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American Me vs. Blood In Blood Out Which Is the Greatest? · Gentlemen Hour

• Filthy P: You ready? You are you ready? Are you ready? ⁓ That's one sweet berry. Uncle, this one's this one might be it real, brother. This one's this is a serious topic. We're gonna have some fun, but it also is a topic that you know we can't get too funny with it. It's a serious thing. Do they give ⁓ awards like on YouTube? Yeah. Yeah like ⁓ like a YouTube Oscar? No, they have some they have I saw something for like podcast awards, but you gotta pay. I'm like The heck kind of show award is that? For your consideration. Me? The show fooled me. Me, the leading man. Me? All right, Uncle. ⁓ American Me versus Blood in, Blood Out. Which movie defined you, defined me, defined us as a community? ⁓ were we too young to understand a movie like Blood in, Blood Out? Or even were American Me, American Me was crazy. ⁓ growing up a Latino, these were the two, these were two of the first, the only. Well, no, no, there were some before you said Wolverine Knights and other stuff, but for me, I guess, coming up, these were the two that hit the hardest at an age where I was like, you know, at the same a age as some of the characters in the movie. it made me kind of like Proud, you know, like, ⁓ shit, this is cool, you know, Mexican, she got you know, but then it also was like, Yeah, and I don't know, this kind of scares me. Like this crazy, you know what I mean? Like after some of the stuff I saw. So ⁓ I think there's just like certain movies that hit, and I know it hit me, I know it hit you. ⁓ and that's what we're talking today. American Me and Blood In, Blood Out. ⁓ we watch them as kind of young use, but guess what? Now we're older. I rewatched, I rewatched both of them this week because I wanted to give them both a fair shot. I haven't seen them in a minute. And ⁓ is it the same? Do you still have those same feelings? Do you still have those same thoughts? Do you still think they're cool? Do you still think they're not? I don't know. We're gonna find out, but ⁓ we're gonna find out next. This one's gonna get deep. So deep, put her ass to sleep next on the gentleman's hour. That's it, bro. Get to it. Drop the intro. I I I can't wait. Wait. I can't wait later. I can't wait. Okay. So all right, Unc. ⁓ so we're talking about American Me and Blood in Blood Out. And to be fair, because I didn't want to just come off here, come on and and free ball it and go off of my horrible memory. So last night I watched Blood in Blood Out late. So I was a little tired, but I watched it after ⁓ after our bowling. I threw it on. Yeah. And ⁓ and then today ⁓ I watched American Me. So I'm fresh, fresh in the game. ⁓ I gotta open my phone. I I made little notes last night. ⁓ yeah, there we go. ⁓ damn, all these notes. I can't read all this. ⁓ no, that's another one. All right, Unc. ⁓ let's start with ⁓ the first sit, but if something a little bit different, what was your 'cause I know you were saying quotes all day, quotes all day. What's your favorite quote from each movie or maybe your favorite scene from each movie? ⁓ my favorite quote By far. Probably the one I've said probably the most is from Blood in Blood Out, and that's ⁓ life's a risk, carnal, for sure. I mean Wait, wait, who said that? Miklo? ⁓ no, who is it? I think it's I think it's Paco. When did he say it? Before he said, at beginning. I don't I don't remember what's what scene at the beginning, but then they say it at the end in that in the at the the very final scene ⁓ where they're talking by the by the mural on the on the watch and he goes, ⁓ yeah. Remember? Life's a risk, are not remember? So I know they said at the beginning. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. It just it's a quote that like to me, I mean, just I say it at work. Like, come on, let's go do this. ⁓ come on, I don't I don't know, but hey, come on, life's a risk, I'm not ⁓ right, well, whatever. It's just it's funny. It's just, you know, la la la. I'm not saying to take a risk, but it's just, you know, sometimes life is a risk or whatever. And then for American me Is is a little more serious. It's when they're when they're in that little you know, they break into at the beginning, right before they right before they take off, and they're ⁓ I think they're they might be doing tattoos, I don't remember. Okay. On the on the hands, and he goes, ⁓ when we were kids, belonging felt good, but having respect, ⁓ that feels even better. ⁓ bro, that's just that's just dope. I I remember as a kid, I didn't understand it. And then as I watched it as a teenager's like, ⁓ But as an adult, I was like, ⁓ this this is hard. This is dope. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were gonna say from blood in, blood out. Remember that weird looking dude that had the kind of long hair and you he always wanted to bang Miklo. And he said something like give me that cho or something. Give me some give me some chon chon. I thought that was gonna be 'cause I I thought I figured you would resonate with that dude. When we opened the door? Now you know what, bro? That ⁓ that that's that's a funny that's a funny line that we used to say all the time, bro. Like when we go out when I was when I was younger and we were single. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, what are you gonna do? You're gonna go get some John John. Yeah, I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try. Cool. ⁓ All right, let's start, let's get going, Uncle. Let's jump into this one. So let's start with some f some questions and we'll just we'll we'll both answer, okay? How old were you? When you first ⁓ tie? I'm assume I you first saw ⁓ both of these movies. ⁓ I think they came out in ninety three, right? Ninety four, ninety five, yeah. I think they're like a year apart. Maybe like ninety two, ninety three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, ninety two, ninety three, something that ⁓ I saw them when they came out on video. ⁓ so you were the older. Yeah, this was something that I don't think anybody in my I I the one that used to take one of the movies a lot was my sister, Rosie. This is something not up for Alley. She's watching any of these. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ my parents for sure never took me to the movies and they were not taking me to this for sure. Yeah. So I think yeah, it wasn't until it made its rounds. ⁓ most likely most likely on the roostery with my cousin Rick. yeah, American Me, Blood and Blood Out for sure. Had to be probably maybe I'm gonna say probably like eight eight or nine months after it came out, 'cause you know, when they come out on on on VHS. Right. Yeah, I don't remember watching ⁓ either in the theaters. I don't remember watching it. Yeah, it it it it had to be like a blockbuster to go to the movies. Like everything else, you just you wait until it it comes out on video. ⁓ I just remember it was maybe high school when it came out, I think. And so for me it was like that was the age where it was like, you know, you're starting to want to kind of be that bad dude, ⁓ you know, go against the the rules and all that. So it was like perfect timing, but yeah. ⁓ I do remember but you to me, American Me stood out like first, and then like I feel like I just kinda stumbled onto Blood in Blood Out. Like nobody said you know what I mean? Like American Me was like everybody knew American Me, but it like Blood in Blood Out, it just kinda stumbled and then it kinda I feel like it started gaining more popularity as it went on. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you see blood ⁓ yeah, I saw that. That's you know. Like it was just it was different. But ⁓ okay. ⁓ which one do you relate to more? And why and why? For me, I I I think it's blood in, blood out. Just because it it kinda it kinda it dwells more in I think longer in the movie in the the the younger years. Because in like in American Me, it's they start off young and then next you know they're like in jail and next you know they're adults. So all that life after that I I couldn't I didn't I mean I couldn't relate to any of it. ⁓ I've never been to jail, so I'm not like, you know, trying to be like, ⁓ yeah, you know, this was this was that accurate or not. ⁓ obviously I knew the references. I knew I knew the the background to it. But like blood and blood out, I mean, to have them when they're young and th and then they're cousins, you know what I mean? You always have like the homies, you have the cousins that are that are doing this, or you have the cousins that are like like like Paco, he's like a somewhat of a ladies man, he's smooth, he's slick, you know what I mean? And then you have the you have the artist and you have the you have Miklo who's like a mix. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you got mixed cousins and I got mixed cousins and I think I think in that sense, yeah. I mean obviously I'm I'm I never joined a gang and I never was in a gangbang, but just the just the I think just the the overall like like aura of it, I guess the the the complex in the relationships Like the you know, you have the the aunts, the two sisters and you have one that's kind of bad and she's out doing whatever, and then you have the guy that's, you know, just coming from well then you got the blended family with the you know, with the stepdad. ⁓ yeah. And you you know, you see that and you see that in people and you see that in the family and there's like, ⁓ so and so is is gone, but now he's got so and so. ⁓ all right. You know, so I think I think in that sense it's blood and blood out. Yeah. I'm not e I don't even have an answer 'cause I same thing. I I couldn't, you know. Yeah, I don't as far as relating, I don't know, neither one. So we'll go with just yours. did you so you probably watched it a little bit older since you said you didn't watch it in the movies, you wait away till it came out on VHS and stuff, but did you fully understand like what you were watching and like at that age, did it kinda like open your eyes? Did you know any of that? Like, ⁓ sh I didn't know what prison like that. I didn't know, you know what I mean? ⁓ do you remember any of that? Like it was like shocking or like ⁓ ⁓ I don't know, o revealing or you know what I mean? Something like that. ⁓ I think I think each movie kind of give gives me a different different outlook on certain things. I r I remember I remember when I watched when I watched American Me, I wasn't too familiar with the whole like Norteño and Sureño. Like I knew I knew like bloods crypts. I remember I mean, 'cause there's bloods Pocoima. ⁓ I knew you couldn't wear red. I knew obviously the you know, I was from Pocoima. I mean not from Pocoima, but I think I grew up in Pocoima. So there was no there was no sound fit affiliation on my end. But then when when I saw American Me and I was like, ⁓ the North Daniels. And but and I have family in Salinas, bro, and I remember when we would go over there like in the summer during those times. Like when I was twelve to like fifteen, I think we used to go every summer. And I would see guys rocking their, you know, all their red jerseys and red. There's a lot of there's a lot of Chiefs fans up here, you know what I mean? Or minors fans. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, you know, that's crazy, but I didn't really know. Yeah. And you know, I talked to my cousins and they were my age and they would tell me certain things and I I don't think it ever connected. Yeah. But it's like I I learned I I didn't I wouldn't say I learned, but I was a I was turned on to a lot of stuff that I didn't like especially like prison politics. Yeah I didn't really know about how they run stuff on the outside, how you know how they how they get everything is orchestrated and and kinda low key. Especially back then, 'cause you know, now you see it everywhere, bro. You look at like a Netflix, they have documentaries, yeah, yeah. National Geographic, on cable, whatever. But back then it wasn't it wasn't as as in the open as it is now. Yeah. And then ⁓ like I said, Blood and Blood Out I think was more relatable just because of the of the s of the street stuff. And just kinda like I think the biggest thing I took from from Blood and Blood Out is the peer pressure. Is the how easily you can get caught up just hanging out with with your with your with your homies, with your cousins. Just being out there just doing whatever and you're you know, it's it's it's like second nature to you. Yeah, yeah. Well, because you don't want to you don't wanna be the pussy of the group, you Yeah, you don't want to punk out everybody's hard so you don't wanna be the punk, yeah. Yeah. yeah, same thing. I didn't know about all that prison pol to me. American Me hit me harder. Probably because I saw that one first, so then Blood in Blood Out wasn't as shocking because it kind of the similar, you know, not the same, but similar. But ⁓ American Me just I was like, what this is crazy, 'cause I didn't know about that Mexican mafia, MA, all that. Yeah, and then I remember asking about like, is that real? And they're like, Yeah, I mean I we don't know if the story is real, but I think it's based off of, you know, it's supposed to be. you know, loosely based off of what's True events or whatever, right? True events or whatever, 'cause that the white dude remember J D was a real guy that lost his leg and he became I remember it was just like maybe ten, twenty years ago. He was still the leader. He was still alive. I don't know. He's probably dead now. I don't know. But he was still the leader of the La ⁓ you know, years ago. I don't know what happened then. Something his name was something like Peg leg, Joe Peg leg something or whatever. ⁓ but yeah, I it was definitely eye opening. I was already in high school, so I was already kind of like hip to the game, but It was definitely like sh ⁓ dang, prison is that sh crazy. You know what I mean? ⁓ okay, how about this? did these movies kind of make you feel more represented? Like, ⁓ these are Chicanos, these are, you know, Mexicans, like, ⁓ I it's cool to see Or were you like, dang, that's pr that kinda sucks. Like they're all in jail and doing drugs and killing each other, or were you like, ⁓ dope, I like, yeah, I think it represents my culture. ⁓ You know what? I remember when they when when they came out, I remember when they were in the movies, when they were in the the the obviously you watch the trailers on on on on T V. ⁓ I just thought it was cool. I just thought, ⁓ damn, this is cool. You know, I didn't obviously at that at that age I didn't understand or I didn't comprehend representation ⁓ stereotypes. ⁓ obviously I had seen like you know, like Teaching Chong. I didn't I didn't take that as offensive. I didn't take it as, you know, whatever. ⁓ certain shows that had some Hispanic characters or they're usually there were Puerto Rican and you know, so I I saw that, but I didn't I don't think I I I I dug deeper than what it was. So I just thought, yeah, it's another movie and you know and then you know it caught my attention because, you know, it's it it's it's Charlo stuff. It's these fools are wearing flannels. These fools are, you know, writing in little low riders. And so that that type of stuff I guess is associated with the with the culture. Yeah. But whether it represented it or or if made me feel a certain way, nah, not at that age. I mean now I'm like I understand I like I I know a little bit more. Obviously that goes into the way the studios act, the way the studios think and what what you know, they jump on American Me probably made a good amount of money or got a lot of attention and they said, ⁓ let's just make this other movie Or maybe they were being filmed at the same time, but yeah. Yeah, for me, ⁓ Yeah, I mean at that age, you yeah, you don't really know what I you know, you don't know what's going on or ⁓ this, you know, what kind of effect it has or whatever. I just thought it was cool. But I was already at that age at that age I feel like every you know, every teen kid, at least maybe back then and you're Mexican, you you w you wanted to kind of be a little like gangster. Maybe not in a full gang, but you know, you wanted to be as close as you c or at least for me, I wanted to be as close as I could. without actually being in a gate, you know what I mean? But it was like it was cool. Like when we were all you know, around everybody's around and hanging out. It's like, ⁓ yeah, we're we're rolling deep. This is cool. Now did I want to do all the sh they're doing the real gate? No, heck no. So that's why I never would have, you know, it just wasn't in my nature. But I feel like every kid at that age wants to be a little tougher and a little I remember, you know, kind of trying to dress a little I w I never never dressed like a cholo or anything, but, you know, throw some dickies on with a, you know, a button up or something. But not go as crazy. Yeah, not Dickey's a polo. ⁓ Dicky and a Dicky's A Polo and that that that's a fire outfit still to this day. I was still wearing that all the way in the cross. I remember it was a white staffer. And then like some some dark jeans. Yep. Yeah. Now that I look back, like when I just watched Blood In, Blood Out, it was kinda like I felt like it was a little bit ⁓ They were overdoing some of like, you know, it's like Niklo doesn't have a a a Mexican accent, but he's like going really hard with like our homes. It was just like, yeah, anything for a lot of you know. It was just like it just didn't sound natural to me. You know what I mean? But he's white. He's half white. I know, but it th none of them did. Even even ⁓ Benjamin Bratt seemed like he was trying a little bit. The only one that seemed a little natural was the artist. What's his name? ⁓ Cruz. Cruzito, yeah, yeah. He was the one that also I think ⁓ I think for me the the the biggest the biggest connection was with American Me because I remember I remember I remember there there was a kid that I went to school with, I think I had him for like fourth and like sixth grade. Uh-huh. And he was like heavy into ⁓ there's a gang there was a gang out back in the day called Lan Laddent time Poquimo. ⁓ huh. And he was heavy on them, bro. And it was him and his brother and his older brother. And then like a cut, like it was like three four generations that were in that. And then I remember thinking, like, man, when I saw American Me, I like, damn, that's kinda like Homeboy, dude. Like Homeboy was in it by by default. Like there was no other choice. You're born into it. Yeah, you know what I mean? So that one, yeah, that one did click for sure. All right. ⁓ Okay, let's go ⁓ let's rewind a little. So we're gonna go back to when we're youth youths, youths. When we were youths watching it. ⁓ So try to compare it to what you thought then to what you think now of it. Who did you think was the coolest character when you were young from each movie? Blood In, Blood Out, bro. Come on. Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Baco, dog. Baco Aguilar only? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In Aguilar in a f in a movie? Like the lead one of the leads. Bro, I lost my I lost my crap, dude. I was I was like, what? What's going on? I didn't know my God. And then and then there's a scene where they where they zoom in on his badge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It says Pacquagilado's like, ⁓ my God, dude, that's dope. Yeah, that is sick. That's crazy they they picked that. Yeah. And then American Me was J D. I thought J D was cool as hell. J D? J D's the one that put the hit on ⁓ put the hit on ⁓ Santana and No, it's the other foam. But J D was the captain. Remember the that one dude like, Hey, can you ⁓ Santana said he's gonna talk to J D and he said, No, no, no, it it's done deal. You know what I mean? J D was in charge already at that point. Damn, he was the other homeboy. That's a stretch. Okay. My favorite, of course, too, of course, you know. And then even when he's a cop, he's still cool. You know what I mean? Like he's bust. He was just he was cool the whole time. Miklo is like, yeah, whatever. He just tried too hard. Then he ended up being a dick. Killing that dude, his his mentor, right before he was about to see his daughter. That's fud up, bro. That's that's so Miklo it. Yeah, Miklo lost it for me. It's hard out there. It's hard out there. ⁓ so what I say, blood in, blood out, who was my favorite? ⁓ what's his name? Yeah, yeah, Paco. And then ⁓ American Me. Who's my favorite? I don't really have one in that. I mean I you know who I like? The Asian dude at the end. Remember he stays true and they're like, Hey Hey home, you coming out? And he's like, No today. He 'cause he didn't want to go take part in it. So you know he got yeah, yeah, yeah. He was cool with that dude. That was I like that dude. ⁓ 'cause he was by his side. He just he stayed he stayed loyal to the end. All right, Uncle ⁓ which one? No, no, we already did that, huh? What are we on? All right. And ⁓ is your opinion still the same from today that it was as a kid when you rewatch it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean the character doesn't change, not like it evolves any into anything else. Yeah, yeah. Right, right. Okay. ⁓ who did you not understand? ⁓ Or like not understand why they were doing the certain things. Like, was there anybody where you were just like for me, ⁓ I'll go first, like JD, when he switched it up on saying it was like, bro, that's his homie from and even what was his name, Mondo, even or Mundo, whatever. Even he like switched up on him in the end 'cause he got I said he got soft or whatever, but was like, bro, it was them three that started it. Like, so that was the biggest thing. Yeah, that would probably yeah. For me in that one. As a k as a kid I didn't understand. I was like, what? Why? Right. But then as I got older, I I realized that they were so so consumed with the gang that they they they was it was priority. It was number one. Number one in their lives, bro. And they had to do what they had to do. Yeah, but why did they have to do what they had to do? Why? Because he got soft, right? He he was messing up, bro. Right. He was messing up. But why was he messing up? I don't know why. Why? 'Cause that chick got to him. She softened him up. Remember? ⁓ when she when he was actually ⁓ when he sends him the sends her the letter or whatever? Yeah, but even but even before that, she was awake. Let me find my way. Remember he sends her he sends her the chain instead of to his little brother? That's f up. He already knew. Yeah, hey, that was Jacob Vargas, brother. ⁓ but ⁓ what did I say? ⁓ no, but I was saying The chick, remember? 'Cause she was like, You gotta be for Chicanos, you gotta be for the movement, you know And that started kinda softening him up, kinda like, Yeah, all right, you know, he started Hey, but she was that that's what that's you know, of course she's right, but bro, you can't be the leader of La ⁓ and be Yeah, it's alright. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy messed up, but it's cool. Remember in the very beginning, the one dude didn't want to kill his friend, he's like, ⁓ yeah, that's my old homeboy, my old cry partner and he would they just he just said, All right, okay and he's gave the look to ⁓ J or the other dude and they knew like, All right, he's a rap. You don't wanna do it, cool. Yeah, like you can't have any No mercy, you gotta do whatever they do. So Hey, but that chick was fine, dude. Yeah. Old timer, old time, like ⁓ she was fine. Yeah, she was even as a kid, I was like, ⁓ my god. Yeah, so was I she was wearing that nice little Mexican dress, you know, the the flower long dress, all ⁓ she was good, brother. She was good. All right. She teaches them how to drive stick, bro, and the little Yeah, but what about when he bangs her all crazy and she's like that's she's like stop and he bent throws her over. She's like, Stop. And bro, even I don't go that crazy. You know what I mean? And and I'm a wolf, you know, I'm a lion in the in the sack. Chill out. But even I wouldn't pull that. You know, she said no. She was like, stop. And he was like, he went prison style on her. Anyways, okay. where are we at? Who who do you think was the most tragic character? Like the most you were sat, like, ⁓ man, that that's jacked up from each one. The most tragic what? Like character. Like who did you feel most bad for? Like, ⁓ I got two. I got one for each movie. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me check my ⁓ cliff notes. This guy's scrolling through can't look it up online. I don't need you go in order? Do you want me to go first? No, I'm in order. You want me to go first? No, no, no, hold on. Tragic, tragic. Where's that at? ⁓ well I said who was the character that had the most tragedy? But basically I meant Yeah, like who's the most tragedy? ⁓ the most tragedy? ⁓ yeah, yeah. That would be Crucito. ⁓ yeah. Yeah, he was tormented, bro. Killed his little brother. Yeah. Okay. That's that's ⁓ that's why I had also for ⁓ no no good? Okay, l let me do blood in blood out. I had different. I had ⁓ what's the the leader's name? Santana? ⁓ wait ⁓ blood and blood out, Montana. Montana? Montana Montana. ⁓ okay. He's going, he hasn't seen his daughter in sixteen years. He's going to visit her fools all happy. He's shaving. That brother goes and hey, use this and then and then gaffles and boom boom boom. That to me, that he was a legit good dude. So to me it was like it was sad to see him and the even the the what is it? The BGF, the black gorilla family, their leader was cool too, 'cause he was like they were both like sensible and these other young warriors who wanted to go to war and they ended up going to war but I felt so bad when that fool got killed and he's coming his hair. He's all happy. He just shit. Yeah. And it was like, bro, you couldn't wait. He's gonna his daughter, bro. That's a He hadn't seen her in fifteen years. You couldn't wait. So to me that was like and then the fact when you find out that it was Miklo that ordered it, I was just like ⁓ He's the one that showed him the way, bro. He's the one that was his mentor. That dude loved him. That dude like remember when he was like he was just trying to gang bang? And he was like, Hey, don't you need to be trying to get ahead. You need to be trying to get out of here. You need to make parole. You need to study. You need to d you know, it was like he really cared for him, bro. And then he went and did that. Remember, he saved them when he killed Big Al. Big wanna send you to hell with Big Al. He kills Big Al and then the the the white boys were like we got his number and he's like, No, just work on it. And then that's when he makes a deal to take over the the the gambling. ⁓ yeah, yeah, okay. 'Cause it gives him I think it's like like eight grand or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Or else or else Nico would have been done, bro. Yeah, yeah. Well remember that one part where he comes back into jail after he's been out and he lost his leg and then he goes over there to collect or whatever and those fo those fools pin him down. Yeah, they're a top leg. They rip his leg off they rip his leg off, throw it. I was like, and where was all bro, where was all his hi the crew? They just let that sh go? That was disrespectful. And he was like a one of the leaders. He was he was one on the council, bro. All right. ⁓ we did you didn't do ⁓ American Me. Who was the most tragic character in American Me? In American Me? I would have to say Santana, bro. What about ⁓ Puppet had to kill forced to kill his little brother? Or you could do puppet. Yeah, yeah, little puppet, little puppet. I'd probably go to I'd go to Puppet. Puppet or Little Puppet? Puppet, 'cause Little Puppet was a idiot, bro. He should he was gonna get killed anyway soon enough, but the fact that's cold blooded, bro. They made the brother do it. Yeah. And then remember he's like, Don't look at me. Don't look at me. Look at me. And the and the little brother's like God. What is it? God damn me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's crying. God. Yeah. ⁓ man. Yeah, that's crazy. Hey, if you ever get like if my number gets called, like Mike He's like, hey, Paul ain't if filthy P ain' cutting it, bro. You gotta take him out. Don't do that, bro. Just put a bull in the back of my head. Don't choke me out like that, bro. Look at me, filthy P Don't look at me, filthy Pam me. That's that was that shit. Bro, that sh was like you can't tell me you ever had saw us anything like that in a movie before. Like, you know what I mean? Hey, that's another quote. Don't look at me. Yeah, don't look at don't look at me. ⁓ okay. what seemed like when you watch it the first time, what seemed like b you're like, ⁓ that's sick. But now you're like, that's that's pretty stupid or that's that's just that ain't that ain't it. ⁓ I don't have one for American me. 'Cause nothing really like I w I think got me like that. ⁓ but blood in blood out, I'm gonna tell you this, this is personal. ⁓ Okay. Cinco puntos, bro. What? Cinco puntos. Remember when he c when he gets out and he's like grandma cinco puntos and he comes out. And he's like, ⁓ this is the best thing I've had in nine years. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Bro, I had cinco puntos, bro. It's good, but but ain't nothing to write home about. And that so that's your your ⁓ So that's the one thing yeah, I'm like, man, what? Like as as a kid, I was like, ⁓ that's cool. Like, ⁓ man, like I wonder where that where that place is at, or those must be some good tamales 'cause he's tearing it up. I went there, bro. It was okay, huh? It was it. Yeah, it wasn't That's funny. ⁓ Yeah, I think for me it's just the stuff that like as you're a kid, you think it's cool. Like remember w in Blood in Blood Out where after they they F up crews crews and then they go to get ⁓ Remember they like sneak up and then they surround them and they're all beating the sh out of them. Yeah. And to me, it's like that's that's dope. That's what you gotta do. You know, you gotta go. And now as adult, I'm just like, man, that ain't cool, man. That ain't you can't can't be going out doing that sh Look at what happened. They that one little event Look at what happened. That one little event ruined or changed your life. You know? What's it Miklo went to jail, became all that, and then ⁓ Paco went to the military and then became a cop. So it was like that one event to go and you guys couldn't just leave it alone. But I get it that's Spider got killed. That's a mentality back then. Yeah. And Paco became a marine. That's what I All went all went well for most of it, all went down. Except for Paco, he went up. Yeah. Yep, 'cause then remember Cruz was so jacked up he got addicted to pain pills and all that. No, that was no that ⁓ yeah. Remember that foolish dropped him that fool dropped him on a ⁓ fire hydrant. Remember they picked him up and they went boom and dropped him around his back. He's like, ⁓ yeah, he that jacked him up, so he got addicted to pain pills, brother. Hey, he was in he was in the hospital out of ⁓ Baco's boot camp. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. ⁓ yeah, yeah, 'cause he comes out. He comes out, he's like he's behind the wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. You ready for a little duel? We haven't done one in a minute. Where you're at now. Second page. Go to second page. Top of it. All right. The gentleman's duel. We haven't done this in a minute, all right? So we're just gonna this ain't we're not gonna go crazy. Just give your opinion. If we go back and forth, we go back and forth. If we agree, we agree. No need to Hey, no need to argue and and be like these Be like the Nortenos and the Sudan. Hey, we could be on the same side. If you want to be BGF, I'll be the what were the white guys? The the Aryan nation. ⁓ okay. Real quick, right off the bat, which one to you is the best overall movie and why? You go first and I'll go, or if you want me to go. I'm gonna say American Me is is solid. If if they if they gave out awards, it it would have gotten an award, right? I mean, I don't think it won an Oscar, but if they gave out awards between these two, I would give it to American Me a hundred percent. Uh-huh. But blood in blood out, bro, has a place in my heart that American Me can never touch, bro. Blood and Blood Out just gives me countless, like I said, quot like funny quotes. You know what I mean? Like like just stuff that. When I when I watch it, it's like, dude, this is like yeah, some parts are corny, like you said. But then I'm looking at it, man, and I'm like, man, like I know where that's at. I've been there. I've been to El Pino, I know where that's at. Like, you know what I mean? And that stuff is is more is to me is is more nostalgic, I guess, than American Me. No, bro, you're wrong. No, I don't agree. And so I remember when I watched him as a youth as a youth, I always thought American Me was better. But I said, you know what? Let me watch him again. Cause I know Uncle Uncle's always pushing blood in, blood out. So I wanted to get another another shot. Watching it now, it might be one of the top ten worst movies of all time. Bro, the acting is bad. Miklo is horrible. Okay. First off, the acting is horrible all around. All around. Maybe Benjamin no, no, no. Cruz is good. Cruz is good. He he plays that perfect. Everybody else is horrible. Overacting. what about the part? I was watching I just started cracking up. Miklo, they tell him he has to kill the the white dude, the ⁓ the the main chef. I don't know what. Yeah, yeah, Big Al. He's gotta kill Big Al. So he goes in there, remember, and and at first they get caught or whatever, and then you know, Big Al's like, get out of here, and he's like, No, no, I'm ready to remember he kept teasing him, like I'm gonna give you Get out of here, sweet chicks. Yeah, yeah, hey, you say that too good. Get out of here, baby kicks. But he's like, No, Big Al, it's the time is now. So he's gotta work. He already has his knife. Big Al is standing right in front of him. He easily could have jabbed him in the neck, all that right then. It doesn't have to go any farther. Instead He goes, big L tries to kiss him. He says, No, no, stop. We don't have time for that. Goes down, grabs his beep, cups it, then looks up at him and says, I'm gonna lick you clean. Then jumps up and stabs him. What? Why? First off, why did you need to grab his dick? If you're just gonna fake like you're gonna go blow drive, just go down. Why'd you do that? And then secondly secondly secondly, once you're already down there, why do you have to say I'm gonna lick you clean? You already have like you could kill ⁓ anytime. Why are you doing this stuff? Why are you saying I'm gonna lick you clean? Like Bro, that's the wor you don't think that's the worst like writing of all time? That makes no sense. That makes no sense. When I saw that I started cracking out. I was like, This is the dumbest thing ever. Okay. ⁓ Are are we are we talking are we talking logistics here? Like I'm just talking a ⁓ just a straight movie entertaining. Yeah, that's he the hey, first off Niklo's reading reading the script. But why exact I'm not saying you're right. That's why I'm saying it's a horrible movie because the writers who wrote that? Grab his dick? He didn't need to do he had the knife the whole time. The dude's defenseless. Just stab him. Why are you pretending to go down and blow him? Then they bro Okay. So then I watch him so I'm The scene's gotta work. What do you mean? So I watched that yesterday and I was cracking up. I said that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. All that stuff, right? Then today I watched America Me. That sh is great. That is great a classic movie. I don't know why I don't know if it got nominated for anything. That should have been nominated for an Oscar. The acting the acting, Edward James almost, is if he didn't get a nominated for best actor, I don't know what's wrong with this world. The best actor? J D? No nominated. He shouldn't have won it that year. I don't know who won it, but J D? How good was that part? How good was Puppet? How good was Little Puppet? How good was that the Chinito? How good was everybody, bro? Puppet's a horrible actor. ⁓ You're just gonna throw that one out for no reason. You're gonna tell me Pope is not a bad actor? He just played it straight. He played it like just a normal dude. He was always scared. He was always like he was always trying to help his little brother and in the end he had to take him out. But bro, not even that, the soundtrack in American Me is insane. Remember the part where they first grow up and they go into the real prison and they hit the the little handball and as soon as it hits a wall it does a shot shot gun and you're like, ⁓ sh like ⁓ Bro, everything gasses you up. Like nothing did that in in Blood in Blood Out. So to me, after rewatching now as an adult, American Me is a eight point five. Blood in Blood Out is a probably a 1.5. That movie is bad, bro. Horrible. So 1.5, bro? Bro, it's bad. It's just so bad. It's so bad. I should have never rewatched it. I should've just gone off of my old kid memory and been like, yeah, bro, Miko was ⁓ Bro, it's so stupid. And then the way Miklo yells all the time and everything's like, Nobody comes into our and he runs out. Like, bro, it's just so corny. It they just overdid it, bro. They made Miklo overdo it. So, okay, next one. Well, this one I already told you, best acting. I mean, I I to me it's American me, hands down, not even close, but I'll I'll let you answer. Best acting? American Me, Doc. Come on. Okay. So you admit it. Yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna argue. I'm not gonna argue between the acting or the writing or the whatever. I guarantee you, bro, American Me had a bigger budget. You can tell by the cast. Yeah, yeah. But but y I mean, we're comparing we're comparing we're not comparing like I said, we're not being logistic about it. Well that's like saying, ⁓ which you which movie had a best ⁓ costume set design Like, come on, bro. You're now you're now you're just now you're nitpicking over here. ⁓ I watched it now. But I give it a negative three because ⁓ it doesn't live up to my standards as a as a middle aged man. ⁓ bro, re watch it, see if you can get through it. Bro, I I watched I watched American Me Today. And did you talk about I watched Blood and Blood Out today. And did you think it was ridiculous? Maybe like four months ago? American Me stayed on heavy rotation, bro, for the longest time. It should. Because no, I'm saying because it was on Netflix or it was I don't remember what app it was on. Right? Once they put ⁓ Blood and Blood out on Disney Plus and Hulu and whatever, now it's on Prime. I couldn't find it on on those other ones. But now I watch it all the time. So there's sometimes where I was like, ⁓ resume watching. It's a comfort, bro. Bro, I I just I I wouldn't. It's like a balone and cheese. On white bread, homie. But see, that's crazy that's different though, because it's it's more just like your personal your personal experience. So you're just attached to it. You know what I mean? But it doesn't mean it's a good movie or it's just it's your hair. It's a good movie to me. Who else is who else is here? All right, which is ⁓ you, fool. Which movie is is which movie is either overall sadder or has the saddest moment? ⁓ Blood and Blah has the status. Which part? The when they killed Montana. Yeah. Right for his daughter. Yeah. ⁓ I mean it's it's sad it's sad when they killed Little Puppet. It's sad when they killed Santana. But Santana had it coming, he's a grown man, whatever. Little Puppet, I mean, like you said, he was an idiot. Like he goes he was always messing up. He got he got Santana busted again. Yeah. 'Cause he couldn't kick that freaking that ⁓ that heroin. Yeah. Come on, bro. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, you're right. It is I think it's more like epic the way they did Santana, the way he comes out, they did it like Julius Caesar, they all stab him. Remember, they throw his body over and he's just like Yeah, and he falls towards the camera. So it was that was ⁓ more. Yeah, hell yeah. but you're right. The fact that he was about to see his daughter or Montana and then it's like the fact he's right there and then he's just like left dead hanging on the jail cell. That was like, yeah, that was a a lot sadder. Okay. I thought you were gonna say it was when ⁓ Mikro's mom forgot his birthday. Hey, it's Miku Plianos. See? You see even you're in mid he over overacted. ⁓ which is I told you. Look, I told you. Mi me me ⁓ all right, Mikro's not a good actor. Thank you. Benjamin Brad, whatever. Crucito, good job. Crucito did a great job. That one fool Ernie from the George Lopez show, great job. Right. S showing up to the art show drunk? And then the other fool, hey, hey, hey, there's a I smell bacon. Or what does he say when the cop shows up? Like bro, it's just it's they're they're bad actors. They had a smaller budget. Yeah. Right? Okay. I'm not chastising that, but come on, bro. You gotta you gotta repeat what it is. But that's what makes it hard to watch. All right. High f on your eye ⁓ horse. ⁓ all right, which movie had a more disturbing scene? That's a toss-up, bro. No, no, no. No, no, it's not. There's only one. Yeah, what is it? It's it's the the the R the R scene. With the Wait, which one? American Me. The Italian? Well, it's at the same time, remember? It's like it's like they're going back and forth. Both of them. Yeah, yeah. It happens the same time. There's two R is going on at the same time, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It kinda i it they may they meet at the same apex. Bro, that's what I'm saying. Look, did they do any of that stuff in Blood In Blood Out? Like that was brilliant the way they did that. And that is the most disturbing scene, because after they be that dude bang that dude, which is worse enough. Remember, he's just like and they put like rice in his mouth, he's all like and he's all s I was like, What? You can bang dudes? Like, what are they doing to him? Yeah, what are they doing to him? And then what do they do? How do they finish him off? He's shank him. But where? Where they shank him in the butt. Remember? He's like he's mentioned. I don't remember. And then the guy goes right in the so I'm just like, I think I I think I plus ten plus ten seconds at the end. Real quick. I can't wait. ⁓ that's the most that was the craziest, most disturbing disturbancy. And then also in that same movie, remember where they go to shoot up the black gorilla family and they go in there and they shoot the guy's dick off and everything. Did you throw grenade? ⁓ no, that was the other ⁓ No. ⁓ no, that was a blood That was Blood in Blood Out. In the other one, it's remember the white dudes, the they hired the white guys or whatever, and they go in there and they shot his dick off. And they remember 'cause remember Santana's like, what do you guys do? We have cowboys going in there and shoot people's dicks off. And they remember JD's like, we gotta do what we gotta do. Another scene that was disturbing was the one you said earlier with ⁓ Miklo in the in the in on the yard. Hmm? ⁓ they took his leg off. ⁓ yeah. And they're like on top of him and Nobody's helping him. That was disturbing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What to you was the funniest? Do you have any funny scenes? I can't really think of any, but anything that really like cracked you up? Amer American Me when they killed Piface? ⁓ the tattoo with the tattoo? And he has his eyes closed? Yeah. Doesn't he say something like open your eye? Doesn't he say like open your eyes? Or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ bro. The the reason that's funny to me is 'cause I used to work In one of the areas I had, one of the homeboys nicknamed one of the other guys Piface. ⁓ He told him something, he goes, Hey, why don't you do this? blah blah blah blah blah and he goes, Nah, I'm gonna do it this way. And he goes, Hey, listen up, Pi face. And I was like, Pi face? Like, why'd you call him that? And he goes, ⁓ it's from ⁓ from American Me. I was like, Who's that? 'Cause I I guess the origin the first time I had seen it I never paid attention. Yeah, yeah. He goes, it's a guy that gets stabbed because he didn't do as he was told. I was like, ⁓ hell bro, that thing stuck forever, dude. It was from from for years. Bro, that's Piface, Pi Face. That's a great that's honestly great. That's like I would be cracked if I heard that. But that's a thing. But is that also a threat? Damn, I would have been like, hey, wait, wait, what are you calling? And then no, and then that game came out. Remember Piface came out? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. ⁓ which For me, I don't know which one was most quotable. For me, it's like American Me, I think. But I know you said blood and blood out for you or what? Which what were some of your favorite quotes? ⁓ you already said it, huh? The the one. No, that was w that was the favorite quote. Okay. All right, give me a couple. For me, like I like I told you, for me, American Me is more real life quotes. Yeah. It's more it's more like like the like the like the one I told you with the ⁓ when we were little. What did I say? When you were when you we were young. Belonging felt good, but having respect, well that feels even better. Like that that's dope because it it it makes you like you have to have people have to respect you, bro. And you know what I mean? Right. If they disrespect you, then they're they're getting out of line. Right, right, right. Blood in blood out, bro. Like I told you, it was like it was they're like daily like like talking shit quotes. They're daily like like funny quotes. Like stuff that just it it flows with your daily basis, your with your daily you know, ⁓ just on a day to day basis, bro. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think ⁓ Blood and Blood Out has the funnier quotes 'cause of Big Al and then that chon chon dude. Yeah, give me some chon chon. I mean those those that is f funny as sh and then you're right, he's always walking around in underwear in that apartment. Or even when he tells him, You were supposed to give me an apartment. Yeah, you're yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shut down your majesty. ⁓ man, that was good. ⁓ Okay. Yeah. American Me, what was it? W was there any good quotes in American Me? Yeah, they had some good quotes. There was a there was a I can't remember any like off off the top of my head, but you're right, there were like good ones. I even liked when ⁓ like the that this might be my favorite part of the movie is when they're when Santana, they're all gonna go fight the black gorilla family and they all walk up and Santana's just like cool, calm, collective. He just starts unbuttoning a shirt, nice, turns it. gives it to his guy and just walks up there and like, what do you you know, what do you want to do? If you want to get down, we'll get down, but what do you want to do? The the white dudes did this to ⁓ you know, whatever, whatever. But the way he's so calm and then the black dudes are all yelling and all the Mexican dudes are just they're just quiet like like lips. You know what I mean? And then the way ⁓ the way just like they agree not to fight or whatever, and then Santana just like turns around like like no No sweat either way. You want to get down with like okay. All right. And just turns around confident, turns his back to him and just walks away. I was just like, he he ⁓ that's this. Bro, that's yeah, yeah, right there. When they walk up, look at those face. Look at J D. Look at them, bro. Right before he takes the shirt off. God, I was like and he goes up to him and he's like, we can get down. Yeah, we could really display F some stuff up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, Damn, that was hard, bro. Yeah, because he Yeah, you don't give a crap, dude. Whichever way you want it. You can get it. I think he even said too, we can do this one on one, or we can all get down. Something like that. Really tear this place apart or something like that. Yeah. Bro, that's hard, bro. That sh was hard. That sh just like I was like, that's crazy. Okay. ⁓ Where do you did that best character? Who to you was the ⁓ the biggest villain in each movie? The biggest villain? I don't know because I don't think I don't think American Me had a villain. It was more of an antihero. Who? Who's the antihero? Santana. Santana. And I mean, if you wanna call if you wanna call him a villain, that fool Mundo. Mundo was the villain. Why? Because he's one who actually stabbed him. Or you can go J D. But you know what? You're right, because even Mundo seemed like he wanted to, like he took enjoyment in it. ⁓ yeah, since the beginning. Yeah, like why you bro, that's your boy. And remember he was looking forward to it. But remember he was a pussy in the beginning when there was all three. Remember he didn't want to go walk. Remember they're like, Let's take a shortcut and we'll go through the Yeah, and he was like Hey, we don't need to go that way, bro. And they're like, Hey, we don't need to do ⁓ J D something like we don't need to do anything, but this is what we do. Some sh like that. It was like even J D didn't He didn't give up Remember when J D comes into Juvie and then he comes up to him and they're like, Hey and then the Mexican the little fat kid, he's like, Hey, can I talk to you? That was big happy Can I talk? Yeah, he was like that was his name? Was that his name happy? He's like, Can I talk to real quick? He's Yeah, what's up? He's You think about letting him in thinking about letting him in. He's the second in charge, bro. All right. ⁓ Big Happy was but it's crazy because because young Santana looked like he was twenty five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big happy looked like he was twelve, dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure it's like that in Juvie though. There's probably eighteen year olds that looked thirty five or seventeen and then 12 year olds that look, you know, five. That's Yeah, back then. Hell yeah. Yeah. ⁓ okay, this one. Try this one, because both of them had kind of crazy not talking jail a lot, family, family structures, family drama, no dads, or whatever. ⁓ who had the best or the most like intriguing storyline in terms of family? ⁓ Or like the craziest, the craziest story. At the beg at the beginning, I'm gonna say blood and blood out. Why? Because it was the the it was the mom with the stepdad and then the aunt. Remember the s the mom Miklo's mom? Yeah, but she comes and why why does my mom Yeah why did and and maybe it cut you off, but maybe you know. Why did it why did the mom drop off Miklo to live with the aunt? Like why didn't she why didn't he live with the aunt? Because I think like where was she at? I I don't remember that. What what they said. I think I man, I don't really remember. But I think I think if ⁓ if he stayed It was gonna mess up like her check. Because I think she was getting like a check for being like like an abandoned wife or abandoned whatever. So she t he 'cause I think he says, ⁓ she's gonna come up at a bad at a at a at a worst time. You're gonna mess up my check. And he's like, ⁓ okay. Wow. And he's like, You know what? Three days is or something like that? He's like, What? You know what I mean? So I think that was that whole scene. That was that whole scene where she's telling him. Like you're missing and also that if you if you look She's getting ready to go out. She's like, ⁓ can you zip me up? So she was probably out partying, yeah, getting her check. And then the the sister was like, ⁓ when when she takes that food, he's she's like, ⁓ well, why can't you watch him? Yeah, she doesn't want to take him either. She remember yells, she's like, Well, I'm tired of of of picking up after you or some sh Yeah, bro. How do you not how do you not feel more worthless or not wanted when your mom doesn't want you, even your aunt? That Bro, that's why that's That's why he gravitated towards the gang, huh? Yeah. That's when he tells him. Because remember remember Paco's like, I hate I hate that I hate that wedding or something that. And then and then Cruzita's like, ⁓ yeah. He goes, Well y you might for all the hate you have in your heart, you still have a connection. And he's like, you know, we we have this and and you carry the hate, you carry the the hatred of this and I carry the the pain of my brother. But he carries that and then he carries that. He hates his his white skin. So he's got it worse than us. Yeah. Cause he wants all he wanted to be was in the whole time. Yeah. So to me, that's a that's a stronger family because it's not directly like like traditional mother, father, and kids. It's like cousins. All right. You know what I mean? It's cousins and whatever. And American Me is like you see them you see the dad doesn't like ⁓ because he's a product of a Listen to what you said. That's a you just said right now your main thing, the main issue is just because the mom wanted to go party and didn't want to take care of her son, so she left her at her sister's house. That's it. That's it. American Me, his dad hated him because the mom was by sailors and he was born from that. Imagine your kid was born from dudes that r your wife. I'll tell this. That's a way more crazy dynamic. And then remember the the wife dies when he's in prison? So the young brother's just being raised without a mom too. Hey, when thrown up by himself? Yeah, bro. And he's like ten. Yeah, yeah. Let'd he to San Quentin by himself. And he wanna talk. Remember, he wanna talk? And Sant's just like, What's is mom okay? He's just like ⁓ Come on bro let's that's crazy. Let me ask you this. Uh-huh. From what I remember, when she gets when she gets the R word, right? Aren't they all white? Yeah, they're all sailors. Who's Santana? Santana is I know. The dad the son of that of the dad, bro. Just like Bro, when I was watching right now, with Desiree was watching it with me, and ⁓ I said, but bro, that doesn't even make any sense 'cause that fool looks Mexican as hell. And then they showed when the dad was telling him they're like close face to face. He looks just like the dad. I don't even know how they found it. Yeah, so it's like he should have at least said a blood test before he hated his guts, you know what I mean? Like You what he hated him? Because he didn't want to raise him, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Well he was providing, bro. Let me ask you this. Why didn't he save the younger brother? Yeah. Why would you know what I think it was? Is that He's a deadbeat. No, he was shook from that original Honestly, and it's it's a dick thing to say, but he should have left her because he knew he wasn't gonna be able to accept. You know what I mean? She get not only did she get not only did she get R'd. She got GR Gangard. So it's like, bro, they were doing sh her that you only see on Pornhub. You know what I mean? Like crazy stuff. So it's like, how is that fool gonna get ever over that? He should have just they should have agreed to, hey, we need to go our separate ways and we do that. Yeah, because bro, that's why That's why he was angry. Remember in the beginning of the movie, he's all happy and he's all like he's like, I got my rook out tonight, we're going out, the streets are happy. Yeah, and remember like, hey, you gotta chill out, and he's like, ⁓ right, homie. Yeah, and then remember that confidence, all that? And then he turned into that bitter old man. Why? 'Cause his chick got, you know. So I I I respect that and the fact that he couldn't control those kids. He kinda it sounds like he kinda just gave up, which that's not cool. No, I'm saying he let ⁓ he let he let him go into that gang light. He should have been more like don't you think or or you think it was just a ⁓ he was also a bathos locos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was about it too. Yeah. No, he was ⁓ Liami. I just I felt no, he was in Laime, the dad. Who was he? Who was he from? Hazard? No. No, Hazard was the other crew. It just it was just batos locals forever. Blood in blood ⁓ out. ⁓ it is? ⁓ what were they then? ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right. It was it was like I'm in the prison, but what was it before? Was it Tres Puntos? No. Tres Putos. No, Tres Putos is who they were fighting they're like, ⁓ Tres Putos is No, that's the pr that's the the main one. But I'm saying like remember 'cause he was like, ⁓ my God, what was it called? La primera? La primera ley. La primera ley. That sounds hard too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like He's like, Who do I shoot? Remember? He's like, who? He's like, It don't matter. He's like, And ⁓ all the kids start running. That's f okay. all right. Well, we already answered that. Most shocking death. I think it was we both agree, Montana. Right. ⁓ this one, it should be a no brainer, but I want to hear what you say. Best soundtrack. Come on, man. American me. ⁓ thank you. American me, dog. After hit. After hit. Okay. ⁓ I don't know if either one does this, but Did either one of those represent Chicano culture in a positive way at all? Yeah, I think they're I I I go neither. No, but like Montana remember trying to like get them like you gotta educate yourself, you gotta do that. And then Santana was doing the same thing. Remember for a while he like, We gotta like get our people out of here and we gotta do that's what turned him soft, but cause it demise, homie. Yeah, but then they kinda say like, Yeah, you wanna do that, then you end up getting killed, so Both of them got killed, so yeah, I don't know. All right. That one's ⁓ that one's a weird one. But which one defined your generation? ⁓ you already said that, huh? Yeah, Blood and Blood Out. Blood and Blood Out. For me, it was it was American Me. It was more relatable to me. ⁓ Okay. If you could, and you don't have to, if you could, would you change anything in eat in in either movie? ⁓ yeah, for sure. American Me, the R scene. Hey, that Italian deserved it, bro. They had a that remember the daddy's like who the ⁓ hell do you think you are? ⁓ well he doesn't know any better. And at the same time, it's the same scene. Yeah, she looked good though, huh? All thin. Ooh. Damn. Remember they're walking on the beach? Mm. Start making out. And then for for Blood and Blood Out, just the length of the movie. You don't want to change that the fact that the leader gets killed? That's what you want. Yeah, but in the second one, it was just it I don't think it was as deserved. Who? Montana? 'Cause even Montana didn't rule out going to war. He was just like, let's just ⁓ it let's just let's let's get our head together. Montana was weak? Yeah, you wanna know why? If yeah if you would have just let if you would if he would have let the the the the vanguard, what is the Aryan Vanguard? Take out take out Miklo? Yeah. Taking out Big Al? Yeah. He'd still be alive. He'd still be pushing ninety-five. Ninety five. Nobody lives at ninety five in prison. All right, Uncle, guess what? We're at an hour, so let's start wrapping this mother up. So we're gonna do our favorite Uncle Knows Best. ⁓ All right, so Uncle, were these movies just kinda glorifying death, making it look cool, making gangs and just that whole gangster life lifestyle look cool. ⁓ or do you think this movie was to warn you or was it just to shed light on the situation and maybe just there is no fix. You know what mean? This is just what it is. what do you think was like the intent of each movie? Do you think it was to be good or do you was it to show the raw, rawness of what happens? I think I think the intention was to shed light on it. ⁓ I don't think it was I don't think it was meant to glorify Either of ⁓ Because if you if you watch it, they all rise but they all fall. As soon as the the the way they went up is the same way they came down. Right. So yeah, I don't I I don't rem I don't remember seeing I don't remember seeing ⁓ like either of them and thinking like, damn, I want to join a gang. Hell yeah, let me go hit up the homies. You know what I mean? I think I think with me, my my personal experience, if I wanted to, I could have. But I didn't want to, so I didn't. So I don't think I don't think this I don't think anybody saw these movies and they were like, Hell yeah, let me go join a gang. You know what I mean? Like I mean, I could be wrong, obviously, but I I mean in my personal opinion, I don't think that was the that was the case. So I don't think, yeah, I don't think it glorified it. I think it hi it highlighted or it maybe ex exposed it to people that weren't around it. Yeah. And then, you know, obviously like if you if you're not around it Then you're n you're not gonna you're not gonna gravitate towards it because it's not around. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm gonna cut in, usually I just let you do your thing, but I wanna just one last word too. ⁓ I don't know, yeah, I don't know if it glorified I mean, I don't know if it, yeah, changed my opinion on everything, but what it what I did like about America Me that I don't think blood in, blood out did, and you mentioned this earlier, you said it showed like from when they were kids So it just started with them just kind of hanging out and just, hey, this is our neighborhood. Then it went to they ended up in Juvie. And then it's like, ⁓ sh we gotta like click up to be able to run this place. And then it shows them going to the main and then they start IMA everything. So it was just like it was so cool the way it they showed all the different stages. I don't know. I just like that. and I think you are right, they just wanted to shed light, just show like what's happening. Do you think it's still that crazy in pretty like Not that crazy. I know prisons are still crazy as sh you always hear about. But like do you think it's still that s like the MA L I MA is still that strong? Do you think they're still battle like I haven't heard of war, you know, like ⁓ there was another war and, you know, the Mexicans against the blacks? Like I haven't heard of that. Yeah, like remember y you would hear that ⁓ every once in a while, like, ⁓ they're rioting or whatever. But like I haven't heard anything in while do you think it's still that strong or do you think the prisons are able to like break ⁓ up and keep us separated now more? I think I think a hundred percent. It's they're still calling shots. Mm-hmm. But I just think it's a different it's a different game now, bro. I mean I've seen videos where people have phones in jail and I have too, yeah. There's all kinds of craziness and then they have TVs and and video games and stuff so I I just think it depends on where you're at. ⁓ obviously it ain't it's not getting any easier in there, but I think it's just a little bit more chill. Yeah. Unk, one last question. Let's end it on this, because I don't really have an outro. I guess this is an old outro for another show. I for I forgot to tell you. Yeah, I read that outbreak. What the heck? What the heck is that? So, ⁓ say right now you get popped, I don't know, doing something you ain't supposed to be doing home. And you get that ten years. ⁓ 10 years. Yeah. You go in, or you just could keep your head down, maybe try to work. Or you gonna get affiliated quick and run with the Northeast run with the Northeños. Nortanios? Bro, I live in Sagas, not in Palmdale. Fuck. Hey wait, we don't claim ⁓ but we don't claim ⁓ bro. They're ⁓ you gotta go up to Fresno. That's what Desiree's she's all about. I am more north than you but I'm not a you gotta hit up Fresno and hit him up. Yeah, up there, there's no North Daniels over here. I mean ⁓ Hey. Yeah. I thought you and ⁓ Des were like running the whatever chapter she's from. Up there no, they're bulldogs. They don't affiliate with anybody. Yeah, bulldog's crazy. They're just they're the borderline, right? Yeah, so they don't mess with Sudanios or Northanios, they just do their own sh but all right, so no outro unk. Hey, that was a good one. Appreciate your insight. I mean we disagreed and we agreed, but you know. Hey, let me tell you one more thing before we Yeah, tell me. I just want I just want you to know that in nineteen ninety seven I got hired at Centuries Years. Right Bomb? Yeah. In May of ninety seven. And near the end of ninety seven, guess who I met? Tell me the movie first. Bro, we're talking about one of the movies. I know, but I which one? Blood in? B I B O. Blood in Blood Out. would you have met? Blood in Blood Out? Not Miklo. Miklo? He showed up? No. Miklo. Miklo rolled up on a Thursday night, bro. In a Cadillac Daville or Seville or something? Damn. Walked in. He's probably, I'm gonna say he's like five seven, five eight. ⁓ he's a little little sucker. And he walks in with like a five nine blonde bombshell. Bombshell. And guess what, bro? He walks up and he goes, and the first thing I saw was the chick, right? And I'm standing at I'm standing at door. And I'm like, damn, who's this chick, right? Boom. They get off this caddy. Bro, they walk and I was like, Holy crap, that's I go, that's that's Mitro. Yeah. He comes up and he goes, What's up, brother? And I shook his hand and I hey this number seven upstairs. ⁓ And he goes, ⁓ thanks a lot, man. And he walks in and it was during the week, right? So he walks up and then he comes back down. Hey man, the snack bar's closed. I was like, Yeah, we don't open it during the week, right? ⁓ man, I want to get some. So he goes in, he gets his popcorn. Yeah. Cool as hell. Really? Cool guy. Wait, so it's shout out Damian Chapa. Damian Chapa, that's right. Is he from the Valley? I don't know where he's from. Yeah, I have no idea. But back then, bro, bro, this is ninety seven. Yeah, yeah. So he was fresh off of this. Right. Just on Street Fighter. So he was hot. ⁓ that's right. But then he just died. He just died after that though, right? I don't know. He did a bunch of underground, like self funded movies. ⁓ okay. Yeah, look it up, bro. He's like El Padrino, which is like the godfather. I think he's got like blood in, blood out, like three Well, guess what? Shout out Damian Chapa, dude. And guess what? There he is. Hey, did you take your shirt off? Why does it not show? There he is. And look at my shirt. So hey, if you want any of these, go into the description. Go onto our site. Send me a message. Do whatever. Any kind of shirt you want, we got. Wait till you start seeing our next line. I'll talk to you about that later. But uncle, thank you, brother. Thank you, Uncle. I appreciate it. ⁓ that was another good one. This was your idea. I love it. I love movie I love movie battles because we never all we never agree. You know what I mean? But ⁓ all right, Uncle, that's it. We're gonna just cut it off right here. Thank you, brother. Lysarisk. Yeah, Lyceris. So basically why not, right? All right, brother.