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Football at Four: What's Next for the Eagles Offense? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Football and four powered by the Inside the Birds podcast
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  Speaker 1: and of course it has brought you by the Fanatic
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  Speaker 1: Sports Book At Ocean Cansino Resort in Atlantic City, it's
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  Speaker 1: place to be this football season, which is winding down
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  Speaker 1: to the final three weeks of the season, the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: looking to snap a twenty year draft of back to
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  Speaker 1: back division champions. Let's get Jeff Mosher's take on what
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  Speaker 1: he saw from the Birds in their win against the Raiders. Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: is it just the Raiders or did we start to
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  Speaker 1: see some things that make you feel warm and fuzzy
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  Speaker 1: moving forward here that maybe, just maybe the offense is
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  Speaker 1: catching up to the defense and turning that corner. We
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  Speaker 1: saw some things in the game the week before that.
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  Speaker 1: You said, last week, Hey, they tried some new things.
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  Speaker 1: I like what they've tried to do. Did they implement
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  Speaker 1: more in the game that actually worked on Sunday against
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders? How are you, my friend?
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  Speaker 2: Good? Mike good? Yeah, they certainly did implement some things.
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  Speaker 3: You know, last week we talked about more modern passing concepts,
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  Speaker 3: and this week against the Raiders, they made a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of more of an implementation into how they run
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  Speaker 3: the ball.
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  Speaker 2: There predominantly.
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  Speaker 3: We've known them to be an inside zone running team.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we don't have to get into details of
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  Speaker 3: what it means to be a zone run, but you
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  Speaker 3: know what they did in this game was and they
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  Speaker 3: started it right from the start. You saw three tight
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  Speaker 3: ends on the field on their opening drive, Calcaterra, Goddart
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  Speaker 3: and Cam Latu, and they used Cam Latsuo to come
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  Speaker 3: across the line of scrimmage a lot as a lead
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  Speaker 3: blocker in what we call gap scheme runs, which is
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  Speaker 3: involves pulling linemen, hat on hat blocking, not zone blocking
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  Speaker 3: where sometimes you're blocking an area or taking somebody for
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  Speaker 3: a ride, but real hat on hat, guy on guy,
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  Speaker 3: and then you know pulling and trapping with linemen or
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  Speaker 3: with using LAT two to come across the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 3: On the seventeen yard Barclay run, Lat two came around
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  Speaker 3: and sealed the edge with an ice wall block and
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  Speaker 3: created that space for Sakwonda and also on that play
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  Speaker 3: lands and pulled from the left his left guard spot
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  Speaker 3: to the outside on the right and sprung helped spring Barkley.
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  Speaker 3: So I know that when you look at their overall
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  Speaker 3: run success, they had their second highest yards per game.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was one hundred and eighty six. Their
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  Speaker 3: average was three point nine, which still isn't very good,
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  Speaker 3: but some of that is skewed by tush push, goal
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  Speaker 3: line run, short yarded runs. I think there were probably
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  Speaker 3: if you took those out, somewhere in the four point
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  Speaker 3: something yards per carry, which is an improvement for this team.
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  Speaker 1: Sadly To's saying, yeah, yeah, well, listen the way they
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  Speaker 1: ran the ball the other day. I thought the one thing, Now,
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  Speaker 1: the game's kind of out of hands, so they're running
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  Speaker 1: more as the game goes on there, but they stuck
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  Speaker 1: with the run early in the game, and I thought
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  Speaker 1: it set up some things. They're under center thirty times,
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  Speaker 1: and it's set up a lot more looks in the
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  Speaker 1: past game, especially underneath. I thought the throw he made
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  Speaker 1: to AJ Brown, you know, it was a play where
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  Speaker 1: he had multiple options on that play.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: there were.
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  Speaker 1: Creativity is better, but there were some things that you
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  Speaker 1: could do that were set up because they ran the
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  Speaker 1: ball more and just because of their formations seemingly gave
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  Speaker 1: them some better options.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking about you the whole time, Mike and
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  Speaker 3: your your diatribe, and why don't the Eagles go under
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  Speaker 3: center more? And if I saw the numbers that they
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  Speaker 3: had under center and they didn't do it more, I
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  Speaker 3: would fire that guy, said Mike gil They were clearly
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  Speaker 3: afraid that you were going to own the team and
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  Speaker 3: fire them because they did go under center a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: And hey, it worked, so that's good. I think it
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  Speaker 2: works as much in the passing game.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it wasn't just me.
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  Speaker 1: Vic Fangio admitted, like, Hey, when I'm defending against a
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  Speaker 1: team and they have guys under center, it makes it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even slightly more difficult for me to prepare
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  Speaker 1: for them.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I believe, he also said, next said not not significantly,
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  Speaker 3: but it does, yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Well, I mean even in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: I think if you watch them play the game on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday with it go under some thirty times, there were
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  Speaker 1: things that were much more open for them, you could
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  Speaker 1: see that there were Now is it the Raiders?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean the Raiders have something to
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  Speaker 4: do with that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure were Well the answer because I've been asked
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  Speaker 3: that a couple of times. The only answer I can
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  Speaker 3: give you, And I thought we talked about this last week,
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  Speaker 3: is that if you go up and down the Raiders schedule,
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  Speaker 3: yes they're bad.
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  Speaker 2: There they were two and eleven going into the game.
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  Speaker 2: They're three and eleven.
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  Speaker 3: Now I think they probably you could argue that they
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  Speaker 3: have the worst fifty three in all football.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how they beat the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: in the season open. That must have just been a shock.
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  Speaker 3: But they clearly only have two players that you even
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  Speaker 3: think are all at any good in Brock Bowers and
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  Speaker 3: Max Crosby. But if you go up and down the
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  Speaker 3: ross their schedule, Mike, they've got They played the Broncos twice.
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  Speaker 3: They lost ten to seven and twenty four to seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: So that's two one possession games that they lost to
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  Speaker 3: that maybe the best team in the AFC.
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  Speaker 2: Or the NFL. By They lost thirty one, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: thirty to twenty nine to the.
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars, who are leading the AFC South and in the
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  Speaker 3: three seed right now.
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  Speaker 2: So that was a one point game. They lost by
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  Speaker 2: one point to the Chicago Bears. So the point I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Making is, yeah, you know, the Raiders get off the
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  Speaker 3: bus for the most part.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the point you're making too, the point that you're making,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know what words in your mouth is,
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  Speaker 1: but there are teams that are playoff teams. Jacksonville and
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  Speaker 1: Chicago both in play for the number one seed, and
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  Speaker 1: they went tooth and nail. So just to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's the Raiders so I can't buy it, do you
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  Speaker 1: say that for Chicago and Jacksonville who had a tough
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  Speaker 1: time getting paid, or Denver who had a tough time
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  Speaker 1: putting them away?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, now Denver you could say it's an AC rivalry,
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  Speaker 3: So you can understand that a little bit. But that's why, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we use those other games as good contact.
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  Speaker 2: Now. I know they lost the Chargers a couple of
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago.
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  Speaker 3: They lost thirty one to fourteen, so that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a blowout. But that game was seven to nothing at
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  Speaker 3: the half, so it wasn't like it was a cake
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  Speaker 3: roll from the start.
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  Speaker 2: For the Chargers. So, like I said, they get off
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  Speaker 2: the bus, they try.
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  Speaker 3: To play, you you know, I mean, they're not just
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  Speaker 3: out there going through the motions. They're bad, but they
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  Speaker 3: try hard. Pete Carroll has them at least, you know,
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  Speaker 3: giving effort. I thought Kenny Pickett was giving effort. He
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  Speaker 3: was getting killed left and right. You know, the backs crossed.
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  Speaker 2: It was the effort. He had a sack. He got
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  Speaker 2: mad at Devin White for I guess misplaying a gap.
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  Speaker 3: So it's so my point is the Eagles didn't play
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  Speaker 3: a team that just said gay, kick the crap out.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they they earned it that ass kicking.
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  Speaker 4: Oh listen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, anytime in the NFL you win thirty one nothing
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  Speaker 1: and you dominate somebody, you know that that's something that
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  Speaker 1: you should definitely take account for, like because if you
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  Speaker 1: don't dominate them, then it's well, you only beat that
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  Speaker 1: team so and so by you know whatever. The Eagles
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  Speaker 1: dominated that team and they did it by no penalties
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  Speaker 1: three I mean a low penalty game, and they executed.
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  Speaker 1: They they had plays and they made plays. So can
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  Speaker 1: they build it right? And no turnovers? So can they
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  Speaker 1: build off of that? You know, that's the kind of
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  Speaker 1: game they need. A low pass game from Hurts. You know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously he came out in the third quarter. If he's
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  Speaker 1: in the twenty two to twenty five pass range, and
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  Speaker 1: then he added a little bit with his legs. They
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  Speaker 1: ran the ball. They had a purpose in their game.
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  Speaker 1: The other day, it seemed like and their defense was
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  Speaker 1: just outstanding.
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  Speaker 2: Defense was really good. They did some different things up
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  Speaker 2: front well, and they've been doing it a little.
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  Speaker 3: More, but they did in this game too, where they're
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  Speaker 3: really stunting a lot and double stunting, you know, which
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  Speaker 3: is not something you frequently see from the Eagles or
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  Speaker 3: other teams.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, you got to pick your spots when
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  Speaker 2: you want.
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  Speaker 3: To have have that have two linemen criss crossing each
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  Speaker 3: other on both sides of.
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  Speaker 2: The line, because you can leave yourself vulnerable.
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  Speaker 3: But they they have the athleticism to do that now
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  Speaker 3: with Jaylen Phillips who has played inside in nickel and
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  Speaker 3: you know, Brandon Graham has played inside in nickel the
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl year. So now that they've got guys who
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  Speaker 3: can do it and have played inside and outside, they're
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  Speaker 3: using that versatility more and that was effective for them too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I want to get your thoughts on Graham and
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  Speaker 1: kind of give us maybe a big picture thing about him.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see him primarily in that role now as
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  Speaker 1: a inside pass rush defensive tackle, Well.
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  Speaker 3: It depends when Jalen Carter comes back. He's clearly serving
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  Speaker 3: that role because Jaalen Carter has been out now I
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  Speaker 3: had an interesting chat I wrote it on Philly Voice
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  Speaker 3: with a sports physician who was explaining to me about
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  Speaker 3: the PRP injections.
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  Speaker 2: And I spoke to a couple actually, and there's some real.
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  Speaker 3: Doubt in the medical community about the efficacy of PRP
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  Speaker 3: injections because there's no as I was told, there's no
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  Speaker 3: proven data to suggest that these work better or these
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  Speaker 3: relieve enough pain.
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  Speaker 2: And take away the discomfort.
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  Speaker 3: So it will be interesting to see if Jalen Carter
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  Speaker 3: is any more effective when he gets back. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: some of it could just be it took two weeks
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  Speaker 3: off of the contact and now you might feel a
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  Speaker 3: little bit better.
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  Speaker 2: But whenever he has isn't going away.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a cure, right, It's it's not like surgery
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  Speaker 3: when you have these PRP injections.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's just trying.
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  Speaker 3: To heal the area a little bit with the regenerated
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  Speaker 3: blood platelets. So all that is for me to say,
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  Speaker 3: if John Carter comes back but he's laboring, he's not
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  Speaker 3: as effective, maybe you will see Brandon Graham in there
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  Speaker 3: at times an interior rusher.
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  Speaker 2: I doubt it, but it's possible a lot to see.
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  Speaker 1: And then I want to kind of get you know,
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Eagles pass rush moving forward here,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, I felt like the last couple years,
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  Speaker 1: we're like, Dad, do they have enough pass rush? And
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  Speaker 1: then late in the year they really started to come
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  Speaker 1: on with younger guys. Do you see that happening again
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  Speaker 1: this year? Jlyx Hunt, Nolan Smith, they obviously have Phillips.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you look at this team now, You're
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  Speaker 1: getting ready for the playoff run, and then during the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs last year is when those the Hunts and the
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  Speaker 1: Smiths really just took off.
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  Speaker 4: Do we see that happening again this year?
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  Speaker 2: That's tough for me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we are only this goes back to how
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  Speaker 3: we always talk about people want to remember what they
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  Speaker 3: saw last Right, We're only two games removed from the
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  Speaker 3: Eagles not getting a whole lot of pressure against the
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  Speaker 3: Bears and then not getting a whole lot of pressure
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  Speaker 3: the week before against the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: And not much has changed.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they had Jalalen Phillips there, they had Brandon
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  Speaker 3: Graham for those games, and if we're being very honest,
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  Speaker 3: both the Chargers and the Raiders were starting multiple as
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  Speaker 3: in like three or four backups on their offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd like to see this Saturday against the Commanders,
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  Speaker 3: who may not be a great team, but they have
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  Speaker 3: a healthy and good offensive line, and then like to
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  Speaker 3: see them against the Bills to really know if this
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  Speaker 3: pass rush is back.
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  Speaker 2: To being an elite one.
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  Speaker 3: Sure it looks like that over two weeks, but they're
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  Speaker 3: really facing a bunch of backups.
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  Speaker 1: Fair, let's go back to the offensive side of the
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  Speaker 1: ball real fast. I want to get your take on
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: They ran the ball better, they.
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  Speaker 1: Threw the ball better, they had good protection, but is
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line struggling coming around? I heard I think
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  Speaker 1: was Ruben Frank asked a question today about the pass protection,
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  Speaker 1: and you know they haven't given up as many sacks recently.
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  Speaker 1: What do we make of where their offensive line is
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  Speaker 1: because they should get Lane Johnson back, maybe even as
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  Speaker 1: soon as this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's been better.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that play that I mentioned where Dickerson pulled
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  Speaker 3: from the left guard spot out to the right side
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  Speaker 3: to cover up who was a Jeremy Chin maybe showed
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  Speaker 3: that despite the calf injury, he was moving pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: So that was a good sign.
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  Speaker 3: I think Jurgen's still a guy who and again they
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  Speaker 3: didn't have a whole lot of dropbacks against the Raiders
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  Speaker 3: at twenty at most, so it's not like we have
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  Speaker 3: a really large sample size. But I think he was okay,
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  Speaker 3: but he's not looking like the guy who he was
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  Speaker 3: the year before coming off that surgery now.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the big thing was that I think
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Steam was the only guy who had a penalty.
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  Speaker 3: You know, my Lota had a nice block on the
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  Speaker 3: god Her touchdown, But again, like you definitely have to
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  Speaker 3: weigh that against who they were playing, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's why that's why I think the next two weeks
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  Speaker 3: are critical, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: I really think that by the end of that Bills.
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  Speaker 3: Game, we'll we'll know if the Eagles are the same
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  Speaker 3: old Eagles team from this year that just doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: enough to really be a super Bowl team, or if
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  Speaker 3: some of these changes on offense and concepts and this
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  Speaker 3: growing defense has really come together at the right time
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  Speaker 3: and now they're getting going into the playoff.
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  Speaker 1: I were talking with Jeff Mosher Football four Inside the
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  Speaker 1: Birds podcast Philly Voice dot com, where he also writes
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  Speaker 1: about the Eagles, and you know you wrote today about
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  Speaker 1: the are they getting back to super Bowl caliber on
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  Speaker 1: this defense. I mean, if you watch that game the
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  Speaker 1: other day, seventy five yards, we're wondering what are some
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  Speaker 1: of the things that they can kind of take from
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  Speaker 1: what they did in that game and keep, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because this is when their defense last year started to
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  Speaker 1: become like, WHOA, this defense is at a different level
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  Speaker 1: and you had it from virtually all three levels of
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  Speaker 1: the field.
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  Speaker 4: Is it feeling the same there?
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  Speaker 1: Like that second corner spot's been a question, the safety
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  Speaker 1: spot is that secured the linebackers?
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  Speaker 4: You got Dan in there.
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  Speaker 1: Now it seems like Campbell's kind of falling out of
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  Speaker 1: the rotation. Do you have enough upfront? Do we look
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  Speaker 1: at a super Bowl level defense? Because that's essentially what
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  Speaker 1: carried them to the Super Bowl win win last last year.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think when I think of last year's defense,
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  Speaker 3: the biggest thing I think of, especially at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the year, is the amount of takeaways they were
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  Speaker 3: able to secure, which really helped them as the offense
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  Speaker 3: kind of was you know, the rushing offense was great,
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  Speaker 3: the overall offense was just okay. And if you look
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  Speaker 3: at the Eagles this year, they didn't have a ton
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  Speaker 3: of takeaways, and they did.
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  Speaker 2: They start off the.
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  Speaker 3: Season hot, they had like five in the first four weeks,
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  Speaker 3: but then they wound up going through some spells when
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  Speaker 3: they had none against Denver, none against the Giants in
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  Speaker 3: that loss, they didn't have any in the win against
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  Speaker 3: the Giants, they didn't have had any against Green Bay.
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  Speaker 2: They won against the Lions.
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  Speaker 3: But over the last few weeks, you know, you saw
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  Speaker 3: one against the Chargers, three against I'm sorry, three against
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  Speaker 3: the Chargers, one against the Raiders. They have one against
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  Speaker 3: the Bears, two against the Cowboys. So that's seven in
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  Speaker 3: the last four games. That's a pretty good spot. And
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  Speaker 3: if you take it a step further, it's even more
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  Speaker 3: against Green Bay and Detroit. So to the defense that's
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  Speaker 3: really starting to come there, hit the quarterback, confuse back.
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  Speaker 3: So if that's who they're going to be over the
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  Speaker 3: next two weeks especially, then you really like their chances.
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  Speaker 2: I just the one thing that I think would hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Them is if the offense did not continue to evolve
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  Speaker 3: with the defense, because as you saw against Chicago and
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  Speaker 3: you saw against the Chargers, really when the defense is
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  Speaker 3: on the field too much, it's no good.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like you can't ask them to win.
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  Speaker 3: You can't ask them to be the entire game, and
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  Speaker 3: that's what they had to be against the Chargers.
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  Speaker 2: And at the end of the game he saw Herbert
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  Speaker 2: make some plays there.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, even though they got ran on by
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  Speaker 3: the Bears, that was a pretty close game. But eventually
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  Speaker 3: they give up that that touchdown to Comet, right, that
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  Speaker 3: was kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Like the nail in the coffin. They can't they can't
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  Speaker 2: ask them to make You can't ask.
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  Speaker 3: Them to win the game in every single facet and
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: make up for an offense that's not going to score.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: The offense has to score at least twenty points.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the offense has to score at
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: least twenty points. But if you see this offense in
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: the role that it played on Sunday, they should be
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: able to do that. That offense that we saw, you know,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: run the ball, put the quarterback, give him a little
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: bit more in the run game. We'll see what that
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: ankle looks like if he you know, we don't have
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: the injury report out yet, but I know Nick was
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: asked about him today and he didn't give you much.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: He basically said, oh, yeah, the report will be coming
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: out soon you can see that. I don't see the
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: report out yet, but that'll be interesting to see if
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: he is on that because it seems that right around
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: this time of the year the last couple of seasons,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: he has had something that has forced him to miss
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: some games late in the year. So that's one of
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: the reasons why that I want to run him all
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: that much. Yet twenty four nothing he gets hurt on
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: that run, Yeah.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: That would not be good. Injury is never good, and
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: they've hurt this team, I guess. To your point though,
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: on offense, you said, like this is how they should
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: be against the Raiders, but if you look at their
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: offensive output against teams that are probably going to be
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs, it's not good. You know, nineteen against
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: the Chargers, fifteen against the Bears. I know they beat
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: the Lions and Packers, but they scored ten points against
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: the Packers and sixteen against the Lions.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: That was good enough to win those games.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: But again, in the playoffs, when you gotta win three,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: potentially four games, I just don't think you.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Can win sixteen, nine and ten seven four times.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: So you can do it maybe once and get away
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: with it, but no offense has the offense has to
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: score points against playoff caliber teams.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And the other thing is too, You're playing the
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Raiders with Kenny Pickett and not a very good offense
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: that you've absolutely dominated.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: We talk about this yesterday, the fact you give up
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: seventy five points against it. There are a lot lesser
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this league that have generated more than seventy
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: five yards. Kenny Pickett is not a very good quarterback,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: but even to hold any team to seventy five yards
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: is it's a dominating performance.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: So there are eleven plays this year in the NFL
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: where one play has been seventy five or more yards.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: So and I think no, no, maybe in eight teams,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: because Jonathan Taylor has at least three. So Jonathan Taylor
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: has three plays of more yards than the Raiders had
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: against the Eagles on Sunday.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Before I said to put it in perspective the game
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship a couple of years ago where
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: the forty nine ers had a quarterback that wasn't throwing.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: They had more than seventy five yards in that game.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: You know what they did defensively the other day was outrageous.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, the question for the Eagles is you know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: because there's gonna be that game where your defense just
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't play at that level.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: It always happens where okay, they give up twenty one.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: We saw it in the Denver game where late in
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the game you have a lead and they give up
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: two late scores in that game. At this point, by
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the way, as we're as I'm thinking about that Denver game,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: because everybody seems to have a loss this year that's
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: been a bad loss. The Eagles lost to the Giants,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the Rams lost to Carolina. You know, everybody has that
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: one loss. The Patriots lost to the Raiders. Where that
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: bad losses. You can't afford to have that.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Now, No, that's usually the early season clunker. You can't
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: can't have one now at this point, you're.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Right right, and then you play the rate the.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Game right now it's like seeding or playoff or even
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: the division seems to be on the line.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Well, having to play Washington twice is you're in that
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: tricky spot where it's like, eh, they're done, what are
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: they really playing for? And you feel like I don't
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: like playing the same team at every as close as
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: they're playing Washington here.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either, but it seems to be the
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: thing in the league.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Like the Panthers are gonna play the Buccaneers two times
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: over the next three weeks. The Packers are playing the
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Bears again this week. That's the second time in the
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: last three weeks. So, I mean, it sort of makes
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: for good late season drama, but I also don't care for.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: It all right.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher from the Inside the Birds podcast, which you
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: can get on all podcasting platforms, and of course you
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: could read more from him over at Phillyvoice dot com
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of great coverage on this Eagles run towards
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. Right now, they are the three seed, and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: their best pass seems to be a three seed, right.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: It doesn't seem they have a very good chance. They
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: don't very good chance to get the one seed at all,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and a very minimal chance to get that two seed.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: That's not well, you know, like that's a good question.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't. It's it's really not that far away,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: So the Rams are the one seed, right, and they are,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: but they have to play Seattle on Thursday night, and
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: they have to do it without Davonte Adams. So Seattle
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: almost won that game the first time. So if the
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Rams don't win, they're eleven and four. The Eagles win
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: their ten and five, so now you're one game behind.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: The Bears have to play the Packers.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: If the Packers win the game, they get to ten
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: four and one, so that would be better than ten
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: and five, But then it would come down to the season,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: you know, the next two week.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not I wouldn't quite say.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: It's like, well, we were looking at this year impossible.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: We were looking at this yesterday. And let me see
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: if I could bring this up onto the screen so
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: that you could see it as well. But I don't know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: can I do that, Torell if I get in the background,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: put that in the screen. But it looks like it's
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: a pretty long shot for them to get the number
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: one seed. They need two losses by the Rams, three
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: losses by Seattle, two losses by San Francisco.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Oh I forgot about.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, because if Seattle beats the Rams, they
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I think they leap frog into the number one seed.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: So there's the scenarios. I don't know if you can,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: if you can try to make it a little bit
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: bigger so that you can see it a little bit better.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: But it is a pretty long shot that you're going
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: to be able to Now I made it too big,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a pretty.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Long Seattle even if so, if Seattle beats the rams'.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Your there's your one seed.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Stuff gotcha. If Seattle beats the Rams, though.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Right, the Rams would then have to lose to either
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Atlanta or Arizona.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is probably the more improbable one. But Seattle's
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: schedule is not easy. They have to play the Panthers
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: on the road and the forty nine ers on the road,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: so and who knows what the Rams not having DeVante,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: maybe they get picked off in against Seattle and.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Then another team. It's not completely out of the realm.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: And then green Bay has a pretty you know, they've
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: got the Bears coming up. But then even after the Bears,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: they have the Ravens and then the Viking. So again,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not probable, but not impossible. I think
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: the question you would want to ask though, my gig.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Well, well, by the way, it's just to clinch the
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: one seed in the NFC, all five of the things
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: have to happen. Yeah, I guess La has to lose twice,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Seattle has to lose twice, San Francisco has to lose twice,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Chicago has to lose twice, and Green Bay has to
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: lose one more time.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. So let's say that they're not
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: going to do that, right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I think sitting in the third seed, which would match
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: you up against the Niners, succeed right now is almost
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: better than being the two seed and having going to
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: go up against right now Green Bay right or at
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: worst it could be Chicago, which has already beaten you.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: If Green Bay leaf from Chicago, Chicago goes to the
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: seventh seed, then all of a sudden, you're looking at that.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, this forty nine Ers team is good,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: but they've played a cake cake sched well, they got
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: injury all over.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: They are a wild card because they have been banged
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: up a lot and yet they keep winning and nobody's
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: really talking about them. They haven't had a lot of
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: national primetime games, so people haven't really seen on them
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that much. But yeah, the Eagles, by the way to
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: clinch at least the number two seed in the NFC.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: The Rams, Seattle, and San Francisco all have to lose
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: two times, or Chicago has to lose twice and Green
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Bay has to lose once. Now the green Bay losing
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: once in the Chicago losing twice. Chicago plays Green Bay
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: at San Francisco and Detroit, so that's a possibility. So
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the two seed there is a little sliver there.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I again, I wouldn't want it. I wouldn't
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: want to play an NFC nor team as the two seed.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I would rather stay in the three and play the
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: forty nine ers, assuming that they stay in the sixth seed.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: If anything, the worst thing that could happen was have
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: a little slide here and drop into the fourth seed,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: because the number five seed is most like.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Going to be either the Rams or the Seahawks, and
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: that's not what you want.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: All right, Jeff Boucher from the Inside of the Birds podcast,
• 23:07
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• 23:09
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• 23:12
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• 23:14
  Speaker 4: All right, most appreciate it, man, See you Byke