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Credlin | 28 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on Sky Ning's Australia. Good evening, Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show, Steve Price. I'll be filling in for
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Speaker 1: Peter Credlin for the next few weeks. Well the politicians,
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Speaker 1: they're back in Canberra and a great sense of deja
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Speaker 1: vu with the climate wars erupting yet again, but you
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Speaker 1: get a sense things might be a little different this
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Speaker 1: time around. Here's what's coming up on Kredlin on the
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Speaker 1: program tonight will take you to Canberra for the latest
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Speaker 1: on Barnaby Joyce's so called net zero abandonment bill as
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Speaker 1: the number of Coalition MPs siding with Barnaby and with
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Speaker 1: Michael McCormack actually grow. That'll go before the Parliament tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Victoria's new Police Commissioner, by the way, a blokeout of
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Speaker 1: New Zealand, Mike Bush. He went on a media blitz
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Speaker 1: today to sell his plans to fix that state's youth
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Speaker 1: crime crisis and look after the and try and control
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Speaker 1: these weekly pro Palestine rallies. But he rules out introducing
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Speaker 1: a new South Wales style protest permit. The jury is
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Speaker 1: still out on this new bloke, and meantime, pro Palestine
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Speaker 1: protesters are threatening a march across the Sydney Harbor Bridge
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Speaker 1: this Sunday. Chris Men's the Premier says it can't happen.
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Speaker 1: We'll wait and see. Also tonight, child psychologists clear role
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Speaker 1: on what we really should be doing to protect our
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Speaker 1: children from bullying, certainly not the kumbay our idea of
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Speaker 1: sitting down with the bullies, with the aggressors and having.
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Speaker 2: A little chat.
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Speaker 1: And first up, I look at the latest Chris Yulman
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Speaker 1: Sky special called the war Cabinet timely as senior UK
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Speaker 1: defense chiefs and the HMS Prince of Wales's aircraft carrier
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Speaker 1: docks in Darwin. First though, after the October seven Hummas
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Speaker 1: terrorist attacks on Israel, the streets of some of our
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Speaker 1: capital cities have had to endure weekend after weekend of
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Speaker 1: protest marches disrupting traffic, banging drums, carrying signs and banners
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Speaker 1: emblazoned with anti Semitic messages likening the Israeli laid Ill
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Speaker 1: leadership to Nazis and in the latest mindless copycat chant
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Speaker 1: shouting death to the IDF and IOF meaning the Israeli military.
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Speaker 1: Melbourne has been the worst affected city and again yesterday,
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Speaker 1: these same pro Palestine protesters through central Melbourne into lockdown
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Speaker 1: as they march from the State Library to the NNGV,
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Speaker 1: the National Gallery of Victoria. Why the NGV, Well, it
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Speaker 1: seems because one of Australia's most prominent Jewish families, the
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Speaker 1: Gandel family, are generous benefactors of the works displayed in
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Speaker 1: that gallery. John Gandell owns the giant Chadston shopping center.
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Speaker 1: He and his wife Pauline are some of the biggest
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Speaker 1: philanthropic families in Australia. Generous, generous people. Gandal was born
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Speaker 1: in Australia in nineteen thirty five to Polish parents and
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Speaker 1: inherited their clothing business before branching out into real estate investments.
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Speaker 1: He has donated millions and I mean millions of dollars
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Speaker 1: to charities, including a million dollar donation to fight deadly
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Speaker 1: bushfires in his home state of Victoria. He also happens
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Speaker 1: to have an honorary doctorate of philosophy from the University
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Speaker 1: of Tel Aviv and has donated to the Hebrew University
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Speaker 1: of Jerusalem.
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Speaker 2: So you have to ask why an agro group.
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Speaker 1: Of pro Palestinian protesters would target such a man. Well,
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Speaker 1: the answers simple, he's Jewish. I mean this is another
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Speaker 1: example of how Australian's biggest Jewish city, Melbourne, has descended
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Speaker 1: into the anti Semitic capital of Australia. You don't believe me, Well,
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Speaker 1: just last Friday, a group of year five students Year
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Speaker 1: five from Mount Scopus College, we're visiting the Melbourne Museum.
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Speaker 1: The visibly Jewish students, age ten and eleven, were allegedly
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Speaker 1: verbally attacked by older high school students age sixteen from
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Speaker 1: Gladstone Park High School, and the allegations from the Mount
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Speaker 1: Scopists principle were that the older students started shouting free Palestine,
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Speaker 1: you dirty Jews, and free Hesbellah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, can you believe this stuff?
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Speaker 1: He even claims a teacher from the high school Gladstone
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Speaker 1: Park was approached to intervene, but that teacher responded, wow,
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Speaker 1: this is just their beliefs and asked what do you
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Speaker 1: want me to do about it? I mean there have
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Speaker 1: been synagogue's fire bombed in Melbourne, Jewish businesses daubed with
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Speaker 1: anti Semitic graffiti, and the marches I have talked about
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Speaker 1: over and over every weekend. The vision tells the story
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Speaker 1: these protesters are threatening clearly anti Semitic, are demanding massive
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Speaker 1: police resources, which all of us are funding. And now
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Speaker 1: we see major destinations like the Art Gallery forced into
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Speaker 1: a Sunday lockdown. You have to ask when is enough enough?
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Speaker 1: The organizers have threatened to keep up this weekly protest
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Speaker 1: until what I don't know exactly. I'm not sure they
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Speaker 1: even know will to cease fire without the release of
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Speaker 1: the hostages keep them happy?
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Speaker 2: I doubt it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, some of this movement has been infiltrated clearly
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Speaker 1: by the radical left jew haters, that's what they get
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Speaker 1: off on. And then today this from the new Commissioner
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Speaker 1: of Police saying their legal advice is that protests don't
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Speaker 1: contravene the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act or the Crimes Act.
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Speaker 1: I mean you have to ask, what's the point of
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Speaker 1: the laws then if you can march up and down
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Speaker 1: screaming out for the death of Israeli soldiers and calling
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Speaker 1: their prime Minister Hitler. The new Commissioner of Police also
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Speaker 1: ruled out introducing a protest march permit system that was
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Speaker 1: used in New South Wales to divert a similar protest
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Speaker 1: march away from a Sydney synagogue. I mean Jewish school
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Speaker 1: kids as young as ten called dirty Jews, the Israeli
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Speaker 1: Prime minister like in the Hitler and all the historical connotations.
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Speaker 1: That has hundreds of police dragged into work over time,
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Speaker 1: a national art gallery lockdown on a Sunday and we're
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Speaker 1: supposed to accept it, Well, doesn't break the law. We're
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Speaker 1: just going to have to keep changing the law otherwise.
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Speaker 1: These people are doing the same thing been doing for
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Speaker 1: nearly two years. Then late today more proof of the
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Speaker 1: leftist labor government of Jacinta Allen. They've got no intention
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Speaker 1: of stopping these people. Unbelievably, well, sorry, entirely believable. Someone
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Speaker 1: calling herself the Multicultural Minister of Victoria, Ingrid Stit said
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Speaker 1: people have the right to protest peacefully. She was asked
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Speaker 1: whether the gallery invasion was appropriate and said this, these.
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Speaker 3: Are operational matters for Vic Pohl to respond to. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: what we would say to the community is that.
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Speaker 4: You do have the right to peacefully protest.
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Speaker 1: What's multicultural about this? I mean, why don't you just
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Speaker 1: say we're going to stop the marches. I mean the
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Speaker 1: problem is that these ministers, particularly those ministers in the
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Speaker 1: Allen government, they can't tell the difference between peaceful protests
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Speaker 1: and anti semitism. It's no wonder Australian Jewish communities have
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Speaker 1: lost faith in their governments.
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Speaker 2: It's un It's said the camera.
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Speaker 1: Now for tonight's political headlines, we're joined by Skoye New's
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Speaker 1: political reporter cam.
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Speaker 2: Redden Good Evening.
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Speaker 5: Internal pressure is mounting for the Coalition to abandon its
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Speaker 5: commitments to net zero emissions by twenty fifty. Long time
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Speaker 5: rivals now leading and emissions rebellion.
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Speaker 6: This is about a great threat to our nation.
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Speaker 2: It is what it appears. It's a con job.
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Speaker 7: What we're doing here is talking about the consequences of
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Speaker 7: a policy that has heard Australians.
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Speaker 5: As one nation. Leader Pauline Hanson moves her own anti
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Speaker 5: net zero motion in the Senate.
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Speaker 7: And if Coalition senators don't support your urgency motion, well.
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Speaker 2: The gutlass, you know, the cowards.
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Speaker 5: Shadow Energy Minister Dan Teen tasked with leading a review
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Speaker 5: of the party's position.
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Speaker 8: What's incredibly important is not only being able to articulate
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Speaker 8: what you're against, but you also have to be able
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Speaker 8: to articulate what you're for.
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Speaker 1: You'll go with whatever the Party rem tells you or
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Speaker 1: do you have your own view.
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Speaker 4: I'm the leader and I'll make the call when the
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Speaker 4: time comes.
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Speaker 5: The government has formally introduced its bill to reduce the
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Speaker 5: price of medicines. From January one.
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Speaker 8: More Australian patients are able to fill the scripts that
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Speaker 8: their health practitioners have said are important for their health.
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Speaker 9: This is something that the opposition that coalition have always
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Speaker 9: been in favor of.
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Speaker 5: A former minister in the Albanezer government has broken ranks
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Speaker 5: to call for the immediate recognition of a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 8: We should be making that case and saying we're prepared
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Speaker 8: to recognize that now.
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Speaker 2: It's a move.
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Speaker 5: French President Emmanuel mccron will make out of the United
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Speaker 5: Nations in September, joining one hundred and forty seven other
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Speaker 5: nations in recognition, but the Prime Minister says Australia won't
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Speaker 5: follow suit until later in the peace process.
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Speaker 3: Australia will make that decision as a sovereign state.
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Speaker 1: We obviously are in discussions with other countries as well.
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Speaker 5: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra, Yeah, busy.
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Speaker 2: Day and Canberra, thanks for that Cam.
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Speaker 1: Now, extraordinary scenes have been unfolding in Australia's top end
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Speaker 1: over the past few weeks with a military exercise the
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Speaker 1: size of which we had not seen probably since the
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Speaker 1: end of World War II. Now it's called Exercise Talisman Saber,
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Speaker 1: and the extent of the cooperation between nineteen countries and
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Speaker 1: thirty five thousand personnel is something to behold. It's even
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Speaker 1: included the six billion dollar UK aircraft carrier HMS Prince
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Speaker 1: of Wales that has, for the first time in decades
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Speaker 1: seen a British aircraft carrier dock in an Australian port,
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Speaker 1: ironically Darwin, which of course is been leased by a
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Speaker 1: company with links to the Chinese Communist Party.
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Speaker 2: We're trying to undo that.
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Speaker 1: Top British security officials are there, and it comes at
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Speaker 1: a time when relations, of course with our biggest ally
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Speaker 1: of the US are strained at best. Joining me now
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Speaker 1: is Sky's political commentator Chris Human, who's about to host
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Speaker 1: a roundtable TV special for Sky called The War Cabinet. Chris,
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Speaker 1: let's have a sneak preview of what we can expect
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Speaker 1: is going to wear on August eleven.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 10: These strikes were a spectacular military success.
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Speaker 2: Future attacks would be fard reader, How could anyone think
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Speaker 2: that we're in a benign period and we don't have
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Speaker 2: to worry.
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Speaker 1: Chris Yulman hosts a panel of the best military minds
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Speaker 1: in the country to answer the question we battle ready.
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Speaker 2: We will ensure that Australia has the capability that we need.
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Speaker 11: The War Cabinet premieres Monday August eleven on Sky News.
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Speaker 1: Wait to see it, Chris, I mean I mentioned Talisman
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Speaker 1: there and the Britz aircraft carrier. I mean, what does
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Speaker 1: that visit actually say about the UK's concerns around our
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Speaker 1: region in China.
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Speaker 2: Good evening to team mate.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's Steph could be with you. Look what everyone understands,
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Speaker 7: and that is that China is an enormous threat that
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Speaker 7: we don't really want to talk about the China word
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Speaker 7: very much in Australia every morning, but all the government's
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Speaker 7: strategic assessments say the same thing is that we are
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Speaker 7: now inside a ten year window which we thought we
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Speaker 7: had to prepare ourselves for a conflict, and the question
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Speaker 7: is are we ready for that? And when we say
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Speaker 7: war Cabinet, wee minutes, Steve. We're going to get people
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Speaker 7: around the table who've actually been in cabinet like a
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Speaker 7: format Labor, Defense Minister jol Fit's given our longest serving
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Speaker 7: foreign minister, Alexander Downer, Major General Mick Ryan, and Format
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Speaker 7: Naval Officer Jennifer Parker. We'll look at the nature of
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Speaker 7: new warfare with Alexandra Maloy, who's Ukrainian Australian who knows
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Speaker 7: all about drone warfare in the Ukraine, and also about
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Speaker 7: the cyber warfare that we're seeing now with Katherine Manstead.
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Speaker 7: We'll also get Peter Jennings, who Sky News knows terribly well,
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Speaker 7: and doctor Ross Babbage, who is one of Australia's great
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Speaker 7: strategic thinkers. And Mike Pizulo, former Head of Home Affairs.
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Speaker 7: So when we put that war cabinet together, it will
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Speaker 7: be some of the best minds in the country thinking
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Speaker 7: about the biggest threat to our future.
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Speaker 1: When you go into something like this, I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: probably easy to reflect and concentrate on what we haven't done.
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Speaker 2: I mean, various.
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Speaker 1: Governments of both both colors have not spent enough on defense.
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Speaker 2: We know that. Is it too late?
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Speaker 1: I mean, these great minds will say this is what
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Speaker 1: we should be doing, but can we catch up realistically?
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Speaker 7: And that's a very good question because of course everyone
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Speaker 7: talks about twenty twenty seven now as the likely time
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Speaker 7: or a possible time that China may act with force
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Speaker 7: against Taiwan, and if that does happen, then that will
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Speaker 7: be an enormous question for Australia and it's not something
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Speaker 7: we can possibly sit out because of course it will
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Speaker 7: affect our entire region and we'll be hosting US troops
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Speaker 7: in the United States, will be dragged into that conflict.
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Speaker 7: Whether or not it decides to go directly into a
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Speaker 7: conflict with China, the question is are we ready for that,
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Speaker 7: and clearly we aren't at the moment, and you're dead right.
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Speaker 7: It's because we've been underspending on defense for a very
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Speaker 7: long period of time. There's been a lot of focus
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Speaker 7: recently on the US calling on us to spend much
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Speaker 7: more on defense. Well, we don't need to spend more
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Speaker 7: on defense because the US is telling us to do that.
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Speaker 7: We needed to spend more on defense because we find
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Speaker 7: ourselves in a circumstance where that's what we need to
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Speaker 7: do to defend ourselves as a country. And particularly if,
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Speaker 7: as the government seems to think through some of its pronouncements,
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Speaker 7: that we are less certain about our relationship with the
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Speaker 7: United States. So we're trying to thread a needle at
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Speaker 7: the moment, and that needle involves trying to work with
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Speaker 7: a major trading partner who is the key threat in
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Speaker 7: this circumstance, and a less predictable United States. So for
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Speaker 7: Australia's own purposes, yes, we need to be spending more
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Speaker 7: on defense. Have we spent enough? No, we'll be ready
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Speaker 7: soon enough. Well, we can only hope for the best,
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Speaker 7: but hope business strategy.
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Speaker 1: Well, one of the gender items for your cabinet is
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Speaker 1: obviously going to be ucas. I note that the British
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Speaker 1: Secretary John Healey was asked about AUCUS in Darwin yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say about it.
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Speaker 6: I have no concerns at all the commitment of the
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Speaker 6: US to this three nation ORCUS partnership. There is strong
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Speaker 6: I think we'll come out this where a stronger sense
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Speaker 6: of partnership three nations.
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Speaker 1: And I guess, Chris, the people around the table that
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Speaker 1: you talk about would largely be supporters of ORCUS. I mean,
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Speaker 1: but the cabinet would have to sit and have concerns
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Speaker 1: about what Donald Trump's going to do.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely and what we're looking at mostly in August, and
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Speaker 7: there are different tracks to it. Of course, is a
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Speaker 7: big bet on submarines, which don't come for a very
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Speaker 7: long period of time. We might well find ourselves in
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Speaker 7: conflict long before that. In the United States is reviewing
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Speaker 7: it at the moment, which you would expect an incoming
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Speaker 7: administration would do. But the real concern that.
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Speaker 2: They've got is if they actually.
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Speaker 7: Compromise their own defense by giving us some of these
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Speaker 7: Virginia class submarines and then we turn around it when
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Speaker 7: we say we're not going to use them in a
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Speaker 7: conflict that it's involved in, and that it raises questions
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Speaker 7: for the United States. So I think there are hard
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Speaker 7: questions to be asked about August and whether or not
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Speaker 7: that is distorting the defense spending that we have at
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Speaker 7: the moment with so much emphasis being put on submarines.
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Speaker 12: We'll have to address that.
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Speaker 2: Quickly.
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Speaker 1: Want to ask you you did that wonderful documentary on
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Speaker 1: net zero made a lot of people sit up and
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Speaker 1: rethink where.
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Speaker 2: Australia is headed.
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Speaker 1: That's now at the forefront of an issue for the coalition.
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Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce's bill is going to go before the Parliament
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Speaker 1: tomorrow to get debated do you think the Coalition are
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Speaker 1: going to be brave enough to scrap the ambition to
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Speaker 1: get to net zero that they signed up to.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think they're going to tear themselves apart in
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Speaker 7: the process, because, of course you have the liberal party
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Speaker 7: parts of it desperately worried about winning back in the
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Speaker 7: city seats, where net zero is essentially one of those
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Speaker 7: things that you say to show that you're concerned about
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Speaker 7: climate change, whether or not it's actually happening. And let
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Speaker 7: me be clear about this, the world is not doing
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Speaker 7: net zero. Carbon emissions go up every single year. The
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Speaker 7: world last year burn more oil, coal and gas than
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Speaker 7: it ever has before in its history, and that's a
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Speaker 7: pattern that's not about to change. So, no matter what
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Speaker 7: people might say, the world is not doing net zero.
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Speaker 7: It's not serious about net zero, and nothing will actually
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Speaker 7: happen without China. My concern about the Coalition is that
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Speaker 7: it needs to get its own act together and focus
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Speaker 7: its guns on the government. So it needs to find
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Speaker 7: some kind of internal settlement where it actually is asking
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Speaker 7: the hard questions about what the government is actually doing
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Speaker 7: about the effect that that's having on your electricity bill.
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Speaker 7: You want some modeling on what's happening with our electricity system.
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Speaker 7: Look at your bill. That's the only modeling you need.
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Speaker 7: It's going to get way worse from here. What we
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Speaker 7: are doing will have an uncountable cost, and that cost
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Speaker 7: will fall very hard on consumers and particularly the poorest
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Speaker 7: of all. So I think that this is a project
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Speaker 7: that's doomed to failure. But I do hope that the
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Speaker 7: Coalition doesn't muck up this debate and make the debate
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Speaker 7: once again about it rather than the government.
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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Chris, Thank you very much mate.
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Speaker 1: You'll be able to see Chris's special and I urge
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Speaker 1: you to watch it two weeks from now, on the
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Speaker 1: eleventh of August at seven point thirty pm, so make
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Speaker 1: sure you look for that. The War Cabinet with Chris Yilman.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in the Victorian Shadow Treasurer member for Brighton now,
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Speaker 1: James Newbury. I wanted to talk to James tonight again
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Speaker 1: about these protests. James, thanks for your time yesterday Again
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Speaker 1: streets in Melbourne shut down. That happens every weekend. It's
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Speaker 1: been going for two years now. You've got the National
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Speaker 1: Gallery of Victoria which was forced into lockdown. You've got
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Speaker 1: these protesters presumably turning up there because of the great
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Speaker 1: donations made by John Gandela, a prominent Melbourne jew who
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Speaker 1: has donated so much money. Why won't the new police
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Speaker 1: commissioner commit to getting a permit system in place so
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Speaker 1: that if you're going to have these marches, they've got
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Speaker 1: to actually ask the police permission.
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Speaker 4: It's great question and the first question I think we
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Speaker 4: were all asking this morning. This morning when he ruled
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Speaker 4: out doing that is why we're ruling out fixing the problem.
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Speaker 4: Why was the first thing that he said today that
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Speaker 4: he didn't want new laws which would fix the problem.
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Speaker 4: I mean every state around Australia has a permit system.
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Speaker 4: New Zealand, where he came from, has a permit system.
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Speaker 4: So I really hope he doesn't rule that out because
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Speaker 4: I think it will fix the problem.
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Speaker 2: And when you look around other.
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Speaker 4: States, other states actually say to these people, and you know,
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Speaker 4: people have a right to protest, but we know that
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Speaker 4: some of these people are behaving and let's be frank,
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Speaker 4: like animals, they need to be called out. And in
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Speaker 4: other states some of them being proposed with fines where
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Speaker 4: they commit damage they get fine for it. We can't
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Speaker 4: keep talking about acting and then saying, you know what,
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Speaker 4: we're not going to change the law. You know what,
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Speaker 4: we don't want to do anything about it. Well, I've
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Speaker 4: had a gutfull. I think that Victorians have had a gutful.
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Speaker 4: So let's actually get on and do something.
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Speaker 1: I think you and I both know that poor Mike
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Speaker 1: Bush has probably been told by Premier to Cinder Allen
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Speaker 1: or a police minister, don't bother asking us for a
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Speaker 1: permit system.
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Speaker 2: We won't give you one.
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Speaker 1: And since he made that comment this morning on Radio James,
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Speaker 1: the Premier of New South Wales, Christopher Mins, has told
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Speaker 1: the Palestinian protesters who are intending to march across the
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Speaker 1: Sydney Harbor Bridge on Sunday, you're not doing that. You're
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Speaker 1: not going to get on the bridge. You're not going
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Speaker 1: to be able to do that. You're going to have
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Speaker 1: to find an alternative route if you want to protest.
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Speaker 1: We're not shutting down the Harbor Bridge. Contrast the two
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Speaker 1: different states and how they deal with this.
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Speaker 4: Steve, I watched the footage of what happened at Toll
19:45
Speaker 4: today and it's shocking. It actually reminded me of the
19:49
Speaker 4: seven October terrorist footage.
19:52
Speaker 2: I mean This is happening in.
19:53
Speaker 4: Our streets every single day. You know, I'm a proud
19:56
Speaker 4: Melbournie and a proud Victorian and I've had a gut
19:59
Speaker 4: full and I know that the Premier is not standing
20:02
Speaker 4: up and saying shall stop it. And now the new Commissioner,
20:04
Speaker 4: I'm not having a go it's his first day in
20:06
Speaker 4: the job, said we're not going to change the laws.
20:08
Speaker 4: We don't want to change the laws. Well, who's going
20:10
Speaker 4: to do something? We're sick of people behaving like this.
20:14
Speaker 4: We want to take our city back. We want the
20:17
Speaker 4: laws to protect good people who go out lean people
20:20
Speaker 4: with their families don't want to go into the city anymore.
20:22
Speaker 2: Business is a screaming for action. Why is no one acting?
20:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that toll vision we just showed it there then,
20:31
Speaker 1: I mean, what's next? Where are they going to attack next?
20:35
Speaker 1: They've already attacked you know, universities, this stuff. It's Michael
20:39
Speaker 1: Kraeger said to me last week that he thinks Victoria
20:41
Speaker 1: is now a lawless state.
20:43
Speaker 2: I reckon he's right.
20:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, in Bayside we know it's lawless. I mean
20:49
Speaker 4: aggravated burglaries are the most in inner Melbourne.
20:52
Speaker 2: I mean it's absolutely lawless.
20:54
Speaker 4: The question I'd ask is why aren't the laws being fixed?
20:58
Speaker 4: Do you know one protest? The Premier even months ago,
21:00
Speaker 4: said she'd bring in laws to stop people hiding their
21:04
Speaker 4: faces in these protests. Have we seen those laws? No?
21:07
Speaker 4: And again I'm not having a go at the commissioner,
21:09
Speaker 4: but why would we rule out enhancing the laws on
21:13
Speaker 4: day one? Why wouldn't we work out how we can
21:16
Speaker 4: fix it? Because this small number of people my view,
21:19
Speaker 4: and I know it's harsh. They're behaving like animals. I've
21:22
Speaker 4: had a gutful. I think normal people have had a gutfull.
21:24
Speaker 4: So let's do something about it.
21:28
Speaker 1: Just before you go, James, how the hell does the
21:31
Speaker 1: state government spend three hundred and eighty two million dollars
21:33
Speaker 1: on a secret treaty negotiation with Indigenous Victorians? Three hundred
21:38
Speaker 1: and eighty two million dollars on what?
21:42
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what South Australia spent four four
21:46
Speaker 4: versus four hundred. Now, I'll tell you Victoria spent four
21:50
Speaker 4: hundred before we've even got to a treaty. So what
21:53
Speaker 4: have they spent the four hundred million on four hundred
21:56
Speaker 4: without doing the treaty? I mean that's why we're opposed
21:59
Speaker 4: to it as a coalition. What the government we know
22:03
Speaker 4: will now do is spend billions of dollars on a
22:06
Speaker 4: treaty If they're spending four hundred on the ADMIN beforehand.
22:10
Speaker 4: We know it's going to be a multi billion dollar process.
22:13
Speaker 4: And that's why the government's hiding the figures in terms
22:15
Speaker 4: of the bigger treaty, because we know it's going to
22:18
Speaker 4: be a multi billion dollar thing. It's wrong.
22:21
Speaker 2: We're opposed to it.
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Speaker 4: We've said it loudly and clearly, and frankly just sin
22:26
Speaker 4: to Alan owns this one and she's wrong.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. James Newbury, thank you very much for that.
22:32
Speaker 1: I will go back to that treaty issue with my
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Speaker 1: panel later in the program. Now after the break, coalition,
22:38
Speaker 1: as we've mentioned, is under increasing pressure on this net
22:40
Speaker 1: zero question. What is going to happen to our regions
22:44
Speaker 1: if we don't do something about net zero plus? Is
22:47
Speaker 1: the Welcome to country about to become another flashpoint? But
22:51
Speaker 1: guess who Coalition.
22:56
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Steve ho I sind for Peter.
22:58
Speaker 1: Kreedlin on this Monday night, joining me now on my
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Speaker 1: panel for the night. Deputy Executive director at the Institute
23:03
Speaker 1: of Public Affairs Daniel Wild and LNP senator from Queensland,
23:08
Speaker 1: Senator James McGrath. Welcome to you both. Daniel, and I
23:11
Speaker 1: talk to Chris Hillman about half an hour ago about
23:14
Speaker 1: the politics surrounding net zero. I understand that you've been
23:18
Speaker 1: doing here in Canberra for that vote, which will probably
23:21
Speaker 1: come around tomorrow. I know the IPO has been doing
23:24
Speaker 1: a lot of research out in the regions in the bush.
23:26
Speaker 1: I mentioned to James on Friday last week that I've
23:29
Speaker 1: been out in central Victoria and seen the Golden Planes
23:33
Speaker 1: wind farm, which absolutely horrified me when I saw the
23:36
Speaker 1: impact on that region. What are the regions telling you
23:39
Speaker 1: about what they think might be coming down the pipe
23:43
Speaker 1: if we keep going along with this nonsense.
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Speaker 11: Well, regional communities are being devastated by net zero. I
23:49
Speaker 11: mean you've sort of seen it up front, Steve, and
23:52
Speaker 11: I think everybody that sees what's happening has the same
23:54
Speaker 11: reaction as you do, which is you're horrified by it.
23:56
Speaker 11: I mean not only is it ruining the landscape, but
24:00
Speaker 11: in communities. I mean it's literally pitting neighbor against neighbor.
24:03
Speaker 11: And as you mentioned, I was here in Canberra today
24:05
Speaker 11: talking to a lot of the people from the regions
24:08
Speaker 11: that came for the vote today and for Barnaby Joyce's
24:10
Speaker 11: Private member's bill. And you know the reason why that's
24:13
Speaker 11: so important is there's now actually finally a debate on
24:16
Speaker 11: this topic. I mean, about four years on since Scott
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Speaker 11: Morrison and Josh Fredenberg shamelessly signed our country up to
24:22
Speaker 11: net zero. There was no costings, there was no debate.
24:25
Speaker 11: People in the regions were not told this is going
24:27
Speaker 11: to be done to them. So finally we're having debate
24:30
Speaker 11: on this issue. I mean, the reality is that net
24:32
Speaker 11: zero is simply a nation destroying policy, whether it's the regions,
24:36
Speaker 11: whether it's our energy bills, whether it's the social division
24:39
Speaker 11: that it's causing. So I already hope the impetus here
24:43
Speaker 11: in Canberra today is that there'll be more debate on
24:45
Speaker 11: this and that finally the Coalition will dump this disastrous policy.
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Speaker 1: Senator are generally supportive of at least the debate being
24:56
Speaker 1: re engaged with and the party to look at at
25:00
Speaker 1: it under the stewardship of a couple of senior members.
25:03
Speaker 1: But do you largely support what we're talking about here
25:07
Speaker 1: that we really need to question this again?
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Speaker 9: I think having a debate is a good thing, so
25:14
Speaker 9: I agree with Daniel on that, and I think as
25:17
Speaker 9: a coalition, as Liverpol and the National Party, we should
25:20
Speaker 9: be able to disagree with each other and agreed to disagree.
25:25
Speaker 9: So I think this is a good thing. I don't
25:27
Speaker 9: think people should be surprised or shocked by, you know,
25:30
Speaker 9: the press gallery here. You've been running around on steroids
25:33
Speaker 9: today going oh, it's terrible. There's a debate going on
25:36
Speaker 9: in the coalition. So what That's a good thing. And
25:40
Speaker 9: the process that Susan and David have said up under
25:43
Speaker 9: Matt Canavan and Dan Tean but is a good one
25:47
Speaker 9: to make sure that both parties get to whatever agreement's
25:50
Speaker 9: going to be, remembering that there are different views, strongly
25:53
Speaker 9: held views on both sides. We'll get to a landing
25:57
Speaker 9: sooner rather than later. Because I want to put the focus,
25:59
Speaker 9: ass Ywman said earlier. I want the focus to be
26:01
Speaker 9: back on Chris Bowen and back on Labor and all
26:04
Speaker 9: the damage they're doing to this country, rather than us
26:06
Speaker 9: talking about ourselves. But let's put the focus on Labor
26:10
Speaker 9: and their allies, the Greens.
26:14
Speaker 1: You're a senator for a huge state and a minerally
26:17
Speaker 1: rich state. What a Queensland is telling you about and
26:22
Speaker 1: I call Chris Bowen the mad Uncle, but about this
26:24
Speaker 1: rush down this road to what many people think could
26:28
Speaker 1: be ruination where we used to have the cheapest power
26:31
Speaker 1: in the world and now our power bids are going
26:33
Speaker 1: through the roof.
26:34
Speaker 2: What a Queensland is telling.
26:36
Speaker 9: You, Well, Queensland's very proudly a cold state and we
26:42
Speaker 9: want to make sure that our coal is used to
26:45
Speaker 9: power our electricity stations here there in Queensland on camera now,
26:49
Speaker 9: but also that our coal can be exported overseas as
26:53
Speaker 9: an export earner for my state and for the country.
26:56
Speaker 9: And speaking of someone who lives in regional Queensland, our
27:00
Speaker 9: Darling Downs, I can tell you that these worthless renewables
27:04
Speaker 9: are not popular with locals. And you look at what
27:07
Speaker 9: the state government under David chrus of Folly and Jared
27:09
Speaker 9: Blay have done in relation to calling in and making
27:12
Speaker 9: sure that some of these large projects actually not proceeding,
27:15
Speaker 9: especially in central Queensland. Is a good thing. If we've
27:18
Speaker 9: got cole underground, we should be using it to power
27:22
Speaker 9: our homes and our businesses.
27:26
Speaker 2: Daniel Ly.
27:27
Speaker 1: The other debate that's now well and truly underway, involving
27:32
Speaker 1: Senator Pauline Hansen, is this query about welcome to Country.
27:36
Speaker 1: I think we're probably going to all be in fairly
27:41
Speaker 1: in green with each other very vigorously. It's too much.
27:46
Speaker 1: I don't mind to welcome to country where appropriate, but
27:49
Speaker 1: it's just become ridiculous where you're having it at an
27:52
Speaker 1: office meeting or you know, we've got to somehow rain
27:56
Speaker 1: this in. And even Indigenous Australians are saying that it's
28:00
Speaker 1: lost any of its value.
28:04
Speaker 11: Well, I mean that's right. I couldn't agree with you anymore,
28:07
Speaker 11: Steve on that. And we did some polling on this
28:09
Speaker 11: recently and it showed even just one third of Australians
28:11
Speaker 11: thicket should even be done at major events like sporting events.
28:14
Speaker 11: So even that's losing its sort of appeal that it has.
28:18
Speaker 11: And the problem here is that it's divisive and also
28:20
Speaker 11: become very aggressive. I mean, the last time, when was
28:23
Speaker 11: the last time you feel felt welcomed by Welcome the Country.
28:26
Speaker 11: I don't feel welcomed by it. It's an activist tool
28:30
Speaker 11: to make us ashamed of our country and to demean
28:33
Speaker 11: and demoralize us as a nation. Australians do not want it.
28:37
Speaker 11: It's gone too far. Sixty percent of US voted no
28:41
Speaker 11: to racial division with the Voice to Parliament. Yet many
28:44
Speaker 11: of these practices, whether they're welcomed the country or acknowledgment
28:46
Speaker 11: of countries, are more ubiquitous than ever. Every time a
28:49
Speaker 11: plane lands, every sporting match you go to, almost every
28:53
Speaker 11: single school assembly, every single board meeting has these meaningless
28:57
Speaker 11: gestures that are meant for these inner city types that
28:59
Speaker 11: feel good about themselves. Of course, it does nothing for
29:02
Speaker 11: the poverty that many Indigenous Australians experience in the outback.
29:06
Speaker 11: And like I say, it's become divisive, and I think
29:08
Speaker 11: it's time to get rid of it, to stop the practice,
29:10
Speaker 11: and let's unify around our shared values rather than doing
29:13
Speaker 11: things that divide US.
29:16
Speaker 1: Senator mcgarre, it seems Labor is going to push your head.
29:18
Speaker 1: Whether it's changed to superannuation for superannuation funds with over
29:22
Speaker 1: three million dollars in tax unrealized profits, which is highly unpopular.
29:28
Speaker 1: There was some research done by Wilson Asset Management saying,
29:32
Speaker 1: you know, it might cost labor some seats. I'm not
29:34
Speaker 1: quite sure about that. You're going to have to debate
29:37
Speaker 1: this in the Senate. I get a sense that the
29:40
Speaker 1: Greens are probably going to do some trading with the
29:43
Speaker 1: Labor Party over a number of issues and probably back
29:46
Speaker 1: this in the end. If that happens, then this change
29:49
Speaker 1: goes through, doesn't it.
29:52
Speaker 9: The Greens of course will end up backing this, because
29:55
Speaker 9: the Greens like higher taxes and they don't like productive Australia.
30:00
Speaker 9: But it is the Labor Party who the ones we
30:02
Speaker 9: should be really worried about because this is going to
30:05
Speaker 9: set a price and it does two things. It's first
30:08
Speaker 9: it is the taxation of unrealized gains and that should
30:11
Speaker 9: send a shiver through everyone watching the program tonight because
30:15
Speaker 9: the person in that sets in terms of what else
30:17
Speaker 9: they can come after is worry. But secondly, they're making
30:21
Speaker 9: sure that it is an indexed So this means that
30:24
Speaker 9: eventually most Australians we're talking decades down the track, will
30:28
Speaker 9: be captured by this. Most strands don't have three million
30:31
Speaker 9: dollars in their super balances, but guess what they would
30:34
Speaker 9: love to have three million dollars in their superbalances. This
30:37
Speaker 9: is an attack on aspiration. We've got a treasurer who
30:40
Speaker 9: wants to do a productivity around table in a few
30:42
Speaker 9: weeks time. What message is he sending to Australians who
30:47
Speaker 9: do engage in making this country better that businessmen and
30:51
Speaker 9: business women and the farmers who invest their money into
30:54
Speaker 9: the super funds?
30:56
Speaker 12: Well, what messages he sending you to them?
30:57
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm going to double your tax, be very very
31:01
Speaker 9: afraid Australians Labour going to come after you after they
31:04
Speaker 9: do these super accounts over.
31:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I suspect the fixes in already on that roundtable.
31:10
Speaker 1: They probably decided what they want to do. They'll just
31:13
Speaker 1: get there in there for the cameras and we're going
31:15
Speaker 1: to find out that the Australian is going to be
31:17
Speaker 1: paying more tax going into the future. Daniel James, thank
31:20
Speaker 1: you very much for your time tonight, appreciate it. Coming
31:23
Speaker 1: up after the break tonight the controversial Kumbai Our therapy,
31:27
Speaker 1: which is being proposed to deal with school bullying of
31:31
Speaker 1: youngsters plus sas veterans demand that action from the government
31:35
Speaker 1: amid the ongoing fallout from that Brereton report.
31:38
Speaker 2: That's all to come next.
31:43
Speaker 1: Welcome back, change your pace now, and the Leading Parents
31:46
Speaker 1: Group is calling for quote healing over punishment as an
31:49
Speaker 1: approach to deal with bullying in our schools. Now, we
31:53
Speaker 1: know that it's a massive issue. School bullying, particularly around
31:57
Speaker 1: the social media area, is out of control. Students that,
32:00
Speaker 1: they argue should be encouraged, and I find this very
32:03
Speaker 1: odd to become friends with those who bullied them. Now,
32:07
Speaker 1: it's no surprise that that push from the Australian Council
32:10
Speaker 1: of State School Organizations has divided parents and certainly divided experts,
32:16
Speaker 1: and it certainly made me sit up and take notice.
32:18
Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss this is child and adolescent psychologists,
32:22
Speaker 1: cleaiar Row Claire. Thank you very much for joining us.
32:25
Speaker 1: I saw some of your quotes in response to this
32:29
Speaker 1: idea that you've got to sit down and make friends
32:32
Speaker 1: with the person who's just badly bullied you. What do
32:35
Speaker 1: you make of this healing over punishment idea?
32:39
Speaker 2: Thanks Steve.
32:39
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think I was the one who coined this
32:41
Speaker 10: the Kumbaya therapy. Look, restorative justice or yeah, restorative practice
32:48
Speaker 10: they call it.
32:49
Speaker 2: It's not new.
32:49
Speaker 10: It's been around in schools for a while, and it's
32:52
Speaker 10: actually it's actually with adults in our law enforcement and
32:54
Speaker 10: judicial system as well. Look, I think it has its
32:57
Speaker 10: place when there's something to restore, right So if you've
33:01
Speaker 10: got two classmates who have been friends and they've had
33:04
Speaker 10: a falling out, you know, great, I have no issue
33:06
Speaker 10: with the teacher bringing them in, sitting them down, having
33:09
Speaker 10: a discussion. It's all about seeing each other's point of view,
33:12
Speaker 10: taking accountability. Great, but this is not a one size
33:18
Speaker 10: fits all approach. When we are talking about targeted, relentless bullying.
33:23
Speaker 10: It seems to be this silver bullet that that's all
33:26
Speaker 10: schools have, that we bring the bully in with the victim.
33:30
Speaker 10: Not once, but I have worked with families where it
33:33
Speaker 10: is repeatedly term up to term at school to sit
33:36
Speaker 10: them down and try and see each other's point of
33:39
Speaker 10: view and trying to restore some type of relationship. Now
33:44
Speaker 10: it's you know, completely inappropriate to do that at times
33:47
Speaker 10: where it is repeated bullying. And yeah, look, bullying is
33:50
Speaker 10: out of control and we need to at some point
33:53
Speaker 10: ask why. And I think we need to return to
33:57
Speaker 10: what is psychology behavioral principle one oh one, which is
34:01
Speaker 10: that humans are essentially motivated to avoid consequences. And when
34:07
Speaker 10: you have an absence of age appropriate consistent consequences to bullying,
34:15
Speaker 10: it will fester and it will just get worse so
34:18
Speaker 10: that's what we need to do. And of course no
34:21
Speaker 10: child should be forced to go through this process of
34:23
Speaker 10: sitting down with someone that has relentlessly bullied them. No
34:27
Speaker 10: forgiveness can be forced or conversations, And I actually just
34:31
Speaker 10: don't think that's a great message to kids. If they
34:33
Speaker 10: want to put in a boundary and not talk to
34:36
Speaker 10: the person that has been harassing them, good for them.
34:39
Speaker 10: I think that's a good message for them becoming adults.
34:43
Speaker 2: Well, potentially it could make it worse.
34:45
Speaker 1: I mean, if this bully has targeted someone over and
34:49
Speaker 1: over and over again, they may be of you know,
34:53
Speaker 1: larger physical stature than the person they're bullying.
34:56
Speaker 2: That's normally the case.
34:58
Speaker 1: It would be quite disturbing if the school were to
35:01
Speaker 1: say to the person who was bullied and to the
35:04
Speaker 1: parents of that child, come into the office. The bully's there.
35:07
Speaker 1: You're going to come and talk to that bully. As
35:09
Speaker 1: a parent, I'd say, no, I'm not. You get the
35:13
Speaker 1: bully under control and stop the bully doing what they
35:16
Speaker 1: are doing, or throw them out of your school. But
35:20
Speaker 1: don't make me part of the problem. I'm not the problem.
35:25
Speaker 1: You're the problem because you're not controlling this kid. His
35:28
Speaker 1: or her parents are not controlling them.
35:31
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's unbelievable. There's some type of responsibility or earnest
35:35
Speaker 10: put on the victim. And I have certainly supported families
35:38
Speaker 10: in writing letters to school and saying no, this child
35:41
Speaker 10: won't be participating in that. They don't feel comfortable, they
35:43
Speaker 10: don't want to do it, at least not until we
35:46
Speaker 10: have had a discussion and we can clearly see what
35:49
Speaker 10: the repercussions and consequences are for the bully. But this
35:52
Speaker 10: is a wider problem, Steve, with parenting, with school discipline
35:57
Speaker 10: that we have removed those you know, don't even like
36:00
Speaker 10: to word that use the word punishment anymore. But essentially,
36:04
Speaker 10: the biology of humans haven't changed, and even adults will
36:08
Speaker 10: make choices in their day to avoid negative consequences. That's
36:11
Speaker 10: why I go to work, that's why we do certain things.
36:15
Speaker 10: And so once you remove those consequences and you don't
36:18
Speaker 10: have any negative free percussions, human behavior principles will dictate
36:23
Speaker 10: that the unwanted behavior will just keep going.
36:28
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Claire, thanks for talking some common sense. I always
36:31
Speaker 1: like talking to people who talk common sense. Appreciate it
36:34
Speaker 1: very much. Clear road there. Now, it's going to be
36:36
Speaker 1: a very important event in Federal Parliament tomorrow. No, it's
36:39
Speaker 1: not in the house, not a vote. Earlier this year, Peter,
36:43
Speaker 1: as you might remember, brought you a special preview of
36:45
Speaker 1: a very important documentary which is called Bravery and Betrayal,
36:50
Speaker 1: which is giving SAS veterans and we all need to
36:53
Speaker 1: look after our veterans a chance to share their story,
36:56
Speaker 1: particularly in light of that brerit and report the fallout
36:59
Speaker 1: for and that was horrendous.
37:01
Speaker 2: Well.
37:01
Speaker 1: As I mentioned on Tuesday, that documentary will be screened
37:05
Speaker 1: for senators and MPs. Everybody's welcome at Parliament House in
37:09
Speaker 1: Canberra as part of a push from a veteran support
37:13
Speaker 1: charity organization that does great work wandering warriors, veterans and
37:17
Speaker 1: their families to bring some closure to this issue.
37:21
Speaker 2: Now here's a clip.
37:23
Speaker 1: This is part of that documentary looking at the SAS
37:26
Speaker 1: and their dog unit.
37:28
Speaker 12: Those dogs were.
37:32
Speaker 8: So important, I think on so many levels, and it's
37:36
Speaker 8: near and dear to my heart as well because they're
37:41
Speaker 8: man's best friend. And see they were out there and
37:44
Speaker 8: that there was no expectation of payment as unconditional service.
37:51
Speaker 12: Did it affect you personally when the dogs were killed?
37:54
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're the toughest ramp ceremonies I did, I think
37:58
Speaker 8: because they're just so uncle.
38:00
Speaker 1: Additional, their service beautifully shot and the SAS trooper you
38:06
Speaker 1: see in that clip there, we'll call him Horse.
38:10
Speaker 2: I do'n't mind that.
38:12
Speaker 1: How important for the police to actually come and see
38:15
Speaker 1: this documentary.
38:18
Speaker 8: Look, I believe it's very very important for the politicians
38:21
Speaker 8: to come and see this film. We made this, as
38:25
Speaker 8: you alluded, to tell our side of the story, the
38:28
Speaker 8: truth of what occurred on the ground in Afghanistan by
38:32
Speaker 8: those who were on the ground.
38:35
Speaker 12: It's become so much more than that.
38:37
Speaker 8: I've had Vietnam veterans coming up to me in tears,
38:41
Speaker 8: hugging me, saying thank you, thank you. Nobody did this
38:44
Speaker 8: for us, Nobody told our story. We've got families who
38:51
Speaker 8: like from Middle Australia coming up in tears also saying
38:54
Speaker 8: we had no idea, but no idea what you went.
38:57
Speaker 12: Through, what you did for us.
39:00
Speaker 8: It's reinvigorated national pride in these people, pride in their military,
39:05
Speaker 8: pride in their country. So it's very very important the
39:09
Speaker 8: politicians come and see this film.
39:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be about time they Sheldon schools as well.
39:14
Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned a very important word. Their pride
39:16
Speaker 1: in their military and pride in their country. I mean,
39:19
Speaker 1: that's something we have definitely lost. What's the connection here
39:24
Speaker 1: between the fallout from reret in which I mentioned and
39:29
Speaker 1: this story being told.
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Speaker 8: The connection from the fallout for Breton. So we were
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Speaker 8: getting smashed with the breat and report from largely false
39:42
Speaker 8: stories from the media from those who weren't there, and
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Speaker 8: so we felt that it was our turn to tell
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Speaker 8: outside of the story and the truth needed to be
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Speaker 8: told basically.
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Speaker 1: And the documentary itself, I've not yet had the opportunity
39:57
Speaker 1: to see it, will make sure.
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Speaker 2: I do what am I going to get out of it?
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Speaker 2: Watching it, you'll.
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Speaker 8: Get a sense of pride in your nation, pride in
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Speaker 8: your in your defense force. It reinvigorates the Anzac spirit basically,
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Speaker 8: and you get to see the truth from us and
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Speaker 8: understand the sacrifice that were made by the families who
40:25
Speaker 8: lost sons, who lost partners, who lost a father in it.
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Speaker 12: And that's pretty much what you're going to get.
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Speaker 2: Horse. You mentioned the importance of the dog unit.
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Speaker 1: I think you've got your dog there with you tonight,
40:41
Speaker 1: and you said that some of the most difficult ramp ceremonies.
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Speaker 2: He's not on you, there is having a bit of
40:47
Speaker 2: a snooze on the floor.
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Speaker 1: You said some of the most difficult ramp ceremonies involved
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Speaker 1: the passing of those animals. How important was your dog
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Speaker 1: to you when you were there and how important for
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Speaker 1: everyone else with the dog units that were there.
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Speaker 8: So what they gave us was that early warning. They
41:06
Speaker 8: used their senses to see through. It's not all jungle
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Speaker 8: a desert over there. There is quite a lot of jungle.
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Speaker 8: And with the daytime operations that we were forced to do,
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Speaker 8: having that animal out in front gave us so much
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Speaker 8: more confidence and we were able to achieve a lot
41:23
Speaker 8: more with that security out in front. And I believe
41:27
Speaker 8: we saved a lot of lives having that early warning,
41:30
Speaker 8: their senses, being able to use their nose and their
41:33
Speaker 8: ears to detect enemy before we walked into an ambush
41:38
Speaker 8: because of daylight operations. Not only that, they provide a
41:44
Speaker 8: sense of camaraderie, a morale boost to everybody because who
41:48
Speaker 8: doesn't love a dog.
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Speaker 1: So when you might be about to walk into an ambush,
41:56
Speaker 1: what would the dog actually do?
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Speaker 8: The dog would give a change in behavior and I'm
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Speaker 8: not going to go too much more into it because
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Speaker 8: I think we're going to give away some.
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Speaker 12: Tactics and secrets.
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Speaker 8: But he would give us early warning of the presence
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Speaker 8: of personnel in front of us and sometimes alert us
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Speaker 8: to explosives as well.
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Speaker 2: And then also imagine if you go on as appropriate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine if you go into the Wandering Warriors
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Speaker 1: website you'll be able to work out how you can
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Speaker 1: watch that documentary.
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Speaker 2: Is that right?
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, The screenings are posted on the website. In fact,
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Speaker 8: we're about to wind up our first rotation of tours.
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Speaker 8: We've had over sixty cinemas sold out, which succeeded all
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Speaker 8: of our expectations. We thought we'll start with five and
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Speaker 8: see how we go. So it's escalated and we are
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Speaker 8: going to start a two point zero tour in September
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Speaker 8: through Novem up and down the East coast of Australia.
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Speaker 8: So get on a Wondering Warrior's website and we'll see
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Speaker 8: you out there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd like to see it in a cinema rather
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Speaker 1: than motul on a laptop. Course, thank you very much
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Speaker 1: for your time, and of course thank you very much
43:15
Speaker 1: for the service that you've provided to your country. Now
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Speaker 1: coming up after the break off be johined by the
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Speaker 1: Liberal senator who was calling for changes to Labour's student
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Speaker 1: debt discount bill. Sarah Henderson will join me after this
43:32
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Price with you. Jones McPherson coming up
43:34
Speaker 1: filling in for Andrew Bolt after the News Top of
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Speaker 1: the Hour there. Now, I think one of the big
43:40
Speaker 1: vote winners in the last election campaign was clearly this
43:42
Speaker 1: plan by Labor to discount student debt for every student
43:47
Speaker 1: who's been through a university by twenty percent. I think
43:50
Speaker 1: it was a huge vote winner actually, and the Labor
43:53
Speaker 1: Party was basically using the money of Australian taxpayers to
43:57
Speaker 1: retire that debt. I mean it's not their money, of course,
44:00
Speaker 1: I understand how people who had no children have gone
44:03
Speaker 1: through university would.
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Speaker 2: Feel a little robbed by that.
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Speaker 1: Now, Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson wade into this argument before
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Speaker 1: the election, came up with an alternative idea of her own.
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Speaker 1: She's now pushing for Labor to embrace the idea that
44:19
Speaker 1: she had, which was to not or to index student debt,
44:24
Speaker 1: not just have a one off sugar hit. She joins
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Speaker 1: me now from Canberra. Senator Henderson great to see you again,
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Speaker 1: what's your idea?
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Speaker 3: Well, Steve, great.
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Speaker 7: To join you.
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Speaker 3: And after three or so years of three million Australians
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Speaker 3: suffering huge increases in student debt, this is all about
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Speaker 3: capping indexation, so lowering student debt meaning that Australians will
44:50
Speaker 3: pay the lower amount of either CPI or three percent.
44:54
Speaker 3: So we've seen this wild ride as Steve of students
44:58
Speaker 3: paying incredib high numbers the debt going through the roof
45:05
Speaker 3: under labor because of their high inflation. And frankly, Australians
45:09
Speaker 3: should not have to pay the price anyone with a
45:11
Speaker 3: student debt for Labour's mismanagement of inflation and of the economy.
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Speaker 3: So this is about capping indexation. At the moment, indexation
45:20
Speaker 3: is uncapped. Sure there was a change in the indexation formula,
45:24
Speaker 3: but it's still uncapped, exposing some three million people with
45:28
Speaker 3: a student debt to further risk of indexation ballooning. So
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Speaker 3: I'm really hoping that both my coalition colleagues, I'm fighting
45:38
Speaker 3: very hard for common sense Steve to lower student debt.
45:41
Speaker 3: I'm hoping my coalition colleagues and also the Parliament will
45:44
Speaker 3: embrace this amendment to Labour's student debt discount.
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Speaker 2: Bill, Well, we love common sense here.
45:52
Speaker 1: You know that, Sarah, Do you have the support of
45:56
Speaker 1: your colleagues.
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Speaker 3: Look, I certainly have had very positive discussions, including with
46:02
Speaker 3: the new Shutter Minister John o'donnnean. This is still to
46:06
Speaker 3: go through our ordinary party room processes, which will happen tomorrow,
46:10
Speaker 3: so I'm hoping and trusting that this will get through
46:15
Speaker 3: as an amendment because what this means is that young
46:19
Speaker 3: Australians will have the certainty into the future. This student
46:23
Speaker 3: discount only applies to students currently at university, so anyone
46:27
Speaker 3: starting semester two this year or going forward will get
46:30
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing out of this discount. There'll be absolutely no discount.
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Speaker 3: So this provides certainty into the future and it's fair
46:39
Speaker 3: for anyone taking on a hex's debt.
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Speaker 1: Well as the father of two daughters who have crippling
46:47
Speaker 1: hex's debts, I mean you'd agree with me. I would
46:51
Speaker 1: suggest that it was a pretty clever policy by Labor
46:55
Speaker 1: to attract younger voters at that election and probably contributed
46:59
Speaker 1: to that thumping victory.
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Speaker 3: Well, the reason they implemented that policy, Steve, was because
47:07
Speaker 3: student debts skyrocketed under Labor because of their mismanagement of
47:12
Speaker 3: inflation and the economy. So when inflation goes through the roof,
47:15
Speaker 3: so to student debt, and so what we're saying is
47:18
Speaker 3: we will back ourselves as strong economic managers, keeping of
47:23
Speaker 3: course inflation within the RBA band of two to three percent.
47:27
Speaker 3: And so Labor really with students suffering fourteen point three
47:32
Speaker 3: percent increase in student debt, I think they were just
47:35
Speaker 3: scrambling for something to do because with you know, young
47:38
Speaker 3: people suffering from paying the rental or trying to pay
47:43
Speaker 3: for enough food on the table. So many Australians and
47:47
Speaker 3: young Australians were suffering. And yes it did resonate. But
47:51
Speaker 3: what I'm putting forward is a permanent cap on indexation
47:56
Speaker 3: which will give all students certainty right now and into
47:59
Speaker 3: the few.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's an outstanding idea and I hope
48:05
Speaker 1: that the Coalition actually adopt it because it makes absolute,
48:08
Speaker 1: as we said, common sense to me, Senator Henderson, thank
48:12
Speaker 1: you very much for your time tonight. That would make
48:14
Speaker 1: sense when you think about it, because the Labor Plan
48:17
Speaker 1: was a one off sugar hit, I mean welcome as
48:19
Speaker 1: it was particularly to parents who were trying to help
48:22
Speaker 1: their children out with their student debt, but you know,
48:25
Speaker 1: will Labor introduce it?
48:27
Speaker 2: Who knows?
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Speaker 1: Andrew bolts away on leave. James McPherson is up next.