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“I’m Gay, Not Queer”—Okay, But Let’s Talk. · Queer 101 with Peppermint

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Queer is anyone who is not heterosexual and or cisgender.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: In the past, queer was a negative term for gay people, but the term is increasingly being used to describe all identities and politics that go against normative beliefs.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not a queer.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gay, but I ain't no queer.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_05: You know why?
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_05: Because I'm old school gay.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_05: And then somebody was like, no, we need one word so we all can feel better.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I get it, and I support it, and I support my queers.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_05: I love it for you.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gay.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_05: Like I was born in a bulldogger era.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_05: Bulldogger, so I be trying to make sure my gays understand is not the fact that I hate queers, because I think they get it lost in trans.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, she hates queers.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: This guy says I'm gay, not queer.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: And by this we know exactly what he means.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for all the rights you helped fight for, but fuck off now, queer community.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, y'all.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back to another fabulous episode of Queer 101, the podcast, where we talk about any and everything under the sun, including queer art, queer culture, queer literature, queer history, and of course, whatever the hell I want, including queer politics.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_03: I am Peppermint, and I'm back with another hot topic: gay versus queer versus mask versus femme versus trans.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_03: What does it all mean?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: And as a reminder, I'm going to be focused on topics and guests that I am really interested in and that are meaningful to me.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I've added a couple new segments to the show that I think are really going to be fun and that you're hopefully going to like.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_03: Please, please, please let me know what you think.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_03: If you agree, if you disagree, if you have any questions.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, you can leave them in the comments, or you can DM or email me at queer101podcast at gmail.com.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_03: Now, today's topic is not new, darling.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_03: Terms like mask, femme, queer, sissy, they're all too familiar to people in the LGBTQ community.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_03: And at times, those words have been used as slurs.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_03: And that's certainly something that people in the more advanced generations certainly can remember.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_03: And something that I hear expressed a lot in terms of having a difficulty using those as terms of endearment today.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_03: And we've heard these things, these words, all of our lives, but it's really important to kind of name that there is a certain type of gay who doesn't want to be associated with the word queer because it was used as a slur earlier in their lives and in their experience.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: And that's definitely true.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_03: So I would just want to name that and show some respect to the elders.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean, I'm practically one of them.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_03: But I think what we call ourselves, how we define ourselves, ultimately is our right to choose.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_03: For the same reason that I would defend anybody's right to call themselves queer, I would defend anybody's right to not or call themselves not queer or gay, whatever.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and tensions are definitely arising when many men who identify as gay explicitly are rejecting the word queer.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: And let me explain.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's not because they're rejecting the word queer, it's how they are rejecting the word queer and how that distinction can affect the relationships with the queer, gender nonconforming, trans members of the community.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_03: And that's really my sort of why I want to talk about this today.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: Now, number one, I think the entire LGBTQ community wants acceptance, right?
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but the question is for who, right?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there are people that want this acceptance to blend in and basically say, we're just like the straight people, right?
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: And that is something that we saw certainly uh during the conversations around marriage equality.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_03: That is something that I know that we saw when AIDS and HIV was really sort of like in a really, really um vapid, sort of um non-nuanced way being labeled as a gay disease.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_03: Then there were people who didn't want to be associated with homosexuality at all, and they would try to find a way around it.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um they just because and this is these are obvious for obvious, or certainly during the 1960s, back during Stonewall days, when it was illegal to be out as gay, it was illegal to express yourself as someone who's gay, to dress in a way in a manner that might signal that you were gay.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_03: Literally an arrestable offense.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so I can understand the reasons why people would for want to quiet down and disassociate themselves from anything that seems so obviously a target for anti-gay, for homophobic um hate or or even homophobia in the system, you know?
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: And that's a survival tactic, right?
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: People want acceptance.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm talking about the acceptance specifically of the straights for the purposes of belonging to that group.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: When marriage equality was a big hot topic talking point, not topping point, but maybe it is.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, there were a lot of gays who were like, see, we're normal, just like you all.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: We don't just dress and drag, we don't wear makeup, we don't go to the this or the that.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_03: Truth be told, you know, those Marys were doing that stuff, but just behind closed doors.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: And they were dressing like their favorite PTA, you know, leader and member, and you know, saying going to church just to prove that they were worthy of uh of marriage, of the gift of marriage from the straits.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_03: Because in order, I think, in for them, in order to get it, they had to prove, hey, we're not like all of those things that they try to label us as.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so that is where I think the need for acceptance starts to become toxic, right?
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_03: It becomes a they versus them as opposed to an us, right?
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_03: There are a lot of real obvious people who are so visually and in in a mannerisms manner manneralismly, whatever, in a mannerism way, so obviously gay, so obviously queer, extremely femme, not macho or masculine in any way, shape, or form, and wearing makeup, putting on eyelashes and eyeshadow and all this stuff, but swearing up and down that they are not, not only are they not trans, which is their right to express, but that trans people are the worst thing for the community.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_03: They are nothing like the trans pe community, they don't understand trans, and they are just a gay man.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: And that is something that we hear a lot from this very problematic creator.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not into all the other bullshit.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think what other bullshit?
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: The they and them.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: And all that extra shit that we added during the pandemic because everyone was so bored on their fucking houses, they just started to make up more shit and more shit.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: More stuff, more stuff.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's where the conservatives like me because I'm just real.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you do have a conservative vibe.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: They and them.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: You're trans, you're male or you're female.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you're standing on that.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: So mad when I say that.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: How are you a they?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: What the fuck does that mean?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's stupid is what it is.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: But you need someone like me that looks like me to say it.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you say it, it turns into you're homophobic, you hate trans people, you hate gays, and it's just how you feel.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: You don't hate anyone, you just think it's stupid.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_03: What more is there to say?
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: On this podcast, this particular creator argued that the T and the Q need to be separate from the LGBT, from the LGB, rather.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_03: And he also said he didn't identify as gay, he shouldn't be introduced simply as gay.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_03: He's a just a man rejecting queerness across the board.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm sorry, I had a short circuit.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_03: Because I'm like, how do these two things even mix or comport?
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and his comments drew a lot of fire.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, a really, really, really clear example of questioning who belongs under the community umbrella and sort of taking the taking trying to take control of the community and how it's viewed, and basically doing the same thing to the trans community that the straight acting gays did to people like him.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a lot of these really there's like this uh you might be asking yourself, what is this all about?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_03: What is it with with with this sudden obsession with macho-ness and manliness?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: We're definitely seeing it on the right.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: We're definitely seeing it from Republicans, we're definitely seeing it in certain male creators.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, definitely have seen it for a couple of years now in the weightlifting community, which I don't even pay attention to, but I happen to know that there's like a bunch of weightlifting fitness creators who are like, you know, lifting weights and showing off their shirt and doing all this stuff, and then turning around and saying, I'm a man of God and I think homosexuality is wrong.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_03: And that's like they're what they're doing.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um then we have gays that are like seemingly want to be a part of that club, like Leo Skeppy.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_06: Hello, Ansha.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_06: I want to fight a little.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_06: I want to argue, you wanna fight?
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_06: There's a lot of people online judging me for things that ain't even coming out the horse's mouth.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_06: People are speaking for me.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_06: If it don't come out of the horse's mouth or the fucking zebra's mouth, it ain't got shit to do with me.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_06: I'm very picky about who I associate with.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_06: I'm someone who can exist without belonging, but I'm also aware of stereotypes.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_06: And the gay stereotypes don't come from nothing.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_06: Everybody's saying, oh, Leo's got internalized homophobia.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_06: I don't see anything wrong with being gay.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_06: But I don't feel comfortable saying it without the exclusion.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_06: I like to exclude people from things.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_06: I like to exclude myself from stereotypes.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_06: I don't agree with the behavior of the gay community.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_06: So that's what I need to feel comfortable to come out.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_06: I don't want to be looped in with a certain mindset of how most of them think.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_06: And that's not me pandering to anybody else.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_06: That's me defining myself.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_06: I'm coming out with a boundary around myself.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_06: I'm gay, but I ain't that shit.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_06: It's very obvious someone with a sense of self has y'all fucking baffled.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_06: You don't know what to do with it.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_06: You don't know how to deal with somebody who thinks their own thoughts.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_06: Ooh, they don't want to belong with me.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_06: They don't care if I ostracize them.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_06: What the fuck?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, hello, I'm Neo Skeppy.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_03: There's so many gay creators who are putting out content like this, I should say.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and very early on in the gay liberation movement, there were trans activists today.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_03: Now, listen, the the the the terminology that we have to describe ourselves and identify and describe the community at large has changed over the years.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: As we've gotten more and more specific, more and more articulate with who we are and what we want, what we don't want, the words have changed.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_03: There was a time, like uh gay people have existed since humans have been around.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_03: But there was a moment in time in recent history where there wasn't even a word for homosexual or gay.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: These are newer terms in the grand scheme of things, you know, like in hundreds of years, like a couple hundred years, not much more.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, um, so it's probably no surprise that years ago, around the time of Stonewall, a little after, uh during the gay liberation movement, as we used to call it, um, there were trans activists such as Sylvia Rivera, among others, that were a very key part of the movement, but the support was not reciprocated.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_03: And at the time it was seen as something very, very separate.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_03: Here is Sylvia in her own words.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_04: I want to make people and um three people and starting on six morning, eight party, between B and C apartment fourteen, the people that try to do something, the men and women that belong to a white middle plan, white blood, and so and there's evidence of this happening still today, believe it or not.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: In 2007, the HRC supported non-exclusive version of ENDA, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, leaving out the queer and trans part of the community, just leaving us behind.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: And the rat the rationale for the time was explicitly expressed as we have to make incremental progress.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: You're doing too much.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: You trans people that want all this stuff, you're doing too much.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_03: Just let us gays have it, and we'll come back for you later.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: Wait on the corner.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, I'm being facetious, but that's essentially what they did because then they came out and said, meanwhile, like they were they were saying, we need in the entire LGBTQ community to join in and help us get marriage equality.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: So we did.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_03: The trans girls, the drag queens, the femmes, the this and the the fats, the femmes, the whatevers were all lining up for marriage equality, marching, voting, demonstrating, raising money, all this stuff for that part of the movement.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: And then once marriage equality was passed, the uh the head of the HRC so famously said, Well, we did it.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: There's nothing left to do.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: Trans people, you're on your own.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_03: The gays have won.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: We got what we need.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry about it, trans folks, and literally said, There's nothing left for our movement to do.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, a lot of trans people took offense to that, myself included.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: I was a slap in the face, especially considering that I was there helping raise money for the HRC and marriage equality initiatives.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, anyway, the rationale is always don't rock the boat, right?
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: And so my question is to all of y'all when leaders say let's secure our rights first and then come back for yours, is that a practical strategy?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: Do you really think that it makes some members of our community more expendable?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think, you know, like it allows some people to take control and then some people don't get to have a say in the decision?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_03: Who gets to have a say in that decision?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_03: Is it the people that are being left out?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: Is it the people that are doing the leaving out of the others?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's a real question.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: So I wrestle with that, and now I got something to say.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: We're seeing this unusual move by many gay men who I swear 10 years ago would have been walking in lockstep with many people in the trans community while we were literally 10 years ago, a little more than that, fighting for marriage equality.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: And there were plenty of trans people who were on record fighting the good fight for the LGBT community, really gay men and gay women, to marry.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: With an understanding that I'm trans, I ain't getting married, I don't have a partner, I'm here to fight for y'all because we're all in this together.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: That was definitely a thing.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: So don't let anybody tell you that the trans people have not been around.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's the that's the first thing.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: So it was a surprise to me to see a new type of gay emerge that's very much like, I'm here to get mine and fuck the rest of y'all.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I think I started seeing that around 2020, when the white cisgender gays, who many of whom had access to money and privilege here in New York City, were so upset, livid, that the pride celebrations had been altered, not completely canceled, because I marched, but altered.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: But Black Lives Matter protests and rallies were able to continue.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: There were gays that were like, why are why are black people allowed to do that that was that was what Miss Mary was saying.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: There was plenty of that.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_03: And then we started to see what I thought sort of like the emergence of the very bitchy log cabin Republican, who log cabin republican, if you don't know, we'll put a flash up like of what they are here on the screen.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: Log cabin Republicans are uh basically gay Republicans who are like, we want to vote for Trump, we're supporting, and it's not just Trump, they're supporting of the Republican Party, even with an understanding that the Republican Party is vehemently anti-gay in many ways, especially marriage quality.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but there was an emergence of this type of gay who was like very much like, well, we want to be close to power, but we're so we're gonna sell the rest of our community up the river.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: And that's uh exactly what I think is going on when we see gays like this.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: This is kind of a follow-up, a companion piece, maybe, to a recent episode that we did that's either out now or I can't remember, uh, that we talked about white feminism and how many white feminists are happy to fight for women's rights, but they're really, really, really only looking to risk anything for white women's rights.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: They will actually not fight and certainly won't sacrifice for black women's rights or any other type of women's rights, trans women's rights as well.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: And that's something that we saw throughout history, and now more recently again, we're seeing that now.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: We're also seeing that same thing emerge in gay men, but it's not for women's rights.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's basically like a segmenting of the population.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm for the gay men and maybe the lesbians as well.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: But if you're not a cisgender male or or cisgender w man or woman, we're we don't have anything to do.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: We don't see queer, we don't see gender queer, we don't see non-binary, we don't see trans, we don't see none of that stuff.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: You are either this or that.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: I understand that we are in a time where it's really important for you to defend your own rights and fight for your own rights.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: But and I also understand, listen, if you are witnessing certain groups being targeted, especially by the government, of course it's human nature to want to run the other way and say, I'm not one of them, I'm not one of them, even if you are.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: We are certainly seeing some people who are trans deciding to voluntarily detransition because it's so difficult to be trans, and the government is slowly but surely rolling back the rights and privileges and access that trans people have to housing and health care and passports and licenses, and that's happening.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: So, of course, there's gonna be people who are like, I don't want to get too close close to that group, because they do understand that once that group is taken care of, the next group they're just gonna move down the line.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: They're thinking that if they put some distance between themselves and that group, that they themselves, that their group won't be hit, or if they can stand at the end of the line, everybody else in the group will be hit if you're just like, I'm one of the good ones.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: And that's that pick me sort of sent mentality.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm one of the good ones.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know that's what people like Caitlin Jenner are saying.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: You know that's what Officer Tatum are saying, I'm one of the good ones because they.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: Are the some of the the most some the most excited to get up in front of the straights or in front of them the mainstream whoever in front of the whites for Officer Tatum and be like I'll be the black person that gives you permission to say the N-word and agrees with you that all N-words are just basically criminals and drug dealers and all need to be arrested.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's basically I'm paraphrasing.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: He hasn't, I've not heard him say that specifically, but that's the vibe that he he's like, I you can use me to target other black people and shut other black people up and then give you, and I can be the one to give you permission to do all the things you want and talk about us the way you want and say that we're all criminals or whatever they're doing.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: Now we see gay men doing that to the trans community.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: They're saying, Well, I'm part of the community, so I can't be transphobic, and I can't be, you I'm not, you can't say I'm racist or transphobic because I'm a white gay.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the most special type of gay that there is.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_03: A white male gay.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't believe in all this trans, I don't believe in all this non-binary.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's what they're saying.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: And they're saying, and you can't accuse me of being transphobic because I'm in the community.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what they're basically doing.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: And they're doing that so that they can show the straights, the straight whites, to be frank, that they are one of the good ones.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: And that if you can only spare me, I will give you the rest of them.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what we're seeing happening.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: And the most egregious version of that is this doctor.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, maybe is he a doctor, who is allegedly a therapist, who is being pretty vocal and doubling and tripling down on his transphobia by saying, I'm gay, not queer.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: He supported an article uh in the New York Times.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_03: I refuse to promote or or even dig into the New York Times because they are transphobic as an organization.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_03: But he was reacting to an article that was in the New York Times where he was saying all in his videos, I'm gay, not queer, and that's that.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_03: And so he started out saying, Well, you know, what's wrong with me identifying the way I want?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_03: And then he uses that to go on and say, What's wrong with me identifying?
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: I can identify how I want, I'm gay, not queer, but I don't believe in queerness or transness or non-binariness.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't get it, I think it's weird.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: Basically saying, I can identify how I want, but you can't identify how you want.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_03: And that's the problem that we're seeing with white feminists, with white gays.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry to say it.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: Not all white gays, of course, but a lot, that are like, sorry, you blacks, sorry, you transies, sorry, women.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's your fault.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna have sex with your husband.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like that is there's this psychiatrist or therapist who uh his name is Joe Court, who I was up in his comments because basically it's him saying, I'm a therapist, so you can't question me.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_03: I know what I'm talking about, and I have patients who come to me who are men, who are married, who come to me because they confess that they are interested in having sex with or actually do have sex with other men, but that they're worried that that makes them gay.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_03: And as a therapist, it's my job to convince them that it's not, that they're not gay, and that they should continue their behavior as regardless of what their wife thinks.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: And we can blame it on the wives because the wives are obviously not satisfying.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: And don't worry, you're not gay, you're straight.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's what this therapist, he has a video basically saying that's what this video basically is.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: So, honey, I was all up in them comments.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, because yes, I believe in fluid fluidity, sexual fluidity, but you can't use the excuse of sexual fluidity, or you can, but I think it's really messed up for therapists to encourage the use of sexual fluidity for the purposes of being misogynistic and homophobic at the same time.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: This is a gay man who's telling other men who have sex with men, don't worry, you're not gay.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: Gay is bad.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: You're not gay, you're straight.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's a problem.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I digress.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_03: There are lots of videos of these creators, these men, these gay white men who I think are very problematic railing against gender nonconformity and transness in a really, really disgusting way.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: And the biggest gripe that I have is this therapist who says that he's gay, not queer.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: I looked at his content on his YouTube channel, and he's really been doubling down.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so if you go back through, look, look, we took a scroll on his page.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: This is what his YouTube page is.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: Note that just a few months ago, he was not even talking about trans.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: And now every single video that he's put out for the past two months is about rejecting the transness.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: My fear is that this message is picking up steam.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: And so if you are a white gay, I need you to put your hands on your hip and then your other hand in the air or over your heart and swear that you are not gonna fall down this trap, being enticed by the allure of an all-white male sex party paradise.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: Because I have to say, I really do think that that is what these men who are rejecting transness, rejecting transness meaning rejecting the notion of transness, rejecting the trans community and literally wanting it to be erased from the LGBTQ monitor.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_03: Moniker.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, not the monitor.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's a fascination with white maleness and white male power and strength that doesn't have room for femininity or feminism or queer, certainly not queerness and transness.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: But in order to get rid of femininity and feminism, you have to, or not femininity, but feminism and feminine energy, you have to get rid of the queer and trans first.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: And you have to go down the line and work backwards.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that is what is happening here.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: And so if you are white and gay, don't fall into the trap.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_03: Please do not fall into the trap because there are lots of impressionable people who are seem to be catching on to this.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: And they're you can spot them because it's the homosexual who is loving J.K.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: Rowling, reposting what she posts, and keep your eye peeled.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's only a matter of time before that person starts telling us that they voted for Trump.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's depressing.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: But that's okay because we know what it is.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: Whenever fascism starts to rise and authoritarian is authoritarianism starts to rise and there's a dictator, it's more than the dictator.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's how everybody behaves, it's what they're afraid of, it's what they want to be close to.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody, when there's a when there's a a threat of authoritarianism, or Darth Vader, you want to be friends with the power.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: You need to recognize who's got the power, what's gonna who's who's gonna stay safe, and then you have to, I'm not telling you you have to do this, but that is, I think this is the mindset.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: Then we want to draw on that power and sacrifice others so that we can say, hey, look, I helped you, I'm one of the good ones.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what these folks are all doing.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: The officer Tatums, the Dr.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: Joe Quartz, the this doctor, whatever his name is, they're all doing the same thing.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: And we can see right through it.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: So that was my that was my rant.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_03: That was what I had to say.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: What do you all think?
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: Have you met people like this?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Are you one of these people?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: Put it in the comments, let me know, tag me.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I want to hear because I'm really curious.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: Have you been to a gay bar and you've seen, have you encountered people like this?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: Have you seen any gay-only events, intentionally gay-only events that are exclusive of trans and queer people and women?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_03: And have you noticed that these types of men are also anti-woman?
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: I want to know.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: You know?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, put it in the comments, let me know.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: Uh in closing, I want to say, you listen, you can choose your label, but please don't try to diminish somebody else.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you can separate your preference from your prejudice and ask progress for whom?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: Who is this for?
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you don't need identical experiences to show solidarity with anybody.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: Because in the end, you're all fighting the same oppressive force.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: You know?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: You don't need to have those same exact experiences, but you do have to be able to show up for the rest of the community.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: So challenge anti-trans comments along friends groups, things like that.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_03: Please.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's the call to action.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Now, as I said, you don't have to share someone's label to stand beside them.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: Be yourself.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_03: Please don't take somebody else's exclusion for the price of your own acceptance.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: Respect people's names, their pronouns, include queer and trans people in the discussions, not just conversations about them.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: And let's get through this because it's BS.
• 32:05
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• 32:10
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• 32:12
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• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 32:19
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• 32:26
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• 32:29
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