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The Late Debate | 6 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the late Plase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 3: I'm lebond with Danika de Georgio and Joe Hilda brand
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  Speaker 3: hell a evening.
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  Speaker 2: Oh good.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks went out for breakfast yesterday which was quite.
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  Speaker 5: Nice, Li Gal. It's cold at the moment, isn't it not?
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  Speaker 1: In the hearth of my household. I had my fiftieth
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  Speaker 1: birthday bash. Be pleased to know the hungover. The hangover
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  Speaker 1: has just faded in time for me to start.
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  Speaker 3: This shows that though I haven't got a hangover, because
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  Speaker 3: I didn't get invited for me.
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  Speaker 1: I only invited people I hate. Oh well, all people
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  Speaker 1: are dear to me. They're all edis the Big five?
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  Speaker 1: O Joe, the Big Five? And I am feeling it,
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you. But I've still got the mental
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  Speaker 1: age of sixteen.
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  Speaker 5: Are you feeling it?
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  Speaker 2: Because you're up here at ten pm? He's what's coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight?
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 3: In Australia we have the net Natty Safety Commissioner trying
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  Speaker 3: to ban videos from the Internet. But in the UK
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  Speaker 3: the government now wants to take control of social media
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  Speaker 3: algorithms to boost the BBC's content.
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  Speaker 2: More on that soon.
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  Speaker 3: One Nation says translators should be taken away from government
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  Speaker 3: services because it discourages migrants from speaking or learning English.
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  Speaker 3: Is it fair enough or too far? And also in
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  Speaker 3: the papers tomorrow on the front of the Gold Coast Bulletin,
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  Speaker 3: and it's hard enough but difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Enough having to pay for parking?
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  Speaker 3: Is it fair that you are expected to pay extra
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  Speaker 3: if you pay on the app. We'll discuss that when
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  Speaker 3: we look at tomorrow's front pages. But first back here
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  Speaker 3: at home, though with a little US flavor, the Australian
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  Speaker 3: tech giant Atlassian has been forced to re employ a
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  Speaker 3: woman who it's sacked because she insulted its boss, Mike
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  Speaker 3: cannon Brooks, who is of course also a great friend
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  Speaker 3: of the Teals.
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  Speaker 2: Now this goes all the way back to.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three, when Mike cannon Brooks was going to
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  Speaker 3: sack about five hundred of his staff. So he logged
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  Speaker 3: onto a meeting which was like a town hall Q
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  Speaker 3: and a session where everyone, all the staff could ask
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  Speaker 3: the questions that they had about all these retrenchments, as
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  Speaker 3: I say, five hundred odd people. And during this meeting
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  Speaker 3: he got rather testy, mister cannon Brooks and said to
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  Speaker 3: his staff this is a good change.
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  Speaker 2: All right, If you want a knack, go somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it, he said, I've absolutely had a gut
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  Speaker 3: full of people who.
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  Speaker 2: Don't trust in leadership.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that trust should be blind, but seriously,
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  Speaker 3: stop it. If Rajive, that's one of his bosses, says
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  Speaker 3: it's a small number, five hundred, as I said it's
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  Speaker 3: a small number, I'm saying, we've done a shit ton
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  Speaker 3: of work to make this change happen, and it's a
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  Speaker 3: good change.
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  Speaker 2: It's good for our culture.
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  Speaker 3: Now, he was clearly quite upset at the fact that
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  Speaker 3: the staff were not too happy that five hundred of
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  Speaker 3: their comrades were being sacked and peppering him with questions,
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  Speaker 3: even though he had a Q and a session for
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  Speaker 3: them to ask these questions. Also, even though if you
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  Speaker 3: go on the Atlassian website and click on the careers bit,
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  Speaker 3: one of the first things it tells you is that
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  Speaker 3: at Lassian is an open company.
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  Speaker 2: No bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: So one of the staff decided that she would test
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  Speaker 3: the parameters of this because she went into a work
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  Speaker 3: group chat and said, in this group chat, what's up outrageous,
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  Speaker 3: that's the name of the group. Just dialing in from
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  Speaker 3: my NBA's team's headquarters to yell at the people whose
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  Speaker 3: careers I've pummeled. Now, that was a reference to the
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  Speaker 3: fact that Mike cannon Brooks is a cohen of Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 3: They are a basketball team in the US, and in
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  Speaker 3: this meeting, he dialed in from the boardroom of the
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  Speaker 3: basketball team that he co owned. So she took some
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  Speaker 3: chagrin to that, and so the company then sacktor. They
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  Speaker 3: said it constructed a satirical persona of a company founder
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  Speaker 3: to mock him personally and accuse him of deliberately harming careers.
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  Speaker 3: Her comment was nothing more than per ridicule of an
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  Speaker 3: executive's private life. So this company says it's an open company,
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  Speaker 3: no BS, you can ask whatever questions you want. Then
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  Speaker 3: sactor Well, the US National Labor Relations Board, because this
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  Speaker 3: woman was working for them in the US, has now
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  Speaker 3: stated that she was wrongly dismissed, that what she said
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  Speaker 3: in that group chat was protected, and that she now
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  Speaker 3: needs to be reinstated.
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  Speaker 2: I think fair enough.
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  Speaker 3: If you're going to say you're an open company, no BS,
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  Speaker 3: you shouldn't be complaining too hard when the staff asked
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  Speaker 3: you the questions that you've allowed them.
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  Speaker 2: To ask you.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's all a bit precious, isn't it. It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't like she swore at someone or really had to
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  Speaker 3: go at anyone. She made a stupid, offhanded commut.
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  Speaker 2: In a group chat.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that deserves to be sackedful.
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  Speaker 4: I disagree she openly mocked her boss in a group chat.
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  Speaker 4: What is it with people who bitch and gossip about
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  Speaker 4: their own bosses on a company forum? For goodness sake,
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  Speaker 4: If you have got a problem with the way that
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  Speaker 4: your company operates, if you've got a problem with your employer,
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  Speaker 4: muster up the courage, pull them aside and have a
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  Speaker 4: one on one discussion. There is nothing that I detest
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  Speaker 4: more than people who I'm complaining because I don't like this.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like that they put it all on an
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  Speaker 4: open forum within the company. Well, of course you're going
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  Speaker 4: to get found out now. I'm sorry, but it's inappropriate
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  Speaker 4: behavior in the workplace. I just I don't understand why
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  Speaker 4: people don't take their own grievances offline, take it offline
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  Speaker 4: and do it the professional way.
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  Speaker 1: But has she actually done anything that bad? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: apart from the sheer stupidity of having a crack at
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  Speaker 1: the boss on a trap group, on a platform that
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  Speaker 1: is owned by your boss, who just happens to be
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  Speaker 1: a tech guru who presumably would know how to tap
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  Speaker 1: into his own company software and hardware. But aside from that, like,
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  Speaker 1: all she did was just It's just a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a joke, isn't it. Like she's just say saying, oh, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, have you really never you've never bitched and
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  Speaker 1: moan or griped about your boss?
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  Speaker 4: I would, I would never ever on a company for him,
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  Speaker 4: like and I don't consider myself the sharpest tool in
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  Speaker 4: the shed, but by no means, but I'm not that dumb.
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  Speaker 4: And the other thing is to get it's said here
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  Speaker 4: that she had previously been coached but not disciplined for
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  Speaker 4: other matters. I don't know what a coach would mean.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe that stave pulled her aside, had.
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  Speaker 2: Not fifty push.
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  Speaker 4: Ups, maybe a fifty push Look, I'm not a fan
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  Speaker 4: of Mike Caton Brooks. By no mean I think he
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  Speaker 4: is definitely very precious. I think he's an absolute hypocreip
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to his climate change agenda. So quite frankly,
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  Speaker 4: I don't care about at Lassian. But I just think
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  Speaker 4: by way of principle, I don't think it is appropriate
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  Speaker 4: to be bitching about your boss or your colleagues for
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  Speaker 4: that matter, on your your work forum.
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  Speaker 2: It's a come happens for them, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's logged on from the boardroom
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  Speaker 3: of his basketball team to sack five hundred people. They've
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  Speaker 3: been bristled about it, understandably, He's then upset to be
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  Speaker 3: bristled about it, and now he's up shack first and
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  Speaker 3: now and then he's upset that they dared to mention
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  Speaker 3: that he did it from the boardroom.
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  Speaker 2: Of a basketball team. Like what sort of a glass
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  Speaker 2: jaw does this bloke have?
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  Speaker 3: That that's what he's getting that upset about that he's
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  Speaker 3: going to sack someone for it.
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  Speaker 1: I spose you think, hey, it's my company. I can
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  Speaker 1: hire whoever I want. Why should I have someone who
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  Speaker 1: hates me or takes the piss out of me working
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  Speaker 1: for me and whose salary I'm paying? But I just
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  Speaker 1: the other thing is that the company said that she
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  Speaker 1: had quote unquote engaged in acrimonious communications and add hominem
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  Speaker 1: attacks against teammates and colleagues. Do we know who any
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  Speaker 1: of the others are.
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  Speaker 4: No, No, but I feel we're missing some details.
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  Speaker 1: If you just if you're going to say, hey, you
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  Speaker 1: work for me, and I'm not going to cop that
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  Speaker 1: fair enough. I met Mike cannon Brooks once, and he
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  Speaker 1: seems like a pretty you know, I'm not straight guy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you could say, hey, you know, don't. But
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  Speaker 1: to pretend that this sort of it's violated this otherwise
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  Speaker 1: healthy and blossoming culture of freedom, that's what kind of
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  Speaker 1: gets me. And also, you know, when the court documents
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  Speaker 1: he quoted before it constructed a satirical persona of a
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  Speaker 1: company founded to mock him personally and accuse him of
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  Speaker 1: deliberately harming careers. Her comment was nothing more than personal
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  Speaker 1: riddleicule of an executive's private life. No, it wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: it just wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: I think she did mock him.
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  Speaker 1: How was her saying, yeah, she mocked him, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: was she mocking him personally? I feel like he mocked
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  Speaker 1: someone personally.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like it was a personal attack.
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  Speaker 1: And accused him of deliberately harming careers. Her comment was
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  Speaker 1: nothing more than personal riddle cule of an executive's private life,
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  Speaker 1: Like ridicule him because he was calling in from the
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  Speaker 1: boardroom of his basketball team. I mean, I just think
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  Speaker 1: trying to.
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  Speaker 3: Deal sat five hundred people suit that's right, But I.
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  Speaker 1: Would I would respect it more and say, listen, this
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  Speaker 1: is you know. Indeed, with some of the comments that
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  Speaker 1: were saying in the group chat, said, look, this is
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  Speaker 1: my company. I started it, I run it, and if
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  Speaker 1: you don't like it, or you don't like me, then
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  Speaker 1: get out and find another job, because I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to pay your salary. But to sort of pretend that
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  Speaker 1: it's part of you know, that he's been so gravely assaulted,
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  Speaker 1: or that it's part of her having a go at
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  Speaker 1: other nameless acrimonious at hominin attacks. It's nameless teammates and colleagues.
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  Speaker 1: That's just where we go.
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  Speaker 5: This is Look.
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  Speaker 4: I think the moral of the story is, don't use
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  Speaker 4: your company the in company systems for your own personal attacks.
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  Speaker 4: Take it, take your own private matters in private. Do
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  Speaker 4: not use the company computers.
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  Speaker 1: Now, also hook me up on the sky News substack
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  Speaker 1: where it's Comrade Joe fight the Revolution.
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  Speaker 4: Noted noted, Okay, we're going to put that on from
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  Speaker 4: next time you and I messaged with message on teams.
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  Speaker 5: That's what we're going to. We're going to.
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  Speaker 1: We've got our own little WhatsApp chat.
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  Speaker 4: We do have a little WhatsApp chap. A little late
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  Speaker 4: I take it off, Yeah, a little late debate WhatsApp group.
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  Speaker 4: But whatever you do, don't tell Australia's these safeties are.
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  Speaker 4: You might want to see the contents involved in that.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Look, we spoke last week about Julie Inman Grant trying
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  Speaker 4: to censor the Internet when it came to the vision
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  Speaker 4: that was emerging out of the Bond diet massacre. But
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  Speaker 4: over in the UK, the labor government over there they
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  Speaker 4: want to go one step further. They actually want to
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  Speaker 4: tamper with algorithms on certain social media sites like YouTube
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  Speaker 4: or TikTok. So this proposal would see broadcasters like the BBC,
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  Speaker 4: ITV and Channel five, for example, It would mean that
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  Speaker 4: their content would be directed to you on your algorithm.
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  Speaker 4: So the way that the algorithm works now is, say,
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  Speaker 4: for instance, you log onto YouTube, it would come up
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  Speaker 4: with recommended videos for you to watch based on other
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  Speaker 4: things that you have watched. So if you're watching cooking videos,
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  Speaker 4: it's going to give you ideas of cooking videos that
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  Speaker 4: you might want. But this proposal would see these broadcasters
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  Speaker 4: pushed into your algorithm, whether or not you're interested in
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  Speaker 4: global affairs, simply because that's the demand of the UK
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  Speaker 4: Labor government. Now YouTube already warning about this. They've put
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  Speaker 4: out this It says the UK Government is running a
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  Speaker 4: public consultation called Watch This Space, a new strategic direction
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  Speaker 4: for UK media. The proposals include mandatory changes to how
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  Speaker 4: content is discovered on YouTube, and this could direct audiences
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  Speaker 4: away from your channel. It then goes on to say
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  Speaker 4: the proposed new rules include a mandatory prominence regime. This
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  Speaker 4: could require digital platforms like YouTube to prioritize and give
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  Speaker 4: privileged position to traditional broadcasters as I mentioned, and then
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  Speaker 4: also gives a warning to independent broadcasters, saying that the
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  Speaker 4: feed could move away from your channel. Your content could
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  Speaker 4: be downranked, reducing user exposure to diverse content, the threat
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  Speaker 4: to reach and channel growth, and it would undermine the
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  Speaker 4: creator audience bond. So already YouTube is issuing a warning.
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  Speaker 4: The Department of for Culture, Media and Sport has released
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  Speaker 4: this statement. It says we will require social media to
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  Speaker 4: make news content and from PSM providers, So that's public
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  Speaker 4: service media and potentially also national and local news publishers
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  Speaker 4: prominent and easily discoverable. This is crucial for countering misinformation,
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  Speaker 4: especially during times of social unrest or crisis. Now I
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of concerns over this because to me,
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  Speaker 4: this sounds like it would absolutely be a Big Brother
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  Speaker 4: style censorship regime by the Labor government to try and
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  Speaker 4: skew your algorithms so it can see so you can
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  Speaker 4: see what it wants you to see. Now, if we
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  Speaker 4: look at the BBC, for example, I wouldn't want to
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  Speaker 4: trust what they push out to me. They are highly
• 12:36
  Speaker 4: anti Israel, very pro Palestine. They run on this agenda
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  Speaker 4: of mass migration, the open border scheme.
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  Speaker 5: They're pushing an agenda, But.
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  Speaker 4: That's what you're going to be able to see in
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  Speaker 4: your feed, even if you don't engage with that level
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  Speaker 4: of content. And my concern is that Labour have started
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  Speaker 4: already with the banning of the under sixteens. They introduced
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  Speaker 4: that based off Australia's model, and now they're moving on
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  Speaker 4: to adults. And where does it and is it a
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  Speaker 4: digital idea? Is that going to be next? Because once
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  Speaker 4: the cat the cat's belt out of the bag, anything
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  Speaker 4: is possible.
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  Speaker 3: It's government control of the media. It would be no
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  Speaker 3: different to if here in Australia the Communications Minister decided
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  Speaker 3: that he wanted a part or she wanted a part
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  Speaker 3: in laying out the Daily Telegraph where you work, Joe,
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's because it's it's because an algorithm on
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  Speaker 3: a social media website is the order in which you
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  Speaker 3: have stories or content presented to you. Now, in these
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: tech companies, YouTube, TikTok, whatever, this is all done automatically,
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  Speaker 3: as Danika said, based on stuff you've already watched, and
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  Speaker 3: it shows you stuff that it thinks you will want
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  Speaker 3: to watch again or watch further. Right, in the world
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  Speaker 3: of television, you know, we make a decision about what
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  Speaker 3: order are we going to do the stories in on
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  Speaker 3: the show. So we're deciding what you see in newspapers.
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  Speaker 3: And I've been part of this, as have you, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we lay out a paper, we take all
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  Speaker 3: the stories of the day, and we go that one's
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  Speaker 3: going to go on page one, and that one's going
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  Speaker 3: to go on page three, and that goes to page five,
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  Speaker 3: and that'll be a down pager on seven and whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Right, we are making these decisions and.
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  Speaker 3: Effectively, what the government in the UK is saying it
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  Speaker 3: will do is that it will interfere in the editorial
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  Speaker 3: decisions of some providers, in this case social media companies.
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  Speaker 3: To me, that is no different to them trying to
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  Speaker 3: interfere in laying out a newspaper or a television program.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, except I've got absolutely zero sympathy for these tech
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  Speaker 1: giants claims, Oh they're trying to impose and introduce, you know, freedom,
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  Speaker 1: our freedom of speech. You know, they're trying to encroach
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  Speaker 1: on you know, what your content is going to be distributed,
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  Speaker 1: how it's going to be distributed to all. They do
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  Speaker 1: not give a rat about any of these matters of principle.
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  Speaker 1: The algorithms that they use are not They're not using
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  Speaker 1: them just for you know, the benefit of content creators
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  Speaker 1: who they pay absolutely fa money to and who struggled
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: desperately to get any money from YouTube's ad share and
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  Speaker 1: then they get a pittance if they claw up a
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  Speaker 1: certain number of followers, and so they are just saying
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  Speaker 1: absolutely anything they can or door just to get their
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  Speaker 1: follow account up. It is I mean, you see them
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  Speaker 1: begging and begging and begging. It's kind of almost sad
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  Speaker 1: because my kids sadly watch it and I have to
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  Speaker 1: listen to the idiocy of it. And so I think
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  Speaker 1: they only have themselves to blame for taking absolutely zero
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  Speaker 1: care for the crap that comes up on their platforms,
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  Speaker 1: except to first deny that they're even publishing and say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's not us publishing, We're just the platform. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we're not publishers. We shouldn't be accountable like normal news
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  Speaker 1: corporate news companies are, And that was a big fight
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  Speaker 1: that this company and others have had to have in
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  Speaker 1: recent years. They have no problems stealing all the content
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  Speaker 1: from major news organizations when it suits them and using
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  Speaker 1: that to pump it out to people to build the
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  Speaker 1: numbers on their platforms, even though they don't have a
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  Speaker 1: newsroom themselves they don't get any of those stories, and
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  Speaker 1: then try not to pay the actual people who gather
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  Speaker 1: those stories that again they use to harvest put on
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  Speaker 1: their platforms and then sell advertising too. So it is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, while ripping into the advertising revenues of the
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  Speaker 1: people who'se worked that they're stealing and monetizing. So I
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  Speaker 1: get it. I don't want and I remember, you know, Julia,
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  Speaker 1: the Guide Government tried to do, indeed, to try to
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  Speaker 1: ridiculously heavy handed media regulation, and I was very, very
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  Speaker 1: prominent in the campaign against that, so I know exactly
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  Speaker 1: what you mean, but I do not trust anything that
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: comes out of these big tech companies maws, and the
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: fact is that they have been basically set up to
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: cannibalize and destroy, to starve the conventional media outlets, which
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: you know, we all love competition, and that's fine, but
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: they want to do it without actually breaking the news,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: without doing the investigations, without revealing all the stuff that's
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: happening in government. Instead, they don't care what they push out,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: whether it's ridiculous conspiracy theories or lies or you know,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: whatever it might be.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: But YouTube in particular has become a place where people
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: watch a lot of Sky News Australia contente it''s been
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: fertile ground for a lot of traditional media companies to
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: publish their content. But my issue, and I take your
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: point that the big tech companies do also act in
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: their own interests, but I think you're conflating two different issues.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: The issue of using content without fairly paying for it
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: is one thing, but that does not then mean that
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: the government should be able to interfere in what content
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: is the in post area?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Right, that's right. I would just say if they had
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: been better corporate actors in the first place, and been
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: more honest and decent in the way they conduct their
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: own business, it might not have actually got to this.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: But look, I do not agree with some sort of
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: a bureaucright deciding what you can and what you can't see.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: In the end, you should have your own personal vice
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: to see what comes up in your algorithm, and it
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: does because I mean, you know, our YouTube channel skin
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: is Australia great YouTube channel, over six million subscribers. Please
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: do subscribe to the YouTube channel. But the algorithm can
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: really make or break a story. It can make or
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: break or video. You might put together the most well
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: crafted video on the Internet and you can put it out,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: but if the algorithm doesn't bump it up so it
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: ends up on people's recommended videos, then that video can
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: absolutely fail. And that is my concern when it comes
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: to independent and smaller YouTubers because their content's going to
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: go to buybuyers in favor of the BBC, ITV and
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: Channel five who just want to push their own agenda,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: and that is a concern.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: While we're in the UK. Try this one on for
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: size as well. He's probably not a real surprise to
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: use it it leave it anyway.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: There's been a report done.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: By the College of Policing with the support of the
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Home Office in the UK, into the culture within the
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: police force and all this business of wokeness. We've seen,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: of course, you know, some examples in the last couple
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: of months of pretty egregious things that have happened in
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the UK. Of course, the death of Henry Novak, who
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you're aware, is the young white man who
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: was stabbed and killed by an Indian man. And of
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: course the Indian man then claimed that he'd been racially abused.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: And when Henry Novak says I've been stabbed, I can't breathe,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: the police says, I say, I should say, I.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Don't think you have mate.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: And then you had after that members of the four
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: saying that you know, they had it drummed into them
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: that they had to worry about race above all things. Right, Well,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: this new reporters, i say, by the College of Policing,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: supported by the Starma government, has found that there are
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: woke problems within the police force and they need to
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: get away from it in order to do their jobs properly.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: This is from gb News' reporting. They write that the
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: wide ranging assessment of policing concluded that senior officers must
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: remain resolute in refusing to take sides and instead concentrate
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: on the prevention, detect and detection and prosecution of crime.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: The report, I know strate the report, one of the
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: most comprehensive reviews of British policing in recent years, also
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: accused police leaders of quote preferencing certain groups a meet
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: ongoing debate over allegations of two tier policing. It called
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: for a fundamental reset of policing after identifying poor leadership, cronyism,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: corruption and inadequate support for frontline officers. Now and this
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: report was done by two ex government ministers, one from Labor,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: one from the Tories. They said there was no room
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: for culture wars or woke in the police. I mean
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: extraordinary that a report needs to.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Be written to say that serious.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: But I mean but as I say, we've seen the
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: real life examples of all of this in the last
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: couple of months in the UK, as we've been seeing
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: them trickle through for years now if they don't do
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: something about it now, there will be another Henry Novak.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: There will be people who die because of racism essentially
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: within the police force. And don't forget I think it
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: was I forget which police force it was in the UK.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: But the story we talked about either earlier this year
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: or late last year where someone put up a sign
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: in their windows saying, you know, shoplift is not welcome
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: or something, and the police came around and told them
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: to take it down because it was offensive.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: This is what the police are.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Doing in the U, offensive to whom my concern is
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: for two parts. Firstly, I can't believe that you need
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: a report to tell police that they have to police and.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: Do their job.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's where the UK is at right now.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: It's actually it is actually frightening. But there have been
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: so many reports and they have fallen on deaf ears.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: There was a report after the grooming gag saga came
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: out that was another issue, and that was another example
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: of two tier policing and they said, no, you've got
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: to fix the force because you know, this culture of DEI,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: this culture of tiptoeing is actually causing problems and nothing happened.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: So this DEI model is so entrenched and it's stemming
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: from the top down, and unless that there is a
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: clear out, I fear that nothing will change.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: We want our.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Police officers to police. We want them to go and
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: arrest criminals. We want them to go and catch the baddies.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: We want them out on the beat, protecting the public.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: That's what we want. We don't want them to go.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: Now, am I allowed to arrest this man.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Because he is black, he's of African descent?
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure? Am I going to be called a racist?
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, you know this potential individual could be looting shops.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: That's just an example.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: I just the logic in this absolutely makes no sense.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: And I do worry that if it's left to festa anymore,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: there will be another Henry Noak situation. And there have
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: been too many examples of this in the UK, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I just think it's ridiculous that a report had to
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: tell us this.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: It's amazing the country that invented the police, like literally
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: invented good point, the concept of a police force has
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: now forgotten what it was actually invented for and has
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: only now just again have to write this massive of
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: this most exhaustive report so far, and again, you're right,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it's unbelievable that this even needed to happen. But they've
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: come back and said, hey, guys, what if we just
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: focus on fighting crime. No, it is just absolutely bonkers.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: But I think, you know, you're kind of wonder if
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: it's too far gone. But this is what happens when
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you have a sort of you know, an entrenched bureaucratic
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: elite that just have these kind of trends that they think, Okay,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: this is all the boxes we have to tick, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: this is what we're doing now, and we're going to
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: do this and that, and there's just no one there
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: to say, hang on, Like the group think is just
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: terrifying on its own, let alone the deadly repercussions.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I completely agree.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: It is certainly a cons when you start tiptoe towing
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: out a fear, you know, of multiculturalism.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: Now look just on that topic.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: One nation, of course, has been pushing its monoculture agender.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: It's caused a lot of debate, and now one Nation's
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Sean Bell is taking it one step further. He has
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: declared that all government services so medicare center link. For example,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: should be delivered in English. He is blaming the translating
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: services for poor assimilation. He has said what we are
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: saying is that government service.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Should be delivered in English.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: We shouldn't be creating this situation where you're encouraging a
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: separation of society. We hear sorts of outlandish claims from
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: the Labor government. Actually, sorry, we actually have audio of
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: him speaking on it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Let's hear it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: What we are saying is that government services should be
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: delivered in English. You know that we shouldn't be creating
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: the situation where you're encouraging a separation of society. We
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: hear sort of outlandish claim the Labor government. This is
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: going to affect hundreds of thousands of people. When we say, well,
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: are we propping up a failure and assimilation of failure
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: to speak English? Well, who are these people? Where are
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: these communities where they are so dependent and reliant on
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: government translation services?
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Now, I think he makes a fair point.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: So right now you can access services Australia, any of
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: these services through a free translation services, or you can
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: opt for a pamphlet in your language of origin. But
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: my question would bea I mean the Australian government when
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: you are a migrant to this country, the Australian government
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: actually provides you with a number of resources, including free
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: English resourcing and classes for eligible migrants. Now, when you
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: come to this country, you have to take an English
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: test as it is, so you need to have at
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: least a very basic knowledge. But if you're provided with
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: the resources to be able to learn and adapt and
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: you're not taking them up, then I'm sorry, you can't
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: expect us to just translate absolutely every single resource. Now,
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I am not saying that if you come to this
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: country you need to be fluent in English.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: I do not completely understand.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: That that is not the case, but you need to
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: be able to learn in order to assimilate. In my view,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: even if you have a very broken English, that's fine,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: but you need to be proving I think as an
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Australian citizen that you are really trying to adapt to
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: learning the English language. So I'm not expecting miracles to
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: happen overnight. But if you pass an English test to
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: come into this country, then you should be able to
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: read government services and you're in English.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think, I mean you absolutely should and
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: speaking English is going to make life a lot lot
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: better for you, and you're going to be better off,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: You're going to have better health, education, employment outcomes, of course,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you name it. But I reckon this is actually just
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: really mean and mean spirited and potentially dangerous. I mean
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: to say that, you know, you shouldn't have translations or
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: translation services in legal or medical context. That's just that's
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: just bonkers. And the people that these are for, they're
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: not people who are fresh off the boat to start
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: a new life but refusing to learn the language. They're
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: often elderly people. They're you know, the mum and the
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: mum or the nano in the family of the migrant
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: who has come and is speaking perfectly good English, but
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you know his eighty year old mum who lives at
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: home with him, doesn't I mean, are we saying that
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: she suddenly has to you know, isn't going to be
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: able to read anything relating to her hospital care in
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Greek or Look.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: The full detail of this has not been released yet,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: so we can't exactly how.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: It never really is. With this line, well, they've.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Got two years to sort that out, of course, But
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I would say on the whole Sean Bill is right.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think you could just sort of overnight just
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: ban translation altogether. There has to be some level of
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: carryover in this. But I think, you know, if I
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: went to, for instance, your beloved France, Joe, and moved
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: over there, would I expect that, you know, if I
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: wanted to call up some government service that, you know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I demand that they have someone there to translated into
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: English for me.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Obnoxious.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I've moved to that country.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: If I want to deal with their services, I have
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: to learn their language. That's fair enough, because I've moved
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: to their country. Why is it that, particularly in English
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: speaking Western nations, we tie ourselves up in knots about all,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: you know, we've got to be sensitive to this person,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: going to be sensitive to that group and whatever. Like
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: in most of the rest of the world, if you
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: went there as a migrant, they would say you fit
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: into the culture, you learn the language, or bugger.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Off back to where you came from. But we tiptoe
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: around and.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Go, oh no, but you know that wouldn't be the
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: right thing to do.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's because the nature of Australia's character is different,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Like wh're not you know, when no country really is
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: these days, you know, a sort of pure ethnic or
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: linguistic group where a country that had the first European
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: people come just over two hundred years ago. Since then,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: we've had massive influxes of people from Europe as well,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: who we deliberately wanted to bring over here for our
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: economic and also security purposes. And again we've had to
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: do that in subsequent waves to get, for example, the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: workforce we need. I know, it's probably gone too far
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and we need to pair it back a bit now
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and make sure we're targeting the right people. But this
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: is not This is something that we have as a
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: nation done to bring as many people from different parts
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of the world here for our national needs. I don't think.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think just sort of saying, you know, it's
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: not like, you know, the refugees who come here or whatever,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: we're knocking the door down. That is a tiny proportion
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: of the overall migrant intake. A lot of these people
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: are the skilled workers we need, and a lot of them,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a fraction again.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Skilled workers speak English about foreign student shouldn't they shouldn't
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: they be If you're coming here to study, shouldn't you speak.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: The perfect world? Absolutely? But again, if we need someone
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: who can do a certain job and it's vital that
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: they are able to do it, and without them, we
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: would not have that job and our economy would slow
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: be less productive.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: Well should you speaking?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Should need foreign students?
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Though we do it for the money they bring in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a huge, huge amount of mone third or fourth biggest export.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: And this is the problem. We sort of back ourselves
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: into a corner. And so we've got to do anything
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: we can do accommodated that. We have done it through
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: ourselves to some degree. Now, can we address the elephant
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: in the room.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Oh gosh, what is it?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Be nice word to call Kylie.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: Telling you about your great mate Anthony Ore. We go
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: kill the brand who, indeed, as you mentioned, wants to
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: do the horizontal fox trot with Kylie Minogue.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Look the horizontal footing.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I like that one. Heard that, I have heard that one.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: I'm glad you trotted it out.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Indeed Fox trotted it out. Indeed, now I'm sure you've
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: seen it today. But if you've been living under.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: A rock, shag Mary date Kylie Minogue, Nicole Kibman or
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Ronda Birch Moore.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I've just got married, I'm only six months in.
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: But if it ghoes tits up.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Let's just pretend, oh Kylie clearly in Mary Kylie and
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Shagger and data.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: All of the above.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: All right, it's a triple She's terrific.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Now, look, I'm going to be to be perfectly frank,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I think this has been largely overblown. I think there's
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: been all this carry on about its sexist and it's misogynists.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: And look, no, it was a.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Bloke saying he had the hots for Carlie Minogue. Should
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: he have done that podcast and said that in the
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: first place, No, he probably shouldn't. He should have known
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: that this is how it was all going to play out.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: But I do kind of find it hard to get
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: really outraged and upset about this.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You know, so much has been made of it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Yes it was crass, Yes it was somewhat unbecoming of
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the office of prime minister. Yes, it's true that if
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: a liberal prime minister had said this, you wouldn't hear
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: the end of it, and he would be decried as
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: a misogynist and sexist, and it would go on for
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: days and days and days, and they'd try and hound
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the bloke out out of his office. But like the
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: biggest problem I think really would be that to. He
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: probably got in a bit of trouble with Jodie after.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I know, Like for me, it's that he didn't have
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: the nouse to bat the question away.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: It's not so much that he actually said what he said, like.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you're the lone woman here, Danika, But
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: were you offended by it?
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I was not offended.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: And I said this earlier on the Bolt Report, right
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: if it was any other man, nobody would care.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: I do not care.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: If a blow goes oh, I got the hots for her,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: I would shag her.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: I don't care. Bloke speak is not of interest to me.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I don't care.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: The problem, as you said, was with the fact that
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: this is the Prime Minister of Australia making these sorts
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: of comments that some would consider leude. But I don't
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: think it's misogynistic by no means, because they are also
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: gay men out there who also think that Kyler Minogue
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: is hot as so.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: They want to shager.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: But you know, and I was also.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Thinking about Nicole Kim and Ronda birchmore at all of this,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: I wonder what those of it, what about it?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: They're the only two people he's actually offended This is
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the biggest most hypocritical storm in a tea cup I
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: have ever seen in my life. Now, you're absolutely right that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if a conservative politician had have done it,
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  Speaker 1: then the people on the left would have jumped up
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  Speaker 1: and down and you know, and tried to get him
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  Speaker 1: sacked or canceled or whatever. And every single person, every
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: single person on the right side of politics, would say,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you don't believe in freedom of speech, you're woke, you're
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: trying to get people canceled. Lighten up, stop your pearl clutching,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: stop being triggered. And now there's an opportunity. Not you guys, obviously,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: but some people sort of thought, oh maybe we can
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: get an opportunity to do the same thing as how
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: about No Conservatives were right when they said that this
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the woke outrage brigade has just completely lost the plot
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  Speaker 1: and trying to whip up this sort of pearl clutching
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: is just embarrassing. And now that it's happening to you know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: thankfully I have the luck to have not been part
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: of that outrage regade and hated it and called out earlier,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: so I don't have egg on my face now. But
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: there are many in the left who do have egg
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: on their face for being hypocritical about it. But that
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that what he said was in any way
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  Speaker 1: like I mean, for one thing, he didn't even say it.
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  Speaker 1: It's the podcaster who is saying it, clearly as a joke.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: They're clearly kind of like a comedic podcast, and he's
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: just sort of like going along with it a bit reluctantly.
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  Speaker 1: It happened.
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  Speaker 5: He could have he could have.
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  Speaker 4: He could have said, look, I'm not willing to answer
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: that and then but instead he doubled down and then
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: started talking about his own sex life. All he had
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: to have said was look, I'm a gentleman, I'm not
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: going to go there.
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  Speaker 5: But he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: He was a great act for.
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  Speaker 3: I think he handled it poorly, but I'm not. It
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean Tom offend it. But and Barnaby Joyce is
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: how he said he would have handled it.
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  Speaker 9: Well, he is going to have their way with me
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  Speaker 9: if I ever say something like that would be the
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  Speaker 9: Australian people. So no, no, we just can't answer questions
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  Speaker 9: like that. And thank you very much, but but no, thanks.
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  Speaker 9: You just fell into a trap which he shouldn't have
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  Speaker 9: fallen in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's the point. And I just
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  Speaker 3: want to make one more really quick point before we go.
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  Speaker 3: Justinda Allen the premiere of Victoria. This is what she
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: had to say about it. I've not listened to the podcast.
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  Speaker 4: My understanding is this is a more lighthearted forum and
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: I'll leave that matter there.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: If, as we say, it was someone on the right,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: just inter Allen would not be responding like that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: You know, Ditch the witch.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Was that sexist and awful and we can't have that
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: in politics. The PM saying that he'd like to shag
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Kylie Mino as just like.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Hearted chit chat.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but also coming from just to Alan, who's
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: done everything she can to a raise women rights in
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Victoria because of you know, the whole Sex Discrimination Act thing. So,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: you know, just the hypocritical left at play again.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, after the break, we'll have a look at tomorrow's
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  Speaker 3: front pages.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: If you want to pay for your parking Environ.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: App in Queensland, they want to charge you extra.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: How's that fear. We'll discuss that more after this.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's take a look at tomorrow's front pages,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: shall we, so you can see tomorrow's news tonight on
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the front of the OS. Of course there it is again,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: this business about the Prime Minister and Kylie Minou. They've
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: got their podcast politics inside the PM's major lapse and judgment.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Look, I would just say.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: To to PM though you know he wants to go
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  Speaker 3: and jump into bed with someone other than his wife,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I would just warn you better the devil, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Oh that was a good one.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Also on the front of the OS Tomorrow Fiji deal,
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  Speaker 3: China goes ballistic. China has sparked furious condemnation after firing
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  Speaker 3: a long range missile into the South Pacific, just hours
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  Speaker 3: after Australia signed a far reaching military alliance with Fiji that.
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  Speaker 2: Could be joined by other island nations.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: The missile, with a dummy warhead, was launch from a
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  Speaker 3: nuclear powered submarine about twelve oh one pm Beijing time
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  Speaker 3: Monday to a one pm Australian Eastern Standard time landing quote,
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  Speaker 3: precisely within the designated waters, according to China's state run media.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: China's first such launch since twenty twenty four was believed
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  Speaker 3: to be a nuclear capable Jail three intercontinental ballistic missile,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: but no details were provided. And it goes say that
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: analyst said The launch was intended as a warning to
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  Speaker 3: Pacific nations to avoid further security agreements with Australia, as
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Penny Wong accused Beijing of undermining regional stability.
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  Speaker 2: And they're not exactly backwards in coming forward.
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  Speaker 1: Not subtle, are they?
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 1: First, I think it's the first treaty security treaty fee
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  Speaker 1: G has ever signed. It's very very significant. They're obviously
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: a huge tourism destination for Australians. They occupy a particularly
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  Speaker 1: important place in the South Pacific. We've seen similar stuff
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: with Solomon Island's happening P and G. Obviously we need
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to shore up all these small nations and make sure
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: they know that it's Australia who is going to be
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: their protector with the US at our back, and make
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: sure they don't turn to China because otherwise we will
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: have more than one ballistic missile right on our doorstep.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: So I think that's a slight more concern than to elbows.
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  Speaker 1: Who's on Albow's playlist?
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't Anthony Abeneasy though, go to China last year? Did
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: he know shure us up that China is a great
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: mate and wouldn't do something like this in the future
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: in case they're not just in case, but look, well
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: we've clearly got some evidence. But look, this to me
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: is yet another act of aggression. This is China saying
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  Speaker 4: no where the in charge when they're not the ones
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: that are in charge. And I also wondered, I mean,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I know it was, you know, to do with Fiji,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: but it's also just a few days after America's two
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  Speaker 4: hundred and fiftieth anniversary. I wonder if the timing was
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: suspicious with that well.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: And it's interesting to note it comes off the back
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: of the defense, not defense. The security update received a
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago from Mark Burgess at Asia, subsequent
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: to which the Chinese ambassador in Australia wrote no Newspapers
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: in which he said it's all crap.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: There's no espionage all, we're not sparing on anything.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: It's all been made up, and defact put out a
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: statement on Friday basically saying, oh, well, we're not sure
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: you're right about that. They're pussy footing around Italy and
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: this is what now the story on the front of
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: the Yours tomorrow. ALP lifts pressure off PA Hamas and PA.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Assume it's not a public announcement system.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Labor has dropped explicit pressure on Hermas to disarm or
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: on the Palestinian Authority to reform and guarantee israel security
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: in the latest draft of its official policy platform, despite
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi making these key conditions to controversial recognition of Palestine,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: after promising to hold the PA to account and demeaning
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: demanding sorry Hamas play no role in the future of
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Palestine in an initial draft circulated just months ago. The
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: tough language has been scrubbed altogether from a new version
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: released weeks out from the ALPS National Conference in Adelaide.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: What a place.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: The latest draft condemns terrorism and the violence perpetrated by
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Hamas and other extremists, but almost all the pressure in
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Labour's gathering document now risks on the democratic state of Israel.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: What's this about, John.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it is basically more of the same from
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the Labor Party. It was indeed, of course, at the
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: ALP National Conference that the wording was slightly changed on
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the existing policy position on Israel and Palestine, made it
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit more pro Palestine. I think it had
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: words to the effect of working towards recognizing in Palestinian state,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and I think it called the contested territories the occupied territories.
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  Speaker 1: And at that stage, that was before twenty twenty three,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and what we knew what, and we didn't know then
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that was coming. But that was so that the left
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: dominated ALP conference would let Orcust through. I didn't. So
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: it's basically just throwing them a bit of red meat
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: so they could have their way on that sort of stuff.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: And of course the leftis loves words and resolutions, and
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: then they would agree not to kick up a fuss
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: about Orcust and let that through. But of course we
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: all know that position came back to bite them really
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: really badly when the attack happened, and suddenly it looked
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: like Labor was moving in favor of those things. And
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: you're seeing the same thing here again, where the left
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: of the party just obsessed, I mean, the left generally
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: just obsessed with Palestine and Israel to the exclusion of
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: almost everything else and are hustling the PM at a
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: time we really doesn't need it, quite frankly, and and
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: so this kind of form of words has been circulated.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't really make that much difference because Labor Conference
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: policy or even official labor party policy is not the
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: same as government.
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  Speaker 4: But didn't we know that this was going to happen
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: when it did make that deal to recognize a Palestinian state,
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: that the wording of its terms and conditions were always
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: going to be a problem. I mean, trying to will
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: and deal with the Palestinian authority that has proven itself
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: completely unreliable on multiple occasions. Like you just you cannot
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: make a deal with the enemy. And that's what's well.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: That's why the labor labor it was stronger than the parties.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: And now we've got you know, it's dropped its pressure
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: on her mustards ar terrific, another classic from labor.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Indeed, why don't we move on to the advertiser?
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Really, you don't want to do the weekly?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: We're running out of time.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: We are running Oh well, that's that's that becomes my
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: cue if I could just cueue myself up the advertiser
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: front page. There five club for Kids, No headbuts groin strikes,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: eye pokes as boys and girls punch on in Adelaide
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: parks and you can see it's a blurred image, obviously
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: of two youths brawling. This was a video posted on
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: YouTube by the South Australian Fight Club, which involves teens
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: competing in matches that mimic professional combat sports. I'm actually
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: shocked that this is allowed to have gone on. I
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: wonder how long at four for goodness sake, but kids
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: in the middle of parks with this sort of behavior.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: It's dangerous to them, but it's also dangerous for bypasses,
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: and it also brings repute to the local area.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: You're getting up to this sort of behavior as a
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: young witch snapper in the streets of Adelaide.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: In Adelaide, I'd love to see you.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I can't say that might be him on the front page.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Historical footage they've got there now.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Of course, the problem is that it all gets posted
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: to social that's right, and then it becomes a craze
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: and on the horrendous stuff.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the Gold Coast Bulletin now and they
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: have a cracker of an exclusive on the frontage. Drivers
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: slugged a parking app fee, not appy counselor. I really
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: want to say it's a good one, but it just
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: made no sense whatsoever. The Gold Coast City Council is
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: set to rake in more than seventeen point two million
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: dollars in revenue from parking parking meters in the new
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: financial year, with motorists slugged extra for paying via the app.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And that is what really bakes my canolis. That is
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: what grinds my gears, because they get this app thing right,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: which is meant to make it more convenient for you.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: In fact, it means it's more convenient for them because
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: they don't need to put all the infrastructure and blah
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: blah blah and the parking meters in the first place.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: And what happened to all those meter maids and the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: gold bikinis. By the way, I'm still thinking, and.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Well, then out you'll end up the way.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I wish you for doing the thing that makes it
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: easier for them.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: It really bothers me as well, because everything is on
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: an app these days, everything's online. We're all, you know,
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: companies are modernizing, going forward with technology, but we're going
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: to slug for that ex technology. It exactly, it's not unbelievable.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Before we go on the front of the Mercury, downy
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: tazzy tomorrow, bit of a grim front page. There seven
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: of Hobart's most loved venues closed in shock administration.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Shutdown Dry July. I'm certainly not having it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I get a trigger warning every time.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Seven of Hobart's top hospitality venues have closed and their
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: staff stood down as the company operating them was placed
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: into voluntary administration. In shock news for the city's hospitality industry,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Cargo Bar, Jack Green, Post Street, Social Observatory, Bar, Republic Bar,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Franklin Wharf Restaurant and Bar, and Franklin Wolf Function Center
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: have all closed their doors and been listed for sale.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just so hard in hospitality now, isn't it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: We see the results of that on the front of
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: the Mercury tomorrow.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: After the break.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: It is one of the best clips I have seen
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: out of the World Cup. Of course, the soccer Ruse
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: are now out of it. Did I say soccer Ruse?
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I think there's another new named for I'll.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Show you that.
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: Up to this.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: You know what the Prime Minister's problem is with all
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: this entirely min own business. He just can't get her
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: out of his head.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, you've been dying to just pop these
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: out all night, and you've been scripting them.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: I was wondering what you were up to earlier.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Anyway, let's crack on with the show, shall we, uh.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: The VBC one of.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: The Hype news anchors, Jane Hill over the weekend, was
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: of course, reporting on the soccer Ruse loss in the
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: World Cup.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: We're not going any further.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: If you got up at four am, four and on
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Saturday morning, my condolences, but maybe they're not. The soccer
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Ruse have a listen to hammers. Hill describes them.
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: It took Australia more than forty minutes to equalize through
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: an egypt own goal, no goals in extra time, took
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: it to penalties, but then Sakiris missed two spot kicks.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Hang on, now, I apologize for the fact that the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: vision is blurreded because of writs and stuff, copyright stuff, right,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: but what did she say?
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: But then Sakiris missed two spot kicks.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: He missed the I feel like you need some uzzo
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: to have with it or something to shoot.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Off the tee.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: He's gone, But like it's soccer us. How do you
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: look at that and then go, oh.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: That's I love that. I actually think it's quite cute.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: It's very endearing. Actually, George, actually George bang on.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: George, who can forget that one now I know, yes,
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: so we won't go there.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Now. Look, if you ever.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Walk past a busker, you might want to actually stop
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: and have a listen for a very very good reason.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Because Robbie Williams was busking in Spain.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Would you believe here he is.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: As so he's currently touring around Europe, just stops in Spain,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: does a bit of busking. Yeah, people pay so much
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: money to go and see them when you get a
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: free concert if you're in Seville.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: We paid him a million dollars to the AFL Grand Final.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, could have just given him twenty cents. That's right
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: in the guitar case. And finally, someone who is also
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: no stranger to the world of music is Taylor Swift.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And in case you haven't noticed, she's very much in
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: love with her Footy star fiance, Travis Kels, and they
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: were apparently they just got married at Madison Square Gardens.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: And there is a rumor that the reason nobody has
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: seen Taylor's wedding dress is because she is in secret
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: negotiations with Netflix and that is going to be the
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: big reveal of the Taylor Swift frock. Are you as
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: excited as I? Am Nika.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. Don't come at me Swifties. I don't care
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: for Taylor Swift. Not a fan of the music.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: You're a Katy Perry type.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not really no George type.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Georgie, speaking of which, it's time for us to go.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I'm kay Le Bond. He's Joe Hildebrand. She's Georgio Denikio.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: If you know
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: The Riga Penney Show, hosted by James Morrow,