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The illymation Drama Continues · THINK BEFORE YOU SLEEP

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  Speaker 1: Well, I thought we'd be done with this whole Illymation situation,
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  Speaker 1: but lo and behold, not two days after I released
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: the video about her trying to de-platform me, one of
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  Speaker 1: her friends is having a meltdown on Twitter. But this
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  Speaker 1: isn't just any friend, this is THE friend. But before
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: we get started, a little recap. About a month ago,
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  Speaker 1: I released a video on the animation storytime YouTuber Illymation
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  Speaker 1: that criticized her video called Perks of Being the Fat Kid.
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  Speaker 1: Alyssa from Illymation did not take that criticism well and
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  Speaker 1: responded by committing libel and when she said to her
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  Speaker 1: fans on Tumblr that I organized a targeted harassment campaign
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  Speaker 1: against her because I made a video saying, hey, I
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  Speaker 1: don't like this thing. This thing you did here is bad.
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  Speaker 1: That's not harassment, Alyssa. That's called criticism. Plot twist, the
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  Speaker 1: actual harasser was Alyssa as she called upon her followers
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  Speaker 1: to mass flag a video that she didn't even watch.
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  Speaker 1: How did she know what the video contained? Well, a
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  Speaker 1: friend watched it for her, told her what was in
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  Speaker 1: it in a very misleading way, and today we have
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  Speaker 1: found that this is that friend. His name is Dylan,
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  Speaker 1: he won an award for being Hater of the Year,
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  Speaker 1: and now he's throwing a tantrum over the follow-up video
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  Speaker 1: that I made on Illimation that basically said, hey, maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's a little fucked up to go after someone's livelihood
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  Speaker 1: because they said a thing you didn't like. Now, because
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  Speaker 1: of this whole situation, and since we talked about Robert
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: Cialdini's book Influence in the first video, I thought I
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  Speaker 1: might discuss some influencing technique that is being used here,
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  Speaker 1: whether knowingly or not, to rile up support for Dylan
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  Speaker 1: and Alyssa's side without any actual arguments being made. So
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  Speaker 1: when you ask yourself, why are so many people listening
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  Speaker 1: to this person even though they didn't actually use facts, reasoning,
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  Speaker 1: and logic to make their argument, you'll know why. The
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  Speaker 1: answer is basically because people care about emotional pools far
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  Speaker 1: more than they care about facts, so let's discuss some
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  Speaker 1: of those specific pools. Which brings us to Twitter and
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  Speaker 1: this thread here. It says, Well, if you didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to draw my attention towards this, then why did you
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  Speaker 1: tag me in your post? Strange behavior. It's almost like
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  Speaker 1: you wanted my audience and I to see this. The
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  Speaker 1: next comment says, Recently, a right-wing debate lord-style YouTube channel
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  Speaker 1: made a response piece to this Ilimation video, basically just
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  Speaker 1: being very misogynistic and fatphobic during the entirety of which.
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  Speaker 1: And as you all know, I have an exercise science degree,
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  Speaker 1: so I was asked for my two cents. Well, with
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  Speaker 1: an introduction like that, I can definitely tell that this
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  Speaker 1: is the friend from Alyssa's Tumblr post. That being said,
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  Speaker 1: do these people not see the irony of calling themselves
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  Speaker 1: the victims, followed by introducing their opponents with some of
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  Speaker 1: the most harsh language possible? Just like I said in
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  Speaker 1: the last video, before any of my material has been discussed,
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  Speaker 1: the audience has been told that I'm right-wing, I've been
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  Speaker 1: associated negatively with dishonest debate lords who will use any
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  Speaker 1: tactic to win an argument, and I've been called a
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  Speaker 1: fatphobic misogynist that you need to be angry about. So emotionally,
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  Speaker 1: when he says I'm right-wing, they know I'm an outsider
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  Speaker 1: who does not belong to their group, I've been accused
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  Speaker 1: of intentionally causing harm through my ideas with the use
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  Speaker 1: of the terms debate lord, fatphobic, and misogynist, and the
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  Speaker 1: audience has been told how they should feel about me. Again,
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  Speaker 1: all before they've been exposed to anything that I've said. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: I introduced Alyssa in the most neutral fashion possible by
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  Speaker 1: calling her an animation storytime YouTuber in the first video
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  Speaker 1: and gave her a chance to speak before I gave
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  Speaker 1: my opinion on her ideas. How exactly am I the
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  Speaker 1: bigot when I gave my audience a chance to form
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  Speaker 1: their own ideas about Alyssa before I voiced mine, yet
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  Speaker 1: you started your comment out with,' Hate this person you
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  Speaker 1: don't know.' I haven't seen an introduction this biased towards
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  Speaker 1: making you dislike someone that you've never seen before since
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  Speaker 1: I watched David Pakman introduce one of his political opponents
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  Speaker 1: to Dr. K.
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  Speaker 2: So basically, I talked to all sorts of people on
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  Speaker 2: my show. I found Jimmy to be an interesting character,
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  Speaker 2: a sad character in many ways, though Jimmy... does regularly say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, homophobic things, transphobic things, racist things. Jimmy has
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  Speaker 2: talked to me about his problems with alcohol, and you
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  Speaker 2: guys can probably see he's got some bottles there over
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  Speaker 2: his right shoulder. Jimmy has talked about how he has
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  Speaker 2: a daughter, but at least at one point wasn't allowed
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  Speaker 2: to see her because of some physical violence. Jimmy was
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  Speaker 2: also arrested not long ago because of, as I understand it,
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  Speaker 2: chasing a car with four black teenagers down the street
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  Speaker 2: while intoxicated. And that's kind of the Jimmy that I
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  Speaker 2: know big picture.
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  Speaker 3: Quite the introduction.
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  Speaker 1: A few minutes later, Dr. K was like, holy crap, man,
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  Speaker 1: that was a messed up intro.
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  Speaker 3: I was frankly kind of shocked. I mean, David, is
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  Speaker 3: it okay if I be critical of you for a second?
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  Speaker 2: Please, I would love it.
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  Speaker 3: So like here he is introducing you. And like he
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  Speaker 3: starts off with like bottles in the back and like
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  Speaker 3: got arrested for this. And like, you know, it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of a weird way.
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  Speaker 1: David's a real charmer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how does that feel to be? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: like because it's almost like he's sharing like the most
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  Speaker 3: negative or provocative things about you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, David's a propagandist. What can I tell you? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's good at it. I don't know much about David Pakman,
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  Speaker 1: but in this case, someone who treats an opponent like
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  Speaker 1: that is not acting in good faith. Let's get back
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  Speaker 1: to Dylan's post. Next he says, These people have no self-awareness,
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  Speaker 1: do they? This whole statement is basically him trying to
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  Speaker 1: argue that he's not biased because he doesn't really know
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  Speaker 1: either of us. He's trying to frame his opinion as
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  Speaker 1: the fair opinion. Meanwhile, he's added yet another insult to
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  Speaker 1: the list of reasons why you should hate me before
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  Speaker 1: even knowing who I am. while he continues to describe
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  Speaker 1: Alyssa neutrally. And then he says they aren't friends when
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  Speaker 1: she called him a friend and was willing to risk
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  Speaker 1: her public reputation and technically a potential lawsuit on his opinion.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like you might know each other a little
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  Speaker 1: better than you know me, a person that you've never
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  Speaker 1: spoken to. not to mention that you run in similar
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  Speaker 1: circles with similar ideologies, which gives her in-group preference, and I'm,
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  Speaker 1: as you described, a complete stranger. People you have things
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  Speaker 1: in common with are more likely to be influenced by you,
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  Speaker 1: which is why this is an important thing to focus on.
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  Speaker 1: Higher familiarity influences his bias. Next, Alyssa's friend Dylan goes
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  Speaker 1: on to recap the events for the audience in a
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  Speaker 1: totally not biased way, and then shows the entire commentary
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  Speaker 1: that he gave on my video, uncensored, full Discord name,
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  Speaker 1: Anime Girl Avatar and all, so that we know that
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  Speaker 1: he in fact was the mysterious friend that Alyssa was
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  Speaker 1: referring to in her Tumblr post. Look at him go.
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  Speaker 1: So proud that he made it into a YouTube video.
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  Speaker 1: Hey Dylan, do you know what a great way to
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  Speaker 1: not draw attention to this would be? Publicly stating on Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I just want to make sure that you
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  Speaker 1: know it was me who wrote this. I want the
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  Speaker 1: credit for it. Okay, so we have three posts of
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  Speaker 1: him saying, Oh my god, Senpai noticed me. And after
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  Speaker 1: eight posts of him telling his potential audience to hate me,
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  Speaker 1: Dylan finally allows people to see my actual arguments. Well,
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  Speaker 1: not really. In the second video here, Buddy claims to
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  Speaker 1: have a four-year degree in kinesiology, basically the same degree
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  Speaker 1: I have, which I find wild, because initially, he claimed
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  Speaker 1: very basic things like working out while on a restrictive
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  Speaker 1: diet isn't the cause of your dizziness while exercising. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so thanks for essentially confirming that she was suggesting that
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  Speaker 1: eating too little was causing the random dizziness that she
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  Speaker 1: was experiencing. Though it's weird that he frames it like
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  Speaker 1: this because I did suggest that eating too little can
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  Speaker 1: cause that problem. These people must have selective hearing issues. However,
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  Speaker 1: as you highlighted here, that's probably not the case because
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  Speaker 1: if she was doing a large enough calorie restriction to
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  Speaker 1: get dizziness during exercise, then she would have been losing weight.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean you really have to calorie restrict to
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  Speaker 1: experience what she was experiencing. So I gave some suggestions
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  Speaker 1: of what might cause that, such as nasal allergies, and
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  Speaker 1: what a shock, here she is saying that she has
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  Speaker 1: nasal allergies. How did I know? Like I said, see
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  Speaker 1: an ear, nose, and throat doctor. You know, if she
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  Speaker 1: just told her incredibly biased friend to shut up and
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  Speaker 1: actually watch my video, she might have learned something. This
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  Speaker 1: guy is super dishonest, and something I didn't notice before
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  Speaker 1: I edited the second video is this here. He says
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  Speaker 1: I called Alyssa an ugly piece of shit. I never
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  Speaker 1: said that. And what the hell? What kind of friend
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  Speaker 1: is this? You're like, taking a person who you already
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  Speaker 1: claimed is insecure, and trying to make her feel worse
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  Speaker 1: by wildly misrepresenting what I said. Did you say that
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  Speaker 1: because you wanted to call Alyssa ugly? Because I didn't
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  Speaker 1: call her ugly. I started off by complimenting her natural features,
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  Speaker 1: and then I said she would look way better if
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  Speaker 1: she learned color theory and picked a dress that suited
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  Speaker 1: her personality. After which, I gave her resources in case
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to learn more about what would look better.
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  Speaker 1: but saying someone's makeup is bad is not the same
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  Speaker 1: as saying someone is ugly. I mean, this is like
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  Speaker 1: some mean girl shit where this friend Dylan is like,
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  Speaker 1: did you hear that this person called you an ugly
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  Speaker 1: piece of shit? Oh my god, why would he do that?
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  Speaker 1: It's so misogynistic. Meanwhile, you're the person who actually said it.
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  Speaker 1: Moving on, he talks about the doctors and dieticians part
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  Speaker 1: and says my advice is bad without giving any examples
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  Speaker 1: of what he's talking about. I already addressed this in
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  Speaker 1: the other two videos. And this guy seems to be
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  Speaker 1: allergic to providing specific examples. He calls me a misogynist,
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  Speaker 1: but did he give any examples of me being misogynistic?
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  Speaker 2: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: Criticism is not misogyny, Dylan. He also accused me of
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  Speaker 1: being right-wing. Did he provide any examples of me saying
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  Speaker 1: things that are right-wing? Because you know that many left-wing
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  Speaker 1: people are against fat acceptance, right? So did you just
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  Speaker 1: assume that I'm on the right because of that? Didn't
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: you say that you shouldn't assume a person is on
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  Speaker 1: the left because of their opinion on fat acceptance? Yet
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  Speaker 1: you assumed my politics because of my opinion on fat acceptance.
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  Speaker 1: You also suggested that politics did not belong in this discussion,
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  Speaker 1: yet it was the first thing you brought up. Dylan
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  Speaker 1: goes on to suggest that kids in Alyssa's audience, which
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  Speaker 1: should be roughly middle school to high school age, are
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  Speaker 1: too stupid to do elementary school math when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to food, or talk to their parents about health, and
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  Speaker 1: therefore it is okay to gaslight them about a carrot
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  Speaker 1: being just as healthy for you as a chocolate bar
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  Speaker 1: when you have diabetes. Meanwhile, Alyssa is over here complaining
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  Speaker 1: that she can't lose weight while simultaneously promoting the worst
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  Speaker 1: and most addictive food to children, followed by telling them
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  Speaker 1: that if they're trying to lose weight and things get
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  Speaker 1: too hard, just give up. Did nobody find it ironic
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  Speaker 1: that Alyssa made this big deal about plastic pollution and
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  Speaker 1: greenhouse gases? Followed by me showing a researcher saying, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to prevent a lot of plastic pollution
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  Speaker 1: and stop a giant portion of greenhouse gases from being produced,
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  Speaker 1: then maybe people should stop overeating ultra-processed junk food. Her
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  Speaker 1: lack of education in these topics is causing the harm
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  Speaker 1: to the environment that she wants to prevent. Obesity is
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  Speaker 1: one of the biggest causes of pollution. Dylan then says
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  Speaker 1: that advice should be non-demeaning and only given when solicited.
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  Speaker 1: I guess he was making the assumption that I was
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  Speaker 1: actually giving advice to Alyssa, which is fair, but I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I know it seems like I'm doing that, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: never actually giving advice to the people who are the
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  Speaker 1: subject of my videos. This is like influencing 101 straight
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  Speaker 1: out of Dale Carnegie's book, How to Win Friends and
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: Influence People. Never criticize people if you want them to
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  Speaker 1: listen to you, especially if they're people you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It will almost always fail. So I'm not criticizing Alyssa.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually criticizing people in the audience who are like Alyssa.
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  Speaker 1: I'm criticizing the people who say they can't lose weight.
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  Speaker 1: I'm criticizing people who don't know how to dress or
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  Speaker 1: make themselves look good. I'm criticizing the people who cite
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  Speaker 1: secondary or tertiary sources and call that research. There are
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  Speaker 1: plenty of people out there who will say, this is
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: from a magazine. Surely a magazine won't misrepresent information or
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  Speaker 1: lie to me to get viewership. That's who this video
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  Speaker 1: is for. The criticism is directed at someone else, so
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  Speaker 1: that the viewer listens to it instead of getting defensive.
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  Speaker 1: And if Alyssa doesn't like an example being made of
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  Speaker 1: her or unsolicited advice, then she should quit YouTube. Negative
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: feedback is something every creator has to deal with. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to being in a public space. You don't get to
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  Speaker 1: reap the rewards of fame and money without the consequences.
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  Speaker 1: And the whole suggestion that the advice must be nice
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  Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Have these people never taken criticism before? Most
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  Speaker 1: useful advice is mean and offensive, because it will almost
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  Speaker 1: always attack an area that you've been avoiding, which is
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  Speaker 1: why you haven't fixed the problem. Do you think Aubrey
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  Speaker 1: Gordon would be happy about me telling her that her
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  Speaker 1: overeating is putting her on the verge of some pretty
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  Speaker 1: serious illnesses? No, she's already gone on multiple rants complaining
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  Speaker 1: about people trying to get her to pay attention to
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  Speaker 1: a problem that she's been avoiding. Dylan then proceeds to
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  Speaker 1: do what all these people do because they're lazy, which
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: is look at a bunch of titles and thumbnails and
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  Speaker 1: assume they know it's in the video, instead of actually
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  Speaker 1: watching it. Ironically, these are the same people who will say,
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  Speaker 1: don't judge a book by its cover. Oh no, there's
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: a bunch of women in the thumbnails. I guess he
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  Speaker 1: only talks about women, which must mean he hates them.
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  Speaker 1: Hey look Dylan, I found another misogynistic channel that exclusively
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  Speaker 1: puts women in the thumbnails. How terrible that women are
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that this YouTuber talks about. Never mind
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  Speaker 1: that if you actually watch these videos, you can see
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: that quite a number of them are about men or
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: were made in defense of women. This one here is
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  Speaker 1: about a bunch of ESG-filled big tech companies taking a
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  Speaker 1: woman named Grace Hopper, who was actually strong and actually
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  Speaker 1: very good at her job, and using her name to
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  Speaker 1: promote meritless diversity hiring that she would most certainly be against.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: Way to piss on the grave of a person who
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  Speaker 1: actually knew what she was doing and actually made people
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  Speaker 1: respect women in tech. How about this video? Well, the
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  Speaker 1: majority of it was spent criticizing men. The things I
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  Speaker 1: said about them were much more harsh than anything I
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  Speaker 1: said about Alyssa. And when one of them reacted to it,
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  Speaker 1: he laughed it off. The first thing that stands out
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  Speaker 1: about Jaren is how bad his hair is.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like he doesn't shower or comb it.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: How about this video? Surely this one is evil and misogynistic. Well, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: the primary source material for it ended up being a
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  Speaker 1: skit that fooled basically everyone. But one of the major
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: reasons that I made this video... was so that I
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: could crap on manosphere lolcows like Donovan Sharp, who said
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: some of the most demeaning shit to his wife during
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  Speaker 1: their marriage vows in the Walmart wedding that he provided
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  Speaker 1: for her. This has been, it's been a hell of
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  Speaker 1: a ride.
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  Speaker 4: I bring out the best in you, but you make
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  Speaker 4: me happy, you really do. I was happy before you,
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  Speaker 4: and if you and I decide to part ways for
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  Speaker 4: whatever reason, I'll be happy without you. I'm glad that
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  Speaker 4: I made you into the woman you are today.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: I am like 90% sure that his wife financially supports
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: him because if this guy has YouTube as his primary
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: source of income, with these views, I would be shocked
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: if he makes $ 1, 500 a month before taxes. Unless he's
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: getting some big superchats off his 50 live viewers, then
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  Speaker 1: he is nowhere near the high-value man he claims to be.
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  Speaker 1: Moral of the story, yet again, um, maybe you should
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  Speaker 1: watch the videos that you're criticizing. I don't get this.
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  Speaker 1: I never do that. There wasn't one video of Alyssa's
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  Speaker 1: that I commented on that I didn't watch. I mean,
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: I had to sit through hours of that podcast maintenance
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  Speaker 1: phase just to talk about it for three minutes in
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  Speaker 1: a video. I never just assumed that I know the
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: entire context of something that I haven't watched. But at
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  Speaker 1: the very least, if this guy is going to use
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: a guilt by association tactic, then he should probably make
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  Speaker 1: sure that I actually believe the same things as the
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  Speaker 1: people he's associating me with. This whole thing has made
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  Speaker 1: me unreasonably angry. I don't know, maybe go see a
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: therapist if you're getting this emotional about internet drama that
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't really involve you. One, academically attacking a personal story. What?
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  Speaker 1: What does this even mean? Alyssa at least attempted to
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: quote science. I'm not allowed to criticize that academically with
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: science because she told an anecdote during her video? I'm
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: not allowed to teach the science of how weight loss
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: works to people who are struggling? Two, discrediting academically trained professionals, doctors,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: and dieticians. He loves that word academically, I guess. I'll
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  Speaker 1: say it again. Most doctors don't know shit about fitness
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  Speaker 1: or nutrition because they aren't trained in it, and I
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: bet most of them don't even read the ingredients labels
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: on their food. And a ton of dieticians believe in
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: intuitive eating, too, which sounds a lot like enabling when
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: it comes to people who can't lose weight, and I
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: have yet to see that ideology actually take an obese
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: person and put them at a healthy or athletic weight.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: The point is that obese people don't have a strong
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: intuition on what's good for them, which is why they
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: need counseling. So instead of just making an appeal to
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: authority by saying, how dare he not believe whatever a
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: doctor says? Don't you know it's a doctor? Why don't
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: you actually address why I don't think a lot of
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: doctors and dietitians are qualified to counsel people on weight loss? Three,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: being wrong with your own inserted air quote researched opinions.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Something about the way this guy writes makes me think
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: he didn't pass English class. First of all, you only
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: really criticized one take I had on exercise. So it's opinion,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: not opinions. Second, how was I wrong? Let's go back
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: to this. It says, Again, the way this guy writes
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: is confusing. That's actually not what I said in the video.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: You only think I said something ridiculous because you weren't
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: paying attention because of your bias towards Alyssa, which means
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: you were watching the video actively looking for things that
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you could accuse me of being wrong about, instead of
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: assessing the correctness of an idea neutrally. And you probably
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: didn't have enough foresight to spend a few minutes re-watching
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the content before you made this massive Twitter thread. Because
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: in reality, I in fact did say that eating too
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: little will impact your exercise performance, which is why I
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: said not to cut more than 500 calories per day
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: when dieting. However, I said that I doubted it was
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: affecting Alyssa's performance because she said she could previously run
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: a mile, followed by barely being able to handle walking.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: In order to have that happen due to a calorie deficit,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you have to basically be starving yourself, which would mean
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: she would be losing weight. Alyssa's whole problem was that
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: after four months, she didn't lose weight, so I doubt
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: that food was the issue. Four, needlessly derogatory and aggressive. Yeah,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I'll be sure to take advice on how to consult
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: someone without coming off as aggressive, from the guy who
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: starts his arguments out with a bunch of insults, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: by saying that he's been angered lately. The new video
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: is hilariously ironic considering that the unironic Rumble poster, nice,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: making fun of Rumble, tell me more about how you
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: don't have to actually worry about YouTube randomly deplatforming you,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: because you have the YouTube-approved politics. The unironic Rumble poster
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: here boasts his qualifications while diminishing Illy's friend, parentheses, mine. Wait,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: so you're friends now? I thought you were able to
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: maintain an impartial opinion on this subject because you don't
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: really know her. To do so while sincerely attributing someone's
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: weight problems to smoking weed, lol, which she doesn't even do,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: is beyond me. For one, that's not what I said.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: You are wildly taking me out of context and putting
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: words in my mouth. What I actually said was, is
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that if she smokes weed, then she might be experiencing
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: lightheadedness due to being allergic to it. Two, you seem
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: to know a lot about Alyssa's personal life for someone
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: who isn't friends with her. Look at this. Someone in
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the comments rightfully points out his dishonest report about what
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I said about Alyssa's diet. He follows that up with,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: this could very well be true. However, the explanation that
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: he goes on to offer immediately afterwards is that she's
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: allergic to marijuana? This is a huge leap in logic
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: and making a ton of very unlikely assumptions that turn
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: out to be completely off base. Weird how he will
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: say that I'm off base when I never said she
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: was a smoker. I said it's a possibility given her
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: sense of humor, and I was completely correct about her
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: having allergies, by the way, which could have been causing
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the dizziness that she was experiencing. For me to watch
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: 15 seconds of the initial video and my knee-jerk reaction
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: of it being an incel pandering right-wing grift channel, not
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: knowing that I was 100% correct, is too hilarious to me.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: That's a strange statement because the first 20 seconds of
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that video is just Alyssa talking. You were able to
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: glean all that before I even said anything? Also, he's
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: displaying average Hasan Piker viewer levels of argumentation here by
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: assuming that all of his political opponents on the right
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: are grifters. Great analysis. Everyone who doesn't agree with me
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: is a bad person and a liar. Are you going
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: to be honest about you wrongly assuming that I'm a
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro fan? I mean, these days a lot of
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: people are crapping on the Daily Wire. Here comes my
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: favorite part. This exacerbated by the fact I get my
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: own words picked apart for lack of qualification without me
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: even seeking it out. Again, literally the mentality of, it's
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: okay for me to take shots at you and try
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to deplatform you, but if you take shots back, then
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I'm going to play the victim. I mean, you didn't
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: take a stance against deep platforming despite it being the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: main subject of my video, so I'm going to assume
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that you're in favor of it. But this guy's horrendous
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: misreporting to Alyssa of what was said in my video
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: led her to trying to get my channel taken down,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and I'm not allowed to criticize it because you didn't
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: say I could? What's this without you seeking it out BS?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I don't have to ask your permission to criticize your
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: nonsense and deliberate misreporting of what I said in my video,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and I don't have to ask Alyssa's permission to criticize
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: her either. Imagine if that was the law. No one
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: would ever write a bad movie review or say a
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: video game sucked if they had to ask the company's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: permission first. Sorry, my bad, that wasn't my favorite part.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: This is actually my favorite part. In a true Taylor
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Loren style fashion, Dylan claims that he tried to contact me,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: but I refused to respond or was too scared to comment,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and thus, I am a dishonest person. First of all,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: what part of this message says that you are related
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: to Alyssa in any way or are asking questions on
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: her behalf? Because to me, this just looks like some
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: random message request that my DMs are already flooded with.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: It says, Hey brother, I just watched through your most
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: recent YouTube video and I thought I would reach out
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: here hoping for a little bit of clarification on some things.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Could I ask you a few questions? Wait, you aren't
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: going to call me a bunch of names first? Strange
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: how your demeanor is different when you want something from me.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: But I get a lot of messages like this and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: if someone ever says, can I ask you a question?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: The answer is always no. And then I proceed to
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: ignore them. Why do I do that? Because my time
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: is valuable, and if you don't give me any information
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: to judge if your message is a waste of time
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: or not, I'm not going to respond to it. If
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you want to ask a question, then just ask the question.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: That way, I can determine if it's worth being responded to,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: or if it's going to trap me in some sort
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of five-hour obligation that I'm wasting my time on, instead
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: of producing videos. Welcome to time management. It's a key
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: skill if you want to run a successful channel. Not
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: to mention that if it's a bad actor such as
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: this guy, or a reporter such as Taylor Lorenz, then
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: any given response to them will be represented unfairly and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: is only going to be used as ammo against me.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Remember that not only does Taylor Lorenz mischaracterize responses that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: she gets from her opponents, but she also docks the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: libs of TikTok, so why would I want to possibly
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: invite that in? Particularly when you know that you're deliberately
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and dishonestly representing who you are by pretending to be
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a friend. Your comment starts out with, hey brother, which
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: is designed to make me feel like we're a part
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: of the same group. A brother is a family member
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and people view family members or members of their own
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: group more favorably. I'm not saying that Dylan is consciously
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: aware of every aspect of this, but it's a very
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: common sales tactic and he's using it to seem friendly
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and mislead me. This kind of thing and how salespeople
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: use it to manipulate you is discussed in Chapter 8
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: of Robert Cialdini's book. The point being is that he's
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: trying to create an unfair advantage by removing information about
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: himself because I have no idea who he is, Meanwhile,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: he knows who I am because he watched my video.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: But do you know what an honest message request would
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: sound like? A message that I might actually respond to?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: If he came in with something like, Hi, I'm a
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: friend of Illymation and I watched your recent video on her.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: She asked me my opinion on the video because I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: have a kinesiology degree, so I have some questions about
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: your comments on fitness. Could you clarify your position on
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the effect that diet has on exercise performance? By reading
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: this message, I have a much more clear understanding of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: who this person is. I know he's biased towards Illymation.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I know he probably disagrees with me, and I have
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: been given information on what he specifically wants to know.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Now I can determine if this is something worth responding to,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and in this context, I probably would have responded because
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: now it's not some random commenter, and at this point
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: in the timeline, Alyssa did not have a reputation for
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: being a bad actor, so Dylan would be assumed innocent
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: by association. The thread finishes off with, Anyways, AtTBY's tweet
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: is a clown who should not be taken seriously in
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: any capacity. And if you or someone you know watches
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: this type of content in sincerity, it is time for
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: some honest introspection. Real strong on those ad homs, buddy.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Do you have any actual arguments that aren't just name-calling
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: or strawmans? Let's take a look. Somebody commented, Can you
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: give a specific example of him being misogynistic? He basically
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: responds by saying no, but he feels my content is
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: misogynistic because I criticize overweight women. Well, I've also criticized
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: overweight men. A lot. You would know that if you
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: actually watched the content. Then Mr. Don't make assumptions about
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: people and don't judge a book by its cover reposts
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a bunch of videos that he didn't watch and assumes
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: what's inside of them. And I know he didn't watch
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: these videos because I made a response thread to his
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: thread where he justified why he shouldn't have to watch them. Also,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: did you guys notice that he backpedals on his claim
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: here of outright calling me a misogynist and moves on
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: towards saying my channel is just a cause for alarm? No, buddy.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: You directly called me a misogynist, reported a number of
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: things that I didn't actually say, and essentially assisted Alyssa
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: into trying to get me a channel strike or get
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: me deplatformed. Let's do one more comment. This guy is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: questioning how recently Dylan got his degree. Dylan says, It
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: kind of sounds like you haven't been involved with a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: field since you graduated over six years ago. And considering
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that you're an editor slash let's player, it doesn't look
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: like you've worked in fitness either. There's a difference between
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: getting a degree with a report card full of C's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and getting a degree where you graduated with honors and
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: continued to study the field after school. Most of the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: information that I know about exercise science or kinesiology was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: learned after I graduated. All my degree did was teach
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: me the basics. So if you just got a degree
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and moved on to something else for six years, then
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you might not exactly be knowledgeable in that field. I mean,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: let's be honest, how many college students can still pass
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: their finals test two weeks after they take it? Anyway,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that's the latest update on this drama. I thought I
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: would use it to point out a bunch of very
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: dishonest tactics that people such as Dylan use to get
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: people to agree with them, so feel free to take
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: this knowledge and use it to point out when someone
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: is not actually responding to real arguments that you made,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and instead, is using a bunch of sophistry to get
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: people to hate the person that he disagrees with. But
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: thanks for watching, follow me on Twitter, and I'll see
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you in the next video.