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Murdaugh Murders Revisited in New Hulu Series · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't he go away?
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Speaker 1: A convicted double killer? Who else could it be Alex Murdog?
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Speaker 1: Believe it or not? In the Last Days, it's announced
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Speaker 1: that an a lister is making a shocking transformation to
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Speaker 1: turn himself into the double killer Alex Murdog. I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: That's right, an acclaimed actor seemingly unrecognizable as he turns
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Speaker 1: himself into family annihilator Alex and Murdog. It's for Hulu
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Speaker 1: and their upcoming miniseries The Murdog Murders. Somewhere deep in
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Speaker 1: the heart of Atlanta, Georgia, there's a set with Murdog's
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Speaker 1: bright they say blonde hair. It actually was kind of
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Speaker 1: red turned blonde. He's dressed exactly as Murdog in his
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Speaker 1: go to outfit Kaki trousers, a button up and a
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Speaker 1: tie usually untucked. We also know that Patricia Arkett is
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Speaker 1: going to play Murdog's murdered wife, Maggie, as the stars
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Speaker 1: Patricia Arquette and Jason Clark are set to make a
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Speaker 1: mint on this along with Hulu. Let's have a little
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Speaker 1: reality check about what really happened.
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Speaker 2: Fitz News is reporting sources close to the investigation say
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Speaker 2: that physical forensic evidence directly ties Alex Murdad to the
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Speaker 2: double homicide. Fitz News sighting sources close to the investigation
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Speaker 2: claims Alex Murdau is the only person identified as a
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Speaker 2: person of interest. On June seventh, twenty twenty one, Alex
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Speaker 2: Murdad called nine one one round ten oh seven pm
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Speaker 2: to report that he had found the bodies of his
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Speaker 2: fifty two year old wife, Maggie and twenty two year
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Speaker 2: old son Paul. Fitznows claims Maggie murdadt was shot and
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Speaker 2: killed by a semi automatic rifle around the same time
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Speaker 2: as her son.
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Speaker 3: Was with us an all star panel to make sense
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Speaker 3: of what we know right now. High profile lawyer out
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Speaker 3: of LA Troy Slayton, forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior
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Speaker 3: and Where Law on Psychology, intersect doctor Sherry Schwartz, Professor forensics,
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Speaker 3: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 3: and star of a unit series Body Bags, with Joseph
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Speaker 3: Scott Morgan joining us but straight out to Dave matt
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Speaker 3: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: Dave, I mean, I don't know that.
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Speaker 3: I need a forensics expert to tell me there's gonna
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Speaker 3: be evidence linking Alec Murdog to the dead bodies of
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Speaker 3: his wife and his son. And I'll tell you why, Dave.
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Speaker 3: We've talked about it several times off air. You have him,
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Speaker 3: Alec Murdog, then arranging a hit on himself. Remember that
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Speaker 3: when he's found bleeding from the head out on a
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Speaker 3: rural road. Nothing he said made any sense about changing
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Speaker 3: his tire, and then he said some guys came along
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Speaker 3: and took a shot at him. Turns out his dope
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Speaker 3: dealer was paid to shoot him in the head.
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Speaker 1: Now think about it. Think about it, Dave Mack.
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Speaker 3: This is just weeks after his wife and son are
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Speaker 3: shot in the head execution style.
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Speaker 1: Wow, I wonder who orchestrated that. So you're telling me, Dave.
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Speaker 3: Matt that there are reports not of just deduction such
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Speaker 3: as what I just did two and two weekals four,
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Speaker 3: but actual physical forensic evidence linking Alec Murdoch to the
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Speaker 3: double murder.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Nancy, here's what we've got. At least one of
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Speaker 2: the weapons used in the double homicide of Maggie and
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Speaker 2: Paul murdaf belonged to the murdav family. We've got deputies
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Speaker 2: finding shellcasings at the scene that they're obviously matching to
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Speaker 2: at least one of the guns, but two different guns
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Speaker 2: were supposedly used. One was a semi automatic rifle. We've
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Speaker 2: got agents on the scene at that are searching a river,
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Speaker 2: the salka Hacke River swampy area, approximately two miles south
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Speaker 2: of Mozelle, that are getting more evidence. And we've got
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Speaker 2: again this evidence that ties all of this together. Maggie
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Speaker 2: Murdaw's cell phone is found along the rural South Carolina
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Speaker 2: road just outside the family seventeen hundred acre hunting lodge
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Speaker 2: the day after the murder. All of that put together
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Speaker 2: is what we're dealing with in terms of physical evidence.
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Speaker 3: So you're saying that from those items and whatever they've
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Speaker 3: dredged up out of the Sakaatchie, you're saying that it's
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Speaker 3: your belief that on those items is the physical evidence
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Speaker 3: they're talking about. And not only that, not only that way,
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Speaker 3: what about a potential gunshot residu test they may have
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Speaker 3: done on Alex Murdogg at the time he found his
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Speaker 3: dead wife and son and did you mention that they
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Speaker 3: towed the company vehicle that night and processed it. Did
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Speaker 3: you say that, Dave mack.
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Speaker 2: I am now that they actually did impound It was
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Speaker 2: a twenty twenty one Chevy Suburban that was registered to
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Speaker 2: the Murdall Law firm. And all of this is being
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Speaker 2: reported through Fitz News. That's where we're getting this information.
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Speaker 2: Nancy law enforcement on the scene that night collected all
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Speaker 2: of this evidence that we know how this works out
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Speaker 2: from a ballistic standpoint to the residue test. The police
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Speaker 2: are playing this so close to the vest, but we're
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Speaker 2: getting enough information to be able to tie it together
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Speaker 2: to see these links are all pointing back to Alex Murdau.
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Speaker 3: Guys, I want you to take a listen to Alex
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Speaker 3: Murdogg's nine to one one call our cut twenty five.
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Speaker 4: Now when we'll win your emergency.
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Speaker 5: Forty one forty seven mosaille roads. I think the collations
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Speaker 5: my wife and chop.
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Speaker 6: Okay, you said.
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Speaker 5: Forty one forty seven rode alosin, Sir, you said forty one.
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Speaker 2: Forty seven Mozel rode inlogin.
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Speaker 7: Yes, sir, forty one forty road.
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Speaker 5: Stay on the line with yes, thirsday on the line.
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Speaker 7: With me.
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Speaker 6: Okay, it's a little conic communication, Colston.
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Speaker 5: I have an Alex Murdoch on the line.
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Speaker 1: Calling from forty one forty seven roll.
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Speaker 2: He's advising that his wife and.
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Speaker 1: Child was shot.
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Speaker 6: Okay, and so again, what is forty.
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Speaker 7: One forty seven?
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Speaker 5: Moselle wrote, I've been up to.
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Speaker 6: It now it's bath okay, okay? And are they breathing?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 5: Mariam okay?
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Speaker 6: And he said it's your wife and your son. I
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Speaker 6: fan my phn.
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Speaker 5: No man own ground out of my.
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Speaker 1: Kennel, Jackie.
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Speaker 3: Do they have the death penalty in South Carolina? I'm
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Speaker 3: pretty sure that they do.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer joining me out of la Hey.
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Speaker 3: We tried to give Alex murdog the benefit of the doubt.
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, you tried.
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Speaker 3: But now that I know, as I suspected, long suspected,
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Speaker 3: he is the one that finds the dead bodies. He
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Speaker 3: is the one that owns the residents where they're found.
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Speaker 3: He's the one uh looking at a big fat, juicy
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Speaker 3: divorce from a wife who is likely to uncover during
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Speaker 3: her discovery process, her legal discovery process, that he has
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Speaker 3: been embezzling money from all of his clients and sniffing.
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Speaker 1: It up his for years. It's all going to come
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Speaker 1: out in her divorce. And they are murdog guns. We
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Speaker 1: learned that on day one.
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Speaker 3: A source told us day one that at least one
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Speaker 3: of the guns was a murdog gun.
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Speaker 1: All right, so what more do I need to know?
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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake?
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Speaker 3: Then he stages his own suicide botched, I might add,
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Speaker 3: and lies through his teeth about it until we find
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Speaker 3: out his doper friend is the one that grazed his head.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's lying about everything.
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Speaker 3: Remember, even his lawyer came out and actually said he
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Speaker 3: had brain damage.
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Speaker 1: He showed up in court the next week. He didn't
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Speaker 1: even have on does he have on a band aid?
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Speaker 1: That's some brain injury Troy Slayton. I mean, what more
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Speaker 1: do you need to know?
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Speaker 3: This man is lied about everything, and he's the one
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Speaker 3: that faces a pecuniary Jane money Jane with the death
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Speaker 3: of his wife and so and now we have Dave
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Speaker 3: mac telling us that reports are Alex Murdoch is linked
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Speaker 3: forensically physical Levens. I'm talking about fingerprints DNA to the
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Speaker 3: double murders. And now when I listen to that nine
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Speaker 3: one one call. I mean, I'm taking that with a
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Speaker 3: box of assault. Troy Slayton.
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Speaker 4: Well, we're being told that the evidence is substantial, that
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Speaker 4: it's serious, but we don't know exactly what that physical
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Speaker 4: evidence connection is yet. To Alex Murdoch, what's interesting is
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Speaker 4: that a different gun was used in each one of
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Speaker 4: the murders at the time of that double homicide that
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Speaker 4: happened at the same time. Why would somebody, why would
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Speaker 4: one individual use two different guns on two people at
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Speaker 4: the same time. It doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 3: Well, it may not make sense, but does it make
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Speaker 3: sense to murder your wife and son? Does that make
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Speaker 3: sense to you? Chroy Slayton. Criminals do all sorts of
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Speaker 3: crazy things. It's not up to a prosecutor to lurk
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Speaker 3: around inside a killer's mind and figure out why.
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Speaker 4: But things have to make sense. And the problem that
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Speaker 4: the prosecutors have here is they could just confuse the jury.
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Speaker 4: They're charging him right now with fifty one counts. That
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Speaker 4: means fifty one separate crimes and fifty one sets of
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Speaker 4: elements that a jury would have to go through to
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Speaker 4: try and candidate right.
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Speaker 3: Don't cut it yet, Troy Slaton. The current charges relate
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Speaker 3: to what the fifty one counts you're referring to, refer.
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Speaker 4: To possible embezzlement and misappropriation of funds from his grandfather
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Speaker 4: and great grandfather and father's law firms that was set
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Speaker 4: up for one hundred years and.
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Speaker 3: Clients and clients who are now finding out that he apparently,
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Speaker 3: Dave Mac is there. I reported he embezzle funds from
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Speaker 3: a client that was paraplegic and brain.
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Speaker 2: Dam Actually, he was a young man who was death
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Speaker 2: who was in a car accident with his mother and
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Speaker 2: another friend who he The accident left him as a
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Speaker 2: paraplegic and in a home, and Murdau is alleged to
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Speaker 2: have taken all of the money over three hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars that was due for the death paraplegic man's family,
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Speaker 2: as well as the money from his the man's mother
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Speaker 2: and the other person in the car hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 2: of dollars intended to go to this family.
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Speaker 1: That was a little TMI, but I'll take it. You
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Speaker 1: can never know enough facts, Dave Mac. But what you
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Speaker 1: told me actually just made me feel a little nauseous.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. Not only is there a
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Speaker 1: major TV streaming series set to go to air. Regarding
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch. Oh, He's made a bombshell new bid for freedom.
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Speaker 1: What is that? He's filed an appeal. The one time
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Speaker 1: socialite ruling the entire area there in South Carolina got
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Speaker 1: two life sentences without parole for the murders of Paul
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Speaker 1: and Maggie. It was a jury of seven men, five women.
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Speaker 1: They spent less than three hours deliberating. I know, I
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Speaker 1: saw them go out and I saw them come back in.
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Speaker 1: But the convicted killer in his legal team filed a
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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty one page appeal document with the
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Speaker 1: South Carolina Supreme Court outlining arguments that support Murdoch's freedom
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Speaker 1: and that his conviction should be thrown out, Mostly centered
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Speaker 1: around claims of jury tampering by the former Clerk of
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Speaker 1: Court for Carleton County, Becky Hill. She resigned. There was
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Speaker 1: a big brujaja regarding a book deal an alleged comments
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Speaker 1: she made to jurors suggesting, according to the defense, that
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Speaker 1: he was gilt. Did it really sway the jurors? Hmm,
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Speaker 1: no pun intended, But the jury's out on that, needless
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Speaker 1: to say. Could it be grounds for a new trial.
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, Murdog is making the big screen, or
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Speaker 1: let me say the little screen, because it is Hulu.
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Speaker 1: It's streaming on your TV. But reality check what really
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Speaker 1: happened to Maggie and Paul?
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Speaker 3: Direct physical evidence? Direct evidence is like an eyewitness, DNA
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Speaker 3: fingerprimpt Okay. Circumstantial evidence is you are at the scene
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Speaker 3: of the crime. You're the one that reported the murders,
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Speaker 3: You're the one that has a motive. Your glove was
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Speaker 3: found there on the scene. That doesn't a murder make.
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Speaker 3: So that's what we know right now. And with that
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Speaker 3: as a backdrop, Joe Scott Morgan and doctor Sherry Schwartz,
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Speaker 3: I want you to take a listen to more of
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Speaker 3: Alex Murdogg's nine one one call when he seemingly found
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Speaker 3: his wife and son Paul dead, shot dead behind his
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Speaker 3: hunting lodge with a murdog gun. Take a listen to
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Speaker 3: our cut twenty six.
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Speaker 6: Did you some one okay?
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Speaker 1: Is he breeding it all?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 6: No one okay? Anyone in the area, No, ma'am, No, ma'am.
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Speaker 6: That colors your house on the outside? What color is
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Speaker 6: your house on the outside?
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Speaker 7: What you can't see it from the road?
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Speaker 6: Okay. Is it a house or a home? It's the house, okay.
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Speaker 6: And what is your name? My name is Alex Murdoch. Okay.
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Speaker 6: And did you hear anything or did you come home
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Speaker 6: and find them?
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Speaker 5: I've been going I just give that. No, ma'am.
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Speaker 6: We're getting somebody.
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Speaker 1: Out there to you, okay when you listen to that.
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Speaker 1: Knowing what we now know? What what I'd like to know?
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Speaker 3: And I asked this on day one to you, Joseph
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Speaker 3: Scott Morgan, death investigator, a forensics expert.
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Speaker 1: How could they pluck what time? What's my time window
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Speaker 1: for the time of death? And that's so important because
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdock said that he was at the hospital seeing
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Speaker 1: his sick father, who passed away a few days later.
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Speaker 3: I need to know what time he was there, the
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Speaker 3: drive time between the hospital and the hunting lodge.
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Speaker 1: And the time of death.
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Speaker 3: How do I know Maggie and Paul weren't shot three
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Speaker 3: hours before he went to the hospital. How do I
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Speaker 3: know they weren't shot just before he called nine to
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Speaker 3: one one, placing him virtually at the scene of the
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Speaker 3: crime at the time the murders occurred. The time of
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Speaker 3: death is crucial, It's critical what about it, Joe Scott, Yeah.
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Speaker 8: We might you might not know. We might not know,
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Speaker 8: but slid does. When they showed up at that scene, Nancy.
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Speaker 3: One of the things that I did, Carolina Law Enforcement
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Speaker 3: Division go ahead.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, they began to do a post mortem assessment of
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Speaker 8: the bodies. And simply what that means is they're going
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Speaker 8: to check for all those things we look for, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: the rigidity of the body, how stiff it is relative
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Speaker 8: to riger mortis, post mortem lividity, which is settling of blood.
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Speaker 8: And also also they're going to check the body temperature. Now,
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Speaker 8: the reason those things are important is that we can
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Speaker 8: kind of theoretically time stamp each one of those events.
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Speaker 8: So the further for instance, with algerm mortis or the
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Speaker 8: body temperature changes for the first hour after death, our
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Speaker 8: bodies generally lose one point five to two degrees of
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Speaker 8: our total core body temperature in that first hour. After
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Speaker 8: that it bleeds off one degree one degree for twelve hours.
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Speaker 8: All right, So if you think that the body may
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Speaker 8: have been down for I don't know, we're looking maybe
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Speaker 8: the body when they do the body core temperature is
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Speaker 8: maybe at ninety degrees. Then we could suppose that perhaps
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Speaker 8: these bodies had been down anywhere from seven to eight
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Speaker 8: hours at that point in time.
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Speaker 3: And Joe Scott, when the algorithm you're using vary based
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Speaker 3: on the ambiant temperature, the temperature, Yeah, it.
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Speaker 8: Does, it does. And you know, the way I explained
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Speaker 8: it is that after that twelfth hour, Nancy, we become
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Speaker 8: an inanimate object. All of the energy we generated has
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Speaker 8: burned off at that point in time.
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Speaker 3: Riger mortars rigor mortars which means the stiffening of the
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Speaker 3: limbs the live or mortar, which is the settling of
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Speaker 3: the blood. And what I mean by that is, if
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Speaker 3: you die on your back, your blood is no longer
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Speaker 3: pumping through your body and it will all settle down
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Speaker 3: to the lowest common denominator, like a glass of water,
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Speaker 3: It all goes to the bottom of the glass.
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Speaker 1: Same thing. So mortis mortis body temperature and what else.
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Speaker 8: Well, well, when we you know, obviously, when they get
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Speaker 8: back to the more to do the autopsy, they're going
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Speaker 8: to look at stomach content too, and that's a measurable
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Speaker 8: that that moves at a measurable rate from our you know,
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Speaker 8: relative to our digestion. So if they ate at six
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Speaker 8: o'clock that night, and depended upon what they ate, you
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Speaker 8: can expect, you know, perhaps the stomach to have been full,
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Speaker 8: all right, because at that at that point in time,
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Speaker 8: peristolis is going to stop. The food's going to stop
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Speaker 8: moving through the body digestion.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's going to be using medical terms.
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Speaker 3: Nobody else on this panel is a medical doctor. Please talk,
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Speaker 3: regular people talk.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if wellbody impressed me, Okay, you don't have
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Speaker 1: to be trying to impress.
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Speaker 8: What I do want to impress though, is this this
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Speaker 8: idea of the settling of the blood, Nancy, Because if
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Speaker 8: somebody monkeyed around with those bodies and move the bodies
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Speaker 8: around during the night.
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Speaker 3: Oh that well, I got to write that down, Troy Slayton.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to circle back to you with that. If
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Speaker 3: the scene was staged, if the bodies had been moved,
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Speaker 3: he's down the water, I'm telling you, because a random
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Speaker 3: killer would not think to drag the bodies around or
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Speaker 3: pose him in a certain way. That has to be
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Speaker 3: a known killer. Okay, hold on, got that was it staged?
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Speaker 1: Go ahead? Sorry, just got that's all right?
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Speaker 8: So you know, post mortem lividity actually starts sooner than
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Speaker 8: any lays appreciable sooner than any of these other things.
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Speaker 8: So if it's say, for instance, the young Mardall was
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Speaker 8: laying face down, okay, post mortem lavidity, it had begun
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Speaker 8: to be appreciable within twenty minutes of death, Nancy. The
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Speaker 8: question is is that after you get outside of that
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Speaker 8: four hour window and you've moved the body, it no
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Speaker 8: longer migrates at that time.
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Speaker 3: About coagulation of blood, if the blood had already dried
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Speaker 3: or not dried on the wounds, what would that tell you,
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Speaker 3: Joe Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, because that, again, that's going to be environmentally dependent,
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Speaker 8: bear metric, the relative humidity and all that sort of thing.
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Speaker 8: It's different being outdoors, so you would have to have
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Speaker 8: all of that information in order to computate that. So
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Speaker 8: that's going to be less reliable.
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Speaker 3: So you're thinking that the physical evidence, what do you
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Speaker 3: think the physical evidence is? Could there be a fingerprint
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Speaker 3: on the shell casing, face on the guns?
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Speaker 8: You know what I think it is. Here's my big
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Speaker 8: reveal on this. I think this might have something to
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Speaker 8: do with bloodstains. And the reason I think that is,
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Speaker 8: remember what Dave said, the young one, he took two
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Speaker 8: shotgun wounds. Nancy, So if you've got an individual, the perpetrator,
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Speaker 8: who is in a dominant position with a twelve gay
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Speaker 8: shotgun I don't know if that's the gauge or not,
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Speaker 8: and they're standing over this individual shot in the chest
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Speaker 8: and the head, Guess what happens. You get a dynamic
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Speaker 8: event with blood staining. The higher the velocity, the tinier
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Speaker 8: the blood stain. Okay, we're talking about very fine, all right,
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Speaker 8: And that's going to happen with a high velocity gunshot wound.
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Speaker 8: So just suppose, just suppose, for instance, he's kneeling over
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Speaker 8: the body and he clutches his dear son to his chest.
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Speaker 8: That's going to be transferred blood that's going to look
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Speaker 8: different to the people from the people which slid. When
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Speaker 8: they see him, and they take those pictures of him
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Speaker 8: at the at the lock up or wherever they took
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Speaker 8: him afterwards, and they take his clothes, which they did,
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Speaker 8: you're going to have that fine blood stain.
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Speaker 3: Dodger Sherry Schwartz for instance, psychology, just how often have
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Speaker 3: we seen the killer state that I tried to resuscitate them,
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Speaker 3: I clutched them, I held them to my chest, I
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Speaker 3: hugged them. That's how I got the blood transfer.
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Speaker 9: Yes exactly, that that would probably be the natural place
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Speaker 9: for him to go. Something else that he said, not once,
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Speaker 9: but twice on that nine one one call that's very
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Speaker 9: striking to me, is I've been up to it now.
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Speaker 9: It's bad.
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Speaker 2: To me.
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Speaker 9: That sounds like a confession.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Sherry Sports, let me ask you a question. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you're the forensic psychologist. You're the one that wrote Criminal
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Speaker 3: Behavior and where law and psychology intersect. What do you
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Speaker 3: make of a little noticed fact that Maggie Murdoch's phone
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Speaker 3: was taken from the scene and discarded out on the street.
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Speaker 3: It's a good ways I've been there from the home.
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Speaker 3: There's a really long driveway out to the road, and
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Speaker 3: you can't see the Murdoch Hunting Lodge as they call
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Speaker 3: it from the street. What do you make of the
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Speaker 3: fact that the killer took her phone number one and
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Speaker 3: then threw it away out on the street. I find
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Speaker 3: that to be very significant behaviorally speaking.
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Speaker 9: I agree that is significant behaviorally speaking. Now, he may
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Speaker 9: try to say, or the defense may try to say, well,
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Speaker 9: that was somebody running away from the crime scene with
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Speaker 9: this particular evidence, but then why not take other things?
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Speaker 4: Really?
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Speaker 9: What it suggests is possibly what Joe Scott Morgan is saying,
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Speaker 9: that it might be somewhat of a staged crime scene
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Speaker 9: or you know, happened hours earlier, and so somebody took
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Speaker 9: the time to try to discard some of this evidence.
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Speaker 1: That was actually mean that said that. And I'm wondering
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Speaker 1: if to me it would make more sense if, in
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Speaker 1: fact he murdered his wife and son that he did
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Speaker 1: it before the hospital visit, because how could he or
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Speaker 1: strait then both being there unless he planned it. And
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Speaker 1: what would be the significance of taking Maggie's cell phone
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Speaker 1: unless he wanted to erase something off the cell phone.
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Speaker 9: And exactly because this guy.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, is so messed up on drugs. I
24:19
Speaker 3: mean he's now, as you heard defense attorney Troy Slayton state,
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Speaker 3: he's got fifty one embezzlement type counts against him right now.
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Speaker 3: He's being investigated regarding the deaths of multiple people, including
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Speaker 3: a young man that lived nearby, Stephen Smith, a housekeeper
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Speaker 3: Gloria Saderfield.
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Speaker 1: His son Paul, was.
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Speaker 3: Involved in the death of a young girl, Mallory Beach,
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Speaker 3: on the family boat. Who knows if this guy had
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Speaker 3: the wherewithal to remove fingerprints, and when you're talking about
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Speaker 3: blood transfer, a blood transfer could be explained to way
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Speaker 3: by the defensise saying I held him, I hugged them.
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Speaker 1: I tried to perform CPR.
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Speaker 3: But as Joe Scott Morgan was talking about blood evidence,
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Speaker 3: blood spatter means you were near the body at the
25:14
Speaker 3: time of the murder. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in
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Speaker 3: between takes. Jason Clark, the star known for all of
25:32
Speaker 3: his work and Terminator Genesis, walked around the set wearing
25:38
Speaker 3: slide sandals and sunglasses. I wonder if he took the
25:41
Speaker 3: time to remember what really happened to Paul and Maggie.
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Speaker 3: Paul gunned down Maggie trying to save her son's life.
25:49
Speaker 3: She also gunned down as Mrdlach high Til did to
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Speaker 3: hide out at his mother's house. What more do we
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Speaker 3: know about that night? A jury agreed with me he
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Speaker 3: did in it.
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Speaker 6: Okay? What is her name?
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Speaker 5: Maggie?
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Speaker 6: Maggie and Paul Maggie is her name?
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Speaker 5: Okay?
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Speaker 8: And please hurry.
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Speaker 6: We're getting somebody out there to you and me asking
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Speaker 6: you these questions. Don't slow them down, Okay? Are you
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Speaker 6: sure they're not breathing. Is he moving?
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Speaker 7: Now?
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Speaker 6: Your son? I know you said that she was shot,
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Speaker 6: but what about your son?
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Speaker 5: Nobody, they're not news.
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Speaker 6: Do what is your telephone number?
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Speaker 3: Not particularly really, no man, okay, okay, to Troy Slayton.
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Speaker 3: We have to take into account as we listen to
27:10
Speaker 3: this nine one one call. Now, Alexi Murdog didn't He
27:15
Speaker 3: also called nine one one after he was shot in
27:17
Speaker 3: the head and put up much the same story that
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Speaker 3: an unknown assailant had driven by him and I don't
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Speaker 3: nowhere shot him in the head and whoops, he lived?
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Speaker 1: What about that? Is anybody making that parallel?
27:34
Speaker 4: We're trying to say that this is an Academy Award
27:36
Speaker 4: winning performance, Nancy.
27:37
Speaker 3: I'm saying it's been It was rehearsed. Okay, because didn't
27:41
Speaker 3: he wait, didn't he call nine one one when he
27:44
Speaker 3: was shot on the side of the road.
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Speaker 8: Joe Scott, Yes, he did, Nancy, he sure did. And
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Speaker 8: so this to me, as an investigator, I'm looking at
27:51
Speaker 8: a pattern developing. He got away with the first time, potentially,
27:56
Speaker 8: and now he thinks he's going to get away with
27:57
Speaker 8: it again when he's feigning this gunshot him to the head.
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Speaker 8: That's some unknown perpetrator.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Troy Slaton. Can't you just see a prosecutor
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Speaker 1: playing all these nine one one calls, especially the one
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Speaker 1: on the side of the road where the dope dealer
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Speaker 1: confesses reportedly that Murnod hired him to shoot him.
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Speaker 3: And here Murdod crying and carrying on on the phone
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Speaker 3: just like he's doing here.
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Speaker 4: And as a defense attorney, we would say there is
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Speaker 4: no playbook for the horror that a.
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Speaker 1: Priest come up with something new. Oh, I want to
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Speaker 1: beat my head against the wall. You say that time.
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Speaker 4: Would express once they find some sort of horrific situation
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Speaker 4: like his wife and child being killed.
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Speaker 3: But he sounds the same way in his own nie
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Speaker 3: on one call when he stays just shooting on himself,
28:49
Speaker 3: same thing, all that breathing and the gulping and the whining,
28:56
Speaker 3: same exact thing.
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Speaker 4: Let's go back to the staging of the you're.
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Speaker 3: Gonna lie it's something you want to talk about, Go ahead,
29:03
Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear this.
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Speaker 4: So if there's physical evidence that bodies were moved from
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Speaker 4: the place where the murders happened so that way they
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Speaker 4: look like something else, then yes. And if somehow Alex
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Speaker 4: Murdoch is connected to that movement of the bodies. That
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Speaker 4: would be really damning evidence for him that big I would.
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Speaker 3: Be a big whoopsie for you to explain the next
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Speaker 3: time we talk about this.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it less unless you're.
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Speaker 4: Moving the body in order to perform some sort of
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Speaker 4: life saving measure. Now moving the body in order to
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Speaker 4: perform CPR or to try and resuscitate them.
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Speaker 1: See, that's why you make all that money, because you
29:43
Speaker 1: just spun that out of thin air like Rumpel Stilskin.
29:46
Speaker 3: I mean, you just spun it into goal. Amazing, amazing
29:51
Speaker 3: what you just did right there. Guys, with all the
29:54
Speaker 3: knowledge we now are amassing, I'm really interested in these
29:59
Speaker 3: nine to one one. Take a listen to Alex Murdog
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Speaker 3: in our cut twenty eight.
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Speaker 7: Oh they're close, ma'am.
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Speaker 6: Yet there they've been around with you ever since you've
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Speaker 6: got on the phone with me. I have multiple people
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Speaker 6: coming out there to you. Okay, I don't want you to touch.
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Speaker 1: Them at all.
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Speaker 5: Okay, I don't.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've.
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Speaker 6: Already touched them, and I don't. I don't want you
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Speaker 6: to touch them, just in case they can get any
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Speaker 6: kind of evidence Okay, I've already.
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Speaker 5: Touched the time to get to see if they were breathing.
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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, I just don't want you to move anything,
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Speaker 6: just in case they can get any kind of evidence.
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Speaker 5: Okay.
30:41
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, man, I'm gonna call I need to call
30:53
Speaker 7: some of my family.
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Speaker 6: Okay, over, well, it will do me a favor for
30:58
Speaker 6: me whenever you see the officer or the medex because
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Speaker 6: they're all coming to you. Absolutely, okay, but we have
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Speaker 6: them come in. Turn on the flashes on your vehicle
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Speaker 6: so they can see you. Okay, you got the flashes
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Speaker 6: on for me?
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Speaker 1: Of who Wow, he sure calms down pretty quickly. Did
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Speaker 1: you hear that? Yeah, I got them on. I'm calling
31:22
Speaker 1: my family and call my lawyer and calling my dope dealer.
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Speaker 1: So okay, let me go back to you.
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Speaker 3: Dave mac joining us Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 3: tell me again the report that there is direct physical
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Speaker 3: evidence linking him Alex Murdog to the double murders.
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Speaker 2: At least one of the weapons used in the double
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Speaker 2: homicide belonged to the murdav family. We know that law
31:47
Speaker 2: enforcement impounded a twenty twenty one Chevy Suburban registered to
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Speaker 2: the murdav law firm from the scene. We know that
31:54
Speaker 2: deputies found shellcasing that the scene. This is a report
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Speaker 2: from Fitz News. SLED agents requested the Sheriff's deputy searched
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Speaker 2: the area near the crime seamer video surveillance systems on
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Speaker 2: the morning after the murge. We don't know what they
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Speaker 2: found there. On June sixteenth, SLED agents were collecting evidence
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Speaker 2: in a swampy area near the Skahatchee River, about two
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Speaker 2: miles south of Mozelle and Maggie. Murdaw's cell phone was
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Speaker 2: found along a rural South Carolina road just outside the
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Speaker 2: family seventeen hundred acre hunting lodge the day after the murder.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Dotta Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists joining us
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Speaker 1: ntor Sherry, how do you analyze what you heard on
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Speaker 1: the naimalone call?
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, there's so many things, right, I mean,
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Speaker 9: he starts off, he's very emotional, he's crying, he's gasping
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Speaker 9: for air, and then, as you pointed out, at the end,
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Speaker 9: he's very calm. A matter of fact, it's very striking
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Speaker 9: to me that in the midst of this horror and
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Speaker 9: waiting for first responders, he needs to get off the
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Speaker 9: phone to contact family. I mean, you know, have you
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Speaker 9: given up totally? You know you who are you calling?
33:06
Speaker 9: What family do you need to contact? And why at
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Speaker 9: this moment? You know, how are you gathering your thoughts
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Speaker 9: in that way? And he also says you know that
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Speaker 9: he did touch them to see if they were breathing,
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Speaker 9: but he doesn't mention anything about trying to render aid.
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Speaker 1: Will Murdoch's case be overruled, will he get a new trial,
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Speaker 1: or will he sit just where he needs to be
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Speaker 1: behind bars for the rest of his natural life? We
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Speaker 1: wait as just as sunfolds, and I wonder can he
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Speaker 1: get Hulu behind bars? Goodbye friend,