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The Late Debate | 26 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Light Debate.
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  Speaker 2: And if that doesn't do it for your dad, sack
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  Speaker 2: him and get another one. Welcome to the program. I'm
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Bond with Danika DiGiorgio and Michelle Stevenson. A sad day,
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  Speaker 2: I have to say.
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  Speaker 3: It is a sad day.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk a bit more later about Dolly Parton. But
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  Speaker 2: I was, because I keep stupid hours, and I was
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  Speaker 2: going to bed this morning shortly after 4am.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. What?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I turned on the BBC World Service. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 2: it was just as they were announcing that Dolly had died. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: now I've got to go to sleep. It's not very nice.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a nice way to fall asleep.
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  Speaker 2: No. And it's like, you know, it really shocks you.
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  Speaker 2: You think, oh, it's a bit silly to feel like
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  Speaker 2: this about a celebrity, but Dolly Parton.
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  Speaker 5: She's iconic.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: She's incredibly iconic.
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  Speaker 1: And I just, everyone had so much to say about
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  Speaker 1: her and her music is just.
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  Speaker 5: Timeless. I am so devastated by this.
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  Speaker 3: It touched all generations as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. You've got three Dolly lovers here. We'll go
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  Speaker 2: through our favourite songs a little later. In the show,
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  Speaker 2: here's what's coming up tonight. The Tasmanian Liberals have accused
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  Speaker 2: the Greens of making light of the Holocaust for describing
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  Speaker 2: budget cuts to health as a Sophie's Choice decision. Was
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  Speaker 2: it really that bad? We'll discuss that soon. Should e-bike
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  Speaker 2: owners have to pay for compulsory third-party insurance just like
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  Speaker 2: car owners do? One state's productivity commission has opened up
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  Speaker 2: that debate and Labor apparently has a plan for migration now. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: the details. are on the front of tomorrow's Australian. We'll
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  Speaker 2: have a look at that a little bit later. But first,
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  Speaker 2: some new data out today from the Australian Institute of
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  Speaker 2: Family Studies about how long kids are staying at home.
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  Speaker 2: The News Corp papers have tallied it all up and
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  Speaker 2: done the reporting for us, so we didn't have to
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  Speaker 2: work too hard to work it all out. But we'll
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  Speaker 2: bring it to you here. It turns out that two-thirds
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  Speaker 2: of people between the ages of 19 and 24... are
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  Speaker 2: still living at home. Now, as you could probably expect,
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  Speaker 2: the younger you are, the more likely you are to
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  Speaker 2: live at home and the older you get, the more
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  Speaker 2: it drops off. For instance, 19 to 20-year-olds, 54% of
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  Speaker 2: them are staying at home with their parents rent-free. 23%
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  Speaker 2: are living with their parents and paying rent. That's probably
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  Speaker 2: fair enough. Only 16% are living elsewhere and paying rent.
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  Speaker 2: So reasonably small proportions. of 19 to 20-year-olds, which I
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  Speaker 2: suspect is very different from what it was 20, 30,
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  Speaker 2: 40 years ago. But as you get a little bit older,
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  Speaker 2: you get into the 23, 24 age bracket, and you
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  Speaker 2: do start to see a bit of the move away
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  Speaker 2: from staying at home with your parents, but still significant. 28%
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  Speaker 2: are living at home with their parents rent-free, and 20%
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  Speaker 2: are paying rent and living with their parents. That's still 48%
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  Speaker 2: of 23 to 24-year-olds who are living at home with
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  Speaker 2: their parents. 38% by this time have moved out and
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  Speaker 2: are paying rent to live elsewhere. Just 8% own their
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  Speaker 2: own home by the age of 23 or 24. And
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  Speaker 2: some other really interesting data out of this study, and
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  Speaker 2: they looked at 10,000 families over a space of 10 years,
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  Speaker 2: the Australian Institute of Family Studies, to collate all of
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  Speaker 2: this data. 85% of these young people between the ages
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  Speaker 2: of 19 and 24 said they felt like they would
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  Speaker 2: never be able to afford a home, which is a
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  Speaker 2: pretty big indictment on the state of things in this country.
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  Speaker 2: And I also thought really interesting was that if you
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  Speaker 2: spoke English at home as your main language, you were
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  Speaker 2: actually two times more likely, twice as likely to report
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  Speaker 2: issues with housing affordability than those who didn't only speak
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  Speaker 2: English at home. Maybe it's got something to do with
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  Speaker 2: work ethic or some other things. We can get into
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  Speaker 2: that in a moment. But it does show, to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: I expected, Michelle, that there might be more kids staying
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  Speaker 2: at home in that 23 to 24 bracket. It is
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  Speaker 2: still nearly a majority, 48%. I was surprised, to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: that 38% were out renting on their own. I thought
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  Speaker 2: that would be a smaller number these days. But... only 20%
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  Speaker 2: of them are paying rent. So you've still got, by
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  Speaker 2: the age of 23, 24, 28% of kids at home rent-free.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're living with your parents... surely you
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  Speaker 2: should be contributing to the household budget.
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  Speaker 5: Or just don't be living with your parents. Time to
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  Speaker 5: move out. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If that was me, I would be getting my son
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  Speaker 1: out of there.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's 14. I'm already plotting and planning when
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  Speaker 5: he is leaving. I think as soon as he graduates
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  Speaker 5: high school, he's off to ADFA. That's my plan. I've
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  Speaker 5: already told him about that. And he's well across it
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  Speaker 5: and he's happy with it. Look, this is the TikTok generation.
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  Speaker 1: You know, everything has to be streamed and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they've got delivery service, so they're.
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  Speaker 5: Paying for a lot. They go to Mecca, which is.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a cosmetics store, and you've got 12-year-olds spending
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars. So imagine what it's like when they turn, like,
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  Speaker 1: 19 and they start getting a part-time job.
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  Speaker 5: They don't want to move out of home.
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  Speaker 1: Because they want to keep buying the clothes, they want
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  Speaker 1: to keep buying everything. So they're never going to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think when.
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  Speaker 1: We had to move out of home, I know when
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  Speaker 1: I had to move out of home, I moved out
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  Speaker 1: of home when I was quite young, and it was
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  Speaker 1: all about.
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  Speaker 5: Living in share houses.
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  Speaker 1: And, like, I was putting $ 5 petrol in my Datsun
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  Speaker 1: 120Y because I couldn't afford to fill it up. So
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a very different generation. They're not willing
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  Speaker 1: to sacrifice. They're not willing to go without. So I
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  Speaker 1: think that's probably why parents are now picking up the tab.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I don't see what the problem is with staying
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  Speaker 6: at home, to be honest. I was 27 when I
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  Speaker 6: moved out. And that was because I moved to Sydney.
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  Speaker 6: That's when I moved out of home. But, you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's not all the same for every single child. I
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  Speaker 6: have a very good relationship with my parents. I'm extremely lucky.
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  Speaker 6: And my parents would be happy to have me if,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I wouldn't move back to Perth, but if
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  Speaker 6: I did.
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  Speaker 4: My parents would say, why don't you come and live
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  Speaker 4: with us while you find a place to live?
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  Speaker 6: And they never made me pay board and it would never,
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  Speaker 6: ever be under consideration, even though I would always offer
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  Speaker 6: to put in money and I paid my own bills,
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  Speaker 6: but also to help out with groceries. So I guess
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  Speaker 6: it's different for every individual family. I don't think that
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  Speaker 6: we should put a number on when a child should
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  Speaker 6: be moving out of home in this economy. It is very,
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  Speaker 6: very expensive, and I don't think it's all about them
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  Speaker 6: paying for their streaming services or paying for make-up at Mecca.
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  Speaker 6: I genuinely think that it is very, very difficult to
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  Speaker 6: pay your own.
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  Speaker 3: Way right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, but they also are taking full advantage of
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  Speaker 1: the fact that they don't have to pay rent, so
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  Speaker 1: they are buying the things.
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  Speaker 5: They are getting Uber Eats delivered probably.
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  Speaker 1: five times a week, which is so different to when
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  Speaker 1: we were growing up.
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  Speaker 3: But what if they're saying for a house deposit?
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  Speaker 5: As if who can afford to save for.
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  Speaker 3: A house deposit?
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  Speaker 5: Not even people on full-time wages can afford for a house.
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  Speaker 6: But I know people who are my age in their
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  Speaker 6: mid-30s who have moved back in with their parents simply
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  Speaker 6: for the fact that they are trying to save for
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  Speaker 6: a house deposit or newly married. I know a few
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  Speaker 6: married couples that have had to move back in, even
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  Speaker 6: if it's just for six months while they save or
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  Speaker 6: while they're looking to build a home.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's an option. I don't so much mind that,
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  Speaker 2: but I do feel like you're right to a degree, Michelle.
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  Speaker 2: I think there are kids who take the piss out
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  Speaker 2: of their parents.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I see, you would have seen recently, you
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  Speaker 2: go through Instagram and, you know, we've been here dutifully
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  Speaker 2: working over winter, which is the European summer.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 2: But I see people, you know, my age and younger... Oh, absolutely...
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  Speaker 2: who don't own a home... Absolutely... going on lavish European holidays.
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  Speaker 3: What's wrong with that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, OK, you can.
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  Speaker 5: The amount of money.
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  Speaker 3: Who cares?
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  Speaker 6: Go and live your life while you're young because you
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  Speaker 6: could be here today, gone tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: But don't whinge about the fact you can't afford a house.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair enough.
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  Speaker 6: Don't whinge about the fact you can't afford a house.
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  Speaker 6: I totally agree with that. But live while you're young
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  Speaker 6: because one day you will not be able to go
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  Speaker 6: on these lavish European adventures. So when you're young and
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  Speaker 6: you're able to do it, I say go for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but OK, I bought my place in Adelaide. I
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  Speaker 2: was still living there just before I turned 21, right?
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  Speaker 2: And I had put away.
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  Speaker 3: It was Adelaide.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, I put away... And Adelaide prices. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not Adelaide prices aren't what they used to
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  Speaker 2: be now.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I have to say I bought it at a very
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  Speaker 2: good time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I'd put away... I was on cadet wages. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't earning a great deal of money, but I put
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  Speaker 2: away half of my income every week and saved up
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  Speaker 2: for a deposit to buy a unit because I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to get out of there. Now, my parents were nice
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  Speaker 2: enough to let me stay at home while I did that.
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  Speaker 2: And I moved out just after I turned 21. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't particularly want to rent and pay someone else's mortgage.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I'd rather pay my mortgage. But I tell
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  Speaker 2: you what, never have I regretted buying that property and
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  Speaker 2: said I would rather have spent 50 or 60 grand
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  Speaker 2: going on overseas holidays.
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  Speaker 6: Because that's what I was going to ask you. Have
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  Speaker 6: you been overseas?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's what? Do you want to go overseas? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm now at a point where I'm earning money
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  Speaker 2: where I can afford to do that, but I do
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  Speaker 2: not for one minute regret having bought that.
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  Speaker 3: Right, see, I'm the complete opposite. I have lived... Lived
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  Speaker 3: it up.
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  Speaker 6: I have gone to Europe every single year pretty much
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  Speaker 6: since I turned 18, except for during the COVID period,
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  Speaker 6: and I've had some of the best times of my life.
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  Speaker 6: And I can honestly say I have lived with no
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  Speaker 6: regrets for everything that I've done overseas because I have
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  Speaker 6: enjoyed every single one of those experiences.
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  Speaker 3: Do I have a home to myself?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 6: Do I regret going overseas? No, because I have had
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  Speaker 6: really good times that I'll never get back again.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm comfortable with that.
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  Speaker 2: You don't regret not having the property?
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  Speaker 6: No, right now I would rather have gone overseas and
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  Speaker 6: lived the life that I have over the last several
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  Speaker 6: years than having.
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  Speaker 3: I would rather have taken that opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have a property and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think buying a property is a be-all and end-all. I
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  Speaker 1: think we put a lot of focus on you have
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  Speaker 1: to buy a property and I've had this conversation multiple times.
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  Speaker 5: I think you can invest. I think you can rent.
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  Speaker 3: But you not.
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  Speaker 1: Going overseas ever... literally says so much.
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  Speaker 5: Like everything's been explained right now to me about you
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  Speaker 5: never going overseas.
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  Speaker 2: Go on, what's that mean to me?
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  Speaker 5: This is so crazy to me.
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  Speaker 2: But what's crazy? What's the problem?
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  Speaker 1: Like the experiences and like just different viewpoints and different
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  Speaker 1: cultures and like going, it's just, it really expands.
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  Speaker 5: Your whole life.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, you're telling me that I'm insular. You said it
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  Speaker 2: explains things about me. Yeah, you're a little insular. You
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  Speaker 2: must be a little insular. Well, no, tell me what
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  Speaker 2: it explains.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you're a little bit insular.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, but tell me in what way I'm insular.
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  Speaker 5: Well, in terms of, like, how I... Just the way you.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, you've made the argument. You tell me in
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  Speaker 2: what way I'm insular.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like you're getting quite aggressive.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, no, I'm asking you. You have said that
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  Speaker 2: it says something about me. I'm simply asking you to
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  Speaker 2: tell me what it has said about me and to
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  Speaker 2: explain in what way that shows.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're not quite as loose as most people in
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  Speaker 1: a conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Loose?
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  Speaker 7: What?
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  Speaker 5: As in, like, a conversation. You're a bit buttoned up.
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  Speaker 2: OK. I'm... I'm not quite sure what to say to that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not getting involved in this one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm staying right out of it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: You put me on the spot now.
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  Speaker 2: So if I cross the threshold of the border... Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I.
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  Speaker 2: Will suddenly become less buttoned up.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to undo that tie. You're going to take
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  Speaker 1: off that suit. Things are going to get loose.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that. Anyway, I'm going to Cheltenham
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  Speaker 2: next year for the races.
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  Speaker 3: I think, do you know what it is?
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  Speaker 6: Look, I have a lot of respect for the fact
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  Speaker 6: that you have bought your own home at such a
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  Speaker 6: young age. And I'm sure there will be so many
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  Speaker 6: young Aussies that wish that they could be in your
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  Speaker 6: position as well to have been able to afford that property.
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  Speaker 6: But I guess from the other perspective, it's to go
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  Speaker 6: and broaden your mind and go and live it up
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  Speaker 6: overseas while you're young, while you're 18, while you're 19
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  Speaker 6: and have those experiences because.
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  Speaker 3: One day you might not be able to.
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  Speaker 2: I made that sacrifice and I've made quite a bit
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  Speaker 2: of money making that sacrifice. So I'm quite comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: And that's great. It's individual choices. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: OK, well, let's move on to Ushies because the road
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  Speaker 1: of supermarket dominance is paved with tiny pieces of plastic. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't know what an ushi is, it's something
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  Speaker 1: that Woolworths has rolled out for parents to collect or
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  Speaker 1: their children to collect to also make sure that parents
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  Speaker 1: are spending more money in their supermarkets. So let's take
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  Speaker 1: a quick look at what ushis look like in case
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  Speaker 1: you're not across it.
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  Speaker 2: Featuring a cast of 40 characters, free with every $ 30
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  Speaker 2: you spend.
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  Speaker 1: So Woolworths has made a tidy little profit.
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  Speaker 5: Two rival Coles have made $ 53. 9 billion in the 2026
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  Speaker 5: financial year.
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, Ooshies aren't really the main driver, but
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  Speaker 1: they did record quite a bump over the period that
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  Speaker 1: they had that going on. So they saw Ooshies effectively
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  Speaker 1: contribute $ 120 million to Woolworths. So they did beat Coles
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  Speaker 1: quite substantially, but they're not blaming Ooshies just yet. But anyone,
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  Speaker 1: any parent, particularly who has a child who's into Ooshies.
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  Speaker 5: They are the scourge. They are the worst thing.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the Ooshies, they can come in, they're Marvel characters
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  Speaker 1: or they can be Spider-Man or Disney, Pixar, and your
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  Speaker 1: children get addicted to collecting them. Some schools are even
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  Speaker 1: banning them in the schoolyard because children are fighting over
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  Speaker 1: them and.
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  Speaker 5: They're trading them.
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  Speaker 1: And you can even buy them on eBay and they're
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  Speaker 1: getting quite expensive. And a lot of children start begging
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  Speaker 1: their parents, you need to go back, you need to
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  Speaker 1: get me the ushi. So, look, I think at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, it's kind of a good thing
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  Speaker 1: that they're doing because it has boosted their sales. But
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  Speaker 1: for me as a parent, I say let's not have.
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  Speaker 5: That, please.
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  Speaker 2: So what do we do? Ban the supermarket?
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  Speaker 5: Ban the ushies. Like, supermarkets should just.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on, we're going to regulate supermarkets? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: But, like, I do think supermarkets should get back to
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  Speaker 1: what they should be doing, and that is providing groceries,
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  Speaker 1: and not at an exorbitant amount, because they're making $ 53
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  Speaker 1: billion while we can barely afford our own groceries. And
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  Speaker 1: then they're throwing plastic, tiny pieces of plastic at us...
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  Speaker 1: so that we can, like, you know, keep coming back
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  Speaker 1: for more.
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  Speaker 5: It's, like, addictive.
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  Speaker 2: I get that they're large headline numbers in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the revenue, right?
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  Speaker 8: Mm.
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  Speaker 2: But Woolworths posted a profit of 5.5%, a profit margin
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  Speaker 2: of 5.5%, up from 5.3%. Now, in the business world,
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  Speaker 2: that's a pretty slim profit margin. You know, I get
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: that it's easy to complain about price gouging in supermarkets...
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  Speaker 2: But it's not all the supermarkets. It's suppliers who demand
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: a price for their product that the supermarket then has
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: to pay. They then have to pay. Their staff, they
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: have to pay their overheads, the rent in the shopping centres.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: They have to pay the energy costs, which have gone
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: up for a supermarket, like they've gone up for the
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: rest of us. I honestly don't think Woolies posting a
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: profit margin of 5.5% is all that outrageous.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: But they're not paying for people.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: They're not paying for people anymore because we all have
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: to scan our own things and we have to pick
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: everything up.
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: Like, there's no-one working there anymore.
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: True.
• 15:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, they've done a lot of cost-cutting to get
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: to this point. The problem is, Caleb, is we know
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: that they inflate grocery prices. We know that there is
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: evidence of price gouging.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: There's been a whole thing.
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: And my issue is, is stop with the gimmicks. Yes.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: Stop with the caricatures. What the heck am I going.
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: What is your average mum and dad going to do
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: with one of these characters, right?
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: Don't buy it. Don't buy it. Don't buy it.
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: But you go to the till and it's like you
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: go to scan your items and then it comes up
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: at the end with you're eligible to get one of these.
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: What the heck am I going to do with this
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: plastic toy? Take it home and put it into my bed.
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: What am I going to do with it?
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: You don't have to take it.
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: It's okay if you've got children, but don't put these
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: gimmicks in my faces.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: What I want to know is how I'm going to
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: save on my groceries.
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: What's on special and how the supermarkets are working for
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: the consumer in order to not price gouge.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: That is all I care about. So they can come
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: out and say, look, we've done so well with our Ooshie.
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: Scheme, I couldn't care quite frankly about what toys they're
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: trying to sell me.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: I just want to know about cost of living, groceries.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: So what do you think is a fair profit margin
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: for a supermarket?
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: Oh, look, I couldn't tell you what a profit margin is.
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: I'm just telling you.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Like $ 53 billion for a 2026 financial year when half
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: of us can barely afford groceries. We've got rising rates
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: of homelessness. I'm sorry, but that's exorbitant.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: I get that they're a.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Business, but, like, that is an exorbitant amount. Let's just
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: turn into Mondani in New York and just, like.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: The profit was $ 1.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: 14 billion for Coles, right? So their profit margin is 5.5%.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Of all the money they get through, they get to
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: cream 5.5% off the top of that. In the business world,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: that is a low profit. So what do you think
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: is a fair profit margin for a supermarket? If 5.5%,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: if they're price gouging and that $ 1. 14 billion is too much,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: how much money should a supermarket be able to make
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: out of doing business? Caleb?
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Maths is not a strong suit. Well, no.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: I cannot give you an answer on a profit margin, right?
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: I'm being honest. I can't give you profit margins. I'm
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: just telling you I'm a consumer and what I look
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: for when I go and do my groceries. So what
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: are you saying to me, that you think this Ooshies
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: campaign is smart marketing by the business?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, of course it is. If it gets people through
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: the door, it's smart marketing.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: But they're spending money on plastic toys for what?
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: To get customers.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Reinvest it. Reinvest it into the business.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: It's working. No, but they've made money by doing it.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: It's working.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: And OK.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't care so much about them making money if
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: they weren't getting caught price gouging, if there weren't all
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: these accusations of inflated grocery prices. I wouldn't care so
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: much about them making so much money when people are
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: finding it very difficult to put groceries on the table.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm with you all the way.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: I can tell you I've never taken an Ooshie and
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: I don't plan to at any time.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: We might have a.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Special late debate Ooshie on this desk in the next
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: week or so.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Stand by for updates. One of us might go and
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: get one.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, there'll be parents out there who
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: totally agree with me and think Ooshies should be banned.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: Caleb likes them so much.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I don't take the Ooshies.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe Caleb can provide us with some on the... I
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: don't take the Ooshies, but I'm not offended by them.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: A special late debate Ooshies.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: If you can't buy them at auction, I don't want them.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Well, that's it. They're not an artistic one or a
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: nice little antique. No, exactly. All right, well, look, let's
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: move on to Tasmania.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: The Greens over there, they're in a world of pain
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: right now over comments made by one of their own.
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: So this is the Greens' health spokeswoman. Her name is
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: Cecily Russell. She has compared a dispute about an ultrasound
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: machine at the Royal Hobart Hospital to a movie about
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: the Holocaust. She said the situation at the hospital was
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: similar to that in a fictional 1982 movie in which
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: the main character, played by Meryl Streep.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Was forced to choose which of her children would.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Die in a Nazi extermination camp. Now, just for some
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: background on these ultrasound machines, one of them is retiring
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: and the unions over there claim that because of the
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: retirement of this ultrasound machine, it is going to completely
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: blow out the budget. So Cecily Russell said... Quote, it's
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: totally outrageous. Sonographers at the Royal Hobart Hospital have been
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: told they need to choose between a new ultrasound machine
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: or patient ultrasound couches.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Due to budget cuts. What a Sophie's choice.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: And it's that particular line about what a Sophie's choice
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: that was in the movie.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: She kicks you. Ouch!
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: And of course, as I said, that movie is about
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: the Holocaust. Bridget Archer, the Tasmanian health minister. has called
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: the comments abhorrent. She says the Tasmanian Greens must immediately
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: apologise and withdraw their comment making light of the Holocaust.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: Their comparison of health equipment to the atrocities of World
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: War II should be condemned. This abhorrent comment comes as
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: Australia listens to the painful testimonies of our Jewish community
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: at the Royal Commission.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: The comments, in my view, were not anti-Semitic, but to
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: Bridget Archer's point, I do have to agree with her.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: I think in the broader context of what is going
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: on in the country at the moment, the Royal Commission
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: finished up today. It has heard harrowing testimony after harrowing testimony.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: It is completely inappropriate to be making any level of
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: comparison to the Holocaust, even if it wasn't in the
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: climate that we're in right now. I think any sort
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: of comparison to that time in World War II is
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: absolutely inappropriate.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: We have a Jewish community on edge as it is
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: Secondly, the Greens are not exactly the most terrific of
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: characters when it comes to sentiment on this matter. They
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: have proven themselves time and time again to be highly
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: anti-Israel and pro-Palestine. So when a comment comes from one
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: of them, It just makes it 10 times worse than
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: what it is. And was there any need for her
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: to even bring up the Holocaust? You can just talk
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: about ultrasound equipment. You can talk about equipment in general
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: at a hospital and make a point about it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is retiring. Yes, it's going to cost money
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: to replace it. I get it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: There was absolutely no need whatsoever to mention the Holocaust.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: Just entirely inappropriate.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill, really.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: The first thing is Sophie's Choice is a fictional work.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: It's not a real story. It centres around the Holocaust and,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: as you say, this decision that a mother has to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: make about which of her children will be sent off
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: to the gas chambers. But it is used commonly in
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: colloquial form where you have to make a decision that
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: will not lead to a good outcome regardless of what
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: decision you make. And people say, you know, it's a
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Sophie's Choice decision. And I don't think anyone who says
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: that means to demean the Holocaust or to demean Jewish
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: people or anything of that nature. And I'm the first
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: to jump down the Greens' throats when I think they've
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: done something wrong. But in this case, I don't think
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Cecily Russell would have had in her mind that it
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: was in any way a commentary about the war or
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: about Jews or about the Holocaust or anything. It was simply,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: what do you call something where you've got to make
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: a decision and you've got two bad choices? It's a
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Sophie's choice. And that was the phrase she used. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: fear that by trying to make something out of it,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: as Bridget Archer has done, when we have very real
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and awful cases of anti-Semitism in this country, is that
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: it kind of degrades the whole idea of anti-Semitism, a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: bit like racism has now kind of lost all meaning
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: because everything has become racist. You know, if you start
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: to pick on the smaller stuff that didn't really have
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: any intent to be anti-Semitic or about the Holocaust in
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the first place, people start to turn off and they go, oh, well,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you know, they're saying anti-Semitism again. I just don't think
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: this was worth picking up on.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: No, I would agree with you on that one. It
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: was a pretty strong argument, I have to say.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: But, like, Sophie's Choice, growing up around my parents' generation,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: they would use that term in, like, kind of a flippant, like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: making decision about one thing or another. It was never around, oh,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: we're making this about the Holocaust or anti-Semitic.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: But, look, I do get your point as well. In
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: this current....
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Current climate, I mean, antisemitism, particularly where I live in
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Bondi Beach, you know, we have seen the rise and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the scourge of antisemitism and people are a bit more
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: careful with their words and how they structure their sentences
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: because they kind.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: Of have to.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: We've got a whole Jewish population that is incredibly on
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: edge and have every right to be. And then again,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you know, the Greens have, they do have form here.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: This is what they do. They like to stoke the fire.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Do I think this is that? No, I don't. But
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: it's hard because we know that when the Greens speak,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: when they speak about, you know, Palestine or Israel, it
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: tends to have a hint of anti-Semitism to it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: So, look, it's a really difficult one. But do I
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: think this is a case of that?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think it was anti-Semitic. That's not what
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: I was saying, Caleb. I don't think the comments were anti-Semitic.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: I just think that it's highly inappropriate for the time
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: that we're living in to be bringing.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: This up, and especially from somebody within the Greens.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it was in any way making
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: light of the Holocaust, though.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: But why do you have to make that comment?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Because it was an innocuous comment.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: I don't think it was appropriate. You could have just
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: spoken about the hospital equipment and be done with it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: You don't have to make comparisons or draw comparisons.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: What for?
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: It was just completely meaningless. Talk about the equipment.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: It is an important conversation to be having about ultrasound equipment.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: At a hospital.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Metaphors in common speech all the time.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but in this sort of climate?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Not appropriate. I don't know. I honestly would not have
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: read that and made anything of it. But maybe the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Greens in general should all get on their e-bikes and
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: disappear into the distance. The question is, though, whether if
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: you do so, you should have to pay compulsory third-party
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: insurance for owning an e-bike. Apparently now something like 40%
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: of crashes are now being made up with an e-bike
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: involved in it in some way, whether that's a car
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: and an e-bike or an e-bike and a pedestrian. But
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: e-bikes are now starting to turn up significantly in road
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: crash statistics. And so the Productivity Commission in New South
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Wales was commissioned by the state government to go off
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: and have a look at whether, because of this, there
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: ought to be a compulsory third-party insurance scheme for e-bikes.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Same as you pay your car rego, you pay your CTP,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: or maybe if you've got an e-bike, you'd have to
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: pay CTP. The Productivity Commission has come back in New
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: South Wales and said that wouldn't work. They believe that
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: it would cost money. between $ 470 million and $ 1 billion
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: a year, mostly because people would stop riding and buying
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: e-bikes because they'd become too expensive to own and they'd
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: then go and use other forms of transport that would
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: cost us money in terms of fuel and public transport,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: et cetera. This is Peter Arkestrat, who is the New
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: South Wales Productivity and Equality Commissioner, talking about their decision.
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: Peter Arkestrat, electronic bike riding can significantly improve productivity. It
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: can reduce pollution and it can enable people who live
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: between three and four kilometres from a train station to
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: get to the metro without having to get into their car.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Now of course there are also people who've been victims
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: of crashes involving e-bikes and they would very much argue
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that something ought to be done. I can't go on
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: slippery surfaces, I can't use stairs properly, I can't climb
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: parts of the equipment with my daughter at the park.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: There's just more bikes coming out, there's more companies, and
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: then there's more private ones.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Like, how many resulting deaths.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Do you need? Now, the Productivity Commissioner has argued that
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: they should just enforce the laws that already exist. And
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to be frank, that's what I think they ought to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: be doing. I mean, you know, oh, you've got to
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: have CTP to ride an e-bike. We start with that, then,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: you know, it'll be CTP to kids have a BMX
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: or something. Because if you are riding a legal e-bike...
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: It can't go more than 25 kilometres an hour. They're regulated.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: The power's regulated. The whole thing, right? The problem is
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: not people riding legal, regulated e-bikes. It's people riding illegal
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: e-bikes that are souped up to the nines and they
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: go 50, 60. I mean, they're basically a motorbike, right?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: But they're not legal. So why don't we just round
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: up all the illegal e-bikes and take them off the
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: road instead of starting to say, oh, well, you've got
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: to pay insurance in order to ride an e-bike.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: The problem is now, though, that e-bikes account for 40%
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: of smashes. That's a lot of crashes on the road. 40%
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: are now coming from e-bikes. That's a lot.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: And we know that CTP insurance, for example, here in
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: New South Wales, it costs an arm and a leg
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: every year. I'm not sure what it's like in other states,
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: but it's certainly not cheap. And I actually think that
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: they should be paying insurance because when it's, but that
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: is a lot of money. If crashes are at 40%,
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: that's a heck of a lot of money. And I
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: was having a look at the Australian Lawyers Alliance. They
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: actually put together quite a good case for why people
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: should be paying insurance for this. And the point that
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: they make is that e-bikes can weigh as much as motorcycles.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: So if one of those e-bikes hits you as a
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: pedestrian or into your car, that could be potentially life-threatening.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: If it is that heavy, you are gone, especially if
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: you are an old, frail individual.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: You are absolutely gone.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: Now, I agree with your point that there are only
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: a small amount of people who are hoons.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I get that.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: But I think they should be treated like every single
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: motor vehicle on the road, given that there has been
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: an explosion in the amount of people using e-bikes in
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: the last couple of years.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: No, I think we don't need any more red tape.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I think the problem is that we burden everyone with
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: so much red tape and so much costing that we
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: don't need any more of it. But what we do
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: need is we need to have the identification plates. We
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: need to have stronger seizure powers. This is a case where, unfortunately,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the New South Wales government, particularly in New South Wales
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and successive other state governments.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Have basically waited.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Too long to do anything about these bikes. So now
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: they're everywhere and everyone has one.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: They've got them illegally. The kids can't even take them
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: to schools now. Most schools, most high schools, my.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Son's high school, they're told they're not allowed to bring
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: them because they're not allowed to have them.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: But we need better control of the bikes.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: That's what will fix this, not by taxing the person
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: who does the right thing.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: But then the burden becomes on police. But like any
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: other cycle. But then the burden becomes on police then to...
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: sort this out.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: If you're breaking the law by riding around on an
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: e-bike that doesn't fit... the government's regulations, then should you
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: not be done by police?
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: But remember a couple of months ago they were riding
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: on the Harbour Bridge?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: And then police, what could they do about it? You
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: had dozens of kids going across the Harbour Bridge.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: But this is why we need identification plates. It's why
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: we need identification plates.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: And this is something that the New South Wales Liberals
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: have been pushing, and I think it's a really smart idea,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: because then you know right away, police will be able
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to see right away whether it's a legal bike.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, look, probably, if anything, then I do think identification checks,
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: but I just think that if the burden is going
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: to then fall on police, when these bikes are accounting
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: for 40% of smashers right now, that's a hell of
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: a lot of smashers in the state, and I think
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: something needs to be done sooner rather than later.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to head to England now, where an
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: investigation has been launched into a surge of white prisoners
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: being converted to Islam by Muslim gangs.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: This is really interesting.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Muslim gangs forcing white.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: Prisoners to convert to Islam.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: So the Ministry of Justice data shows that one in
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: five Muslims in prisons in England and Wales is white.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: That's nearly four times the rate... of 5.8% in the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: general population. Now, I found this really interesting because there
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: is also, if you look into the data, there is
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a strong correlation between.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: There's more Muslim.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: People in the prisons as well. So it kind of
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: makes sense to me.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: And when we do look at this, you do see
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: quite often that there are a lot of prisoners.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Who are converted to different... sections of society. So you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: have people who are being converted to Christianity or the neo-Nazis.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: And a lot of it is to do with protectionism
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and to do with safety and how they're going to survive.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: So I don't think that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: This is as big of a worry as people are
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: making out. I think there's just a higher group of
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Muslim prisoners and then now they're just banding together.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Sorry, you say people are being converted to Christianity. Are
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: there Christian gangs going around prisons?
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Well, they're aligned with, like, the neo-Nazis. There's some Christian
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: gangs aligned with the neo-Nazis.
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  Speaker 7: OK.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I would have said they're two different things, but that
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: may well be true.
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: Um....
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: That being the case, do we not just have a problem, obviously,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: of religion?
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Whatever you're going to say, I'm going to say yes.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an issue of religion being conflated with gangs
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: in prisons. But is there not a concern, then, that
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: if you have a large Muslim population in prison... and
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: that is leading to other people being forced to convert
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: to Islam in prison. We've got a problem before they
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: even get to prison. Like, I'm not sure you can
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: just explain it away as, oh, well, there are other
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: religious gangs, therefore it's all fine that the Muslims are
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: doing it too. They're just joining in on everyone else's gang.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that washes.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I think it's a real issue in prisons generally. that
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: there's a radicalisation and a conversion for most people who
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: arrive in there because they're looking for safety.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: But to Islam?
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: To both, to either, to anything. I think there's religious
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: extremism everywhere.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: Well, I just think that this presents a bigger issue. One, obviously,
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: if there is a higher proportion of Muslim inmates, and
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: the question has to be asked, why is there a
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: higher proportion of Muslim inmates? Secondly, this is a country
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: in the UK built on Judeo-Christian values, and I think
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: it is highly concerning that you have got people being
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: forced to convert to Islam when religion should never be
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: forced upon a person. You should always, in my view,
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: when it comes to religion, be a willing person.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Participants in a religion.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: And I think that says perhaps more about where the
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: West is going. And I really, really am very concerned
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: about what this means for the future of the West
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: when you've got people being forced to convert to Islam
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: in jails. Even if they weren't in jails, if people
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: are being forced to convert to a religion, doesn't matter
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: which one, that we've got a very big problem in
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: a country built on Judeo-Christian values.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Look, I get what you're saying.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a bigger conversation to have about
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: what's happening outside of these jails. But I think inside
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the prison, you've got people who are.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Really fighting for their lives. So I think it's a
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: very different scenario.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, before we go to a break, I just want
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: to stay in the UK now. Did you know that
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: cousin marriages are still legal over there? I was pretty
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: shocked when I read about it too. But, yep, you
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: can have sexual relations with your cousin and you can
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: marry them, no problems. Now, Andy Burnham, the new Prime Minister,
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: is considering actually a law. saying that you can't marry
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: your first cousin. This is something that Keir Starmer didn't
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: want to touch because, of course, he was constantly pandering
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: to the Muslim vote and he didn't want to lose
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: the Muslim vote to the Green Party. But it's something
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: now that is being considered under this new Labor government.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: But it's so bad over there that a migrant has
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: been allowed to stay in the UK after marrying her
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: first cousin because, basically, she is married to him. Now,
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: there had been concerns that she was just marrying him
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: to stay in the UK. She had initially been refused
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: asylum because the Home Office did believe that she only
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: married him so she could join her husband in the
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: UK and be granted marriage status. And the Conservatives are
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: up in arms about it.
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: Given cases like this, where it's quite clear to me
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: that first cousin marriage is now being used as a
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: way to try and bypass the normal immigration system, it's
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: pretty clear to me that we need to act more swiftly.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: Than that Now, she was apparently married to her first
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: cousin in a custom Islamic marriage.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Well, I would say, you.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: Know, if it is a part of your culture that
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: you want to marry in an Islamic marriage with your
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: first cousin, then go off and do that in countries
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: that allow it.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Do not do this in a place like the UK.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: But government after government have allowed this to happen because
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: they're so scared of being called racist or so scared
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: of being called a bigot.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: And are constantly pandering to.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: Votes instead of their own, instead of putting values before votes.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: And it just goes to the exact same argument that
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: we've just had before about the issues of the prisons.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: But interestingly enough, Australia, you can also marry your first
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: cousin as well.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: It's just no one does.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I get it. It's just no one does.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. Yeah. And you've got 55% 2021
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: study found of Pakistani Britons marry their first cousins. And
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: there's plenty of evidence that that children born from first
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: cousin marriages suffer defects and problems at a higher rate
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: than the rest of the population does. I just don't
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: understand how that is still legal in a modern society.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: After the break, we'll get into the papers. On the
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: front of the odds tomorrow, apparently Tony Burke, he now
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: has a plan for migration. Would you believe it? We'll
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: tell you some of the details after this. All right,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: let's get stuck into tomorrow's news tonight, starting with the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Australian Tomorrow, where it says, Study Breaks Are Over, ALP's
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Migration Plan. All right, what have we got here? Exclusive
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: on the front of the Oz. It says, Anthony Albanese
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: is close to finalising an immigration crackdown, headlined by new
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: restrictions on international students and their family members, a six-month
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: limit on visitor visas, moves to stop students shifting courses
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and a clamp on onshore visa applications. Amid pressure from
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: One Nation for the Albanese government to slash record post-pandemic
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: migration levels by reducing international students and removing overstayers, the
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister and Home Affairs Minister, Tony Burke, are expected
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to unveil Labor's immigration overhaul within weeks. Oh, well, remember
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: it was meant to be a couple of weeks ago
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: at the National Press Club. The government's plan to achieve
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: its net overseas migration forecasts is understood to include detailed
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: quarterly Cabinet updates explaining the how new measures are driving
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: down the NOM, the Net Overseas Migration, and assessments of
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: impacts they may have on the economy or relationships with
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: international partners. And it says there, if we just keep
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the front page up there for a moment, it's got
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: a little graphic there with that image, which, by the way,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: is Tony Burke holding a high-powered weapon, talking to the
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Defence Force and the Border Force. You know, here comes
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Tony Burke to blast you out of the country. LAUGHTER
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: But it says they're restricting most temporary visa holders from
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: applying for a student visa while on shore, banning current
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: student visa holders shifting from higher education to vocational education courses,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: tightening eligibility rules for family member student visas, reducing the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: e-visitor visa and electronic travel authority for tourists from 12
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: months to six months, and quarterly updates to Cabinet regulations.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: on total migration numbers. Do we think this will make
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: a material difference, Danika?
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: No, I don't think so, because there have already been
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: record numbers under Labor. And if you actually look at
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: the budget papers, the net overseas migration number isn't due
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: to come down until the next election.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Surprise, surprise. We'll have another citizenship tour of Australia. So
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: two things I'm curious about. One is the NOM.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: What are they going to put the overseas migration figure at?
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: That'll be very, very key because Labor has not achieved
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: not one of its immigration targets.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: And two, notice in this there's.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: No mention about any sort of banning people from countries
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: that are terror hotspots because Labor doesn't want to get
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: involved in that.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: So what is going to change?
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and look, with Labor, as always, the devil will
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: be in the detail.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Look, the quarterly updates to Cabinet, don't they love a
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: talk fest? They love standing up there and saying, we're
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: doing this and we're doing that, and really nothing gets done.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: So, look, I think this is going to be a
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: whole bunch of nothing.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Yep, I couldn't agree more. Have a look at the Northern...
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: Territory news now. No special treatment MP steps down from
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: special envoy roles. Solomon MP Luke Gosling has temporarily stepped
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: down from his roles. as Special Envoy for Defence, Veterans
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: Affairs and Northern Australia after being charged with breach of bail. Well,
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: you know, the allegations have been swirling against him now
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: for weeks. The timing would have been right weeks ago
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: to step down while an investigation takes place for the
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: Prime Minister to enforce this. And now that he's been charged,
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: of course, innocent until proven guilty, but now that he's
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: been charged, he's gone, I'd better step down. What a
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: chonky look that is.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: But it's frankly ridiculous that it's taken this long and
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister didn't intervene at some point. I mean,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: as you say... the courts will decide on these matters. Now,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: of course, he's accused of breaching his bail. But even
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: his ability to do his job as a result of
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the bail conditions... Like, he can't go within 15 metres
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: of the administrator of the Northern Territory and they would
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: be going to the same functions all the time. Absolutely.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: And it's believed that the cause of this latest breach
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: of bail, alleged breach of bail, is because they were
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: both at the cricket. So, you know, I... I just
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: don't understand how it's taken this long for him to
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: step down or for the Prime Minister to make him
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: step down.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: It's just so laughable. He should have stepped down right away.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, regardless of whether you're innocent, guilty, I mean,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: of course we have to wait and let the courts decide,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: but he should have 100% stepped down because he can't
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: really do his due diligence.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Let's go to the.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Herald Sun now, where, and I love this, final rail
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: in the coffin.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Well done, Herald Sun, well done.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Suburban looper dupe calls to axe divisive project after watchdog
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: exposes disgraceful secret tax on Victorian commuters. Now, the Andrews
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and Allen governments discussed on multiple occasions whether to come
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: clean with Victorians about a public transport levy it secretly
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: introduced to help fund the SRL, but chose each time
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to keep the new fund concealed.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Now, of course, doesn't this wreak Victoria? Like, if anything
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: was going to rig Victoria, this is it. They chose
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: to always, always conceal everything. Look at COVID.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Look at Dan Andrews, or as I like to call him,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Teflon Dan.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: He concealed, he lied, he delayed, he obfuscated.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: This is a tactic of the Victorian government time and
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: time again.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: And attacks, of course. What could be more Victorian than that?
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: More Victorian and more Labor.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: And then just to cap off, adult time, teen freed.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: The first teen sentenced under the new adult time for
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: violent crime laws after holding a knife to the throat
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: of a taxi driver in a terrifying carjacking has walked
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: free from court without spending a.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: Day behind bars.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: The girl was offered an 18-month youth supervision order despite
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: pleading guilty to aggravated carjacking, which carries a maximum penalty
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: of life in prison.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Again, another.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: another Victorian law, another Victorian day, another way Victoria can
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: just really not get it right.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: How can you have, you know, adult time, adult crime,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: or as they called it down there, adult time for
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: violent crime, because I think they'd already used the adult crime,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: adult time thing up in Queensland. So you've got to
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: be a little bit different than the Christopher Lee government. But,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, what an abject failure.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: What message does it send to alleged perpetrators? Zero. Keep going.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Keep doing your thing. You'll never get caught.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: No. Indeed. While we're talking about crime, on the front
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: of the Courier Mail tomorrow, no more revolving door. Serial
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: offenders and paedophiles will have to prove that they deserve
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: bail in a major overhaul of the judicial system. New
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: laws to deliver Premier David Christofoli's breach bail go to
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: jail crackdown. Another little slogan there. To be introduced today,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: alleged offenders who commit a serious offense will face a
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: higher threshold to be freed on bail again. Under the plan,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: a court should refuse bail unless it has high confidence
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: the offender will not commit another serious offense while on bail.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Adults charged with a coercive control of child sex offense
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: will also have to prove they deserve bail, and fair enough. Good.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Almost the most extraordinary part of all of this is
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that no-one's really thought of it before.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: No, absolutely.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: And I will say, as soon as Christopher Foley took over,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: crime in that state has levelled out, it has gone down,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and I think he's done an exceptional job because there
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: was real issues in Queensland before this.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Good plan, good move. Let's look at the Daily Telegraph now.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: Build and be damned. The 2026 Bush summit got off
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: to a fiery start yesterday with One Nation MP Barnaby
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: Joyce attacking the government for shoring up green votes with
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: over-regulation of the Murray Darling and belligerence in refusing to
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: build dams. The coalition has used the summit to announce
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: it will deliver 120,000 new homes to rural and remote
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: Australia this If elected and a picture of a lovely
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: family there, the Hegarty family on their Hunter Valley farm
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: where it's a battle to get mobile and internet, really
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: important conversations taking place this week.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Aren't those some cute-looking kids?
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: They are little cute, little country kids, very, very cute.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: And you know what?
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: These are really important conversations to have because it's tough
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: out there.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: On the farm.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: And I just want to mention this one here, a
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: not-so-tidy 250K ICAC, former Premier Dominic Perrottet's sister-in-law, earned more.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Than $ 250, 000.
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: For three months of consultancy work, giving oral advice to
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: a lobbyist embroiled at the centre of a corruption probe.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: But under repeated questioning, Anita Perrottet struggled to explain what
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: work she actually did or how the invoices were calculated
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: or why the amounts changed.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Another contract idea.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Here we go again.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. After the break, as we said earlier, Dolly Parton,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: of course, died overnight at the age of 80. We'll
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: pay tribute and talk about our favourite songs from Dolly Parton.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: after the twist. All right, let's get into some of
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the strangest stories of the day. What have you got
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: for us, Danika?
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, how would you like to be upside down on
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: a joyride or a theme park for 30 minutes hanging
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: upside down? No thank you. But two teenagers over in
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: the US in Oregon have won a lawsuit after that's
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: exactly what happened to them. Here they were on the
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: Atmosphere at Oaks Amusement Park in 2024 when the ride malfunctioned.
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: They were all suspended upside down like that for 30
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: minutes and they have just won $ 550, 000.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: $ 50, 000.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: Awarded by a US jury. They were 13 and 14
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: at the time.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: I don't blame them.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: I'd be traumatised.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: I would never go on a ride again.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think I'd want to be hanging upside down
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: for anything.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: $ 550, 000, though. You could buy a home. You could buy
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: a home. You could buy a home, Caleb.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: You could buy many homes with that sort of deposit.
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  Speaker 2: That's a fair old payer. That's not bad. They've got
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: one of those at Luna Park here in Sydney. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Have you been on it?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: No, I've not been.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: You don't strike me as a ride person.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Well, not that much, no. I'm fine with a ride.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: Do you like a teacup?
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Have you been on the teacups?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: No, bloody teacups. No, I've been on the other stuff
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: at Luna Park. Like what? I don't know what they're called.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: You've been on the bumper cars. OK, we knew it.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: He's been on the flying swings, everyone. Caleb's at least
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: been on the flying swings. You come with me. Do
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: you go on that ride?
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, same. Yeah, I would.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: I've been on it.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: I've done a few in Perth at the Adventure Park there, yeah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Do you enjoy it?
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: I don't love it, but, yeah, I've done it, yeah.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: We live on the edge over here.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: That's right. Over here.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: Well, this is one of my favourite stories, I have
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: to say. When I saw this vision, I was intrigued.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: This new video has shown what they're dubbing as mole people,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: so three people climbing out of a manhole cover in
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: New York. it's just near Penn Station. So a tree
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: of headlamp-wearing mall people was filmed popping up out of
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: a manhole near Manhattan's bustling Penn Station in the early
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: hours of the morning, according to a new clip. Now,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: a video posted to TikTok has captured the three men
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: clad in the headlamps. hurriedly pulling themselves out and running away.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: It was taken around 4am in New York, and I've
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: got to say, I want to know what's down there.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: They've got the waiters on as well. Like, what are
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: they searching for?
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: What is down there? What is that? What's underground?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Look, you can go on your rides and maybe you
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: can go and have a look underground and see what's
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: in the manholes as well. Now, of course, we have
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: to note, that Dolly Parton, of course, the legendary singer.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Icon is a word that I do not use very often,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: and in fact I was told as a cadet not
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: to use it, but I think if there is anyone
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: that you can apply icon to, it is Dolly Parton.
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, Jolene Oh, I'm thinking of you Please
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  Speaker 9: don't take my man Working nights.
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  Speaker 2: And my favourite, Coat of Many Colours.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Although we had no money I was rich as I
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: could be In my coat of many colours Mama made for.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Me What about you two, Danika? What do you like?
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I like, here you come again. Oh, yeah.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Looking better than a buddy has the right to. And
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: a real icon.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Michelle?
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it was always Jolene. Jolene always got
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: me up on the dance floor. I still get up
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and dance to it now. But you also, did you
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: know that she has a secret song that is at
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Dolly World and it's in.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: it's hidden away?
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: It will be released.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: It will be coming out posthumously.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: Yes, it will be coming out posthumously.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us tonight. Up next, the Rita
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Panahy show. And stay tuned at midnight on Late Edition.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Harry and Meghan have now arrived in the UK. We'll
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: have all the latest for you.