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2025 Week 12 Recap: No One Takes the Points · NFL explained.

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love a little free football.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Westling podcast studio,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm with Patrick Claybon with all the claymates listening,
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  Speaker 1: both of you. I'm with Nick Shook with all the
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  Speaker 1: shook ones out there. And yes, this week twelve recap
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  Speaker 1: is for all the NFL dailiens in our universe. What
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  Speaker 1: a Sunday, an important Sunday where we finally lost Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Claybon as a member of Team Analytics.
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  Speaker 2: He's done with it. No, no, no over. I just
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  Speaker 2: I needed a place to go. I went there briefly. No,
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  Speaker 2: we're bat, Greg, stay there.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen Patrick as mata anything as he has
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  Speaker 1: been about the fourth down decisions on this Sunday, especially
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  Speaker 1: from Liam Cohen and Brian Shottenheiman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there were some ones that got a little bit
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  Speaker 2: wiggily there. I went to a dark place, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: back now. I did some research. Yes, I will get
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  Speaker 2: you know again. I have hit my yelling quota now
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, not be yelling anymore. And we we
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  Speaker 2: were gonna I have a take I'm working on when
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  Speaker 2: we get.
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  Speaker 3: There, okay, and we'll give it to the people.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get there. Then let's talk about one of those games.
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  Speaker 1: Let's lead off with Cowboys Eagles to Jerry World forty two.
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  Speaker 4: Yards on the left hash to win the game, snapping
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  Speaker 4: home forty two yard kick from Aubrey. The Cowboys have
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  Speaker 4: won this football game. Butter Bubber, Butter, Butter Butters.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know when they won one.
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  Speaker 5: It's not like this.
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  Speaker 4: Forty two for Aubrey and the Cowboys win twenty four.
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  Speaker 6: To twenty one.
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  Speaker 7: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: The voice of the Dallas Cowboys, Brad Sham, I'm k
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  Speaker 1: r l D. He can't remember a game where they
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  Speaker 1: came back from twenty one nothing twenty one seven at halftime.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, holding the Eagles scoreless in.
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  Speaker 1: The second half, and perhaps overcoming a decision that made
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  Speaker 1: Patrick a little bit crazy. Brandon Aubrey with the walk off.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with Shookie here. When the Eagles are dominating
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  Speaker 1: this game in the first half, I just could not
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  Speaker 1: imagine a scenario where the Cowboys came back and won it.
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  Speaker 5: And they are now five to five and one.
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  Speaker 1: And the theme early in this show is the Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 1: games getting a little more interesting and the Cowboys getting
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  Speaker 1: to five hundred what do you think was the most
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  Speaker 1: important thing that turned this game around?
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  Speaker 6: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: I mean this could spider web in a number of
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  Speaker 8: different directions, just based on the fact that it's not
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  Speaker 8: going to be a normal Monday morning in Philadelphia after this.
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  Speaker 9: But yeah, what was the most important thing?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I agree with you that when they were up
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  Speaker 8: twenty one to nothing, I thought there's no way they're rolling.
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  Speaker 8: They even checked off the most important box, which is
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  Speaker 8: get aj Brown involved and throw them a touchdown pass.
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  Speaker 8: Their social media teams having a field day with it.
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  Speaker 8: They posted a little video of Jalen Hurts sitting down saying,
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  Speaker 8: so that's what y'all wanted, huh, Except this is not
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  Speaker 8: what they wanted. They didn't want you to collapse in
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  Speaker 8: the second half and give away possession by fumbling a
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  Speaker 8: part return, by giving the Cowboys a chance that they
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  Speaker 8: didn't cash in, by failing to get within field goal range,
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  Speaker 8: and then giving up a field goal against your hated rival.
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  Speaker 8: This is a game you should have pulled away, and
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  Speaker 8: instead you crumbled. And that's why it's not going to
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  Speaker 8: be a normal Monday in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: And I do want to get to the downside of
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles at some point here, But this was an
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  Speaker 1: awesome performance by a Cowboys offense who puts up four
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  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three yards twenty five first downs, and
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  Speaker 1: George Pickens helps to take over in the second half,
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  Speaker 1: finishing with one hundred and forty six yards and nine
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  Speaker 1: catches on nine target on nine targets.
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  Speaker 2: Every single time the ball went in George Pickens' direction,
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  Speaker 2: he was making a play against a secondary where there's
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  Speaker 2: always an overmatch in the favor of the Philadelphia Eagles
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  Speaker 2: until they come into this situation where it's Ceedee Lamb
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  Speaker 2: and George Pickens and you're able to get a player
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  Speaker 2: who the folks watching that game, watching previous Cowboys games,
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  Speaker 2: it's tough to watch and say that George Pickens isn't
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  Speaker 2: the best player on the field, and you get him
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  Speaker 2: for a third round pick, And thanks to the nature
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  Speaker 2: of the franchise tag and all that, we may never
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  Speaker 2: get to see what George Pickens might actually be worth
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  Speaker 2: in an open market in this situation. But it's tough
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  Speaker 2: not to say the top five in.
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  Speaker 5: The league looking at you were saying he was the
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  Speaker 5: best receiver.
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  Speaker 2: In the league a little earlier in terms of like
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  Speaker 2: who's executing, who's making the plays that are available to
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  Speaker 2: them on the field, who's finishing plays Where you see
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  Speaker 2: George Pickens get loose, he steps out of a tackle,
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  Speaker 2: a legitimate threat to score every single time he catches
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  Speaker 2: the ball. I understand there were some wiggly moments he did,
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  Speaker 2: weird things that we had fun in talking about them
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  Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. But the results speak for themselves. Greg He's
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  Speaker 2: a spectacular football player playing some of the best football
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  Speaker 2: of his career right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, and he did it on a day where his
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  Speaker 1: running partner Cede Lamb let the team down ultimately thre Redrops.
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  Speaker 1: I believe in this game a couple of real groaners
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  Speaker 1: where he's just like knocking it down like a volleyball,
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  Speaker 1: and then he didn't make a catch that preceded the
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  Speaker 1: brot Brian Schottenheimer decision on fourth down that you know,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, Ceedee Lamb should catch that ball. It's
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  Speaker 1: a really difficult throw by Dak Prescott into a tight window,
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  Speaker 1: but it goes through Ceedee Lamb's bread basket. It's tied
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  Speaker 1: twenty one. All this is late in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 1: We've got about three forty five to go and instead
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  Speaker 1: of taking a chip shot Brandon Aubrey field goal, they
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  Speaker 1: go for fourth end goal I believe from the Philadelphia
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  Speaker 1: one yard line. But they throw the ball and that
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  Speaker 1: was the point where you lost your mind, and I
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  Speaker 1: think analytics lost you forever.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not that analytics lost me forever.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Dallas Cowboys called all the way back
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  Speaker 2: from down twenty one to nothing.
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  Speaker 3: They had a chance to take the lead, yes, in
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  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 2: And I understand the model and the folks that Next
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  Speaker 2: Gen Stats put a lot of effort into the model,
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  Speaker 2: but there's some limitations there and determining what the decision
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  Speaker 2: should be in a football game that is actively happening
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  Speaker 2: in the moment, so the model has to make a
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  Speaker 2: few assumptions. And so you go in to the Next
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  Speaker 2: Gen Stats page and they're very forthcoming, very open with
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  Speaker 2: regards to how things are constructed. And so I'll read
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  Speaker 2: you guys a quote. The actual yards to go is
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  Speaker 2: a clear metric to provide to the model, because you
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  Speaker 2: want to know the down and distance and how that
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  Speaker 2: plays into your decisions. But there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 2: information that's available to the model in that moment. So
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  Speaker 2: the Vegas lines are used condense vast amounts of situational
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  Speaker 2: historical knowledge about the teams into a small set of
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  Speaker 2: numbers to involve that decision, specifically the point spread. And
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  Speaker 2: you know my opinion on what the goal of the
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  Speaker 2: point spread.
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  Speaker 5: Is to make people gamble more, to provide.
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  Speaker 3: An opportunity for people to make a decision to gamble.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's only that small part of the NGS.
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  Speaker 3: It's a small part.
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  Speaker 2: But when we're talking about decisions that are point zero
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  Speaker 2: zero nine in point zero zero four, I think in
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  Speaker 2: terms of evaluating the decision, I would like a model
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  Speaker 2: not to include Vegas is desired to make money on
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  Speaker 2: the football game, because I know people think Vegas is
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  Speaker 2: so smart and they know everything about football. They are
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  Speaker 2: not making decisions to be right about the game. They
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  Speaker 2: are making decisions to make money.
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  Speaker 3: They want. The lines are there to encourage action.
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  Speaker 2: So eventually you get to a point where you get
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  Speaker 2: a line, and that's because the line is changing over
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  Speaker 2: the course of the entire week because they would like
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  Speaker 2: the money. The money is the priority there.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So I don't know how much it goes into it.
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  Speaker 1: I think you have to trust what you see and
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  Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer has said like he hears his dad's voice
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  Speaker 1: in his head and that he wants to be more
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  Speaker 1: conservative with these ideas. And I think he's thinking field
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  Speaker 1: position is part of it, because what happened to the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles offense is part of that decision. And what happened
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  Speaker 1: to them is they got a couple first downs, but
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  Speaker 1: they end up punting from their own nineteen yard line,
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  Speaker 1: setting up the Cowboys to end up going on that
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  Speaker 1: game winning goal drive. I was surprised because took the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles defense is that is the great unit in this game.
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  Speaker 1: A the Eagles offense is struggling, so if you put
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  Speaker 1: three points on the board here, actually I'd have a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of faith that the Cowboys can stop them.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't mind the call too much to go
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  Speaker 1: for it there. I'm just more kind of amazed that
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  Speaker 1: everything happened down the stretch of this game on both
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  Speaker 1: sides of the ball. What disappointed you the most took
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  Speaker 1: like of how the Eagles finished this game out.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I felt like Patrick was heading toward making a
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  Speaker 8: case for momentum for a second with like you know,
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  Speaker 8: needing the context of the game to you know, kind
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  Speaker 8: of make a better decision, which I was about to
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  Speaker 8: be blown away by that, So thank you for steering
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  Speaker 8: away from that.
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  Speaker 9: That would have just made me useless for the rest
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  Speaker 9: of the show.
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  Speaker 8: I think it's just the second half lack of production,
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  Speaker 8: not that it's a surprise from the Eagles offense that
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  Speaker 8: has struggled mightily, and in fact, scoring twenty one points
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  Speaker 8: against anybody is an achievement for them, at least as
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  Speaker 8: of late. It's the fact that their defense given the
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  Speaker 8: opportunity to get some stops, which they did get stops.
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  Speaker 9: There was a lot of There was a sequence there where.
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  Speaker 8: Cavante Turpin fumbles the ball in the backfield, Zach Bond recovers.
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  Speaker 8: Like they made their plays defensively, but ultimately they were
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  Speaker 8: not able to withstand the onslaught the offensive onslought of
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  Speaker 8: nearly five hundred total yards from the Cowboys offense. That
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  Speaker 8: is their only method to success is by throwing the
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  Speaker 8: ball and trying to just move it through the air
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  Speaker 8: as much as possible.
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  Speaker 9: That's what disappoints me. Now, they did lose some.
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  Speaker 8: Guys in this game, and then Andrew mccooba goes down
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  Speaker 8: that that last drive as well and that's kind of
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  Speaker 8: a bummer and explains a little bit of it. But ultimately,
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  Speaker 8: if this defense is as good as we thought it
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  Speaker 8: was for the last couple of weeks, they make at
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  Speaker 8: least one stand in a key spot, and at minimum
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  Speaker 8: this game goes to overtime, which is not what happened
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  Speaker 8: to me.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's so much more on the offense and the
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  Speaker 1: game changed. We didn't know it at the time certainly,
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  Speaker 1: but it's late second quarter. They had like a third
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  Speaker 1: and two before halftime, and then they get a false
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  Speaker 1: start penalty I think on Cam Jurgens.
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  Speaker 5: It backs him up.
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  Speaker 1: They don't get the first down, and then Dak goes
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  Speaker 1: on a nice drive before halftime to at least cut
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  Speaker 1: the deficit. And then after that, you know, the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: offense goes three and out, one first down and then
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  Speaker 1: upon another three and out. Jakb Elliott misses a long
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  Speaker 1: field goal. At one point, you have the fumble. It's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of everything, but ultimately, like against this
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  Speaker 1: Cowboys defense, which does look better, you know, you got
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  Speaker 1: to be able to sustain drives a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: because you can't expect their defense to hold up the
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  Speaker 1: whole time. It was a really magical I think Dave
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  Speaker 1: for the Cowboys and for Dak Prescott. Let's listen to
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  Speaker 1: his rushing touchdown which tied the score early in the
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 4: Prescott on second down back and runs up out of
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  Speaker 4: the pocket, runs to his left to the.
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  Speaker 5: Town to the five, touch.
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  Speaker 10: To his left, Summer Tift touch down, touchdown. Fuck have
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  Speaker 10: them touchdown? Press Scott, you're too old to shummer fault
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  Speaker 10: an extra point away from Tunning all the way back.
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  Speaker 1: That that is awesome, and it's it's a reminder. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: one team was able to run the ball well today
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  Speaker 1: and that team was the Dallas Cowboys. Not that it
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  Speaker 1: was like incredible. Javonte goes eighty seven yards and Malik
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  Speaker 1: Davis actually had a couple of nice carries off the
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  Speaker 1: bench too, but Saquon Barkley ten for twenty two and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: on a day where Davante Smith goes deep and ag
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  Speaker 1: Brown goes over one hundred yards, like we said, they
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  Speaker 1: have had no running game and they fall to eight
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  Speaker 1: and three and give the Rams, who will be hearing
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  Speaker 1: from later in the show, a chance to take the
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  Speaker 1: one seed in the NFC.
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  Speaker 2: And a credit to consummate Baald Knower Jerry Jones, as
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  Speaker 2: the Wilson trade as well as the Williams trade seem
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  Speaker 2: to this Dallas Cowboys defense. You go back to the
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  Speaker 2: start of the season, they're inconsistency and just you know,
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  Speaker 2: they get the Marvin Overshawn back, which also helps there.
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  Speaker 2: But the run defense better, defense better overall, even though
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  Speaker 2: they did get Torch deep a couple of times and
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  Speaker 2: the pressure kept Jalen Hurts from stepping into throws. But
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts far and away the leading rusher. He had
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  Speaker 2: ten more yards than Saquon and he averaged four yards
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  Speaker 2: of carry. He had the most explosive run of the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles offense on the day. And you know, Lane Johnson
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  Speaker 2: being out, it didn't get it definitely wasn't going to
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  Speaker 2: get better. But we saw how much worse it was
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  Speaker 2: going to be against this Ebra Flu's defense. And it's
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  Speaker 2: you know, over on the defensive side. You know Mkooba
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  Speaker 2: gets hurt, but not just that, because he's on Turpin
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  Speaker 2: coming out of the backfield on the Pickens play that
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  Speaker 2: got them in field goal range on that last drive,
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  Speaker 2: and he's running to get Turpin runs into Quinyon Mitchell,
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  Speaker 2: which is how George Pickens got that open in the
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  Speaker 2: first place. Just a rough situation in spots for the
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  Speaker 2: defense and then for the offense. Is the entire second
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  Speaker 2: half things went south?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of amazing where I know Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 1: can't hold the ball, but Dak and Jalen Hurts held
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  Speaker 1: the ball the same amount of time tonight. And you
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  Speaker 1: know which team had a higher pressure rate, Dallas Cowboys.
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  Speaker 1: The Doomsday defense is back. They're in the mix at
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  Speaker 1: five and one, five five and one.
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  Speaker 3: Sheok violently shaking his head at Doomsday defense.
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  Speaker 9: Not a fan, No, it'd be my Doomsday.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still you know, I'm still not forgiving Darry for
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  Speaker 1: the Michael Parsons trade. But damn it, if they don't
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  Speaker 1: put on a good show, would they be facing a
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  Speaker 1: team on Thanksgiving? Also, coming off of victory, let's go
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  Speaker 1: to the Chiefs in Arrowhead.
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  Speaker 3: So if the Colt should blitz, they do criss cross blitz.
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  Speaker 3: Mahomes goes over the middle to pass.
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  Speaker 11: This didn't catch made by Worthy and a catch and
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  Speaker 11: cold territory of thirty one yards. Worthy with the great
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  Speaker 11: catch burning Chavarius warned the ex chief and the Chiefs
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  Speaker 11: are in business at five point fifteen to go.
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  Speaker 3: In the overtime, tight to twenty.
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  Speaker 12: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Mitch Holtis on k f n Z with the heady
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  Speaker 1: called noting, Yes, it was a Tarvarius word revenge game,
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  Speaker 1: but the chief got their revenge in the end, twenty
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  Speaker 1: three to twenty in overtime. A fascinating game. It felt
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  Speaker 1: like a playoff game the Eagles Cowboys was just weird fun.
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  Speaker 1: This felt like it could have been in January, and
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be surprised shook in the end that the
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs made the plays to win as if it was
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  Speaker 1: a January game. Down twenty to nine going into the
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter, the Chiefs are driving. Patrick Mahomes needed to
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  Speaker 1: win this game if they were going to win this game,
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  Speaker 1: and they did.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously.
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  Speaker 1: It was gonna be the biggest fourth quarter comeback of
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  Speaker 1: his entire career. And when Kareem Hunt fumbled the ball
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  Speaker 1: in the red zone while they're going in to start
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  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, I really thought, man, that's probably it.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what, Steve Spagnolo kept sending the house,
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  Speaker 1: Chris Jones kept getting pressures to get the Colts off
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  Speaker 1: the field, and ultimately the Chiefs offense which just couldn't
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  Speaker 1: buy a big play all day, just ground down this
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  Speaker 1: Colts defense and eventually wins it in overtime, a gut
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  Speaker 1: check win. And I don't think you can overstate how
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  Speaker 1: important it is to this entire Chief season.
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  Speaker 8: No, absolutely not, especially after Travis Kelsey was outspoken this
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  Speaker 8: week saying that people needed to stop being selfish. This
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  Speaker 8: was going to be a situation that was going to
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  Speaker 8: test your you know, intestinal fortitude as a team, Like,
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  Speaker 8: how are you going to overcome this adversity at home
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  Speaker 8: against one of the rising star teams of the AFC
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  Speaker 8: this year, one of the darlings in the Indianapolis Colts
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  Speaker 8: with one of the most complete offenses in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: How do you do it?
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  Speaker 8: You outgain them nearly two to one, very close to
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  Speaker 8: two to one, You overcome early and mid early fourth
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  Speaker 8: quarter turnover as well, and you mount the comeback. Which
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  Speaker 8: is a prime example of why when we continue to
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  Speaker 8: consider this team week by week, no matter their record
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  Speaker 8: five and five now six and five, we cannot put
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  Speaker 8: them to bed because they have the culture and the
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  Speaker 8: experience is to overcome adversity in situations like that. Sometimes
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  Speaker 8: they need to remind themselves that they're capable of it.
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  Speaker 8: And I hate to put too much importance on a game,
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  Speaker 8: but this type of comeback and then winning it in overtime,
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  Speaker 8: it didn't feel inevitable. Watching from Afar might have felt
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  Speaker 8: inevitable just because of the Chiefs, but it can be
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  Speaker 8: the type of game that informs your team that yes,
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  Speaker 8: you can do this, and it injects belief and hope
• 16:20
  Speaker 8: and optimism into the group, and it takes a little
• 16:23
  Speaker 8: bit of that pressure off that you're no longer now
• 16:25
  Speaker 8: you're slightly above five hundred, this is where the run starts.
• 16:28
  Speaker 9: Let's build momentum from here.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they would have been at five and six.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: And the rest of the AFC, I think, is watching
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: this game and they're like, come on, Colts, can you
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: just drive the stake through their heart? Because there were
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: so many opportunities to do so, and sometimes it's these
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: small little margins. And I'm going to go through a
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: few different scenarios in this game, but one actually is
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: late second quarter and at this point that the Chiefs
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and the Colts are trading touchdowns for field goals and
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: it's fourteen to six, and it looked like I thought,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: you know, the played a really good game play calling.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: They were going to escape the first half with one
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: extra possession. Those are like the small margins and probably
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: go up even more than fourteen to six. They get
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: stuffed on a second in one type of carry or
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: second and two, something like that, and then on third down,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Spagnolo kind of Jedi mind tricks Daniel Jones into changing
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: the play at the line of scrimmage into a pass
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: on third and one at midfield, and then Jones does
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: pass it, but the Chiefs, they're so smart, they change
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: their defense back and Jones doesn't have time to really adjust.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: And they get ready back people out out.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Of the box and they stop them and Stike and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: then decides to punt, and it's around midfield, and that
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: started a trend of Shane Stike and punting on fourth
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and short. He punted two different times in the second
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: half on his own forty on fourth and three, and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I think you know both the models and Patrick Clay,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: but I would probably defend that decision. I thought, with
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the way the game was going, I would have liked
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: to see him go for I think less forgivable to
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: me was punting on fourth and four from the Chiefs
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: forty five yard line with five thirty six to go,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: you're on the other side of the fifty.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: You're up at that point a field goal.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: And that sequence, to me was so telling because whether
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: you give credit to the decisions or more importantly the players,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs were just not allowing the Colts offense to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: do anything. And you get the ball at midfield, up
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: three with about six minutes to go, you should just
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: win that game, and they go three and out. And
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the Colts defense had been kind of bailing them out
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: over and over again, just bending and not breaking, and
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: eventually they did break.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: And it also the aggressiveness not just from Shane Steichen
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: what you would have liked to see in those situations,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: but on Daniel Jones in the plays before those situations,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: because on that fourth and ultimately four, Doms throws short
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: of the sticks to get his third and ten and
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: they get a six yard completion. They're to Michael Pittman Junior.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And it's a trend it went for most of the
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: second half where the Colts would be in great situations,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: there will be incomplete passes on third down. Ultimately they
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: go five of sixteen on third down in this game
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: where they have the opportunities. But you see the Kansas
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: City Chiefs lose to the consummate twenty twenty five rock
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: fight team in the Denver Broncos. And when they get
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: in a rock fight that's not against the Broncos shootout.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I will favor the Colts and Dimes every single time.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: But as the score remained low in this game, it
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: seemed more inevitable. And you mentioned the Kareem Hunt fumble,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: it could have been even worse. It could have been
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: even more of a like overtimes not in question if
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Kareem Hunt doesn't put that ball on the turf, and
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs just win this second half running away.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: No, And the game starts with Laatu Latu having his
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: third interception of the year put him on the Pro
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Bowl ballot as a cornerback.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Forget it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I mean he's got more than he's a cover edge
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of like the top players in the league.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: And he picks off Mahomes, tips it in the air
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to himself and they score or a short you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: three yard touchdown drive right after that.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: So one of their two scores that they got two
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: touchdowns right on a.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Play to play basis.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: The Chiefs look like the better team thirty three first
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: downs to ten ninety one offensive plays, and yet like
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the thing that stands out to me shook is the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Colts had no pass rush whatsoever. They missed a Forest
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Buckner so well, And I actually thought it was a
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: pretty uneven game from Patrick Mahomes. He goes for three
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards. He ultimately makes the winning play
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: there in overtime. But I think Tony Romo is usually
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: pretty forgiving, was noting how he's getting off his receivers
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: awfully quickly, and there's some numbers out there where they
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: are just not doing anything against man coverage this year
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: or in this game, he's eating up zone and when
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: they went to man today with Tarvarius Warden Sauce Gardner,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: like they were not getting any production and so they
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: really had to work for it. Kareem Hunt had thirty
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: carries in this game for one hundred and four yards.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: He's stuck with the run in part because Mahomes was uneven.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And yet you know, they made it happen, Mahomes and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Chris Jones, especially in the.
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: End, and it's indicative of something that Mahomes has battled
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: a few weeks now, and I think it really came
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: to a head against Denver, a game that he just
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: always felt like. It looked to me like he was
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: always uncomfortable in that game and just didn't really know
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: where to go, which is very uncommon for him. He's
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: one of the best play extenders and somebody who makes
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: something out of nothing in the NFL, and to have
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: that kind of carry over into an uneven game today
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: against a quality opponent doesn't surprise me at all. What
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: does surprise me that the Chiefs were able to commit
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: to the run and break a one hundred yards with
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: a thirty carry performance from Kareem Hunt, because this is
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: a Chiefs team that has not been able to run
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: the ball consistently for most of this year. Safer when
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: you get inside the five or the ten, you just
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: handed it off the Hunt and he runs a couple
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: of guys over and gets it to the end zone.
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: So that's encouraging to me. But I also pivoting kind
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: of back to the Colts here for a second. We
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: give the Patriots a lot of stuff because Okay, well
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: they're unproven, like who have they played?
• 21:53
  Speaker 11: Right?
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: We don't know about them?
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: Why don't we say the same thing about the Colts
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: because this is one of those examples where you look
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: at them and you go, you need Daniel Jones to
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: make a play, you need Jonathan Taylor to have a day.
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: Sixteen Carriacs for fifty eight yards is not a day
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: when compared against the rest of Jonathan Taylor's season. How
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: much do you trust this Colts team because they're going
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: to be in a situation like this in the playoffs.
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: This is a test and I think if anybody was
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: looking for a reason to be confident in them, they
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: failed that test today.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: There were so many opportunities for them to win and
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: to show that they were like a difference making offense,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and they started out that way in terms of like
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the play calling, but ultimately that sequence I mentioned where
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: they get the ball at midfield with a chance to
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: put the ball away, like Jonathan Taylor doesn't even get
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the ball. And it's worth noting like Jonathan Taylor and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: their running game like wasn't that effective overall today and
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: including in short yard situations. So it's like you're kind
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of damned if you do, damned if you don't. The
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: offensive line had a bunch of penalties, like they had
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: their chance to kind of stamp themselves and now they
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: didn't do it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: You saw a flash of it where there was a
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: play I believe in the second where Quentin Nelson is
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: pulling around.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Gets a great block.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: They get a great seal on the edge as well,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and Jonathan Taylor goes down the sideline and you almost
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: needed the Colts. The Colts needed Jonathan Taylor to have
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: that signature like huge home run hit a run where
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: that's Those are the big plays on the offense at
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: this point where the Chiefs were able to, you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: keep a lid on Alec Pierce and we want like, well,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: maybe Dimes gets involved in the run game. He had
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: a first down scramble, but he's not moving like proham
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Dimes in the run game. I know it's it's November,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: and he just looked a little clunky moving around. I'm
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: sure he's you know, the Chiefs defense was beating him
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: up as well.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's one hundred percent because he's he
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was questionable on the injury report, and he was moving
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: around and he's stuck in the pocket and made some
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: really good throws to start this game out including the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: first touchdown that that he threw, which I thought was
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: an incredible example of him staying in the pocket. But
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: he did give the Chiefs a couple of chances to
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: pick the ball off in this game too, they just
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: didn't take advantage. And then look if the Chiefs do
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: turn this season around, circle back to about three minutes
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: left in this game. They had a fourth down and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it felt like not season to go. But it was
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: a big moment and Rashi Rice, if you're watching on YouTube,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you'll see Rashie Rice makes a nice catch after Mahomes,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you know, drops back to pass. The throws like a
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: little bit high. And I've been getting on Racei Rice
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: for not really making plays this year. He did have
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a good game today. After one misplay early, then goes
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: eight for one forty one big time play by a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: big time play.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: You could almost say it was a one handed gram
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the way he had to reach up and stab that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: where it would have been a nasty Mahomes miss. If
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that goes to the turf would have said, hey, that
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: would have been a tough catch for Rashee Rice instead,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: first down and now they can't they can't be killed
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: at the zombie Chiefs.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: They are, and that sets up a beautiful Thanksgiving matchup.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: They're six and five. The Cowboys are five to five
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and one and both very intriguing. Meanwhile, this cold it's
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: lost Somewhere Texans fans are at home cheering for the Chiefs.
• 25:05
  Speaker 13: Uh.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Somewhere, Jaguars fans will get to them. We're cheering for
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs and could make it very interesting atop the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: AFC South. All right, let's go from that Thanksgiving game
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and set up the next one. Yes, the Detroit Lions
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: are hoping for an easy Sunday and they did not
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: get one.
• 25:22
  Speaker 14: Here come the Lions now opening possession of overtime golf
• 25:26
  Speaker 14: up under center turns.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Gives to Gibbs. Gibbs had to.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Take the.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Get up?
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Who cut down?
• 25:38
  Speaker 12: Detroit Lion?
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: W off shand up stand up?
• 25:44
  Speaker 14: Sexting hoards sremire gives to the House.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: No, the first play from shrimmaging over time.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Why didn't you know?
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: He can't? Ah?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, my good Oh put that on the Call of
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the Year list. I don't know if we've been doing
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: one this year. We should now Jamir Gibbs does it again.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Two hundred and nineteen yards on the ground on only
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: fifteen carries. He scores three touchdowns on the day. For
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you fantasy owners, he adds eleven catches. It's the Jamir
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Gibbs offense. He is the best pound for pound player
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. Like Ali Connelly was saying on our
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Saturday show, check that out. The Lions survive all time
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Jamis Winston game in terms of entertainment value and win
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: thirty four to twenty seven in overtime. And yes, they
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: had to stop Jamis Winston because of the overtime rules.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: That touchdown did not end the game on a drive.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: While we're here, let's actually listen to another Dan Miller
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: call because it was another big time player ending the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: game for the Lions.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Fourth and five with the Lions get to stop here,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: this game's over. Winston's gonna work out of the gun.
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: Four across the food for Detroit long count play clocket three.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: There's the snap to Winston.
• 27:14
  Speaker 14: He's back on fourth down looking pressure.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Cut the ball.
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: Games this tall gamell games, Hey notch, it comes up
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: with a sack.
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: Get out of here, poys, go to the locker room.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: This game's over.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Ah, that's another great call and uh, I do love
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a Lomas Brown just screaming in the background.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: I believe that was him shook.
• 27:38
  Speaker 15: Uh.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Look, they needed this.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: You cannot slip up to the Giants the way things
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: are crowded in that division.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: What did you think about how hard it was for
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: the Lions to win this game?
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: I think that the visceral nature of those two calls
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: explains it all for the Lions today, because you're absolutely right,
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: this is a game that they cannot afford to slip up.
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: They couldn't let this one get away.
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: They couldn't affor falling to six and five, and they
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: shouldn't because it's the Giants, a team that hasn't won
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: in ages, a team that's playing Jameis Winston at quarterback.
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: You should be able to make him make a mistake
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: or two because that's what he's known to do. Instead,
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: Jamis has one of his best days that anybody's gonna remember.
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: He catches a touchdown pass and it wasn't just catching
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: in the end zone. It's a catch and run. The
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: Lions in the fourth quarter had to find themselves just
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: wondering how did we get here? And it took a
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: great effort for them just to get into field goal
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: range to send this to overtime. It was a tough
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: game for them through all four quarters despite Jamir Gibbs
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: having such a great game, and felt like the rest
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: of the offense really couldn't figure it out. Defense couldn't
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: stop Jamis, who made a bunch of big plays until
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: Jamiir rips that one off in overtime.
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: A sixty nine yard run.
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: Two touchdown runs accounted for one hundred and eighteen yards
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: of his two hundred and nineteen total yards. He was
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: the guy for this team and that's why once he
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: got in the end zone, that was the first time
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: Lions fans could think, oh my god, we may actually
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: avoid disaster right now.
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: And it's all because of the guy in the backfield
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: with Gibbs in the back of his jersey.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: They were down twenty seven seventeen after Winston passed the
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: gunner Olshefski he or passed from gunner Olshefski and then
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: immediately Gibbs response, so they're down ten points in the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter, Gibbs responds with a forty nine yard touchdown
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: run that is epic, like all time great Barry Sanders
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame type stuff, just putting the team on
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: his back.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's finishing those runs.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: There was the He also almost had another long touchdown
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: run in the second half where the Giants are able
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: to get him out of pounds inside the five, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: all that did was delay the Jumior Gibbs touchdown reception
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: where he catches the ball and extends to get across
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the pilot. Just a great game from Gibbs where you wonder.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: You look at the numbers and Jamior Gibbs is averaging
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: fourteen yards to carry and it's like, how how is
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: this possible that the game goes to overtime when your
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: best player on offense is averaging fourteen yards to carry.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: That's because they couldn't stop Jamis in the first half.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: He had two hundred passing yards and two touchdowns in
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the first half, like Wandell rob and was almost a
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: fantasy wide receiver one purely off of what he did
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: in the first half. It was so much offensive success
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: where it's like, why have we been keeping the Jamis?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: And Mike Kafka wrapped up Also, Yeah, every Giants game
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: could have potentially.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Been like this, but instead we got the twenty twenty five.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, it goes back to what I've been thinking ever
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: since Dark came in and Winston. It's like Dable in
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: this entire organization deserves everything they got for starting Russell
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Wilson in the first place. There was a lot of
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: evidence that Jameis Winston was a much better quarterback entering
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five than Russell Wilson. And in Wandale, Yeah,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: had one thirty five before halfter, What did he You
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: didn't like my Russell Wilson Bury all there?
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: No.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I was reminded that there was another team that was
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: up three in the fourth quarter late with a gold
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to goest situation and eschewed the field goal, ultimately leading
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: to the loss.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: And that was a decision by Mike Kafka.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: They were up twenty seven to twenty four, they had
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a fourth down end goal, and they had an incomplete pass,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: so Detroit didn't have to use use their timeout. Molik
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Neighbors is watching from home and sends out this, Sometimes
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I think they'd be making us lose on purpose, because
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: there's no way you throw the ball instead of running
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: it to make them burn two timeouts. Then you don't
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: kick the field goal. They have to go down and
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: score football common sense? Am I missing something? That's what
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Melik Neighbors said during the game.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: I love that he posted that, and I appreciate it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: You got the tweet you sureing it while READI itt no,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: but you left out the four slammers that he put
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: behind football common sons exclamation point four times?
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Am I missing something? And you're right.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: That drive for the Giants ended with what under three
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: minutes to go in the game, and it ends up
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: being a Jake Baits. It took the Lions that long
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Jake Baits fifty nine yard field goal, or else they
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: would have lost that game.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: And yeah, that was an unconventional decision.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I do think the kickoff rule, right or wrong, is
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: playing a pretty big role in the coach's decisions to
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: do this, because they're thinking, Okay, if we hit the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: field goal, we're up six, but the kickoff is probably coming.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Out to the thirty to thirty five.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: That's like thirty yards of field position, whereas in the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: past that would have been maybe twenty.
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: You don't like it, sh I push back against that
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: because you still have to force that team to go
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: down and get a touchdown. And what's the role the
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: worst place to be is up six in a game
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: because you could still lose and you know they have
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: to go get a touchdown. That's fine because in this
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: game the Lions were struggling to do anything outside of
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: Gibbs ripping one off. I would trust my defense in
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: that scenario and kick the three go up by six,
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: so you don't run the risk of Jake Baits hitting
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: the game tire, which, by the way, the one he
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: may decided to overtime just barely snuck in there. Imagine
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: if you're up six and they had to fight just
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: to get into position there. So I disagree with that,
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: but I do I agree with what you're saying overall
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: because field position I think plays a big part in
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: a lot of these decisions, but in this one specifically,
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: you kick the field goal, you take points every time.
• 33:00
  Speaker 9: But that's not with the benefit of hindsight.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: But it's also not just the fourth down decision on
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: the incomplete pass.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: There was the second down decision to throw the ball
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: at all that stopped the clock after the Lions had
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: called a time out.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I think that's the one that bothers Malik Neighbors and maybe.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Me the way the wide open throw that Jameis Winston missed.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't kill that. That just he missed
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the throw, which is a very unfortunately kind of like
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Jamisy ending because he was incredible in this game. Can
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: we can we at least listen to the receiving touchdown?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: This is one of the plays of the year.
• 33:38
  Speaker 16: First in Canada, Detroit thirty three pistol formation. Singletary's the
• 33:42
  Speaker 16: back behind Winston. Winston pumps his right leg, takes the
• 33:45
  Speaker 16: snap play faith. They run an end around for Rowshwsky.
• 33:48
  Speaker 16: Who's gonna throw it?
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: He does throw it down the up sideline for whisks.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Oh he's as mayor James for the touchdown.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Holy cow, Oh do you.
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: Want to touch step at people Jameis Winston.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's Bob Popa, Oh my gosh, a
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: w fan and Carl Banks. The transition to the celebration
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: in front of the camera. Put that on the Jamis
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Winston Hall of Fame reel.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: That's beautiful.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: The famous dual sport athlete at Florida State, who at
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: quarterback is one of the more awkward movers in NFL history,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: somehow gets past the line of scrimmage, shook and turns
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: into an exciting athlete where Derek Barnes has the worst
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: rep I've ever seen him have.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Jamus not only adjusted.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: To the football but stiff arms Barnes, steps out of
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: it and goes into the end zone.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Ay.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: I saw some shades of Plaxco Burst there on that catch.
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: I mean, just boxing out the defender and breaking the
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: tackle adjusting to it in mid air. When el Shewsky
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: stepped up by the way because he had to step
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: up into a pocket, that just became a pocket in
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: the middle of the play. I thought, there's no way
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: he's throwing at the Jamis downfield. And then he lets
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: it go and I'm like, oh my god, Jamis is there.
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: And as soon as he boxed him out, that's when
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: I was like, oh, this is amazing. The broken tackle
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: was the cherry on top. I had the celebration. You're right,
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: Paul fam reel right. And that was the second trick
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: play that worked for them. They had a throwback pass
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: to Jamis earlier that he had for a touchdown to
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: Wandale Robinson to open the scoring.
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: Wild Day.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a thirty nine yarder from Jamis.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: There was a third and ten from his own end
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: zone where he throws it totally under fire a ball
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: that I thought might have scraped the top of the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: dome and it goes to Isaiah Hodgens complete down the field.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Just amazing timing, Hut spot everything and talent out of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Jamis and Hodgens there and then he has a third
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and seventeen later in that drive. So I disagree with
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: you both after hitting those plays. You know, Jamis didn't
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: execute on the play on the goal line, but you
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: have a guy open on the goal line, you could
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: go win the game right there. And Nick use the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: phrase trust your defense with the two twenty twenty five Giants.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: Defense, I'm never trusting defense. They just lost. They just
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: lost me.
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: They can get after Jared Goff. You know Brian Burns
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: a little on that last drive. Brian Burns did go
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: take a breather, So maybe maybe you're right.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: And yeah, it's crazy.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: The Gibbs day as great, like they have really leaned
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: into playing him more forty eight snaps to twenty two
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: for Montgomery. And I know he hit those two big
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: plays and that's like most of his yard, but he
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: had a seventy five percent success or seventy seven percent
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: success rate on his fronts today, so it was not
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: even just the long ones. Put that man in whatever
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: conversation you want, offensive player of the year, I guess,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad because if if the Lions had lost
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: on that play to Jamis Wins, I think you just
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: have to eliminate them from playoff contention.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: I just think your season's over. Wow, you just have
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: to go home. So it's a good thing.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Like a rule, it's just a new rule.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: They're seven.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And man, this NFC North, like all the teams are
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit flawed and really have no idea. Who's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: going to go out on top. Let's talk about another one.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: After this break, you will go to lambeau Field.
• 37:12
  Speaker 17: It is second down and goal to go inside the
• 37:15
  Speaker 17: one yard line. Love under center, Wilson alone back. They've
• 37:18
  Speaker 17: got a wing set up in the right side, and
• 37:21
  Speaker 17: Love takes hand off up the middle.
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: It's Wilson to the endside, touch down, and the Packers
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: cash in and take US sixteen.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: To six lead.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Emmanuel Wilson, Congratulations to that young man. Congratulations to the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: people who picked him up in fantasy and just played
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: him right away. Congratulations to the Green Bay Packers who
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: are seven three and one. They destroy the Minnesota Vikings
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: twenty three to six in a game where it felt
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: like the Vikings were not getting into double digits. Shook
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: if you gave them another sixty minutes of play.
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you're asolutely right.
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: In fact, it was so apparent that they weren't getting
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: into double digits that Matt Lafleur, perhaps uncharacteristically just leaned
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: on the run in the second half, played as conservatively
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: as possible, just run heavy, not taking any chances, settling
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: for field goals, just slowly building that lead because he
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: watched his defense dominate JJ McCarthy and the whole Vikings offense,
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: especially in the second half. By the end of this game,
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: the Vikings they had ten total net yards in the
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: second half ten. At one point in the fourth quarter,
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: they were at negative eleven. They were being outgained something
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: like one forty to negative eleven. Complete domination started with
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: the Packers defense, and the offense was able to just
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: ride the ground game. Didn't need Jordan Love to be
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: a hero, and they were able to ride the ground
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: game without Josh Jacobs because of Emmanuel Wilson. Great day
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: for him with a career high one hundred and seven
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: and two touchdowns and a feel good win for the
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: Packers who have to really like what they're seeing from
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: their defense.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense has taken over against some lackluster offensive competition.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: We'll get to the Jj McCarthy of it all, But
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: what did you see out of the defense in terms
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of averaging or only allowing two point two yards per
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: pass play on the vikings and then picking them off
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: a couple times late.
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: I saw a very consistently collapsed pocket and some of
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: it had to do with JJ holding onto the ball
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: for an extra beat, which we know that's typical of
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: him so far in his pro career and dating back
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: to when he was at Michigan as well.
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: But it was a pass rush that came at you
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: from every angle. It wasn't just Micah Parsons. It was
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: Rashan Gary, it was Devonte Wyatt.
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: They were game wreckers coming from all different directions, and
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: especially after you know there's a bit of a shuffle
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: on the offensive line, like it just gets worse and
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: worse for McCarthy and the entire offense.
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: But they just had no hope.
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: They were backed up inside their five at one point
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: and McCarthy twice had to run forward just to avoid
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: getting sacked for a safety. It was complete dominance and
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: it wasn't just one guy. Parsons obviously does a big
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: part of it, but this is a complete defensive unit
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: just imposing their will in Minnesota.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Before before I moved to the JJ Videll actually just
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: how did Jordan Love look like health wise? Is I
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: did not have eyes on this too much, and it
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: just felt like maybe that was part of the decision
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: making with all the running too.
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: That was and there was actually a point in the
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: broadcasts where I think it was Greg Olsen on the
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: call who was consistently noting that he was handing it
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: off with the wrong hand oftentimes, which indicates that he
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: might be dealing with something. And it was an unremarkable
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: game from him by design, like he finishes fourteen to
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: twenty one four one thirty nine, but if you had
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: to recap that game, he doesn't play much of a
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: part in it. And I think a lot of it
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: was just built around protecting and avoiding risk, and because
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: their defense was so good, they were able to do that.
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: So it's something that we have to, I think, continue
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: to monitor especially in what has been a very up
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: and down season for Jordan Love overall. But on a
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: daylight today, it didn't really matter much, which is good
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: for them.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're heading into just that monster Thanksgiving game
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: against the Lions. This is one of the best Thanksgiving
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: slates we've had, just because the games are so meaningful.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: It's now that time, unfortunately, that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: We do have to talk about JJ McCarthy, which at
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: this point it doesn't feel like fun. First, let's actually
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: let Wayne Lairvi from w R and W talk a
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: little bit about JJ McCarthy at least his last pick
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: of the day.
• 41:06
  Speaker 17: Swap to the left side, Jefferson, why to the left
• 41:08
  Speaker 17: balentime that way as well. Safeties are high coverage. Just
• 41:11
  Speaker 17: saw here's the snap. McCarthy looks Fire's left side and the.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Overthrow better sceptin.
• 41:20
  Speaker 17: Evan Williams william his second game in a row with
• 41:25
  Speaker 17: an interception, and that will do it. Evan Williams delivers
• 41:30
  Speaker 17: his second consecutive dagger.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Love a second consecutive dagger.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: We we thought about listening to Paul Allen on Minnesota,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: you know, just for the kind of disappointment of it all,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: but it just seemed mean and like he might be
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: over at that point of the game there, four and seven,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: like he didn't even really have the juice to be
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: that sad.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we heard Paul on the downside last week.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: We had a chance to listen to it before the show,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: and it's it's not a person who expected a different
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: outcome at this point, the offense struggling JJ McCarthy with
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: a big overstride on that overthrow to Jalen Naylor, who
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: you wanted that ball a little bit on the inside.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the emotions come through from Paul, one of
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: the best in the game. But he's honest. He's honest
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: in the way he feels about it. It's not a
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: good feeling in Minnesota or I.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Don't know if I've ever seen this, Like JJ had
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: a negative point sixty five EPA per play today and
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: before those last two interceptions it was actually negative point
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: four something, So it wasn't even just the turnovers. That
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: means every time JJ McCarthy is dropping back to pass
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: like they're giving up two thirds of a point, it's
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: just a crazy stat What like, what did it look
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: like when you're trying to isolate his play shook versus
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: just the Packers defense playing well.
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that's how in effective they are as
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: a passing offenseve Jj quarterback. It's funny because I brought
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: up the Matt Laflord leaning on the run in the
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: second half. Kevin O'Connell tried to do that in the
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: first half, like more than probably he's done the entire season,
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: and it kept them competitive, but it also felt intentional,
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: as if to not throw his quarterback to the Wolves.
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: But if this is your starter and you want to
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: contend with him, eventually you're going to have to test him.
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: In the second half, they had to test him because
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: they were the deficit was increasing incrementally, and ultimately he
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: failed that test. And what you see from him is
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: inconsistent feet, which O'Connell has talked about trying to marry
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: the eyes and the feet, and you see somebody who
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: is not entirely confident in the decisions that he makes,
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: whether it's with timing, hesitating for half a beat or
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: a full beat, whether he the pockets collapsing on him.
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: He doesn't sense the rush, which has been an issue.
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: He gets his arm hit on his first pick, which
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: sends it flying right into the hands of a defender
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: for an interception, or it's just the.
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: Fact that he doesn't seem like he's up to speed
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: with the game.
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: And then when he sails that pass, that's one of
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: the few times that he throws it in rhythm with
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: obviously a very big stride. Footwork again not working very well,
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: but he sails it to the point where you get
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: the leap from Jalen Neelers if he's like, I have
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: no shot of getting that ball.
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: This is just what we're dealing with right now.
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: It's got to be so frustrating to be a Vikings
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: receiver right now knowing that the guy who's you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: directing your offense can can douce makes some magic, but
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: the quarterback just can't make it happen.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Very difficult decision for Kevin O'Connell. I think whether to
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: keep playing him because he's at a like Zach Wilson,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: early Zach Wilson level right now where it just feels
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: like maybe you owe it to the team to give
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Brosma a chance for a couple of weeks and just
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: see it if that's any better. Let's listen to Koc
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: after the game.
• 44:30
  Speaker 13: I still believe you know, he's he's absolutely under control.
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: From a play call standpoint. There's little things, you know
• 44:37
  Speaker 13: that happen, like a quarterback getting tripped up, you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: on a play pass where you might have a look
• 44:42
  Speaker 13: at something, or you know, just maybe the dialogue in
• 44:46
  Speaker 13: the huddle making sure all eleven are on the same pittures.
• 44:48
  Speaker 13: Little things that come up here and there that just
• 44:51
  Speaker 13: continue to limit your chances of having ultimate success enough
• 44:55
  Speaker 13: against the good defense to go put points on the board.
• 44:58
  Speaker 13: But it is one of those things where I do
• 45:00
  Speaker 13: believe wholeheartedly that you know, it takes a driver two
• 45:03
  Speaker 13: of confidence building to truly cement kind of what we
• 45:07
  Speaker 13: want to be as an offense.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So if their season was not over before this week,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: it is now. And unfortunately they had some major injuries
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: in this game too. Donovan Jackson, their first round guard,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: goes out late. Christian Daris saw their left tackle was
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: hurt during the game, as you kind of heart alluded
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to in the call, and Josh Mattelis, their great safety,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: was also hurt. So when it rains, it pours for
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the Vikings. But yeah, the Packers set up a really
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: big one On Thanksgiving. We'll be talking about that on
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Tuesday will be our Thanksgiving preview. Let's wrap up the
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: NFC North here with the team that was leading the
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: division heading into Sunday.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Fourth one seconds snap back Rudolph pro wep.
• 45:48
  Speaker 12: A complete it was better Gov. Bears are gonna win
• 45:52
  Speaker 12: this one. Betet down again. The Bears got their hands
• 45:57
  Speaker 12: up on fourth don at six and we got a Oh,
• 46:03
  Speaker 12: Jeff Joniak, He's on this show every freaking week. Thirty
• 46:07
  Speaker 12: one twenty eight. Bears survive another one, this time over
• 46:13
  Speaker 12: the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: So that's a win?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: What by three points today, two points last week, four
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: points a few weeks back before that, and five points
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: against the Bengals are a team that finds a way
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: to get it done.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: How did they get it done today?
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Patrick Well?
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I will call it because I thought of a name
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: for Dennis Allen's defense. They are the bend and break
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: their hearts defense from the Chicago Bears. Where it works
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: once again. The Steelers a mass three hundred and forty
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: five net yards. They outgained the Bears. They converted eight
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: to fourteen first downs. They got big chunk plays like
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Gainwell on a fake tush push where all the
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: fake tousch pushes are way more successful than the actual
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: touch pushes going around in the league. Kenneth Kennedy had
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: a fifty two yard or somehow didn't get in, but
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: they don't let him score. They let Jaylen Warren score,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: by the way, so Kenny g leads the Steelers in rushing.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: But you get another great Nashan Wright interception where he
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: almost does the same thing he did last week, where
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: it's a great one hand essentially interception to rob dk
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Metcalf of a completion on the sideline. And then late
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: you get Montes Sweat getting the Bears an extra possession
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: with a strip sack. He has six and a half
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: sacks over his last six games. And yeah, they give
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: up yards, but this team is going to get the
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: ball from You get an extra possession or two in
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: this instance, and get enough to hold on and get
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: a win. In the fourth quarter against a Steelers team
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: with Mason Rudolph that did move the ball. They lost
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: dk Metcalf for a stretch in this game. He would
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: eventually come back. Joey Porter Junior also left this game,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: which had an impact on the defense. But you get
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: three touchdowns from Caleb nice work with the ball.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: End up falling victim to t J.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Watt had another strip sack herbig jumped on top of
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: it for a touchdown. One hundred and fifteen career sacks
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: for TJ Watt. He passed JJ Watt. Yeah, famously Justin
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: James Watt, who played for the Houston Texans. So, Greg,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you, how many sacks does TJ
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: need to, in your mind be a better player than
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: JJ Watt.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: I don't think there's a number.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I think what TJ would have to do is be
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: the one of the best players ever for like a
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: couple of seasons in a row. And I and it's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: crazy to say that, because you're making me. You're the
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: one that says, oh, you don't like to compare him.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: I know, but their brothers in the stat was there.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: As I say, TJ Watt is a inner circle, first
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer yep. And yet I don't think
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: there's anything he could do because I think JJ Watt
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: is the best defensive player since I started covering football,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: which is like twenty something years now, which is crazy
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: twenty years.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's the best. So I don't think.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think TJ could get it
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: number five.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: By the way, on our top twenty five players of
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the last twenty five, we know what TJ was on
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: that list.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look credit to.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Him, just down because there's nothing he can do.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: He was like twenty one.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: He ketch big brother.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: He can climb that list, but we'll get into the
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: top five would be tough.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: There was nothing he could do on one of the
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: biggest defensive possessions because the Steelers again that chances in
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: the second half, there was a third down where the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Steelers secondary just releases DJ Moore to the grass. They
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: were trying to pass DJ Moore on Essentially there was
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: no defender there and so Caleb Williams hits him for
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: his third touchdown of the day. There's a chance though,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: with Mason Rudolph in a comeback attempt. He hit Pat
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Friarmouth for six and then got the ball back with
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: a minute and twenty nine.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Seconds to go.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: But there was Jakwan Brisker on fourth down, the call
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: that you heard from Jony k as they fade to
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: black and the Bears get another big.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Hell, let's listen to another call from Jonyack it could
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: that play because to me, it was typical of what
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: we've seen a little too often from the Steelers defense
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 49:53
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• 49:58
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• 50:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's nowhere nobody on the screen.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: It just you just see that more often, and in
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: a game where the Steelers had a higher success rate
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: passing the ball, a higher success rate running the ball,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: you just see these mistakes sometimes from the Steelers defense
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: and they're just not as complete as you want them
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: to be. Ultimately, I guess we get Aaron Rodgers back
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: next week. Mike Tomlins said after the game, I thought
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: it might look a little different with Mason Rudolph, and
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: it ultimately didn't.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: Really. We did not have a wide receiver top thirty
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: six yards in this game.
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: Shook no, and that's not surprising.
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: What infuriates me with the Steelers team is you just
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: never get the complimentary football. You get one week where
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: the defense is really good, like last week against Cincinnati,
• 50:49
  Speaker 8: you get this week where the offense isn't great, but statistically,
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: they put up, you know, three hundred and forty five yards.
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: They're in the game, it's thirty one twenty eight to
• 50:55
  Speaker 8: the nyl and the defense drops the ball. And that
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: is why I think that they perfectly present their record
• 51:00
  Speaker 8: at six and five.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: They are a near five hundred team with the potential
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: to put together a great performance against a good team
• 51:08
  Speaker 8: and challenge them, but ultimately cannot be trusted to produce
• 51:11
  Speaker 8: in big spots against red hot teams like the Bears,
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: especially on the road, which is a bummer.
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: And I don't think Aaron Rodgers makes that any better
• 51:17
  Speaker 9: for them.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Yeah, they Caleb Williams play was probably the worst
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: sack that he's took this year in terms of not
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: understanding he needed to get rid of the ball there
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: and spinning back. But a Bears fan hit me up
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: after that one was like, the difference is now the
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Bears have a Caleb Williams a quarterback and he's playing
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: the way where immediately he responds with like a touchdown
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: drive after that. So kudos to the Bears staying atop
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: this division, and kudos to Ben Johnson proven all those
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: people wrong who said that he just didn't have.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: It as like a leader.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Is he a leader of men? Or is he some
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: sort of egghead? I mean he's he might be the
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: biggest star in the locker room this year.
• 51:56
  Speaker 18: Oh yeah, I tell you what.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I tell you what.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: It takes a village.
• 52:04
  Speaker 18: It takes a village. And I'm talking about players, I'm
• 52:07
  Speaker 18: talking about coaches, I'm talking about training staff, I'm talking
• 52:10
  Speaker 18: about everybody in this building. And here we are that
• 52:15
  Speaker 18: half the season and our depth is being tested. All right,
• 52:21
  Speaker 18: how we're gonna win this game? We got no linebacker?
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: You guys so bad at I I love that they
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: have fun of Chicago.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: They they're doing that you make a pint.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go, uh huh, doing straight up migos
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: ad libs for Ben Johnson. That's how you know you
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: got it, man, Go Bears. Eight and three, Mama, let's
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: just go. Let's go to Let's go to Tennessee, Seattle.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this stact.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Let's not go.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Let's just point out the fact that the Steelers fell
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: to six and five today, and after having such a
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: big lead in the AFC North, there was a risk, yes,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that they gave up that division lead before Thanksgiving.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: The Ravels will go for it on fourth end goal.
• 53:17
  Speaker 15: DeAndre Hopkins splits out wide to the right, Z eight
• 53:19
  Speaker 15: flowers to the left, Derrick Henry alone to the backfield.
• 53:21
  Speaker 15: Lamar unders center on fourth end goal from the Jets too.
• 53:26
  Speaker 15: The gives to Henry right side.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: He's got a holy g in touch then.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Driven easy pasy Derrick Henry and that run. But it
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: was not in easy games for Derrick Henry and this
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Ravens team trail that halftime, struggled with an opponent that
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: they would seem to overmatch on paper again, but end
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: up winning by a couple scores. Again, these games have
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: been consistent, Patrick, twenty three to ten.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: Does that make you feel any better?
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: No, it did not make me feel better because the
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: concerns over the past few weeks of eight moving around
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: more slowly and sluggish and looking like he's uncomfortable in
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: the pocket. Today was the biggest example of that, in
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: a game where Torod Taylor had more passing yards, more completions,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: and more touchdowns than Lamar, who was coming off a
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: streak of thirty consecutive games with a touchdown pass and
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: now there's no touchdowns in his last two games.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: You have to go back to twenty nineteen for that.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: And other than literally the Derrick Henry touchdown run which
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: pat Riccard comes around and blows up that side of
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: the field. They could blocking on that play and Henry
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: is able to walk in. Everything was a slog. It
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: was difficult. Kyle Hamilton left the game multiple times, comes
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: back in, which is something that you know, you grow
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: accustomed to Kyle Hamilton doing.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: At this point, did he finish the game.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: He didn't finish the He went into the locker room
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: stayed in after the game. Coach Tarball said nothing major
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: concerning at this point for Kyle Hamilton, which is good
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: news because the defense once again held the opponent under
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: twenty points and the offense just scratched out enough in
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: this sense, but the way things are currently constructed and
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: they're currently playing on offense where receivers aren't necessarily getting
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: a ton of separation, the time is a little You know,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Lamar had a lot of time to throw, which he
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: typically does because he extends plays, but his ability to
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: be explosive back there is a big part of holding
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the ball and clearly not one hundred percent, and the
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: whole offense in general is not at one hundred.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were held under two hundred and fifty yards
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: against a Jets team. It's almost doing it perfectly in
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: terms of they're competing every week. But there are probably
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: some fans that wouldn't mind getting a higher draftic. They're
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: not embarrassing themselves. They've definitely improved on defense, especially they
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: hold the Ravens under two hundred and fifty yards. Now,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the Ravens have held six straight opponents under twenty points,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: and one of them was the Rams. The rest of them,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: you know, and one of them was the Bears, who
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: is a very good offense. They have found different formulas
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: to win. You're an AFC North expert, Shook, having lived
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: in Ohio. How are you feeling about the fact that
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: everyone was right? Yeah, the Ravens are going to catch
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the Steelers. They've already caught them. I mean, it's a tie,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: but they're winning the tiebreaker right now. How do you
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: feel about where this Ravens team is at though? With
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: these wins like Vikings, this Browns game, the Jets game,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: even the Dolphins game, they all feel pretty similar.
• 56:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean you could sound cliche and just say
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: a win's a win right, and that's really what matters
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: most of them at this point. I would like to
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: think that they're a team that's going to peak at
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: the right time, and they're just kind of building that way.
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: It's just that it's it's so small and increments that
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: there's not really like a case building that that's actually
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: going to come to fruition. And it starts with Lamar.
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: But the side that you have to be really confident
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: in is this defense. For what you just said, holding
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: a bunch of teams under twenty points. Ever since they
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: acquired a Loie Gilman, they've been able to go to
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: this three s ifety look that's allowed them to look,
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: you know, present so many different defensive looks for opposing
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: quarterbacks that they're just super effective in coverage. They can
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: do a number of different things with a personnel grouping
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: that is unorthodox by today's standard, even in the in
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: the world that we live in where everybody's prettymuch running
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: nikel defense as their base defense. And I think that
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: that is what's going to carry them through this period.
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: And you hope that eventually Lamar gets healthy enough or
• 57:22
  Speaker 8: comfortable enough that their offense opens back up, because it
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: just hasn't. And I think that when they played the
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: Browns last week that did not do them a favor
• 57:29
  Speaker 8: because they couldn't get in any rhythm in that game
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: because that Brown's defense was all over them. And so
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: it's not surprising to see them only put up twenty
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: three points and struggle in a game like this. It
• 57:36
  Speaker 8: was the perfect time for the Jets to turn to
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: Tyrod as opposed to justin Fields to give them a
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: chance to be competitive, which I think, you know, played
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: a part in this game. But ultimately, when I look
• 57:44
  Speaker 8: at the Ravens, I'm still very confident that they're going
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: to win the division. They're going to be in the playoffs,
• 57:48
  Speaker 8: and you hope that they peak at the right time
• 57:51
  Speaker 8: so you can take them seriously as a team that
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: can win in the playoffs.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: I just, you know, I want to look at it closer.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: But on a day where the Jets got like no
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: pass rush, their pressure rate is really low, and the
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Ravens offense has like a very low success rate against
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the Jets, little surprising thirty five percent compared to fifty
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: percent for the Jets. But they are in first place
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and they will be playing on Thanksgiving night, against the Bengals,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: and yes, they'll have to try to win that game
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: to stay atop the NFC or the AFC North. Let's
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: now flip over to the NFC and see if the
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Seahawks could take care of business down in Tennessee.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Third down and six slot to the New York side.
• 58:34
  Speaker 17: Smith and Jigman now comes over from left to life
• 58:37
  Speaker 17: four man rush.
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: Donald has time, gonna let it fly, got a man
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: jsid makes the Cats, takes the tackle.
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: He's gonna back into the end zone for a touchdown.
• 58:47
  Speaker 11: Shayhawks sixty three yards single coverage.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: You guys know better than that Tennessee, do they?
• 59:00
  Speaker 13: Yeah?
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: It was actually one of two different times on this
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: day where they got Jackson Smith and Jigba singled up
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: on a safety and he took it to the house.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Well, not each time.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Eight for one, sixty seven and two touchdowns overall. Not
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: only did he have that that long one, he also
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: had a fifty six yarder in the game that did
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: not go for a score. Jackson Smith and Jigba has
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: set the all time franchise record for yards by a
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Seahawks receiver in a season in Week twelve. In Week twelve,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: you know how you always have to be like, well,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: you know the season's line, like there was never a
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: season that was shorter than twelve games. It's ridiculous. He
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: is really incredible, and I'll just say it here. Patrick
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: score this one for the Jackson Smith and JIGBA MVP campaign.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: I think at a certain point, after after the four
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: i NT game, perhaps we don't we don't give these
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: points to Sam Donald now or if the Seahawks win,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: those points generally are going to JSN.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: And Donald had an uneven game. I know the stats
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: look great in those I mean, every one of his
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: deep throws to JSN is like better than the last.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: It was really awesome, like that particular throw, but the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: other deep one was great too. But he had a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: couple turnover where he plays in this game. He was
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: lucky not to get picked off a couple different times
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: it didn't happen, and so they got away with it.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: And overall, thirty to twenty four is the final score,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and it was not as close as that would indicate.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Because Chamary DK, who might be making All Pro as
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: a return man as a rookie, which is pretty great
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: for the Titans, return another punt return. So that's one
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: of the Titans touchdowns. And then they had a never
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: ending drive at the end.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: Of the game.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: They ended their chance to win with a touchdown drive.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: They they did they It really did feel like they
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: were kind of just trying to score to make themselves
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: feel better. But it took forever for them to score
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: at the end of the game and essentially ended the game.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And if you watch Mike McCoy the interim head coaches
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: press conference after it, you would thought they won the game.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: They were so happy, And I think that was because
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: cam Ward played awesome in this game. It was his
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: best game of the season. It was one of the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: best games any quarterback has had against the Seahawks. And
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: if nothing else, he also led the team in rushing.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: That was one reason why they were not competitive in
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: this game is they had Their success rate was through
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: the floor in terms of Tony Pollard and Tyzeri spears.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: But cam Ward looked great.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure we can really drive much else from
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Titans games for the rest of the year.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: No, And I think that's got to be the focus
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: from here on out is how much progress does cam
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: Ward make him and Shamiri dk and, like I a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: manner like the future of the team kind of worry
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: about the running game. I mean, I have a lot
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: of respect for Tony Pollard, but I also know that
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 8: the offensive line, no matter how much they've invested in it,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: is just not a good group and it's not good
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: for run blocking. So I don't hold that against Tony
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: Pollard necessarily, But it's got to be all about cam
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: Ward because that is obviously your franchise quarterback. You spent
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: the number one pick on him, and you're also going
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: to have a really high pick again, and you don't
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: have to spend it on quarterback as long as you
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 8: keep him on that path. So it's really encouraging to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 8: see him have, you know, the best game of his
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 8: season because you know, like when I do QB index,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: he's always in that lower third.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 9: But I kind of want to nudge him up, and
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 9: he has like a bad game.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 8: It's just that the Titans are so bad that he
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 8: can only do so much, and so to see him
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: have a good game like this, it gives me a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 8: lot of, you know, reason to bump him up, because
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: I think he's been fairly steady in most of his
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 8: games this season.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I was locked into this one, and I was noting
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: at halftime and even going into the third quarter. They
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: had three points at that point, and then he missed
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: the throw on a screen to Spears, and I was like,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: that's the first even minor mistake Kim Word has made
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: in this game. He was playing about a perfect game,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: and yet they had three points on the board, which.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: I think exactly what the Titans are right it really,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: but he.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Hits a deep shot, he has another deep shot that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: hits his receiver in the hands. He has a play
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: a dime over the middle to James Proche. They started
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Van Jefferson, Chamiaradka and James Proche at wide receiver. The
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: leading receiver is Gunner Helm on this day, and the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: coaches have been telling Ward to run more, and I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: think it was a coaching point in this game because
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: there were many key important moments where he did run
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: the ball and get first downs with his legs. And
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: then yeah, if you're watching this game on YouTube, you'll
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: see this isn't a throw of the Year candidate, because
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: if we had cam Ward throwing the ball against his body,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: across his body while going out of bounds like another one,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: I think we have seven of them this year, but
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: there was a crazy third and nine that was just
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: awesome to Xavier Ristreppo, who Titans, you know, fans have
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: been calling for all season and they got him. He
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: had a lot more conventional throws in this game, but
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: it was nice to see the cam Ward specialist.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were calling for him because it's you know,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: we've it's an eligible because we do have cam Ward
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: fadeaway out of bounds shots, but none to Xavier or
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Strepplo because that's his first career catch on that great
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: ball from cam Ward where it was all day. He
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: was pressured on forty two percent of his dropbacks. In
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: those dropbacks, he was nine or fourteen four one hundred
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: yards with a plus eleven completion percentage over expected against
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: a defense that has dogged everybody, including you know, the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Rams got the win.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: But Matthew Stafford a couple weeks ago.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: And you might have thought, okay, well, cam Ward holds
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: onto the ball, that's why the pressure rate. So I No,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: in this game, he was getting rid of.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: The ball for the most part.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Derek Hall of the Seahawks had five quick pressures on
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: his own. The Seahawks actually, you know, struggled other than
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: really Derek Hall to get like a ton of quick pressure.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, like they were better. I
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: thought cam Ward like for one game, like outplayed Sam
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Darnald by just a little bit. But we shouldn't give
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: too much credit. Seattle had a big lead in this game.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: They did what good teams need to do, and they
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: did give the ball to Kenneth Walker a little more
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: or he played a higher percentage of snaps today, which
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: I was interested to see. He had two thirds of
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the snaps and two thirds of the touches, and going
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: into the week, they kind of said that that was
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, so they might be kind of riding
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: ken Walker. And they ran the ball quite well today
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: against the Titans. So they take care of business. Only
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: uh three losses on the season, eight and three for
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Let's take a break and uh we will
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: be back on the other side. We have not checked
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: in with the New England Patriots.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: The Bengals in a two by two set set me
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: down in five lockoes under center the veteran quarterback with
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: a play fake and.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: A deep drop a lot of time double back kickball
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: for upside fifteen to ten, Come on around back over
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: the end zone.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: Let's mark as Jones.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 12: I never picked six against six and thirty.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: Oh boy, I don't look you up.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: It's amazing how quickty ten fick.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: You needed the touchdown on offense, you needed a getoff
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: on defense.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Oh that's Scott Zolek on w b Z along with
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Bob Sochi. The Marcus Jones Pro Bowl season continues apace.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: He also had the game ceiling pass defense on the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: very last play of the game. Yes, the Cincinnati Bengals
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: were in it until the last play of the game,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: but the Patriots escaped twenty six to twenty and Joe
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Flacco and all the magic that he's brought is, you know,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: come back to Earth. They don't want to pick on
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: him too much. But on a day where the Bengals
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: defense showed up, shook and got a lot of stops
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: in the red zone, especially on the one yard line,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: the Bengals offense without Jamar Chase and then without T
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Higgins late in the game wasn't up for the challenge.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there was even a bad sequence in the fourth
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 8: quarter where yoshavask goes down Andrey Yoshvasco's down. The next played,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 8: t Higgins goes down and you're like, oh man, what
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 8: else do the Bengals have to deal with. It's already
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 8: a rough day for them offensively, but you know, not
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 8: to start negative and everything. But that's kind of the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 8: story of the game, is that their defense gave them chances.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 8: They made it tough for Drake May and the Patriots
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: offense throughout most of the day, and the Bengals offense
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 8: simply couldn't capitalize. Now, that pick six that we just
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 8: played was Joe Flacco's second pick six in as many weeks,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 8: and each of them are equally as ugly, which kind
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: of just captures where the Bengals offense is right now.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 8: And in games in which their defense does show up
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: and their offense fails to show up or at least
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 8: do their part, that explains why they've lost both of
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: those games and why they're three to eight right now. Now.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 8: On the Patriots side, you give them credit because Drake May,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: they got enough done in the first half to be
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 8: able to just kind of chip away with the field goals,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: but they need to look really inward here going forward
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 8: at their red zone offense, because it was bad today.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: They had a sequence of nine plays, six of which
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: were on the Bengals one, and they didn't get any
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: points out of it. They went back down there again
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 8: four plays, the last one field goal because Mike Frabele
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: learned from the earlier go for an attempt and decided,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: let's just take the points.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: Three points counts. Patrick.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 9: It's a good thing he took the points, because that's
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 9: what they won by six.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: It was a rage field goal decision. You look over
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: the camera cuts to Mike Rabel to see what he's
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: going to do. He's already got three fingers up and
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: very frustrated fashion because they it wasn't just a goal
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: on stop on third down end goal on the previous
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: goal one stand, they got a they got a holding penalty,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: They gave him first and goal again.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: At the one, and they still didn't get it.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: They had seven snaps total from the one because there
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: was one other one on the ensuing drive that they
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: got from the one. They didn't score one time. And
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: that's why I worry for this Patriots team, which is
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: ten and two but lost the left side of their
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: offensive line to injuries today. Jared Wilson, you know, their
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: their third round pick who's been playing left guard for
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: them and has had his shaff struggles this year, is
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: carted off today with an injury, and then Will Campbell
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: is carted off with the knee injury. He had the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: towel over his head as he was carded off. It
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: didn't look good. We're not going to speculate at this point,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: but obviously if they lose both those guys, especially Campbell,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: who has stabilized that left tackle and been playing really
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: solid for them, they could be in trouble. Because I
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: saw something written about this game that's, like, you know,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: the Patriots rookies have helped to change their offensive line
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: from embarrassing to above average this season, and now they'll
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: be tested, and I'm like, they're not above average.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: They've been bad.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell's probably been their best player at left tackle,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: but they've just gone from by far the league's worst
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: to like acceptable in parts. But their running game has
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: been terrible for a reason, and it's their offensive line.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: The red zone offense you mentioned today and Drake May
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: entering this week, has faced the second most amount of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: quick pressures in the entire NFL. Only the Chargers have
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: been worse in terms of quick pressures. So these injuries
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I think really calls into question how they going to
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: construct an offense moving forward.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, especially when you can't consistently run the ball.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 8: And now you've lost half of your offensive line, so
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: you're definitely not gonna be able to consistently run the ball.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 9: It's just going to put more on the shoulders of.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 8: Drake May, which to this point he's been able to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: handle it, and you give him credit for that, but
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 8: I think today was the first preview of what it
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: might look like if he's not able to handle it,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 8: or if the road is just too bumpy for him
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: to find you a steady rhythm, because that's basically what
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: this entire offense was in the second half, him missing throws,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 8: him being pressured and rolling out and not having time
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 8: to throw or find somebody, people not getting open. The
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: one time he throws a touchdown pass in the end zone,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: it's a product of an offensive pass interference because it's
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 8: a pick play. Like these are challenges that they're going
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 8: to encounter going forward. If they are limited offensively, too
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: much is going to be on their quarterback, and that
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 8: is why you should be concerned about them. But I'm
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 8: not going to take away from the fact that the
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 8: first team to ten wins in the NFL. All right,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 8: I'll give that that credit.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: That's amazing. And the Bills lose earlier in the week.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: They're up a two and a half games in the standings,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: a couple games in the lost column. Those games against
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: the Bills and Ravens like looking even more interesting coming up.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: But I think they're going to have to have their
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: their defense step up. It's it's not just about, you know,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: one side of the ball. I think they could do it.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: They did get kesh On Booty back today and Ramandre
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Stevenson back today and they made it work. And the Bengals,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: who might get Joe Burrow back on Thanksgiving just just
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: to enter is massive.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, Niggaly Booty is massive, Greg, as you know, his
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: return helps. As you know, a team that has relied
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: on explosive plays didn't didn't get very many today. I
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: thought there was gonna be a great opportunity with the matchup,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: but as you mentioned, al Golden's defense stood strong and
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: the gift basket may need to go from Voxborough to
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey for being involved in this situation where if
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is in this game because should pointed it out,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Yoshi goes down, there's no Higgins relying heavily on Mitch
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Tinsley in the fourth quarter, who did have a touchdown
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: catch where if if Joe has more options that he's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: not looking staring down the chick in the flat for
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Marcus Jones to take the other way.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: This game is entirely.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Different preseason superstar Mitch Tinsley. That's why you watch the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: games in August, man. Yeah, and it's unfortunately we will
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: almost certainly won't get to see t Higgins on Thanksgiving.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: Jamar Chase will be eligible to be back.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: T Higgins' mom did tweet out that it that she thought,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: you know, her son was okay, and by that, I
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: think just like feeling okay.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: But it would be.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Surprising, you know, if he goes through the protocol quick
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: enough to play on Thursday night, so they'll have that
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: game against the Ravens. Let's go to Arizona, the game
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: that truly made Patrick lose his mind.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 19: They're not showing blitz, they said for here we go
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 19: to set off to throw lookie lookie fars the jeep downfield.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: That pole is going to be not the way, not the.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 9: Way, look the way to jack winning.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: It over time with another torific defensive play. All these
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: cardiac cats they win it again. I you win on
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: the roads for the jackson Bill Jaguar.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: They're back to being fun. Then it certainly was messy
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty four in just like a connoisseur's delight.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: To me, this was a delightful game. I can't wait
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: to watch it a little closer. Frank Frangie on wj
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: XL watched it extremely close, and yes, the Jaguars defense
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: bails out Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence who had four
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: turnovers on the day, and they escaped the desert with
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: a victory to get them to seven and four. But Patrick,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I do want to hear about the decision making process
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: late in the game and what you thought of Liam
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Cohen and his fourth and one call.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: Liam Cohen and the Jacksonville Jaguars late in the fourth
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: quarter have an opportunity fourth and one to kick a
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: field goal and go up six late and the models,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: both models, both widely distributed models, had a slim margin,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: but still a margin in favor of going for it.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Liam Cohen ultimately decides to have Trevor Lawrence throw the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: ball to Tim Patrick and it's incomplete with a minute
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: and forty three seconds to go, so instead of a
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: six point lead with a minute forty it is now
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: a three point lead, and Jacoby Brissett promptly goes down
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: the field. They get Chad Ryland on a kick and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: the game goes to overtime.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: I got to throw at the end zone. I loved
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: that little game management. By the way, Jacoby Presett does
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: not spike the ball with about fifteen seconds left. Instead,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: he runs the call there. I thought that was a
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: veteran move and tries to get the defense not really
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: ready for it. He gets a one on one on
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: the side. It doesn't work out, but yeah, it was.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: It was a little next level. I think you got
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: to look at the game in front of you, and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: I think that was what's frustrating you, because for the
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: most part, the Jaguars defense was playing pretty well in
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: this game, and all they had to do is stop
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals from scoring a touchdown with no timeouts.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: And we've seen the impact that having more of their guys.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Of course, they're missing incredible amounts of pieces, including the
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: guy they traded up for in the top ten of
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: the NFL draft.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: We hope to get back.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: But Devin Lloyd back in this game, who actually knocked
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett out of the game briefly, but because he's
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett and has his jersey in Canton, Ohio, he
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: summons the will to come back into the game and
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: be very successful.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: I have QB hits for Devin Lloyd.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: He's all over the place, does everything for this defense
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: where I would understand trusting the defense where Josh heinz
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Allen is having a solid game getting pressure, the Cardinals
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: dealing with injuries of their own on offense, and the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Jacks have been getting off the field. And it's one
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: of those very frustrating games on the Jags offense where
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: you get both good Trevor and bad Trevor trading places
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: during the game. There was one interception in the red zone.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: I understand Kalais Campbell's been playing football for two hundred
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: and fifty years. He jumps up, tips the ball, it
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: gets picked off. Those types of things happen. Yes, the
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: other two Trevor Lawrence interceptions were downright nasty and kept
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals in the game where it's a weird dichotomy
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: because they had a whole lot of success running the
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: ball early, including with Trevor Lawrence, and late in the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: game you get that interception. They come back, Trevor and
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers hook up on back to back plays and
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: get a touchdown, and it's like, yay, Jack's passing game.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Next possession is a turnover where you're just not sure
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: how this passing game is going to operate.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to think of this Jaguars team.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: They had a design run success rate today of twenty percent.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Their running game was awful, So everyone's so mad at
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: the play call on fourth and one, rolling Trevor Lawrence out.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: They did call a running play on third and one
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: in Baseil Twoton, who I think is the better short
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: yardage back, gets stuffed. So their offensive line is just struggling.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: But that's why you just kick the field goal there.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: I think because of this situation, Trevor Lawrence has not
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: shown you that he can be trusted. He doesn't even
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: have an open receiver there. I mean to watch that
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: must have felt so helpless for a Jaguars team. And
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: then you watch Jacoby Brissett do what Jacoby Brissett does
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: and overcome the Zebras who gave them a terrible spot
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: which cost them about forty seconds on the final drive
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: because they didn't mark it as a first down and
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: then they had to go for a fourth down and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: instead of being able to spike the ball, it was
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: a whole thing.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: And then you know, he gets down and at least
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: has a chance to go win the game.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: But when I watched this ending sequence two shook, I thought, like,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon is a defense first coach, and I know
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: they forced some turnovers today, but they never get.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: The stop that they need.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: It sucks because they keep losing close games but they
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: never get the stop that they need.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: It's the story of their season, the fourth quarter woes,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 8: and today was the fourth quarter in overtime woes. It
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 8: was a really fun game because it was very bad
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: and forth in the final quarter. But that's not what
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 8: you expect from your team when you have a defensive
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 8: minded coach like Jonathan Yahn. That's not what I expect.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: When I look at the Cardinals week by week and
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: make my picks, I go, well, you know what, at
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 8: least I trust their defense, and now it's Jacoby Brissett,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 8: so I trust him to give maximum effort and maybe
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: throw them into situations in which they could potentially win.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 9: But then it's the fourth quarter problem.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 8: It's you can't trust them in the final period, which
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 8: is what happened for them today. Although it was really
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: nice to see Greg dors get loose and move them
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 8: into field goal range. I thought I was kind of
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: hoping they would spike it or something, just to give
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 8: himself maybe one core shot the end zone before kicking
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 8: the field goal.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: But it's fine, Okay, I see what you're saying. You
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: could have maybe gotten two throws there, and yet well.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 9: Lined up with like sixteen seconds.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: I was like, bike it, come on.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I think I get what he was thinking,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: though I think he saw like they're a little frazzled
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: trying to get set up.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: But I hear what you're saying.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: And Patrick and I had a long conversation about Greg
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Dortsch in the newsroom, where I said Greg Dortsch is
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: a championship level fourth receiver. Like if you get dorts
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: as your fourth receiver, you build everything out backwards from there.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: He can get you to the ship. So the Cardinals
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: at least.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: They have that, they have that foundational piece of a
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: receiving group, which is Greg Dorson is the one.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: And who knows, maybe the Cleveland Browns have a foundational quarterback. Okay,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: I'm just little funny.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 20: Win shot out Sampson in you never know it's possible, shouting,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 20: geto the backfield here it's a three by one. Shador
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 20: on third down, throws at Sampson to the flat Sampson
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 20: thirty five, Sampson forty, Sampson first down.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: He's on the raid of thirty five. Get to put.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: Ray's gone, Dylan Sampson touchdown, and that is a LONGUS
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: play of the year.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 9: For your Cleveland brown sixty six yards to the house.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 11: Nill at Sampson's second receiving touchdown, and for Shador Sanders
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 11: the first passing touchdown of his young NFL career.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Ooh, we haven't heard from andrews Ciciliano and too long
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: he Andrew Nathan Zigura also on the call for wk
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: RK Browns win easy twenty four to ten in Vegas. Yes,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Shadar Sanders the first rookie quarterback, or maybe it's debut
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: quarterback for the Browns to.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: Win in the last eighteen attempts.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: Wow, it's a wild stack.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 8: You know how old I was when they had a
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 8: quarterback win his debut?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: Old?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: How old?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 8: I think?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: It was?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 12: Two?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Uh No, Shouldar didn't have to do a ton of
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: the heavy lifting obviously on that play it's a lot
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: of yak. But he did have a beautiful throw early
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: in the game. Quin Shaw juggins with a couple rushing touchdowns,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: and more importantly, the defense just dominates the Raiders. What
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: did you see out of shadur Nick will start there?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 8: Well, I anticipated a nasty game between two two and
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 8: eight teams, and we got a bit of a nasty game.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: But what wasn't nasty was Shador. He looked better than
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 8: he did in relief last week. You could tell that
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 8: the week of preparation gave him confidence. He got the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 8: ball out on time. He didn't hold onto it very
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 8: long except for maybe one or two plays, which is
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 8: very encouraging because that was his biggest weak point.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 9: He showed off his arm.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 8: The throw he has, it's like a fifty two yard
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 8: at Isaiah Bond That sets up a quinch on Judkins touchdown,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 8: rolling right away from pressure, fires it on the run
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: over the dB perfectly puts it on Bond for the
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 8: big completion That was at that point their longest play
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 8: of the season before the Samson touchdown. So I thought
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 8: that he executed it in spots. It was uneven, It
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 8: was pretty inconsistent. The offense is still a mess, it's
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 8: still dysfunctional. They still are a low ceiling unit. But
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 8: ultimately he steadied them enough and did enough things. Made
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 8: one bad mistake on an interception that's very typical of
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 8: a rookie. So I say, decent, solid, good thing to
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 8: build on, not a nightmare, which is more than they
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 8: could say about most of their season.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and more than you can say about this Raider season.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: You don't want to go too crazy on a day.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: Their drop back success rate the Browns was twenty three percent,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Like they weren't consistently do it.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: But he did have a thirty nine yarder to Judy.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: You mentioned that play to Bond, which which is almost
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: a replay of the chance he had to tie the
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: game late last week to Isaiah Bonnie. He missed it
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: last week, he hits it today. Miles Garrett is doing
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: unspeakable things on the football field. A couple more sacks today?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Was it two forced fumbles? What is it like watching
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett right now as a Browns fan?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 8: Well, it's interesting because you know Brown's fans in the
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 8: moment when they trade it out of two back to
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 8: five and took Mason Graham, a lot of them were
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 8: upset because they wanted Travis Hunter, they wanted the new toy.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 8: But I think that they're all pretty happy with the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 8: decision that they made now because Mason Graham, his arrival,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 8: has brought this defensive line to a higher level, better
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 8: than they were when they had Zadaria Smith and Miles Garrett,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 8: when they had Jadevian Clowney and Miles Garrett, because now
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 8: there's interior pressure that is consistent, and especially against an
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 8: offensive line that's really bad in the Raiders, I mean horrible,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 8: worse than you would ever imagine bad. And then you
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 8: deploy Miles Garrett against that and it's like watching a
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 8: monster just feast, just do whatever he wants, just destroy
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 8: a left tackle, line up over the center and shoot
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 8: the a gap. Cause all kinds of problems for Gino
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 8: Smith make his day awful. Ten total sacks for the Browns.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 8: Miles Garrett had three. He has eighteen eighteen with six
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 8: games to play, like he's gonna break the record.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: He's a little bit don't risk.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 9: I'm saying he never care. I don't care. I don't
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 9: care he's gonna break it.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: So Reggie White Ones had nineteen sacks through the first
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: eleven games of the season. That was in nineteen eighty seven.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: The previous record holder Mark Gastino had seventeen and a
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: half sacks. And of course, yes, Garrett gets more games
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: to play with to try to break Michael straight Hands record.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: He also had four TFLs today, so he is on
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: an insane tackle for loss rate two and it was
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: three total sacks. I only saw the two forced fumbles,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: but he had another one. And yeah, this season just
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: can't fast enough for the Raiders.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: They're getting worse screct Ye.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: They're the worst team in the NFL. They're worse than
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: the Titans.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: It's not even close where I was.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: That was my thoughts because I know everybody was excited
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: about the opportunity to see should or play, see Miles
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Garrett play against the worst offensive line that I have
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: ever seen.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: I truly think.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: I believe at this point in the NFL, I have
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: not seen an offensive line worse than this. And miles
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: average get off is still, you know, at twenty nine
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: years old, zero seven to one today, still getting off
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage faster than anybody. And you know,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: this line is overmatched everywhere, but definitely overmatched with the
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: best defensive player that you know, since since JJ Watt
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: was doing things, since Aaron Donald was wrecking things, it's
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: not even close. Miles is shouldn't be on the same
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: field disease, guys.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: That's absolutely fair. So the Browns three and eight, but
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: they are two and zero.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: In Kevin Stefanski hot seat matchups, he had that one
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: against May McDaniel where I thought, maybe the loser gets
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: fired and they blew out the Dolphins, but they didn't
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: fire McDaniel, and then beats Pete Carroll, who is not
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: having much fun in Vegas. Let's go to New Orleans
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: where no one who was rooting for the home team
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: was having any fun.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: It's yours cousins, looking, He's gonna sil.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: It for Mooney, Dunhill Mooney touchdown Atlanta.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 12: Oh my goodness, there were two block Shirts back there
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 12: thought they had.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 17: Good position and Cousins dropped it in a bucket to
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 17: Darnell Mooney.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: Big time throw from Kirk Cousins.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, you can't came Kirk Cousins down for too long, Patrick,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: No matter what you want to do, that's Wes Durham
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: on WZGC. The Falcons win twenty four to ten on
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: a day where, yes, their defense was the best unit
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: on the field. The Saints' offense only scores three points.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: They get their only touchdown on a pick six right
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: by Kirk Cousins. Wasn't there a pick six in this game?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: Or am I crazy?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah? No, Cousins.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: Cousins threw a pick six, and thank you.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: They got the score and they had chances Greg, but
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: they elected to to not score him do anything.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: That's true. They elected to kick a field goal late.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there was a fourth down that they went
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: for where Taysom Hill threw the ball instead of kicking
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: a field goal.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: That didn't work.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Look, we pick a lot of games throughout the course
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: of the season, and we're going to be wrong so often.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: But for some reason, I feel like you picking the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Saints to win this game, Patrick, drove you more crazy
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: than any pick you made all season.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: Yes, you were chugging hater aide as.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins was piloting a two play sequence where they
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: got eighty one yards off of a second and twenty four.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: That touchdown to Mooney was preceded by like a forty
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: yard screen to Beajon Robinson.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the screen came on second and twenty one because
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Kirk the pressure got to the Saints get pressure on
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, and it looked like typical twenty twenty five
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins where he wasn't sure what to do. The
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: pressure came, he threw the ball to absolutely nobody. The
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Saints lobbying Brian Brecy arms out to the stripes where
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: the referees do that thing where they have the long discussion,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: and then they dropped the flag out thinking the Saints
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: got a chance, they got a chance. They get off
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: the field here, they'll go back down and they're going
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: to score this time. No, it's a screen to Bajon
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: and then immediately Darnell Mooney and Kirk Cousins like dust off.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: It looks like prime Darnell Mooney and prime Kirk Cousins,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: where it's like, what are you doing, Saints? What are
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: the Saints doing it?
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: I love I love Kirk was kind of like gearing
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: back to get everything into that throat, and uh, they
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: get a win, which you know for the season they had.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Anyone is going to feel good four and seven for
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: the Saints. I mean for the Falcons and the Saints fans.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: After that touchdown, they all just left. If if if
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: you're I was watching that late in the game, and
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: like when they hit that touchdown to go up two touchdowns,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: there's about ten minutes left, and it's not like you're
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: really trying to beat traffic in New Orleans, like you're
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: walking out of there or just the traffic's not that bad,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: it's fine. Uh, but people are just like, no, I've
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: had enough of the New Orleans Saints and just a
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: sad performance. Tyler Shuck SHOOKI was the leading rusher on
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: the day where Alvin Kamara left the game pretty early
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: to injury. They had nothing going whatsoever on the ground.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Taysom went ten carries for seventeen yards.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah, can we end this already?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure we've graduated from the Taysom Hill experience
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 8: as a ball career.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 9: I think we've proven that in previous weeks.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 8: Whenever Tyler shuck, a guy who can improvise is your
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 8: leading rusher, but is not the leading rusher that you
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 8: want to run like the Titans want cam Ward to run.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 9: You know you're in a bad place.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: But when I look at this team defensively and I think, well,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 8: how do you give up twenty four points to Kirk
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: Cousins and Darnell Mooney in the Atlanta Falcons and Bijon
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 8: Robinson helber player. But here's how Because I look at
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 8: this group of players and all I see is the
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 8: twenty ten, twenty eleven Cleveland Cavaliers, where it's Baron Davis
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 8: and Luke Harron Godi and Sean Livingston getting his last
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 8: shot at the NBA which ends up getting him a
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 8: spot with the Warriors. Like it's a bunch of no names,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 8: this is a Saints team that is very clearly in
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 8: a transition period right now.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: Shout up with Luke aret Gody.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: I just think I would ever hear about if you
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: had not said his name, I would have never thought
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: about Luke Aeron Gody. Ever, again, my issue with the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Taysom experience today is it was all the highest leverage
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: plays in the game. Yeah, it was fourth and one
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: in the red zone and a gold to go situation.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, let's get shuck out of here. Let's
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: get Taysom to come in and throw a pass. He's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: zero for two through the air in this game where
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: it's not sneaking up on anybody at this point. When
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: Taysom Hill comes in, it's not, oh no, what are
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: the Saints gonna do. It's the Taysom Hill package in
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: the same Taysom Hill package, now under three different coaching regimes,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: where it's the same Taysom Hill package, and let's let's
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: get rid of it. I don't want to see Taysom
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Hill package anymore.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: No, I don't. It's I don't know.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Kellen Moore has got that special connection. He's got that
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: he's got that loyalty to his brother, and he just
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: he just keeps giving it, giving him the ball man.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: Kellen Moore just not inspiring in his first Saints season.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Let's take one final break and we'll get to a
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: team that's been pretty inspiring all season. Yes, it's the
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams. We're gonna say goodbye to Patrick Bye.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Everybody go say hello to the children.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: I shall Stafford the pistol has to go up and
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: over his left shoulder to.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: Catch the snap locks.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 19: One zoe is a touchdown, Devontae Adams racing underneath another.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 19: Matthew Stafford's got twenty four yards and you can let
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 19: those MVP chants bring in again. It's one, two, three
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 19: for Matthew Stafford and Debunte's gut too. Oh, it's back
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 19: to a three store lead. Matthew to the bonte.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: They are sizzily, They are sizzly. You know who else is?
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: Sisley jav Long on KSPN.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I met grunting in the background. Our friend Maurice Jones
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: drew the Rams. Make it a laugher on Sunday night
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: football thirty or to seven, Yes, if it's a day
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: that ends, and why DeVante Adams is scoring a touchdown
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: often two And this thing not only was over at
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: halftime thirty one to seven.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: At halftime, there was not much more to play. We
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: just got a field goal in the second half and
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: we were killing time.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Took because Baker Mayfield was out with a left shoulder injury.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: More on that in a second, But this was a
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: night I don't think it would have mattered if Baker
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: was healthy or not. In fact, he was healthy until
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: they were down three touchdowns. Man, When the Rams offense
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: is looking good, and they've looked great in the first
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: quarter of these games for over a month now, it
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: just seems like no one can stop them.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and then you add in a pick six of
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 8: fifty yards and it's like, oh, now, you just put
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 8: that on the board as well.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 9: They do feel.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 8: Unstoppable at times, especially you know, against opponents that struggle
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 8: to give them resistance. This is not the Seahawks game,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 8: but it is. I mean, it's another example of how
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 8: good this offense can be. Like it honestly feels vindicating.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 8: It feels like justice has been served to DeVante Adams
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 8: for the time that he spent in Vegas with the Raiders,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 8: because now he is in the perfect He's in football
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 8: Heaven with Matthew Stafford. They're just making beautiful music art
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 8: every weekend and we all get to sit back and
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  Speaker 8: watch it.
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  Speaker 9: And sometimes it'sdn't blow out fashion like this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe the best catch he made all night was
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: actually called back by a penalty, a leaping grab he
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: made in the second half he did have one drop.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: I swear he said more drops with the Rams than
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: any other time in his career. But he keeps getting
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: it done, and the MVP conversation put it on the board.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Patrick Claibahn, wherever you are tonight, is only going to
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: help with Stafford getting those three touchdowns in the first
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: half and that drive. That touchdown that we just heard shook.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: It just shows you how they can do anything they
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: want to do with the Rams because the Bucks are
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: trailing twenty one nothing. You mentioned the pick six that's
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: on a play where kateat and essentially drops the ball
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: as he's going to his knees and Kobe Durant steals
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: it from him. Look like he might have been down,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: but by the letter of the law, I guess he
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: got to do a football move and Durant returns it
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: the other way, and so it's it looks like a
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: blow out early, but the Bucks finally get a touchdown
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: on the drive where Mayfield actually hurt his left shoulder,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: but they get it to twenty one to seven, and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: then literally just four plays later, it's like a three
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: yard run and then it's Pooka up the seam for
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: like twenty four yards, it's Momfield for fourteen and then
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: a dime to DeVante Adams. So they can be explosive
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: or they can turn the running game. And their success
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: rate was through the roof, and I think that gets
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: lost a little bit that the run for me, for
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: the Rams sets up the pass. Obviously the past is
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: the most important thing, but they are in favorable situation
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: so often because of the run.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, And it all goes back to Kyen Willy and
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 9: the role that he plays in this offense. But it's
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 9: not just that.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 8: It's the offensive line and how they've been very cohesive
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 8: this year, whether it's protecting Matthew Stafford or opening running lanes,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 8: it's really allowing Sean mcvady get creative with how they
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 8: want to run the ball. And then beyond Kira Williams
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 8: in Blake Koram and we've enjoyed a little bit of
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 8: a difference in style. Where Korm's more of a north south,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 8: less vision type of runner. Kyron obviously more dynamic, able
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 8: to you know, find lanes and run through them. And
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 8: I think it just fills out this offense. Like you
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 8: bring in Devonte Adams and you put him next to
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 8: Pooka Nakua. You have a very good one two receiver
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 8: tandem Kyram Williams and Blake korm solid one two running tandem.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 8: And when it all marries together under Sean mcvay's vision,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 8: this is what it looks like.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: Right in the difference this year, more than any year,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's a difference making defense. So
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: the Rams get six quarterback hits, four sacks, seven tackles
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: for loss, and ten passes defense against Baker Mayfield and
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, who you know was not Jameis Winston coming
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: off the bench in the second half. But Baker Mayfield
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: then the first half, goes nine for nineteen for forty
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: one yards. He has those two interceptions, one obviously not
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: his fault. But what shouldn't get lost is, you know,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: on plays, you know, other than that interception, they were
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: still averaging about two and a half yards per pass
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: and against the pressure, I believe he was zero for
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: four when they blitzed him, he was like one for
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: five and took a sack. The pass rush was just awesome,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: whether it was Verse or Kobe Turner. And then Baker
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: hurts it his shoulder and he didn't really show it
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: at first on a run and he follows it up
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: with a couple of nice passes.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: But you see him win.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: See after they get a touchdown, and you remember, I
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: believe I guess I'll put you on the spot.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: You remember how Baker's career ended in Cleveland, right.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 9: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, it was. It was the twenty
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 9: twenty one season.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 8: It was after he letend of the playoffs and their
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 8: first playoff win since they'd returned in ninety nine. And
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 8: he was playing through multiple injuries that year, and the
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 8: first one was the left shoulder, which ended being a
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 8: torn laboram that didn't require surgery, but as somebody who's
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 8: torn both of his laborums and had surgery on one
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 8: of them, that surgery is not super successful anyway, and
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 8: it's not an injury that you can just like rehab away.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 8: And he gets annoying and he gets painful and bothersome
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 8: even when you're not actively using it as you're throwing shoulder. Now,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 8: we don't know what happened to him this time, but
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 8: he's got a history of having injuries with that shoulder,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 8: and that's what contributed to his downfall with the Browns.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: It was that it was a knee.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 8: He struggled that year while playing through those injuries, and
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 8: it bumps me out for him because this team is
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 8: so banged up already. They're missing multiple receivers. Their offensive
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 8: line has been a shuffling act all year. They haven't
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 8: had Bucky Irving for a considerable stretch of time. Now,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 8: and then your quarterback, the guy who has been basically
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 8: carrying you in most weeks and propelling your offense forward
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 8: through scenarios in which most quarterbacks wouldn't get you to
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 8: the other side. Now he's banged up. And you saw
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 8: what happened tonight. You take him out of the equation
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 8: when he's already banged up and they're just a non
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 8: competitive offense.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look they were without Jabell Dean, their best
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: cornerback tonight. Bucky Irvy and who you mentioned, Hassan Reddick
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: was out, and you know, the Rams start a new
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: right tackle, Warren McLendon. They put Rob Havenstein on injured reserve.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: You didn't notice any difference. That's one area where like
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick could possibly help. You're missing your two starting
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: guards from week one. I kind of forgot during the
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: week when I said they're only missing one guard, I
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: forget Cody Mock's already out for the season. So yeah,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: just a lot of issues and they're falling to six
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: and five, and we're right back to where we tend
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: to be, which is the NFC South winner is probably
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: going to be the four seed. And yes, the Bucks
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: schedule gets much easier the rest of the way, but
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: they're out of point, especially if Baker's not one hundred percent,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: where no win is going to be assured. Meanwhile, the
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: Rams are the one seed and in a week where
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: they put Hanstein, Quinton Lake, and Tyler Higbee on injured reserve, look,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: they look so deep there.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: Tight ends were so important in this game.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: You know, you get Kolbe Parkinson for a touchdown, Davis
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Allen gets Loose for three catches, and this is just
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: a really complete team. And to me, for the Rams,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: it's all gonna be about weeks fifteen and sixteen. In
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: a five day period, they will play the Lions and
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: then they'll play the Seahawks on a Thursday night, and
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: that's gonna to me really decide whether they are the
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: one seed or who knows Seattle might be able to
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: run this table too, and it could all come down
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: to that Week sixteen game that's in the future. This
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: team is maybe the best Sean McVay team we have
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: seen yet, to the point where him and Stafford are
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: getting into it and mcvay's getting mad at like thirty
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: one to seven. Did you see that, where like Stafford
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: missed a couple throws and they're like yelling at each.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 8: Other, at which point that Matt Matthew Stafford probably shouldn't
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 8: even be in the game, Like, just take them out,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: because the biggest key for me is once they get
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 8: to that week fifteen sixteen point, how healthy can you
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 8: be when you get there? That's what's most important, all right,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 8: So they're nine and two before we leave for the day.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 8: We did have some breaking news as we were watching
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 8: this game. Chip Kelly is out as the Las Vegas
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 8: Raiders offensive coordinator. So Patrick Claybon has been just killing
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 8: Chip Kelly week after week all season long.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: I feel like he was first.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe Pete Carroll was first, but Patrick Claybon was second,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: and it felt weird that he is not on the
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: show for this.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: So we're gonna do an NFL Daily first. Jock We're
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: gonna call Claybon.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Right now, just on my phone. I mean, he's not
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: gonna pop up. I never call him on the phone,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: so he might not answer. We'll see if this works.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll even edit it out. I got to put
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: this thing on speaker and we'll see how this goes.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 9: Is this the first time you've called somebody while you're
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 9: not driving?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: Patrick? This is Greg.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: You are on NFL Daily right now? Are you free
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: to talk? You are on NFL Daily? Are you aware
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: that the Raiders have been watching the show and that
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: they have fired Chip Kelly?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: Tonight?
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 21: You know what, Greg, I appreciate not just Tom Brady's
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 21: commitment to being an NFL list an NFL Daily note listener,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 21: but Pete Carroll clearly the It had nothing to do
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 21: with the output, the ability UH to all to be watchable,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 21: to be fun. This was purely reaction to our continued
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 21: conversation regarding Chip Kelly, which comes to a sad and
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 21: empty ending.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Tonight, You're you are such a pro I mean, you
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: had that answer ready. I'm fumbling around trying to put
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: it on speaker. You have this thing answered before I
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: even get there. What did you think I was possibly
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: calling you about right now.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 7: Well, when you started a conversation with I am on
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 7: NFL Daily right now, my brain went to any number
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 7: of places where it's like.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: Recording. We finished recording the show.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 7: I'm watching Van Perino with my kids because you know,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 7: another circumstance, it was concluded while we left the podcast studio,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 7: and so yeah, this is this is big news, very
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 7: important news.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: It's Markee news. Right now.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: In November of twenty twenty five, Key is doing something
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 7: else for the remainder of the season, which congratulations to him,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: because his previous thing was.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: Not going well.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, it might not be the worst thing for him.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: He's the highest paid offensive coordinator in the league. That
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: money is guaranteed, it goes on into future years. And
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: I now feel bad for interrupting your family time. Thank
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: you Patrick for chipping in as always, no thank you.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: Greg, and thanks to Chip Kelly for truly providing us
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: with something unique in twenty twenty five.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: It was great.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: Thanks see you man.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 8: Unique in the form of ten Zacks giving up to
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: the Browns today the first time in my memory that
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 8: I can see the Browns fire and getting someone fired
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 8: on the same day the.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Raiders just keep cycling through head coaches so quickly, and
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: you got to think Pete Carroll, you know, is maybe
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: on the way out too. He had not fired a coordinator,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: took in fourteen seasons during the season when he was
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: with Seattle.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 8: Now that he's fired two, he's fired too. To Patrick Graham,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 8: keep an eye over your shoulder.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: Patrick Graham's doing the best that he can.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: All right, fun Sunday, I think we really crystallize what's
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: going on here in both conferences. It's really coming down
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: in both conferences. If you look at it to ten
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: teams for seven spots, and it's fascinating that the three
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: teams out right now in the AFC are Pittsburgh, Houston,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: and Kansas City all at six and five, while you
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: know the Chargers, Jags, and Bills have the last three
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: spots at seven and four. We talked about the AFC
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: North before and then I think the same is basically
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: the case in the NFC. Ten teams for seven spots.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: I'm including the Cowboys in that mix at five to
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: five and one, and we kind of have the Panthers
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: and the Bucks playing the roles of raven Steelers in
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: the NFC where just one team is getting that spot
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: and it's probably gotta be the four seed.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 8: It's all shaping up, shooky, it's all gonna change. It's
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 8: gonna change. I'm telling you, we're gonna get a lot
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 8: of movement in these.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 9: Next six weeks.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, looking forward to it. Let's get out of here
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: because we got another show to do soon enough. Monday
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: Night Football, as we do each and every week, my
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: parents are arriving on a plane during Monday Night Football,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: was like, can we go live after Panthers forty nine
• 1:43:26
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• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: Are more important than family.
• 1:43:30
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• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: see you then,