: got thirteen sacks the last two years in a conference
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: that passes the ball a lot.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: That he's like freeling the tackle for Georgia. He's an
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: ascending player.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: He's your classic guy you take in the twenties, right,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: who has physical characteristics that could go much higher. The
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: tape and the production is not what you'd like, right,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Bailey's a great example. Elite production, elite size, playing on
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: an elite defense. No doubt about a top five This guy,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: little smaller school, same conference, not quite as productive, but
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: just standing there, they look the same, you know, and hell,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: this guy jump. You have a forty inch vert colin
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: at two hundred and fifty pounds. That's a pretty good athlete.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: So Cleveland took Spencer Fino with their first pick. They've
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: spent the off season rebuilding the They've got another one,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Denzel Boston. They need a receiver, the wide receiver Washington
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: who I'm kind of hit and miss on. Jermad McCoy,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the corner out of Tennessee. I my guess is they
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: go wide receiver. Listen, I don't think Sendor Sanders is
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: long term starter, but if you go to right tackle,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: they need offensive help. That that receiving course to me
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the worst in the sport.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they also could go defense. I mean they this
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: team is just so terrible. They could go Boston. You
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: said they did take Boston or that's who. You know
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: My guess is I'm looking at my sheet, Denzel Boston
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: and McCoy the corner from Tennessee. Now there's also there's
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: also the kid from Texas A and m Casey Concepcion.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: That's another one. I think they're gonna go receiver. I
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: really I heard. I heard two different people that I
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: trust about two weeks ago, and they they really like Barry.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: My guys like Barry Andrew Berry. They said they thought
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Cleveland at some point. Listen, when Tate went early to Tennessee,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Cleveland liked him. Cleveland would have taken him at that spot.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna go wide receiver.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Omar Cooper is a guy that at the beginning of
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the season I had never even heard of. By the
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: end of the season at the combine people, I didn't
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: meet many people that didn't like him. And this is
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: the Indiana thing is that program now is very highly
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: thought of in terms of people are getting coached hard,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: people know what they're doing. Obviously had the you know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: one of the catches of the year in that Penn
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: State game, but he was really good for them. I
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be stunned if they went with Omar Cooper here too.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: He's had a really good offseason. People. I think as
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: this process goes. Here's the thing is this process goes
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: and you're not like an elite guy. Your meetings, how
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: you interact with the coaches, the position coaches, that goes
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: a long way. Yeah, because they got to feel comfortable
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: with you. And that's where I think can make or
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: break on some of these guys. Now in the late twenties,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: when you're kind of you're probably you probably could pick
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: between five or six guys. We're all humans. What guy
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: do you like them? If we think they're all kind
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: of equal players, who do we trust the most as
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: a person? You know that was with zach ryat Brantz
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the other day gets in trouble. When you read the story,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: it's pretty stupid, like it's not right, no one's gonna
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: but it's like, you can I trust you like we gotta.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: You're five six days away from the draft and you're
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: clearly out late drinking, which we don't have a problem with,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: but that that's just you have to avoid that situation.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: So I do wonder if Cleveland they've drafted a sneaky
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: lot of off the field guys that they've had some
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: issues with pretty high I wonder if they just need
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: to get some you know, Omar Cooper, just get a
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: really high level guy in your program, because they do.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: You know, Jenkins the running back last year before he
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: broke his leg, he looked really good.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: You know what John think about this? I'm just looking
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: at my picks. The first eleven picks in this draft.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: The Big Ten had five, the Big twelve had three,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Miami Notre Dame, and the entire SEC had one. The
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: entire SEC had one of the first eleven picks. And
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: I think if there's a bust in the first round,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Caden Proctor, the tackle from Bama to Miami, would be
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: the bust.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Boy.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I saw this the other day. I was talking. I
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: don't know who I was talking to. You ever heard
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: of GDP gross domestic product? Like countries have that? States
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: have that, right? Perfect College football conferences have GMP gross
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: metropolitan product? What are the average home metro area homes?
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: What's their revenue? The Big Ten is almost at six billion,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: the SEC is at one and a half billion. I
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: mean the SEC, it has happened quickly. They just do
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: not have the money. I mean the fact that Alabama
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: couldn't keep Caleb Downs, who was a dominant freshman safety.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: And this was was my thing. The minute you brought
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: La and Phil Knight and Seattle money into the conference
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: to go, you know you've already got these Northern Traditional
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Michigan's endowment is gigantic. Penn State's endowment, the Big Ten
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: is pulling away. They are pulling away from the SEC.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it. You just if you're having fifty
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: million dollars rosters, this is not when you're begging. You
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: know when Kenny Dillingham he went on local TV here
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: and just beg for money. He's like, Caul, someone help
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: us out with twenty million dollars. That's not an investment
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: for the next decade. You know, back in the day,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I remember when I worked at President State, if you
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: gave a couple of million dollars, that was like a
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: pledge over seven years to the athletic department. That's just
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: to pay for like your defensive backfield, you know, for
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: your defensive and defensive line. So it's a it's a
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: yearly thing. And this is what gets complicated in college football.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Unlike the NFL that gets these huge media deals that
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: funds all this out the money for your players. If
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: the SEC or the Big Ten that money, you still
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: got to pay all the rest of the athletic department.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: So you need this outside money to fund the feel
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: It's why I don't know if you've been following Tosh
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Lupoi at Cal, He's done a really good job. Cal
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: has more billionaires than than any college in America. They
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: don't need ten of them. If they can just get
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: a couple of them to give a little bit of money,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: they can really get off and running. That's Andrew luck.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Going back to Stamford. They have the humans there with
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: the money, it's just they don't normally give. That's a
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: huge disadvantage for Alabama. They have a lot of people
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: that be willing to give, they just don't have enough
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: money to give. They can fund at the level that
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: needs to go and the Big Ten. I'll concepttion you
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: own went to the Browns. Do you think the SEC though?
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: You know, when you care about something and it means
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: that much, there's almost like there's a will, there's a way.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: They will figure it out. But Indiana's going to be
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: a problem because they have funding. It just has. I mean,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize it means it makes sense. The big
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Ohio state, I know, has always been famous.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: For people to go to school there. Yeah, and they
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: have a top eight business school. So that's like Vanderbilt,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: so Indiana, which, by the way, Bloomington's one of the
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: great college towns in the country. People have no idea
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: how great Bloomington is. It's a business school, it's a
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: top eight business school, and so, you know, and I
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: tell friends in the South, I'm like, guys, Vanderbilt is
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: gonna start stealing recruits because their graduates make double like
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: a Georgia graduate. And there's a lot more entrepreneurs and
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: millionaires and one hundred millionaires out of Vanderbilt than your
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: typical SEC school. And the other thing. The big ten,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: to your point, has massive schools. Like Auburn's a small school.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: You go Minnesota, it's got fifty thousand students, Wisconts and
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Penn State these are us. He's one of the tiny ones.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Washington's big, pretty big, pretty big. But I mean it's
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: these big ten schools. Bears are picks in for the Bears,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Bills are on the clock. Niners after that. So now
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: it gets you're getting into the better teams. Chicago needs
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: a safety and an offensive tackle defensive lineman. That'll be
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: interesting to see what the Bears do. Yeah. No, I
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: think it's just the reality of Listen. It used to
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: be the SEC slogan was we just care more. The
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: slogan now is it just costs more. Yeah, and the
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: big ten is we just make more. And that's the differences.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: It's the players were always getting paid. Now it's above board.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: So couldn't I help you argue that the University of
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Texas and Texas A and M, their advantage in that
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: conference is pretty massive.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll think about this. What if they didn't go
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: to the SEC? I mean Texas and Texas A and
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: M and Texas Tech and the Big twelve. Texas money
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: is saving these conferences. I mean just the three Texas. Listen,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: there's just no state tax. It's very it's very fewer regulations.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Texas is a place to make great money. Florida and
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Texas it's just easier to get rich. I mean, USC's
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: private and they've started spending real money in football. What
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: a shock. Now, all of a sudden they have OO
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and D lines with like Sunday players, Like, there's no
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: getting around it. You got to pay these guys. Used
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: to be ten years ago, John, it was all about facilities.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Now it's about pan players.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Well, if you look at the West Coast, wasn't Oregon
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: the most equipped to make the transition for an il
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: immediately and they haven't skipped a beat. Mario went there
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: with that mentality. They recruited elite. Dan had the same mentality,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: and they have not. I understand they've you could argue, underachieved,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: just haven't got it done in the playoffs yet. But
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: it's not a roster problem. It ain't a talent acquisition problem.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at this year. Oregon has Dante Moore
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: that would have gone two in this draft who returns,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: and they added Dylan Ryola right who was a multi
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: million dollar starting quarterback at Nebraska who is now their backup.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: How many teams have that ability? Texas Tech Lance sooresby
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: from Cincinnati. They had to buy him out from Cincinnati,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: pay a million dollars and then give him five million.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: That's college football, and he's a guy that could be
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: a top two or three pick next year.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bears to me, it's offensive tackler safety.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I think the Browns these last couple of years they
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: do draft really good players. Isn't it a good example? Though?
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: And the Jets were like this under Joe Douglas. And
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I've told you this before, but I remember having a
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: buddy on his staff. He said, we've hit on a
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: lot of picks. But of the seven eight guys, if
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: we hit on ninety percent of them and we miss
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: on the quarterback, we're all going to get fired. If
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: we hit on the quarterback and miss on all the
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: other guys, we're going to get extensions. It really is
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: the power of that position.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: So the Bears take the safety Dylan Kineman from Oregon,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: and that dude is a He is a he is
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: a baller. He used to play at Purdue. Oregon went
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: and bought him four three, five forty super versatile guy,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: plug and play starter for the Bears, who lost Bayered.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: But they added Kobe Bryant from Corn Seattle's, so now
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: they got two guys to play in the defensive backfield.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: I know John Schneider really liked Bryant. The Bears getting
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: fourteen million dollars, you know, obviously, you know they got
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: some other guys to invest in, so they kind of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: had to make a Busines decision, but it wasn't because
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: they didn't like him. So you add Bryant, you add
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: the Oregon safety, their defensive back, I mean their defense conn.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Let's face the last year for most of the year
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: was atrocious. I mean that's that it was really really bad. Now,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: the one thing I would say is the defensive line
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: in the pass rush is still not great.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: So it's like they need an edge. They need an
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: edge net bad.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: And maybe there just wasn't a guy on you know,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: with with Lawrence and Mesador going, they didn't feel comfortable taken.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: But they've definitely added two good dbs.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: One in Buffalo is on the clock, and the Bills
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: need defense. They didn't have a pro bowler on defense.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I actually think for all the shit that their Brandon
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Bean gets, for all the crap he gets, they've got
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: a left tackle, a quarterback, excellent tight ends, a slot receiver.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: They went and got Dj Moore. I'm gonna tell you something,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: people in Chicago, including Ben Johnson, it was not easy
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: to get.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Rid of Dj Moore.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Like DJ Moore made, Romadunze hasn't done much yet. Luther
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Burden at the end of the year became an improving player.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: DJ Moore was a big catch guy who never missed starts.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: That dude is durable. So Buffalo went and got Dj Moore.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Now you hope Keon Coleman turns out he's an over
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: the top guy. But for as much crap as Brandon
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Bean gets, he's gotten the right side of the ball
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: pretty well. Click. They just they're defensive guys. They've got
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are solid. They there's nothing
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: special about their defense. There's just they're just got Russo
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: it's just it's kind of like above average guys.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: At Oliver pretty solid play. You know, they made a
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: big move a couple of years ago when they didn't
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: have that much money and they paid von Miller a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: lot of money, and then he kind of got injured
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: and it was just never the same after that Rams run,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: and that kind of limited them because you only get
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: so many swings when you're in that position where you
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: have a highly paid quarterback. But the job of a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: GM and a coach, whether you miss on some picks
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: or hit on picks. They're winning twelve to fourteen games
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: every year. Their job is to win games, and the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Bills have been I mean a player two away from
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: being in multiple Super Bowls.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: So Buffalo moved back twenty six to twenty eight. Houston
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: moved up twenty eight to twenty six. So two AFC
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: teams swapped, just like the Cowboys and the Eagles did.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: So Buffalo moves back to Houston. On the clock moves
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: up to niners in the on deck circle.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Well, the Texans, Colin, because they traded Laramie Tunzel to Washington.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: They have Washington's second round pick coming. I think it's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: like thirty seven or thirty eight, so they're gonna have
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: two picks right here. And I would say, I've been
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: watching football long enough. I don't know if they need
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: much help on defense.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: So offensive line, Omar Cooper.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tank Dell's injured. You you could go wide receiver,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: and you know Nico Collins has some concussions to me.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Offensive line though, Colin, it's I don't know what offensive
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: line is worthy of this pick, but I would be
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: stunned if either this pick or their high second round
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: pick is not an offensive lineman. You Tank Dell with
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: his knee injury and Nico, who's a fantastic player, but
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: he's just banged up. They did take is it? Uh?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: They took the Eyowa state wide receivers last year. They
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: were pretty good. Yeah, from the Texans, both of so
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I yeah to me. The defense, I mean they it's
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: gonna sound crazy. I feel like they have one of
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: the fastest defenses I've ever seen. Their defense. They got
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: elite corners, they got good linebacker play. Their pass rush
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: is unreal.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: It's just been let's be honest about it, it's been
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: kind of a mess.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: He's missed on a lot of picks. He's drafted guys,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: He's missed on picks. They've had some turnover with the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. I think that's kind of been a problem here.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: The elephant in the room. Though. Their quarterback has been
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: not great.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: No, he regressed badly.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Some of this is on the quarterback. This is a
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: quarterback friendly offense. He My big issue with him is CJ.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: There is nothing wrong with just trying to play like
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Jared Goff or Alex Smith, But I think CJ views
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: himself like I'm a star from high school Hiose State,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: and you watch him, it's like sometimes he thinks he's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. It's like Dimiko needs to sit him down.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Like CJ, did you see our defense? We got enough
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: guys on offense. Just play under control. We could win
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl if you were just average. I'd be
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: stunned if they don't go offense.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: They just did interior offensive lineman. The Texas take Keelan
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Rutledge from He's the Georgia Tech. He's one of the classic.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: He's like Gray's Abel, just a brawler guy in a
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: phone move, tough, burly, brawler, physical. I like, you know,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: when Woody Marks got banged up, they had no run game.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: They couldn't get any push on their offensive line. So
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: With it at all.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: He's just a big you know, he's your classic, tough,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman, burly, physical, bit of a mallor not
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: super athletic. But that's why he's on the interior and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: not at left tackle.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Well, think about what they've added, Colin. They added David Montgomery,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: who wanted out of Detroit's David Montgomery an old school
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: physical running back. Now you get a physical offensive lineman.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I think what they want to do is almost take
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: it out of CJ's hands. A little bit. Let's let's
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: get back to a team that can run the ball right,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: run the ball, play defense when your defense is that
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: good in that division. Because I I don't know where
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: you stand today on the Jags, I would probably pick
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: the Texans to day if you just tell me CJ
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: so them to win the division. I mean last year
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: they were right in until the end. And would they
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: start with oh and three? They got off to a
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: terrible start last year.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: They're the only Think about how good Seattle's defense was.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: The Rams ate it apart. Multiple times. The Rams could
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: not move the chains against the Texans. They couldn't. It
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: was like, I think they scored fourteen points. I think
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: they beat them, like fourteen to nine. Think about how
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: good the Seahawks defense was and the ease in which
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: the Rams moved the ball up and down the field
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: against it couldn't. They struggled to pick up first downs
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: against the Texans. That tells you how good Houston is defensively.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: So they go with an offensive lineman. All right, now
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: we're getting down to pick twenty seven. It's going to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: be the Niners, the Bills, another Kansas City, Miami, New England, Seattle,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: good God.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Niners just traded with Miami. So the Niners are going
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: back to thirty, Miami's coming up here to twenty seven.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is let's do a little guessing here.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Miami needs everything. Miami literally needs every Now I could
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: see Miami going wide receiver here.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you got to.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: They have nothing to work with, and I'm I don't
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: like their first pick. And I kind of thought between
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: the green Bay front office and the green Bay coach,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I thought they'd have it together. Oh god, I.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Feel like the Packers. Do you think the Packers over
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: the last twenty years, the Ron Wolf, the Ted Thompson,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Proctor's not really their type guy when I think the
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: green Bay Packers, Proctor, I so not only is it
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: a bold pick, the way the guy learned, you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: John Eric Sullivan, Troy Aikman's guy who's I've always heard
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: great things about that doesn't really feel like what green
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Bay does. They get much more reliable guys. I feel
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: like the back to you know, just kind of like tough.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know that that's I have a feeling.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: They're going to go Denzel Boston. You know, I grew
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: up a Husky fan I'm a little hit and miss
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: on him. You know, he's a couple of year starter.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: He's got you know, he's not a guy. He's not
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: explosive enough to beat like press coverage. I don't know
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: he's he's Denzel Boston.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: I mean I would take I would take Cooper over him.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: So oh, I would take Omar Cooper in a second.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Boston against better teams didn't produce. Go watch him against
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: like the top teams Washington played. He met his match physically.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Omar Cooper to me, you wouldn't move up for Denzel Boston.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: You'd move up for Omar Cooper.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they are to sign Malik Willis and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: to have multiple first round picks. I think once you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: trade Waddle, you feel kind of obligated to get a
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: skilled guy here because the running back is good, and
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: people are saying, well, do you think they'll trade him?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: And I started texting around what could they get for him?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of people thought that, like, you
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: could get a high one or a low two. He's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: he's a really explosive player, so all of a sudden,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: you get a good wide receiver. They took the corner,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: they took the San Diego State kid who I think.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Christian are good. But I well, it's a defensive coach.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure he wanted one of these picks
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: to be on his side of the ball San Diego.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: I feel pretty confident about saying this. I think Miami's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: got a chance to be the worst team in the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: league next year because the Jets do have good players,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: you know, they just do have some guys that you
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: would like. Obviously, the Bills and the uh and the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Patriots are gonna be good. Miami is gonna be hard
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: for them to win games. It's it's I'm a I'm
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: a Malik Willis fan, but it's one thing playing for
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: the LA floor. Who's a play caller, a play designer.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: It's an offensive you know, oriented coaching staff now come
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: to a first time defensive coordinator. They this could be
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: a tough year for for the Dolphins, which the world.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna read. I'm gonna read you what Zerline says,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: and this is probably why they took him. Average size,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: but the ability to play insider outside. Johnson is consistent
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: in mirroring the release, rarely labors when transitioning in route breaks.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: He can play insider out. Uh, he's not big, but
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: it's rarely a concern against bigger receivers. Uh. Just coverage, versatility, toughness, athleticism.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: This is where he was for the record, John, this
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: is where he was predicted to go late first round.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: So I think, I mean, listen to the two first
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: round picks. I'll take the second or third best corner
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't have injury issues. You can play him corner slot
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: or I'm fine with that. That's fine with me.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: I just text a couple of people. One thing I
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: would question with the smaller school guys is like last year,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: asking Genty turned down a million dollars to go to
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: big schools and he said he felt very loyal to boys.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: He was like, okay, totally get it. A couple of
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: years ago, Quinnon Mitchell from Toledo did the same thing.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: I always want to know, were all the big boys
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: all over this guy and he felt loyalty to the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: coaching staff because if they didn't, then the late bloomer.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: It just makes me a little nervous in this transfer
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: portal era when a guy I'm sure could go, I mean,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: if you're a first round player Oregon Texas, I mean
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: USC You go to all the big boys, and that's
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: the world we live in. Now, why did he stay
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: at San Diego State? Was he not a guy viewed
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: as a high level prospect a year ago? Obviously he's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: well liked in this class, which I just think in
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: this transfer portal era, one of my big questions marks
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: is why is he still at the small school? Which
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: is sad. I'm a small school guy at heart, but
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: I like my guys jumping up now.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: It should be knowed, it should be noted. Sauce Gardner,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: there's a safety out of Toledo. I will say this.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: There is something about defensive backs from smaller schools. True,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. You don't You don't
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: find a lot of small school you know, left tackles.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: You know, they're usually from the big boys or small
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: school safeties. You know, I shouldn't say safeties because they
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: do warn maks like.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Richard Truman went to Stanford, Revis went to pitt You
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: don't have to go to Florida or the main usc
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: the Quinnon Mitchell Mitchell went to Toledo.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there is something about DB's and wide receivers,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: speed positions, schools not as big a factor. But to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: find a six seven, three hundred and thirty pound offensive tackle,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: they're going to go to Alabama or Georgia, Texas, Michigan,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Ohio State.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Well, Josh Simmons last year, who the Chiefs took. He
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: started his career at San Diego State. But it's like, wait,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: this guy's a future first rounder. Ohio State gets them.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm Darius Slay Missippi State. I mean, there are
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: it's it's that's a fair argument.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Now Buffalo at twenty eight, I think they have to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: take defense. Now, the Patriots just traded up to twenty eight.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: It's interesting Buffalo and New England had a trade, Dallas
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: and Philadelphia had a trade. Like nobody cares anymore. I mean,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: the fact that the Patriots and the Bills can make
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: a trade, it tells you there's not there's not a
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: fear of the kind of player you're getting, right.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: No, that's this draft. Honestly, I've been told once you
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: get past like pick one hundred, you might see some
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: security guards making picks in the sixth round. You know
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: the Bills last year took or the Patriots last I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: guess the Bills traded out Patriots could take a wide
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: receiver here for sure, even if they're gonna trade for
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown. I mean they got Kyle Williams. Diggs is gone.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's Omar.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: They also, you know that their defense is well coached
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: in a solid unit. But beside Gonzalez, when I say
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: the New England Patriots, you know, it's not like they
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: have a lot of high end, elite, Pro Bowl level guys.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: So you could take a dB, you could take a
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: pass rusher. It's weird. They're a good I mean, they
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: were just in the Super Bowl, but their team doesn't
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: feel like the Denver Broncos right doesn't feel his high
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: end as Chargers.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Last year at Will Campbell, I think he's more interior
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: than left tackle.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: That they could take an offensive lineman here. They're one
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: of the rare Super Bowl teams that are like, yeah,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: we still got a lot of needs, you know.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: You know what, So Kansas City's picking twenty ninth, New
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: England moves ahead of the Chiefs.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: They took the Utah tackle, they took the.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Caleb lo move. How about that? Because they know Kansas
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: City is probably considering that that's interesting. Okay, So no,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: does that mean is he a left or a right?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: He can play both. I mean he was the left tackle.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: So my take is New England do they move? Do
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: they move Will Campbell inside or to the right.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: One thing, the one thing about Will Campbell and this
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: is he's played left tackle. I'm pretty sure his whole life.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Right he was a starting left tackle at LSU his
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: entire career. There. To just make a move, I think
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: we're guilty, and I'm guilty sometimes as anyone, just move
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: the guy. It's easier said than done, you know, just
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: to move him into left guard like that. That is
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: a pretty big right and left tackle. Like for pinay Sewel,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: he could do both with his eyes closed. Trent Williams
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: could do both with Lane Johnson if you needed him
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: in a pinch to go left tackle, no problem, you know,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: in his younger days. Some of these guys, though, to
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: move into guard when they've never played, I don't think
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: it's as easy as we like, well, hey he's guarding
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: the point guard. Have him guarded a small forward. It's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: not as easy of a transition. But I think one
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: thing was pretty clear in their Super Bowl run their
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: offensive lineman. Usually when your offensive line is playing like that,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: you don't win a bunch of playoff games.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: All right, So the Chiefs could use a wide receiver.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Obviously they need an edge. They have solved running back
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: in corner between Kenneth Walker and Delane from LSU, So
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: their big need is edge rusher.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Why I bet the Patriots. You know, one of Andy's
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: best friends in the world is Kyle Whittingham. Kyle Whittingham's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: son was on his staff. I think he just went
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: with his dad to Michigan. But he's been on the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: chief staff for like the last seven years. So the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: one thing they've taken a Utah guy. Andy Reid's taking
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of Utah and BYU players over the last
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: twenty five years. He knows us really, really well.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: So New England jumped Kansas City.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: And I still believe that the Chiefs offensive line, I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: understand Simmons is a question mark, but he's a pretty
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: elite special talent when he's on. Well, Creed Humphrey guard
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: center guard.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great. Create Humphrey is probably the first or
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: second best center in the sport. And Tray Smith's been
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: a home run.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: And the one thing with the Chiefs, because they were
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: bad last year. They have this pick and then they
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: pick They picked Peter. They have two picks in the
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: next ten picks.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Peter Woods, Clemson defensive tackle. So Chris Jones off year,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: they go get second best first, second best defense. It's
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: bad DT draft. But the Chiefs go out and get
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: with Chris Jones coming off highly expensive relative to his
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: talent a suboptimal year, they go get a defensive tackle,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Peter Woods, smart pick who defense with their first two picks.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who was viewed a couple of years ago as
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: a guy that could be the top five pick in
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: the draft. And then he has a down year. Clemson
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: has a bad year as a program. The other thing
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: is in the when you draft, you feel very good
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: about your coordinator handling these guys, right Spags if Spags
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: has signed off, like they're not drafting this defensive lineman
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: in this corner without Spags liking the guy, I mean,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: you're you know you're defense. This couple of years ago
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: when they transition off Tyreek Hill, they had an unreal
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: draft with Karl Loftis McDuffie Watson from Washington State, the
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: dB who I think is on the Rams now. They
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: hit on a ton of players. Because Spags might not
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: be a head coach, he is a pretty special defensive coordinator.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: And from an evaluation standpoint, from a motivational standpoint, the
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: other thing is when you have a Hall of Famer
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: in the unit, you get him around that guy, it's you.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: It's pretty conducive to success. All you gotta tell us
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Peter Wood was just watch what Chris Jones does? You know?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Follow him. We'll show you Chris Jones. We want to
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: make you the next Chris Jones. So yeah, I think
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: the I would guess the Chiefs probably go offensive line,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: maybe a pick forty, but they definitely needed some defensive
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: help because defense they were defensive team a couple of
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: years ago. Last year they weren't quite as powerful, especially
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: the pass rush. They're gonna need Carlftis to be.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: The Niners are on the clock. They need an edge,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: they need an offensive lineman.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: They could kind of honestly take any position here they need.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I think they may take They may draft two safeties
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: in this year's class. I'll say the Jets are trading
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: back in with the forty nine.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Ers, So Niners trade back twice.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: So the Jets jump ahead. How about that?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Who would they be trading back into the first round four.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: I guess they're not moving up that far.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Mar Omar Cooper, I mean the Jets. Let's go back
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: and look at the Jets. How many picks they have
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: so well, they had a rush end David Bailey. I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: think we both thought that was a smart pick. Then
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: they get a playmaker Kenyon Sadik. How about get another
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: playmaker for Garrett Wilson. So then you'd have Garrett Wilson,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Kenyon Sadek and get Omar Cooper. That's now you got something.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: And they're all by the way for your quarterback next year.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: They're all generationally young guys growing together.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: You do so have Breis Hall and the roster. Offensive wise,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: if you if you hit on this wide receiver, they
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: have tackles. They like their offensive tackles they actually have.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying that they are. They're much
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: better equipped this year than Miami.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Yep. Oh the top if you combine those teams, the
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: top ten players, they have nine of them. Yeah, but
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: what the Jets don't have is the key to the league.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Quarterback are a head coach. But who I mean, if
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: you if you start looking at the Jets talent. Yeah,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn, he got his pass rusher, he got a playmaker,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: and there's no quarterback here. I mean, if you know,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: the guy that dropped out of this was Fulk that
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: the rush end from Auburn, who's I was told this
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: by an NFL general manager because I had I did
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: a mock draft and send it to him and he said,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: folk won't go as high I had him like seventeen.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: He's like, he's he may he may plummet. One of
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: those guys that it just you keep thinking he's going
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: to produce and he's just not productive enough, has all
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: the measurables.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: I wonder if the Jets are going to be too good,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: you know, to be well too good relative to what
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: you know. People thought that there's going to be some
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: lock to be the one or two pick. Like to me,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: if Gino isn't as terrible as he was last year
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: and chose some signs of Seattle, all of a sudden,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: are the Jets draft in tenth instead of second? Because
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: if you play out the last season even coming into it,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: they didn't have an interception statistically.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: They just took Omar Cooper.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's just that makes sense to me.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: That's pretty damn good, best pure edge rusher, a wide
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: receiver that they needed, and somebody, I think universally, if
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: he was not taken in the first round, somebody would
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: have traded up at the top because you know, the
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Raiders would love to get Omar Cooper right to go
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: with Fernando Mendoza.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: I like, that's a close surprise that forty nine ers
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: didn't just take him right there.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: By the Jets a lot. I think that you know, listen, man,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: they had three good receivers in Indiana, and that guy
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: was the guy. There was a lot of big plays
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: to him down the stretch. That's a good pick.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe they just know what they're doing here in the draft.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, they got the best edge rusher, a
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: uni universally respected wide receiver. And again Kenyon Sadiq said.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: He's just he's it's a riskier pick. He's kind of
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: you know, can be a little hit or miss. I
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: think people thought that he again failed it in this year,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: but the expectations were really high. He didn't quite think.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Also this staff, he won't flourish. But I think if
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: you got the right offensive staff, he's he's a chess piece.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: He's like a I'm not saying he's as talented as
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: the late Air Tornetez. He's not. But I'm saying in
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Oregon they used in a lot of different ways. You
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: can you can use Kenyon Sadique a lot of different ways.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's the NFL? They're only thirty two jobs,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: but and the Jets roster might not be terrible, but
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: are people going to be lined up to come work
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: for wood He if they just, you know, if this
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: guy doesn't, you know, gets fired in the middle of
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: the year, the Jets would feel because the one thing
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: the Giants had is the Mara family could just sit
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: down and talk with John Harbaugh. It feels real now.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: The Jets just feel pretty chaotic in a day and
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: age where there's not really that many chaotic teams in
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: the anymore.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Ten teams replace their coaches. And I was thinking about
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: this the other day. You can't have another ten openings
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  Speaker 1: next year. You're not gonna literally turn over two thirds
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: of the league in two years. My guess is there's
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: a couple like Schottenheimer was better than we thought in Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was gonna be a circus.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: I could argue they overachieved. So if he's at least competent,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, the Bengals are cheap, I mean do they
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: They're not going to pay big money for a coach,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: and Zach got to a super Bowl. You start looking
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: at the coaching. Sean McDermott was hot seat. He's gone
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: all the hot seat guys. You know, Mike Tomlin got bounced.
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  Speaker 1: So if you start looking, I mean Aaron Glenn is
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: hot seat number one. There's not a lot of hot
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: seat guys going in to next year.
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  Speaker 2: Well, even if you say, let's say Zach Taylor fair
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: he's on the hot seat. Don't you think the Bengals
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: be pretty good this year? I got to me, I
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: sitting here right now, I'd pick them to win that division.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, when Burrow was healthy, they
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: were nine to eight in their defense. Was their defense
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: going to be better? Mafe Dexter Lawrence, I think the
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: Bengals could be pretty solid, Like who's I guess the
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Colts would be one team They've kind of rode this
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: out for a while. If Daniel Jones is not healthy
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: and they were a disaster. But the Titans have a
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: new coach.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: The Dolphins got everybody's banging on this draft. If you
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: can get Caleb Blomu with a twenty eighth pick and
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Omar Cooper with the thirtieth pick, those are good football players.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think kind of grows.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: John, I bet you the Bills. Do you think they
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: take that safety from Toledo McNeil Warren. I feel like they.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Had no safety. He was pretty good. If I was them,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: I'd go defensive line.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: The Zion Seahawks last year.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe take the big defensive tackle from Ohio State. You know,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: last year the Bills took the Kentucky corner in the
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: first round. I would probably take a defensive lineman here.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: All right, Tennessee just traded up. Sala just traded up
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: to the thirty first pick. So Buffalo was at the
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: twenty sixth pick. They moved down to Houston, and then
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: they went down. Buffalo went down with New England. So
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Buffalo just keeps moving back. They're accumulating picks.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: So the Titans, the Niners, Bills just kept going backwards.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Yep. The Bills and the forty nine ers good teams.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Let's go backwards.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I could see them going defense here. They could
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: go the safety, they'd go a pass rusher. They were
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: gonna go.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: I bet you, I bet you the Titans go safety.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: That's that's my hunch.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: I mean they could use why they trade back into
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: the first round for it.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: They could also use an edge. They could also use
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: offensive line. I mean they have a lot of needs.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Linebacker, yeah, they take they could take anybody here.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I mean they have Jeffrey Simmons and then just a
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: bunch of needs.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: That's why I thought they'd go Sonny Styles, and they
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: easily could have hopped I mean, all these teams were
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: willing to do deals. They could have hopped back into
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: the first round. I personally would rather have Sonny Styles
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: and Omar Cooper then Tate and then we'll see who
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: they take here. That's I'm a to me the wide
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: receiver thing in the top of the round. He's got
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: to be a guy in the first round that I
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: think can be one of the best players in the league.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Or I'm just taking a guy that at a different
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: position than I believe that and I'm a Robert Solid guy.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: I was a little that must have been the Kyle
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: Shanahan influence on him to take that to take. Were
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: you surprised when Tate came on the television.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: I was because I think he's a low end one.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: I've said, my guys all liked him. Nobody loved him.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Everybody liked him. He's those Ohio State guys just at practice.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: You know, we used to always say this about Alabama
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Georgia guys, you're practicing against first round guys. I mean,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: if you're a wide receiver at Georgia, you're we're practicing
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: against Georgia's safeties and corners. We're all first and second
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: round guys. So Tate is going up against Caleb Downs,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: He's going up against NFL corners. And so all these
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Ohio State receivers come into the league and they're all good.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Immediately they're like they feel like they're older than their book.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: IBUCA JSN. Titans are okay. So I don't love this pick.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Titans taking Keldric Folk. It's the Auburn guy who again
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: they need an edge. So Sala is looking for an
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: edge and maybe Sala thinks I can coach him up.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: He was the classic looks like he should be better
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: than he is. Always just a little late the tackle,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: not as productive as he should be. But again at
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: this spot at thirty one, he'll be a starter for them.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sala did this back when he's on the Niners
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: with kin Law. Remember when they traded Buckner, and you
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: know kin Law was a really risky pick, looked like
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: he should be a Hall of Famer. Did not necessarily
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: play like that. So you can get caught up with
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: the traits and what I can make you on the
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. I just would have I would rather
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: had sunny styles, no more cooper than the group that
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: they got. The other thing is I just got some
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: text back on the San Diego State Johnson. I was like,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: why didn't he transfer the text? I just guy said
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: the same thing as GENTI stayed very loyal to them
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: because they were on him when no one else was.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: So that's I do like my smaller school guys in
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: this anil era to have the big boys all over them,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: and if they stay, I got no issue with it.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: And they also come in with a chip on their shoulder.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: To me, the folk, the woods, the type players that
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: have the ability to be a top ten pick, and
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: the just the season ends and they underwhelm, always make
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: me nervous. They're just very, very risky. Yeah, I think
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: SLA would say that's what I do. I'm a defensive guy.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: I'm a motivator. Spags would say the same. Those guys, though,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: are to me always the big swing and misses, and
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: now they can also be a home run.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: So McCoy the corner from Tennessee is Seattle. Now he's
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: got some health stuff, but he was considered the second
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: or third best corner in this draft. Seahawks are like
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Howie Roseman. They get good players falling to him. So
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: my take on I could say Seattle taking a corner.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: There's not a running back. I don't think in this
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: spot I could see him taking a corner. They don't
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: I mean the Toledo sit. I mean they got safeties.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: Terrell the corner from from Clemson, he would know. I
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: mean they obviously they just paid JSN a bunch of money.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: But you get a guy I picked thirty two. You know,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: he's not very expensive. He would know Boston really well
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: right going into school there. John Wood, I don't know
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: if he would do that.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: I thought against better competition, Boston Meta's match when I
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: heard late first round pick. I think he's more of
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: a mid second.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, the defensive line is really good, but they
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: could just double down on it now Jeremiah loves in
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: the division. You still got Kyle Shanahan, he wants to
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: run the ball, Caden McDonald the big defense.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not looking at best players left. What are they
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: saying on best players left?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean McCoy's clearly the number one. But anytime
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: you got a knee injury, then you got Toledo, you
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: got the Clemson corner, you got Boston, you got Cad
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: McDonald the defensive tackles, more of a run stuffer. Yeah,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: but to me, physical player like he would be right
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: up John Schneider's alley Zion Young Like. It wouldn't surprise
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: me at all if they just keep doubling down on
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: the defensive line, because the one thing with they have
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: a bunch of dbs and their coach is a dB master,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: So like the one place where you can get you know,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: once you get past the first couple of rounds, it's
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: harder to find the body types at the defensive line.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: What's his name, Leonard Williams. Getting a little older, right,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: So they just lose Mafey. Charles Casius Howell would have
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: been a guy I feel like Pete would have liked.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: That's that's it, am Pastor. He's got shorter arms though,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: quarter from from the other corner.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Jadarian Price, the running back from Notre Dame interesting, also
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: a good return guy. Interesting. He was the second best
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: running back. You know, it's so funny because Jeremiah Love
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: got so much press that nobody paid attention to this
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: running back. But if if you he would have been
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: if it not for Love, who's really like an I
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: don't even know his compa is Jamir Gibbs, like it
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: just he looks different than other running backs. Price was
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: a really good running back for them. He can do.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: He also gets he returns kicks.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic, fantastic, very explosive player. I mean, this is
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: you lose Kenneth Walker Charbonne's injured right tears his knee.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: So they did. And this is a bat to me.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: If it's a deeper running back draft, I bet he's like,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: we can get this. This is viewed as I've had
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: some friends tell me the worst running back draft they've
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: ever seen.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: No people say it's a two running back draft class.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: So typically you're like John Seinner'd be like, we'll just
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: draft a guy in the third round. You know he'll
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: start for us or play for US. I don't think
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: you feel comfortable doing that. So the other thing about drafting,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: when you win the Super Bowl, they don't draft again
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: until the late, you know, sixty four. So the pretty
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: decent chance that this guy goes somewhere between there. I know,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: I think he had mentioned at his press conference because
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: this is a guy that a lot of people had
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: had kind of linked to Seattle. I almost thought it
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: just made too much sense. I'm like, that's usually not
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: how it works. But it actually happened, all.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Right, John hour and a half. First time since twenty fifteen,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: the SEC didn't have the most first round picks, the
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  Speaker 1: Big ten had the most, with ten.
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