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The Danish Deception Breakdown with Zachary Reality · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast.
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  Speaker 2: With on our radio. It's almost his podcast. We're here
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  Speaker 2: today with you and we're breaking down a TikTok phenomenon
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  Speaker 2: that is happening right now and it's closely related to
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation. We're very excited today because we have one
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  Speaker 2: of our favorite people joining us for this deep dive now,
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  Speaker 2: Zachary Realities with us. Hello, Hey, I want to start
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  Speaker 2: this with this. Ayaka has came out and said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: she feels like there's been a lot of victim shaming
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  Speaker 2: going on as she posts these videos on TikTok. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to dive into what these videos are we call it,
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  Speaker 2: and she's calling it the Danish deception. I'll be honest,
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  Speaker 2: I have questions for Anyaika. I think she is definitely
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  Speaker 2: the victim here. This is awful, this is not good.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of bad stuff happened to her. But I
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  Speaker 2: do have questions that if she was here with us
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  Speaker 2: and we did ask her to participate and hopefully at
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  Speaker 2: some point she does, I would be asking her straight
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  Speaker 2: to her face. But our attempt today is to break
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  Speaker 2: down this wild story and the best way we know how,
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  Speaker 2: not only in support of her, but also wanting to
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  Speaker 2: ask the questions of how does this happen and how
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  Speaker 2: does it happen for so long? Zachary and Ashley, are
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  Speaker 2: you ready to talk about the Danish Deception?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, let's talk about the Dnnis deception, which is very
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  Speaker 3: similar to stories that have became popular in the past
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  Speaker 3: few years. Who the F Did I Marry? On TikTok
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  Speaker 3: by Reesa Tisa that was her true life story and
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  Speaker 3: the Tindler Swindler on Netflix.
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  Speaker 2: Zachary, you're familiar with this story. You've broken it down
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  Speaker 2: a multiple times. Do you mind just kind of walking
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  Speaker 2: us through your understanding of kind of the base level
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  Speaker 2: maybe part one of Anyaika's video that she posted on TikTok.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So, basically, she met this guy in Croatia and
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  Speaker 4: she was smitten by him, and he really liked her,
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  Speaker 4: and it seems like he loved bombed her. So he
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  Speaker 4: was inviting her on trips pretty quickly, and she started
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  Speaker 4: to get feelings for this guy, so she fell in
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  Speaker 4: love with him, and basically she later found out that
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  Speaker 4: he was a gambler, that he was lying, he was
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  Speaker 4: borrowing money from her, So she fell in love with
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  Speaker 4: someone who ended up being a con artist. So that's
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  Speaker 4: basically like the story.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't just fall in love quickly. She ends up
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  Speaker 3: getting married to him very quickly. Do we know why
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  Speaker 3: she just courthouse? Oh the green card. The girl was scammed.
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  Speaker 4: I mean there was one point that like her address
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  Speaker 4: was on his house and like he was really taking
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  Speaker 4: advantage of her.
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  Speaker 2: The story gets wild, you said, did a great job
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  Speaker 2: at kind of setting this scene for us. As you mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: Anyaka goes with a friend to quote Croatia where she
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  Speaker 2: meets this dude and he's an attractive fellaw. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that guy is a very handsome man. He's like, what
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  Speaker 2: six foot four, he's muscular, and they're making eyes there
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  Speaker 2: in Croatia and they get flirty. But the electricity, like
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  Speaker 2: the chemistry is off the charts for the two of
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  Speaker 2: them at the beginning and really at the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: this relationship. It's a very normal relationship outside of the
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  Speaker 2: fact that it's very long distance, right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, But there's a lot of trips.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the first like six months, it seems like
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  Speaker 4: they're traveling everywhere all the time. And what's interesting is
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  Speaker 4: in the beginning he was paying for these trips and
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  Speaker 4: then eventually she started paying for the trips, and she
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  Speaker 4: started loaning him money. And I think that's why everyone
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  Speaker 4: is so shocked, is because she who loans someone money
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  Speaker 4: that often, like all the time, and like, how could
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  Speaker 4: her family and friends loan hand money and not even
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  Speaker 4: tell her.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so he tells her that he makes at
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  Speaker 3: least one hundred thousand a year. To me, the sirens
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  Speaker 3: would be going off if this man who's making four
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  Speaker 3: hundred thousand a year is asking me for money.
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  Speaker 5: Who asks like a grown man for money?
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  Speaker 2: Well he he also mentioned he's a part of royal lineage. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He also at the beginning of this relationship just kind
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  Speaker 2: of in passing mentions that he participated in the Olympics
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  Speaker 2: and handball. So he is setting the scene here to
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  Speaker 2: be this kind of one of a kind I've got
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  Speaker 2: it all catch that so many people you know would
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  Speaker 2: be attracted to. I can see where her initial reaction is,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I found my dream partner. And I
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  Speaker 2: want to pause here and ask you both your opinion,
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  Speaker 2: because he does pay for these initial trips, and they're
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  Speaker 2: not inexpensive trips. She mentions the glamour and the luxury
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  Speaker 2: and where they're staying during these trips. I hear that,
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  Speaker 2: and I think he is so manipulative that he is
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  Speaker 2: trying to also set the scene and say, I am
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  Speaker 2: this wealthy guy and this is what I can do
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  Speaker 2: for you. Or do you think he at the beginning
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  Speaker 2: had good intentions.
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  Speaker 3: I think that he had bad intentions the entire time.
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  Speaker 5: Me too.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently he just married her right off the bat for
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  Speaker 3: a green guard, and I don't even know that he
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  Speaker 3: wanted to even live in the US. He seems very
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  Speaker 3: entrenched in whatever frauds he's doing in Europe, but I
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  Speaker 3: think he wanted to bring his frauds over here just
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  Speaker 3: to have another demographic.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get to the marriage, there is a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things that happened in between there. She mentions that
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  Speaker 2: on a date with him, and I think this is
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  Speaker 2: just a wild footnote that feels like a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: She passes out after a dinner, right and she falls
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  Speaker 2: down after a dinner and is unconscious at the dinner,
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  Speaker 2: wakes up and he says that she's been having seizures.
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  Speaker 2: She's peede herself. She finds herself in the hospital and
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  Speaker 2: he is there beside her the whole time. Which is
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  Speaker 2: I think where she first mentions that she loves him,
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  Speaker 2: that she's falling in love with him at the hospital
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  Speaker 2: after this very dramatic event. Now do we know anything
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  Speaker 2: more about this event because it is a it's a
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  Speaker 2: big deal, especially if this hasn't happened to her very often.
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  Speaker 5: Right, I mean, that's what everyone was saying.
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  Speaker 4: It was like, your body is telling you not to go,
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  Speaker 4: And isn't that something that happens on like The Bachelor.
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  Speaker 4: I remember that one girl got sick and she couldn't
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  Speaker 4: go on her one on one day because she was
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  Speaker 4: like throwing up or something.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know who that was.
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  Speaker 3: Am I being too conspiratorial and thinking that it's weird
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  Speaker 3: that she ends up having a sees you're bleeding from
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  Speaker 3: her head and then like and having a severe concussion
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  Speaker 3: after dinner with him, as like I think, do I
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  Speaker 3: think that possibly he puts something in something I don't know?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the question that I wanted to ask, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: and I think again, we're coming at this at kind
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  Speaker 2: of guessing and you know, throwing out these ideas. But
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  Speaker 2: when she mentions that she passes out at dinner and
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  Speaker 2: then we now have the hindsight of seeing who this
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  Speaker 2: man is. I go and seizures are not a part
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  Speaker 2: of her life. This has never happened again, all these things.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what was put in her drink? Was my
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  Speaker 2: if a friend called me and said, I went on
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  Speaker 2: a date last night all of a sudden stood up
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  Speaker 2: from dinner, passed out and had seizures, And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you don't seem to be a person that's told me
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  Speaker 2: about your seizures before, Like I've never had them. I'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, you got to get out of there, like
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  Speaker 2: something's bad, Like so you got to get check, go
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  Speaker 2: to the doctor and see what's in your drink?
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  Speaker 4: Literally, I mean, oh, I just remembered it was Beverly
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  Speaker 4: from Grant season. She like got sick, remember you guys.
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  Speaker 4: You guys probably interviewed her. But I think that maybe
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  Speaker 4: she saw that as like wow, like I was at
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  Speaker 4: my lowest and he took care of me, like he
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  Speaker 4: stepped up for me. He took care of me in
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  Speaker 4: the hospital and I was, you know, in another country.
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  Speaker 4: So I think she was just very manipulated by this guy.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the big thing that he had that
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  Speaker 4: intentions is because she later found out that he had
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  Speaker 4: another girlfriend. Four months into their relationship when she finally
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  Speaker 4: realized who he was. That's when she reached out to
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  Speaker 4: his ex, his sister, and found out all of the
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  Speaker 4: red flags that she has been ignoring the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: But are they they're married at this point.
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  Speaker 4: Now they're divorced. They got divorced, which is great that
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  Speaker 4: it happened so fast.
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  Speaker 3: But she's not finding this out until the divorce.
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  Speaker 4: Well, she found out once she found out that he
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  Speaker 4: was a con man, and she started looking into things
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  Speaker 4: once once once he broke up with her. And that's
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  Speaker 4: also crazy, is he was the one that broke up
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  Speaker 4: with her. It wasn't the other way around.
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  Speaker 5: So she was just wanting to go a lot anymore.
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  Speaker 4: She was just so out of it, like she was
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  Speaker 4: so in love and could not think clearly.
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  Speaker 2: So the scene is now set. They meet in Croatia,
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  Speaker 2: they go on these dates. Let's just kind of that.
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  Speaker 2: There's like nineteen to twenty six. I forget how many
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  Speaker 2: TikTok videos there are of this. They go on all
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  Speaker 2: these dates. She's falling in love, he's taking care of her.
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  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, when they first met, he was still
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  Speaker 2: with his girlfriend. That this was like he was still
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  Speaker 2: tied up. So I do think, to answer my first question,
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  Speaker 2: there was bad intentions maybe from the beginning, because well,
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  Speaker 2: he entered into the relationship while still in a relationship,
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  Speaker 2: which I just think for most people, unless that's disgusted,
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  Speaker 2: is not an acceptable thing.
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  Speaker 5: To do.
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  Speaker 2: Then. And I don't want to use the word brilliance,
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  Speaker 2: but in like the most greedy evil brilliance somebody can
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  Speaker 2: come up with. He starts slowly asking for money and
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  Speaker 2: having all these excuses on why he needs the money,
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  Speaker 2: and so they're in relationship now. Anyaka thinks that she
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  Speaker 2: has met her prince Charming, that he's from royal lineage,
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  Speaker 2: that he's an Olympian, that he's very wealthy, and then
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  Speaker 2: he starts saying, you know, talking about all these problems
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  Speaker 2: that he has on why he needs money. One of
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  Speaker 2: the excuses is that the irs has his money tied
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  Speaker 2: up due to some confusion. The other one is that
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  Speaker 2: there is a really good investment in a business that
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  Speaker 2: he needs to make, but he doesn't have the cash
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  Speaker 2: available to do that. Another one is that his parents
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  Speaker 2: will no longer kind of release their trust funds to
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  Speaker 2: him for this trip that he wants to take with
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  Speaker 2: her because they need to meet her first, and so
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  Speaker 2: he asked for her to pay for certain things for
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  Speaker 2: this trip. There's all these excuses that he starts to
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  Speaker 2: come up with, and slowly but surely, as you mentioned, Zachary,
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  Speaker 2: she starts sending him money and upwards of at the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: I think like five thousand dollars at a time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a lot of three k is a lot
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  Speaker 5: of ten k's.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that she wanted to contry because it
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  Speaker 4: seemed like she got a lot of things for free.
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  Speaker 4: And I think she wanted to prove to this man
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  Speaker 4: that she really loves him in that marriage. To her,
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  Speaker 4: this relationship is an equal partnership. So I think she
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  Speaker 4: originally was just like manipulated by him, and she wanted
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  Speaker 4: to help him out. She does pretty well on her own,
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  Speaker 4: she's a real estate agent. But I think after a
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  Speaker 4: few times, it's just too fishy and there's too much,
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  Speaker 4: Like when do you get tired of like all this
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  Speaker 4: back and forth and all the lies and why nothing
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  Speaker 4: ever makes sense. I kind of feel like Anyaika, you know,
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  Speaker 4: she should be mad at herself for just like not
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  Speaker 4: seeing the signs clearer. And I wish that her family
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  Speaker 4: stepped in more when they found out that they were
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  Speaker 4: being asked.
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  Speaker 3: I had a friend who was in a sort of
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  Speaker 3: simpler ish relationship. She ended up finding out the end
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  Speaker 3: of like over a two year relationship from his parents
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  Speaker 3: that he was over one hundred thousand in debt after
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  Speaker 3: she paid for a number of things like getting his
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  Speaker 3: car out of the impound and paying for so much
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  Speaker 3: of their lives. And she always knew it was suspicious.
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  Speaker 3: She was always trying to defend our like highbrow, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, eh, eh, and I think and she
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  Speaker 3: kind of admits that she was just with him because
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  Speaker 3: she was kind of like not really wanting to be single,
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  Speaker 3: and I was afraid of what her life would look
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  Speaker 3: like like as like a thirty something single And I
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  Speaker 3: just feel like that's probably I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: On Yek's obviously beautiful. She can have anybody. So is
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  Speaker 3: my friend who had the same situation. There's no way
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  Speaker 3: she didn't actually see what was going on and thinking
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  Speaker 3: it was suspect. It's just a matter of choosing to like,
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  Speaker 3: do I want to continue to be in this comfortable
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  Speaker 3: ish relationship, you know, comfortable relationship with this guy that
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  Speaker 3: I find obviously very attractive, or do I want to
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  Speaker 3: be with you know? Or do I want to be single?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're raising questions that are worth asking,
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  Speaker 2: And especially with Anyeka's background, she's very intelligent. She's a
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  Speaker 2: real estate agent in Dallas. She's used to background checks
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  Speaker 2: and financial checks. She understands like how finance works and
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  Speaker 2: how personal finance works, and how loans work. Now there
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  Speaker 2: is the level where international law is different than our
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  Speaker 2: domestic law here in the United States, and so there
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  Speaker 2: is probably the ability for a while to talk about
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  Speaker 2: how banks are unwilling to loan money to him and
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  Speaker 2: his country. Now that is not true. In fact, some
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  Speaker 2: of the most successful banks are Danish banks. But maybe
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  Speaker 2: there was that kind of back and forth that he's
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  Speaker 2: able to play into. I think this is a good
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  Speaker 2: moment for us to pause, though, and recognize the power
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  Speaker 2: attraction and love at the time can play into blinding
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  Speaker 2: us from some very clear things that are right in
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  Speaker 2: front of us. I think, Zach, you brought up the
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  Speaker 2: best question. Maybe it was you, Ashley, I forget who
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  Speaker 2: said it. Where was her family and friends at during
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  Speaker 2: this well.
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  Speaker 3: They were actually so into him. Whenever they would meet him,
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  Speaker 3: she said that they loved him, the parents especially.
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  Speaker 2: She also kept it from them. She kept a few
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  Speaker 2: things from them. Here's a big point in this story. So,
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  Speaker 2: just a few months into their dating, they decide to
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  Speaker 2: get married without telling anybody else. They do a courthouse
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  Speaker 2: wedding so that he can start the process of getting
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  Speaker 2: getting an immigration attorney to walk him through getting citizenship
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  Speaker 2: here in the United States. And so, because of her
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  Speaker 2: family and it being a traditional Nigerian family, she chooses that, yes,
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  Speaker 2: this is the best option. Let's get married, Let's make
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  Speaker 2: it a fish. Let's start this process and then when
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  Speaker 2: we're ready, because goodness gracious, we both know we're going
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  Speaker 2: to marry each other. You actually propose we could do
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  Speaker 2: a white dress wedding. Everything's good, but let's at least
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  Speaker 2: do the semantics of getting married legally first so that
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  Speaker 2: process can start.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, And you know it's bad when like you
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  Speaker 4: don't want to tell anybody you're doing something, that's when
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  Speaker 4: you know you shouldn't be doing it, because if you
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  Speaker 4: tell someone you're gonna get married, someone's going to tell
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  Speaker 4: you no.
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  Speaker 5: So that's why.
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  Speaker 4: She probably kept it a secret, and I am glad
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  Speaker 4: that she got divorced from him pretty easily because the
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  Speaker 4: divorce could sometimes take years, right Like, it seems like
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  Speaker 4: she was able to get it done and she didn't
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  Speaker 4: start talking about it online until after the divorce was finalized,
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  Speaker 4: which I think was interesting and the most The biggest
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  Speaker 4: question I have is like, what does he think of
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  Speaker 4: the Datish Deception? What does he think that she put
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  Speaker 4: this all out online? Like has he seen the videos?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 3: Didn't somebody mention I'm not sure if we were recording
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  Speaker 3: yet that he is still off doing scams as of like.
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  Speaker 2: A week ago.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was in Saloum.
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  Speaker 2: He's been spot in Tuloom. I'm sure he's familiar with
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  Speaker 2: the Danish Deception. And Jaikin never releases his name during
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  Speaker 2: her show or dure there.
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  Speaker 4: But she had a couple's in a TikTok with him.
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  Speaker 4: She posted him on her TikTok for years or like
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  Speaker 4: a year, a bunch of couple videos. They did trends,
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  Speaker 4: and then she deleted every single video restarted. She did
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  Speaker 4: a really good job I think branding the series the
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  Speaker 4: Danish Deception, it's so good and I think it'll be
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: really interesting to see if this does get picked up
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: by a network and become a documentary.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: There's a few things that I want to point out.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: After they got the courthouse wedding done with, he said
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: that he couldn't afford a ring, and she.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Was okay with that.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Again, like, is she not question why did he even
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: say that he came for money or was like royal
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: or anything. If he just continuously proves that he doesn't
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: have any liquidity, then he says that the Irs called him,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: and so is this the American Irs? He owes three
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen thousand dollars in taxes and his dad
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: owes twelve million.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm assuming that would be the Danish Irs because
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: of their family business. You know, I think we've probably
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: all of us are old enough and have walked through
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: life long enough to recognize and see that insecurities oftentimes
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: bring about lying in people, right. I mean, it's getting
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: in the habit of lying, seeing the attention that you
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: can get from lying. You can talk about how you're
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: in the Olympics and everybody wants to ask you about
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: it. It feels good, especially when you're insecure and you're not
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: getting that attention from other places. It really sounds like
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: he started lying from the very start and couldn't get himself.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he actually ever wanted to. Typically
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: what happens is somebody trying these to get themselves out
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: of the hole of the lies they dug and told.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like he ever tried to. He was
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: just continued to dig more and more lies to continue
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to get more and more money. Which is interesting that
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: he is the one that at the end called this
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: whole thing off and asked her to the divorce because
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: he might have gotten what he wanted. The big reason here,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: if any of us are asking where did this money go?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: There was over I think the number is three hundred
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars on Yeka for like is trying to. I
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: think it's been hard because of family and friends of
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: hers and also herself. But about three hundred thousand dollars,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: let's assume, based on her estimates that are missing and
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: were given to this guy, three hundred thousand dollars, Ladies
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: and gentlemen, that's a lot of freaking money.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about how he was hiding the money that
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: her family was giving him. He would say things like,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I'm building a house. This is his secret, just get
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: can you if you could give me three hundred I
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: thout three thousand just for like a down payment on
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: land a lot or blah blah blah blah, and that
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: is crazy And she ends up telling them I'm leaving
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: this guy and they're like, uh, he took money for
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: me and has it reimbursed me before yet?
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: He told her sister like, can you lend me some
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: money so I can buy a yaka like this present
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: or this car.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, no, she doesn't need it. You can't
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: pay for it, then no.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is like if someone asks
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: me for money, like I'm literally gonna say no, Like
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: ask someone else. I don't loan out money to people like.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand how she could constantly loan out
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: money to this guy or anyone like.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: It just doesn't make sense to me.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I personally have And this was early on in this
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: whole thing, uh like my my, I guess this whole
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: thing meaning my life, where one of my mentors told me, hey,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: don't loan money out to people like there may be
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: helped support them whatever, but if you need to just
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: pay for something, do it. Don't loan the money out
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: because it's two hard a relationship, and it also restricts
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: how much you're going to be giving somebody, And so
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I don't loan money. Like you said, if somebody called
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: me and asked for three thousand dollars, I'd say, that's crazy, buddy, Like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: let's sit down and talk about this. Let's figure out
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: how you know we can get this going together. But
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: three thousand dollars over and over and over again is wild.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I don't want to take away from the fact that
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Anyako was generous. Her family was very generous. I think
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: they had good hearts in this, and we should amplify
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that he was manipulating everybody. They thought they were being
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: kind in their generosity and he took advantage of it. Yes,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: should it have happened over and over again? No goodness.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: If Aanyeko was here, I'd say, how in the world
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: did you keep letting this happen? And why in the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: world did you keep saying yes to it. That's a
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: very fair question that I think she's probably gonna get
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: asked over and over. However, they were generous and she
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: trusted him at this point, but she soon finds out
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: in the course of this relationship that he has a
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: severe gambling addiction. Still does not put the points together
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: to go I've been giving him money and he is
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: severe gambling addiction, and he goes to Gamblers Anonymous. He gets,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: you know, the help that she asked him to get,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: but she doesn't put it together yet that this money's
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: probably going to gambling.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: She's gotta be putting it together. She just still wants
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: to be with him.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: A gambler.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: That's like a toxic disease. Could it be like doing drugs?
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Like everyone has their vice, Like I can totally see
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: why a gambler would get addicted and then they want
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: to keep gambling because then they want to be like,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: now I can make the money back that I already lost.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: So I get how it could be a cycle and
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: is a serious problem.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent. It's also makes sense on why at
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: some points he needs three K, in some points he
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: needs one hundred and twenty K. It depends on how
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: he feels about whatever games he's playing or betting on,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: and how he thinks he can make this money back.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: There's this show that just came out in the movie
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: that just came out in Netflix with Colin Farrell about
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: this thing specifically, is he is addicted to the next win,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: to the bigger win, to the bigger win, to the
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: bigger win. And the thing with gamblers is even when
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: you win, you don't stop. That's why casinos make money.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: So do you think he's going to go to jail?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know how he could.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: What do you do illegally not giving the irs anything,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: owing them so much?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: What time out? Did he ever need? Like, did Dirs
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: actually ever want need his money? That was fake? Oh,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: that was fake. Yeah, he said it was frozen, that
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: his assets were frozen, that he couldn't get anything out,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and so that was a way for him to get
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: more money.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I'm being fooled. It was a way of him getting
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: more money for gambling.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't go to jail for lying.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You don't get to go to jail for livy. I'm saying, like,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know Anyaika and her family. Did they ever
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: have anything in writing, even on a piece of paper
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: saying that he was going to pay us back? Probably
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: not this money. Unfortunately, as bad as this is, I'm
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: not saying he shouldn't go to jail, like or that
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: he should you know that, goodness, this guy should not
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: be walking free. I'm just saying that I don't think
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: he actually did anything illegal.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: I think he did, but we don't know what it is.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, Okay, yeah, say at some point in his
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: life he has. But well, based on the information from
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: this story, can any of us actually say that he
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: did anything illegal? As much as that hurts to say.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: I feel like he did, like I think there's something
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: in there. I mean, conning people like for years and years.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: But she did say that, like he passed like the
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: background check, so that kind of like gave her some
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: reassurance that like things were moving along, especially like getting
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: a marriage license.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the background check did show that he never participated
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: in the Olympics. So that is another moment where she's like, oh,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: he's lying to but did he?
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: How did she not google him and to see my
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: immediately the Olympics. And he's definitely had a characters on
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: the internet if that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Stake family heritage page, so he was so committed to
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the life no way.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Apparently he also was doing like a lot of fake
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: screenshots saying like look I sent my money. I sent
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: the money back to your parents, and that's when she
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: started to really put it together. She was on a
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: bachelorette trip and that's when he was supposed to have
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: gotten the good news from the IRS that his business
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: account was not frozen. It actually has three hundred thousand
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: in it. So he's going to wire ten k to
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: her mom, I think for the wedding dress, to put
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: down a deposit on the dress, and the money still
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: hasn't hit her account after a few days, and this
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: is when she confronts him and she's like, so, what
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: has all this been a lie? And that's when she
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: realized that he's been sending the fake screenshots to make
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: it look like he was sending money.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: What a sure.
• 26:07
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• 26:11
  Speaker 8: This week, I'm so excited to welcome my friend Gabrielle
• 26:15
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• 26:19
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• 26:20
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• 26:22
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• 26:25
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• 26:27
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• 26:41
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  Speaker 1: From the podcast Magical Rewind, and we have a very
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• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Well, this guy is pretty good at what he does, though,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: because another story came out in the midst of this
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that there was a friend of his he had taken
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars from this person and had not
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: paid it back. I don't know about you, guys, I
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: never have claimed to be the most talented human in
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the world. I did work in sales for a period
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: in my life. I couldn't think of one person that
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I could convince to give me one thousand dollars, let
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: alone two hundred thousand dollars. That is a crazy amount
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: of money. And then go off and do it again
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: tuan Yeka and her family and her friends, and do
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: it even though definitely evil, not okay, but do it
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: successfully over and over and over again.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Well, he was probably saying, like, I have this business,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: do you want to invest in it? And he went
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: to like a big wig.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: It started that way. Definitely did this. You know, TikTok
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: has blown up, and as we mentioned, they do end
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: up getting in this fight over the confrontation of hey,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: the money's not coming through, what's going on? And he says,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I'm over and I'm tired of all the questions. This
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: is done. The divorce starts, but at that point he's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: already gotten what he wanted, right, he got the money,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and Anyaika goes through the divorce process and as Zachary mentioned,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: she does the Danish deception on TikTok. Following the divorce's finalization.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: It's blown up. Think it should be more blown up
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: than it is. I think this is one of the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: wilder stories that we've heard in a long time, especially
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: coming out of Bachelor Nation.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: I know, like we need to talk about the fact
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: that she was on the Bachelor, Like this is amazing
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: for people that don't remember, Like she was on Colton season,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: and she had a lot of drama on the season,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: like she was vibrant and fun.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Please remind us what that drama was. I remember there
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: was drama around here, but I don't remember what it
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: specifically was.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Everyone's been watching these YouTube clips from like nine years ago.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: But basically, like Alease, this girl on the show went
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: home and Alise basically told Onyeka that there was a
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: conversation that Nicole wasn't on the show for the right
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: reasons and wanted opportunities to get out of Miami. And
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: then Elise got sent home at the rost ceremony. So
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: then Anyaka took it upon herself to tell Colton what
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Elise said, like at the next thir day, and then
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: that kind of got confronted in the group. Nicole started
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: crying and they were going back and forth like neither
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: one of them would shut up for like two days
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: that Colton just sent both of them home.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I remembering about it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Ben knows a lease that's where he got his dog from.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: And then she went to Bachelor in Paradise and she
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: kind of was nosy in that too. That was the
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: season with like Blake and Hannah g so like Caylin.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: So she was kind of like in her little nose
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: and everything, but you know, she was harmless.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: She didn't find love.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: She actually sent herself home at a row ceremony and
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: just said, I don't see anyone here for me.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: And then she also was on Coming Out Colton Colton's
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: you know Coming Out Netflix Stock series, and that's when
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Colton told her that the reason she really was sent
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: home is because she was too smart in figuring out
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: that he was secretly gay, and that's why she went
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: home when she did.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Did she really figure that out?
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: She was like getting skeptical or Colton was insecure that
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: she would be the first one to kind of figure
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: it out. Obviously he was hiding himself. So she even
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: got flack for that too, because a lot of the
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: girls were like mad at Colton for everything that happened
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: with Cassie. But you know, she was the only one
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: to agree to film Coming Out Coulton because maybe other
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: people were.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Asked, well, hold up, Yes, she could have just been
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: like a stand in kind of to represent all the
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: girls in that docuseries. But if what he's saying is legit,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: she has apparently pretty good intuition.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Exactly, and she has the background in homes right like
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: she does background checks her finance stuff. So she really
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm sure she feels like an idiot and
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: all she can do now is tell her story. I'm
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: sure she's gonna make money from this and hopefully, you know,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: there's love coming for her in the future.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I know. I know she's mentioned that the feedback has
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: been tough because there's been this victim shaming kind of
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: mentality coming through. I don't look at it. I mean,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I think she's still the victim here. I'm not seeing
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: this as anything like she got to tell her story.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Her story is one that's captivating. But I do think
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: it's fair that her story brings up quite question of
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: how does this happen? Which I think she probably expected
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to get, not the part of him stealing all this
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: money is sad and shocking, But I think for me,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: the most interesting part is how, like, how does it
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: happen over and over and over again? And I don't
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: want that to come off as a victim shaming. I'm
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: not saying that she's wrong in this by any means.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, how, like, how does it happen for
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: so long that you don't see it right?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: And that's why everyone's mad at her, Like, the reason
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: she's getting flat is because everyone's like, you're an idiot,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: wake up hello, Like you're too old and educated to
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: be ignoring these blatant red flags. So I think that's
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: why a lot of the criticism is coming. There's been
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: a lot of TikTokers making videos of recapping her story,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Like I feel like I've seen it a lot on
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: my algorithm the last couple of weeks, and I'm still
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: invested in it and dying to see what happens next.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: I have my notifications on, So I really hope that
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: she gets picked up by like a docu series and
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: we can really see like the whole movie. And I
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: really hope we get to hear from the guy soon.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we ever will, but I'm interested,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: you know where his whereabouts are and what he's going
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: to do next, because this is the first time that
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: his life has maybe been blown up. He's obviously been
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: conning people for a decade, but this is the first
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: time someone's really calling him out for it. So I
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: don't know how that will affect his life.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: He's an idiot in because he never saw that, Hey,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I'm dating a girl with a following m hmm. This
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: could backfire, like this could this could backfire. I no
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: longer get to do this in the secrets and the
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: hidden places. Yeah, you know, the world may know.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: He had everyone He had an yaka block her his
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: ex girlfriend, like all these people from Denmark. She blocked
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: all these people on Instagram because he made her do
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: it in the beginning of their relationship. So he was
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: like really ahead of making sure that she had no
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: communication with anyone that knew his past.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: And let's just also point out that just this month,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: because we said that he was doing the scams, it
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: was actually with the hooker. He was spotted with a
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: hooker taking out cash at ATM.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: He can only go down from here. I mean I.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Would imagine in the connected world that we're in today,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: it will be very hard for him, especially if somebody
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: picks this up, to navigate in the world. We don't
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: know where the tender Swindler is these days. I mean,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I guess I could probably find out. I haven't like
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: investigated it, but I'm assuming that it's harder and harder
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: for con artists like this to navigate in the world
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: and to find people to take advantage of in this way.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Once you know, social media like this, you know gets
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: picked up. She also mentions, and I do think this
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: is a fair point that some of the shame that
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: she's been feeling from the responses on her show, this
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: is why people stay quiet. Uh yeah, I don't, at
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: least from this conversation, Like none of us here are
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: saying that Ayaka was in the wrong, and we're saying
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: her story is so captivating that it brings up questions
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: that are obvious and what we want answered more not
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: as much as the specifics and the details of their timeline,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: but the like inner dialogues that are going on is
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: what's interesting to me of how easily we can be
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: convinced to do something. Anyaika, we're on your team here.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: We just got some questions that we want to ask
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: you at some.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Point for sure, And I think she'll the story is
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: going to continue to unravel. You know, she's still posting
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: on TikTok about it.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: It was I think it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Was a twenty six or twenty eight part series and
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: then she just stopped counting and just started talking about
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: other things. But you know, she's gotten a lot of
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: support too, and oh yeah, I think she'll grow from this,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: and you know she'll make the money back with this
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: newfound clout.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I hope.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna throw something else back out there. Do
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: we think that maybe she was catching on and then thought, well,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I'm already married to this jackass. Maybe I should just
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: continue it.
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  Speaker 7: For the lore.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Maybe she can be a connartist with him.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I'm doing it for the plot.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: There's no shot the one. You have to You have
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to predict that this story could be captivating enough to
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: capture the attention of somebody that would pay you to
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, she probably watched the Resa Tisa thing that
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: woman got. She has like her own plenty of things
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: going on now, and she had like the most normal
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: job beforehand, and then she just happened to be a
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: perfect personality, and then two years later, you know she's
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: involved in media. I'm just spitfiring.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I know it would be a wild, a wild thought.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think cool things are happening in my life.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: To think I could turn them into a television show
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: never comes to mind. And so maybe I just don't
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: see that. But this is a big story, and maybe
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: she did at some point say I see this and
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to wait. It was obviously strategic that she
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: waited until the divorce was finalized to post these videos.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Now I do believe she will capitalize and for the
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars that are gone, I hope she
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: gets paid at least that from this experience and is
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: able to disperse those funds to all of those people
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: in her family and close network that also was, you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: victims of the Danish deception.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: And I just I just want to finish by saying,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I'm just having fun. I'm sure she didn't do this
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: on purpose. Okay, it's just maybe she let it linger
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: a little longer.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: There are so many questions actually that come up. This
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: This is not clear cut. This is not one of
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: those stories. But I remember remember watching the Tinder Swindler
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: and saying the same thing, how in the world do
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: you let this happen? Like, how do you not see it?
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: And con artists and the manipulators are really good at
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: blinding people to the game that they're playing, and then
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: at some point that game ends, and at some point
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: every time they get caught or the manipulator gets tired.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: So many lies bouncing around in this world, and so
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: many things happening in this world, how in the world
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: do you keep track of it all? Yeah, and the
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: light comes to the surface. And now we're getting the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: story from on Yaka Bachelor Nation, wild stories coming out
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: of out of this little family. We'll hopefully get on
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yaka on. We did request some time with her. She
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: is working on a few things and unable to join
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: us at this moment, but we will continue to follow
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: up with her to try to get her on the show,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: to ask her some of the questions that we just
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: want to ask, to help understand, and to teach all
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: of us how we and you listeners maybe don't fall
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: into the same trap we did have. Zachary Reality here today. Zachary,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: if you don't mind promoting the projects you work on.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: You.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: We have you on here because we love following you
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: and listening to you and paying attention to the updates
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: that you give. But if you can give all of
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: our listeners kind of some spots that they can listen
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: more to you.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just find me Zachary Reality Everywhere. I have so
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: many events and carpets coming up, and I'm in Miami
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: this week for Art bassal So I am super excited
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: to go out on the town. I do want to say, Ashley,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: I am so excited that you're on the Real Housepisto
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: of Rhode Island.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: I am treading out about it. I watch all the Housewives.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: I literally love Bravo.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Doesn't surprise me.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: I was Atocon this year and a lot of people
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: were really excited that you were on it. Toot fans.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I do think that you might get eaten alive.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: The houselves are so tough, and you know, we do
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: know that you're very sensitive. So I'm excited to see
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: you cry again on TV. It's been a minute.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you so much.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, I can't wait. I can't wait to see Ashley cry.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Wait you never Oh yeah, everywhere, just Google search Zachary Reality. Yeah,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: you're at all the events, the carpets, you're breaking down
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: all the stories coming out of pop culture. You're doing
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: a great job at it. Thanks for joining us today
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: breaking down the Danish deception here on the Almost Famous Podcast.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Until next time. I've been Ben, I've.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Been Ashley see you guys, and I've been Zachary. Yay,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: he gets it.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: He's good.
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