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Killers Amongst Us: Florida's missing Jennifer Kesse showered and dressed for work, then vanished (part 1) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here welcome back to Killers. Amongst
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  Speaker 1: us the production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. I
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  Speaker 1: think about Jennifer Kessie so often, long blonde hair, big
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  Speaker 1: blue eyes, the world in front of her, just starting
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  Speaker 1: out in her professional life. And I also think about
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  Speaker 1: her parents, because her parents, Drew and Joy, spent their
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  Speaker 1: whole life working to make a living to support Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: and her brother, the entire family pouring all their love,
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  Speaker 1: their hopes, their dreams, their money, their attention. Oh, think
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  Speaker 1: about it. You know the little games, the girl scows,
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  Speaker 1: the cookies, the this, the that, the tooth fairy, the braces,
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  Speaker 1: that goes on and on and on, and it's they're
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  Speaker 1: not chores. They're not chores at all. They are the
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  Speaker 1: things you do for love, and to this day they
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  Speaker 1: are still doing it for love, searching for their beautiful girl.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to Jennifer Kessie, it's Cassie. What more can
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  Speaker 1: you tell me about? What time? If you know that
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  Speaker 1: she would contact her boyfriend in the morning, Well, jen
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  Speaker 1: typically left for work between seven thirty and eight in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, and it was her habit to call Rob
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  Speaker 1: when she got in her car. So as she got
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  Speaker 1: in her car and was driving to work is when
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  Speaker 1: she would make that good morning call. And as we know,
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  Speaker 1: Rob never received that call. Drew tell me the condition
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  Speaker 1: of her apartment. Her condition, It was obviously brand new,
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  Speaker 1: she had just purchased. I mean that morning, what did
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  Speaker 1: it look like? Had she made her hair or what? No? No,
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  Speaker 1: it looked like she slept in her bed. She had
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  Speaker 1: two or three outfits laid out on the bed as
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  Speaker 1: if she was choosing an outfit to wear. She as
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  Speaker 1: was stated, the bathroom looked like someone got ready to
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  Speaker 1: go to work. The rest of the condo was just
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  Speaker 1: perfect data honestly looked like a maid came through, right
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  Speaker 1: down to a full setting, four pe setting table setting
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  Speaker 1: on her dining room table. You are hearing me speaking
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  Speaker 1: with Drew and Joyce Cassie on h L in the
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  Speaker 1: search for Jennifer. There girl goes on with me. Ray Kaputo,
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  Speaker 1: lead news anchor Orlando's Morning News ninety six point five
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  Speaker 1: WDBO Doctor Daniel Bober renowned forensics psychiatrist at Doctor Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Bober on Instagram, Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University and author
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  Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Johnson with me, owner IESP Investigations, Crime Scene Commander
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  Speaker 1: Chicago Metro, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of red Flags
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  Speaker 1: at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com had special guests joining me,
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  Speaker 1: Drew and Joyce Kessie, Jennifer's mom and dad. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to this our friends at CBS. By January two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six, twenty four year old Jennifer seemed to
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  Speaker 1: have everything going for her. She had bought a brand
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  Speaker 1: new condo in Orlando, She'd been promoted at work, and
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  Speaker 1: there was a new man in her life. She was intelligent,
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  Speaker 1: she was captivating. She had a sense of huma. One
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  Speaker 1: of the first conversations we had ended up being like
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  Speaker 1: five hours. Rob Allen, a thirty two year old Englishman,
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  Speaker 1: lived two and a half hours away in Fort Lauderdale.
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  Speaker 1: The couple had been dating for a year and saw
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  Speaker 1: each other every other weekend. I mean we would communicate
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  Speaker 1: full five, six, seven times a day, every day. She
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  Speaker 1: became blonde best friend. In January two thousand and six, Rob,
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  Speaker 1: then Jennifer took a vacation to Saint Croix. It was
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  Speaker 1: just perfect, a lot of cocktails, a lot of sun,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of beach in We had an awesome time.
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  Speaker 1: We joked we should just stay there and just not
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  Speaker 1: come back to the real world. But the real world
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  Speaker 1: was about to intervene. I go back over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over the facts to start at the beginning. What
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  Speaker 1: happened to day Jennifer went missing? Listen. The first clue
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  Speaker 1: something was wrong came the next morning. Jennifer failed to
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  Speaker 1: show up for a meeting at work. Her co workers
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  Speaker 1: at Westgate Resorts couldn't reach her on her cell phone
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  Speaker 1: or at home, so they called her parents. I got
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  Speaker 1: the phone call from her employer that she had not
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  Speaker 1: shown up. Was there a family emergency? I immediately panicked
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  Speaker 1: because Jenn's cell phone has never been turned off. Joyce
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  Speaker 1: called the manager of Jen's apartment complex. He went to
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  Speaker 1: her unit. Jennifer wasn't there, neither was her car. I
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  Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, Oh my god, this
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  Speaker 1: can't be happening. My mother called me crying. I was hysterical.
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  Speaker 1: She said, Jenesis, I'm like, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Who goes? She hasn't shutting off for work? Drew, Cassie,
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  Speaker 1: you get the news that Jennifer did not report to work.
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  Speaker 1: You tell me that you immediately jump in the car
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  Speaker 1: and drive our plus to get to her condo. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when I was speaking to you earlier, I said, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to hear about the condo being new. Just
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  Speaker 1: tell me about the scene itself. But I do want
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  Speaker 1: to hear now about the condo on the outside, the layout,
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  Speaker 1: the gate if there was one, tell me everything. Is
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  Speaker 1: you approach that condo jumping out of the car, What
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  Speaker 1: did you see? Take me inside them outside in her condo? Sure?
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  Speaker 1: Will you approach the condo complex? Everything was normal to us.
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  Speaker 1: We got up to the guard gate, and we got
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  Speaker 1: let in quite quite quickly. They really don't take a
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  Speaker 1: lot of implements. Okay, whoa right there, right there, right there?
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on guard gate? If you live there?
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  Speaker 1: Did you have a key to get in? Would the
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  Speaker 1: guard be there? Twenty four seven? If you didn't live there,
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  Speaker 1: Did you have to identify yourself who you were, who
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  Speaker 1: you were coming to see? Would they let anybody come
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  Speaker 1: in that drove up? And could you walk in without
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  Speaker 1: being stopped for I d that's a lot of questions,
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  Speaker 1: But could you answer those dreams? Yes to all the above,
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  Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, when it ended up. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well there was a guard gate. Now I have to
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  Speaker 1: review my own questions. Wait, okay, there, yes, the guard gate.
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  Speaker 1: Wait write it down for me. Sure, okay, there is
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  Speaker 1: a guard gate with a live guard there, as well
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  Speaker 1: as a gate that anyone who had a pass key
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  Speaker 1: who lived there could come through on the right side.
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  Speaker 1: If you didn't live there, you had to stop at
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  Speaker 1: the guard gate and give your name where you were
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  Speaker 1: going to, and they take your license plate. As we
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  Speaker 1: found out through receiving those records, the guards could not
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  Speaker 1: spell a name, did not take down a plate properly.
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  Speaker 1: They were actually useless in the end for our use
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  Speaker 1: and for law enforcements. U Ja, are you telling me
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  Speaker 1: that someone could walk in my foot and not? The
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  Speaker 1: question is due identity? Correct. At the guard gate, there
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  Speaker 1: was a sidewalk that led up to a gate and
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  Speaker 1: you could walk through the gate. It was done. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: anyone who wanted to get on the premises got on
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  Speaker 1: the premises. As soon as Jennifer was gone, her friends
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  Speaker 1: converged on the premises and there was just no question.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone could get in. Any worker could get in, any
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  Speaker 1: subcontractor could get in. They just had to stop. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't matter if they gave the right name, correct name
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  Speaker 1: or anything. You know, that is very easy with That's
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  Speaker 1: a big problem to Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert way in, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because you've got a multitude of people that have access,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, we have to think back. There's all
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  Speaker 1: of this construction that's going on around this site. There's
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  Speaker 1: also a busy mall area shopping area that's immediately adjacent
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  Speaker 1: to this. So any John Q public that's just passing by,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's just out of curiosity, Hey I want
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  Speaker 1: to go take a look at these condos, or somebody
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  Speaker 1: that's got more sinister motives can say, hey, I want
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  Speaker 1: to go look in these condos and see what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: They can use this as a point of entry Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: and there's no control, there's no control over the access
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  Speaker 1: to this area, and so it doubles the difficulty in
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  Speaker 1: attempting to kind of whittle this down as to who
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  Speaker 1: may have had contact with her. Jennifer was very habitual
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  Speaker 1: and didn't you know, didn't do things out of the ordinary.
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  Speaker 1: She left for work between seven thirty and eight in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. It was like clock blind. Jen was kind
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  Speaker 1: of like my human alarm clock, because she'd always call
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  Speaker 1: me or text me in the morning and just say, hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: I have a great day. She called them every day.
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  Speaker 1: They talked. She talked to her mom, she talked to
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  Speaker 1: her brother, she talked to her boyfriend. I never got
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  Speaker 1: a text from her, phone call from her. We had
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  Speaker 1: started the work day, but after about a half an
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  Speaker 1: hour and then an hour, we started wondering, where's Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: When they called her phone went directly to voice now.
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  Speaker 1: We waited another half hour or so and placed a
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  Speaker 1: phone call see Jennifer's dad. And when we had gotten
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  Speaker 1: a phone call that she didn't show up for work,
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  Speaker 1: he was rying. You know, she was extremely emotional, letting hey,
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  Speaker 1: Jen's on answering. She gave me the whole rundown. She
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  Speaker 1: didn't show up to works, not answering her phone. I
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  Speaker 1: got confirmation from a family that indeed she'd never showed
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  Speaker 1: up to work and she was missing. On a circle
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  Speaker 1: back to the scene. When you walked up, was the
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  Speaker 1: door locked? Unline? Once you get through the gate, there's
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  Speaker 1: many I guess there was probably a dozen three story
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  Speaker 1: buildings scattered about on a property. In front of Jennifer's
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  Speaker 1: condo was a good sized fountain lake that faced the
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  Speaker 1: main road, and straight across, almost straight across the street
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  Speaker 1: was the Mall of Millennia. She lived on a second floor,
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  Speaker 1: just absolutely a beautiful condo. In fact, Joyce and I said,
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  Speaker 1: we'd like to see you here, right here, and she agreed,
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  Speaker 1: And it was her first home that she purchased. The
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  Speaker 1: outside of the building gray in color. It had exterior
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  Speaker 1: porches for each unit, and it had stairwells that went
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  Speaker 1: up the second floor and third floor. Within they were
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  Speaker 1: covered stairwells. So where Jennifer her parking space was in
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  Speaker 1: the back of her condo on the other side of
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  Speaker 1: Soda say the fountain lake, and her parking spot was
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  Speaker 1: identified with her condo number, which we have come to
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  Speaker 1: learn is pretty bad. But she was straight away from
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  Speaker 1: the staircase. She would literally come out of her cargo
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  Speaker 1: probably I don't know, twenty yards to the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: the staircase of her condo, go straight up one flight
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  Speaker 1: of steps beyond her floor, have to walk across the
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  Speaker 1: entire condo with to get to her condo. The door.
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  Speaker 1: The door was totally locked. Okay, so it was locked.
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  Speaker 1: Does it a lot from the inside or from the outside?
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  Speaker 1: From from the outside, so it's not as if she
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  Speaker 1: had been inside and turned a dead boat. It was
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  Speaker 1: as if she had left and locked it as she left.
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  Speaker 1: Is that correct? Well, the dead boat would have been
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  Speaker 1: a key also, so so was it a lot from
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  Speaker 1: the inside or the outside or but could it have
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  Speaker 1: been either? We believe it's both the door as well
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  Speaker 1: as the dead because to us, she got ready for work,
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  Speaker 1: walked out her door, and proceeded to her car with me.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer's mom, Joyce, Kessie Joyce, did you drive with Drew
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  Speaker 1: to the condo? Yes, we drove together. Okay, when you
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  Speaker 1: got there, what were your observations of inside her home?
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  Speaker 1: Inside the home was Jen's suitcase right in the foyer
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  Speaker 1: and her mace on the little table she had in
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  Speaker 1: the foyer, and the rest of the place was Christine saved.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that Jennifer's a huge bathroom pick when she
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  Speaker 1: gets dressed in the morning, so she had step scattered everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: things on the floor, her bed, She had several outfits
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  Speaker 1: as if she was trying to decide what to where today.
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  Speaker 1: Was that her emo, which she normally do. That. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that was Jen's routine, so it's not as if someone
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  Speaker 1: had rifle through her closet. You could tell that she
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  Speaker 1: was there that morning. She had been on the trip
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  Speaker 1: with her boyfriend, the tropical trip, came home, made it
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  Speaker 1: back to her condo, and apparently was up that morning
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  Speaker 1: because she was laying out close. Now would she have
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  Speaker 1: laid those out the night before? They were on her
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  Speaker 1: bed though, which means it had to be that morning.
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  Speaker 1: She wouldn't have slept with him on her bed from
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  Speaker 1: the night before. I'm trying to get a good timeline,
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  Speaker 1: so you believe she laid the clothes out that morning
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  Speaker 1: getting ready for work exactly because I was unmade. What
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  Speaker 1: if anything did you notice in her bathroom? Well, the
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  Speaker 1: first thing when you walked in the bathroom was oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, what a mess. But it was typical Jen.
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  Speaker 1: She's just a messy, messy Jen when she gets ready.
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  Speaker 1: The next significant thing is when we pulled the shower
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  Speaker 1: curtain back in the corners of the shower, where you know,
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  Speaker 1: normally you would put your shower, your shampoo or conditioner.
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  Speaker 1: It was there was some water in the corners that
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  Speaker 1: told us that she showered them drew, then went into
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  Speaker 1: her laundry room and draped over the washing machine was
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  Speaker 1: a damp towel, and she put the towel. She thought
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  Speaker 1: to put the damp towel there. That tells me that
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  Speaker 1: Jen got ready in the morning. She clearly was not
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  Speaker 1: in any threat underneath threat at the time. She took
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  Speaker 1: a shower, and she walked as far as the laundry
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  Speaker 1: area placed the damp towel there. Did you notice any
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  Speaker 1: of her clothes missing? The most significant thing that I
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  Speaker 1: noticed missing was Jen was very proud of her brown
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  Speaker 1: alligator high heeled shoes that she had recently part they
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  Speaker 1: were missing. Now it's interesting, Nancy. It's the articles of
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  Speaker 1: clothing that were on her beds were beiges and blacks,
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  Speaker 1: so she would have worn those brown shoes and they
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  Speaker 1: were not in her closet. I'm trying to I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to take in in and just to what you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, all the red flags,
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  Speaker 1: every detail matters. The fact that those I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: this as long as I've been working on Jennifer's case,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know or remember the fact that those particular
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  Speaker 1: shoes were missing. It would be as if you came
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  Speaker 1: to my place and nobody could find my old dam
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  Speaker 1: post boots, cowboy boots that don't wear every single day.
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  Speaker 1: That would be a big indicator. Wendy Patrick. A detail
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  Speaker 1: like this is huge. It's powerful evidence, Nancy. But particularly
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  Speaker 1: if somebody knows you well, they would know about your
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  Speaker 1: cowboy boots. If somebody knows her well, they would also
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  Speaker 1: know about those new alligator shoes. And that's how we
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  Speaker 1: narrow down suspect pools. Even so many years after the fact.
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  Speaker 1: We never want to let a case grow cold where
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  Speaker 1: new evidence and new tips like this are consistently available,
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  Speaker 1: and it will help us to go back, even many
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  Speaker 1: years after the fact, to try to figure out why
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  Speaker 1: would those be missing if they didn't fit what she
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  Speaker 1: wore to work? How would somebody know where they were
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  Speaker 1: if somebody wanted to take them. Did she take them
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  Speaker 1: because she had plans to change and go somewhere after work?
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  Speaker 1: These details just go to juries. But now in cases
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  Speaker 1: like this that are still unsolved, helps us solve them.
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  Speaker 1: You know that leaves me to this thought, Joyce, Cassie,
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  Speaker 1: I had always in the back of my mind thought
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  Speaker 1: someone got into her condo, attacked her and killed her.
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  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that. I think she left her
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  Speaker 1: condo based on what Drew was telling me about the
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  Speaker 1: front door, that it appears as if she locked it
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  Speaker 1: and left, and the fact mostly about those shoes. I
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  Speaker 1: think she left the home that morning. Joyce, Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: definitely believe so, because Jennifer was never ever someone who
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  Speaker 1: took a shower at night, unless, of course she was
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  Speaker 1: going out with friends. But her that was not her
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  Speaker 1: habit to shower for the next day. She was a
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  Speaker 1: morning shower, you know what. And that is what we
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  Speaker 1: call behavioral evidence, evidence of routine, Doctor Daniel bober forensic psychiatrists.
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  Speaker 1: If mom says she never takes a shower at night,
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  Speaker 1: then you can count on that is a fact. I
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  Speaker 1: know for a fact my twins always take a shower
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  Speaker 1: at night because I do not want them to get
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  Speaker 1: into the bed filthy and sweaty as they are after
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  Speaker 1: a day at school and playing. I know that, I
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  Speaker 1: know they do not take a shower in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: So that's something that only mommy would really know, doctor Bobera.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, Joyce Kessie's right on this absolutely, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm also a child psychiatrist in addition to
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  Speaker 1: a forensic psychiatrist, and I always say moms know best
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  Speaker 1: when I need the history on a child, the person
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  Speaker 1: that I get the most information from the most reliable
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  Speaker 1: in terms of behavioral patterns and little details like that,
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  Speaker 1: only moms really know. Drew Enjoys Kessie know that they
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  Speaker 1: may never see their daughter alive again, but that hasn't
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  Speaker 1: stopped them from pushing to find her. Posters for Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: Kessie are scattered all over Central Florida. We asked the public,
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  Speaker 1: please stick with us, Please believe in us, believe in Jennifer.
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  Speaker 1: We'll never stop looking for Jennifer. I was working tonight
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  Speaker 1: she went missing. I remembered to talking to Drew on
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  Speaker 1: the phone, and I remember hearing the voice of a
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  Speaker 1: very concerned and upset father, and I'll never forget it.
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  Speaker 1: The twenty four year old went missing back in January
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  Speaker 1: of two thousand and six when she never showed up
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  Speaker 1: for work. Dude Ray Kaputo joining US lead K News
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  Speaker 1: anchor or Orlando's Morning News ninety six point five to
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  Speaker 1: w DBO right at the time. Do you recall when
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer's story first hit the knees, Oh, absolutely, Nancy. You know,
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  Speaker 1: first off, Jennifer is an attractive young girl. Her picture
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  Speaker 1: is plastered up. She has this desperate family, so very
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  Speaker 1: quickly we started hearing about this on the news. Now
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  Speaker 1: they were they started handing out pictures and flyers of Jennifer.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, when you see a young woman like
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  Speaker 1: her go missing, it is a desperate situation because your
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  Speaker 1: first thoughts are, did somebody abductor you know, like her
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  Speaker 1: parents are saying now because of sex, sex trafficking, pick
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  Speaker 1: her up off the street, So you worry about that.
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  Speaker 1: But it was a big news story, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: kind of cut through a lot of the news that
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  Speaker 1: I was seeing around the time, and mainly because she's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a smart UCF grad, you know, a pretty
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  Speaker 1: young girl. And immediately you're worrying that this is probably
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: not going to end well if they don't find this
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: young woman very quickly. Bruce Johnson with me on her
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: IESP investigations. There is a big difference in someone being
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: attacked in their home and someone being kidnapped outside of
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: their home. Because outside of the home you're gonna have
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: a lot less fingerprints, a lot less evidence that you
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: can actually find in the home. You're gonna find fiber
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: or fingerprints, evidence of a struggle. If somebody disappears outside,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to find evidence. Bruce, Absolutely, it is.
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  Speaker 1: You know again back then in two thousand and six
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that they have cameras in that parking lot. We haven't
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: seen anything of that nature. So I don't think that
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: there were but a couple of things I want to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: go over, and I would like to ask Joyce if
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: she knew were you were talking about her routine. So
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: we have let's say inside suspects and outside suspects. Inside
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: suspects would be the guards would be the day workers
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  Speaker 1: and all your construction workers. You're outside people would be
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: mall people and people that are coming in going on
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  Speaker 1: a route on a you know, not a routine basis,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: but sporadically. So for Joyce, I would want to know
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: her routine. Did she come home, you know, and go
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: to the pool every day? Did she come home and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: change and go work out? Did she come home and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: change and go jogging? Those things would come into play
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: for the day workers working every day, seeing her at
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the pool every day. Knowing that she goes jogging every day.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: She comes home at at at five o'clock every night,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: she goes to dinner at six. That would help focus
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: if people on site we're watching her. So far, we've
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: managed to review what we know at this juncture and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: determined that there was no sign of a struggle. There
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: was no sign of forced entry. It looked as if
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Jennifer had gotten up. Her suitcases were still in the
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: entrance area of her home from the trip she'd just
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: come back from, gotten up, gotten ready for work, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: left wearing those special shoes that were her favorites. But
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: is there a secondary crime? Saying list immediate thing you
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: have to consider is maybe she was on her way
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: to work, or she was out away from her apartment
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and something could have happened to her. Her car is missing.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Her family says she's missing. She's not been to work.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: She drove a black Chevy Malibu. It had been all
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: over TV for two days now. In Florida, we have
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a number of bodies of water. We have all kinds
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: of different places where cars can break down. Yeah, this
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: is millennium all right here. Tips came in. Yeah, we
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: think we see it over here, We think we see
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: it over there. Tuesday is when she disappears. When was
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: her car phone? Thursday morning, a neighbor who lived at
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Huntington on the Green saw the news report the hinting
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: on the Green apartment complex. It's about a mile or
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: so east of Jennifer's apartment. The complex was yeah, it's
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: it's it's rougher. Come to find out a lot of
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: crime in the area. We went out to the apartment
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: complex and found Jennifer's car parked at the complex. Now
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: we're talking about a whole new avenue of investigation. Is
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: their hope of finding Jennifer Kesse. We need those continued
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: tips to be called in, and in fact, if you've
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: called the tip in in the last twelve years and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you don't think it's been worked quality again, please please
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: do that for us. Nancy Grace Killers amongst us, signing off,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,