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Murder In Moscow: Murder In Moscow: The Experts Behind The case Against Bryan Kohberger (Part 4) (8/22/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're getting right back to the experts behind
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  Speaker 1: the case against Brian Coberger. Amended supplemental Expert Disclosure Number
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  Speaker 1: five Jade Miller. The State has previously disclosed that Jade
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  Speaker 1: Miller Forensic Scientists three as an expert witness in the
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  Speaker 1: field of forensic biology and DNA, which includes, but in
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  Speaker 1: no way is limited to, DNA extraction, quantification, amplification analysis,
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  Speaker 1: and interpretation analysis, including but not limited to STR data
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  Speaker 1: an STR mixed probabilistic genotyping. The State hereby incorporates its
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  Speaker 1: previous response and attachments fueled on December eighteenth, twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: and is hereby supplementing those responses. As follows, Miller will
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  Speaker 1: provide an explanation of what DNA is. DNA is genetic
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  Speaker 1: material contained in cells that may be utilized for human identification.
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  Speaker 1: DNA may be present on an item in the form
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  Speaker 1: of biological mis materials such as blood, semen, and saliva,
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  Speaker 1: or may be left on an item when it's handled.
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  Speaker 1: Biological evidence and possible potential DNA evidence is collected for
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  Speaker 1: preservation and may be sent for further testing by qualified analysts.
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  Speaker 1: DNA can be collected by swabbing an item or by
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  Speaker 1: taking or cutting directly from an item. Reference DNA samples
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  Speaker 1: can be collected directly from individuals. DNA can be used
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  Speaker 1: to identify individuals, link individuals to crime scenes, link crime scenes,
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  Speaker 1: as well as exclude individuals from DNA profiles. Miller will
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  Speaker 1: explain the four steps of DNA analysis. One the extraction
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  Speaker 1: of DNA from cells by adding chemicals to break open
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  Speaker 1: all the cells to release DNA. Two the quantification of
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  Speaker 1: DNA to determine how much DNA is present in a sample.
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  Speaker 1: Three the amplification of DNA by generating copies of the DNA.
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  Speaker 1: This requires copying the specific location of DNA using chain
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  Speaker 1: reaction for the generation of DNA profile for comparison. This
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  Speaker 1: includes visualizing the DNA profile, which looks like peaks onograph.
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  Speaker 1: Once a DNA profile is created, the data can be
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  Speaker 1: interpreted and comparisons can be made. Miller can be expected
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  Speaker 1: to testify a length about her conclusions and interpretations made
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  Speaker 1: in Report twenty six, which is that DNA profile obtained
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  Speaker 1: from item one point one from Report four bates, pages
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  Speaker 1: five point thirty four through five ninety four matches that
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  Speaker 1: obtained from the known reference sample by Brian Colberger Item
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  Speaker 1: one a weight. Miller's conclusion, as set fourth in Report
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  Speaker 1: twenty six is that DNA profile is at least five
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  Speaker 1: point three octillion times more likely to be seen if
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  Speaker 1: Brian Colberger is the source than if an unrelated individual
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  Speaker 1: randomly selected from the general population is the source. Miller
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  Speaker 1: will also testify about CODIS. COTIS is a database managed
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  Speaker 1: by the FBI that allows state and local crime laboratories
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  Speaker 1: to upload and compare DNA profiles from crime scene evidence
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  Speaker 1: and convicted offenders. Use of this database can help to
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  Speaker 1: provide links between evidence and crimes and evidence and known offenders.
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  Speaker 1: The coda's database requires that DNA profiles meet specific eligibility
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  Speaker 1: requirements prior to being uploaded. These requirements include that a
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  Speaker 1: crime must have been committed, the profile was developed from
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  Speaker 1: an item related to the crime, and the profile must
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  Speaker 1: be attributable to the perpetrator. DNA profiles from victims, nonprobative individuals,
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  Speaker 1: and items that are not linked to the crime scene
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  Speaker 1: are not allowed to enter The laboratory must justify entry
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  Speaker 1: of every profile put into CODIS, and many factors can
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  Speaker 1: influence eligibility. In regard to mel B, this profile was
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  Speaker 1: not entered into CODIS based on the location of the
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  Speaker 1: profile within the residence and proximity of the profile to
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  Speaker 1: the victims. This was a large redad occupied by several
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  Speaker 1: college students, as well as heavily trafficked by other students
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  Speaker 1: who may not have lived there. This profile was located
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  Speaker 1: on the underside of a hand rail within a stairwell,
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  Speaker 1: which is frequently touched area that cannot be directly linked
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  Speaker 1: to the crime. It would not be uncommon to find
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  Speaker 1: unknown DNA on a hand rail within the residence that
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  Speaker 1: got there in a manner that was not related to
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  Speaker 1: the crime. Also, the proximity of this profile to the
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  Speaker 1: victims makes it difficult to ensure it's attributable to the perpetrator.
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  Speaker 1: Though probative value this profile mel B is not as
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  Speaker 1: high as that of the unknown mal profile MALA obtained
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  Speaker 1: from the knife sheath, as the victims were believed to
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  Speaker 1: have been stabbed to death and the knife sheath was
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  Speaker 1: located next to one of the victims. In regard to
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  Speaker 1: mel D, this profile was developed from a gardening style
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  Speaker 1: glove located outside the residence in a publicly accessible area.
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  Speaker 1: No DNA from the victim was located on this item,
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  Speaker 1: and a direct link to the crime could not be established.
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  Speaker 1: HANA from one or more of the victims been located
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  Speaker 1: on the item, it likely would have been CODIS eligible. Also,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps if this DNA profile had matched mel B from
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  Speaker 1: the handrail inside the residence, there's a possibility it could
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  Speaker 1: have been uploaded because there would have been a link
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  Speaker 1: to a profile found within the crime scene. At the
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  Speaker 1: time CODIS eligibility was determined, mal DNA profiles A, B,
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  Speaker 1: and D were unidentified and it was not possible for
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  Speaker 1: lab staff to know who would ultimately be linked to
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  Speaker 1: any one item. CODIS eligibility determination was strictly made based
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  Speaker 1: on our evaluation of the probitive value of each item.
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  Speaker 1: Exhibits six Amended Supplemental Expert Disclosure and NORD the state
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  Speaker 1: is previously disclosed and NORD forensic scientist and laboratory manager
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  Speaker 1: as an expert witness in the field of controlled substances
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  Speaker 1: and toxicology. The State hereby incorporates its previous responses and
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  Speaker 1: attachments filed on December eighteenth, twenty twenty four, and is
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  Speaker 1: hereby subse lamenting those responses as follows. Nord may testify
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  Speaker 1: to the laboratory process and procedure for receiving, storing, handling,
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  Speaker 1: and returning evidence and what was done in this case
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  Speaker 1: with regards to LAB item number seventy one. The analyst
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  Speaker 1: may testify to the laboratory method for testing controlled substances,
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  Speaker 1: which may include identification of drugs detected in the sample
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  Speaker 1: and sample waging. The analyst may testify to the result
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  Speaker 1: of testing in this case and the process for approving
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  Speaker 1: and reporting results. Nord may testify regarding her involvement in
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  Speaker 1: the case in which Nord tested LAB item seventy one
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  Speaker 1: ziplockbag with trace of blue powder. Nord's conclusion was the
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  Speaker 1: item was anphetamine. Nord will explain how she came to
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  Speaker 1: the conclusion and what method she used to test item
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  Speaker 1: seventy one. Nord tested Item seventy one using Idaho State
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  Speaker 1: Police Controlled Substance Analytical Method Revision thirteen, specifically three and
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  Speaker 1: AM six. A copy of that method is available online.
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  Speaker 1: Item seventy one was analyzed by preparing two separate samples
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  Speaker 1: by diluting the blue powder and methanol and running each
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  Speaker 1: of those on a gas chrometograph mass spectrometer GCMs consists
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  Speaker 1: of two analytical techniques run in tandem. The gas chromatograph
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  Speaker 1: is used in separate compounds and provides selectively based on
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  Speaker 1: physical and chemical characterizations. The mass spectrometer provides selectively based
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  Speaker 1: on the compounds chemical structure. The results from those run
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  Speaker 1: were compared to a non standard of amphetamine that was
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  Speaker 1: run under the same conditions. Nord will testify that the
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  Speaker 1: comparison of the extracts to the non standard. She concluded
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  Speaker 1: that the sample contained amphetamine. Due to the limited sample amount,
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  Speaker 1: more than half of the sample was consumed in analysis.
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  Speaker 1: Due to this, the extras were packaged and returned in
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  Speaker 1: the evidence envelope with the original item Exhibit seven amended
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  Speaker 1: supplemental expert disclosure Rilean NOWLN. The state is previously disclosed
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  Speaker 1: Idaho State Police Forensic Services Laboratory Manager Riylean NOWLN, as
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  Speaker 1: an expert witness. The state hereby incorporates its previous responses
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  Speaker 1: and attachments filed on December eighteenth, twenty twenty four and
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  Speaker 1: February sixteenth, twenty twenty five, and is hereby supplementing those
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  Speaker 1: responses as follows as previously disclosed. Now then will testify
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  Speaker 1: about the day to day operation of the forensic lab
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  Speaker 1: specifically one accreditation, two ensuring quality control, three evidence receipt
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  Speaker 1: into the laboratory, and four evidence handling and storage at
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  Speaker 1: the laboratory and adhering to appropriate standards in the field.
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  Speaker 1: One Accreditation the process of creating compliant methods and a
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  Speaker 1: quality system. Accreditations applicable and forensic science specifically ISO seventeen
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  Speaker 1: twenty five and the Forensic Supplemental Document Are twenty two
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  Speaker 1: one A two LA document and the FBI Quality Assurance
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  Speaker 1: Standards for forensic casework Labs and Forensic database Lab accreditation assessments,
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  Speaker 1: including frequency, the process of external assessors reviewing all documents
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  Speaker 1: and observing casework being performed, as well as the process
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  Speaker 1: and frequency of FBI Quality Assurance audits. Two Ensuring quality
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  Speaker 1: control annual training, annual manual reviews, and quality control activities
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  Speaker 1: including quality control tests and controls for reagents, instrumentation, and methods,
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  Speaker 1: and required certification for all scientists in their specific discipline.
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  Speaker 1: Three Evidence receipt into the laboratory. Pre log of evidence
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  Speaker 1: by customers into the Idaho Laboratory Information Management System, evidence
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  Speaker 1: review of information on the item compar to the pre
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  Speaker 1: logged information, assignment of the case, an item number in
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  Speaker 1: ILM S for a storage of evidence in the laboratory,
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  Speaker 1: transfer of evidence in the laboratory, proper storage conditions of evidence,
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  Speaker 1: and storage of evidence while at the laboratory. In addition,
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  Speaker 1: now Lyn will testify regarding the general structure of the
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  Speaker 1: Idaho State Police Forensic Services Laboratory. This includes three laboratories Meridian, Cordelaine,
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  Speaker 1: and Pocatello within the system, with a fourth drome plan
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  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. Now Lynn discusses the discipline offered
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  Speaker 1: in each lab. Now Lynn will discuss the DNA casework,
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  Speaker 1: analysis and DNA database exclusively performed at the laboratory in Meridian, Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: and the types of evidence submitted for each discipline will
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  Speaker 1: also be discussed. Now Lynn will also testify to touch
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  Speaker 1: DNA and transfer of DNA Specifically, now Lynn will testify
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  Speaker 1: to the characteristics and nature of touch DNA, including house
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  Speaker 1: deposited and transferred to an item of evidence, and methods
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  Speaker 1: used to collect and preserve touch DNA samples from items
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  Speaker 1: of evidence, the procedures and protocols used by forensic scientists
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  Speaker 1: to extract and analyze touch DNA, the manner in which
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  Speaker 1: results from touch DNA samples are interpreted, and the reliability
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  Speaker 1: of touch DNA analysis and its acceptability in the field
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  Speaker 1: of forensic science. Now, then, will also testify to the
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  Speaker 1: potential for DNA to transfer between an individual and an object,
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  Speaker 1: including the distinction between primary and secondary transfer and the
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  Speaker 1: factors influencing the likelihood of transfer. All right, folks, that's
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  Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. In the next episode,
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  Speaker 1: dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up with
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