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RHOSLC: The END of Salt Lake City with Kate Casey · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Hey, Ryan Jobs.
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Speaker 2: On today's episode of Reality with the King, Kate and
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Speaker 2: I are going to dissect the mind of Monica.
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Speaker 1: Me and Kate.
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Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine percent of the time agree on everything.
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Speaker 2: The best thing about this conversation is I am talking
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Speaker 2: to a woman who is like Carlos, I disagree with
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Speaker 2: you wholeheartedly. So Kate just like utilize like the season
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Speaker 2: the three part reunion, the breaking news that Monica is
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Speaker 2: not coming back to next season, and.
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Speaker 1: If you felt that was the right.
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Speaker 3: Choice, I thought it was the right choice.
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Speaker 4: And I like that they're wording was you know for
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Speaker 4: right now because it does open the door maybe there
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Speaker 4: is there, it will be an opportunity in the future.
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Speaker 4: But I think for this moment in time, they need
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Speaker 4: to take a break from her, and she needs a
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Speaker 4: break from TV. She needs to recalibrate and figure out
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Speaker 4: do I want to be on a TV show as
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Speaker 4: myself or do I want to continue trying to be
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Speaker 4: a character. And if she wants to be a character,
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Speaker 4: she has to pursue scripted work and not unscripted work.
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Speaker 4: That's her hiccup right now, and I thought that very
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Speaker 4: early into the show. I'm like, this is not somebody
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Speaker 4: who's really portraying her real self. She's clearly has an
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Speaker 4: issue with lying, but she's I don't know who this
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Speaker 4: person is, and I don't know if I'm going to
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Speaker 4: get to know who the.
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Speaker 3: Real person is. So that was my hiccup with her
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Speaker 3: from the beginning.
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Speaker 4: But I think that right now she needs a break
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Speaker 4: from TV, but they also need a break from her too,
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Speaker 4: And also most importantly, and I think you could feel
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Speaker 4: that I'm assuming watching last Night that the idea of
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Speaker 4: somebody infiltrating a show as a super fans stalker dilutes
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Speaker 4: the brand a bit, because the idea do you have
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Speaker 4: being on a Real Housewife is like, you're glamorous, you
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Speaker 4: have access to really interesting people, you live in a
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Speaker 4: beautiful home, you have this beautiful lifestyle. And she did
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Speaker 4: not fit a lot of those boxes to begin with,
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Speaker 4: and then to find out she was like this super troll.
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Speaker 4: It gets a little TLC if you will, And I
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Speaker 4: don't think that that's what the network really wants. It
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Speaker 4: should not be an attainable job. It should be unattainable,
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Speaker 4: which is why we want to watch because it's so
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Speaker 4: dissimilar to our life.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so I disagree with you, And this is why
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Speaker 2: I watch Salt Lake City this season because our mutual
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Speaker 2: friend Eliza Roseen, she texts me literally, Casey said, girl,
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Speaker 2: you need to watch Salt Lake City because I was
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Speaker 2: not watching it. And what I fell in love about
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Speaker 2: this season Kate, I felt like I was getting the remonica.
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Speaker 2: I felt like her exposing the trials and tribulations with
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Speaker 2: her mom was something I felt like that show was
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Speaker 2: missing because you and I both loved real story.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I really.
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Speaker 2: I fell in love with her instantly after sort of
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Speaker 2: seeing her navigate the relationship with her mom and seeing
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Speaker 2: how her mom reminded me of like the Latin version
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Speaker 2: of like Mama Joys, you know, or like Mama d
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Speaker 2: On Dallas, like those those very opinionating mothers who say
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Speaker 2: things that make you like, oh shit, this woman really
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Speaker 2: maybe like off her rocker.
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Speaker 1: A little bit, but I really did enjoy that.
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Speaker 2: And I never felt that Monica was playing a character, Kate.
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Speaker 2: I did feel like Monica understood the assignment the way
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Speaker 2: Kenya Moore understood her assignment when she came on the
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Speaker 2: show Atlanta Housewives season five and kind of like twirled
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Speaker 2: her way onto it. I thought Monica was smart to say,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to expose myself, which we'll get to that
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Speaker 2: because that it's irony within that.
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Speaker 1: But when she exposed that she slept with.
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Speaker 2: Her brother in law, you know, her past and her
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Speaker 2: issues with her mother, I appreciated that because for me, Kate,
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Speaker 2: I understand that Bravo believes that the sort of organizing
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Speaker 2: principle of this franchise is real friendships.
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Speaker 1: Of the elite women in.
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Speaker 2: The societies across the world, and that's not what the
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Speaker 2: show is to me. And this is somebody who did
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Speaker 2: Atlanta House White season one when Nini Lee did not
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Speaker 2: have a big house, she did not have all the
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Speaker 2: money in the world, but she was a dynamic character
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Speaker 2: who really made.
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Speaker 1: That show a success, right.
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Speaker 2: And then I did season one of Jersey, which, again
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Speaker 2: the Manzells and Teresa and Joe obviously have the big
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Speaker 2: house and all those things, But then you had Danielle
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Speaker 2: Staub who was the anti elite and without question, Danielle
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Speaker 2: style but made that show and.
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Speaker 4: Chris Danielle was she was actually like connected to them.
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Speaker 4: That's the only difference. Monica really wasn't.
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Speaker 2: So right, right, right, But when it comes to like
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Speaker 2: this sort of call to action of like we got
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Speaker 2: to get the show back to his roots, the roots
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Speaker 2: were already planted in bad seeds in the ground, and
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Speaker 2: what was sprouting up was this sort of like, sure,
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Speaker 2: we think these people are rich, but I think as
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Speaker 2: we're watching like these these shows, a lot of them
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Speaker 2: had irs issues, a lot of them file for bankruptcy
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Speaker 2: because a lot of them pretended to live up to
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Speaker 2: this Again, to this hype of like, we're all glamorous
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Speaker 2: and rich, when have these women weren't? So I appreciate
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Speaker 2: a monicup for being the anti that I get that.
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Speaker 4: I do think the element of her mother is interesting,
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Speaker 4: But once I saw the Easter dinner scene, I didn't
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Speaker 4: feel like that was authentic. I felt like that those
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Speaker 4: were two women who had many conversations beforehand in broad scope,
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Speaker 4: just like what it means to be on the show,
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Speaker 4: what works, what doesn't, and then right before that event, like, Okay,
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Speaker 4: what is our strategy when we go into this, And
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Speaker 4: that I felt was very obvious, and that didn't feel
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Speaker 4: right to me. And that felt too much of somebody
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Speaker 4: playing a character that they have studied or won, you know,
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Speaker 4: they've kind of perceived themselves to be, and is missing
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Speaker 4: from a show, and I think that goes against the
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Speaker 4: flow of the show and what they really ultimately want,
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Speaker 4: which is a group of women to kind of live
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Speaker 4: their lives out loud while cameras film them. Once they
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Speaker 4: get too much into their head and they're like, well,
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Speaker 4: the audience likes Monica has studied every minute of this show.
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Speaker 4: And that's not to say that other housewives have not
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Speaker 4: watched the show. This takes another turn though. This is
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Speaker 4: somebody who thinks poorly of everybody, looks down at the show,
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Speaker 4: thinks they're better than the show, watch every frame of it,
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Speaker 4: and really took the most absurd lengths to infiltrate themselves
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Speaker 4: into it. And I feel like that became a little
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Speaker 4: bit way too dark. So again I said, I don't
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Speaker 4: know for the rest of time. She may never return
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Speaker 4: to the show, but at least just one season she
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Speaker 4: needs to go off.
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Speaker 2: So I want to get into your opinion on this season.
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Speaker 2: You have been watching Salt Lake City since season one, right.
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Speaker 4: Well, I want to be upfront that I'm like a
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Speaker 4: lot of people. I think I'm you know, it's your
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Speaker 4: tourn because I thought the show was boring and I
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Speaker 4: did watch this season. But I'm always very mindful. I'm
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Speaker 4: always thinking of short term, long term, short term, long term.
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Speaker 4: How does this, how does this going to work out?
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Speaker 4: Five minutes, five days, five months, five years from now?
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Speaker 4: And I just kept thinking, I don't know how this
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Speaker 4: is going to for this is setting a bad precedent,
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Speaker 4: and this is going to get Harry, you know, five
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Speaker 4: months from now, you know, five seasons from now, short term,
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Speaker 4: she was great for switching up the show and you know,
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Speaker 4: adding some different elements and to your point, you know,
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Speaker 4: the high low of it all, Like I live in
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Speaker 4: a Casida, just like a Gina, but a lot of
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Speaker 4: people hate Gina and Orange County for the same reason.
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Speaker 4: Like your kids don't hang out with any of these broads,
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Speaker 4: you don't live anywhere close to them. You live in
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Speaker 4: a Casida, you don't belong here. I'm surprised people don't
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Speaker 4: see the same you know, of Monica, but also the
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Speaker 4: diabolical part of driving by homes, trying to get a
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Speaker 4: job with jen getting you know, having equipment installed in
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Speaker 4: her house, still having the login information listening.
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Speaker 3: That's the part that's so.
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Speaker 4: Dark to me, that she would sit and listen to
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Speaker 4: conversations going on in Jenshaw's house and then use that
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Speaker 4: as currency against current cast members. I would assume for
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Speaker 4: you behind the camera, you'd be like, this is hard
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Speaker 4: to navigate because it's wildly fascinating TV. In some respects,
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Speaker 4: it's also pretty dangerous.
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Speaker 1: Yes, let's get into that.
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Speaker 2: So one thing that Andy Comen said on part through
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Speaker 2: of Reunion was I had.
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Speaker 5: A greater reaction to Monica saying to me that production knew.
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Speaker 1: The first time I interviewed. I talked about it in
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Speaker 1: my home with production that this was strolled down casting.
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Speaker 3: Yeah the first time.
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Speaker 1: If you said, I run a boat, and.
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Speaker 3: We wouldn't have cast you, Okay.
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Speaker 5: We obviously knew that she had worked for Genshaw, that
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Speaker 5: she had turned on Genshaw, and we obviously thought that
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Speaker 5: that was interesting and noteworthy.
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Speaker 6: If we would have known about reality vntis, we would
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Speaker 6: have planted seeds earlier on in the episode so that
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Speaker 6: it would have paid off and made much more sense
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Speaker 6: when you found out who and what it was.
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Speaker 1: So I own a production company. I create shows. I
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Speaker 1: cast women and men.
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Speaker 2: If someone would have said to the casting producer, I
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Speaker 2: have a blog, and this blog really talks crap about
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Speaker 2: the Huntsville cast, absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: You will.
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Speaker 2: You won't be hired, right, You just wouldn't be because
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Speaker 2: it is my job to make sure that you're not
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Speaker 2: coming on the show, to utilize this platform of the
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Speaker 2: show to take your strong opinions where you have eviscerated
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Speaker 2: the cast to no degree, and then you want to
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Speaker 2: become friends with them. I would have said no as well,
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Speaker 2: and that's just me being completely honest. Now, what I
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Speaker 2: did find interesting is this Monica allege that the casting
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Speaker 2: producer did.
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Speaker 1: Know that she was a part of a blog. Do
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Speaker 1: you buy that?
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Speaker 3: No, I don't believe anything that she's says. That's the problem.
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Speaker 3: I don't believe one thing that she says.
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Speaker 4: I think she's a very loose relationship with the truth,
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Speaker 4: and I think that we saw evidence of that when
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Speaker 4: the first part of the reunion where they showed the
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Speaker 4: original email that she sent, which goes against what she
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Speaker 4: said on the television show. She said, I you know,
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Speaker 4: I told them, you know, I'm all these things. Your
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Speaker 4: show sucks, you need me, And then you look at
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Speaker 4: the email it was completely different. So no, I don't
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Speaker 4: believe she said that in no way. And also the
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Speaker 4: idea that a production company would no information like that
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Speaker 4: and allow you to be part of their project when
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Speaker 4: they're doing everything they can to de escalate social media
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Speaker 4: trolling because it causes so much distress for the cast members.
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Speaker 4: It makes it difficult for them to cast the show,
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Speaker 4: it makes it difficult for people to stay on the show,
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Speaker 4: and it really disallows them from keeping them in some
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Speaker 4: sort of like safe bubble during the duration of filming,
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Speaker 4: So that made no sense to me. I think that's
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Speaker 4: the problem too with you know, anybody you hire. It
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Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you own a production company, you make
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Speaker 4: a reality show, or you have an office. Would a
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Speaker 4: boss want to employ somebody who makes up lives all
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Speaker 4: the time? Would you like that? Would you like to
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Speaker 4: work with somebody that you completely distrusted? And I've said
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Speaker 4: this on social media and I got ripped apart, but
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Speaker 4: it's true, Like she's a potential liability and people were like, well,
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Speaker 4: Jen was a liability and guess what, she's in prison
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Speaker 4: and she's not on the show anymore. She like, I'm thinking,
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking of the legal part of Like, if you're
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Speaker 4: of counsel for the network, you're gonna tell me they're not.
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Speaker 1: Going to go.
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Speaker 4: You know, let's have a couple of conversations about this
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Speaker 4: cast member and what's going on. Because they're always looking
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Speaker 4: for potential for curious situations, this to me would be
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Speaker 4: one of them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think this if again, I want to
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Speaker 2: relate it back to myself because I want the audience
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Speaker 2: to know how this process works in casting somebody and
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Speaker 2: putting them on the show and then seeing what happens
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Speaker 2: if someone slipped through the c of our casting process
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Speaker 2: on one of my shows and they turned out to
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Speaker 2: be a blogger. Now, look, I have a cast member
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Speaker 2: on my show Huntsville. Her mother was a part of
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Speaker 2: this Facebook group blog where she would have.
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Speaker 1: Very strong opinions about another cast member.
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Speaker 2: Her daughter got on the show, right, so again, you
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Speaker 2: know me, kay, I follow the families. Her mother had
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Speaker 2: very strong opinions about another cast member, and we were
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Speaker 2: all like, why do you dislike this woman so much?
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Speaker 2: She then revealed I watched the show and I also
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Speaker 2: am a fan of it so much that I was
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Speaker 2: a part of this Facebook page, and we in that
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Speaker 2: moment we all realize, Okay, this is odd, but we
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Speaker 2: allowed her to tell her truth, right, because again, she
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Speaker 2: was a part of her daughter's storyline. If a Monica
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Speaker 2: slipped through the cracks of my production and I saw
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Speaker 2: what she brought to the show, I would definitely take
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Speaker 2: invatory of the bigger picture of like, Okay, let's look
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Speaker 2: at things from the grand scheme of things, right, based
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Speaker 2: on what I've seen Kate, Right, Didmonica come in and
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Speaker 2: infiltrated herself into the group. I think we all can
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Speaker 2: say yes, like she definitely did that. What I'm having
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Speaker 2: a hard time grasping, Kate is this was it that
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Speaker 2: bad to the point where allegedly the women were telling
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Speaker 2: production after they wrap, she's dangerous.
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Speaker 1: We don't feel safe around her, we don't want her
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Speaker 1: around Because.
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Speaker 2: For me, when Heather revealed that Jenshaw gave her a
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Speaker 2: black eye, I thought that was the most crock of
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Speaker 2: bullshit and irony for Heather to sit up there and
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Speaker 2: defend Jin until she pled guilty. And I want people
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Speaker 2: to understand this, Heather was team jen until she played guilty.
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Speaker 2: So you have this woman punching you in the eye,
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Speaker 2: giving you a black eye, which to me is the
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Speaker 2: most abhorrent thing that a cast member can do. You're
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Speaker 2: punching somebody.
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Speaker 1: In their eyeball. Yeah, but your cave being around her.
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Speaker 2: But this woman who was wrong, and I want to
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Speaker 2: state this very clear, Monica was wrong.
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Speaker 1: She was wrong.
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Speaker 2: To create pages talking smack about these women and not
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Speaker 2: telling them.
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Speaker 1: But why is what she did so bad that she
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Speaker 1: can't be around you? But Jenshaw care?
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Speaker 4: I think that if you scratch the surface, there's probably
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Speaker 4: something far darker. Like Genshaw was exceptional on what she did,
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Speaker 4: which was conning people, and she could get information out
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Speaker 4: of people. I wonder often how much she knows about
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Speaker 4: all of these women. Yes, and then Monica knows it too,
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Speaker 4: and so really to me, by the end of the finale,
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Speaker 4: I was watching a group of women sitting on a couch,
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Speaker 4: still very terrified that someone has information on them. And
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Speaker 4: I don't know what that may be. If it's financial
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Speaker 4: or emotional or some deep dark family secret. I don't
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Speaker 4: know what it is. But there's a stranglehold that hovers.
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Speaker 4: It's a cloud that hovers over that show. And I
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Speaker 4: think Monica, you know, if you look at the Vontee post,
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Speaker 4: they don't seem that bad. Of course, I know a
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Speaker 4: lot of them have been scrubbed, but I think for
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Speaker 4: the outsider, you're kind of like, Okay, it wasn't that
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Speaker 4: successful in a troll account, right, you know, I don't know,
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Speaker 4: like like nine thousand, I'd never heard of it before.
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Speaker 4: In fact, I think Monica was very angered that it wasn't.
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Speaker 4: You know, you don't know what Vontiice is like. I
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Speaker 4: think she wanted like more celebration of this account that
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Speaker 4: I don't think that many people knew about yeah, it,
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Speaker 4: but it just shows me that whatever information.
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Speaker 1: Jen had, like I don't.
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Speaker 4: I'm not suggesting that she was in business with them
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Speaker 4: or whatever, but there's something that she knows about all
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Speaker 4: of them collectively and each single housewife that is so
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Speaker 4: dark that Monica must know too. And it makes this
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Speaker 4: show right now feel really odd, doesn't it? Like I
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Speaker 4: need to know what it is. Oh, yes, that's the problem. Yes,
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Speaker 4: I want to know. So the whole thing with being
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Speaker 4: punched in the face, I was like, well, first of all,
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Speaker 4: I kept thinking of you in that scene because I
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Speaker 4: kept thinking who was almost.
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Speaker 3: Fired because of that?
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Speaker 4: What can you walk people through that so they understand
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Speaker 4: that because it's not something that we should just smooth
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Speaker 4: over and run through.
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Speaker 1: There is a.
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Speaker 4: Whole process that's put in place if there is this
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Speaker 4: suggestion that someone violently attacks somebody, what the crew members
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Speaker 4: have to go go through that process Because again, like
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Speaker 4: that is a big, big deal.
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Speaker 2: And I will go on record saying to me, that's
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Speaker 2: that's worse than what Monica is doing. Because these producers,
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Speaker 2: production crew, they work twelve hours a day, six days
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Speaker 2: a week. They're leaving their families to make an honest living.
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Speaker 2: They aren't getting paid millions of dollars, Like these housewives
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Speaker 2: are right to work for months and they get paid
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Speaker 2: two million dollars and get some like have brand deals.
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Speaker 2: I was so disgusted by Heather blaming production and a
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Speaker 2: producer that to me, I feel like that should be
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Speaker 2: calls for some sort of consequence because when that happens,
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Speaker 2: and this is speaking as the owner of a production company,
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Speaker 2: if talent alleges that producers or production, right, I'm not.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure she named one person in particularly, or she
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Speaker 2: just made it very gray, right in terms of like
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Speaker 2: production and producers. Maybe they hit me, Maybe they took
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Speaker 2: the footage and edited it out to make these gross accusations. Kate,
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Speaker 2: you have to do an investigation and investigate your production team.
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Speaker 2: And I want people to really know this is serious.
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Speaker 2: You have to not only investigate it, you have to
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Speaker 2: put these poor people through this process of now they're
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Speaker 2: being questioned and the way it works in reality shows, Kate,
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Speaker 2: we're all freelancers, so they have to like leave one
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Speaker 2: show to work on the next. If there's any sort
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Speaker 2: of like shadow of doubt of this person's integrity or
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Speaker 2: the production integrity, that could cost them working on another show, Kate.
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Speaker 2: I was so fired up by that, and to me,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't funny and the fact that she said, oh
20:55
Speaker 2: it was find out I was making a joke.
20:57
Speaker 1: Why is that funny? Why are you win?
21:00
Speaker 2: I'm okay with your castmate lying on production and doing
21:06
Speaker 2: get Kate so freely publicly trying to promote her book
21:11
Speaker 2: and making jokes about it. That to me is not okay,
21:15
Speaker 2: And I feel like there should be some level of
21:16
Speaker 2: consequence for that. If Monica has to set out because
21:20
Speaker 2: she needs to work through her friendships with these ladies,
21:23
Speaker 2: what is the punishment for Heather for lying on production and.
21:28
Speaker 1: The fact that they're in a sense in all of this.
21:29
Speaker 2: I was so disgusted by Heather and still am very
21:34
Speaker 2: disgusted by her.
21:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, what would would be an appropriate consequence?
21:38
Speaker 2: Oh, it's to me, it's sort of like obviously I'm
21:41
Speaker 2: not a lawyer, right, but I think it could range
21:44
Speaker 2: anything from like suspension for a few weeks of.
21:47
Speaker 1: Work, a huge public apology.
21:50
Speaker 2: And to me, this is why I call bullshit on this,
21:53
Speaker 2: sort of like, well, we have to get rid of
21:55
Speaker 2: Monica because she didn't do a good job at apologize.
21:57
Speaker 1: To her castmates.
21:58
Speaker 2: Huh if that's the case, whatever, Heather did not do
22:03
Speaker 2: a good job and apologizing.
22:05
Speaker 1: To do her producers.
22:06
Speaker 2: If I was a production person on that show, this,
22:09
Speaker 2: and I'm being very honest, and this, Kate is coming
22:12
Speaker 2: from somebody who was lied on by a reality star.
22:16
Speaker 2: I know what it feels like, Kate, for a reality
22:19
Speaker 2: start to lie on you, and Kate that that still
22:21
Speaker 2: follows me no matter what happens. Is always like the
22:25
Speaker 2: trolls who say, well, Carlo, you told somebody. I never
22:28
Speaker 2: said it. I never said it. So it's one thing
22:32
Speaker 2: to say, well, the producer, you know, made me say that. Whatever,
22:36
Speaker 2: because all these realities started love to blame the producer.
22:39
Speaker 4: It's like an easy thing to say because that person's faceless.
22:42
Speaker 4: That's the problem, and it's a it's a discrepancy and power.
22:47
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, So if I was a producer
22:51
Speaker 2: on that show, I would feel yer uncomfortable being around Heather.
22:56
Speaker 2: And I mean this, I know that as a producer,
23:00
Speaker 2: as a camera operator, an audio person, a PA, I
23:05
Speaker 2: would be so afraid being around Heather because it's one
23:09
Speaker 2: of the things where if she felt so comfortable, not
23:13
Speaker 2: only saying it once, Kate but going on a press
23:16
Speaker 2: towards saying it, I will feel uncomfortable being in.
23:19
Speaker 1: Her home, being around her children.
23:23
Speaker 2: Because she may say things like I think he stole something,
23:27
Speaker 2: or I think she did this to me. I think
23:29
Speaker 2: that needs to be a bigger level conversation than what
23:31
Speaker 2: it is.
23:32
Speaker 4: Well, No, I think what you're saying is that there
23:35
Speaker 4: are two layers of trust ye to make a successful show.
23:38
Speaker 4: There's the trust within the cast members, which makes filming
23:41
Speaker 4: on a storytelling possible. And the other layer is the
23:45
Speaker 4: trust that the crew has with the cast members and
23:48
Speaker 4: vice versa. And what you're saying, and I think this
23:51
Speaker 4: is a very important conversation, very illuminating, is that there
23:56
Speaker 4: are two violations there that are going on in one show.
24:01
Speaker 4: One the surface that we see, which is the cast
24:03
Speaker 4: member distrust. But this is a distrust within the producing sphere,
24:10
Speaker 4: and while it's not always visible to people, it is,
24:13
Speaker 4: it's very much there, and it makes the process of
24:16
Speaker 4: making a successful show really difficult to do. So so
24:20
Speaker 4: I think that that's a problem that they need to address.
24:22
Speaker 3: So I think what my answer to be would for
24:26
Speaker 3: this would be.
24:27
Speaker 4: Maybe suspend Heather for a while, hold Monica, you know,
24:32
Speaker 4: for a season or something just to there just needs
24:35
Speaker 4: to be some time for the women to come because
24:37
Speaker 4: they're filming right away and they need some space. But
24:40
Speaker 4: you got to get new people in because these shows
24:43
Speaker 4: do not exist on one or two housewives. You have
24:46
Speaker 4: to bring in new things. And if we want to
24:47
Speaker 4: tell honest storytelling, which has been very difficult up until now,
24:51
Speaker 4: I think like honest friendship, like people completely cracking themselves
24:55
Speaker 4: open production, feeling like they are, you know, entrusting that
25:00
Speaker 4: the cast members will allow them to help them tell
25:02
Speaker 4: their stories.
25:03
Speaker 3: Those things need to.
25:04
Speaker 2: Happen, oh, one hundred percent, because at this point, to me,
25:06
Speaker 2: Heather is a liability and we have to start really
25:11
Speaker 2: putting our love with the crew because they are the
25:14
Speaker 2: unsung heroes of this operation and any production, whether it's
25:19
Speaker 2: scripted or unscripted, you're nothing without your crew. And that's
25:22
Speaker 2: why I appreciate when I have reality stars on my
25:25
Speaker 2: podcast and they're able to say, like, I love my crew.
25:27
Speaker 2: I've missed those guys. So I do agree with you
25:30
Speaker 2: with that shifting gears a little bit. Where do you
25:33
Speaker 2: think the show goes from here? Because I believe you
25:36
Speaker 2: and I spoke about this on my podcast too in
25:38
Speaker 2: terms of like where does Monica go from here? And
25:40
Speaker 2: for me, what I would have liked to have seen?
25:43
Speaker 2: And again, guys, I produced the first two seasons of
25:46
Speaker 2: New Jersey, so we had Danielle Style, who obviously after
25:51
Speaker 2: the table flip, she was on an island, like a
25:53
Speaker 2: complete island, so they brought her back to season two.
25:57
Speaker 2: The mistake that Danielle made and I said this to
26:00
Speaker 2: her on my podcast and she agreed. The biggest mistake
26:04
Speaker 2: Danielle made season two she did not want to befriend
26:08
Speaker 2: those other women.
26:09
Speaker 1: That was not a smart thing to do.
26:11
Speaker 2: You can't be on an ensembles show, k because you're right, listen,
26:15
Speaker 2: there's breakout stars, there's force multipliers, but it is an
26:18
Speaker 2: ensembles show, and you need everybody to play the game,
26:21
Speaker 2: the game of like where we want to be real
26:23
Speaker 2: and make good television. Danielle having a whole nother life
26:27
Speaker 2: within the show with Kim G and Kim D and
26:30
Speaker 2: then Danny the security guard and yeah, and Kate I
26:35
Speaker 2: was there that season and she said this on my
26:38
Speaker 2: podcast because I was her producer of season one. She
26:41
Speaker 2: was mad at me because she said, you need to
26:42
Speaker 2: protect me. I'm like protect you from what, like, stop
26:45
Speaker 2: using those words reality stars.
26:47
Speaker 1: We're producing a show.
26:49
Speaker 2: So I was not her producer for season two, and
26:52
Speaker 2: she literally Kate ice herself out of the collective because
26:57
Speaker 2: this is the thing that we wanted Jacqueline to reach.
27:00
Speaker 2: So they were okay with filming with her. They wanted
27:03
Speaker 2: to address the elephant in the room, Dina Manzel. To
27:07
Speaker 2: her fucking credit, Kate, Dina Manzel said, let me film
27:11
Speaker 2: with Danielle before I leave, because she understood this is
27:14
Speaker 2: what the fans want and I need to get this
27:15
Speaker 2: out of my system.
27:16
Speaker 1: Closure the closure.
27:18
Speaker 2: I felt like if Monica came back next season, my
27:22
Speaker 2: one advice for Monica would have been, you have to
27:26
Speaker 2: try to make things right, and if you don't succeed,
27:31
Speaker 2: then yes, there's no way you can film a show.
27:35
Speaker 2: I'm a witness to it to where you're on a
27:38
Speaker 2: complete island. But I would have like Kate to have
27:41
Speaker 2: seen this filmed.
27:43
Speaker 4: I think the problem with Monica right now is she's
27:47
Speaker 4: got the full pedal on the gas, and like bringing
27:51
Speaker 4: the dumb burn book, which was like very infantile, just
27:55
Speaker 4: shows you she's so far from understanding the point that
27:58
Speaker 4: you just made. I mean, and if she were smart enough,
28:01
Speaker 4: which is weird because she's watched every frame of the
28:03
Speaker 4: show and she studied the dynamics with her mom and
28:06
Speaker 4: all of that. But wouldn't she have known by the
28:09
Speaker 4: end of the last part of the reunion. You make amends,
28:11
Speaker 4: you go into the next season, you bring somebody flowers
28:13
Speaker 4: at lunch, you go to their house, you pretend you're
28:16
Speaker 4: interested in their kids.
28:16
Speaker 3: You do the whole thing. She's missing that she's got
28:20
Speaker 3: full pedal to the gas right now.
28:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, the burn book was a flop, and listen, I
28:25
Speaker 2: love Monica, Okay. I was like, this was not a
28:30
Speaker 2: good idea. Who told you to do it? Your glam squad?
28:33
Speaker 2: Was it your pr your social media manager? Like somebody
28:36
Speaker 2: should have said no, somebody should have advised her to
28:40
Speaker 2: like defend yourself, own up to the things that happened
28:45
Speaker 2: and apologize. I would have looked at every woman on
28:48
Speaker 2: that stage and said, I know I fucked up, and
28:51
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and I know it's going to take some
28:53
Speaker 2: work to get you to earn your trust, just like
28:56
Speaker 2: it took work for you, Meredith and Lisa to work
28:59
Speaker 2: the your issues. I am asking for the same. If
29:04
Speaker 2: I would I would like to prove to you ladies
29:07
Speaker 2: that I'm not that same person anymore, and I will
29:10
Speaker 2: appreciate some grace in that.
29:14
Speaker 1: And I think, listen what they have said.
29:17
Speaker 2: Sure, maybe not, but I think to your point, the
29:21
Speaker 2: audience is on Monica's side, But I think she would
29:24
Speaker 2: maybe have had ninety nine point nine percent even you.
29:27
Speaker 1: Kay, I'm assuming because I think you would appreciate a
29:30
Speaker 1: little bit of humility.
29:31
Speaker 4: Well, the one part, one thing that I did like
29:33
Speaker 4: this season was when she said, you know, I spent
29:36
Speaker 4: a ton of money just to have a bag, just
29:38
Speaker 4: so I could feel like you guys wouldn't like accept me.
29:41
Speaker 3: That was a great scene.
29:43
Speaker 4: So if she had said I went off the rails,
29:47
Speaker 4: I so badly wanted to be part of the show
29:50
Speaker 4: because I feel like I'm just like you. I'm just
29:53
Speaker 4: trying to keep my head above water. I'm like trying
29:56
Speaker 4: to be the best mom I can. I've made some
29:58
Speaker 4: bad decisions in my you know, relationships, and I got
30:02
Speaker 4: way ahead of myself. But the truth is I really
30:06
Speaker 4: love and respect all of you, and I would like
30:08
Speaker 4: to make up for it. I want to spend time
30:10
Speaker 4: with you, like she seem to have to say, that
30:12
Speaker 4: she could just like show up at beauty lab and
30:14
Speaker 4: bring flowers and say can I'm off the floor. She
30:17
Speaker 4: could make it so funny, but she doesn't think I'm like,
30:22
Speaker 4: call me, I'll tell you what to do something like that.
30:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, no, That's the thing.
30:27
Speaker 2: I could not agree more in the sense of I
30:30
Speaker 2: would have liked to have seen that, but it didn't happen.
30:36
Speaker 2: But I keep going back to what I Listen, Housewives
30:41
Speaker 2: will always go down in history as one of the
30:43
Speaker 2: greatest franchise that was ever created.
30:45
Speaker 1: Shout out to Scott.
30:46
Speaker 2: Dunlop, like Genie is Mine to create something about women
30:50
Speaker 2: behind the gates that has springboarded into being an international
30:55
Speaker 2: fucking hit.
30:56
Speaker 1: Right. What I love about.
30:57
Speaker 2: This conversation Kate is that I was there from the
31:00
Speaker 2: beginning of two big franchises, the lantin Jersey, and what
31:04
Speaker 2: I do miss is at least seeing a person try
31:11
Speaker 2: to make amends and if it failed, then go about
31:15
Speaker 2: your business.
31:16
Speaker 1: And I was shocked that she was let go.
31:20
Speaker 4: But I don't think she's totally let go. The language
31:24
Speaker 4: doesn't say that. I think people on social media jump
31:26
Speaker 4: to that conclusion, but if you read the Variety interview,
31:29
Speaker 4: with Lorie Gordon who's the showrunner, and Lisa Shannon, executive producer.
31:33
Speaker 4: That's not the language they use. It's more like just
31:37
Speaker 4: we're taking a hot minute. It's like maybe even they
31:40
Speaker 4: use the phraseology.
31:41
Speaker 3: It included pause.
31:43
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like they're completely closing the door. They said,
31:46
Speaker 4: we're having ongoing conversations about this all the time.
31:50
Speaker 1: Where does this show go from here? Cake?
31:52
Speaker 2: Because I wasn't going to watch this season, Elisa Rollsen
31:56
Speaker 2: and the rain Doss maybe watch it, and I thank
31:58
Speaker 2: them for it.
31:58
Speaker 4: I don't think you're going to watch the next seas
32:00
Speaker 4: In the other I don't think you're gonna watch the
32:01
Speaker 4: next season. I know that there are rumors about two
32:04
Speaker 4: additions to additions to the show. I don't know much
32:08
Speaker 4: about them. I am still annoyed that they have not
32:12
Speaker 4: taken my advice and hired my friend Shannon because she
32:15
Speaker 4: is a Mormon mother of five who is a former
32:19
Speaker 4: Utah jazz dancer. She goes out dancing. She doesn't seem
32:24
Speaker 4: to be what you would think of a Mormon, but
32:26
Speaker 4: it's a practicing Mormon. And if you're going to tell
32:28
Speaker 4: the story of Salt Lake City, don't you want to
32:31
Speaker 4: have practicing Mormons. I don't know, so I think that
32:35
Speaker 4: they found well, it seems to be even in that
32:38
Speaker 4: Variety article that they found Mary Cosby and I she
32:41
Speaker 4: thought she was a really interesting character, and they thought,
32:43
Speaker 4: how can we build around this? And then they find
32:45
Speaker 4: Lisa Barlow, and Lisa Barlow was like, let me find
32:48
Speaker 4: a bunch of people. But it's not telling the story
32:51
Speaker 4: of Salt Lake City. I asked you one of the
32:53
Speaker 4: first episodes we ever, did you go, you know what?
32:55
Speaker 4: It could be real housewiss, Scottsdale, and it would make
32:57
Speaker 4: no difference to me. It doesn't tell the story of
32:59
Speaker 4: that city. So you gotta go back to that. Who
33:03
Speaker 4: are the women that live there? What is the lens
33:05
Speaker 4: through which they live? Of course you're gonna have, you know,
33:07
Speaker 4: all different kinds of personalities, but there has to be
33:10
Speaker 4: some threadline that's similar. And I don't think that exists now.
33:14
Speaker 4: And that's the problem. And that's why you could have
33:16
Speaker 4: somebody like Monica take a bowling ball and like just
33:19
Speaker 4: blow through the place, because there wasn't any sort of
33:22
Speaker 4: threadline connecting them all together.
33:25
Speaker 2: No, I could not agree with you more about that.
33:28
Speaker 2: What is missing from Salt Lake City is the sort
33:32
Speaker 2: of the overview of the backdrop of a city. When
33:36
Speaker 2: you watch Real Housewives at Billy Hills, they do a
33:38
Speaker 2: great job at like exposing Beverly Hills. You know when
33:42
Speaker 2: they bring up, well, honey in Kapi Hilton hunting Beverley Hills,
33:46
Speaker 2: you just don't do that. Honey in Beverly Hills is
33:47
Speaker 2: about the bag. They do a great job Atlanta. It
33:51
Speaker 2: was all about, like, you know, these very much like
33:54
Speaker 2: powerful women who are like super funny, and like they
33:59
Speaker 2: dress berried differently, and it's the accent and even with Jersey,
34:03
Speaker 2: Jersey smelled, taste, everything like Jersey. It was very much
34:07
Speaker 2: like the hair and the act. Salt Lake City could
34:10
Speaker 2: be anywhere in the world. So when it comes to
34:13
Speaker 2: your friend Shannon, who I haven't even met yet, but
34:16
Speaker 2: on paper, she sounds like somebody I would be interested in.
34:21
Speaker 2: And I do think, listen, it's gonna take a hell
34:26
Speaker 2: mayriage to give me a watch next season unless Eliza
34:30
Speaker 2: texts me.
34:30
Speaker 1: But I need to say this, I really wish.
34:35
Speaker 2: The women were more business savvy because I would have said, look,
34:44
Speaker 2: you guys were on the level of the Real Housewives
34:46
Speaker 2: of Dallas when they got rid ofly in lock In.
34:50
Speaker 2: I'm not here to judge anything, but when they got
34:52
Speaker 2: rid ofly in lock In, I think we all sort
34:55
Speaker 2: of knew that that show was doomed.
34:57
Speaker 1: You know it was.
34:58
Speaker 2: And again, not one person makes the show, but one
35:01
Speaker 2: person knows is the first multiply they kind of know
35:03
Speaker 2: how to like make things happen the way Tamar Judge resurrected, ohc.
35:09
Speaker 2: So I really wish the women would have said, look,
35:11
Speaker 2: is she crazy? Are we scared of her yet? But Kate,
35:15
Speaker 2: this would be me, Hey, let let her come back
35:18
Speaker 2: so that we can like, you know, really like drain
35:23
Speaker 2: her and.
35:23
Speaker 1: Like talks, you know, like let's let's let's let's really go.
35:27
Speaker 2: To town on her. But the fact that they didn't
35:30
Speaker 2: see that, they're missing the mark. And that's why you
35:34
Speaker 2: have a Teresa Judaiz and a Heather Gay Because Teresa
35:38
Speaker 2: knew Carlos. She would say this to me, Kate, bring
35:42
Speaker 2: where is Danielle? I need her?
35:46
Speaker 1: Where is she? Why are we filming with her?
35:49
Speaker 2: Like Teresa was like, bring her on, I don't give
35:53
Speaker 2: a ship, bring her on? And I really wish these
35:56
Speaker 2: women were smart enough to say, we are in the
36:01
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Times, and I sometimes want other Kay, if
36:05
Speaker 2: the jealousy of Monica being the breakout star created the
36:08
Speaker 2: atmosphere where they just want her gone as.
36:10
Speaker 4: Well, Well, you know you've got Jen and she's got
36:14
Speaker 4: a stranglehold on the show. And then you know, you're
36:16
Speaker 4: on the show for years and years and you feel
36:18
Speaker 4: like you've cracked yourself open and you've like exposed your life.
36:22
Speaker 4: And then someone else comes in and then they also,
36:24
Speaker 4: on top of it, may have all these secrets of
36:28
Speaker 4: yours and they know it, and maybe they're taunting you
36:32
Speaker 4: with it. That's what I think is happening behind the scenes. Yes,
36:35
Speaker 4: it's the taunting. It's like I know all of the secrets,
36:41
Speaker 4: I know where everything's buried, and if you really want
36:43
Speaker 4: to fuck with me, those stories will come out. And
36:45
Speaker 4: I think that that's the terror that you saw on
36:48
Speaker 4: the couch. But to me, I'm like, that's mob wives.
36:51
Speaker 4: Tell me what is really going on? Yes, you know,
36:56
Speaker 4: because this doesn't really This seems so just like disjointed.
37:00
Speaker 2: Yes, you're one thousand percent right. I think the other
37:03
Speaker 2: women are afraid of what Monica knows and they want
37:06
Speaker 2: her gone before she spills the tea.
37:09
Speaker 4: It might not even be what they think like they
37:12
Speaker 4: might maybe she goes, well, I know x y Z,
37:14
Speaker 4: but they know that she was listening into Jen's conversations
37:18
Speaker 4: in her house.
37:20
Speaker 3: So it's the fear of what they don't know that
37:23
Speaker 3: she knows, you know what I mean? Like Jen was.
37:27
Speaker 4: Very good at what she did, and maybe there's a
37:30
Speaker 4: fear like I don't know what she knows.
37:31
Speaker 2: It just hit me the reason why Heather revealed Jen
37:36
Speaker 2: gave her the black eye. She wanted to be the
37:39
Speaker 2: first person to say because she need the Monica new.
37:41
Speaker 3: Which is a great strategy. Yes, that's the best thing.
37:43
Speaker 1: You can do. Let me be the one to spit
37:45
Speaker 1: my own tea.
37:46
Speaker 4: And maybe we need to go back and look at
37:47
Speaker 4: the footage because we need to see Monica's face after
37:50
Speaker 4: she revealed that, what did she look deflated? Because that
37:54
Speaker 4: just happened on Southern Charm where Taylor knew that Olivia
37:59
Speaker 4: had made out at one point years ago with Thomas
38:01
Speaker 4: Robinal and Olivia said, I'm just gonna put it out
38:05
Speaker 4: in the world because I can see what you're trying
38:07
Speaker 4: to do, and you're the only person that I told
38:09
Speaker 4: and you're about to try to weaponize it. So I'm
38:11
Speaker 4: just gonna put it out there, and then it just
38:13
Speaker 4: totally deflated the other girl because she's like, oh shit,
38:15
Speaker 4: that's that was the power, that was what she had
38:18
Speaker 4: over her.
38:19
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Oh my gods. Kay, we cracked
38:21
Speaker 1: the code because we all felt like, why would you.
38:24
Speaker 1: It came out of nowhere. It came out of nowhere.
38:27
Speaker 2: And I think Tuanisha allegedly, I think Tuanisha gave Heather
38:31
Speaker 2: heads up, Hey, she knows that Jen gave you the
38:35
Speaker 2: black eye. Yeah, And I think Heather said, as I
38:38
Speaker 2: go to this dinner exposing Monica, let me reveal this
38:42
Speaker 2: myself so that Monica doesn't say it for me, because
38:46
Speaker 2: because Heather had no intention of revealing that information.
38:51
Speaker 1: If she didn't think that Monica would said first.
38:54
Speaker 2: So that goes to show you that these women know
38:56
Speaker 2: that Monica knows a lot about them courtesy of being
39:00
Speaker 2: eavesdropper in Jan's home.
39:02
Speaker 4: Which is insane. Can you imagine if you found out
39:04
Speaker 4: you had an assistant that was listening for hours to
39:07
Speaker 4: all your conversations. That's a terrifying idea. Then you go
39:13
Speaker 4: back in your head you're like, oh my god, what
39:14
Speaker 4: did I talk about?
39:15
Speaker 6: Did what?
39:15
Speaker 4: Did I reveal something? That's what's going on? Is this
39:18
Speaker 4: like fear of like I don't even know what Monica knows.
39:21
Speaker 3: They don't even know what she might know.
39:23
Speaker 2: And the words of Lisa, I'm shaking of physically shaking. Wow,
39:27
Speaker 2: we just cracked the code. Thank you so much for
39:29
Speaker 2: hopping on Reality with the King. I couldn't not have
39:31
Speaker 2: done this episode with anybody else but you.
39:33
Speaker 1: Seriously, I want.
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