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Guest Hypnotist Stephen Travers on Havening · The Hypnotist

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Hi, it's Adam here. And on this episode of The
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Hypnotist, I'm joined by a very special guest who is one of the
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most influential figures in the world of Havening, Stephen
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Travers. Welcome to the show.
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Thank you, Adam. It's a pleasure to be here.
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Great to be here. We're going to be speaking at
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the Irish Hypnotherapy Conference in April.
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We're not here to talk about the conference.
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We are here to talk about you. So give us a little bit of a
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background for you, for people that aren't familiar with either
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you or Havening, just so they get to know you a bit.
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Yeah, sure. So as you mentioned, my name is
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Stephen Travers, a hypnotherapist for over 20 years
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now. I started my hypnotherapy
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journey back in 2002, probably best known, as you mentioned,
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for being one of the world's most experienced international
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havening trainers. I've trained over 500 therapists
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and health professionals in havening across the world
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through the certified trainings. I primarily specialize in
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working with clients with anxiety based disorders and
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trauma there is such as panic attacks, PTSD, anxiety, fears,
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phobias, complex trauma, etcetera.
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And I'm really passionate about training and educating
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therapists and health professionals and how to achieve
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fast lasting an extraordinary results for their clients with
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anxiety based disorders and trauma.
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And in that process had to create a thriving, impactful
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therapy practice. So it's, it's such AI think an
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important conversation that we're having right now because a
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lot of people when they think of therapy, they think entirely of
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talk therapy. And when you've got things that
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are slightly different from conversation, and that could be,
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you know, things like EMDR or or havening it, it isn't often on
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the radar for a lot of people. And, you know, there is this
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kind of, I think need for us to kind of educate.
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How did you first become aware of Havening and and really see
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the impact that it has on on on the clients you were working
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with? Yeah, sure.
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So I suppose like my psychological makeup is I'm a
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very results orientated person. I'm one of these people.
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Like the end justifies the means.
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Yeah, within reason. So I was doing doing
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hypnotherapy in my practice for about a decade and I was
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learning different modalities along the way, like TFT and
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certified and the the tapping techniques.
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And I've trained in various other modalities, the ones that
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I feel get the best results. And I came across an interview,
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this was around 2011 with the famous hypnotherapist Paul
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McKenna. And he mentioned that there was
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this new breakthrough therapy coming out soon that he believed
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was going to have a huge impact on the entire industry.
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So this got me very curious. And I started doing a bit of
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research online. And there was no trainings at
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the time, but I came across a book called In the Past as
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Always Present by Doctor Ron Rudin, which was a book really
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about all the neuroscience behind Havening.
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And I got the book, was very impressed with the science and
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the promise of the results it created.
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And I started using it. Then very quickly afterwards, I
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contacted the doctors directly in the US and I ended up doing
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some of the very first trainings.
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And the rest is history after that, really over the last 12
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years. But the reason why I so pulled
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into it was because when I was using it, I could see that I was
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getting remarkable results within minutes for clients with
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even the most severe anxiety based issues and trauma.
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And once again, the results that I was looking at.
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And interestingly, it really complemented the hypnotherapy
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work I was doing as well as I still use my my main modalities
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are really havening and hypnotherapy processes or or
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techniques. Amazing.
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And obviously without breaking any, any kind of
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confidentiality, can you recall an early client that Havening
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had that level of impact and it kind of it was that light bulb
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moment. It's like, wow, everything
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changes from from that point onwards.
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Yeah, well, I could see it from the the very start from people I
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was working with, because I wasn't really even sure.
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Like I was still figuring out why this was working so
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effectively because there's a lot of neuroscience behind it.
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But one client that does stand out was a lady called Paula.
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And Paula comes to my office one day, just come back about a
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decade ago with severe anxiety, panic attacks.
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She was quite frank, nearly on the verge of a a nervous
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breakdown. And she came in highly
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distressed, literally very fragile stage, almost
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abreacting, very severe case. And we went ahead, did the
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havening, and it was like a 180° turn around from someone highly
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distressed, traumatized to completely calm, relaxed and at
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ease. We even got a video testimonial
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at the end of that session as well.
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And Paula's turn around was so quick, so extraordinary that she
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actually ended up doing Havening training, but within a year
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later and doing hypnotherapy training on my advice or
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recommendation and from someone who knew little or nothing about
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therapy, she ended up becoming a hypnotherapist and a havening
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practitioner. And she now has one of the most
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successful hypnotherapy havening practices in Ireland.
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So she that completely changed our life.
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I did, I think two. It was 2 sessions in total I did
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with her. And you mentioned the
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neuroscience before, because for people that don't understand
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what's happening, it kind of looks like someone is stroking
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or rubbing, you know, the mainly the limbs, the arms, you know,
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and those kind of things. Give us an insight.
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Obviously with your, your depth of knowledge, you kind of know
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actually what's happening, you know, at the neurological level
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when that's happening. So give us an idea of of how it
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all links together and, and how it helps with anxiety.
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And if you could maybe clarify because I think sometimes people
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think, well, if you just deal with the symptom and a lot of
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anxiety medication just deals with the symptom but not the
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cause. Well then when the medication
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wears off, the anxiety comes back.
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Does the hevening have long term impacts or does it just calm
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someone down while they're experiencing when the immediate
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aftermath of the hevening? Yeah, sure.
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Great. Great question.
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Or questions. Yeah.
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So what we've discovered is that anxiety based disorders or
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issues such as panic attacks, PTSD, phobias, even generalized
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anxiety issues are really a consequence of unresolved past
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stressful experiences that accumulate in the nervous system
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and specific traumatic events which become neurobiologically
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encoded in a part of the brain called the laferal amygdala.
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That's the fight flight fear response center as we know
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through a very specific type of a receptor called an
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ampereceptor. And what we can do with here
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evening is completely imperatively remove those
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ampereceptors off the amygdala within minutes to not only
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resolve the clients presenting problem, but also the past
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trauma or traumas. You have to look at it from the
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context of when someone's having a traumatic experience.
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These amperusaptors are getting encoded on the amygdala and they
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are downloading all the emotional and physiological
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components of the stress in that moment.
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So if that person's heart rate is elevated, it's palpitating,
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they have a knot in their stomach, they're feeling really
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harsh, they're feeling emotions of fear, anxiety, anger.
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All that deal is getting downloaded and encoded through
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the receptors into the the amygdala and the nervous system.
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So the traumatic event or the situation ends, but that's now
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locked inside the amygdala. It's encoded.
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So if that person recalls or thinks about that memory, there
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will be very high likelihood it's going to bring up
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uncomfortable emotions or feelings.
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The other thing is if something reminds them of that memory,
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could be something that looks similar, sounds similar, it
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could even be a smell. It has the potential to activate
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the amygdala because the amygdala is now seeing this as
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dangerous or unsafe and it will flood the body with adrenaline
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and cortisol. So when we're working with
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clients, yeah, we're not necessarily just looking to
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treat or, you know, just target the symptoms.
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We're looking for those past events or those amper receptors
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got encoded. Because if we can go in and find
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those memories or situations and the link, if you like, disrupt
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that neural pathway, it completely resolves the issue.
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And any stimuli or cues in the client's present situation that
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was triggering off those amper receptors won't be able to
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trigger it off anymore because those amper receptors are
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removed or gone and it disrupts it clears out that neural
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pathway. I suppose that's a a bit of
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insight and depth, yeah, how it actually works.
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So it, it sounds like it's, it's doing two different things.
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Like one, there's an element of a pattern interrupt the what
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normally kind of happens it, it kind of messes up that pattern
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so it can't happen automatically.
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But it's also bringing in I, I would imagine like the soothing
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sensations of the of the havening is then associated into
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that very thing. So it again, it calms it down,
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but it it kind of activates something new rather than that
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old pattern that's kind of playing out.
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Yeah, like Havening is a, as you mentioned, it's a touch or
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psychosensory therapy where we're applying sensory touch,
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where we stroke the arms, the palms, the face, and we also use
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psychological distraction techniques.
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And when we apply the soothing touch, it produces something
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called delta waves in the brain. These delta waves register about
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.5 to 2 Hertz per cycle per second in slow way of sleep.
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So they're really slow calming brain waves and every time
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there's an electrical change in the brain, there's
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simultaneously a chemical change.
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So delta waves are synonymous with serotonin, oxytocin and
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GABA. So essentially when you're
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having someone, you're changing the electrochemical landscape of
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their brain and calming their whole body and autonomic nervous
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system than So it's very soothing, comforting experience
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when someone is havening themselves or being havens.
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From a more neuroscientific perspective, when we activate
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the amygdala where those ampereceptors are, the delta
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waves flow in to the neurons with the ampereceptors, and they
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create a chemical called calcineurin inside the neurons
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with these receptors, and they're stuck there.
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And this calcineurin dephosphorylates, which means it
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unglues or unsticks the amphoreceptors off.
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There's something called the phosphate molecule, it's holding
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them there. And once that phosphate molecule
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disappears, those receptors recycle and they're completely
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gone. And that essentially removes the
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cognitive, the emotional, the autonomic and somatosensory
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components of the stress. It just delinks the whole thing.
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It like it switches it off. The fear, the anxiety, that
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fight or flight freeze reaction, it, it just completely clears
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us. It's amazing because I think
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sometimes people think if you think of therapy used to be
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perceived in the 1980s, it's kind of like, OK, there's
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something wrong with you and you're going to need therapy for
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life. And I think people are learning
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that actually if you do the right kind of therapy at the
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right time, actually that's enough.
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Like you don't have to kind of keep doing this forever and
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ever. Do you find that some people,
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you know, do regular havening rather than just to deal with
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panic attacks or phobias or anxiety?
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But it's more part of a routine in the same way that some people
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would meditate and some people would, you know, have spa
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weekends. Are people using havening as
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part of like a lifestyle ritual? Yeah, we teach all our clients
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and people we work with with Havening to regularly South
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Haven every day because it's very good for building up
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emotional resilience. It's an excellent just general
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stress control technique, just like doing a mini meditation or
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an exercise every day. It's very calming to apply.
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So if there's something bothering you, it could be
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something mild to moderate. It just calms the full brain and
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body down and puts you into a much more resourceful space
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where you have more bandwidth to actually think more clearly or
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solve the problem or the issue you're working with or just not
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being so reactive towards it. So we call this post traumatic
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growth work. Sometimes that's the term that's
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used. So it's not just all about
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removing past trauma, it's also about how do we develop
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resilience and maintain it moving forward and how to
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prevent future traumatization or stress from getting out of
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control. So yeah, there's various
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applications and there's many different types of techniques we
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use. For example, there's something
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called transpirational heavening that we use on more complex
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developmental trauma. Or there's maybe, you know,
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years of childhood trauma or neglect in someone's past.
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And there's a lot of unresolved emotions like anger, shame,
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abandonment, et cetera, that's linked to many different events
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or a dysfunctional relationship maybe with a parent or a
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caregiver. And yeah, sometimes people come
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to sessions and yeah, it's, it's some sessions are quicker and
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easier than others. Some people come, as we know,
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Adam, and they have a lot of, there's a lot of issues and
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multiple things going on. Maybe they present with several
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anxiety based disorders, PTSD, panic attacks, depression,
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insomnia. And maybe they have, you know,
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they're trying to self medicate with, you know, alcohol or some
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other substance. So you know that that that
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requires, you know, more sessions and more and more work.
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So yeah, just really depends on the client as well.
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I think that's the nature of anxiety, that if you feel
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anxious, then you know, and you've had that for a long
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period of time, that means that you project a future of more
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anxiety and that can lead to hopelessness, which might lead
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to depression. And quite often people get
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anxious about the idea of being anxious.
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So you get this kind of loop that kind of feeds on itself.
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And you're absolutely right, because if you're in an anxious
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state that could trigger, you know, other triggers for, you
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know, new phobias and, and, and it is a slippery slope.
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But it seems like this isn't an excellent tool to help people
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kind of reset, recalibrate, get back on track and feel more
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resourceful, which I think is is very well needed.
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You're going to do a demonstration for us, a bit of
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an experience for for for the, the viewers, the listeners.
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But before you do that, if people are curious about
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learning more about you or Havening, where can they go For
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more information? Yeah, I have a couple of
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different websites. My, I suppose my more 1 to one
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website for private clients is S travershypnosis.com.
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There's lots of information there about Havening and there's
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video testimonials as well and reviews.
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Actually Paula's video testimonial is somewhere in
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there. So that's one place.
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And then there's the havening.steventravers.com
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website as well. That's for the Havening
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training. That's really for people who
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want to become certified in Haven and people like therapists
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and and health professionals. Amazing.
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Well, if you if you drop me a link with those, I'll make sure
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they're in the show notes as well.
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So if you're listening, you can just kind of click the show
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notes, check those out. And if you're interested in
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seeing Steven talk live about Havening, he's going to be at
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the Irish Hypnotherapy Conference in, in April in
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Dublin, early April. So check him out there.
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I'll also be there and I think I'll have some kind of early
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bird discount in the show notes as well.
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So you can kind of check that out.
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But Stephen, you're going to do a demo for us, so I'm going to
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put myself on mute and then hand it over to you.
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Yeah, sure. Thanks, Adam.
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OK, so everyone listening, we're going to do a demonstration of
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havening and I, I know obviously you might not be able to see
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this because you're listening in to the podcast.
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So we're going to do a demonstration, the context of
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reducing stress or anxiety. And before we do, I just want to
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pre frame what exactly we're going to be doing.
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So in a few moments, I will ask you to think about something
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that makes you feel maybe stressed or maybe something
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you're worried about, maybe something in the future, maybe
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something in the past that's bothering you or just how you're
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feeling generally. Maybe you know there's something
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bothering you. You're feeling a bit stressed
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even right now as you listen to this for some reason.
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And I'm simply gonna ask you to scale it on a scale of zero to
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1010 being it's at the highest, extremely stressed or anxious
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and 0. Being completely calm.
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Then I'll say to you, open up your eyes, clear your mind, and
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then we'll begin stroking on our arms.
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Now the key with stroking on the arms, you begin at the top of
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your shoulders and move all the way down to your elbows.
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Think of it like a Swedish massage stroke or if you're
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patting your pest like a cat or a dog.
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So it's soft, gentle, serving, stroking.
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Then we'll simultaneously add in distraction techniques.
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So we'll do a visualization of walking on a beach or through a
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park. We may count backwards from 30
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down to 0 and twos and hum a few songs like Happy Birthday and
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Row Your boat. Now I know that may sound
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strange, but the distraction and visualizations displace the
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distressing or even traumatic memory out of something called
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your working memory and makes the experience much more
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comfortable for you. So that's what we're going to
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do. Oh yeah, one final thing.
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We will also do the palms as well, where we'll stroke our
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palms very gently and softly. Once again, light touch,
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circular motion. And we'll also do the face like
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you're gently washing the face once again, massage from with
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your palms around the foreheads and the ticks.
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And I'll be asking you how far down the scale you're dropping
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from that 10 to 0 after each round.
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So we'll do about 3 rounds off it.
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Then we'll finish up on a hypnotic visualization technique
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where you imagine yourself looking much more calm and
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relaxed and bringing those calming positive feelings which
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you into the rest of the day and the coming days and your future.
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So with that in mind, let's begin.
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So I'd like everyone just to close their eyes for a moment.
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And with your eyes closed, I'd like you to think about
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something that might be bothering you, that's stressing
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you out, making you feel anxious or uncomfortable in somewhere.
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It could even be something that you feel blocked about or that
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you feel stuck about in your life that's bringing up
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uncomfortable feelings. And just notice how you feel
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both emotionally and physically as you think about this
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uncomfortable thought memory issue and give it a number on
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the scale from zero to 1010 being the highest and 0 being
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completely calm and notice how uncomfortable or how high you
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go. Then I'd like you to open up
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your eyes, clear your mind, and then let's begin doing the touch
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on our arms. So I'd like you now to begin
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stroking from the top of your shoulders, all the way down your
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arm, through your elbow. That's it.
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And just keep applying that touch the whole way throughout
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this process. Then I'd like to invite you to
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close your eyes, keep stroking, and imagine walking along to a
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beautiful beach on a summer's day.
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If you don't want to do a beach, by the way, you could do a park
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or a forest or somewhere where you love to go for a walk,
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somewhere very peaceful, calming, and just begin to
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imagine walking in this beautiful place, be it a beach
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or wherever you'd like to go. Picture what you see.
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Just imagine the colors, the images, the landscape, even
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imagine the sand as you walk along and the feeling and
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atmosphere of this peaceful arming place and with every step
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you imagine taking as you keep stroking.
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Count that loud from 1:00 to 20, but me starting at 1234 567 S
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9/10/11 1213141516171819 quality.
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Keep stroking and then we're going to home or sing a song
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together. Let's do happy birthday just a
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few bars. Happy birthday to you.
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Happy birthday, dear Steven. Happy birthday to you.
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Keep stroking and taking a slow, gentle brush right your stroke
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nice and easy, focusing on that soft, soothing touch.
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That's a stroke from the top of your shoulders all the way down
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through your elbows. And just notice without thinking
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of anything, on a scale of 10 to 0, what number comes to mind?
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Now then I'd like you to move to your palms for a moment.
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So just massage the palms of your hands as if you're gently
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washing the palms. Soft circular motions in if you
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are maybe massaging or putting cream on your palms rubbing
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cream or lotion in once again, make sure you close your eyes
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and count backwards with me from Turkey down to 0 in twos out
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loud and really visualize the numbers and as we go down each
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number causes you to relax even more starting at Turkey 20 yes
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26242220801614 wow pan that's massaging the palms the whole
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time drifting down to earth fixed 4/2 sphero and as you keep
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stroking let's sing our home Jingle Bells for the fun of us
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Jingle Bells Jingle Bells Jingle all the way.
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Oh, what fun it is to ride in A1 horoscope and slag.
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Oh. Just keep stroking and humming
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along very good. Keep stroking now as you keep
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stroking, taking a slow, gentle breath.
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Just focus on that soft gentle touch as you massage your palms
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and again, without thinking of anything, just notice noticing
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On a scale of 10 to 0, what number comes the mind?
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Now, once again, just clear your mind and let's move to the face.
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So I'd like you now to start stroking with your hands, your
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fingers and your palms around your forehead and your cheeks as
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if you're gently washing the face, massaging the face around
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the forehead and the cheeks. Soft, gentle strokes.
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That's it. Let's keep stroking.
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This time I'd like you to imagine again walking somewhere,
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Somewhere you've been that was very beautiful, peaceful.
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Maybe it was a lovely holiday you were on, or walking in your
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favorite place and begin to imagine walking there.
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Now picture what you see. So imagine the colors, the
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landscape, remember, recall the sands, even the smell and the
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feeling of that place. Now if you imagine walking in
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this beautiful place or your favorite place, again, count out
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loud from 1:00 to 20 with me with every step you imagine
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taking, heapstroking the whole time starting at 1:00, 2, 345,
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7, 9:00 and 11:00. 12/13/14. Fifteen 16/17/18 19 Righty As we
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keep stroking, we're going to hum Twinkle star together for
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singers. Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
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How I wonder what you are up above the world so high like a
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diamond in the sky. Twinkle, twinkle little star.
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Twinkle, twinkle, little star, how I wonder what you are now as
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you keep stroking, taking a slow chance of rush.
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And again, just notice on a scale of 10 to 0, what number
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comes the mind map and clear your mind and go back down to
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your arms. Just stroke from the top of the
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shoulders all the way down. That's nice and easy.
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Then with your eyes closed, I'd like you to imagine a movie
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screen in front of you, or a big TV plasma screen and imagine a
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future you looking much more calm and relaxed underneath.
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See yourself looking really relaxed and even happy.
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Notice the way your body posture is when you're completely
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relaxed, a facial expression relaxed and happy, your body
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language relaxed and you're just exerting a more calm, relaxing
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energy. Imagine yourself looking really
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relaxed, calm and evinced. Even imagine yourself speaking
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and your voice is softer and more relaxed.
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Make that image for that future you look exactly the way you'd
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like it to be, the way you know it can be.
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Then gently imagine floating into the mindset, body and
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feelings of that future you. So just float right into that
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future you and imagine how it feels, how much more calm and
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relaxed you feel. You're thinking of yourself in
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more positive ways, you're speaking to yourself more
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calmly, slowly. You're feeling much more
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carefree and easy going about yourself and life.
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Things feel easier now and you feel happier.
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You feel good. Notice where you feel those
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comfortable feelings or calm or feelings within your body.
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Could be in your head, your chest, or your stomach and give
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those feelings a positive calming color.
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And imagine that color and feeling spreading up to the top
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of your heads, down to your arms, hands, fingers, chests,
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stomach, legs and face. And as you keep stroking, just
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double the brightness of that color around you.
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Imagine it's filling up your aura with with us, your
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electromagnetic field is filling up with that calming color and
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doubling the brightness off it again so it's 360° around you
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like a calming energy of force fields around you.
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And imagine having and feeling and taking that calming energy
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and and colour which you into the rest of your day.
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And imagine living life in this small peaceful calming place.
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And imagine things feeling easier and you feeling better.
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Even imagine bringing this calming energy and feeling and
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colour which you into tomorrow, then into the following day and
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the rest of your week, months or year.
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And I'd like to ask your unconscious now to produce more
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of these calming thoughts, immatures and feelings for
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consciously and unconsciously and to more easily and
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effortlessly release oxytocin, serotonin and those feel good
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neurotransmitters over the coming hours and days in such a
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way that you feel much more calm, relaxed and then control.
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You begin to see more new ideas within your mind, new
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possibilities, opportunities as things feel better.
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Nah near the future, and if you wish, over the coming hours and
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days, you can simply stroke your arms, arms and face for a few
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minutes here and there. And every time you stroke your
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arms, arms or face, you feel more calm, relaxed and in
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control. And soon we're going to gently
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emerge from this France like havening as I count from 1:00 to
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5:00. When you hear me say the number
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5, you open your eyes starting at one, you're going to gently
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deeper brush at 2, rising up the tree, getting ready to come ash
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at 4:00 and 5:00 eyelid's opening.
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Maybe you feel like a little stretch or maybe a drink of
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water if you wish. And just know this generally how
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you're feeling in the moments. To this point, then people may
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be feeling similar but also but various different things.
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Generally people may feel a bit more calmer, lighter, relaxed,
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maybe deeply so. Some people feel tired, Spacey
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and some people can even feel energized after doing this.
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Yeah, it's, I mean, I was going along with that experience and I
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found it. I was going along with it, but I
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was also trying to, it's almost kind of like when a magician
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watches another magician, they, they're kind of they're, they're
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watching it, but they're also trying to figure out what's
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happening, if that makes sense. And, and I found it fascinating.
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I'm, I'm guessing the, the nursery rhymes are because most
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people have already kind of memorized the majority of the
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rhythm and the, and the thing. Is there an element of
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regression there as well? Or is it just, you know, purely
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to kind of distract what was going on there with the nursery
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rhymes? Yeah, primarily we use different
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distractions. We use visual distractions, we
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use auditory distractions. So they're auditory nursery
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rhymes. Yeah.
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Once again, it displaces the traumatic or distressing thought
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of your memory and the more distracting the Bello.
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Nursery rhymes can work quite well because, like Twinkle
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Stars, quite calming and relaxing.
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Jingle Bells people generally, you know, it's a kind of a fun,
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upbeat type song as well and people tend to know them and
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they can just, you know, sing along very quickly and easily.
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Sometimes we do distraction inventories with people before
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we work with them, especially if we've done a bit of history and
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taking. Because what sometimes people
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will have a negative association too a song or even a
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visualization. So if something traumatic
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happened, for example maybe around a birthday or Christmas,
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it might not be the best distraction to use.
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Or if maybe the person was seeing you because they had a
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fear of water or drowning walking along the beach.
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For most people it is quite calming and positive, but that
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might not be the best visualization or distraction to
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do with that client in that context.
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So once again, it's very much tailored.
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Obviously, when you're doing a group work like this, we know
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we're keeping it quite general. So those distractions we're
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using there, for most people, they're going to be quite
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neutral if not even positive to some degree.
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Well, I, I for one, found that very, very soothing, very
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relaxing. And yeah, thank, thank you very
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much, Steven. It's been an absolute pleasure
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to have you on the show today. And just a reminder to anyone
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listening that the the links to Stevens website will be in the
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show notes and myself and Steven will be doing separate talks at
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the Irish Hypnotherapy Conference.
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So if you're interested in seeing us, but your tickets nice
41:48
and early and we'll, we'll see you in Dublin.
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Steven, thank you so much for joining me on today's show.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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