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Birds Weekly: "This Was Kind Of A Statement Win" For Philadelphia Eagles · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello again, everybody. Welcome to this edition of Birds Weekly,
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Speaker 1: presented by the Inside the Birds. That word for my man,
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Speaker 1: my friend, my colleague, Ray Deninger. I'm Derek Gunn. We
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Speaker 1: are hitched the home stretch of the twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: NFL season. And Wow, what a game it was in Buffalo.
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Speaker 1: Nail bider, hearts, stopping highs and lows, miscues, you name it.
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Speaker 1: This game entailed it all. And Ray, the first thing
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Speaker 1: I have to ask you is did the Eagles win
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Speaker 1: this game? Or did Buffalo lose this game? I mean
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Speaker 1: a thirty yard fumble, a blocked extra point, Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: getting tackled at the goal line, a failed two point
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Speaker 1: conversion when they should have gone for the extra point
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Speaker 1: and gone to overtime because the Eagles defense was gassed.
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Speaker 1: So I ask you again, my friend, did the Eagles
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Speaker 1: win this game or the Bills lose this game?
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Speaker 2: It's an interesting way to look at it, because you could,
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Speaker 2: I mean, you really could look at it that way.
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Speaker 2: I would, I would probably say, and it's hard to
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Speaker 2: say that you won the game when you didn't complete
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Speaker 2: a pass in the whole second half. Oh, I would say.
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Speaker 2: And we'll get to that, But I would say the
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Speaker 2: Eagles won the game with their defense. I would say
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Speaker 2: that if you asked me what was the difference in
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Speaker 2: this game, it was the Eagles defense. I mean they
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Speaker 2: played they played really good. I mean, they've been very
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Speaker 2: good all year, with the exception Chicago game, They've been
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Speaker 2: really good all year, but I think this might have
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Speaker 2: been their best. I mean, to shut down a team
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Speaker 2: like the Bills that were averaging twenty nine points a game,
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Speaker 2: number one rushing offense in football, I mean to shut
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Speaker 2: them down the way they shut them down. Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: would say the Eagles won this game. I really would,
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Speaker 2: and I think it was kind of a statement a
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Speaker 2: win for them going into the postseason. I know that
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are saying, you know, they've got
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Speaker 2: the Division one, they're in the playoffs, it's not that
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Speaker 2: big a deal. But no, I think I think it was.
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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it was. You know, went over went
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Speaker 2: over the Raiders, Okay, went over Washington. Okay, if they
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Speaker 2: did some things that looked good, but come on, those
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Speaker 2: teams are what they are. I mean, this was going
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Speaker 2: on the road and playing Buffalo in Buffalo in December,
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Speaker 2: where they never lose up there, at that time of
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Speaker 2: the year. I mean they had they had a run
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Speaker 2: of twenty six and two in games late December games
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Speaker 2: up in that stadium, So nobody goes up there and
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Speaker 2: beats them. But for the Eagles to do that, I
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Speaker 2: think that was a big win. So, yeah, you can
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Speaker 2: look at it both ways, but the way I look
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Speaker 2: at it was, to me, this was a w for
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Speaker 2: the Eagles defense.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent. Let's stay on
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Speaker 1: at defense. I think right now, Ray, this this defense
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Speaker 1: is playoff ready. I think this defense is playing as
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Speaker 1: well as any defense in the National Football League. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they sacked Josh Allen five times. They harassed him all
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Speaker 1: day long, forced him to throw passes a little bit
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Speaker 1: sooner than he wanted to, head, moving his feet a
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Speaker 1: lot more than he probably wanted to. And the thing
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Speaker 1: I love about this unit, Ray, is you know, when
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Speaker 1: you look at a lot of top defenses, they rely
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Speaker 1: on maybe two or three guys to make significant plays
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Speaker 1: in games. This is a unit that doesn't rely on
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Speaker 1: just a few guys. It's a complete unit that compliments
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Speaker 1: each other very well, no matter who's on that field,
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Speaker 1: no matter how many rotations they put on a football field.
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Speaker 1: It's a unit that compliments each other well, from the
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Speaker 1: trenches to the linebackers to the back end of this defense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they don't have the one big sack guy.
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Speaker 2: You know, they don't have one big guy that's got
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Speaker 2: nineteen twenty twenty one sacks. But as a unit's week thirteen,
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Speaker 2: they have the most sacks in the NFL. I don't
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Speaker 2: know how many people realize that, but they do. I mean,
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Speaker 2: since week thirteen, they have twenty sacks, which is more
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Speaker 2: than any other team in the league. So they're getting
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Speaker 2: they're getting pressure, and they're getting a pass rush, and
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Speaker 2: it's not just from one guy, but it's from the
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Speaker 2: whole unit. And you know, that's what you need, whether
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Speaker 2: it's from one guy or whether it's from your whole defense.
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Speaker 2: That's the kind of pressure that you need to beat
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Speaker 2: the kinds of quarterbacks you're going to see in the postseason,
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Speaker 2: you know. And I always I remember one time interviewing
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Speaker 2: Bill Walsh, the great Bill Walsh, and asking him what
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Speaker 2: he considered to be the single most defining characteristic of
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Speaker 2: winning football games in a National Football League. And I
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Speaker 2: expected him to say something about the offense, because he
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Speaker 2: is the father of the West Coast offense. I mean
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Speaker 2: all that stuff in s Francisco. You always think about
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Speaker 2: him and that beautiful rhythm passing game that he built
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Speaker 2: out there. His answer to me was that the thing
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Speaker 2: that in his mind that determined winning and losing football
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Speaker 2: games was pass rush in the fourth quarter. He said,
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Speaker 2: that's he said, if you asked me, what is the
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Speaker 2: criteria and the defining characteristic of teams that win championships
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Speaker 2: is not the offensive side of the ball, it's pass
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Speaker 2: rush in the fourth quarter, being able to get pressure
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Speaker 2: on the on the on the other team's passer at
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Speaker 2: that critical moment of the game. I always found that interesting,
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Speaker 2: and it's sort of just reinforced what I was thinking
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Speaker 2: that here you have the master of all offense and
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Speaker 2: pro football starting in the eighties and carrying on, and
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Speaker 2: yet he's talking about what wins games is the guys
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Speaker 2: on the other side and their ability to get pressure
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Speaker 2: and break down my offense. And that's true. And right now,
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Speaker 2: with the way they're playing and the kind of contributions
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Speaker 2: they're getting from all those guys up there on multiple levels,
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Speaker 2: then you know they're they're going into the playoffs well armed.
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Speaker 2: I think you know, they're they're going to be They're
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Speaker 2: going to be a very tough out in the postseason.
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Speaker 2: You know, the offense. You worry about the offense a
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Speaker 2: little bit, how many points will they be able to score,
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Speaker 2: move the ball, that kind of thing, But their defense
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Speaker 2: will keep them in every game.
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Speaker 1: You know, Ray, you mentioned words like sacks, pass rush pressure.
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Speaker 1: The five sacks they got on Josh Allen on Sunday
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Speaker 1: was with the four men front, the twenty sacks they've
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Speaker 1: gotten over the last five games, four man front. If
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Speaker 1: they can get that kind of consistent pressure on quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: in the playoff where they can drop seven back in
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Speaker 1: coverage in flood lanes and zones, so quarterbacks can't fine
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Speaker 1: guys sitting down in holes or timing routes, taking away
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Speaker 1: crossing routes or curl in routes. Man, that's a huge
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Speaker 1: advantage for this team is they start to play some
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Speaker 1: of these upper echelon quarterbacks in the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. And you know one of the things
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Speaker 2: that and that was I noticed that that it was
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Speaker 2: it was pressure from the down four. That's where he
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Speaker 2: was getting it from. And that's that's the way Vic
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Speaker 2: Vangio likes to play. I mean, he's not a guy
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Speaker 2: if if you look at over the course really of
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Speaker 2: his whole career, in the many stops that he's had
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Speaker 2: for as effective as he has been and how consistently
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Speaker 2: his defenses regardless of wherever he is, they're always in
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Speaker 2: the top ten somewhere. But if you look at his
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Speaker 2: blitz ratio, the amount of times that he sends extra
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Speaker 2: rushers very low. I mean, he he doesn't want to
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Speaker 2: play that game. He wants to get pressure with his
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Speaker 2: front four and then play coverage. Sometimes personnel doesn't allow
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Speaker 2: you to do that. There are even times sometimes this
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Speaker 2: year when you saw him blitzing a little more than
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Speaker 2: we normally would. But what you saw in this game
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Speaker 2: is really kind of the way he wants to play.
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Speaker 2: And that's the way they're playing going into the postseason.
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Speaker 2: And I mean they got I think you're right. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Josh Allen never looked comfortable in this game. Now, part
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Speaker 2: of it. Part of it was it was clear to
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Speaker 2: me that his the foot injury, even though he was
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Speaker 2: playing on it, it was it was bothering him. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you he's the guy that always likes to move around
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Speaker 2: and he makes a lot of big plays pass plays
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Speaker 2: outside the pocket. He didn't make any pass plays outside
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Speaker 2: the pocket in this game. Thirty five passes he threw.
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Speaker 2: We're all from in the pocket. Now, he got out
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Speaker 2: of the pocket and ran some, but he didn't get
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Speaker 2: outside the pocket and hurt you with the pass. So
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Speaker 2: he was kind of a station a little bit more
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Speaker 2: of a stationary target than he normally is. And the
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Speaker 2: Eagles pass rush took advantage of that, and they were
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Speaker 2: on him all the time. I just I found it interesting.
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Speaker 2: I saw a stat that the Eagles are now the
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Speaker 2: only team that Josh Allen has never beaten. He is
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Speaker 2: zero to three lifetime against Eagles. He's beaten everybody else,
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Speaker 2: but he has never beaten the Eagles. And he almost
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Speaker 2: pulled it off this time. I mean that that final play,
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Speaker 2: that final two point conversion, if he make if he
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Speaker 2: if he throws the ball on target, he would have
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Speaker 2: won this game. But wasn't quite able to pull it off.
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Speaker 2: But I think you saw that he was. In fact,
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Speaker 2: I read a story in the Buffalo paper today that
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Speaker 2: said that when he came off the field, and you've
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Speaker 2: been to that stadium in Buffalo with the Old Rich Stadium,
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Speaker 2: and you know, when you come off the field, you
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Speaker 2: go up that ram uh and both it's it's an
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Speaker 2: unusual setup because both of the locker rooms are there.
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Speaker 2: You know, normally one team is at one end of
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Speaker 2: the stadium and the other team is in Buffalo. Both
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Speaker 2: teams have to go up up the tunnel together, and
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Speaker 2: one team's dressing room was on the right and one
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Speaker 2: team's dressing room was on the left. But when the
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Speaker 2: when the Bills went, when all the players went up there,
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Speaker 2: that all the Bills went in the locker room and
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Speaker 2: Josh Allen did not. He went straight to the x
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Speaker 2: ray room. UH, and they took him in and they
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Speaker 2: x rayed his foot because it was it was clear
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Speaker 2: that he was really hurting at the end of the
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Speaker 2: game and they wanted to make sure that he hadn't
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Speaker 2: re injured it. And Scott and Sean Sean McDermott said
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Speaker 2: in his press conference that the x rays were negative
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Speaker 2: and there was no further damage, so he'll be he'll
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Speaker 2: be good to go in the playoffs. But that's how
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Speaker 2: bad it was that when he came up the tunnel,
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Speaker 2: he didn't even go to the dressing room. He went
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Speaker 2: straight in to get more X rays.
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Speaker 1: You know, right, the the art of tackling has been
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Speaker 1: a lost start at the NFL level for for years.
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Speaker 1: But this Eagles team is such a good tackling team.
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Speaker 1: They could put a video together and when it comes
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Speaker 1: to form tackling and send them out to high school
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Speaker 1: colleges and even other pro teams and show them the
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Speaker 1: correct procedure for tackling. Early on in the season, we
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Speaker 1: were talking about how shoddy their tackling was. Whatever Vic
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Speaker 1: Fangio got these guys to do, I'd say the last
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Speaker 1: five or six games. Man, they don't miss, and especially
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Speaker 1: Cooper Degene, but as a unit, they don't miss when
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Speaker 1: it comes to tackling. They get the shoulder pad where
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Speaker 1: it needs to be, to get their hands where it
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Speaker 1: needs to be, and if they get their hands on you,
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Speaker 1: nine times out of ten you're not getting away from
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Speaker 1: them and it gets you on the turf.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I mean the only game early in
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Speaker 2: the season, the tackling, I wouldn't say it was poor,
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Speaker 2: but you felt that it could be better. Once they
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Speaker 2: sort of hit their stride at mid season, it just
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Speaker 2: got better by the week. Now, the only game that
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Speaker 2: was an outlier was Chicago game. I mean that was
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Speaker 2: a game where as and especially in the second half
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Speaker 2: of that game, they it's they tackled poorly. I mean
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Speaker 2: there's and they and you know, pick FANGI will be
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Speaker 2: the first one to tell you that that they tackled
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Speaker 2: poorly in that game. Other than that, you're right, Uh,
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Speaker 2: in a league where and if you watch all the
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Speaker 2: games on you know, on Thursday, Saturdays, whatever days they play,
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Speaker 2: you you look around the league and you watch the
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Speaker 2: other teams play, tackling around the league is is not good.
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Speaker 2: I mean the Eagles stand out. When you watch the
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Speaker 2: Eagles defense, you you look a recognize right away. Boy,
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Speaker 2: these guys can really tackle. And in a league where
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Speaker 2: people don't tackle, well, that's a good quality to have.
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Speaker 2: And when you watch the Eagles, you see that they're
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Speaker 2: a lot different than these other teams. They're they're fast,
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Speaker 2: they're physical, and technically they're really good at the at
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Speaker 2: the art of tackling. And you mentioned Degene. Degene is
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Speaker 2: a great tackler. He is really really good. Uh. And
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Speaker 2: Nicole Dean, you know, I thought Nakobe Dean is a
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Speaker 2: terrific tackler, but anybody saw him play at Georgia, you
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Speaker 2: knew that, and early in the season when he was
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Speaker 2: not out there. That was early in the season where
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Speaker 2: the tackling seemed just a little off. They weren't as
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Speaker 2: good as crisp a defensive team. When he came in
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Speaker 2: and he was playing off off ball linebacker and you
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Speaker 2: got him on the field, it just seemed to make
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Speaker 2: everybody better because that's the thing he does best, is
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Speaker 2: that tackling. He's really good at that. And when he
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Speaker 2: came back, I think it picked up the defensive play
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Speaker 2: of the whole unit. Now we'll see, you know, he
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Speaker 2: didn't play in this game. I don't suspect that they're
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Speaker 2: going to play against Washington, so he'll probably he'll probably
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Speaker 2: get him back on the field for the playoffs, but
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Speaker 2: you know, when he comes back, obviously, that's another really
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Speaker 2: important part of the thing. And also he developed this
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Speaker 2: year in a way really good blitzer. I mean there
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Speaker 2: were a couple of games there where Fangio really unleashed
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Speaker 2: him as an a gap blitzer to great effect. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he was really good at it. So if I know,
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Speaker 2: Vic would prefer to get four man pressure, but if
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Speaker 2: you get into a game where you need a little
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Speaker 2: bit extra got the Kobe did out there. Has proven
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Speaker 2: himself to be a guy that not just gets your
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Speaker 2: pressure off the edge, but get your pressure right up
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Speaker 2: the middle, which is the worst kind of pressure for
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Speaker 2: a quarterback to deal with.
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Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of getting back in the field, good to
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Speaker 1: see Jalen Carter back in the trenches. He had a sack.
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Speaker 1: He had a huge blocked extra point. At the time,
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Speaker 1: you didn't know how big that was going to be,
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Speaker 1: but man, that was a big blocked extra point. Second
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Speaker 1: time this season he's blocked extra point or field goal.
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Speaker 1: This defensive you and had played very well without him,
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Speaker 1: but Ray, when he's in the trenches, the way he
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Speaker 1: collapses a pocket, this defense takes his game to another
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Speaker 1: level with him battling in the trenches down there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you I would say that this. I think everybody
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Speaker 2: expected him because he was so good last year. I
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Speaker 2: think everybody expected him to take his game up to
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Speaker 2: another level and be a dominant player for seventeen weeks
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Speaker 2: this year, and I think largely because of the injuries,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't that. But you saw in this game now
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Speaker 2: that he had taken some he had missed some games.
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Speaker 2: He had a chance to rest up, get treatment on
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Speaker 2: his shoulders that he came back, and he really kind
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Speaker 2: of resembled Dylan Carter that we remember last year and
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Speaker 2: especially in the postseason. And yeah, when he's playing that way,
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Speaker 2: he's a huge difference maker. And the big sack that
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Speaker 2: he got on Allen in this game is just I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's evidence of why you can't if you're an offensive
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Speaker 2: coordinator or an offensive line coach, under no circumstance, can
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Speaker 2: you try and block him with one guy, you know,
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Speaker 2: And that's what you saw there. I think the Eagles
15:55
Speaker 2: came out with sort of a six man look which
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Speaker 2: kind of spread out the protection and gave Carter a
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Speaker 2: rare one on one with the guard and he just
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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy had no chance and and nor
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Speaker 2: did Josh Allen. I mean when he came through. When
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Speaker 2: he came through there, it was it was a big
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Speaker 2: time sack. That's getting him back, You're right. I mean
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Speaker 2: they were able to weather it pretty well with the
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Speaker 2: guys in their defensive line. And full credit to Ojomo
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Speaker 2: and Jordan Davis playing a ton of snaps in there,
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Speaker 2: you know, And you're a good friend, Brandon Graham playing
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Speaker 2: the tackle position. I mean they they more than got by.
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Speaker 2: I mean they did well. But this guy, everybody knows
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Speaker 2: what he is and everybody knows how he can take
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Speaker 2: a game over, and you saw evidence of that the
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Speaker 2: other day. I thought that. I thought Brady made an
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Speaker 2: interesting point in his commentary when on the on the
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Speaker 2: block Pat, when you saw the effort that Carter made,
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Speaker 2: I mean coming through and then jumping and getting that
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Speaker 2: kind of extension and tipping the ball. You know, Brady
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Speaker 2: made a point about these are the kinds of things
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Speaker 2: that really good teams do. They never they play every
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Speaker 2: snap to the hill. You know, sometimes you see a
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Speaker 2: team they give up a touchdown, the other team's lining
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Speaker 2: up for an extra point. You know, guys just kind
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Speaker 2: of push and they they're not really busting it to
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Speaker 2: try and block the pat because we know what are
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Speaker 2: the chances you're going to block it? Right, But really
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Speaker 2: really good teams, they really really hungry teams are trying
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Speaker 2: to win a championship. They're playing all out to get
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Speaker 2: to try and block that PAT. And it doesn't seem
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Speaker 2: at the time like it's that big a deal. It's
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Speaker 2: one sticking point, but in a game like this, you
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Speaker 2: saw what a difference that that made. I mean that
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Speaker 2: block changed all the decision making in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 2: And that's what you get when teams are giving you
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent effort on every snap.
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Speaker 1: So we go from the highest of highs to the
21:09
Speaker 1: lowest of lows and Ray. We have to talk about
21:13
Speaker 1: this lethargic offense. You know, the first half of this game,
21:18
Speaker 1: I honestly thought it would be a carryover from the
21:21
Speaker 1: Raiders in Washington game and that this offense was clicking
21:26
Speaker 1: in that first half. I mean, they were against some
21:28
Speaker 1: real estate in the running game, they were making a
21:32
Speaker 1: few passes that they had to make to sustain drives.
21:35
Speaker 1: They went to the locker room with the thirteen to
21:37
Speaker 1: zhing league, and then all of a sudden, Ray the
21:40
Speaker 1: second half comes around. This team can't stay on the field,
21:45
Speaker 1: they can't move the chains, they can't run the football
21:49
Speaker 1: on a defensive front that was giving up one hundred
21:52
Speaker 1: and forty four yards a game on the ground. And Ray.
21:57
Speaker 1: For the life of me, I don't know how to
21:59
Speaker 1: describe what I saw for the last thirty minutes. How
22:02
Speaker 1: do you have the football only eight minutes and forty
22:04
Speaker 1: five seconds. Some people are trying to say, well, the
22:07
Speaker 1: weather was bad, Buffalo played the same weather. They sustained
22:10
Speaker 1: drives in that fourth quarter when they had to. This
22:13
Speaker 1: offense could not sustain a drive to save its life.
22:17
Speaker 2: I don't get it, Ray, Yeah, I kind of thought
22:22
Speaker 2: the way you felt. I thought the offense in the
22:25
Speaker 2: first half. Yeah, I mean, they had three consecutive possessions
22:29
Speaker 2: where they got points, where they moved the ball down
22:32
Speaker 2: the field and got some first downs, converted some third downs.
22:37
Speaker 2: You know, Hurts made some good tough throws under those
22:39
Speaker 2: conditions and touchdown field goal, field goal thirteen to nothing
22:44
Speaker 2: at the half. That's pretty good. You know, the offense
22:46
Speaker 2: looks pretty offense looks great, the defense looks great, and
22:49
Speaker 2: the offense looks pretty good. Well, you come out in
22:52
Speaker 2: the second half and the offense was a no show,
22:55
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you went the whole second half,
22:57
Speaker 2: didn't complete a pass, no first down in the second half.
23:01
Speaker 2: Now it's I thought that. I mean, it's this is
23:06
Speaker 2: oversimplifying it, but for the lack of a better way
23:09
Speaker 2: of explaining it, the play calling just got way too conservative.
23:14
Speaker 2: I thought this thing, and I think some of it
23:17
Speaker 2: was dictated by the conditions, which in the second half
23:20
Speaker 2: got worse. We saw that, and I think the other
23:23
Speaker 2: part of it was the field position where the drives
23:27
Speaker 2: were starting was not particularly good. And I think, you know,
23:32
Speaker 2: I think after that Chargers game, I think the coaches,
23:36
Speaker 2: the offensive coaches got together and just said, you know what,
23:42
Speaker 2: this is the only way we can lose games is
23:44
Speaker 2: if we turn the ball over. Can't do that, you know.
23:47
Speaker 2: So our strategy moving forward is we're just not going
23:50
Speaker 2: to turn the ball over and we're not going to
23:52
Speaker 2: ask our quarterback to do things that would lead to turnovers,
23:56
Speaker 2: you know. And I think that was especially with the
23:58
Speaker 2: weather conditions up there. I think that with Nick Sirianni
24:01
Speaker 2: and Kevin Bittulo and all the other offensive coaches, when
24:05
Speaker 2: they talked, they said, look, we're thirteen points, we're up,
24:08
Speaker 2: we're up two touchdowns here. The only way, the only
24:12
Speaker 2: way Buffalo Buffalo is not going to drive the ball
24:14
Speaker 2: down the field on our defense. The only way they're
24:16
Speaker 2: going to get back in the game is if we
24:18
Speaker 2: turn it to start taking some riskier plays, try and
24:22
Speaker 2: keep the offense open, you know, ask the quarterback to
24:24
Speaker 2: throw the ball more and make a couple of mistakes,
24:28
Speaker 2: give them some turnover and get them back in the game.
24:30
Speaker 2: I really think that that that a little bit of
24:33
Speaker 2: what happened in Los Angeles had stayed with them to
24:36
Speaker 2: the point where they just said, once we got the lead,
24:39
Speaker 2: we're not turn turnovers are going to beat us. We're
24:41
Speaker 2: not going to turn the ball over. And they sort
24:43
Speaker 2: of reverted into that way of thinking again. And in
24:45
Speaker 2: the second half they just shut it down. I mean,
24:47
Speaker 2: you saw some of it was just the play calling.
24:49
Speaker 2: I mean they had, uh you know, remember they had
24:53
Speaker 2: the one play they were like third and eleven or something,
24:56
Speaker 2: and they ran like a give up draw play to to.
25:00
Speaker 1: To the other the third running back Shipley.
25:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, they ran kind of a give up handoff play
25:10
Speaker 2: that there's no chance you have. There's no chance in
25:13
Speaker 2: the world you're gonna get a first down there. But
25:15
Speaker 2: they're just saying, look, well, let's run this and then
25:17
Speaker 2: we're gonna punt it. You know, we're not even thinking
25:19
Speaker 2: about trying to get a first down. We're just gonna
25:20
Speaker 2: run in a punt and instead of in that situation, Okay,
25:26
Speaker 2: it's not ideal if you're a third and long, but
25:30
Speaker 2: run some kind of a pass play and if there's
25:34
Speaker 2: and who knows, somebody might get open and you might
25:36
Speaker 2: convert it. But if it's not there, just have Hurts
25:39
Speaker 2: throw it away and then you're gonna punt it anyhow.
25:41
Speaker 2: But you know, okay, it's gonna be punting it from
25:44
Speaker 2: there instead of two yards forward. Give you, but at
25:47
Speaker 2: least give yourself a chance to convert the third down play.
25:49
Speaker 2: They didn't, so they weren't even thinking about that kind
25:52
Speaker 2: of thing. And I just don't know how you can
25:55
Speaker 2: do that when the team you're playing against is the
25:58
Speaker 2: team that's averaging twenty nine points a game, and their
26:02
Speaker 2: their calling card all year has been winning games coming
26:05
Speaker 2: from behind in the second half. Now you can just say,
26:08
Speaker 2: we'll just keep going three and out, three and out,
26:10
Speaker 2: three and out, three and out, and that's fine. Our
26:12
Speaker 2: defense is going to win it for us. Really, I
26:14
Speaker 2: almost came back to bite you at the end.
26:17
Speaker 1: You know you you mentioned play calling, but I will
26:22
Speaker 1: expand to that and say was it play calling or
26:25
Speaker 1: was it execution? Uh? Cam Jurgens looked like a matador
26:30
Speaker 1: with a cape in terms of letting d tackles just
26:33
Speaker 1: run by him. I thought Steen had the worst game
26:36
Speaker 1: he's had this season. I thought route running was poor.
26:40
Speaker 1: I thought guys were just you know, half asking when
26:43
Speaker 1: it comes the route running. Obviously, the running game had
26:48
Speaker 1: nowhere to go. I mean there were a number of
26:50
Speaker 1: times when the ball was snapped and a red jersey
26:54
Speaker 1: was in the backfield before Saquon even touched the ball,
26:58
Speaker 1: So you know, those players were not going anyway. So
27:01
Speaker 1: how much of it was play calling and comparison to
27:04
Speaker 1: how much of it was execution.
27:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it had to go hand in hand.
27:12
Speaker 2: I mean there was I think even Sirianni sort of
27:16
Speaker 2: alluded to that that the execution was poor. And it was,
27:20
Speaker 2: you know, for the offensive line that I thought had
27:24
Speaker 2: made some strides in the previous couple of weeks, I thought,
27:28
Speaker 2: especially the second half of that game was a step back.
27:32
Speaker 2: Jurgens really struggled, Steen really struggled. I mean it was
27:37
Speaker 2: that was really true. And you know, you win the game.
27:42
Speaker 2: It's a big win, a tough spot and a good
27:46
Speaker 2: win that keeps you alive for the number two seed.
27:50
Speaker 2: But you know that to me is the one worry
27:55
Speaker 2: that comes out of this is this offensive I mean,
27:59
Speaker 2: this is now this is now an ongoing thing for
28:02
Speaker 2: this whole season. This isn't like one week or oh
28:05
Speaker 2: that just kind of oh yeah, that was kind of
28:07
Speaker 2: a bad week. We've seen this now a number of
28:11
Speaker 2: times where there'll be a good half and then the
28:14
Speaker 2: next half the offense just turtles up, you know, and
28:18
Speaker 2: it's and then the defense is hanging on, fighting tooth
28:22
Speaker 2: and nail the whole second half to protect whatever lead.
28:24
Speaker 1: You have.
28:25
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, you've gotten this far, you won yourself
28:28
Speaker 2: eleven games, and you're into the playoffs. All well and good,
28:31
Speaker 2: but at some point you got to figure in the
28:35
Speaker 2: playoffs that that's going to get you. You know, you
28:40
Speaker 2: need your offense. The defense has given you four quarters
28:43
Speaker 2: every week. I mean, you can book that, but you
28:48
Speaker 2: need the offense to be give you four quarters too.
28:50
Speaker 2: If you're really, if you really fully intend to make
28:53
Speaker 2: another run and get back at the super Bowl and
28:55
Speaker 2: what you saw yesterday, Yeah, you got out of there
28:57
Speaker 2: with the win, But is that the kind of football
29:00
Speaker 2: it's gonna win for you in the postseason? Forget you
29:02
Speaker 2: a big game. Probably not.
29:05
Speaker 1: You know, there's too much talent, too much money tied
29:08
Speaker 1: into this offense for this offense to be that bland.
29:13
Speaker 1: You have a thousand yard rusher, you have a thousand
29:15
Speaker 1: yard receiver, you have another receiver who's about to pass
29:18
Speaker 1: a thousand yard mark in receiving. You have a two
29:20
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollar quarterback. Now, offensive line has
29:24
Speaker 1: been a problem, yes, which you still have talent along
29:27
Speaker 1: the offensive line as well. You could tell at the
29:30
Speaker 1: end of this game when Buffalo started putting its drives
29:33
Speaker 1: together that this Eagles defense, as well as it had
29:35
Speaker 1: played all game long, it was gassed. That's why I
29:39
Speaker 1: was a little bit surprised when Sean McDermott decided to
29:42
Speaker 1: go for two instead of taking extra point for us
29:44
Speaker 1: in the overtime and see if you can stick it
29:47
Speaker 1: to the Eagles in overtime. But as you just alluded to,
29:51
Speaker 1: you know, we've seen this too many times where the
29:53
Speaker 1: offense has been has had to be on the field
29:56
Speaker 1: way too long and yet make a play at at
29:59
Speaker 1: the most opportunit time to save the day for this offense.
30:03
Speaker 1: In the second season, you can't rely on that against
30:07
Speaker 1: several of these offenses you potentially could face, or you're
30:10
Speaker 1: gonna be one and done. Is that simple. You're gonna
30:12
Speaker 1: be one and done if this continues. This has been
30:15
Speaker 1: going on too long all season. And then to have
30:18
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni say after the game, well, you know, when
30:20
Speaker 1: things are going bad, the offense is stagnant, you know,
30:23
Speaker 1: I gotta have more conversations with the offensive coordinator on
30:25
Speaker 1: the sideline. Shouldn't you be doing it the whole game anyway?
30:28
Speaker 1: I mean, you should be doing it from the first
30:30
Speaker 1: game of the season, whether it's your OC or your DC.
30:33
Speaker 1: When the series is over, you talk to him about it.
30:36
Speaker 1: What's working, right, what do you think we need to do.
30:38
Speaker 1: That's part of your job as the as the architect
30:41
Speaker 1: of a football.
30:41
Speaker 2: Team, right. I agree. And to your point about Seawn's
30:47
Speaker 2: decision to go for the two right there, yeah, I
30:53
Speaker 2: was surprised. I was surprised. I understand sort of his
30:58
Speaker 2: saying was, you know, we had the moment them. You know,
31:00
Speaker 2: our offense was moving the ball, their defense was sort
31:04
Speaker 2: of on its heels and all that stuff. So I
31:06
Speaker 2: felt like, you got we can, we can, we can,
31:10
Speaker 2: we can win it right here, you know, and you
31:13
Speaker 2: put everything on one play. I I would not have
31:18
Speaker 2: done that. I would have kicked the pat taken it
31:21
Speaker 2: to overtime because the Eagles offense had shut down the
31:26
Speaker 2: Eagles even if they got with if even they got
31:28
Speaker 2: the ball in this in the overtime period, what are
31:31
Speaker 2: you going to do? I mean, how many times have
31:32
Speaker 2: you seen that? It's you know, wait, if you're going
31:34
Speaker 2: to flip the switch now and all of a sudden,
31:36
Speaker 2: the offense is gonna come out, it's going to start rolling.
31:38
Speaker 1: No.
31:39
Speaker 2: I mean, the offense to me was I had the
31:42
Speaker 2: feeling if you had to come back and play another
31:44
Speaker 2: quarter and the offense went back on the field was
31:45
Speaker 2: going to be the same thing. The offense was gone.
31:48
Speaker 2: Uh and whereas the Bills offense had been coming on.
31:52
Speaker 2: And I really think if that had gone to an
31:55
Speaker 2: extra period, I think Buffalo would have won.
31:57
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh.
31:58
Speaker 2: And but you know, Sewan decides to roll the dice
32:01
Speaker 2: on one play and then wound up losing it. But
32:04
Speaker 2: I was a little bit surprised by that decision. But
32:09
Speaker 2: to the bigger question here of what to do with
32:11
Speaker 2: the Eagles offense, it's you know, it's worrisome. And you
32:18
Speaker 2: talked about the high priced talent over there. Listen, you've
32:21
Speaker 2: got a lot more money invested, You've paid a lot
32:23
Speaker 2: more money for your offense and you have for your defense,
32:26
Speaker 2: I mean you, and so in terms of looking ahead
32:30
Speaker 2: for roster construction next year and how the salary cap
32:34
Speaker 2: is going to be allocated in things, you know, you
32:37
Speaker 2: got a lot of really really valuable young defensive players
32:41
Speaker 2: that you're going to have to sign and keep. You
32:43
Speaker 2: know how you're going to work that money out now
32:46
Speaker 2: because you've got a ton of money now on the
32:48
Speaker 2: offensive side. And this isn't a worry yet because you
32:53
Speaker 2: have this season to play out. But next year, when
32:56
Speaker 2: you start with the book keeping and the year after that,
32:59
Speaker 2: it's going to be a little bit more of a
33:00
Speaker 2: challenge because you've got a lot of really good young
33:02
Speaker 2: defensive players and that's a great thing to have, but
33:05
Speaker 2: you're gonna start paying them when the contract comes up,
33:08
Speaker 2: and how are you going to make that work with
33:10
Speaker 2: what you're paying the guys on the offense. That's going
33:12
Speaker 2: to be a challenge for Howie Roseman.
33:15
Speaker 1: Can can we take a moment to give some love
33:17
Speaker 1: to special teams play for the Eagles and two guys
33:19
Speaker 1: in particular. You look at brad Man seven punts, three
33:23
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eight total yards in punting he was
33:26
Speaker 1: averaging fifty five yards a punt. He hit one sixty five.
33:32
Speaker 2: Two sixty yarders in that weather, in.
33:36
Speaker 1: That weather, and he penned. He had two put two
33:38
Speaker 1: down inside the twenty in a game that was consisting
33:44
Speaker 1: of sloppy and Clement cole Weather. Field position was paramount,
33:51
Speaker 1: and man did he did. He put Buffalo in some
33:54
Speaker 1: long field positions and then Jake Elliott finally refinds his touch,
33:58
Speaker 1: he hits, he goes two to two in the field goal.
34:00
Speaker 1: If EBIs is one of those two, it's a different game.
34:03
Speaker 1: Special teams, to me, which has overlooked a lot of times,
34:06
Speaker 1: was integral in this particular game. Yeah.
34:09
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely. Special teams was huge. Uh. And I know
34:13
Speaker 2: there was a lot of talk this week when the
34:15
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl teams were announced. Yeah, and you know, the
34:19
Speaker 2: Eagles had their representatives and there was some talk about, oh,
34:24
Speaker 2: you know, Jordan Davis shouldn't you know, Jordan Davis had
34:27
Speaker 2: a real good case to make the team. I agree
34:29
Speaker 2: with that. Yeah, you Dallas Goddard maybe, I mean, I mean,
34:33
Speaker 2: you know, ten to eleven touchdown catches, that's a lot,
34:36
Speaker 2: you know, So there are a lot of people that said,
34:38
Speaker 2: you know, Why didn't he make the team? Why didn't
34:40
Speaker 2: he make the team? I was thinking about, man, I
34:43
Speaker 2: was thinking about it, is there is there a punter
34:45
Speaker 2: in this in the NFC that's been better and more
34:48
Speaker 2: consistent he has over the course of the season. I mean,
34:51
Speaker 2: nobody ever talks about him. And we do talk about
34:54
Speaker 2: Elliott from time to time, but nobody ever mentions the punter.
34:56
Speaker 2: And he has been great. And I mean it was
35:00
Speaker 2: never more evident than yesterday because, as you said, on
35:03
Speaker 2: a day like that, with the weather being what it was,
35:06
Speaker 2: you knew that this was going to be a game
35:07
Speaker 2: where field position was going to be huge. And he,
35:12
Speaker 2: I mean, he was a big factor in the Eagles
35:15
Speaker 2: doing that. And I mean the play that the play
35:19
Speaker 2: that drove me crazy was the one where he punts
35:22
Speaker 2: the ball and just kills it dead at the one
35:26
Speaker 2: yard line. It's like, I mean, it was like it
35:29
Speaker 2: was like a tiger Woods. It was like a tiger
35:31
Speaker 2: Wood six iron, stopping like six inches from the cup.
35:35
Speaker 2: You know, he punts it sixty yards and spins it dead.
35:40
Speaker 2: That that ball, Derek, that ball is dead. It's not
35:43
Speaker 2: even moving. It's laying at the one yard line. And
35:46
Speaker 2: one of his own teammates, comes down, picks it up
35:49
Speaker 2: and steps on the goal line and instead of giving
35:52
Speaker 2: Buffalo the ball as like the six inch line, which
35:54
Speaker 2: is right where it was, you give it to him
35:57
Speaker 2: at the twenty. I mean, that was a huge That
36:00
Speaker 2: was a huge twenty yards you just gave away there.
36:03
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sure that when when Mike Clavey,
36:07
Speaker 2: the special teams coach, has all those guys in the room,
36:11
Speaker 2: that that that that they're going to talk about that play.
36:13
Speaker 2: You gotta use. You gotta be so smarter than that.
36:16
Speaker 2: You know, man could not have kicked a better ball.
36:19
Speaker 2: And one of his guys down down downfield makes just
36:24
Speaker 2: a bonehead play and given and winds up giving Buffalo
36:28
Speaker 2: a twenty yards twenty yard break and field position.
36:31
Speaker 1: You know. So now we're down to the final game
36:35
Speaker 1: of the regular season and the two seed is still
36:38
Speaker 1: very much in play after Chicago lost a thriller, what
36:42
Speaker 1: a game that was in San Francisco on Sunday night.
36:46
Speaker 1: So the Eagles are going to close out the regular
36:48
Speaker 1: season against Washington. The team is going nowhere, obviously, but
36:51
Speaker 1: a team that's playing four jobs and a team that
36:55
Speaker 1: is still still seething after an incident that happened a
36:59
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago against the Eagles when they decided
37:02
Speaker 1: to go for two points in a game that was
37:04
Speaker 1: already decided, right, and then Quinn, the head coach, says,
37:07
Speaker 1: you know, that's how they roll, and we'll see him
37:10
Speaker 1: again in two weeks. I expect this. I expect this
37:14
Speaker 1: to be a little bit on the extracurriculus side as
37:20
Speaker 1: these two teams close out the regular season.
37:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's gonna be a lot of stuff
37:24
Speaker 2: after the whistle, a lot of push and shoven, a
37:26
Speaker 2: lot of jaw on finger pointing. That was one of
37:30
Speaker 2: the reasons why. I mean, and we talked about it
37:32
Speaker 2: a week ago, like, what was Nick Sirianni thinking going
37:35
Speaker 2: for two there? Yeah, I mean it's it sets off
37:38
Speaker 2: a skirmish at the moment, I mean after, you know,
37:41
Speaker 2: after after the play, there's pushing and shoving because and
37:45
Speaker 2: clearly that Washington was responding to the fact that what
37:48
Speaker 2: are you doing going for two here? So and then
37:50
Speaker 2: when it was over, you know, Quinn Dan Quinn says
37:53
Speaker 2: what he says, we'll see them in two weeks. You know,
37:56
Speaker 2: why if if you're Nick Sirianni, why give a team
38:00
Speaker 2: that kind of incentive if you're going to see them
38:03
Speaker 2: two weeks for a game that could be really important
38:06
Speaker 2: for you. It doesn't mean anything for them, but it's
38:08
Speaker 2: really important for you in terms of field, in terms
38:10
Speaker 2: of postseason play. I mean, it didn't make any sense
38:15
Speaker 2: why he did it anyway, but given that other part
38:19
Speaker 2: of it, that it could come back and aunt you
38:20
Speaker 2: or give a team that should just be mailing it
38:23
Speaker 2: in and looking forward to the off season. Now all
38:26
Speaker 2: of a sudden you have put a chip on their shoulder.
38:28
Speaker 2: It didn't have to be there, you know, why'd you
38:31
Speaker 2: do that? And so that's what you got here? And
38:35
Speaker 2: I know there's going there has been already and there
38:37
Speaker 2: will be more talk about, well how should the Eagles
38:40
Speaker 2: approach this game? You know, you've got guys that probably
38:43
Speaker 2: could use arrest. The whole team could probably use the
38:45
Speaker 2: rest at this point. You know, maybe just maybe just
38:48
Speaker 2: sit them out, play the backups. You know, who knows
38:50
Speaker 2: the backups might be able to beat the Washington anyway,
38:53
Speaker 2: because the Washington they're not. But now to me, and
38:57
Speaker 2: this is just me, Okay, if the two seed is
39:01
Speaker 2: in play, I'm playing it. You know, if there's a chance. Listen,
39:05
Speaker 2: if the Bears had won, if the Bears had won
39:09
Speaker 2: in San Francisco and wrapped up to then we don't
39:12
Speaker 2: even have this conversation. If this game, if you're locked
39:15
Speaker 2: into three, then then everybody sits. I totally get that.
39:19
Speaker 2: But if there's a chance, if there's a chance and
39:22
Speaker 2: you could get the number two seed here, which means
39:24
Speaker 2: the chance of playing two games at home instead of
39:26
Speaker 2: just won, I think you got to go for it.
39:29
Speaker 2: I really do. Because even though the Bears are playing
39:33
Speaker 2: Detroit and Detroit is out of the playoffs and have
39:35
Speaker 2: had a very disappointing season and they haven't played very well,
39:40
Speaker 2: I don't think that Detroit's going to lay down in
39:43
Speaker 2: this game. I think it's been a very frustrating season.
39:46
Speaker 2: It's been a big disappointment for them from where they
39:48
Speaker 2: were last year to where they are this year. They're
39:51
Speaker 2: playing a division fox there. There's a long history between
39:53
Speaker 2: these two teams, and I don't think Dan Campbell's the
39:56
Speaker 2: kind of guy that's going to let his team lay
39:58
Speaker 2: down in this game. I think he's going to say, Okay,
40:01
Speaker 2: we're not going to the playoffs, but we can spoil
40:03
Speaker 2: the Bear season, and that's what we're going to do today.
40:06
Speaker 2: I think I think Detroit. It wouldn't shock me if
40:10
Speaker 2: Detroit not Chicago off it really would. But I think
40:13
Speaker 2: on the larger scale, how does this affect the Eagles.
40:16
Speaker 2: I don't think you even think about that. I think
40:18
Speaker 2: if you're the Eagles, you're saying, look, there's a chance
40:20
Speaker 2: that we could get number two. It's absolutely an advantage
40:23
Speaker 2: to us to be number two. Were to play it
40:25
Speaker 2: for number two, that's how.
40:27
Speaker 1: I would go, Well, I can't wait to see it.
40:30
Speaker 1: You don't know how long the regulars are going to play,
40:32
Speaker 1: if they're going to play at all, But it is
40:34
Speaker 1: a divisional matchup, and the Washington Commanders have that proverbial
40:38
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulders and it's still extant in minds
40:41
Speaker 1: what the Eagles did just a couple of weeks ago.
40:44
Speaker 1: And of course we will be back here next week
40:46
Speaker 1: to talk about the Eagles and the Washington Commanders wrapping
40:50
Speaker 1: up the twenty twenty five season. Oh, by the way,
40:52
Speaker 1: this is the last show Ray and I get to
40:54
Speaker 1: do together this season. Ray has other commitments to take
40:57
Speaker 1: care of, but I will be back next week with
41:00
Speaker 1: another co host. But Ray before I let you go.
41:02
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say it has been my honor,
41:04
Speaker 1: my privilege, and my pleasure chopping it up talking football
41:08
Speaker 1: with you in twenty twenty five. And I want to
41:11
Speaker 1: wish you and your beautiful wife a happy, prosperous and
41:14
Speaker 1: healthy twenty twenty six.
41:16
Speaker 2: My friend absolutely right back at you to Gunner. I
41:22
Speaker 2: when Jeff Mosher called me before the season said I'd
41:26
Speaker 2: like to put you and Gunner together and do a
41:29
Speaker 2: weekly I know you do, you know, one or two
41:31
Speaker 2: of these a year, but we'd like to do it
41:33
Speaker 2: every week. Would you be willing to do that? I
41:35
Speaker 2: couldn't say yes fast enough. I mean chance, the chance
41:39
Speaker 2: to get back together with you and sort of rekindle
41:42
Speaker 2: the old conversations from back in the day when we
41:46
Speaker 2: work together on the old pre and post game show.
41:49
Speaker 2: To do that again and work with you again and
41:51
Speaker 2: talk Eagles football, it was an absolute joy. I absolutely
41:56
Speaker 2: loved doing this. It was great to have another season
41:58
Speaker 2: to work with you and I share the same feelings.
42:02
Speaker 2: I'm for you and your family and everybody and team
42:09
Speaker 2: gun I just wanted to say happy holidays and happy
42:13
Speaker 2: New Year, and the best for a wonderful and Prosperous
42:16
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.
42:18
Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. I am touched. And on that note,
42:21
Speaker 1: that will rap up this edition of Birds Weekly, presented
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Speaker 1: by the Inside the Birds Network. Poe my man, my friend,
42:27
Speaker 1: my colleague Ray didn't jump, Derek Gunn. We'll see you
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Speaker 1: next week. So long, everybody,