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KILLER'S MARRIED GIRLFRIEND HACKS VANESSA GUILLEN DEAD BODY WITH MACHETE, BURNS BODY, WANTS CONFESSION THROWN OUT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does it never end for
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Speaker 1: the family of Vanessa gam This beautiful young rising star
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Speaker 1: in the military found murdered, dismembered, her body partially burned
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Speaker 1: and buried and a shallow grave. I can only imagine
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Speaker 1: the defendants standing over her remains as they burned them.
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Speaker 1: Reports that the leaves above the burned spot in the trees,
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Speaker 1: way up in the trees were singed and burned. It
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Speaker 1: reminds me of the witches around the fire in Shakespeare
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Speaker 1: double double, toil and trouble, just cackling as they destroy
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Speaker 1: the body of this young girl. All she wanted was
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Speaker 1: to devote her life to the military, and who did
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Speaker 1: not protect her? The military Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: in the last hours a major bombshell in the case
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Speaker 1: of Vanessa Gean. Yes, her body ultimately found dismembered, burned, buried.
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Speaker 1: It was found because of the stench of decomposure. But
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Speaker 1: it ain't over yet. It is not over yet. First
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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this. Human remains were
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Speaker 1: sound this morning. This comes after someone was out here
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Speaker 1: working on the fence. They said they they saw the
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Speaker 1: human remains or what they thought were human remains, and
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Speaker 1: they called a Bell County Sheriff's Department who then came
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Speaker 1: out here, contacted the FBI, and contacted Army CID, who
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Speaker 1: later confirmed they were indeed human remains. But here today
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Speaker 1: is Bell County Sheriff's Department, FBI, Army CID, DPS, and
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Speaker 1: Texas Equisearch. Human remains were found right this close to
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Speaker 1: the street and DPS Sergeant Brian Washco spoke earlier about
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Speaker 1: what led investigators back to this location that they searched
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Speaker 1: on June at twenty second. Throughout the investigation. Throughout the
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Speaker 1: course investigation, more information was received which led the Texas
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Speaker 1: Rangers who were assisting the US ARMYCID, back out to
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Speaker 1: this location. I believe the civilian did who was the
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Speaker 1: working in the area. Some ranch work had noticed the
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Speaker 1: foul odor and in contacted the authorities. Tim Miller, a
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Speaker 1: volunteer from Equisearch Texas Equisearch, they're on the scene. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't because of the military, who should have been out
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Speaker 1: searching for one of their own, one of their own
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Speaker 1: that had made complaints of being sex harassed. You were
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Speaker 1: just hearing our friends at kc NTV about the discovery
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Speaker 1: of this young girl's body. But in the last days
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Speaker 1: another bombshell. Take a listen to our friend Steve Campion,
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Speaker 1: ABC thirteen Katie r K Houston. Cecily Aguilar and her
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Speaker 1: public defenders asked a judge to throw out her twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty confession in which she told investigators she helped Aaron
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Speaker 1: Robinson dismember and dispose of Gian's body. In fact, we
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Speaker 1: saw for the first time today video of Aguilar's conversation
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Speaker 1: with investigators. She's seen on camera saying, quote I'm ready
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Speaker 1: to get this expletive over with quote before I'm ready
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Speaker 1: to get this shi over with? Did she actually say
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Speaker 1: that Cecily Aguilar co defendant to kill her? Aaron Robinson
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Speaker 1: actually says, I'm ready to get this shi t over?
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Speaker 1: Really she wants it over? Well, what about Vanessa's mother
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Speaker 1: and her sister and her family. Don't you think they
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Speaker 1: want it over? But it will never have the ending
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Speaker 1: that they want to see Vanessa, to hold her again,
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Speaker 1: to love her, to talk to her, to be with her.
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Speaker 1: There is no happy ending. And this woman, this demon
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Speaker 1: from hell, says she wants this SHI over. Who is
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Speaker 1: Cecily Aguilar? Why do we care about this woman, This
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Speaker 1: married woman dating the killer Aaron Robinson. Well, I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you why. Take a listen to our friends at crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com. In her first interview with police, Aguilar
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Speaker 1: provided an alibi for Robinson for the night Vanessa gein
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Speaker 1: and went missing April twenty second. Aguilar told investigators that
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Speaker 1: she was with Robinson the entire night and that they
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Speaker 1: didn't leave the house. When investigators got phone records, they
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Speaker 1: reinterviewed Aguilar and asked her why there were so many
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Speaker 1: calls between her and Robinson on the night of April
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Speaker 1: twenty second up until three thirty am on the twenty third,
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Speaker 1: if they were together in the house. At first, she
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Speaker 1: claimed she couldn't find her phone and Robinson was calling
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Speaker 1: it to help her find it, but it was the
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Speaker 1: length of the calls that made that impossible to believe,
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Speaker 1: so investigators pressed Aguilar until she changed her story. In
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Speaker 1: a follow up interview with investigators on June nineteenth, Aguilar
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Speaker 1: suddenly remembered that Robinson wanted to take her to a
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Speaker 1: park by the water where they could look at the stars.
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Speaker 1: Checking phone location data, investigators were able to find the
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Speaker 1: exact location where Aguilar and Robinson were on April twenty
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Speaker 1: third and twenty sixth and found a partially burned tough
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Speaker 1: box and other evidence that led to the remains of
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Speaker 1: Vanessa Gein. Cecily Aguilar was arrested at four am on
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Speaker 1: July first, three hours after her boyfriend A Robinson committed suicide.
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Speaker 1: She was charged with conspiracy to tamper with evidence in
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Speaker 1: relation to the disappearance of Vanessa. Again, lies, lies, lies.
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Speaker 1: Every time they catch Cecily Agilore, the married lover, the
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Speaker 1: mistress of the killer, she lies, lies, lies, comes up
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Speaker 1: with another story. This is the woman who dismembered Vanessa's body,
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Speaker 1: who burned it, who buried it? And now she says
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Speaker 1: they were out sitting on a bench looking at the stars.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to introduce to you are All
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Speaker 1: Star panel. But first of all, Robert Crispin, former fed
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Speaker 1: with the d EA cop down in the Fort Lauderdale, Miami,
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Speaker 1: areat That's not easy. You'll get killed over a hit
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Speaker 1: of crack, just like that down there now. Private investigator
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Speaker 1: at Crispin Investigations dot com. Do you ever get sick
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Speaker 1: of liars just in the course of being a cop,
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Speaker 1: being a prosecutor? It just it never ends. It never ends.
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Speaker 1: Every time they open their mouth, it's a lie every time,
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Speaker 1: especially when you're guilty. They lie, they lie, they lie.
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Speaker 1: But the best part about this is electronic evidence. And
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Speaker 1: electronic evidence in today's world proves your line. And that's
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Speaker 1: what happened in this case. I mean, she said, we
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Speaker 1: were just trying to find my phone and you got
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Speaker 1: a phone call for forty five minutes. Really, that took
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Speaker 1: a long time to find the phone. With me an
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Speaker 1: All Star panel, Jasmine Caldwell news anchor and reporter Casey
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Speaker 1: N Channels six all over this story. Doctor Priya Banerjee,
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Speaker 1: Board certified forensic Pathologist. You can find her at anchor
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Speaker 1: Forensic Pathology dot com and assistant medical Examiner Robert Crispin.
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Speaker 1: That you just heard man. He's taught to plenty of
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Speaker 1: liars in his day. Doctor Angela Arnold, Rnown Psychiatrists joining
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Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction and you can find
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Speaker 1: her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Nale Quam a
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Speaker 1: special guest joining us. This is the lawyer that has
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Speaker 1: been to h ebl and back representing Vanessa's family, and
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Speaker 1: you can find her at whistle Blower Law firm, and
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Speaker 1: I want to go right now to who I consider
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Speaker 1: now to be a friend along with Nali Quam, Myra Gian.
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Speaker 1: This is Vanessa's sister, and I truly believe if it
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Speaker 1: had not been for Myra Gin, this case would be
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Speaker 1: unsolved right now and Vanessa's family would have no idea
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Speaker 1: what had become of Vanessa. Myra. When you hear Cecily
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Speaker 1: Aguilar lying through her teeth time after time after time,
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Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? You know that that
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Speaker 1: only brings so much hate and anger that I don't
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Speaker 1: want to have towards any individual. But it's amazing how
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Speaker 1: even after everything that she's done, she's still trying to
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Speaker 1: continue to fight with us. You know what, You're such
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Speaker 1: so much of a better person than me. I've never
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Speaker 1: claimed to be anything but a crime fighter. Myra, you
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Speaker 1: don't want to harbor hate and anger. That's incredible to
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Speaker 1: me after what you and your mother have been through.
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Speaker 1: You driving through the night, Remember you told me you
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Speaker 1: drove through the night, hours and hours I think it
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Speaker 1: was raining to get to Fort Hood. You get there
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Speaker 1: and get to the guard post and they won't even
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Speaker 1: let you in, And there they let me just say,
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Speaker 1: misinformation begins lies it's what I call it about where's Vanessa?
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Speaker 1: What have they done to try to find Vanessa? They
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Speaker 1: would even let you speak to anybody till the next morning,
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Speaker 1: go to some motel, spend the night, and still the
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Speaker 1: lies keep coming about where your sister is. And now
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Speaker 1: you've got Cecily Aguilar lying through her teeth trying to
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Speaker 1: get her confession thrown out of court. Did you guys
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Speaker 1: even tell your mother about that? Definitely? I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's impossible to keep these things from her. It's all
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Speaker 1: over a news outlet, and I feel like a compartent
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Speaker 1: for her to knowing Keith and would have gotten tossed
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Speaker 1: out just for us, you know, beyond the safe car.
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yes, you're so right. Oh My mom is
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Speaker 1: a little bit older than your mom, But sometimes I
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Speaker 1: don't tell her things that I think are going to
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Speaker 1: get her upset. But if you hadn't told her, oh,
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Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven. But I remember myra that she
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Speaker 1: got really really ill around the time Vanessa went missing.
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Speaker 1: It was just too much on her crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we're talking about the codefendant that dismembered, burned, buried,
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Speaker 1: Vanessa Giam now why is her statement so important? And
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Speaker 1: her defense team is trying every trick in the book
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Speaker 1: to try to get this statement thrown out, And now
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Speaker 1: you're going to find out why. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at ABC twenty twenty. After finding human remains
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Speaker 1: by the Leon River, army investigators hauled Cecily Augular, Robinson's
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Speaker 1: girlfriend back in for questioning, and this time they say
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Speaker 1: she's ready to talk, according to court documents, As Aguilar's
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Speaker 1: interview with investigators continues, she allegedly tells them that Aaron
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Speaker 1: Robinson confessed to her that he had bludgeoned a female
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Speaker 1: soldier to death in an armory room on base. Aguilar
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Speaker 1: states that Robinson further told her that he placed Vanessa
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Speaker 1: in a tough box and drove her off the base.
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Speaker 1: Now at the River, authorities, says Cecily Aguilar agrees to
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Speaker 1: help Robinson get rid of the body. They allegedly do
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Speaker 1: something that is out of a horror movie. Cecily tells
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Speaker 1: investigators that Robinson opens up this container and shows Cecily
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Speaker 1: the remains of Vanessa. Okay, we need that statement in evidence.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Jasmine Caldwell, news anchor reporter, casey E
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Speaker 1: in Channel six, Jasmine, what are the claims? Why did
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Speaker 1: Cecily Aguilar's lawyers argue to the judge that her statement
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Speaker 1: should be thrown out? Well, her lawyers argue to the
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Speaker 1: judge that her statement should be thrown out because apparently
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Speaker 1: Aguilar was not advice of her Miranda rights which gave
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Speaker 1: her the right to I mean silent and as for attorney,
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Speaker 1: and they also said that you know, she was not
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Speaker 1: told anything that anything that she said would be used
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Speaker 1: against her in a court of law. Absolutely correct, Jasmine
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Speaker 1: Caldwell joining us from casey N. As a matter of fact.
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Speaker 1: In addition to what Jasmine is telling us, which is accurate,
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Speaker 1: the lawyers claim that Cecily Aguilar was being held by
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Speaker 1: police for three hours before she was finally Miranda's Miranda,
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Speaker 1: as you know, all you legal eagles, is an accurate
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Speaker 1: of sorts. A moniker for a case, better put a
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Speaker 1: moniker for US versus Miranda. Miranda was a person who
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Speaker 1: gave his statement without being advised of his rights, and
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Speaker 1: the case was reversed. That's what that means, mirandas means
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Speaker 1: the ruling by the US Supreme Court in US v.
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Speaker 1: Miranda that's what that's all about. Now the state says, well,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, and wait a minute. You have to
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Speaker 1: be under arrest, you have to be detained before Miranda
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Speaker 1: kicks in Miranda rights. And what happened was that she
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Speaker 1: was speaking voluntarily. That's why she didn't get Miranda. Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: you have taken plenty of confessions in the past, isn't
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Speaker 1: it true? Miranda does not apply unless the target, the person,
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Speaker 1: the witness suddenly becomes under arrest or detained to a
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Speaker 1: point where they cannot leave correctly. So here that is
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Speaker 1: what the state is arguing back. You just have to
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Speaker 1: cut all that where I tried to go to an alleguam.
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Speaker 1: Well there's more. There's more as to why we need
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Speaker 1: this confession in evidence. Take a listen to John Kimonas twenty.
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Speaker 1: They allegedly decide to use some type of tool, reportedly
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Speaker 1: a machette of swords to then dismember the body. Then
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Speaker 1: investigators say that Aguilar told them they attempted to burn
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Speaker 1: the body but that didn't work. Then they allegedly dig
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Speaker 1: three separate holes to bury her remains. According to investigators,
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Speaker 1: After covering up the remains, Robinson an Augular leave, but
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Speaker 1: then three days later, on April twenty six, they allegedly
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Speaker 1: come back again, bringing hairnets, gloves, and concrete that investigators
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Speaker 1: say Seis Lee Augular got from someone on Facebook Messenger.
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Speaker 1: The alleged go to the remains, attempts to further break
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Speaker 1: up the body, burn it again, and then decide to
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Speaker 1: cover up the body with concrete. They clearly come back,
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Speaker 1: according to this criminal complaint, with a plan on how
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Speaker 1: they are going to conceal this body as best as
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Speaker 1: they can do. You, doctor Angela Arnold's psychiatrists joining us
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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie, the reality is,
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Speaker 1: look at all the time she had to stop this.
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Speaker 1: They actually go back days later, having planned it with hairnets, gloves,
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Speaker 1: all sorts of supplies to further hide Vanessa's dead body. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't speak very well for her defense. If she
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Speaker 1: can plan that much and for that long, she's certainly
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Speaker 1: not going to be able to use any kind of
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Speaker 1: insanity defense. There's too much planning going on. And she
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Speaker 1: also now, like Kawam veteran trial lawyer who is representing
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Speaker 1: and has been representing the Game family, she also cannot
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Speaker 1: blame it all on Aaron Robinson, her lover, because she's
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Speaker 1: in it just as deeply as he is. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: have to go back over there. I mean, Natalie, think
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Speaker 1: about it. What if someone said, hey, Natalie, can you
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Speaker 1: help me dismember a body and burn it and bury
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Speaker 1: it and put somement on top of it tonight. She
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Speaker 1: didn't have to do that, but she did. That's correct,
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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy. When she gave that statement and she
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Speaker 1: told them that she knew that she was there voluntarily,
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Speaker 1: she even offered to take them to the site. And
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Speaker 1: afterwards she even admitted that she was not held against
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Speaker 1: her her against her own permission. She said that she
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Speaker 1: knew she was free to go. She said the only
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Speaker 1: time she was ever stuff or attained was when she
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Speaker 1: did that to Vanessa's body that evening, alleging that which
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Speaker 1: was a shocker, alleging that Aaron Robinson had put the
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Speaker 1: gun to her head and made her do it. But
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Speaker 1: that's another that's for another minute. That's total bs. Hey, Natalie,
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Speaker 1: what do we know about this woman Cecily Aguilar. Well,
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Speaker 1: we know that she has been having an affair on
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Speaker 1: her husband with this guy, Aaron Robinson. We know that
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Speaker 1: she's a criminal history in Michigan, So she knew the system.
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Speaker 1: You know how they say criminals know the system better
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Speaker 1: than lawyers. She knew the system. She knew her Miranda Race,
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Speaker 1: she knew all this stuff, and so she's a veteran
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Speaker 1: in the criminal system. So to act like she's dumb,
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Speaker 1: you know the thing, you got to be smart to
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Speaker 1: play dumb. That's been her deem this whole entire time.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's just amazing to me. If the public
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Speaker 1: only knew guys, especially those of you who are in
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Speaker 1: the system, like Robert Crispin, Nali Quam, if the public
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Speaker 1: only knew all the secret ways lawyers have not all
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Speaker 1: of them so secret to get their clients off the
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Speaker 1: hook when they aren't so guilty of heinous crimes. Crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace god Rachel Arnold, I very rarely,
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Speaker 1: I mean very rarely think back on the murder of
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Speaker 1: my fiance because I don't want to relive him taking
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Speaker 1: all those bullets to his head and his face, his
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Speaker 1: neck and his back. Was he awake, was he conscious?
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Speaker 1: What were his last thoughts? Was he in pain? All
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Speaker 1: of that? I don't want to think about it because
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Speaker 1: It's just it's so horrible and to think this family
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Speaker 1: has to think not only about Vanessa's murder, but then
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Speaker 1: dismembering her body trying to burn it. No remorse on
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Speaker 1: the part of Robinson and Aguilar. They go back in
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Speaker 1: fact to try to cover up and wearing a hairnets
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Speaker 1: and gloves so they don't get caught. They didn't care
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Speaker 1: at all about what they were doing to Vanessa. Well,
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Speaker 1: and also, Nancy, to me, the horrible sadness of this
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Speaker 1: that the family has to deal with also is that
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Speaker 1: this girl had been targeted prior to the with the
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Speaker 1: sex harassment. Yes, and she was being sexually harassed. Beautiful
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Speaker 1: young twenty year old girl wants to give her life
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Speaker 1: to the military, what an honorable thing to do. And
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Speaker 1: she is in the military being sexually harassed. And then
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Speaker 1: that is and afraid to say anything about it. Doctor Angie,
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Speaker 1: you're afraid to get blackball, couldn't rise in the right.
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Speaker 1: So she just because when you're twenty years old, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you really can't say anything about it. There are too
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Speaker 1: many people that are in position of power over you.
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Speaker 1: And so instead of her being able to unfortunately go
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Speaker 1: through go through this, she gets killed and dismembered guys.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to doctor Prea Banerjee joining us
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Speaker 1: a forensic pathologist assistant medical examiner at anchor Forensic Pathology
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Prea, these two not only dismembered the body,
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Speaker 1: which is a very onerous task hard to do, but
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Speaker 1: then try to burn the body. How difficult is it
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Speaker 1: to burn a human body? Incredibly? I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: out in an uncontrolled environment. This isn't a crematory, This
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Speaker 1: is not even a fireplace, right, this is out in
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Speaker 1: the open. They're so evil, That's what comes to my mind.
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Speaker 1: I've dealt with dismembered cases, I've dealt with burned cases,
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Speaker 1: and it's just horrible. And the irony is, even when
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Speaker 1: you burn a body, it's because it's not like a creamatory,
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Speaker 1: there's still so much evidence that remains, you know, doctor Priabannergy.
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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of arson cases where people were
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Speaker 1: inside the structure when the arson occurred or inside the car.
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Speaker 1: I have never and all the arson cases I value investigated,
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Speaker 1: tried myself to a jury or worked on covered I've
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Speaker 1: never seen a body totally destroyed except once, and that
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Speaker 1: was the case of Teresa Halbach. Photographer who was murdered
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Speaker 1: by Stephen Avery with his nephew Brendan Dacy along for
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Speaker 1: the ride. And he Stephen Avery, stood over a fire
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Speaker 1: pit for hours and hours, way into the early morning hours.
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Speaker 1: Bring the remains and and there was the photographer Touisa hallback.
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Speaker 1: All they found of her or some teeth and the
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Speaker 1: studs offer a daisy Philinus. Yeah, Bullie James left. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you really need to work at it, Tom, really, you know,
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Speaker 1: burn away a body. It's not as easy as you know.
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Speaker 1: People thinking obviously here there are still plenty of evidence left,
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Speaker 1: you know, to go forward. Thank god, you know, to
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Speaker 1: you Myra again. On one hand, I feel sad that
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Speaker 1: you're hearing these facts, and I know you've heard them before,
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Speaker 1: you've lived through them, but can you remember. On the
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Speaker 1: other hand, I want the listeners to know what victims'
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Speaker 1: families go through, because it's easy to just not think
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Speaker 1: about it. When you learned your sister had been dismembered
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Speaker 1: and her body, her beautiful body, her beautiful face and
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Speaker 1: hair burned by these two demons, that they're demons straight
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Speaker 1: from hell. Do you remember the first time you learned
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Speaker 1: what had been done to Vanessa? Yes, It was actually
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Speaker 1: a phone call I had with Tim Mitler from Equa Search,
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Speaker 1: and he got to describe to me the scenario and
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Speaker 1: what exactly was found. And I feel like those are
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Speaker 1: words that I'll never be able to say on my
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Speaker 1: own will, because it's so hard to believe that people
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Speaker 1: are people will such thing. Tim, who is a crime
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Speaker 1: vict himself, his daughter was murdered and he has fought
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Speaker 1: a lot of personal demons and his quest for justice
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Speaker 1: to help other people find their missing. But I remember
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Speaker 1: also Myra when he called me. He was on the
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Speaker 1: scene and called me and he was crying about the
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Speaker 1: discovery of Vanessa. Let me put all that aside for
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Speaker 1: one moment and get back in the middle of the road.
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Speaker 1: Here about Cecily Aguilar trying to get her confession thrown
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Speaker 1: out of evidence. Why is she so desperate to have
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Speaker 1: it thrown out. Not only does she describe what she
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Speaker 1: and her lover did to Vanessa, but she even talks
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Speaker 1: about a motive. Take a listen now to our friends
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Speaker 1: at Khou eleven our cut seven. What was the motive?
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Speaker 1: Why do you believe Vanessa was killed? He told his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend that she was going to report him for having
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Speaker 1: an affair with the married person. He is army specialist
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Speaker 1: Aaron Robinson, who was dating a former soldier's wife. Her
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Speaker 1: name is Cecily Aguilar and she's now in custody. In
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Speaker 1: a five page alf of David, Aguilar confesses to helping
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Speaker 1: him get rid of Gian's body, telling investigators Gyan never
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Speaker 1: made it off the army base alive. You can't tell
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Speaker 1: me that someone's bluding to death in the armory room.
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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, nobody heard her screaming.
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Speaker 1: Nobody saw the blood all over the room. According to
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Speaker 1: the alpha, David Robinson beat Gean to death with a hammer,
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Speaker 1: put her in a storage case, went home, and came
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Speaker 1: back to base that night to move the body. The
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Speaker 1: girlfriend says he took her out to a bridge near
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Speaker 1: the Leon River, where the couple cut her up, set
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Speaker 1: her on fire, and buried her in three separate places.
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Speaker 1: That's why she doesn't want this confession in because she
26:37
Speaker 1: is doomed. She will go to jail for a very
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Speaker 1: long time if a jury convicts her, God willing, they will.
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Speaker 1: But think about just let yourself think about what this
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Speaker 1: confession means. Let's make it real. Take a listen to
26:56
Speaker 1: our friend from Texas equa search. Listen to what Ten
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Speaker 1: tells me, Nancy. I normally don't put out information that
27:06
Speaker 1: I know on an investigation like this, but I felt
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Speaker 1: thought there was a cover up. I know, I'm the
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Speaker 1: most hated person in what the military right now because
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Speaker 1: I said all this stuff. But the reason I said
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Speaker 1: all this stuff was hopefully somebody would start talking and
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Speaker 1: get out there. And I knew, Nancy, they minute that
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Speaker 1: we found that burn pile and that Pelican case, that
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Speaker 1: it had something to do with it. And I can
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Speaker 1: tell you this or effect. This CID investigator that was
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Speaker 1: out there with us when we found that didn't think
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Speaker 1: it had any revalence to the case. We had to
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Speaker 1: push and push and push him, and he said, well,
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Speaker 1: the case and looked like that. And one of our
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Speaker 1: people actually googled the Pelican case and showed him the
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Speaker 1: picture before he was willing to even go to the
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Speaker 1: site to look at time stories with Nancy. Grace Jasmine called, well,
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Speaker 1: what is c i D. N I D is the
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Speaker 1: Army Criminal Investigation Division. It's kind of like the Army's
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Speaker 1: police department, and they only come in and investigate serious cases,
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Speaker 1: crimes murders that happened um on the base or to
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Speaker 1: their individual soldiers. Jasmine callwell, just on a side, are
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Speaker 1: you concerned at all about how this reporting on this
28:45
Speaker 1: basically against the military is going to affect you? You
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Speaker 1: know what? Um, sometimes I do and sometimes sometimes I don't,
28:56
Speaker 1: because um, you know, this was such a big case,
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Speaker 1: and if I have to report the truth, you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't care. You know who's upset with me or
29:06
Speaker 1: who's met But I mean, this was just one of
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Speaker 1: those cases where you know, the army really messed up,
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Speaker 1: and you know that's nobody's fault, but there and did
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Speaker 1: you hear this? I mean, not looking for her, lying
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Speaker 1: to her family about it, claiming there's no evidence in
29:22
Speaker 1: the army where she was bludging dead with a hammer.
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Speaker 1: You want to tell me there's not blood everywhere? Just
29:28
Speaker 1: completely lying about everything. Where was Vanessa that day? Why
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Speaker 1: was she called in on her day off, How did
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Speaker 1: this happen? What happened to the claims of sex harassment.
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Speaker 1: There's so many questions that they just apparently aren't hearing
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Speaker 1: to this day. And now we hear Tim Miller say
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Speaker 1: that they try to ignore that Pelican case and what
29:47
Speaker 1: he's talking about it's a big isn't it a big plastic?
29:51
Speaker 1: Can look on Google like he just said, and see
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Speaker 1: it that we got one for the twins to take
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Speaker 1: the scout camp. It's a big, sturdy case made a
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Speaker 1: thick plastic that looks like it would hold a dead body.
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Speaker 1: And they didn't even want to come look at it.
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Speaker 1: Miller had to make them come. And that's not all.
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Speaker 1: Listen to more of our friend Tim Miller, And a
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Speaker 1: lot of times I got a lot of things that
30:14
Speaker 1: talked about it, and this time I don't. It's still
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Speaker 1: trying to digest that scene and what happened and that
30:22
Speaker 1: fire and that fire was so high, Nancy, it was
30:25
Speaker 1: burning tree limbs fifteen feet above the damn fire. They
30:30
Speaker 1: made that fire hot. There was a tire at that
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Speaker 1: fire too, and we know when you put a tire
30:35
Speaker 1: and a fire burns even hotter. And you know what, Nancy,
30:39
Speaker 1: there is still plastic out there that they did not
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Speaker 1: take in for evidence. And I'm not saying a little
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Speaker 1: bit of plastic. And it was trying to figure out
30:48
Speaker 1: why in the hell didn't they take everything that was here.
30:53
Speaker 1: All they took was that part of that lid there
30:56
Speaker 1: was still stuff out there. Yeah, this investigation was botched terribly, terribly.
31:02
Speaker 1: You know, Robert Crispin, former fed with a dam agent
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Speaker 1: down the Miami Fort Lauderdale area, now private investigator with
31:11
Speaker 1: Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert, do you know how much
31:16
Speaker 1: people lose faith, for instance, in the military in this case,
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Speaker 1: or police when they believe the authorities don't care or
31:25
Speaker 1: do a bad job like leaving behind evidence. You had
31:28
Speaker 1: to drag them out there by their toenails to come
31:31
Speaker 1: look at what ultimately we learn hide Vanessa's dead body
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Speaker 1: in it. I mean, you just lose faith, especially in
31:39
Speaker 1: today's world with law enforcement being such the black eye
31:42
Speaker 1: of all the citizens out there trying to do their
31:44
Speaker 1: job and just the public not supporting them. But the
31:47
Speaker 1: problem is, and I don't know the experience of the investigators,
31:52
Speaker 1: but I will tell you from being on just hundreds
31:55
Speaker 1: of scenes in my time, the experience of the investigator
31:59
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with that case. Just because
32:01
Speaker 1: you got a detective bad doesn't mean you can be
32:03
Speaker 1: a detective and not working these particular crimes or a
32:07
Speaker 1: numerous commicides or numerous types of crimes where you have
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Speaker 1: experience and you do the little things like take all
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Speaker 1: the evidence, speak to all the witnesses, have an open
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Speaker 1: an open mind as to how this happened. You know
32:23
Speaker 1: who your suspects are. And if you leave behind evidence,
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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, that makes this confession that much more important
32:32
Speaker 1: than it be kept in evidence. To doctor Prea Banerjee,
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Speaker 1: Assistant medical examiner, pathologist at anchor Forensic Pathology dot com,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Priya, her body was dismembered. We need that confession.
32:50
Speaker 1: We got to have that confession evidence because with a
32:53
Speaker 1: dismembered body, it may be more difficult to determine cod
32:58
Speaker 1: cause of death. Why yeah, I mean anytime you bring
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Speaker 1: in more mutilation to the body, and I call it
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Speaker 1: mutilation even though it's post mortem. I mean it's horrible, right,
33:11
Speaker 1: you're piecemealing the body. You don't know, like if injuries
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Speaker 1: are destroyed in that process. You know, being hit in
33:20
Speaker 1: the head with the hammer, that does give you very
33:23
Speaker 1: key injury, so that should be able to be identified.
33:27
Speaker 1: But really it's it's a much more complicated puzzle that
33:30
Speaker 1: you have to piece together. And I just wanted to
33:33
Speaker 1: talk about a separate issue, which is about the crime scene.
33:36
Speaker 1: I respond to a lot of crime scenes to guide
33:40
Speaker 1: the police and the investigators about what's abnormal. And I
33:46
Speaker 1: completely agree with mister Kristen that it's you don't you know,
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Speaker 1: overlook little things, you know, the plastic. My heart actually
33:57
Speaker 1: breaks for mister Miller too, because they're an a major
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Speaker 1: is an agency, and for them to point out to
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Speaker 1: the police that this is important really goes to show
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Speaker 1: like you need experienced eyes to really tell you, you know,
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Speaker 1: see what the abnormalities are. And remember the bodies first
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Speaker 1: spread out in the field and then coming to the morgue.
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Speaker 1: So really it's so hard in the field to recognize
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Speaker 1: these things. And that's another reason we need this woman,
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Speaker 1: this married mistress of the murderer in evidence. We cannot
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Speaker 1: afford to lose this statement. As a matter of fact,
34:38
Speaker 1: take a listen to Grace White. Khou eleven search teams
34:43
Speaker 1: were back in the spot where they found human remains
34:46
Speaker 1: in a shallow grave, roughly thirty miles from ford Hood. Today,
34:50
Speaker 1: crews discovered more remains and this is where investigators found
34:54
Speaker 1: the first piece of evidence that led them to believe
34:57
Speaker 1: the search for Vanessa Gean was close to over. Immediately
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Speaker 1: that point in the right spot Texas equasearches. Tim Miller
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Speaker 1: says the evidence they found was the lid to a
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Speaker 1: Pelican storage case, a case a witness says they saw
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Speaker 1: being loaded into a car around eight thirty at night,
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Speaker 1: around the time Vanessa disappeared. Miller says the spot where
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Speaker 1: they found remains was well concealed honor concrete put over
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Speaker 1: at b overnight. Video shows the scene where Kaleen police
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Speaker 1: confronted the suspect. They say he ultimately took his own life,
35:33
Speaker 1: but the army says there's another suspect in custody, a civilian,
35:38
Speaker 1: the estranged wife of a different man, who they say
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Speaker 1: is a former Fordhood soldier. You know, I firmly believe
35:45
Speaker 1: it had not been If it had not been from
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Speaker 1: Myra Gay and Vanessa's sister, Vanessa would never have been found.
35:54
Speaker 1: We would still be wondering where is Vanessa. And now
35:58
Speaker 1: this woman, Cecily Aguilar sits in a cell demanding this
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Speaker 1: quote shi t be over with man. She's got a nerve. Uh.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours we learn that as of right now,
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Speaker 1: that statement will be kept in evidence. A federal judge
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Speaker 1: has refused to bend to cave in to defense demands
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Speaker 1: the statement be thrown out, Jasmine Calwell joining us ksee
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Speaker 1: in what happens. Yeah, So basically, um, the most felt
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Speaker 1: that Cecily Aguilar knew that she well the judge felt
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Speaker 1: that she wasn't being held against her will. Um. Cecily
36:47
Speaker 1: Aguilar had even made a statement that, um, you know,
36:51
Speaker 1: I thought that, you know, if I will help you guys,
36:53
Speaker 1: I would be able to go home. So because she
36:56
Speaker 1: said that on camera, which is the first time we
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Speaker 1: saw her tape confession, the judge said, well, you know
37:03
Speaker 1: she knew that, you know, she was she wasn't being arrested,
37:07
Speaker 1: so she that confession was volunteer voluntarily. So to the
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Speaker 1: sister of Anesage and Myra Ghee and with us right now, Myra,
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Speaker 1: what is your response your reaction to the judge's ruling? Um, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad that the judge took the correct decision.
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Speaker 1: And to um, you know, not even thinking about I mean,
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Speaker 1: the whole time I was there on the court, I
37:32
Speaker 1: would see his reaction towards the defense, and let me
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Speaker 1: tell you, I'm glad that he has you know, like
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Speaker 1: it was just like why even file this, Like what
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Speaker 1: the motive of this? And I'm just glad that that
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Speaker 1: motion is stilling evidence because it plays such a big part,
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Speaker 1: such a huge part, now like why I'm with us,
37:54
Speaker 1: thinky and family lawyer Myra Ghee and her sister Mayra
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Speaker 1: plays now that you stay in all of our thoughts
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Speaker 1: and prayers, and we are seeing this through till the
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Speaker 1: end of Cicily Aguilar's trial. We wait as justice unfals.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grays Crime story, signing off goodbye friend,