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Ep. 084: Grizzlies in Camp! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: with what goes on. Um, I'm drinking bourbon right now,
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  Speaker 1: which I just do not like. I think that. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I remember one time I got grounded for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: My dad let us go on a canoe trip instead
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  Speaker 1: of being grounded, which I still don't fully understand how
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  Speaker 1: why he let us do that. But we were grounded
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  Speaker 1: for for lying and and inn lying some more to
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  Speaker 1: to to cover up the lie. And then things went
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  Speaker 1: down hill from there and we got grounded, but we're
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  Speaker 1: allowed to go on a Conune trip. I remember sitting
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  Speaker 1: and drinking. I was fifteen, my brother was sixteen, and
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  Speaker 1: I remember sitting there at the head of the White
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  Speaker 1: River um drinking. I think it was Canadian hunter. And
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  Speaker 1: since that day, I just have never liked this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Is that even bourbon? That's Canadian whiskey. It's a blending
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  Speaker 1: this stuff man bloom, Yeah, any of this stuff, I like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Roman vodka. This has gotta be one of the more
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  Speaker 1: boring beginnings that I've done. Mark, What do you see
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  Speaker 1: this morning here in camp? Well, this is Mark Kenyon
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  Speaker 1: pulled up in my tent door and literally the first
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  Speaker 1: thing I saw, not the grass, not the sky, Mama
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  Speaker 1: Grizzly and cub riding camp five ft away from the crew,
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  Speaker 1: the very tent we're sitting in. Yeah, oh yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: in a tent right now. If you hear like noise,
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  Speaker 1: pitter pattern noise, that's rain. So if you don't like
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  Speaker 1: the sound quality of this show, that means you don't
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  Speaker 1: like nature, So you should go listen to the Rob
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  Speaker 1: Bishop podcast. But but this is uh yeah, the pitter
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  Speaker 1: patter sounds and we've had like um, yeah, Johnny talk
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  Speaker 1: about the grizzly, the other grizzly, A lot of grizz Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was the wee'd already. We think more than likely
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  Speaker 1: that was the same Mama. Oh, I know, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: saying that we had we We've been watching the sound
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  Speaker 1: or cub for better well, probably half a day yesterday
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  Speaker 1: as they ate berries as a vacuum berries across the tundra.
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  Speaker 1: But the first grizz was also right below camp and
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  Speaker 1: we had just come in after looking at some caribou,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, it was the first day we got here,
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  Speaker 1: so we couldn't hunt. Ye in Alaska generally think it's
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  Speaker 1: fair to say germally, in Alaska generally you cannot hunt
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  Speaker 1: on the same day you fly, preventing people from spying
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  Speaker 1: a critter from the air and then landing near it
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  Speaker 1: and shooting let a nighttime pass. I believe now that
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  Speaker 1: um because they felt like even the day before was
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  Speaker 1: giving too much advantage. I believe there are some sheep
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  Speaker 1: units now where it's up to like three or four
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  Speaker 1: or five days. That's a fact checked out. But I
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  Speaker 1: think there's guys that have to go in and basically
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  Speaker 1: scout for five days. Before they hunt if they want
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  Speaker 1: to take a plane in or or you can walk in. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know they're like, there's some stuff with not even
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  Speaker 1: be able to uh, not being able to scout from
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  Speaker 1: the are difficult doing force, but not being able to
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  Speaker 1: scout from there? There we are, there, we are are
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  Speaker 1: you guys had all gotten back to camp first, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: what's that doing? I must have just peeled off to
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  Speaker 1: get a little footage looking at something, and uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I noticed a big blonde blob right below Geart's tent.
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  Speaker 1: I came over here and we walked over the edge
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  Speaker 1: and found it. And it's probably what, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards away. We saw it, we washed it
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  Speaker 1: hunting it was. It wasn't eating berries, it was hunting rodents,
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  Speaker 1: ground squirrels. I guess it needs mostly ground squirrels. Or
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  Speaker 1: is it like a vole mole type thing there? I
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  Speaker 1: mean they could be voles moles. They could be looking
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  Speaker 1: for something subterranean. Because today on the way hike back
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  Speaker 1: we saw some of the diggings and it's like they
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  Speaker 1: just take two or three quick swipes, dig a hole
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  Speaker 1: about a foot deep and then move on. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: amazing well, how much trouble they'll go through to unearth
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  Speaker 1: something so small. Yeah, but it's if you think about
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  Speaker 1: its probably don't mean power bar probably has more calories
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  Speaker 1: than one of these things that they're eating. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: they'll dig up, you know, a bunch of head sized
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  Speaker 1: boulders and dig a big hole to get it out.
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  Speaker 1: But then if you looked at how much time he
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  Speaker 1: needs he spends to get that caloric value of blueberries,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably still a good deal to dig up ground squirrels. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you think spends more energy sucking up blueberries. What I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: it's like just to you know, watching them eat blueberries
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  Speaker 1: is voraciously as the blueberries, where it almost seems like
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  Speaker 1: they're really mad at the blueberries. Um, that takes time
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  Speaker 1: to write. So if you put if you put a
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  Speaker 1: couple of minutes into a ground squirrel, it might be
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  Speaker 1: that you're getting more calories. And if you put a
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  Speaker 1: couple of minutes into eating lower quantity blueberries, So does
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  Speaker 1: that grizzly then well then we had a whole other adventure.
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  Speaker 1: You know what. Let's go, we'll take it in somewhat
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  Speaker 1: chronological order. I'm gonna like, let me lay some ground
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  Speaker 1: one we talked about the dr day, we're out hunting. Um.
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  Speaker 1: We're in a tent out hunting caribou in what is
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  Speaker 1: called the forty Mile Herd. So there's a river near here,
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  Speaker 1: the forty Mile River, and and the was a caribou
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  Speaker 1: heard here called the forty Mile Herd. Now I'm being
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  Speaker 1: highly redundant. We've been discussing this every which way on
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  Speaker 1: our hunt. But in Alaska you have about thirty five
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  Speaker 1: herds of caribou. UM. A herd is defined down to
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  Speaker 1: groupings of caribou that have distinctive calving summering grounds. So
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  Speaker 1: these herds might overlap in the winter, but they have
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  Speaker 1: distinct having summering grounds. So there's thirty five groupings of
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  Speaker 1: caribou of varying numbers. The forty Mile Herd is comprised
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  Speaker 1: of about fifty thousand caribou right now. The number fluctuates wildly.
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  Speaker 1: So in the twenties it was down to caribou no, no, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's when it was at its high. Clarify a mark
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  Speaker 1: well in the twenties because of one of the theories,
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned during our hunt, was that because of
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  Speaker 1: domesticated dogs coming in with a lot of the miners
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  Speaker 1: and different people homesteady and checking it up. Possibly disease
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  Speaker 1: was transferred to the wolves. You had such a low
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  Speaker 1: predator population that that prey population the caribook exploded. I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember the numbers. Quarter million, quarter million, five times
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  Speaker 1: as many as today in the twenties incredible, and then
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  Speaker 1: by the seventies I believe it was that number had
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  Speaker 1: dropped as low as seventy three that did an account,
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  Speaker 1: and this herd had six thousand, five hundred caribou, which
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  Speaker 1: is the lowest it's been and known his On the
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  Speaker 1: bright side though, right it's it's rebounded again and now
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  Speaker 1: it's held steady that they just did a new account.
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  Speaker 1: Um the figures aren't in yet, and these are pretty
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  Speaker 1: accurate accounts because they're waiting until the they're waiting until
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  Speaker 1: the cariboo are bunched up in the summer on feeding grounds,
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  Speaker 1: and then there they get heavily pressured by mosquitoes and
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  Speaker 1: it forces them to go into these groupings in like
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  Speaker 1: a little ideal habitat places like on snow fields or
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  Speaker 1: wind swept ridges where you get away from the bugs,
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  Speaker 1: and it gets some grouped up pretty tight and so
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  Speaker 1: they'll fly surveys at those times, and it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: not like crazy ship like when you're trying to count
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  Speaker 1: wolves or trying to count grizzlies when you're running like models.
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  Speaker 1: They're out literally photographing and counting caribit. Yeah, it was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: When I was flying in, my pilot was talking about
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  Speaker 1: the process and he said that for a handful of
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  Speaker 1: years now they've been trying to do this, but it
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  Speaker 1: takes such a specific set of circumstances to get the
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  Speaker 1: cariboo to group up to that degree where you can
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  Speaker 1: get that done accurately, that for three or four years
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  Speaker 1: they've been trying to haven't been able to get it.
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  Speaker 1: And then, like you said, just this year, finally they
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  Speaker 1: did have those circumstances, They got the right conditions, so
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  Speaker 1: they'll have some new numbers, which is interesting. Yeah, I think,
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  Speaker 1: like earlier, there's some sort of evidence that suggests that
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  Speaker 1: the hurd has seems to have helped have stabilized at
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  Speaker 1: around fifty thousand. But see that caribra herds are like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, wildly cyclical, and it's not always understood what's
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  Speaker 1: causing them to go up and down. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: a valve that they can use to to to a
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  Speaker 1: valve that can be turned our wolves. So they did
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  Speaker 1: a mortality study up here. There's two thousand four. They
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  Speaker 1: did a mortality study up here, and at the time
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  Speaker 1: they had they figured at a time they had north
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  Speaker 1: of forty six thousand caribou and they had some collaring
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  Speaker 1: projects going on. They did a mortality studying. They figured
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  Speaker 1: that in a year, if you ever heard of forty
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  Speaker 1: six I think it was like an estimated forty six thousand,
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  Speaker 1: five hundred caribou. And in a year they figure seven
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  Speaker 1: thousand are killed by wolves, around four thousand are killed
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  Speaker 1: by grizzly bears, around two thousand, five hundred are killed
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  Speaker 1: by other pre editors, about a thousand die by accidents,
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  Speaker 1: drowning and rock slides and all kinds of are things,
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  Speaker 1: and and avalanches are a bitch on caribou. And then
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  Speaker 1: about those I think they not about they know this
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  Speaker 1: one exactly. I think goes eight hundreds some killed by
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  Speaker 1: human hunters um And that's a lot of attrition, man,
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  Speaker 1: But the herd still grew from there, just from from
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  Speaker 1: you know, just natural birth. So that's where we are hunting.
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  Speaker 1: The forty mile heard, the forty mile heard, Like in
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  Speaker 1: Alaska they have weight somewhout different tag types on this show,
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  Speaker 1: like different hunting permits where you have you know, over
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  Speaker 1: the counter tags, limited draw tags. Um, we gotta like
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  Speaker 1: put your name in a lottery to get awarded a
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  Speaker 1: hunting permit, governor's tags where like they go to the
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  Speaker 1: highest bidder um which is very contentious cont tag the
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  Speaker 1: contag you hunt when you hunt the forty mile heard
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  Speaker 1: is a is a registration permit and they they have
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  Speaker 1: they have a mortality cap. There's a certain number of
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  Speaker 1: animals that will allow to be killed and then they'll
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  Speaker 1: end the season. But anyone that comes to hunts needs
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  Speaker 1: to register to do the hunt. So we're hunting on
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  Speaker 1: registration tags and um. When this herd right now, they're
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  Speaker 1: very far removed from any kind of roads. But now
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  Speaker 1: and then this herd will drift over and get out
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  Speaker 1: of the highway near the highway system where people can
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  Speaker 1: really get after him, and the hunt can end in
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  Speaker 1: days because so many people get after him. But right
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  Speaker 1: now they're very well. They have like a moat of
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  Speaker 1: they're protected by a vast moat of roadless, riverless country
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  Speaker 1: like you just can't get in done what to get
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  Speaker 1: in here as an aircraft. And you can't hunt using
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  Speaker 1: rotary wing aircraft. You can only hunt out of fixed
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  Speaker 1: wing aircraft. So you're gonna use fixed wing aircraft to
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  Speaker 1: transport for hunting. And so there's very limited places to
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  Speaker 1: put a plane down. You know, you can't just go
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  Speaker 1: laying on the plane like you can a helicopter. So
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  Speaker 1: they're wee well buffet right now. Um, and we flew
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  Speaker 1: in how long was I think last year? Um? For context,
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  Speaker 1: I think last year and we were here, we flew
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  Speaker 1: out on around they're back in toke and the and
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  Speaker 1: the quota was filled, was it? Yeah? Or they were
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  Speaker 1: saying they were saying that there was one or two
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  Speaker 1: or three left, but like it was, it was nearing
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  Speaker 1: the end. The galley checked me and said that the
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  Speaker 1: one that we killed that I killed was probably one
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  Speaker 1: of the last ones. I didn't I didn't even catch that.
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  Speaker 1: When did the season starting? Yeah, that we're not percent
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  Speaker 1: year on sou Yeah, flew in using an air carrier.
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  Speaker 1: So we've we've got our names in um what was
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  Speaker 1: it two thousand seventeen. Now, we we made a plan,
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  Speaker 1: like we made a reservation to fly into this area
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  Speaker 1: back in two thousand and sixteen. It's like you gotta
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  Speaker 1: be you know, early bird gets the worm out on booking,
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  Speaker 1: on booking a bush pilot if you want a good
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  Speaker 1: reputable bush pilot. So we made a reservation a long
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  Speaker 1: time ago to get flown in to this area and
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  Speaker 1: flew in here, landed you canunt. On the first day,
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  Speaker 1: went into a little scout about and shp loads of
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  Speaker 1: Cariboan like we're in the herds moving, but how many?
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  Speaker 1: How many do we see the first day, first day
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  Speaker 1: of hunting, her first day scouting, first day of scouting,
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  Speaker 1: hundred give or take dozens and dozens and dozens and
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  Speaker 1: dozens dozens. Um ran into that grizzly that night any
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  Speaker 1: time datnight. No, no, but we only like we're scouting
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  Speaker 1: for a couple of hours time we got our camp
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  Speaker 1: set up. The whole time we're setting our camp, this cable.
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  Speaker 1: Then um, the first day we wake up, we go
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  Speaker 1: and get on a glass and tit and then it
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  Speaker 1: was like then they were just coming through. That was hundreds,
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  Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, easily hundreds of at least five hundreds.
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  Speaker 1: It was. It's kind of interesting though, when and we
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  Speaker 1: talked about this being maybe like a product of our
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  Speaker 1: our Discovery Channel world we live in where we just
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  Speaker 1: understand these areas based on a nature documentary. But when
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  Speaker 1: I envisioned coming out here and seeing hundreds or thousands
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  Speaker 1: of cariboos, I imagine this one single large mass, like
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  Speaker 1: an amiba of cariboo flowing down the hillside. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not like that. We see hundreds and hundreds of caribou,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like a trickle, but it's like endless trickle.
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  Speaker 1: Or here here's a dozen, or there's two, or there's five,
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  Speaker 1: But you can look any different direction and here they are,
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  Speaker 1: and there's more, there's more. Probably single biggest group is
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  Speaker 1: that we've seen, I don't know, like on top of
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  Speaker 1: those flats. That's a good point mark that you bring up, um,
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  Speaker 1: is that if you, okay, imagine that, it's like plopped
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  Speaker 1: you down here with with If I just plopped you
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  Speaker 1: down and gave you a pair of bnoculars and said,
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  Speaker 1: describe what you're seeing, you wouldn't say, oh, I'm watching
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  Speaker 1: a caribou migration. You would think I'm seeing a like
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  Speaker 1: a scattering of caribou everywhere I look. But then a
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  Speaker 1: couple of hours later, you might be like, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: noticing that this scattering of cariboos spread out over many miles,
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  Speaker 1: are sort of kind of moving east, sort of kind
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  Speaker 1: of being the key the key words sort of kind
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  Speaker 1: of moving east, except for when they really are hauling
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  Speaker 1: ass east um. And they move not like in like
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  Speaker 1: not like in hardnal directions, but they're so they're just
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  Speaker 1: following contours, hitting like going down ridge lines, upstreams, catching
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  Speaker 1: little saddles and passes, and I think that the whole
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  Speaker 1: moving mass of caribou. So you have fifty thousand cariboo
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  Speaker 1: on the move, but the front, if you will, like like,
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  Speaker 1: it's fifty thousand cariboos spread over twenty twenty mile width.
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  Speaker 1: That's what my pilot had told me, moving in an
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  Speaker 1: easterly direction, and you're somewhere in that twenty miles, and
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  Speaker 1: when you're on a good tip, you're looking at let's
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  Speaker 1: say three miles three mile width or two mile width,
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  Speaker 1: and they have this way of like kind of following
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  Speaker 1: each other. But it changes, not just throughout, it changes
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  Speaker 1: day to day and also throughout the day where you'll
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  Speaker 1: see a band come through and then a while later
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  Speaker 1: a band that isn't related to that band will follow
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  Speaker 1: their exact line, and you realize that you're witnessing in
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  Speaker 1: like from your glass and tip, you're picking out that
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  Speaker 1: there's sort of like today for instance, we had remember
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  Speaker 1: their carry we were calling ridge runner. I don't know live.
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  Speaker 1: We call all caribou fabio because the males are getting
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  Speaker 1: their winter pellage and they get a big long, white
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  Speaker 1: flowing main. But uh, there's that line okay, going down
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  Speaker 1: the ridge, crossing the river and then coming up by
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  Speaker 1: by Nipple Peak. Then there's like the line of going
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  Speaker 1: up that creek all the way to its head and
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  Speaker 1: crossing by gut Pile number one. Then there's a line
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  Speaker 1: of coming across the high mesa by the by the
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  Speaker 1: by the terraced plateau and then peeling off and going
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  Speaker 1: down through the um spruce. Then there's sort of a
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  Speaker 1: line that comes off the terraced Mesa and just comes
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  Speaker 1: right down through gut Pile one. I love the vocabulary
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  Speaker 1: with our developed to describe our entire set. Have to. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's certain themes that come up anatomical parts. That's pretty
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  Speaker 1: consistent every hunting place that anatomical parts generally female, no no, no,
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  Speaker 1: definitely not actually like a scroll mountain and just you
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  Speaker 1: know what they're are kind of resent that because when
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  Speaker 1: I say nipple, beute thinking male nipples. Yeah, female nipples
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  Speaker 1: because of this nothing nothing sexually. No, you're no, you're yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that like ships, people tend to name. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's like a name you're in dear too. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot more Maggie's nipples on the maps, and
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  Speaker 1: there are Fred's nipples. That's true now, you know by
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  Speaker 1: our fish shack um nem. Not not gonna say this
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  Speaker 1: never mind. Another point though about the migration too, because
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you think, like, man, they are really going every
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  Speaker 1: single direction, but like you said, it's like twenty miles wide,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's forty miles long, who knows, And within the
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  Speaker 1: just your little uh you know zone that you can see,
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  Speaker 1: they could be going north for a little while, but
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  Speaker 1: end up still like eventually, over the course of three days,
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  Speaker 1: they've still moved east. You might have even seen him
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  Speaker 1: going west for a little bit through the whole time
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you saw him, they were going west. But again, over
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the course of three days, they eventually ended up farther
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: east than they were at the beginning. Of three days.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense because you're just like, You're like,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: these things are going to every direction, but in the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: course of three days, they they're like going the direction
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: they're supposed to be going. I think that if you
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: took any caribou and marked them at when we get
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: up on our glass and knob, and then you marked
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that caribos any care where we see, you marked his
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: location and then remarked it eight hours later, that new
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: mark would be in some way east. Over the course
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of eight hours, he would have moved eastward by whatever routed.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: And then they get disturbed and then do weird stuff,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and they'll they'll get disturbed and go back direction they
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: came from. Something. I gotta I gotta have you clarified,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: because I thought it was really cool on the on
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the terms of migration is like when Mark got his caribou,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you made the comment that this caribou more than likely
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: had never been in that area before, and it were
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: at the same like a lot of a lot of
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the area we're hiking on and hunting on, there's a
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: good chance there hasn't been you know, humans. I mean
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: there there could be, but yeah, just like there's a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: lot of little places you could walk to be reasonable,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that like pretty reasonable that you could be like, I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: bet you know guys ever stepped right here before, but
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: not unreasonable. On the same note, though, how these caribou
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they're not like this is not their area. They're just
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: passing through. So you're they're seeing the country for the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: first time to some extent, and you're seeing them in
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: that that space for the first time, which is crazy
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that they're just passing through. But they still have all
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: these trails just beaten down into the mountain. When you're
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: flying over, you can't believe the trails, like thousands of
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: years of caribou walk in the path. It's like, you know,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it's pretty fragile ground. Everything is extremely slow going, so
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you can have you know, it's probably possible that you
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: can have a hundred cariboo comes stamping down something and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: then a year later, see, I mean it's a it's
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a fragile landscape. Man. A year later it would be
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that that vegetation hasn't recuperated. Now, you do that down
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: in southeast and the the rainforests eats it back up.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: But here it's like if you you know you're walking
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: on mosses and lichens, and they just cut trails everywhere.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not like a trail is being used
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: every day. But yeah, yeah. To to the to Dirt's point,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: which is a point I was making, is that an
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: interesting thing about caribo in some Cariboo migrate a thousand
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: miles you know, um, these ones don't. They don't migrant
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: you know that far. But it's reasonable that not a
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: reasonable probable that when you're watching caribou, you're very likely
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: seeing them passed through a place for the first time
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: in their life, especially if it's not like a particularly
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: old animal, because they take these routes, these routes very
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: like like, for instance, a couple of years ago, this
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: much of this herd. And again you can't always say
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: like the herd, because then some will peel off and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: do their own thing and not stay with the main grouping.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But a couple of years ago this group wound up
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: going into Ukon territory and winnering in Yukon territory, and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: then that hasn't happened again in a few years. So
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: they don't have, you hear, like like term five ledy
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: with wildlife. They don't have fidelity, just specific zones. Um,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: they have like some places they go habitually, but they
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: take different routes going through there. And then again it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: only like in a general sense where they're going to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: show up. So like if you get used to you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: white tailed deer who lives his whole life within what Yeah,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I mean they can expand beyond that for a day
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: or two or weeks here and there, you know, during
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the rut. But a core a core range could be
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: forty acres and then a little larger maybe three acres.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: They spend another five percent other time. But tight, yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: long story, shorts. Tight. So I already said I don't
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: wanna talk about who's here real quick. Um, as Mark
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Kenyon from do you mainly like like your main gig
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: is Wired to Hunt, the Wired Hunt guy. I'm the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Wired Hunt guy. That is what keeps the mortars paid.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So Mark Colsa a politic cast called podcast called wire
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to Hunt and and focuses um a lot of his
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: love and attention on on America's dear and that's the truth.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And then uh, as though dealing poker. But you have
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: a website too, right, yeah, yeah, so start out just
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: as a website Wired Hunt was a website and then
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: expanded to a podcast. The website was just like Tips Tricks,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: it starts a blog, so it was how twos and
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: then my own experiences and stories and news and conservation
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff related to the white
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: tail YouTube the whole nine yards. Why the name Wired Hunt.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: You're playing on two things there. Yeah. Yeah, So the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: long the short story would be, I was working an
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: internship in New York City and my job was basically
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: two work with bloggers and the digital media to help
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: promote products. And so I read all sorts of stuff
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: related to that Wired magazine being one of them, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: also so that just would always bring to my mind
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: different things related to technology everything like that, and I
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: wanted to create a deer hunting website but for the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: next generation that was tech savvy, and also the audience
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: would be tech savvy. But then also the way I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: would communicate things that related to deer hunting would be
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in a different way. So that's where weird Hunt came.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: So that the the tech side, but then also I'm
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: just wired different, right, those people that absolutely love to hunt.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: You're wired to hunt. It's in your blood. It's just
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: part of you. So yes, double meaning worked out kind
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: of nicely and it stuck and then um, the eagles
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: here now, and then uh, mr Doug darn hello anything
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: else you? When I add Dug, I would say, um.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: When we were talking about this caribou behavior, I was
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: surprised at how uh I mean, I expected to see
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: groups moving together, then moving generally in a direction, But
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I was surprised at how many individuals I saw doing
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: there their own thing. Yeah, just sort of meandering their
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: way seemingly with total disregard with for what everyone else
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: was doing. Generally youngsters and cows. Yeah, yeah, the occasional bull.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But if you notice the biggest, the big bulls, like
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the I mean the it's a percent a percent of
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: what you're looking at. Our big bulls. The big bulls
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: are are two things with a bunch of other big
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: bulls with cows. I got a question, is this similar to,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: again going back to my bread and butter white tails?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So white tails have bachelor groups in the summer, all
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: these guys are all together, but as that testosterone rises
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: towards the rut, eventually those groups break up and then
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you see them much more and much more solitary fashion.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Will that happen with the caribou. Are there on those
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: sort of bachelor groups now, but as they head into
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: later in September and October, are they gonna break up? Man?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: That that's that's a great question. I'm sure just pe
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: they could answer really well. But a couple of thoughts
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: on one. I don't know if there's I don't know
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: if those groupings you're seeing when you're when you're seeing it,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: like it seems like when you get into the really
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: big bulls, so like the big dominant bulls tend to
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: be in packs of three, four or five that seemed
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to be affiliated with a group of cows. I don't
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: know if those groups of bulls are just changing all
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the time, you know that, Like I don't know that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: those bulls are because there's you're talking about so many
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: animals moving all the time. I kind of picture it,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: at least picture it being that those that those groupings
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: are fluid in nature. And then if you went a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: month ago, that the a little bit surprised that the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: groupings were the same a month ago. But I don't
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: really know. I'm sure there's people that could know, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll get ahold of us and tell us
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: where I'm wrong. The other thing is I always thought
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that down the road you would have them become more aggressive.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Remember hunting in early October and still seeing bles traveling
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: in big groups. So I don't know when it is.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the relationship is quite like elk
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: where they turn into or deer so many other things
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: where other servants, where there's that same level of hostility
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: from one bull the next. You do see these bulls fight,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you know, you know you see him fight inspire. But
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they get as intolerant of other
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: males being really close to them. Is some other animals
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: get intolerant of other males being close to them? I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: think so. The only thing I read about the run
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: as we were getting ready for this trip was that,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: unlike elk to keep a harem or try to protect
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the harem once it gets going, these bulls don't protect
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the harem. They protect a zone, They protect a chunk
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of land, and so any other bull it tries to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: come into his zone gets run out, and the cows
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that come into his own must get bread, but he
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: lets him go. He doesn't like keep a harem. But yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: we have to get we have to get some kind
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of caribou expert down because what's what's hard for me
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: there is that would mean that all the movement ceases
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: unless he's got a traveling zone. It could be he's
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: got like they he's got a bubble that moved, Yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: a bubble of influence that he carries with him through
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: all these passes and valleys. But what I do know
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: is this first, so guy here had a little and
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: that grizzly, like a lot of grizzlies, like you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: you kind of get as close as you get as
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: close as as responsible because you'd like to observe them.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And then he's very close to camp, So then we're
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: kind of thinking, at the end of observing him, I'm like,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: would be a good idea to have him move along
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: his way and not be hanging out here. So we're
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: gonna try to spook him off a little bit, let
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: him know we're here so he doesn't just then turn
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: around and feed right back up into camp and potentially
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: get himself and do a whole bunch of trouble and
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: stand up and start getting the old hey, and like
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of grizzlies, that entices that at first just
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: means that it gets his attention. He starts coming towards you.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: It happens all the time, and then you get up
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and raise Holy hell, and you can usually move him along.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Um that happened. Woke up in the morning, went up
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to a knob. And then you start trying to put
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: together like, well, what is a big bull? And that
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: just comes from watching, you know, like facting, like trying
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to like to see what's possible out there, right, I mean,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you get in. The opportunities you have are so many
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: because you're just seeing so many of them go through.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: And if you watch like a hundred of them and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: a bunch of bulls, you start going like, so that's
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: what a large one looks like. You need that reference point,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and then you establish your reference point. We had the
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: exceptional out of the average. It's funny though, right when
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: we landed, me and Doug came in first and we
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: got dropped off for anybody else, and me and Doug
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: was gushing because like, oh my gosh, that was the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: hugest bull. It was monstrous, And now as I look
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: back on it, after we've seen hundreds of bulls, wasn't
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: really that big? Or just because the first one we
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: saw we had nothing to compare it against. And I
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: think we get a picture of that bull, I don't think, well,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, because it'd be interesting to look
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: at it because and and like all the other bulls,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you see a whole bunch. I mean, I don't know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: what do we see a hundred colls and calves to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: every bullet you see, so you know, whatever number that happened,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But it's it's definitely more calls and calves and young
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: bulls and stuff until you see bigger bulls. And like
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: with that group, when we first flew in, there were
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: all these other caribou, and then he was there and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: he was significantly bigger than the rest of him. And
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: so of course that's your reaction or our reaction, and uh,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and it was I would say it's what was a
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: white tail hunters reaction when when looking at like the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: place I used to do that I've done maybe most
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: of my yeah, probably most of my carribou hunting. I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: think it's been on the north slope of the Brooks Range,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: in areas where you're not really able to get in on.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible that could happen. But generally you're
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: not able to get in on these big, these big
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you know, migration paths of caribous. You're you're you're looking
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: at caribou in summeringe ground dispersed over a vast, vast area.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it would be like to go up there
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: on the north slope on a road system hunt. It
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: would be laughable that you would be able to sit
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: around and cherry pick bulls, like we're cherry picking bulls.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Therell be like if you see a bull, you'r you
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: better just get your ship together and go, because you
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: count yourself lucky, you know. But here is that you
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: just get I mean it's not even it's like hunting,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: but it's like a little different than hunting. But hunt
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: for that one you want, the big player is still hunting,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: but it's it's unlike anything I've ever so different than
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: most honey, But the excitement will be equivalent. When you
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: see the one that is stands out, that thrill will
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: be there. You won't be like that's another you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: another bulle. It's gonna be like, oh, that's the one. Yeah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: But you know what's missing. What's missing is the idea
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: of and it happens antelope hunting too. What's missing is
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the idea that you won't get one, the fear of,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: not not the fear of, but like a lot of
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: times in hunting you're like, it's like, will I get one? Yeah, okay,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and that's the thing, but you said it can't shut off,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: like there is a slight chance and not probably they
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: just it on but tomorrow, and it was Yeah, but
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: as much as hunting, it's about putting yourself in the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: middle of this spectacle. You know, hunting is almost secondary
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to the hunting is secondary to the experience of being there,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the experience of like being and seeing like sounds. But
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: it's true in this case, I think that's the perfect word. Yeah, no,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: it is. It's like you're witnessing a mass migration of
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: large mammals. You'd never understand it unless you came here
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: and saw it. You just you just wouldn't know. So
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: there was that was some hunting mixed in, but it's
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: like it's just not like I'm even like, you know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: people spend a lot of time, myself included, talking about
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: fair chase issues and you kind of get into like
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: like caribou hunting in a situation. In a situation like this,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: which which for men who will be a once in
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: a lifetime situation, I've seen it. I've I hunt a
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: tremendous amount. I'm in my early forties. I've seen this twice.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: So you get into a situation where it's like, uh,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: you know, all of the stuff we talk about fair
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: chase and all that, I don't know. I don't know
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: if if this is this fair, I don't know to
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: go ahead, to go get any individual one, to go
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: get any individual one is like it feels to me
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: like it has the level of uncertainty that we would
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: expect from a from what people like to describe as
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a fair chase hunt, but when taken in the whole
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: population and the ability to get a animal seems like
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a pretty foregone conclusion the minute you hit the ground. Well,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: that's a good example of what I what I'm talking
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: about is like the one that we saw that you
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: and Doug went after and it just didn't work out
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: any part I want to get. Yeah, that's a great point.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: And we're watching all these ones. The minute we pick
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: one out and go that's the one, somebody give us
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the slip. I can't find them, and that's your that
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you're like bar of scale from there they're on out. Yeah, yeah,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: there's certainly I mean, you gotta climb mountains, so you
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: gotta run after him. You might get fogged out, Like
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: there's fair chases, there's elements of over one just trying
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to like be out in a place it's very inhospitable.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: And then a lot of people aren't comfortable deal with grizzlies,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: which is a daily occurrence, yeah, or daily occurrence, seventy
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: sleeping in a tent and seventy mile hour goss, the
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: potential of getting annihilated by biting insects. So yeah, I
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: mean there are like tons of things that make it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: But I'm just talking about that like distinct, you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: when it when it's the kind of hunt that the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: minute you get out of your tent you could start
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: shooting caribou and then you could shoot them until the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: sun goes down. It's just it's different at all point.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's less. I love it, but it's
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: just different. And I will say that it is certainly
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: not less. The difficulty of the hunt for someone, um
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: like me, who's you know, I'm I'm a white Midwest
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: white tail hunter. Um and yeah, I got ready for Yeah,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: that was an interesting you put in there. That's how
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a white Midwest white tail hunter. Oh sorry, you got
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: this talking juice here in front of me, tasteful. I'm sorry, yeah,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: but no, I know, thanks for the correction. Uh oh
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you are. I am a white Midwest white tail hunter.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I sweetly am. So there's so many parts there. I've
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: never done anything like this. Um. I know you guys
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: do way more difficult hunts than this, but this is
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: the most difficult hunt that I've ever done, and it
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: is the most interesting hunt that I've ever done. But
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: when it came down to the moments with the decision
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: that we went after the first one, you talk about
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: that because I want and sticking to my chronology, talk
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: about talk about that we finally find one and then
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you can't then you turn out that you can't get them,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and yeah, and that, and that caribou was exceptional based
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: on what I had seen in the first four hours
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: of hunting, but it wasn't even that. He was just
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: exceptional to everything that we had seen up to that point.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: And so I'm at that point, I'm like, Okay, now
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I understand, and away we go and into thin air.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Gone except for these guys said, oh no, you you
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: guys went down there and they were already around you.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And and uh, yeah, because you're trying to Yeah, you're
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: trying to head. I mean every time we've gone after cariboo,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you're trying. You're you're trying to one. You spot them
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: way off, you try to get you try to figure
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: out their trajectory, which is somewhat predictable because you look
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: at whoever was out at whatever group came before them,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and then you got to make up your mind and
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: in this hull ass and try to get there before
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: they do. And I would say we missed them by way, yeah,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: And I would say about that when you said before that,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: then you could shoot. You could get out of your
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: tent and start shooting cariboo and shoot caribou all day long. Yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: but that, of course we could. And that's just such
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: an unusual thing to be around. But then to go
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: out there and pick that, and then we began to
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: hunt because you are I mean, you're spotting, and then
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: you're hunting, and you're going you're anticipating where they're going.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: You're trying to get there, and every bit of that
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: was a part of a spotting sock as far as
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I was concerned. And you know, we were disappointed, and
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: uh we didn't I didn't find that animal. And we
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: took kind of a loop and we're coming back and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: here come up. Here come a bunch of younger caribou,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: and amongst them were a couple of bulls, and one
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: was a really nice bull, and he closed within seventy
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: five or eighty yards of us. In there, some of
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: them run run away, some of them running a circle
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: away from you, and then they come back because they're
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: sort of curious about your They don't understand what you are,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: but they're definitely alerted to you. And uh, most of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: them have no human experience. They just doesn't clip. They
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: don't see you and going, oh ship right right run.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And so this which was an extremely suitable bull um,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: came within seventy five yards of us and gave us
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: a show of uh fabulous of defiance of interests. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: am the animal was spectacular, and I never picked my
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: rifle up. I was so caught up in the whole thing,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: and I asked you a couple of times, what do
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you think? And you said, that's a heck of a
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: You may have said that's a hell of a uh,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: that's a dandy. That's I mean, he said several times,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and you know, you can shoot that one, and I or, yeah,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I totally understand if you did. And I just point
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: out that it wasn't the one we were looking. That's
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the other part of it. I had that exceptional one
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: to to compare it to. And I just got um
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: completely caught up in the moment of watching all that happening,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and if and I realized now or I realized in
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: retrospect that I knew that it could happen again. I
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: knew that it would happen again. I would have been
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: surprised after that it would happen again. So I enjoyed that,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And I didn't regret not shooting that caribou. Yeah, I
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: think it was. Part of it was that he just
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: wasn't the one we went after. And then it felt like, um,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: like an unearned thing. I don't know what it was.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I could I couldn't put my finger on it at
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the time, and I can't put my finger on it now.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: It was that was my first encounter like that, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: it was just that was enough, and he wasn't. And
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: you said to be a couple of times used with
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: that look, and that's he's he's not like the one
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: that we were we went after. That's not the one
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: we went after. And when you're seeing so many of them,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: you kind of wanted to be the one you're going after.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Yeo shows up. But that's that's where it is. Like,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: that's the thing that always trips me up is how
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: much sort of mental masturbation is going on at a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: lot of mental masturbation. It's very difficult to explain that
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: that would have a very difficult time. Like if I
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: went home and I was like, oh man, you know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: hundreds of them coming by. My wife said, well why why,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just be done right away? Then I
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: had to be like whoa, you know, it was someone else,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: like an outside perspective. You never really get to where
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: they were satisfied. I mean you could shoot one opening
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: morning and still enjoy the spectacle for three days. You
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: never got introduced. Bro we quit the introductions. Yeah, Brodie
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Henderson happy to be here with it, witnessing the spectacle,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: those little guy fishing guiding and the works with us
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: guidance season is all done. Yep, thank god. Um yeah,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: witnessing the spectacle. So me and dog got dupe. Then
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: we go back up to the glass and tips and
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: lo and behold here comes some legit, full on balls
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: out migrators, right Mark, Yeah, talk about that. Yeah, So
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: you guys got back up there. We sit down, we
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: eat some Sammy's kind of relaxed a little bit, not
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: relaxing well, getting that we're glassing as we sat and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that we were looking across that whole bowl where the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: terraces were in the tops and everything, and I just
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: remember looking across there, just to the right and below
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the terrace and just spotting these white these fabios, and
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: be like, I think those are new bulls. And we
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: pulled up the glass on him and yeah, five new balls,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and then a big old stream of other cows and
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: calves above them, and then unique to a lot of
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the other ones we saw, which were more than meandering type.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: These guys are on a mission. And so if I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: remember right, we we looked him over pretty good. Didn't
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: take too long to realize there was there was one
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: or two in there that were worth our attention. So
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: they kept piling down that hill and then you're like, hey,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: we should make a move on them. So we grabbed
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: our gear and took off down the hill. They disappeared
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: behind this one knob, not number one, right, And all
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I remember is we go scooting down into this little ridge,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: this little rise, and then I just remember when the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: whole herd peeked over that first knob, and I just
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: felt like I was watching like I don't know, something
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: in the Africans serengetti, like just this massive. This was
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: like a miniature version of what I imagined it would be,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: like this mass of like flowing animals down the hillside.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Many tons worth of animals, Yeah, many tons worth of
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: animals of mass. Yeah yeah, let off by this big
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: old white man bulls. Yeah, they were up front, they
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: were that bull. Um was he is either out of
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: all the hundreds of care but we've seen in two
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and a half days of observation, he's either number one
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: or number two in which respect the biggest ones we've
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: looked at. Yea, so here's that he might be number two,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: number one being the first. I think the slip, I can't,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I wish how happens though it looked like,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: yeah he would, Yeah, he would. I put a bet
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: on the fact that the one that gave us a
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: slip was bigger as it should be. Yeah, lives on,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: he lives on. But yeah, but the Serengetti is coming,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Seenge is coming our way, and man, like it was
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: just for me. It was the weirdest experience maybe I've
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: ever had hunting. Like it was just this like moment
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: of there's so many different things going on, right, I mean,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: it was so different than any other hunt I've ever
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: been on, and just the whole spectacle of it, not
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: only the Willer spectacle, but also then our whole deal,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: all these different people. You know, there's four or five
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: of us sneaking down there. Um, we got laid down,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: We saw there angling our away. We had a good
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: spot to set up and uh laid down, put the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: rifle on the backpack. You were so kind to share
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: your range acto with me for a little bit. Bigger
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: gal like yeah, And then they just came angling down
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: our way, and I was like, holy sh it, this
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: is actually gonna happen. And it's funny. At some point
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you go like, oh, they are going to come through here.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: In that veer off in some crazy as direction. Yeah,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and like it wasn't though, Like I feel like in
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: most other hunts, you get to like mentally process what's
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: happening and like all right, yeah, like this is the
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: anual I'm going to shoot and kill her. This is happening,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: or yeah, I want this to happen. It was like
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I'd gotten on a roller coaster at the top of
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: that hill and then I was just tearing down it
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: all the way through this moment, and um, going into
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: this whole thing, I was like, I really hope I
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: don't shoot one on the first day. I really want
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: this to be like a long experience and to feel
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: all the way. But this was just like I was
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: tearing down that hill on the roller coaster and it
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: was happening. I was like whoa. And so he comes
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: up and he's angling and we're ranging him, and he's like,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: you know, two seventy five to fifty. I just remember
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: like two thirty five somewhere with this last range I've
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: gotten And then like you said, blow or blouch or
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: whatever it is you'd like to say, but yeah, it
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: was funny because there's him and another couple and they
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: were kind of stacked coming in and out, and they
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: were just moving there on the move. So I tried
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: to find a moment when the other ones weren't behind
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: him and let him have it, and unfortunately was able
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: to get the job done. But here's the thing about
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: so you kind of bummed me out now about the
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: first day thing. You don't know what's like I've seen
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: plenty of times and all of a a sudden, just what
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: is it right now outside? Oh yeah, I'm not, I'm not.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not disappointed anyway, can see fifty yards because it's
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: like there are so many things that screw you. Oh yeah,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: it's just like it's like it's clear, that's a big bowl.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm glad we do what we did. I'm glad
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: it happened. At might you wake up to my own
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: and it's fog, and then it's fog, and then it's
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: fog the next day and nothing ever happened. It's like
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you have to just pick your moments. But in that
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: scenario when you've been for whatever at that point, we've
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: been out in the field for six eight hours, well
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: maybe more twelve counting the day before, and you're just like, oh,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: that's the hundred i've seen, like, you know, you're feeling
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: pretty cocky about it. It was wild, but I don't
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: even know if I wasn't like I feel like because
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: you Doug went on that stock, and so this whole
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: time was like Doug was hunter. I was an observation
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: mode and then like that switch flipped all of a sudden, Bam,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: You're in hunter mode. And it was that transition all
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, like my mind was readjusting to my
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: new reality. And it was just it was a super crazy, interesting, unique,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: once in a lifetime experience the whole thing and um,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: and then walking up on that animal was pretty like
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: it was all like started becoming so real like that
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: as an incredible animal. Just just it was also different
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: wild and for me too from sitting the distance that
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I was watching this unfold, and I've seen other people
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: shoot white tails from a distance, but it wasn't any
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: just completely unique experience watching this happen unfold in front
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: of me, and I thought it was a completely different,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: uh distance, it seemed like they were closing, closing, closing.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Boy's gonna let him get really close. And then we
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: got down there and went, holy man, he shot this
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: thing at two or thirty five yards. Yeah, in these areas,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: distance becomes very difficult perspective. Things are far the way
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: than you think they are. They're closer than you think
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: they are. You start walking towards something that seems a
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: million miles away, and in fact it's not. Yea, we've
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: talked about that. Um. Then we butchered out, and just
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: as we're leaving, we wanted to hunt some more. We
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: want to go back up to our glass and tit
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and butchered out. And I was because of grizzlies. I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: was like, let's move, um, the meat away from the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: guts because when air comes in, they just go and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: eat the anything's gonna come, and just eat the soft
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: tissue first, because you just goulup down because they don't know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: as far as they know, a bigger bears gonna come
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: and steal the whole damn thing from them, So when
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: they swoop in, they just want to like, you know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: you get what you can get and then work on
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: the other stuff later. A couple years ago, my brother
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: lost the elk to a grizzly and he had had
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: all four legs on the bone and boned out everything
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: else and it ate all the boneless meat and buried
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the bone in meat. So they do know like what
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: they can gobble up quick and what takes time, and
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and and like think about that. So we move the
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: meat I don't know, not even a hundred seventy five
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: yards away, not just to give a little buffer. And
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: we knew we're gonna be sitting there staring right at it.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: And we get back up to the tent and here
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: here comes the griz out and we watch that thing
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: cover two miles. Do you think it's that far? Oh? Yeah,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's from the plate where it popped up
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: to where it ended up running at a run. And
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, the wind wasn't right, but I'm watched to say.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, after a while, me and dirt almost made
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: a bet. I couldn't have sound like it's unmer it's undeniable.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: This bear is jogging with its nose in the air,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: is jogging over an incredible distance towards this gut pile.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: But the wind was wrong, So I'm like, how would
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: it be aware of it when the wind is what
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: it's doing. And then it turns out that just for
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: some inexplicable reason, it was running all that way toward us,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: because it finally gets within like easy striking distance of
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: that gut pile, stops dead ass cold, and spends the
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: next hour eating blueberries slightly upwind of it, like it
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: was in kind of some rocky, sparse vegetation hit that
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: that barry buffer lush stuff. Yeah, because she was traveling
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: across just open you know, just rock and moss really
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and then yeah, and I think she had her nose
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: near like she might smell. I don't know if they
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: got an ability to smell good concentrations of blueberries, but
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: she just traveled through the shitty ground, that little cub,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: bouncing a long bind her. He stopped rassling with the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: cariboan at one point he like barrel rolled down the
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: hillside sat and she winds up getting down into the
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: blueberries and just sets to eating, and then kind of
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: paralleled us when we got our meat, and headed back
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: kind of parallel us the whole way, and then we're
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: staying in our camp this morning. I never got that
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: ship pull circle wise. Garrett, poor Garrett though this morning.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: So I opened that tent door and holy crap, there's
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: a mama and cub. And I didn't hear you, right,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I see it hop by my tent. Start yelling and
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: then it starts to meet up. Kind of was like
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: kind of half away. I think, you know how you
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: kind of gotta take away. Oh um here like grizzling camp.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: And then so I yell and then she kind of
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: speeds up a little bit and goes over the hill
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, we're all good on the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: other side of the yelling and I'm like, oh ship,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: he's right there. Girls is calmly out there waving it.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: I was brushing my teeth. I was like, well, if
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: the yelling doesn't do it three yards and she stood
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: up when I first when we first like she saw
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: me up. I was not aggressively, but I think like
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what was going on. And then uh,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Janice and Chris and the tent that she had passed,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: you know, very recently prior started yelling. She kind of
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: took off. But there was a moment there where I
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: was like, well, we'll see what happens, because you just
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: don't know what and you can't. I mean, I knew
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: like if she was threatened, I didn't have anything that
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: was gonna prevent her I don't think you want to
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: do with me. Some years ago, we had a grizzly
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: coming toward our camp and you know what he was there.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: We were shooting rocks in front of it, like full
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: on shooting rock trying to stop it. We tried a
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff before that, but the eventually we're resorting
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to like shooting and it still keeps coming. You still
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: know what their aunt he is gonna be like, man, yeah,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: and like the fact that you know who knows it.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: With the cub, I always just even extra cautious or
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: you know literally that they're gonna be more aggressive. I
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: feel like you were lucky in that scenario. I mean,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: that's as as bad of a situation as you want
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: to get into. Is surprising a mom on the cub
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: and she didn't see you know, she didn't see me
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: when she first came over. But I don't be loved.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: If you've gotten a little bit of a scuffle with that,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: well me too, if I got a scar out of it,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: and that's all, I would love that. I've always thought
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: that would be good. I'm knocking on wood because just
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: a scratch how to come in there slinging on you
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: to halfter. But that's the most casual reaction to a
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: grizzly bear ever. I well, we'll see what happens. Oh bullshit,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: in this one. That was amazing. Yeah, they're they're a
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: gray animal, man. I mean, they really get your attention. Yeah,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I used to be kind of I used
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: to be more afraid of them. Um it used to
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: be more afraid of But now, like, I still have
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of respect for him, But I also kind
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: of like when I see him, I'm always kind of
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: rooting it. They'll come closer, but not too close. Internet
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I like having them near me. I would put our
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: observations and encounters with grizzly bears in this trip as
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: just as enjoyable for me as the spectacle of seeing
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: all the cariboo and even killing a cariboo. Like I
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: enjoyed our grizzly encounters just as much. Like when I
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: go back, that's going to be something that I'll remember forever.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Just Male's face when he stood up or came up
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: where we could see him, that's burned into just the
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: coolest critters. Yeah, no here man, Just like the room
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: they have, the room, you know, Yeah, the fact that
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: there was two points to intersect like us in them
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: such a vast landscape, you just realize how special that is.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: You can just watch him not be you know, in
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: a survival mode, and they can you know, they can
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: get pretty old, but you still get the sense that, um,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: when you're out here and looking at it, you still
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: at the sense that like this is probably or you know,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: it would stand the reason that this is his first encounter,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: this is his first reckoning with a person. Yeah, it's
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: a way different kind of Grizzly than you'd see in
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Montana or I don't and that gets a different version
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: of who's had experience kind of knows what to think
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: about still, And I've said this over the course of
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: the past couple of days a few times as we've
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: talked about some things related to us. But it's just
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: like it's good for my soul to know that there
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: are still places that that can happen, Like to know
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that that could be really that Grizzly has not encounter
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: person before. Like that's just like a satisfying notion. Oh
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: for sure, man, glad to know that's the case possible.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: But it's the thing that happens to people. Where is
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the thing that has people where they tend to I
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: think that people tend to be like, oh, places like Alaska, Well,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: that's a suitable place for wilderness. But then not think
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: about not think about like equivalence at home, you know,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: and don't and and don't strive towards, um, don't strive
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: towards thinking about the possibility of of of things being
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: more steem, more appear, more wild closer to home. We
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: have this thing like you relegated to this other locale
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: because you come up here and like what's up here
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: it just isn't what's here isn't replicable anymore down there,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: you know, A good way puts. I was talking to
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: my brother. I think I might talk about this before,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: but one of my brothers, Um, you know, he's he's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: a fisher, he's ecologist and does a lot of work
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: in Alaska, and we were talking about conservation and he
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: was saying that, Um, that the difference between his line
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: of work done here in his line of work done
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: in the lower forty eight is there not here. They're
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: not in rebuild mode. They're trying to understand something that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: they're in a position of trying to understand something that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: exists and head off trouble down the future. But you're
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: not rebuilding anything. And the lower the eight conservation is rebuilding.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: It's repair and appear in a lot of places there's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: not like there's it's not repair, it's holding the line,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: you know. And those are like two very different views
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: on are two like very different ways to comprehend wildlife
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: and wildlife conservation equally important, I guess the right man.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you're you're approaching it from a position of
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: you can kind of and this is the broad generalization,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: but you can kind of approach it to be like, yeah,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: you're not Yeah, you're you're looking to head off problems
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: rather than fix them. In down there, we're fixing things,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: you know, trying to get things back or you know,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: in many ways very successfully, right, very very successfully, but
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: trying to like somehow set a clock back in some
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: way fix the mistakes of the fifty years ago and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: then things were later here where people were a lot
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: more like once there's starting to be such a big
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: human footprint here and it's gonna grow. But um, people,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: you know, some of those some of those some of
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: those moments when we were most rampant in our destruction.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: There wasn't also a very loud enlightened voice. And I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: think that right now, as you know, as you can,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: you know, as people comprehend more development in Alaska, more
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: industry in Alaska, there's like like a pretty loud enlightened
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: voice that has taken a lot of lessons that we're
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: learned in other parts of the country and using them
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: to like avoid mistakes that we've made. Now just understanding
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: the interconnectedness of things and realizing that the things that
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: you do have there's implications to the actions you take.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: It's interesting that the same pressures are still there from
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: the other side too. You know, I don't know who
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: said this stuff, but history might not always repeat itself,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: but it usually rhymes. And I feel like, let you
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: see that kind of thing happening. I hadn't heard that.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. So today we had that Grizzly
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: went out hunting, and um, you realize that like kind
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: of like plays out in the same way. Watched and
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: watched him, watched, watched and watched him, watched. Finally some
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: big bulls came rolling through and then then Doug wept
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: into action spring. It might be worth noting his close
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: call earlier where he really wanted that one bull dog,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: like that whole scene there, we're on that side hill,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: he's coming up the hill. I'm looking at him. That's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: a nice bull I've been walking. I've been walking like
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: where he's headed. It would be a downhill hike. Already
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: told you that morning he was thinking about going on
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: quote a mega hyke. Doug didn't like the sound of that.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk you out of that bulldog,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: but I was trying to, like by by not paying
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: it a whole lot of attention, attention and scanning the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: distant horizon. I was trying to convey to you that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: we had yet arrived. Steve went and sat like thirty
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: yards away, just kept looking at the stuff. Can't see
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, I was like acting like that bull
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't I mean, no disrespect of that bowl. I was
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: trying to pretend that he wasn't there in an effort
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: to influence your thinking. And then it was funny. Doug
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: looks at me. He's like, Hey, I'm gonna go over
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: at Steve and and tell him that I think that,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe I want to take this bullets. Good
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: situation and if Steve wants to go over there, he can,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: he can just go and I'll hang out here and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: watch to see what this one. So douges walking over there.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: A sist next to Steve and he says it and
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: here's kind of like we'll look at these over here.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: But he also said, I appreciate you. You're willing to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: let over there and you'll stay here. And I don't
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: want I mean, let's you know, let's face it, I'm
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: the old guy in the group and I'm u. I'd
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: like to say that I'm like the old the old bull.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I'm the last one always um, you know, hanging I'm
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: not hanging back. I'm just slow. That's along and the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: short of it. And I don't want to influence. I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: don't want that to necessarily influences, uh, someone else not
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: doing what they want to do. And uh. And I
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: would have been perfectly content to what to sit there
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: and watch that ball and not necessarily shooting, but to
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: watch you all the way around there, thinking it's just
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: like would be the world's biggest mooch for you to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: go all the way around there and and maybe they
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: bump and come that way. But but I also appreciate
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: the fact that one you were recent said, I appreciate
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: that that and at that time comes I'll let you know,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: but um, I don't think you want to shoot that ball.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: And I was pretty sure I wanted to shoot that bull,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: but you just never know what's coming over and you know,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: but if we go over here, and so we did,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and you know, and it turned out to be a fantastic,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: fantastic afternoon. I think it's something we should cover because
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: this is weird conundrum when we keep saying like, oh,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: it's a nice bull, that's a nicer bull, like they're
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: all nice. Of course. Yeah, but he said it pretty
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: good when he said we just hadn't arrived yet. We
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: just needed to walk a little bit more, look around
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit longer, much like I didn't shoot that one.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: After we went that and saw that really big one,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't I mean, everything that went through my
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: mind when I saw that that other and Cayman was
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: near us, that I just I just wasn't. It just
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't right. And I don't know how else to describe it.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: And and so that's why I didn't and and uh,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: my wonderful friend here, you know, he said, let's let's
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: let's go over here, and uh so we did. I know,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I know what you're getting at, young, because like this
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: weird luxury to like play this game that you're talking about,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: this mental masturbation. We're like, if we were really hungry,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't be doing any of this bullshit, Like we'd
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: be in Bang bang bang and be done. But that's
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: what that that's that's what I'm beginning about. The mental
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: masturbation game is like I mean, you know me, well,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I like meet and antlers meet more than antlers, but
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: in this case you get to have both. Yes, I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: read a quote the other day also like to have them,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: but I don't feel like I just read a quote. Guys,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: I really you know, I hunt, um let's help for meat,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: and I've really developed a taste for six. Yeah, it's like, yeah,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: the main thing I'm after like if like you know,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I've thought this before, if you if I had a
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: dead Caribo land or anything carriboo, what we've seen anyone
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: at all? And I had a dead Caribo Land there
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: and and in God came down and said you gotta
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: you can take the rack or the meat. I wouldn't
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: even think about it, right, I'm gonna take the meat.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: But here, that's what I'm saying. Part of the thing
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: is there's so many of them, and you're trying to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: to to milk out the experience. And I do like
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: to have antlers around a lot um. I really just
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: like that and like to look at him and think
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: about him and hold him and talk about them and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff that here you can be like, Okay,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: barring some dramatic weather change, which I'm watching for, and
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I'm and I'm willing to alter my plans accordingly, barring
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: that in this moment, I'm gonna look for the biggest
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: damn caribou I can find. I got a theoretical question
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: as as an observer, as a cinematographer photographer, to clarify
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: this to me, I'm not pulling the trigger, you know,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I'd love to in a different you know, circumstances. No,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I would prefer the photographies of but um. Say, like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: we were in a situation where you guys hadn't had
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: an intended hunt on a specific animal. We pop over
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: a ridge and up though one. It's just like a
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: hand me that you haven't done anything specific to hunt
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: that that caribou bowl, but it is the one would
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: you hesitate for lack of the experience of hunting that
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: specific animal, or if it was big enough and it
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: was just like a staying there it wasn't an intentional,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: you know, strategic process. Put it this way. You could
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: even make it easier. You could be like you unzipped
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: the tent just there. He isn't camp and he like
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: won't leave and he's think about you think about it.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: The camera guys, he's still standing around like some dudes
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: like making coffee. Still standing around ability It depends on
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: how good I am at mental masturbation, how good I
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: am a playing with my own mind. Well, i'd ask
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: all of you, because I would. I would say I
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: would say that it wouldn't be it wouldn't be as good,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter to me as much, it wouldn't be
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: as valuable to me. Okay, But I would also be like,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: but you'd be happy to go get this one if
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: you snuck up on it and so here it is. Yeah,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: it's really tricky, but here's nothing of value to mean.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: This is all part of the mental masturbation game, not
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: mental master. I don't want to short sell it because
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: it's not mental masturbation. It's it's like all part of
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: the way in which we perceive our world and set
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: goals and values and expectations. For instance, if if someone
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: said to you, would you rather come up with a
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: really good idea and earn a hundred million dollars from
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: that idea or would you rather just have publishers clearing
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: house show up and give you a hundred million dollars?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Most people are gonna say, um, well, given my druthers,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: I'll go with the cool idea. And you'd be like, well,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: what's the difference. It's a hundred million dollars that you get.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Why do you give a ship? Because? How I god,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: it matters to me. It doesn't every aspect the same reason,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: like the same reason that going to prostitutes isn't like
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: that alluring to me. It's like there's a there's a
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: way in which you go after the things that you want,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: which you don't you know, And I see that and
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: what you guys are talking about and that analogy. But
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: I think if you know, leaving out all the morality issues,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: just like it's like yeah, so if he's standing there,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't like it as much, but it would trip
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: me up because I'd like, but there it is, you know,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: but there it is. But yeah, and I'll point out
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: and this is a value. I mean, I can't act
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: this to be a value of anything else. The two
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: bulls we've gotten had no clue we were there, and
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: that is very important to me. We were not. We
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: have not shot a bull that was looking at us.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: You shot bulls that we I mean, you know, it's
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: it's not I don't want to oversell it. It's not
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: like like killing the elk that doesn't know you there
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: is way different than killing the care but it doesn't
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: know you there. It takes a lot more skill to
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: consistently kill elk that I have no idea you're there.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: There's no belly crawling going really on. I was answered
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: my question, it's the bigger part is that intentional effort
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: to come to that. I enjoy the journey, Yes, enjoy
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: the journey. I'd say it was honoring the experience. And
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: part of that was not that's why I didn't shoot
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: the one that I did, and then in shooting the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: one that I did shoot. Um, So Steve says, let's
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: go over here and so I don't know. We take
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: a quite a hike and it looks like we're gonna
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: take a very long hike. And we get over to
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: this spot where we sit down and we're glassing and
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: that's all. Let's have the same thing. Let's have some sandwiches.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: It's like sandwiches. If you you need something to show up,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: you say, let's have sandwiches. And I'm sitting there looking,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I can't believe we walked all the way the hell
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: over here to have a sandwich and not see any
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: carabol and we saw some you were thinking that, well
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but what I was really thinking up
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: on top of that, I just said so but they weren't.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: But they weren't. They didn't. They didn't appear, and they
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: took a little while. But that now we're glass and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: caribou that are another mile and a half away and
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: talking about them, and I'm like, if they think I'm
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: gonna walk over there, you know, And then I was like,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my mind right in case we're gonna
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: walk over there, so I'm gonna have my sandwich. I'm
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: gonna get my mind right, and then like magic, they
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: appear up there. Although predictable magic. I suppose they these
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: this group appeared up on top of that ridge and
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: you guys saying when you talk about these packs of
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: six seven bulls, the guy antlers you know, as tall
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: again as they are at the shoulder, and when they
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: started coming over to skyline and just look up and
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: it's just like it looks like Timber. It's like everything
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Timber coming over to skyline. Man, what was I had something?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I was going to add that the whole like uh mail,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: masturbation and Ladies of the Nights experiences. Oh yeah, I
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: know what it was. Um, honey Free is a life journey, Okay.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: So it's like there's like a set of things that
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: that you're like, there's a bunch of experiences you're building,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: and it's a discipline and it's a thing that you
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: strive to get better and better at. Right and to
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: understand better and better and better in any particular moment
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: can't really be separated from that greater life journey. So
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: here you are in this in this like hunting paradise
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: for a couple of days, but still within that are
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: you know, the skill parts, the things you strive to
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: be good at, which is like identifying an animal, selecting
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: that animal, and then getting up on it without it
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: being aware of your presence, and then killing it in
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: the very clean fashion. So yeah, you're still trying to
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: like exercise that life discipline thing, even in a situation
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: where it might not be necessary. Like the lack of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: necessity doesn't make those things less valuable to me, exactly.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this a lot after I killed
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: my caribou, and back to like, oh day one, you know, jeez,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: was that like it just happened so fast? Didn't work
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: for this? Did I earn this? And I I literally
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: thought of the story you told earlier that day. I
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: think when you were talking about the Picasso story where
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: he drew a picture on a napkin and someone asked,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I can't be worthy whatever you said, however
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: much it was worth. But he said that it only
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: took you five minutes to draw that. But then he says, yeah,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: but it took me a lifetime for it to be
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: worth that much money. It was like, yeah, this is
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: a lifetime worth of work and experience that got me
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: year in whatever way to this experience. Um, while it
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: may have only been a day and a half, actually
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: out here in the tundra. A lot of things led
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: to this point exactly, exactly. Yeah, it can't be like
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: being here to see this. You can't really divorce it
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: from the broader context of things that even made you
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: aware to know to come do it. Yeah, life's journey man,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: that's the truth. I wish your honest his dad was here, guys,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: his dad to be in a hog having talked about
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: life journeys. Life journey here like figuratively and literally with
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: the caribou, they're on a life journey. And finally Dirt
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: myth is here. Oh hey, guys, we don't know if
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: it was effective or not because we don't know yet,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: but but Dirt is. Yeah, Dirt is. Uh. I know
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Dirt didn't want to bring him up because he doesn't
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: want to um. Dirt doesn't want to seem as though
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: he's taking advantage of his of his position with desperate
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: within our friendship and organization. But but Dirt is looking
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: for a house, sitting position in the Bozeman or ranch,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: same position the Bowsman thing within thirty mile radio. If
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: you have property, horror or ranch property, and Dirt was
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: born on a damn ran, Yeah, I can be useful
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: even a song that I was gonna say. Doug wasn't
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: impressed by that. Um, the handiest handyman on the planet
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: knows how to take pictures well, fixed stuff, troubleshoot, tinker,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: no animal identification skills. Really, that doesn't know if if
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: house sitting your property involves telling chipmunks some squirrels, that's
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: a big part of it. If any defeat docks and
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: uh chickens, he can do that, thank you. Yeah. And
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: like Dirt, Dirt lives is somewhat nomadic lifestyle and in
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: his his lover um and you guys call each other,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: she loveses somewhat nomaddic lives a somewhat nomadic lifestyle. But um,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: and so it doesn't always make a lot of sense
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: for Dirt to go and have like a regular dole
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: missile that most people would recognize as such. Um It
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: oftentimes lives out of his truck. But he, being the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: most responsible guy on the planet, is looking for that
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, I want to give like rentals in
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: there in there if it was out of town. We're
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: looking for ideally, yeah, caretaker, just to have that that
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: responsible degree. Are you willing to work like how much
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: hours do you have to really put in your taking
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: care of said individual's property, like on average over a
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: month maybe ten? Yeah, like that's yeah. I mean that
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: the ideal situation would just be to disallow a place
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: to fall into the discrepancy or decrepit decrepance. So I
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: don't think you can add the e n cez it's
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: been too long. I'm saying no, But just to allow
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: the crepit state to maintain a place not to milk
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: your cows or so if there's a cow that needs
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: to be mild, you out just because I have a
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: job that I love, and then away forth. But if
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: someone said, hey, man, um the fences like could use
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: some TLC over time, get yeah, and you you would
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: take that on. Or if they were saying, like, hey,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: this rusty hunkle medal I wish was permanently affixed to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: this other rusty hunkle medal, you would go and get that.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Hey we got this like old two Toyota to comas
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: in the bar a little TLC. Rebuild that second, you'd
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: rebuild it from the game. So that's that, I guess.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Get get a hold of me through uh the process.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Let's give out your phone then somebody else have me
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: like something they need to sell or anything. Now I
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: feel bad. No, no, I appreciate this is not a
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: service I really like to provide. But for you, I'll
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: provide it home placement service. Um. But but for you,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: for you, I would do anything. It's a life journey.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Who knows? Finally, Oh you're honest. Remember Yeah, this has
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: all been a test to see if John, you can
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: remember something. And now we'll see. Oh now it's got dark.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I can't read my notes anymore. There we go. You
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: look at notes, Well we're gonna talk about the your vortex.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Well I don't even look at notes for it. So
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: see who I am after all doing it? So? Uh,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: our good body is a vortex? Do the thing called
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: your vortex? Right? It's a it's a contest and to
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: end of the contest somehow, somehow, what's what to do again?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: You canna submit video clips, unedited video clips of your
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: experiences that um you feel jive with the your vortex? Um,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: how would you put it? Like like great great moments,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: great captured moments by non edited doesn't mean bad moments,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: but like you don't need to get in there and
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: manipulate the clip like get a great moment from your
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: life hunting whatever that really, you know, it makes you
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: feel pumped up about. I feel like there's gonna be
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: thousands of hunting related ones. I feel like the winner
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: of the contest is gonna be a non hunting related
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: your vortex. You watch, someone's gonna come up with something slick.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna be like it. It's gonna have like
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: a hint. Obviously this has to be a connection, right,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: or maybe not, because it could be just a shooting
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: sports enthusiast submits a you know, an unentited clip. Yeah,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: but I can't really speak to that world as much
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: as I can. So imagine you've got some amazing little
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: clip of uh you like, rip out of you, rip
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: out a bugle, and all of a sudden, some giant
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: bull from the craziest screaming bull right steps off ten times,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: a hundred times. I'm gonna get more excited. And I'm
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: not gonna get to judge. I don't know, maybe I will,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: but I'm thinking like someone's little kid you just catch
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: like your boy just picking up the buyos for the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: very first time, and he puts them up and he's
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: like looks through him, holds him steady, and then looks
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: back and he's like, Daddy, Molly, I just glass stuff
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: for fill in the blank. Yeah, so stuff video clips
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: like that and you sent them in um and you
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: get as as as as marcover at Vortex put it glass,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: rich and famous because if you win, you get you
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: get like a like a get cool, expensive guarantee for
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: life optics. And then your video clip also becomes part
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: of a broader thing made from all the best emissions.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: So go where do you going to join? For their website,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: they got a button hashtag your Vortex. Go there, you
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: can read all the rules and regulations. Yea, they were
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: so clearly explained. Here are not so clearly. Go in
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff your Vortex contest, get after it.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Anybody else have anything they want to add, selling, buying, renting,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: ridge pond or you're not even I gott a mike,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: but you got anything you want to add? I'm just
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: taking all in man, Okay, So you're not selling anything,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: trying to get anything out of this, no, okay, just
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: to enjoin it. Roughly a year, I guess a while, man, Yeah,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: happy to be back. No, over a year June June
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: of last year. Yeah. Here, we are happy to have
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: you back. I'm stoked to be back. Um. I'm not
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: gonna let everybody do a concluding thought because it's too
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: many concluding thoughts, but I would like to invite uh first, Mark,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: would you like to do a concluding thought? Yeah, but
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I think if someone really has a rip already did
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: his housing. If you have something to add, Gary, do
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: you do? All right? Thank you? So start with Mark,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: who's actually being invited to have one. Well, I appreciate
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: that invitation. Is there anything you'd like to add? You know,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think we've talked about it over
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: and over again, but it's just been an unbelievable all
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: around experience. Everything from the landscape to seeing the wildlife,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: to the interactions with grizzlies, actually filling our tags, the caribou,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: the social you know, experience has been awesome, the whole thing,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: incredible experience. Um, but being a white tail guy, you know,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: growing up doing that, there's so many people that live
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: in a place where there's white tails and they love
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: it and they eat it and they breathe it and
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: they sleep it, but they never go outside of that boundary.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: And I've been lucky the last few years to be
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: able to experience these different things, starting elk hunt, one
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: of my first animal hunt, on my first caribou hunt.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: And I think I would just encourage all those hardcore
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: white tail guys who absolutely love it and think I
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: would never want to do anything else. This is all
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: I need that there really is a lot of value
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: in experiencing these different places, these different species. Um. And
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: it's very doable. Yes, this specific type of hunt is
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit out, maybe outside of the easiest economical
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: or achievable hunt for the average guy. But there are
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: places where you can go have an incredible experience, many
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: times on public land, which is an awesome privilege we
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: have that is very affordable, not too terribly difficult. So
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: I'd say go out there and try these things. Do
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: these things, go to new places. Um. I'm really, really
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: glad I've been able to. Very thankful. Well done, Mark,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: thanks for coming on man, thanks for coming on the
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: trip with us, Thank you for having me. It's been unbelievable.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Your honey, that was a good closing thought, Mark, Thank you.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: App um M, Yeah, and I feel like this one
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: I read when Mark and I talked that was a
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: long time ago, at least we had. We did a
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: podcast and you asked me what I recommended him. Maybe
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: it was after the podcast we stayed on the line.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: You're like, I think about going to Alaska, which I do.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, Man, if I was gonna go, now
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: that I've kind of done, I've I haven't done it myself,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: but because we've been filming shows, I've seen some moose hunts,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: I've seen caribooans, blacktail, black bear, doll sheep. I was
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: gonna just recommend someone go and do going a hunter,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: go and get like the Alaska spirit experience. I would
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: go do caribou. It's like you get the landscape and
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: you get to see an amazing migration a bunch of animals. Um,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like you can do it. Sent me affordable,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: much more affordable than mountain goat grizz or doll which
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get guided and you're looking at
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: probably you know, unless you got kid folk like me,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: see I kin folk like Steve Um Yeah, fifteen and
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: twenty dollars black bears. I feel like there's a lot
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: of opportunity in lower forty eights killed though, so I
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: don't you know, I mean, I know it's a special
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: kind of black bear hunt up here, but still can
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: be done in lower forty eight moose they're cool, but man,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: you just don't get the action. No, you're putting in
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of times action, but here like this hunt
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: and and and what I'm saying is because again I
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: don't think it's it's exorbitant, Like I think you really could.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: If you pinched it, you probably do it for less
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: than five k. Well no, not if you do well,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh yes, no, no no, no, if you
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: road system d I y, but I think it almost
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: be worth it to skip paying the flight that year
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: to go do the road system hunt for two or
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: three grand and you know, save another year so that
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: you could fly into the bush and come and see
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: the hundreds of animals every day. Yeah, I've done I've
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: done well. Four I think four road system Carribo hunts
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: had great experiences and all of them, but like you said,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: you didn't see this being able to fly in real
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: special I feel like this is as a lasking of
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: an Alaska experience as you could ever ask for the
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: bush plane flight alone. Oh my gosh, when when we
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: were flying in, this is kind of embarrassing. But when
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: we're flying in and I'm sitting back there just rubber
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: neck in the whole time, I literally broke out into
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: like laughter, like giggling, smiling, like I can't believe this
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: is real life right now. This is the most incredible thing.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: The really about doing caribo. If you're looking to like
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: dip your toes into um, you know, if you're looking
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: to dip your toes into a self guided hunt, and
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: I really would, there's no like, I don't Yeah, it
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean don't don't go hire a guide to want
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: to caribou one just go? Um? Because what was that?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: What's what's wrong that? Well, because I think you're you're
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: assuming that everybody has the experience. That's what That's what
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: I was gonna That's what I was gonna get to. Um.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: I think you'll be able to figure it out. I
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: think it takes the least. It's just it's very circumstantial,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: but I think like you can pull it off with
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: a lot less life experience. Then one would need to
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: pull off a lot of other non guided hunts in
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: this state. You know, It's like operating up here is
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: always is. Operating up here in any kind of in
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: a non guided sense, operating up here is vastly more
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: difficult than anything you will do in the lower forty eight.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: It just is everything is different, the gistics and the
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: safety and all that is what you gotta be good
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: at rather than being some super badass hunt. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: you need to be good at like thinking through situations
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: you might get into because you can't walk out to
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: the truck and when the weather is bad, a plane
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: is not gonna come get you, and so you need
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: to be ready to be stuck and you need to
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: be ready to solve your own problems. Is not going
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: to be a quick response time. There could be you
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: could be days away from help in an emergency. So
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: there's that, right, which is not a small thing. But
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: I would say that just the level of expertise needed
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: um in terms of finding it, like just everything. Man.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: I just think it's like a great and it's a
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: great introduction and why like why bring in the why
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: bring in the insulation and buffer of a I when
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: you could go have a more real, genuine experience of
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: figuring it out on your own. Kind of add to
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: that because he just brought it up a little bit,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: the whole mouney with the guide thing and there's the installation, right.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: And I've had this sort of a ongoing debate argument
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: with some other people that um our guides themselves. They
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: go hunt with guides, and they're like, mat love going
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: home with guides. It's like they like they know the country,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: they know like where the best of the best is.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: It's just like this great trip for me, you know,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: like all that I love about it. And I feel
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: that those people just don't value like the challenge of
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: having to go in there and figure out on their
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: own or what you just described, Like you have to
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: want to have that challenge and to be like, Okay,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: I gotta figure this out on my own because I
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: don't have the dude that you know, knows this basein
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: or knows how to walk out of here. You know
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: that unknown it to highly value that um to go
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: that route. There's some grown ups that read Harry Potter, right,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: and there's something that read pension. It's just like there's
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: like different kinds of people, you know, there's two kinds
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: of people. People who hunt with guys because they've developed
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: this relationship with them and they want to go hunt
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: with their buddy. Every year there a guide who has
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: become a very good friend, you know. Okay, yeah, but
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: since they didn't have like hours to explain my perspective
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  Speaker 1: and like roll in every possible caveyat, I'm just saying
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  Speaker 1: that that this is a doable It's a doable thing.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to pick an Alaska hunt, an unguided
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  Speaker 1: a last hunt, this is the one. It's a doable
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  Speaker 1: thing if you never hunt. Yeah, I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know why I'm even engaged in this conversation, Brodie,
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  Speaker 1: what do you got precluding thoughts? I'm pretty much good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm glad I got to meet
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  Speaker 1: Mark and Doug and it's been awesome. No, no, this
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  Speaker 1: is for the first time. My concluder is I hope
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to hold onto my my tent pole
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  Speaker 1: the night, but get touch Hurricane Force wins the first night.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring it up because this is the ship
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  Speaker 1: that maybe maybe the camera guys need to start stepping
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  Speaker 1: it up. And when there's gale Force wins, you guys
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  Speaker 1: just gotta plug in the batteries and get out in
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  Speaker 1: there and start filming so they can make it into
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  Speaker 1: the because we had like death hikes that don't make
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  Speaker 1: it into the show. And now the first night we
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: were here, it blows. It wasn't quite enough to hold
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  Speaker 1: me up. I tried leaning into it a little bit
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  Speaker 1: as I was out redoing the stakes, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: quite that. But when I woke up, bro you can
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: finish up here, because that's got your stories worse. When
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  Speaker 1: I wake up, finally opened my eyes. Well, we've been
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  Speaker 1: in and out of leap because it was the wind
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  Speaker 1: was shaking the tent a lot, but I'd wake up
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  Speaker 1: and he was all good. And then finally opened my
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: eyes once and I'm like, holy ship, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris.
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  Speaker 1: And I can see Chris on the other side of
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  Speaker 1: the tent, but I can also see all of the
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: tundra behind Chris. Chris the ground anymore, and I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 1: I need to just wake him up so he will
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  Speaker 1: grab the edge and just pull it back to the
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  Speaker 1: ground and hang on to it so I can restake,
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  Speaker 1: which is pretty much what happened, right Chris, Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: we did that, but we did what that happened is
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  Speaker 1: we restaked Brody's up restaken too over his cent. I'm like,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: all right, he's got he got taken care of. So
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  Speaker 1: Chris and I each dig out some ear plugs somewhere,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: putting our ear plugs and go to sleep. Sleep the
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: rest of the night. But we didn't hear Brody. Well,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: it got worse, got a little wind ear and the
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: wind kind of shifted around to a different direction, and uh,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: half the tent blew up. And these tents have one big,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: long it's not like a teepee style tent. Yeah, he's
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: in the gear tent, and I'm in the gear tent,
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  Speaker 1: which means like a lot of like expensive ship that
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: we need to make the show with. And and and
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: the tent blows up and the only thing holding it
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: here is the main steak. So for probably twenty minutes,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: I'm just holding onto that steak, hoping the tent doesn't
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: blow into the canyon below us, and uh, trying to yaunt.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: These guys come and help me. But they had some
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: real good ear plugs in. Eventually it died down enough
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: where I could get get some rocks on the tent
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: and have it hold till the morning. Not only to
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: play good camper, bad camper, but ridge Pounder can bag
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  Speaker 1: me up on this. I I'm sleeping in a little
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: three person, three person nemo tent hornet, nice low profile,
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  Speaker 1: load of the ground, profile, lowder the ground. And not
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: just that. But as I explained the Pounder, I found
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: the lee of a hill. Then within that I found
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: the lee of a rock outcrop, and within that I
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: rocked the I like had a small quarry going on
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: and staked out and then piled rocks on my stakes
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: and I slept through that thing. You were playing a
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: long game with your tent, choosing spot, and I went
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: around spreading word to other campers in my vicinities rocking
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: out their tent. I'm very gladd well these tents were Look,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: these tents were rocked out. It was blowing hard enough
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: that that wind was moving those rocks with you. And
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: this is a very different beast because you're in You're
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: in the big gear tent. I'm in little little profile tam. Yeah,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: that that support pole was buckled in the wind man.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: It was pretty impressive. Alright. So dire, I guess you
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: get like you know, because Jannie came to your defense.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: You get a second go around on a concluder. I
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: would just say it has been spectacle ler filming and
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: photography photographed. It's been spectacular to cover this, uh the
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: spectacle up here on a forty mile herd. Sweet is it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Anyone else any last thoughts? Oh? Dog got his concluded?
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  Speaker 1: You know? I, Um, I didn't and sorry, no Jo.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be here, um, which I really
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: am just happy to be here. But you know, for
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: someone who's done of his hunting on private land, and uh,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: not just that but land you own. Yeah, um, you know,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: I've been supportive of conservation on public land as well,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: but my focus has been conservation on private land. To
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: come up here and to be a part of this
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: and too be in this, to fly over it, to
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: fly into it, to be dropped in the middle of it. Um,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: it's just very overwhelming, quite honestly, to be to be here,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that it exists, and um, very
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: happy that I now have a public land story to tell.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: Was that the first big game animal you've you've taken
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: that was not a white tail? It's pretty awesome. Y.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't you know, we talked about that, but I
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: hadn't really hadn't really occurred to me until until tonight.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: All right, man, well, let's let's do a moment of
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  Speaker 1: silence to to to just experience the um the rain
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  Speaker 1: on tenth m hmm do you have. Ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for joining talking