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Anthony Rendon Wants Less Baseball · The 3-0 Take

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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take, where we talk
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  all things Major League Baseball.
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  Dude, What? What did?
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  I just I don't think people get it when they're listening.
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  Just a flawless episode. Few and far between.
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  Yeah, yeah, I wish. I wish it was just a regular
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  that was just like, hey, sit down.
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  We got this. Speak your mind.
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  full scope dude, it stinks because I I run into my fair
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  Yeah, sounds like a like a dying bird.
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  Very, very strange. Speaking of dying birds, Anthony
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  Rendon. The guy stinks.
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  Just an anti baseball guy. The guy hates baseball.
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  Yeah. And when I saw, when I saw the
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  headline populate, when I got the notification, my mind
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  immediately went to that that scene in SpongeBob where the guy
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  was like, oh brother, this guy sticks.
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  That's exactly what I thought when I saw that about Anthony
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  Rendon, because it it's frustrating to me that on more
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  than one occasion, as recently as the start of this past
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  season, 2023, because that that's when the Oakland stuff
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  went down, right. The incident with the fan was
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  that that was like, at the start of 2023, was it not?
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  Yeah, as recently as 2023, I've defended this guy.
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  But I I can no longer. I I can no longer.
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  The bum list is being shaken up a little bit.
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  We're going to go ahead and add Anthony Rendon to that list
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  because I can't. I can't take it with this guy
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  anymore. He he's single handedly
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  sabotaging, almost seemingly willingly sabotaging his his
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  career, his image. The way baseball fans have
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  perceived him up to this point, it it's he's trashing it and
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  basic, like I said, basically on purpose, I don't.
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  I don't get it. Dude's lost.
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  He's definitely lost. I will get into the comments,
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  'cause you got the clip. But I'm starting to wonder,
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  like, do you, do you think the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim,
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  CA, LA, West Coast LA? Yeah, do do you think they even
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  have conversations with these stars before offering them
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  everything? Like any conversations
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  whatsoever, 'cause it's starting to get like a weird trend of, I
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  don't know, man, I get that this is bad luck.
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  I get that. This is.
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  I understand that. I go back and forth.
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  On I'm not giving out this much money if I even have the
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  smallest sense of someone saying they don't really like this
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  game. Yeah, but like you got to you
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  got to go back. Like I and I was thinking about
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  this today as I was kind of prepping my my thoughts and my
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  notes for this episode knowing we're going to talk about this.
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  I, I, I won't say vividly remember, but I, I sort of
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  remember the conversation we had when he signed with the Angels.
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  And it was a conversation that a lot of people are having a
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  question that people are asking about why he would choose to go
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  to LA or Anaheim, Los Angeles, CA, LA, Anaheim, Disneyland.
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  And if you remember, he said something to the effect of I'm a
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  family man. I want to be with my family more
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  and and people are like, well then why would you go there?
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  And I remember it just being really confusing.
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  But even then at the time, I wasn't like writing the guy off.
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  I was like, I mean the decision making seems a little bit fuzzy.
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  I'm not trying to rewrite history.
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  I may have said something completely different, but
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  looking back on it, I'm going even with what we knew to the up
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  to that point, the guy seemed all right.
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  I mean he's he's coming off an an awesome year.
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  They they win the the title in DC I'm like, OK, I'm not going
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  to say he got way too much money because at the time I was like,
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  you know, he deserves A hefty contract.
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  He at the time was like a top at least a top ten third baseman.
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  Yeah. I mean I'm I'm sure he was
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  making our list that we are putting together at that point.
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  Not that ours is you know the Bible by any stretch but not you
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  know we're we're doing a good amount of we're doing a good
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  amount of research and I think we you and I both felt that you
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  know he belonged up there. But I saw I was reading this
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  comment today on one of dozens of posts that that I came across
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  about his comments recently which we'll get into.
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  But it was the I'm paraphrasing, but the the person was
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  essentially asking like, are we going to investigate how Anthony
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  Rendon went from one of the most likable players in baseball when
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  he was with the Nationals to becoming one of the most
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  unlikable now that he's with the Angels?
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  Like what Hap? Like what transpired between
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  shifting coast to coast? Like what happened?
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  I've I don't know. I was going to say something,
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  but I didn't want to be divisive in any way.
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  Let. Me guess it's something about
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  California. Is it something about
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  California? Because I was kind of thinking
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  the same thing. If I'm being honest, I was kind
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  of, that's kind of where my head we're all.
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  Kind of thinking it. I think there's a reason a lot
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  of people are leaving. I think even Californians are
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  thinking it. We won't say it, but they're
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  thinking it. They're thinking.
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  It, yeah. I don't know, dude.
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  Maybe it's when he cut his hair. You know, it's.
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  That's a good point. It's.
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  Probably the pirate look was kind of a move.
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  It was. It was.
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  It's probably a combination of moving to California, having to
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  make a drastic change with your hair, playing like six games
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  since you've been out there, being hurt all the time, losing
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  Shohei to the team that you play like from the team that you play
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  for. What?
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  What was something he did something weird last year too,
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  Like the end of the season he had a.
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  Weird. Oh, it was the freaking.
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  It was the the they were trying to the the reporters down the
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  street, I think. He was, oh, he like said he had
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  a broken leg or something, right?
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  They were at well, they were asking him questions about,
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  like, updates. Like, dude, we haven't heard
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  from you in days, like weeks, like, what's the deal?
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  And the angels were wait, was it the?
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  Was it him where they said that he was playing with like a
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  broken leg or? Something that's what I'm.
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  Saying yeah, OK. Or now he said that.
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  I don't think the Angel said that.
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  I think he said it. And then the angels.
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  Oh, that's. Right.
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  And then and then he was like, I don't know why they wouldn't
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  report that, like why my team wouldn't make that public.
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  But yeah, that's kind of deal. OK, OK.
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  Now they're all coming together. The thing that I was thinking
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  of, which I think was related to that, was when they were trying
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  to get an update from him and he hit the reporters with the the,
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  the infamous no Obla Inglis. And I'm like, dude, that's what
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  that was. Come on.
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  What are we doing? Man.
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  What are we doing? So bringing it full circle here,
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  all of all of this leading up to this week or this weekend.
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  I don't exactly know when the when the story or the interview
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  broke. It was from a segment from the
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  Jack Evita Show. I want to make sure I give
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  proper credit there, but he Jack was asking him well, actually,
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  no, I think. I think the audio includes the
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  the full thing here. So I'll do let me just see if I
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  can play it here. If you could change one thing
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  about Major League Baseball, if I gave you that power, what
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  would you do? I'm going to say something very
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  light. Hearted.
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  So I don't get in trouble. When I get yes, so I'm going.
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  To give you all the Anthony Rendon answer.
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  The first of the day, hopefully. Yeah, we got to shorten the
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  season, man. It's too many Dang games, 162
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  games and 185 three days, whatever it is.
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  Man, no, we got to shorten this bad boy up.
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  Let's go, my brother. You're four years into a
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  seven-year, $245 million contract and you've played 200
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  games. What do you even know about the
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  length of a full season? How?
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  How can you, how are you jockeying for a shorter season
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  when you haven't seen a full season?
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  I mean, what in your entire career?
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  You've enjoyed, you've enjoyed not having to deal with the full
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  season, so why are you complaining about it?
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  Also? What?
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  Like it's what's one thing you would change?
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  That's what comes to mind. That's what I'm saying the first
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  time, the first time I heard that I go you knowing your back,
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  your back story here, knowing all of the things you and I just
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  talked about that have led up to this interview that you're
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  you're currently involved in Anthony Rendon, of all the
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  things you could have said. That's what.
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  You go with. I mean I get it you you don't
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  want to you don't want to say something about the commissioner
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  necessarily because you're. I mean, yeah, you're kind of
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  that guy but you're not like you're not like a Trevor May
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  where you're just going to call like it is a guy like that or or
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  anything you're also. Not don't say you're light
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  hearted about it either. Yeah, don't try to like, don't
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  try to cushion the blow here, Anthony.
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  Light hearted is like when we say like we should have Home Run
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  Derby with tennis balls in in you know the Big Mac bat.
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  Like that's that's light hearted.
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  Don't say it's like this is a legitimate.
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  You're obviously complaining about this throughout your
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  career, so don't say it's like, oh, it's a light hearted thing.
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  Like no dude, like we're giving you an option to change one
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  thing and you immediately go there little ween.
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  Guy stinks. Like if you would have said if
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  you would, honestly if he would have prefaced it with, I'm going
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  to say something light hearted and said just about anything
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  else, I'd have been like OK ha ha.
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  But knowing the knowing the back history there, knowing the fact
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  that he just has all but made it clear that he hates baseball and
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  that he's just trying to collect a check, which is another thing.
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  Like you say you want a shorter season, but you don't have any
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  problem keeping the taking the check.
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  Like, I don't see any discussion about prorating your your check
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  because again, we're four years into it and you've played 200
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  games. Yeah, he did actually have a
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  pretty healthy stretch from 16 to 19.
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  Yeah. And then what was it, what was
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  it from 2020 on? I mean you had the 60 game
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  season 2020, you had 52 games in 202058 games in 202147 games in
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  2022 and 43 games in 2023. So as bad as that stretch has
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  been, you're actually coming off of the shortest season that
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  you've played since 2020. Like if you if it was trending
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  upwards I'd be like OK like haha.
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  Like, yeah, I mean, still lacks complete self-awareness, but
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  like, I guess I could take it a little light hearted, but you
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  literally of those force to. In fact, of every season you've
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  played in your career the fewest games you've ever played, You
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  played more games in a 60 game season than you did last year.
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  So probably not the best time to be dropping this, especially
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  considering your team just lost Shohei and we all know the
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  Angels are in shambles right now.
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  Yeah. And like, I, I don't know, dude.
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  I'm. I'm just of the mindset, like
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  there's there's kids like underneath you in the farm.
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  That would kill for an opportunity not to have your
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  paycheck, but just to have like written into the starting lineup
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  regularly when healthy, like an opportunity to go play the full
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  season. It's so out of touch.
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  It's like, yeah, this was a mistake.
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  This was a big of all the mistakes you've made.
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  Of all the stupid comments you've made over the last few
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  years, this one ranks up there for sure.
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  I mean, I got to give it to the people that were calling them
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  out after that incident with the fan in Oakland.
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  They're like, this is who this guy is and I'm like, I I.
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  Don't, I really don't think. So I know, but now it it makes
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  you wonder. Like the thing I'm not hear me
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  out. I'm not justifying berating
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  players from the stands. Like I don't care how much you
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  pay for your ticket. Like it doesn't give you the
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  right to just say whatever you want to these guys.
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  I firmly believe that and we'll forever believe that.
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  I don't care if you if the price of your ticket hit 4 digits.
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  I don't care. Doesn't doesn't justify that.
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  But it makes you wonder if there's some validity to the
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  things that not all, but some of the fans did that for and let
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  them hear it. Did he know?
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  Maybe he knew something we didn't.
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  What was the so the the Carabas tweet in response to this,
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  Nobody hates baseball more than one of the game's highest paid
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  players. Who gets paid not to play?
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  And then you're like, I don't know, Carabas is basically a
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  super fan, but he's made his way into locker room, so maybe he
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  knows a little bit and then bang, confirmed by your by your
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  boy. And then you had, you had
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  Papelbon in response to that, he said.
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  I can definitely confirm Carrabba's here, played with
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  Rendon and literally hates baseball.
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  Yeah, it's long. Isn't that what you signed up
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  for? Just tell the team you want to
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  play half the season and give back half your salary.
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  That's kind of what I'm saying. I'm sorry dude.
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  The 2nd. It's confirmed from a former
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  teammate. It's like I as polarizing as I
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  think Papa Bond could be. Yeah, because we've seen his
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  front ends with teammates. But still, this.
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  I don't know. I think he kind of hits home.
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  I like just. I just like live reaction to
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  what I'm seeing as I search Anthony Rendon.
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  Shout out Addison Yankee World Big big big fan of that account.
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  A quote tweeted at a post that said fan grass is projecting
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  Anthony Rendon to play 133 games in 2024.
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  And Addison says Anthony Rendon doesn't even think Anthony
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  Rendon is going to play that many games.
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  Oh my gosh. And and hear hear me.
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  Listeners, when I say this, I I understand that this is like
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  something a little trivial to be spending this amount of time on,
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  but you have to recognize that like.
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  Time of year, baby. The stove is so cold right now.
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  It was it was 13° this morning when I walked outside to walk
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  the dog, and the hot stove is colder than that, so.
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  Until this gets released, Until you're.
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  Until you're hearing this then. You'll drop it and then Matt
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  Chapman. Jordan Montgomery Blake.
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  Montgomery will have have signed, Blake Sell have signed.
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  The White Sox will have switched their philosophy.
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  They say actually we're going to trade Dylan Cease in a
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  blockbuster. That's what's going to happen
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  after we drop, because it always does.
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  But yeah, it's still like it just was a one off thing, kind
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  of kind of closing the book here on this.
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  If this was a one off comment, yeah, maybe we should have spent
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  as much time as we did on it. But because this seems to be a
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  building narrative, it's it's a narrative that already exists
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  with this guy. Like we're not, we're not just
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  pulling this out of thin air. This has existed with this guy
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  and this only adds to it. It really begs the question, is
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  this story and possibly maybe some things that happened
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  between now and who knows opening day maybe.
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  Maybe Rendon gets caught up in in some more hot water.
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  Is it? Are we going to see a rather
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  significant notification hit the hit the phone sometime between
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  now and opening day about the Angels have decided to cut ties
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  with Anthony Rendon. They say we're going to cut our
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  losses and move on. Are they going to try to offload
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  this guy in some sort of package deal?
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  I don't know. I I that's certainly a stretch.
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  I'm not saying that they are, but like he's not.
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  He is not helping his case, especially going into a year
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  where the Angels are going to need everything they can from
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  this guy, considering who they just lost.
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  So I don't know, man. I'm I'm done.
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  With this, I'm all done. I'm all done.
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  I I can't do it with Rendon anymore.
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  I I've come to his defense like I said, but I I just can't do it
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  anymore. He's all done.
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  He's dug his own grave and he clearly just doesn't want to be
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  out there anymore and he's OK cashing his check Loser.
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  That's where it is. Speaking of cashing a check Josh
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  Hater five year, $95 million deal with the Houston Astros.
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  You texted me the I roll emoji three as the news dropped.
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  Three of them. Three of them.
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  And my response to you more or less was I'm OK with it.
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  Like I I I can't explain why necessarily, but there's just
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  something about, there's something about the Astros
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  beefing up a little bit to kind of to push the knife in a little
• 23:51
  deeper again, just to say, hey, we're not quite done yet.
• 23:56
  We're still sticking around. And you're enjoying that?
• 24:01
  Into the sides of the fans who just hate the Astros.
• 24:03
  Yeah, Because, look, regardless how you feel about the Astros,
• 24:07
  regardless how I feel about the Astros, the Astros being at the
• 24:14
  top of their game, at the top of people's minds, for better, for
• 24:19
  worse, is good for baseball. You could say that about the
• 24:22
  Yankees. You could say that about any of
• 24:24
  the any of the other, like, major markets.
• 24:27
  Houston obviously doesn't necessarily fit into that same
• 24:31
  mold as the Yankees or the the Mets or whatever but or the
• 24:35
  Dodgers even. But I I like the move one
• 24:40
  because it it even more so shores up that that back end.
• 24:44
  I mean that the I've seen all sorts of posts talking about the
• 24:47
  game being O like the game's over after the six eight which I
• 24:51
  to to that point I'm like let's hold our horses like this is
• 24:55
  going to become instant it's going to become instant meme
• 24:59
  material if if they start off the gate start out of the gate
• 25:02
  little little slow little sluggish in that back end as
• 25:05
  they're as they find their footing.
• 25:07
  Yeah so let's let's not say that their back end is going to carry
• 25:11
  them to a World Series just yet. But all I have to say, I think
• 25:15
  this is, I think it's a good move.
• 25:17
  I I like that the Astros aren't just rolling over to this
• 25:21
  narrative that's floating around out there about a window
• 25:23
  closing, because I know I've contributed to that.
• 25:26
  I'm like, how much longer are they going to ride this out,
• 25:29
  especially with the Rangers doing what they just did.
• 25:31
  So I don't know. I kind of like it.
• 25:35
  I mean my couple of things to know.
• 25:37
  Number one, I didn't realize he was only 29.
• 25:40
  I don't know why he broke in the league in 2017.
• 25:45
  I didn't realize he was with the Astros organization, like in the
• 25:49
  minors. Weird.
• 25:51
  All of this is weird. Crazy.
• 25:53
  Yeah, only 29. I feel like this is for what
• 25:57
  you're getting. I don't think it's that bad of a
• 26:00
  price tag. I mean, what is that 19 a year?
• 26:07
  Yeah, yeah. And some change. 19 a year, I
• 26:11
  mean that's no, no. Yeah, 19 flat.
• 26:13
  Yep. I don't think that's that bad.
• 26:14
  None of it's deferred, which is interesting.
• 26:17
  So like it, it makes you wonder, like, how they proceed moving
• 26:20
  forward. You know what I mean?
• 26:23
  Like, I think Bregman's in a walk year.
• 26:29
  I don't know if Altuve is in a walk year, but you're starting
• 26:32
  to get to that point where, like, we talked about the
• 26:34
  window. Yeah, talked about the window.
• 26:36
  Like it. You're gonna have to start
• 26:39
  making decisions and there's dudes that have to get paid.
• 26:46
  They're both in a walk or chance.
• 26:48
  Yeah, yeah. So I don't know man, that just
• 26:51
  tells you that's like that's 19 less than than what you can put
• 26:55
  towards. I think you got to kind of make
• 26:56
  a choice. I bet they only choose one of
• 26:58
  them if one of them. Well, they paid Alvarez.
• 27:03
  What did they what did they pay him again?
• 27:05
  What was that contract 115, six 115?
• 27:08
  I don't think Kyle Tucker's gotten paid yet, right?
• 27:10
  No, I think he's in. He's got to be in close.
• 27:15
  He's he's very close. Maybe two years of control left.
• 27:24
  Yeah, 2026 will be a. Free agent, Yeah.
• 27:28
  So I mean it. Do you want to wait until 2027
• 27:31
  where you get a bid with everyone else or do you try to
• 27:33
  offer an early extension? A lot of these come into play.
• 27:36
  So like this is kind of the, I know you keep saying like, is
• 27:39
  the window closing? It is.
• 27:41
  Let's be real. It is closing.
• 27:43
  Your core is starting to dissolve.
• 27:45
  Verlander is one year older. So, like, I don't hate the move.
• 27:51
  I just, I'm. I just felt like I liked him
• 27:56
  elsewhere. I don't know.
• 27:58
  I was with the, I think I was with the whole majority of
• 28:02
  baseball fans seeing him in in in a Rangers uniform.
• 28:06
  But I don't know. It's just me last year.
• 28:08
  Pretty good though. 61 games, 56 in the third innings, only eight
• 28:14
  earn runs, 85 punches, 30 walks. So even when we talk to like
• 28:20
  talk about how certain closers can kind of have that lull at
• 28:24
  some point in the season, a little bit of a yippee week or
• 28:28
  two. Still really good career. 225
• 28:32
  OURA 11/7 WAR. He's got 165 saves already.
• 28:39
  So dude is dude, it's good. Yeah.
• 28:45
  I I don't, I'm not ready to like, say the bullpen is
• 28:48
  unbeatable. I mean, I remember when these
• 28:50
  conversations were had when the White Sox added Craig Kimbrough
• 28:53
  and we talked about Liam and and Kimbrough being in the back end
• 28:57
  there. Obviously that didn't work.
• 29:01
  I was curious to see like, so I did a little digging and if like
• 29:04
  Ryan Presley was down and he's pretty old, I didn't realize
• 29:08
  Ryan Presley's like 30, 3536, like he's up there.
• 29:13
  He's showing some Gray. Yeah, but he said it's all good.
• 29:17
  Him and the GM had a conversation.
• 29:19
  I read an article saying like the GM was basically, you know,
• 29:23
  wanted to make sure he was cool with it before moving forward
• 29:26
  just cause of what he's done in Houston and like what he's put
• 29:29
  in. And Ryan Press is like, dude, do
• 29:32
  what you need to do. We got to win.
• 29:33
  So like, I'll I'll accept whatever role.
• 29:35
  So it seems like he's willingly stepping into that 888 spot.
• 29:40
  But here's the thing, dude, is that, like, closers are
• 29:43
  different. Closers are not the same.
• 29:46
  So, like, you don't be willing. You can be willing.
• 29:51
  You can be a team guy. But when that gear gets shifted
• 29:57
  down a little bit and you don't have the intensity, you don't
• 30:01
  have the adrenaline flowing through the same way in the 8th
• 30:07
  inning versus the 9th, It's like what, you know, we've seen Ryan
• 30:11
  Presley be beatable. We've seen him make mistakes,
• 30:13
  we've seen him go cold. And that's in a closer role
• 30:17
  where you have to be somewhat of a perfectionist.
• 30:20
  Some, I would say there are more closers that don't do well in
• 30:24
  the 8th inning than there are that do.
• 30:29
  Riddle me that, you know what I'm saying.
• 30:31
  It makes sense. Yeah, like, it brings up a good
• 30:35
  point. Like how much value and Astros
• 30:39
  fans will certainly be able to speak to this better 'cause they
• 30:41
  watch him every what, third night or whatever.
• 30:45
  But like, how much value are you really going to be getting out
• 30:48
  of Presley in the 8th inning? Like, I I just, that's what I
• 30:55
  say. I don't know if I buy that from
• 30:56
  Presley or really any closer at that point because they are
• 30:59
  different. They have a different mentality.
• 31:02
  And for you, for the front office, to sit down with him and
• 31:07
  ask him like, hey, are you OK relinquishing your 9th inning
• 31:11
  duties for this other guy that we perceived to be of much
• 31:17
  greater value than you? I don't know of many people that
• 31:21
  are confidently and transparently being like, yeah,
• 31:26
  yeah, skip whatever, whatever you need.
• 31:28
  Yeah, because it's it's the mentality of doing like doing
• 31:38
  whatever it takes to get the win in the 9th.
• 31:42
  It's that mentality that got you there.
• 31:44
  So to just throw that to the wind and say you know what, I
• 31:47
  don't I don't really need it anymore.
• 31:49
  Like I'll I'll do whatever the team needs me to do.
• 31:52
  I I just it that doesn't that doesn't translate with me like.
• 31:57
  I think it's kind of. It's like almost like a like a
• 32:01
  shortstop losing the shortstop position after a long time.
• 32:06
  Yeah, like slide them over to 2nd.
• 32:07
  Yeah, like that's a confidence position.
• 32:10
  That's like a I'm the guy position, so it'll be
• 32:14
  interesting. But I I was looking into stuff,
• 32:17
  so just looking at like their current depth chart slot hater
• 32:22
  in the ninth, Presley in the 8th and then Montero and and Abreu
• 32:28
  6-7 rotate those guys. And I was looking in.
• 32:31
  I was like, I'm curious to see because everyone's saying like
• 32:35
  it's lights out from here on out.
• 32:36
  So I wanted to see like well, how lights out were they before
• 32:40
  hater last year, the 356 ERA which was 18th.
• 32:52
  Who are we talking about here? The Astros. 71 home runs
• 32:56
  allowed, which is 20th. 225 walks, Which was 20th.
• 33:00
  First their pen. This is their pen gave up 22
• 33:05
  earned runs in last year's post season so it's like I like
• 33:11
  Hater. Obviously he's the leading the
• 33:16
  the free agency pool. As far as relievers go,
• 33:19
  obviously it's it's a no brainer.
• 33:21
  But like, I don't. I wouldn't sit here and say that
• 33:26
  that automatically makes them the best bullpen in baseball.
• 33:31
  I'm not ready to get on that that boat yet.
• 33:34
  No, I mean, it goes back to the I I think people have this, this
• 33:38
  misconception of the value that they're going to get from
• 33:41
  Presley where it's like, oh, well, Presley is our guy, but
• 33:43
  now we're going to slide him into the eighth.
• 33:45
  You're not going to get. That's just the that's the
• 33:47
  reality of that type of transaction.
• 33:50
  You're not going to get necessarily the same value from
• 33:53
  a guy like Ryan Presley in the 8th as you would have gotten in
• 33:55
  the 9th. But in turn like talk about the
• 33:58
  value of OK haters pitch three days in a row.
• 34:00
  We still need a close Presley can step into that potentially.
• 34:04
  So like that is nice. But guys like that aren't like
• 34:08
  they're not. They haven't flip-flopped their
• 34:11
  whole career between 8th and 9th and gone on and off between
• 34:14
  saving games and not so it's like I.
• 34:18
  Well, to the question mark, they they are better suited than I
• 34:21
  think a lot of other teams would be to to maybe if they needed
• 34:26
  for like a two weeks stretch to go closer by committee,
• 34:28
  especially with the bat, with the history, the track record
• 34:32
  that hater has of maybe needing his team to go closer by
• 34:35
  committee while he figures it out.
• 34:37
  Yeah, at times, not not necessarily all the time.
• 34:39
  Just the every. I think every close there is a
• 34:41
  week or two. Yeah, sure.
• 34:42
  But you you look at a guy like Brian Brayu, he's I even picked
• 34:46
  him up in fantasy last year because he slotted in.
• 34:48
  He's nuts. He slotted in as their closer
• 34:51
  when they needed him to. To don't get me wrong a little
• 34:53
  bit. He's good.
• 34:54
  Montero did not look good last year.
• 34:58
  I looked Brayu individually. Rafael Montero is like a 5 ERA.
• 35:03
  Well, Brayu had a 175 over 72 appearances, had five saves.
• 35:09
  So I mean, like I said, they're, I think they're better suited
• 35:13
  than some other teams, but. I do concur.
• 35:17
  I do concur and excuse me, add to the value of having a brand
• 35:23
  new manager in Joe Espada and like having.
• 35:29
  I think it just checking that box of like a no brainer.
• 35:33
  I can call this guy on every night in the 9th inning.
• 35:38
  Like, that's huge. That's huge for a new manager to
• 35:41
  be able to have. So don't overlook the value of
• 35:43
  that. I'm just not ready to sit here
• 35:46
  and say it's automatically the best bullpen in baseball.
• 35:51
  No, but along those lines, I'm glad that they're still that.
• 35:55
  There are still teams out there that value our traditional
• 35:58
  closer. Me too, and not a closer by
• 36:00
  committee, me too situation. Because go ahead and try to
• 36:06
  convince us all you want that it somehow works and that the the
• 36:10
  analytics prove it. Look at the best relief pit
• 36:15
  closures, to be specific. Look at the best situations that
• 36:20
  teams have had in terms of confidence going into the 9th
• 36:24
  inning. It's when they had one guy.
• 36:26
  There was one guy that was assigned to that inning when it
• 36:29
  was. Yeah, he.
• 36:31
  Yeah. Mariano right there right on the
• 36:32
  back wall. One of the the best ever do it
• 36:36
  do you think do you think if the Yankees had a closer by
• 36:40
  committee all those years, they're going, yeah, we feel we
• 36:43
  we like our chances in the night.
• 36:45
  No. When he takes the bump, when
• 36:48
  Ender Sandman hits, it's game over.
• 36:52
  So don't try to tell me that like we got some guys that
• 36:55
  they're high velocity guys. They hit their spots and they're
• 36:58
  swinging. Miss guys, I don't care.
• 37:00
  Give me one guy, queue up the queue up the the walk out.
• 37:06
  One guy that just. Sent him out.
• 37:07
  There, you know what his heartbeat is in that moment.
• 37:12
  And you can have a committee of guys saying they're willing to
• 37:14
  do it, but you don't know their heartbeat.
• 37:21
  I'm all. Smart move, though.
• 37:23
  Smart move? Speaking of closers, Aroldis
• 37:28
  Chapman. Whoa.
• 37:32
  Breaking news just. Agrees with Brendon that the
• 37:35
  season needs to be shortened. Rodas Chapman, signed moments
• 37:42
  ago, signed a one year $10.5 million contract with the
• 37:47
  Pittsburgh Pirates. It's an overpaid, but if you
• 37:51
  flip them for prospects, genius. If he tanks, because that guy is
• 37:59
  the ultimate, I need mental, I need adrenaline.
• 38:04
  I need to get fired up to close the game down.
• 38:07
  You're going to have inconsistent save opportunities
• 38:10
  in Pittsburgh with not too many people firing you up in the in
• 38:17
  the stadium. So I I think, I think Eralda
• 38:22
  Chapman is all done. I'm, I'm going to go out there
• 38:24
  and say that now. I think the the story of Eralda
• 38:27
  Chapman is just all done. How old is he?
• 38:33
  Old enough? Old enough.
• 38:36
  I'd give him 32. 35 dude. Whoa, OK, hold on.
• 38:42
  You were writing him off at 32. You were.
• 38:44
  I was 32 and you said he. I think we're all done here.
• 38:47
  I've seen what I needed to see. Correct.
• 38:50
  Wow. Even 35, even more so.
• 38:53
  This is all done. We're all done.
• 38:57
  Relax, dude. I'm not right.
• 38:59
  Me, of all people. I'm not writing all the world as
• 39:03
  Chapman. Watch them on a regular basis.
• 39:05
  I'm telling you it's it's all done.
• 39:08
  He's all done. I mean I saw my I watch my fair
• 39:12
  share of of Chapman being in the in the division like I had.
• 39:16
  I I caught my fair share. I I have a decent understanding
• 39:19
  of what inconsistency he provides you at times but I I
• 39:23
  also know that like he he still got a little bit left in the
• 39:27
  tank. I think we can.
• 39:28
  I think we can acknowledge that. And I think the Pirates, that's
• 39:31
  the entire reason they made this move, because.
• 39:34
  I don't think it's the tank that's the issue.
• 39:37
  It's this that's the issue. It's the noggin.
• 39:40
  That guy has an ego bigger than his biceps, I'm telling you
• 39:44
  right now. I get it.
• 39:47
  It just doesn't work. You can't drive your weird
• 39:50
  Hummer tank into Pittsburgh the same way that you've seen when
• 39:56
  he drives right that thing. Oh yeah, that's.
• 39:58
  It has like 6 wheels. Tank, I was trying.
• 40:07
  I was trying to. You mentioned the ego I was
• 40:09
  trying to find there. There it is.
• 40:15
  It. It was a tweet he put out July
• 40:19
  6. I I'll never forget this.
• 40:20
  I love this so much and anytime it comes up, I'm going to
• 40:23
  reference it. But it was a tweet from July
• 40:25
  6th. I guess he was with the yeah, he
• 40:28
  was with the Yankees. At this point he's he must have
• 40:31
  had like a bad stretch. But he said for all those people
• 40:35
  that criticize my bad moments, I will tell them that I do not
• 40:38
  know how. I will tell them that I do not
• 40:40
  know how my story ends. But in its pages, you will never
• 40:44
  read a quote. I gave up so I will move on.
• 40:47
  I still have many wars to win and Minnie Mouse to shut up.
• 40:50
  This was in 2021 and this guy shout out Jake Weist quote
• 40:55
  tweets and said dog we're not asking you to storm Normandy.
• 40:58
  We just need free apples and it just makes me think.
• 41:03
  And like I know we just got done talking about like the mentality
• 41:06
  closures and I know they're a different breed but I I gotta
• 41:10
  agree with you on that he his head goes to some strange
• 41:14
  places. Yeah, but yeah, I, as I'll say
• 41:21
  it, I think that's the entire reason the Pirates are doing it.
• 41:23
  They're they recognize that even with the additions they've made.
• 41:28
  And I'm not, I'm not going to write off the Pirates
• 41:29
  necessarily. I think they'll give us another
• 41:31
  interesting run, sort of like they did this year or this this
• 41:34
  past season, which I completely forgot that they added Martin
• 41:41
  Perez, Marco Gonzalez, which I think are intriguing additions.
• 41:45
  It's yeah, it's formidable and it's competitive and like that I
• 41:49
  have to give them credit for like you're going to compete,
• 41:53
  you're not going to lay down the way you have been.
• 41:54
  So, like, I applaud them for that.
• 41:58
  Yeah. But yeah, I assuming they end up
• 42:03
  in the same situation as they do last year where they get to the
• 42:06
  deadline and they're looking up from the bottom of the division
• 42:09
  or at whatever point that happened, I think it had to have
• 42:12
  been close to the deadline, right, if not much earlier.
• 42:15
  I think it didn't clear. Yeah, it didn't.
• 42:17
  Last very long? No.
• 42:19
  But they're gonna get to deadline and if he's thrown
• 42:21
  well, which they can only hope is the case, they're gonna flip
• 42:24
  him for. The.
• 42:26
  Names to add to the it's. Smart.
• 42:28
  It's like it's the number of you buy enough lottery tickets,
• 42:31
  right? Like if you have enough of these
• 42:33
  veterans that you can flip and they turn into a high a AA, you
• 42:38
  know, 7th or 8th prospect in someone's organization, like
• 42:45
  someone's going to, they're going to strike gold with
• 42:47
  somebody eventually. So keep doing what you're doing.
• 42:51
  But like, yeah, we got to start building around that core that
• 42:56
  you're you're starting it. Like O'Neill Cruz deserves some
• 43:01
  support, you know what I mean? Cabrin Hayes deserves some.
• 43:04
  Support. My mom's out of family.
• 43:08
  A lot of them are Pirates fans because they're up in like
• 43:11
  southwest Pennsylvania. So they're they're big Pirates
• 43:14
  fans up there. And every time I talk to my
• 43:17
  uncle about it, he is always like, it's a great point, but
• 43:21
  he's always like as good as the players that we have in our
• 43:25
  minor league system, as as good as they are, it doesn't matter
• 43:28
  because we're literally the farm system for all of Major League
• 43:31
  Baseball because we don't pay anybody.
• 43:33
  So it's like if you're able to assuming they they flip him for
• 43:38
  some minor league guys that I I doubt they would flip them for
• 43:42
  or they would flip a guy like Chapman for Major League ready
• 43:44
  players because why bother at that point If you're flipping
• 43:47
  them in the 1st place, assuming you get some names in there and
• 43:50
  they do blossom into something special, you got to change your
• 43:55
  philosophy as an organization and pay the guys.
• 43:57
  Like, it doesn't matter if you you cash out on some of these
• 44:00
  lottery tickets, like you got to pay the guys.
• 44:02
  Yup, Yup, Yup. All that to say, Earl Chapman to
• 44:08
  the Pirates, we want to run through this Hall of Fame ballot
• 44:15
  real quick. The results are dropping
• 44:18
  Tuesday, so chances are the day that you're listening to this is
• 44:23
  the same day that the 2024 Hall of Fame ballot will be
• 44:27
  announced. We don't necessarily need to do
• 44:30
  like a deep dive or or anything because I'm sure we'll get our
• 44:34
  fair take of that as the the results become official.
• 44:37
  And we have been for some time now.
• 44:38
  Like this is the time of year where you you see names like you
• 44:44
  know, Manny Ramirez, Gary Sheffield.
• 44:47
  These names circulate every time around this year or every every
• 44:52
  point of the year that we're in now.
• 44:54
  Every time that happens, we regurgitate the same
• 44:58
  conversations. Yeah.
• 45:01
  You see some percentages bump up, you see some percentages
• 45:05
  fall, but we talked about it nonetheless because this is the
• 45:08
  part of the year where you don't really have much to talk about.
• 45:11
  So we're sick and ahead. Like I said, we don't need to do
• 45:15
  necessarily need to do a deep dive, but if you had a ballot
• 45:21
  and they I know you don't. Well, I mean unless you want to
• 45:23
  pull one up, I know it's you probably don't have one pulled
• 45:26
  up. But if you'd like to pull up the
• 45:28
  2024 ballot, I was curious as to your gut take on who you're
• 45:35
  putting in. Gut reaction.
• 45:37
  Just read through the names I'll I'll give it quick.
• 45:39
  Yes or no? If you had a vote, Bobby Abreu.
• 45:43
  No. First time on the ballot, Jose
• 45:48
  Bautista. No.
• 45:50
  Remember, you get 10 votes. Sure.
• 45:52
  Do you need all 10? Carlos Beltran.
• 45:56
  No. Adrian Beltre.
• 45:59
  Yes. Mark Burley.
• 46:02
  No. Bartolo Cologne.
• 46:05
  No Adrian Gonzalez. No.
• 46:15
  Todd Hilton. Yes.
• 46:18
  Matt Holiday, First time on the ballot?
• 46:22
  No. For the record, first time on
• 46:25
  the ballot for Adrian Beltre, Bartolo Cologne, Adrian
• 46:27
  Gonzalez. I miss those, Tory Hunter.
• 46:31
  Yes. Andrew Jones, Yes.
• 46:35
  Good. First time on about Victor
• 46:37
  Martinez? No first time on a ballot.
• 46:42
  Joe Mauer. Yes.
• 46:45
  First time on a ballot Brandon Phillips No Love You B Phil.
• 46:49
  But no, Manny Ramirez admitted to BED use for for those that
• 47:03
  care are. You going to say no just because
• 47:08
  of that, But like numbers wise, of course, just legacy.
• 47:16
  And like in my mind I'm like thinking of like were you the
• 47:21
  most feared player at your position for a substantial
• 47:24
  amount of your career? Of course he was.
• 47:28
  It's just it's so hard to say yes with that because I don't
• 47:32
  feel like opening up that can of worms.
• 47:34
  So I'll say no. With the PED stuff, yeah, yeah,
• 47:38
  I mean that's a he'll all die on like regard.
• 47:41
  People can say what the what they want about the PE DS but to
• 47:44
  me and inherit bias there. Being.
• 47:48
  With with the socks, for the era that he was, but in my mind, one
• 47:53
  of the greatest right-handed hitters of our generation.
• 47:56
  Yeah, yeah. Take the PE DS out of it.
• 47:59
  The guy's a. He's a pure.
• 48:00
  Hitter dude. The dude literally, like,
• 48:06
  literally played mind games with pitchers and, like, baited them
• 48:09
  into pitching certain throwing certain pitches in certain
• 48:14
  moments of certain games, and taking advantage of it.
• 48:17
  And would. Swing intentionally be.
• 48:19
  Looking like an idiot in certain situations to get that pitch
• 48:23
  later. Absurd.
• 48:25
  Absurd. Just insane for some on the
• 48:29
  belt, Jose Reyes. No.
• 48:33
  Alex Rodriguez. No.
• 48:37
  Francisco. Rodriguez same same pretty much
• 48:40
  copy and paste what you said about Manny.
• 48:42
  Sure, Sure. Francisco Rodriguez.
• 48:48
  Also PED user. Yeah, did he get popped?
• 48:52
  I felt like he went through some suspensions.
• 49:04
  What did he he. Did he?
• 49:05
  No. Was it steroids?
• 49:08
  Yeah, possibly, Yeah. P or maybe not.
• 49:12
  I don't know if it's steroids, but P DS I believe.
• 49:15
  Gut reaction? No.
• 49:17
  Right. It's been a minute since we had
• 49:19
  to talk about him. Cool glasses, though.
• 49:24
  For sure, Jimmy Rollins. Oh no.
• 49:36
  The very good haul, though. Sure.
• 49:41
  Last year on the ballot. Gary, Sheffield.
• 49:47
  He didn't get in trouble, did he?
• 49:50
  Yeah. He did, yeah, he admitted to it.
• 49:54
  It's so hard to keep. Track now.
• 49:55
  What year was it? He said.
• 50:03
  He claimed he wasn't aware of the cream he used contains
• 50:05
  steroids, but he did. He did acknowledge it.
• 50:11
  No, I'd like to say yes, trust me.
• 50:21
  Yeah, 2003 got to be coming up at the end of the list here.
• 50:29
  James Shields first, someone about.
• 50:31
  No. First, someone about Chase
• 50:33
  Utley. No.
• 50:34
  Omar Vasquel oh. Part of me wants to say yes, but
• 50:40
  you can't be just AI get he's a wizard with the glove.
• 50:48
  But like you can't just be super one-dimensional.
• 50:52
  So I'm going to say Billy. Billy Wagner, I'm.
• 50:57
  Going to say yes, actually. Yep.
• 51:00
  And David Wright. I'm going to say yes as.
• 51:03
  Well, close that might. That might be a case where I
• 51:08
  hold I I I let him ride it out a little bit.
• 51:11
  I would ride it out, Yeah. I don't think he gets in, but
• 51:15
  that puts me at 8:00. What?
• 51:18
  Yeah. Eight guys that are.
• 51:20
  Yes. You said Carlos Beltran, No, you
• 51:22
  said no to Carlos Beltran, right?
• 51:24
  I did. I said no to that.
• 51:26
  So you got Adrian Beltray, Todd Hilton, yes to Tori Hunter, yes
• 51:31
  to Andrew Jones, yes to Joe Mauer, I count 6, and Billy
• 51:41
  Wagner. Oh, no, you said yes to David.
• 51:43
  David Wright. Todd Hilton too.
• 51:46
  Did you get Todd Hilton in there?
• 51:47
  Who am I missing? Adrian Beltrey?
• 51:51
  Todd Hilton? Tory Hunter?
• 51:54
  Andrew Jones? Joe Mauer?
• 51:56
  Oh, I miss Andy Pettit. Damn.
• 52:00
  No, sorry. Love Andy.
• 52:05
  Love Andy. That ball right behind me on my
• 52:07
  shoulder is signed by him. Love Andy.
• 52:10
  But again, can't admit to that stuff.
• 52:16
  Can't. Get caught Did you say yes to
• 52:18
  Jimmy Rollins? I said no to Jimmy Rollins.
• 52:23
  Billy Wagner. David Wright.
• 52:25
  Yeah, I count 7. I don't know.
• 52:26
  No, I. Don't know either.
• 52:28
  I trust you. Thanks.
• 52:31
  Yeah, I'm kind of with you. I don't know.
• 52:33
  I mean I don't know if I'm putting in that many, but your
• 52:36
  thought process and a lot of that I'm I'm with and it's I'm
• 52:40
  just glad to see we're at the point now where guys that you
• 52:42
  and I grew up watching are. Yeah, now we can like give an
• 52:46
  actual opinion on these names. Yeah yeah like you hear these
• 52:49
  these writers and stuff talking all the time about like they
• 52:52
  they were the most feared. Like you were saying like you
• 52:55
  alluded to the most feared hitter of of his era.
• 52:59
  Like we can say we can now say that about like guys that we've
• 53:02
  watched and and can can vouch for to a degree.
• 53:06
  So I think from here on out this will be these these Hall of Fame
• 53:10
  cases will be more fun to. Yeah, for sure.
• 53:13
  To dive into I did have. I didn't know where we were
• 53:18
  going to be because I thought we might be a little short on
• 53:23
  content coming into today's interview before or episode
• 53:28
  before the Chapman stuff dropped and I added a couple things in.
• 53:31
  So I actually took some DMS from Instagram just as a way to
• 53:37
  possibly add some content to it, to maybe beef it up a little
• 53:41
  bit. But we are.
• 53:42
  Now rapid fire on those. Well now ironically we are short
• 53:46
  on time so I'm just going to pick one that I that I liked
• 53:51
  because we still got to get to the Nolan Ryan unbreakable
• 53:53
  record segment. Shout out Brendan on Instagram
• 54:02
  asks 3 hitters and pitchers from the past you'd like to see match
• 54:09
  up against a player from today, right?
• 54:12
  I I guess he means against players from today.
• 54:20
  Can I can I can I make a petition to revise the question
• 54:23
  just to keep it simple? Sure. 3 past pitchers against
• 54:29
  three current hitters. I feel like I like you can't
• 54:37
  help but think of a left on left situation.
• 54:41
  I don't know why it comes to mind but like give me Randy
• 54:44
  Johnson against Bryce Harper. You know, like I don't.
• 54:49
  It's That's an insane at bat. And like, yeah, that's nuts.
• 54:58
  Give me Nolan Ryan against Nolan Arenado.
• 55:02
  The Nolans? Yeah, give me How about try this
• 55:06
  one on for size? How about Pedro Prime Pedro
• 55:12
  versus Jordan Alvarez? I like that.
• 55:14
  I know it's a right on left but. But I like that.
• 55:18
  Power change. Yeah, nasty.
• 55:24
  Arguably the the greatest change up ever.
• 55:27
  It's it's less about, I mean certainly the talent plays into
• 55:30
  it there, but it's more about the attitudes going into that AP
• 55:35
  like give me Pedro at his at his peak and give me your Don when
• 55:40
  he knows he's the the most dangerous hitter on the plane.
• 55:43
  Yeah, yeah. I would love that.
• 55:50
  What's a good ego? It's a crazy ego hitter, like
• 55:55
  current hitter with a crazy ego. Who would you put up?
• 55:59
  Who would you put up against Bob Gibson, a guy that literally
• 56:02
  didn't care about your well-being whatsoever?
• 56:08
  I have such a soft spot for Bob Gibson.
• 56:10
  Dude. Guy was a animal, man.
• 56:15
  Who? Who even had a shot?
• 56:17
  Again, who today? What do you mean a?
• 56:20
  Shot against Bob Gibson. I don't know.
• 56:25
  Let me jog the memory here a little bit.
• 56:27
  Give me, give me. Like, yeah, like a super
• 56:29
  emotional, like the the polar opposite.
• 56:32
  You know what I mean? A pitcher who doesn't care
• 56:36
  versus just the Super emotional hitter.
• 56:39
  Yeah, the coldest guy on the mound that you could possibly
• 56:43
  have. And Bob Gibson.
• 56:47
  Oh dude, easy answer. Give me Bob Gibson against
• 56:53
  Ronald Acuna Junior. I like that.
• 56:57
  That can you. Are you kidding me?
• 57:00
  Because that I mean, I'm, I'm putting my money on Bob Gibson.
• 57:04
  I don't care. But Can you imagine if Ronald
• 57:07
  Acuna was aware of his stature going into an AB and he connects
• 57:12
  on one. Yeah.
• 57:13
  And it it goes 445. Nuke.
• 57:19
  I like that. Was it good?
• 57:21
  My goodness, it's. A good matchups, yeah.
• 57:27
  Oh. Man, I want to see that.
• 57:30
  Give me Bob Gibson, Ronald Kane Junior.
• 57:33
  All right, That was fun. But about to have a little bit
• 57:39
  more fun here. Nolan Ryan's unbreakable record
• 57:42
  of career strikeouts. As I like to do for these
• 57:47
  segments. Before we get into the actual
• 57:49
  record, gonna give a little background as to their career
• 57:53
  accomplishments. No one had enough time for this.
• 57:58
  We I could. I could talk for hours.
• 58:00
  Full episode, Yeah. Yeah, like I said you before we
• 58:04
  got on Dude. The dude is a walking,
• 58:07
  unbreakable record. For better and for worse, 'cause
• 58:11
  he he put up some pretty God awful walk numbers too, if
• 58:15
  we're, if we're being honest, career accomplishments for Nolan
• 58:20
  Ryan, Hall of Famer, eight time All Star, 1969 World Series
• 58:24
  champ, two time ERA title winner, he accumulated a WAR of
• 58:29
  81.3. He was 324 and 292 in his in his
• 58:34
  career 319 ERA, 5386 innings pitched and the record that
• 58:42
  alluded to 5714 career strikeouts most all time.
• 58:48
  Obviously that's why we're talking about it.
• 58:50
  Also most all time career walks, 2795 and he had a WHIP of 1247.
• 59:00
  Honestly, one of the most intriguing elements of Nolan
• 59:05
  Ryan's career to me is the fact that the man pitched in four
• 59:12
  separate decades. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't even
• 59:17
  make sense. It does not.
• 59:20
  Like you can tell me that he pitched for 27 years, but that
• 59:24
  that math doesn't math it. Does not.
• 59:26
  How did you're telling me he pitched for for 40 years, 'cause
• 59:31
  that's basically when you tell me he pitched for four decades.
• 59:34
  That's what. That's what I'm hearing.
• 59:35
  I know that. Comes to mind for me, I.
• 59:36
  Know that doesn't make sense, but that's what I'm hearing.
• 59:39
  He he may as well have 'cause it.
• 59:41
  I I feel like it seemed as though he pitched for 40 years,
• 59:43
  but he pitched for 27 years, averaged 246 strikeouts for 27
• 59:53
  years, not just like one season. Yeah.
• 59:58
  Averaged 246 strikeouts for 27 years.
• 1:00:01
  I think he what was the top year was like 380 something.
• 1:00:05
  Dude, it was gross. Where was it?
• 1:00:10
  He posted 383 strikeouts in 1973, which stands as the modern
• 1:00:15
  era, or, since 1900, stands as a record for that era.
• 1:00:19
  The very next year he put up 367 KS, which, by the way, is fourth
• 1:00:26
  highest. Imagine if fantasy baseball was
• 1:00:31
  as big back then. Yeah, maybe.
• 1:00:34
  This is the maybe this is the lens that we need to start
• 1:00:38
  voting for Hall of Farmers for, right?
• 1:00:40
  Would you pick this guy up in fantasy?
• 1:00:42
  Baseball Is he your number one overall pick?
• 1:00:45
  For Nolan Ryan, I'm going to go ahead and say yeah, he's
• 1:00:48
  probably going in the first round.
• 1:00:51
  It's absurd, man. It's absurd.
• 1:00:55
  Do you? I You said you had some some
• 1:00:57
  Nuggets, but I I've got some as well.
• 1:00:59
  How do you want to do this? I have non Nolan Nuggets.
• 1:01:01
  I have other people's Nuggets that bleed into if this is ever
• 1:01:06
  touchable. So you keep going with your
• 1:01:10
  Nolan stuff, all right? Getting into the career record
• 1:01:18
  itself surpass the record on April 27th, 1983 he still had
• 1:01:31
  similar to Ricky like we talked about last episode with his
• 1:01:35
  career steals record where he was the he was the record for.
• 1:01:39
  He's a record holder. For more, For more.
• 1:01:42
  Time that he played than he than he didn't.
• 1:01:44
  Yeah, just. Insane.
• 1:01:45
  That's so weird. April 27th, 1983, Nolan Ryan
• 1:01:49
  still had ten seasons left when he broke the record.
• 1:01:55
  He was going to play for another 10 years, which I know sounds
• 1:02:00
  crazy or it's it would sound crazy if it was a different
• 1:02:04
  career. But considering he played for 27
• 1:02:06
  years, it's like, OK, I kind of get it, but impressive
• 1:02:10
  nonetheless. Let me see past Walter Johnson
• 1:02:17
  who had 3509 and I I may have I I think I read that it was
• 1:02:22
  similar to the Pete Rose situation with his hits record
• 1:02:25
  that there was some confusion or uncertain.
• 1:02:29
  Of when it happened. As to when it happened, so I I
• 1:02:32
  actually think that there was a little bit of confusion back and
• 1:02:35
  forth on that. But as far as we know, Walter
• 1:02:39
  Johnson at 3509. For his career, Ryan led the
• 1:02:47
  league in strikeouts 11 times. Red LED his league 11 times, LED
• 1:02:54
  all of baseball 7 times. He reached the 200 strikeout
• 1:03:00
  plateau in 15 seasons, two more than any anyone else.
• 1:03:08
  Randy Johnson ranked second all time behind Nolan Ryan with
• 1:03:11
  4875, and if he would have pitched another four years
• 1:03:18
  averaging 200 K's, he still would be behind Ryan.
• 1:03:24
  We mentioned the 383 strikeouts in 1973.
• 1:03:32
  Oh, these are always my favorite.
• 1:03:33
  This is this is kind of like the Ricky step that I threw out
• 1:03:37
  there last time. I like it.
• 1:03:40
  For a pitcher making their debut to reach Nolan Ryan's total,
• 1:03:44
  they would have to average just over 9.5 strikeouts while at
• 1:03:50
  while pitching 30 games a year for 20 years this.
• 1:03:58
  Will never happen. Like, you see those graphics all
• 1:04:02
  the time. Like, throughout, throughout the
• 1:04:04
  course of a regular season, where a pitcher reaches he, He
• 1:04:07
  notches his 10th strikeout on a given night on a random Tuesday
• 1:04:10
  in July, and you get the graphic. 10 KS.
• 1:04:13
  What a dominant night for Nicole.
• 1:04:15
  Whoever. Average that please. 9 1/2
• 1:04:20
  strikeouts for 20 years and you can't Anthony Rendon this You
• 1:04:25
  have to actually play the game. You have to pitch 30 times.
• 1:04:30
  You have to make thirty starts for 20 years.
• 1:04:37
  You're not touching that. It'll just never happen.
• 1:04:40
  And I think my favorite parts of this conversation are, like,
• 1:04:44
  talking about today's velocity and movement.
• 1:04:48
  Hello. Nolan did that too, didn't he?
• 1:04:54
  Wasn't. He clocked to like 98 on his
• 1:04:56
  very last pitch that he blew his elbow out like.
• 1:05:01
  The guy the guy literally threw until his arm fell off.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah, yeah, One of the. Greatest to ever do it, his
• 1:05:09
  records never being touched. It's never going to be touched.
• 1:05:11
  You're never going to see pitchers go that long in games
• 1:05:14
  anymore, because if you look at all those years, the dude threw
• 1:05:17
  a million innings. 200 innings is like chump change.
• 1:05:27
  Do you have the nugget about last year?
• 1:05:29
  No. Well, you bring that, you bring
• 1:05:33
  up a good point. In 1974, Ryan set his career
• 1:05:37
  high with 332 2/3 inning. Pitched.
• 1:05:42
  In 2023, Logan Webb LED all of baseball with 216 innings
• 1:05:48
  pitched. Yeah, it's never going to
• 1:05:51
  happen. We talk about we, we praise guys
• 1:05:53
  for getting 200 innings four or five times in a career.
• 1:05:57
  So they're never, it's never going to be longevity.
• 1:06:00
  You're never gonna make 30 starts just year over year.
• 1:06:04
  It's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen.
• 1:06:11
  I did more of like today's game with this just to, you know,
• 1:06:15
  obviously people aren't really, like looking up these numbers as
• 1:06:19
  they're listening to this. So we're talking just current
• 1:06:21
  guys, current active leaders, Max Scherzer, who's currently
• 1:06:28
  11th all time Verlander right behind him at 12th.
• 1:06:32
  Granke is in 20th all time, Kershaw 21st guys who are right
• 1:06:40
  there, Wainwright, who just retired, so I crossed him off
• 1:06:45
  Chris Sale and Gary Cole. But I'm looking at this list and
• 1:06:50
  I'm like, who, who's on track to kind of get close?
• 1:06:58
  And I wanted to look at like younger names because even like
• 1:07:01
  Garrett Cole on this list, who's 3132, he's not sniffing anywhere
• 1:07:07
  near, you know what I mean? He may be lucky to get in Top
• 1:07:10
  10. So I was like we need a name 30.
• 1:07:13
  3. 33 We need a name who's just really young and like putting up
• 1:07:22
  impressive numbers. So I decided Spencer Strider,
• 1:07:29
  he's 24 years old, just finished his second year in the league.
• 1:07:35
  I do not count his rookie year. I think he only threw like two
• 1:07:37
  or three innings his rookie year, so I don't think that even
• 1:07:40
  counts. And technically he didn't even
• 1:07:42
  have a strikeout in those few innings, so we're good.
• 1:07:47
  He is currently 483 career strikeouts in his two years, so
• 1:07:52
  that's averaging 241.5 a year. If he was to do that for 15
• 1:08:01
  years, averaging 241 1/2 strikeouts a year put some a
• 1:08:09
  little over. 3600 strikeouts was just good enough for 7th all
• 1:08:13
  time. This just puts this in
• 1:08:18
  perspective. Even though we're in a strikeout
• 1:08:24
  era, a home runner bust era, you still need to have longevity.
• 1:08:35
  You still need to show up every day, every year for 20 plus
• 1:08:40
  years, which doesn't happen anymore.
• 1:08:42
  Guys don't have 20 year careers anymore.
• 1:08:46
  This record's not going anywhere.
• 1:08:48
  Nolan Ryan was 46 years old when his arm inevitably fell off.
• 1:08:56
  Spencer Strider's not throwing until he's. 22 more years?
• 1:08:59
  No. Nope.
• 1:09:01
  Because yeah, you had me there for a minute.
• 1:09:04
  And trust me, I'm not. I'm not thinking like, oh wait,
• 1:09:06
  hold on, Spencer Strider's going to break.
• 1:09:08
  He's going to be the guy to do it.
• 1:09:09
  I wasn't thinking that, but I was like, OK, this is a like a
• 1:09:12
  compelling case for a guy who's, you know, going to hopefully for
• 1:09:18
  him maybe one day be in the conversation of top 10,
• 1:09:21
  whatever. And I say that because I was
• 1:09:25
  looking at when Nolan's career finally got really going because
• 1:09:31
  although he made his debut for the Mets in 66 at age 19, he
• 1:09:37
  only he only threw 3 innings and then 67.
• 1:09:42
  He had the arm injury. So he he missed the whole year.
• 1:09:45
  So he didn't really make like his true.
• 1:09:48
  He didn't really arrive on scene until 68, when he was 21.
• 1:09:52
  And Spencer Strider, 24. Well, broke in at 22 so.
• 1:09:59
  Yeah, broke in at 22. But like you said that that 2021
• 1:10:03
  year he threw to two and a third.
• 1:10:06
  So you're looking at 2022. He was 23 years old.
• 1:10:09
  So I mean, kind of, it's not as jarring as if Nolan would have
• 1:10:16
  stayed healthy at age 19. So I mean you're you're really
• 1:10:19
  starting his clock at 21. But yeah, but that's The thing
• 1:10:22
  is that like you stay on this pace for 15 years and you're
• 1:10:25
  still 2100 strike out short, so. That's just silly, man.
• 1:10:36
  Come on. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:40
  Every time, every time Nolan Ryan gets brought up, whether
• 1:10:44
  it's like a post I see or something like this where we do
• 1:10:46
  like a little bit of a deep dive, I immediately go shopping
• 1:10:51
  for like, merch. I'm like, all right.
• 1:10:53
  Let me ask you this dude. And like, we don't need to spend
• 1:10:56
  too much time on this. But sure is he overlooked when,
• 1:11:00
  when everybody talks about their Mount Rushmore baseball, is he
• 1:11:07
  just forgotten about? Like, I like I have so and I've
• 1:11:11
  already shared them, but I just love recycling them on Facebook.
• 1:11:16
  There's so many mind blowing. Just like Nuggets about this
• 1:11:22
  guy's career. Like, we all know.
• 1:11:25
  In fact, I put out the 1:00 today just to show you how
• 1:11:29
  dominant this guy was and people people all the time want to
• 1:11:32
  throw out like the well, the he he had the most walks.
• 1:11:36
  Yeah. He threw for like 80 years.
• 1:11:38
  Like, yeah, you're going to you're going to accumulate some
• 1:11:40
  walks. I, I, I that's understandable.
• 1:11:44
  The one put out tonight. You've heard about Nolan Ryan's
• 1:11:49
  seven no hitters. But did you know the eight time
• 1:11:52
  All Star had five no hitters broken up in the 9th inning?
• 1:11:57
  The guy almost had 12 no hitters.
• 1:12:02
  So yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say he's a little
• 1:12:04
  overlooked. And the fact that he didn't have
• 1:12:07
  a single Cy Young, that's that's a.
• 1:12:08
  Lot. Stupid.
• 1:12:09
  Stupid. Like, I get it if if you have to
• 1:12:14
  do a a breakdown of just how like, detailed his numbers
• 1:12:20
  compared to whoever won it in a given year.
• 1:12:22
  But like at a certain point when he's been in the league for 8
• 1:12:25
  decades, you think, OK, this guy's been dominant for long
• 1:12:31
  enough of a stretch, give him the knot.
• 1:12:33
  Yeah, just just slide him one. Just give him the edge.
• 1:12:36
  There's a little bit. It's too bad.
• 1:12:39
  Let's not make this like a posthumous thing where like he
• 1:12:42
  he passes away and then we're like, well we're going to give
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  him a bonus Cy Young Award for the fill in the blank season
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  because of how, like let let's, let's, let's give no.
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  Minus flowers. Let's give him his flowers while
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  we still can. We we need to stop under rating
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  this man because the guy was you want to talk about most feared
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  of a of an era try like a multiple eras.
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  The guy he struck out players who then went on to have sons
• 1:13:17
  who he then struck out like multiple.
• 1:13:19
  Not just like it happened multiple times.
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  So go ahead and take that like most feared in a generation
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  thing and times it by like two or three and then you have Nolan
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  Ryan. That's so good.
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  That's where we're at. Anyway, all right, that's that's
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  enough on that. Anything else you wanted to add
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  before we get out of here? No, that's all I got, baby.
• 1:13:45
  Yeah. That was fun.
• 1:13:50
  Good stuff. What a no.
• 1:13:54
  I'll save it. I'll tease a little bit.
• 1:13:56
  Yeah, I was going to say I'd, I'd rather we'll just keep close
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  to the vest. I'll figure it out.
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  Yeah, we have plenty. I don't think we're going to run
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  low anytime soon. No.
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  I don't think so. Don't think so.
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  Yes, we've got Rendon, Hater, Chapman, Hall of Fame Nolan
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  Ryan. Good stuff.
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  In the books 409 Good. Meat and potatoes type stuff, no
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  fluff. No fluff, appreciate y'all
• 1:14:29
  listening. Again, we're trying to get to 2K
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  on YouTube, so if you're if you're hearing this, if you've
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  been listening to the pod for some time, if you're new, do us
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  a solid. Even if you don't want to watch
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  on YouTube, Go subscribe and we're going to get to 2K by the
• 1:14:47
  end of 2024 and I don't want it to have to come down to like the
• 1:14:50
  final days because that that would.
• 1:14:52
  It just gets embarrassing at that.
• 1:14:53
  Point Well, it's it's stressful, man.
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  I don't want to have to be watching the clock in December.
• 1:14:59
  Reaching out to people you don't know, putting out Flyers on
• 1:15:02
  people's car windows. Street corners like getting run
• 1:15:06
  down by the police. I don't.
• 1:15:07
  I don't need that. We don't.
• 1:15:09
  We don't need that. Just do what you need to do.
• 1:15:12
  Just go ahead and take care of that for us and also check out
• 1:15:18
  the check out the merch link is in the bio on our socials.
• 1:15:22
  But other than that we'll we need to get to a three O change
• 1:15:26
  it up soon. It's been a minute.
• 1:15:27
  We are due. We are due.
• 1:15:29
  Let's get that. Let's get that soon.
• 1:15:31
  We have a running list, so we'll we'll get to, we'll get to some
• 1:15:35
  soon. Other than that, I think that's
• 1:15:39
  all we got. Sweet, don't go chasing
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  curveballs. Levon is always looking forward
• 1:15:45
  to talking more baseball with you guys.
• 1:15:46
  Soon. Until next time, stay filthy.