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Random Heathen Ramblings: S3, EP33 - Building Worth Through Adversity (feat. Patrick Walsh) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Party started kids are coughing. Love it.
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  Yeah. It's really good.
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  Ambience background. You got the Crickets.
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  We got the, we got the the birds and we got children with the
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  whooping cough? Yeah.
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  Bronchitis sounds like it. So guys, welcome to another
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  random even ramblings podcast with me and Patrick Walsh in
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  person. For the very first time, he's
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  been on the podcast the number of times before, but today is
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  his first in And he's here with me in Tennessee where at the
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  case in Trailhead for the MTH. Park moved later on today.
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  So I'm excited to have you here man.
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  No. Damn.
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  Happy to be here. Yeah, so we're going to be
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  talking about, I mean, who knows what we're going to be talking
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  about, but I think I have a feeling.
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  We're going to be talking a little bit about one of your
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  recent experiences with seeing hilum.
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  Yeah, that was quite the experience.
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  Yes. Oh, so give us a rundown from I
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  guess. The start of it all to getting
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  there to the, to the, to the ritual to get leaving on me.
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  Just give us a whole experience run down while I like this pipe.
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  Absolutely. So, I first saw them back in
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  January 2020, and It was definitely a very intense
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  experience at the venue there, probably about, yay.
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  Big out in the distance and then After that song again and Red
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  Rocks who Colorado and couldn't think more better than you and
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  the atmosphere. I mean Colorado nuff said.
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  And then most recently, I saw them again in Chicago.
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  Fortunately, not in January, were, is Supple.
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  Oh, freezing temperatures, the venue was pretty decent.
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  And I had a one of the first people to arrive at the venue,
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  which is a huge bonus, and first in line.
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  Yeah, and actually friends with some of the members via Facebook
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  and I had the privilege of meeting up with a couple of them
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  prior to the performance and cool.
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  And then a little bit afterwards, really got to meet
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  most if not all the members of high long after the The show and
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  hung out with them and stuff. Yes.
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  Hung out them and an after party and that was very surreal to
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  say, the very least. I mean just being in the company
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  of such incredible people and it's just like meeting, you
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  know, people you've always wanted to meet and yeah, never
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  imagined that to happen. So the experience I mean you've
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  obviously been a fan for a while.
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  We've talked about just the whole You know, it's more than
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  just music and it's more than just a concert.
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  It's yeah, it's ceremony. It's like a ritual in everybody
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  that I've talked to everybody that, you know, that you see on
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  social media talking about it and talking about the
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  experience, exactly say the same thing, like there's almost
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  unequivocally like it's an experience.
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  It's a ritual that ceremonial and Highland really Embraces
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  that as well, like, it's not just what their fans and
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  followers and what not think. Like it's actually what the
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  band. Just for it's not it's a ritual
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  and they call their caller things rituals.
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  You know, it's not come out to our concert come out to our
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  show, it's come to my show. What's the what's the if you
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  could? I don't know.
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  Maybe like summarized in one word, what it feels like to be
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  at a Highland ritual. Healing.
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  Comforting. And yes being with yet it's as
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  being in a state of our ritual. A state of mind where you
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  couldn't, you know, commune with yourself and then the higher
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  Powers be it, you know, the gods or whatever you choose to
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  believe it. Yeah.
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  Is it a pretty mixed crowd of? I mean that you can meet people
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  and know people like you get. They have a very strong obvious
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  Germanic and northern European aesthetic to, you know, it's a
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  pretty General crowd. I mean, you have people who come
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  dressed for the occasion, you know, and ritual garbs for So,
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  people just walk around this, a regular band shirt, you know?
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  On this instance players like that.
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  Now my know. I mean it's twitch the ROM, you
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  know, so people go for entertainment and more so than
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  not most people go for, as you mention and experience.
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  And that's exactly what they offer.
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  Yeah. I've thought about going, a
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  number of times, this is like, what?
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  Their third return visit to the states, I believe.
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  So, something like that. Yeah.
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  I'm glad for it because they obviously have a very dedicated
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  following worldwide. Yeah.
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  But so I'm hoping that, you know, the next, the next
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  go-around I'll try to make make that he's definitely, definitely
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  busy year, just for that type of music.
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  I mean I know or through nose is coming here next month, I think.
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  Yeah, I'll be seeing them and Chicago.
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  Again, you're going up to see that's my first time seeing
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  them. So I'm excited about that.
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  It's going to be interesting and like dick.
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  Here because I'm, you know, it's kind of along the same lines of
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  music but a different like I know.
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  Ours is a much different energy hopeless and energy abscess in
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  the whole thing. But very rooted in Tradition,
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  very rooted in, you know, the healing nature of music and song
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  and whatnot. I think that's a lot of what you
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  know people are needing nowadays is ways to heal through
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  varieties of things challenges. Life events, you know, last week
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  when we had when I talked about the letting things go, right?
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  How we, you know, the things that we find that we can use to
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  help us let go, right? The things that kind of honestly
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  fill a hole or fill a gap, but when you let go of something
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  you're losing something, you know, your it's you're done with
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  it now. So what do you do to replace
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  that with you fall into, you know, destructive habits,
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  destructive behaviors these? Do you, or do you find things
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  that are wholesome and hewing? And I think stuff like, you
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  know, The music is definitely a tool that can be leveraged for
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  for that sort of thing. What do you think?
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  I couldn't agree more. I mean, Music is always been a
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  very big part of my life, whether it be for inspiration
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  for ritualistic practices or you know, more often not with other
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  bands, you know? Just entertainment.
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  Yeah. And now we're out here.
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  Healing ourselves today with other people.
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  You know? So Community I think is a big
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  part of healing as well. Absolutely.
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  And again, you know, you can sit and listen to music by yourself,
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  but going to those events going to those rituals going to, those
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  serums takes it to a whole different level elevators.
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  What thing, you know, seeing them on YouTube the, you know, a
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  video such as this, but to be there in person, it is it really
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  amplifies it and that's something that, you know, that
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  I've been willing to travel Outside the state B, it Illinois
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  or the lovely state of Colorado and now jump at the chance of
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  going there. Any chance I get?
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  Yeah, yeah. And that's like a, that's a
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  ritual in itself. I think to like, or it's
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  ceremonial in a way because, you know, you're taking or you
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  taking yourself out of your comfort zone.
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  You know, you're leaving a place that you're familiar with, and
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  you're going to someplace new that you've never been or that
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  is foreign to you. And, you know, there's, there's
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  always a level, I think, no matter.
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  You know, I've traveled so much over over the years, but every
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  place you go that's near. There's this always this level
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  of like, well, where do I go? What do I do?
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  You know there's the, you know, maybe some anxiety?
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  Yeah, the sense of adventure, as well.
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  Yeah. And that's what I'm saying is
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  like, you can, you know, some people are terrified by that,
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  you know, some people don't want to leave their their own
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  backyards. And I feel like, you know, when
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  you, when you Get stuck in that level of isolation from the
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  world. You're doing yourself an
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  injustice. Yeah seems to service.
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  Yeah, exactly. I mean sometimes it really goes
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  payoff to go outside your realm of comfort more often.
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  Not that I had to find myself having to force myself to do,
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  you know? Because I was like, I suffer
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  from depression and there are many times where I just want to
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  sit in my room and just watch, you know, various different TV
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  shows. But I We'll push myself to go
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  outside. Whether it be a park or around
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  my neighborhood and nine out of ten times, you know, I'm out
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  doing that activity and I just find myself in a much more
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  positive headspace. And this, that's a very
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  important in the state of mental health.
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  Because if you're stuck alone in a room, you're not doing
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  yourself too much of a certain you get caught at yourself.
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  You get caught inside yourself, exactly right.
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  And that's not always the best place to be.
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  Yeah. I think, when we Push ourselves
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  outside of our comfort zones. And you know, when I used to go
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  to like the gym all the time, like there were plenty of times
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  that I was like, I don't feel like it.
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  I don't want to go, I don't want to do it, you know?
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  But I pushed myself to go do it and then feel great for doing
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  all really does pay off. You know, you may not think like
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  you're going to be okay with it in the moment.
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  But when you actually go and push yourself past that
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  threshold, push push yourself, push yourself past that level of
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  comfort, you're going to be glad you did from you.
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  Often find herself, you know. He more adventures and more
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  experiences, you know, to elevate that sense of
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  accomplishment. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Because it does it sets a tone
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  and you know like huh? Wow, the next time I don't feel
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  like doing something. Look what I have to look forward
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  to. Exactly can push myself because
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  I've done it before and now I know that in the in the moment I
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  may not enjoy it but the experience I will and you know,
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  you learn something from it. Well, it's a lot.
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  Like when I came to drive down here And the shenanigans that
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  followed me. Ye talk about that a bit.
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  Yeah, that was that's quite the story.
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  So I started driving down here and at first, all was well,
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  weather was fine. My car at the time was okay.
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  But then when I reached about, I think it was like 150 miles away
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  from here, you're still good ways away.
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  Yeah, my accelerator wasn't really working that.
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  Well, so when you're driving down a highway originally, 80
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  miles per hour or 75 and then Starts to go down to 60 and 55
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  and you're pushing the gas and nothing's working.
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  Yeah. And then the sense of anxiety
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  that flew through my or flooded. Through my veins was almost
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  unbearable. Yeah.
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  But I still wasn't deterred and I still carried a hope and, you
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  know, an effort to push on. And t m, not give up.
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  You have to and it was thinking cases.
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  I mean, what are you gonna do? You can't just say, well, the
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  scale-up can't just give up and its really 150 miles away from
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  me, but you're also however, many hundreds of miles away from
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  where you started. So, yeah, it's like I either.
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  You gotta do something. Man, it's important not to you
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  make it happen. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  And that's another thing too with like, Healing, is that your
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  healing comes into a lot of different ways.
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  And quite often times it comes through the challenges and
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  adversities that we endure. Absolutely, we might think on,
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  man. I can't, I can't, I can't deal
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  with this anymore or it's too tough.
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  No, this is part of it. This is part of the experience.
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  This is part of what we have to go through to, you know, I've
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  heard it said and I definitely agree that adversity, ordeal it
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  breeds. Earth.
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  It's the thing that makes us worth while and and worthy and
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  worth something among our communities are our friends, our
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  families, right? If we haven't been pushed and we
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  haven't been challenged And if life is just always so good and
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  so cushy. Right?
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  Like what are you work? You haven't been Testing and
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  testing yeah you haven't put to the test I like that you haven't
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  tested with a lot of the Pharisees.
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  It's ultimately up to ourselves to let it make us or break us
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  and it's you know it's easier said than done, there will be
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  days that you're a person he's will kick your ass but then
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  there are days that you'll find you know whatever battles and
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  victories you can you know yeah not every day is going to be you
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  know sunshine and gumdrops. Well I think that's the that's
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  the whole point is it's you You need to get we need to get our
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  asses kicked. Sometimes it's very it's a
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  humbling experience and you can't have the good without the
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  bad otherwise you wouldn't be able to tell one from the other.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  If you can see if it's all just sunshine and gumdrops you know
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  if we today if here's a classic example of challenges or
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  adversary like a minor thing, what were you saying earlier
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  about if it's what's that phrase that kind of a running joke that
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  you were saying you have hobby too convenient to convenient,
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  right? So today That.
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  Yes, you convenient it, Patrick didn't have any issues getting
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  here, then that would just be too.
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  That's too easy. Yeah.
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  If we today didn't have issues with the place because this this
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  pot here, this Pavilion here is not the not our first choice.
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  First Choice. We had we were going to be at
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  Barfield Crescent. And I'll be honest, I didn't we
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  didn't get up early enough and I'll put that blame on me
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  because I did, I thought we can get there about 8:00, 8:30, I
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  got up at six, you obviously, so he was writing rare.
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  Don't want to wake you up. Yeah, don't be disturbed.
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  Yeah, I feel ya but that's my fault.
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  You know I should have actually gotten there much earlier but we
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  tried a few different options over there and you know got
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  halfway unpacking they're like hey in a nice way like you can't
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  be here because they had other things Reserve you know they had
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  other things going on volkers. Yeah I kind of wanted to stay
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  for that. I'm like that was rather
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  interesting actual vultures here but I mean they're all over the
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  place anyway so yeah. But yes, so they had that going
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  on, we had a out of, you know, thinking our feet and with
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  places like this. You know, you never know what
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  time of day when you show up, if it's a birthday party, or
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  graduation or family gathering, family get-together or, you
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  know, somebody celebrating. Their, they got peach fuzz on
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  their nuts or something. I mean, who knows, maybe, you
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  know, could be a bunch of things but if they're here and they say
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  claim to that spot, then it's off limits and that's what we
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  ran into earlier. So I'm like, well, shit.
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  Now, what do we do? And now here we are and this is
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  actually probably a better setup than what we would have had at
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  Barfield. Because I think if people show
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  up today that we expect to show up, we're going to need more
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  seats. Thankfully, we've got dozens of
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  tables here and you know, in a couple hours and people start
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  showing up, hopefully we don't run into any.
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  Other hiccups in the road. But again, it's that challenge
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  aspect. It's that to put you to the
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  test. Now, you got level of excitement
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  as well. Yeah.
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  Does it adds like, oh boy, you no sense of adventure.
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  I was like, are gonna stop by and potentially call the cops.
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  I doubt it be that, I don't think so, but they might, you
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  know, you never know though that this place is reserved show me
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  where because we looked around, there's no signs.
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  You know, there's no signs here that's a reserved for some so on
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  a certain date and so, I like, well, if it ain't signed up and
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  it's not showing it then I guess it's Last week when I was
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  talking about letting go, I don't have the audio for it for
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  you guys to listen to here today.
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  But I got a call from a guy out in Idaho, so Crow from the
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  deathlanders. He's a go, the I think of for a
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  group out in the death, death lands of Idaho as I recall but
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  he listens to the podcast. If you're listening, thank you
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  for your voice mail. I got it.
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  But the the hole That that topic of Letting Go really touched a
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  lot of people. Like I got a lot of comments on
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  it. On different platforms, you
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  know, crow called in you obviously I think you were
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  listening to it, either on your train ride, but there or back to
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  Chicago or letting go. I was actually down at my Lake.
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  Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
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  Walking around the lake and that's an interesting thing to
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  mention because you had sent me a picture. the Heron and has a
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  lot of people know from the content that I share River,
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  walks are like my thing and have become a very regular activity
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  and a lot of times when I'm in the river, I'll be in the
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  presence or see herons or a heron and it's become kind of
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  like a companion of sorts to me and You know, I've talked about
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  the Heron and depth with other people.
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  That phone call from my wife. Hello.
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  A recording a podcast. You want to be on it.
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  I'll put you on speaker. Heron.
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  Yeah, the Heron wife didn't want to be on the podcast by the way,
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  then she normally doesn't, but she called she's on vacation
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  talk to me for a little bit. But anyway the Heron back to
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  that story so being like that companion being that God.
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  Yeah. Like it like it like a spirit
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  guide in a way because my experience is with the hair and
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  you know, it's like you're not going to get exceptionally close
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  because they are wild animals and they're skittish but getting
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  so close to them when Can is like, we're watching each other,
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  we're observing each other and I've had, you know, them fly
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  over me in the river. They've purchased the trees
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  above and can't just watch me do my thing.
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  And The the the ties that I have to like some of my Native
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  American Heritage which believe it or not, I do.
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  I don't look it per se, but I've got Algonquin which I know is a
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  pretty like generic term of those tribes of people.
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  There's a lot of different tribes that fall under the
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  Algonquin Nation, but there are a lot of the Indian tribes that
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  up in like the Northeast are Closest to close to close to
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  Marsha saltwater, marshes, freshwater, marshes.
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  And so the Heron is obviously a marsh water bird and it feels
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  like to me, you know, and maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
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  But for me, it feels like it's a an ancestor on that side.
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  And so I've perceived the Heron to be a sort of familiar or
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  philia or fetch. When you sent that picture of
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  the Heron, I'm getting the Nets. What I was getting to is when
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  you sent that picture of the Heron, you encountered that
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  creature. After I had gone to the river
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  myself, like I had gone to the river earlier that day and you
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  were then inspired to go out to the lake and you were listening
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  to the podcast and the when you went out to the lake that was
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  It's like the day before. Yep.
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  They my departure before you left it was Thursday.
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  Yep. And I looked at that and I don't
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  know if I told you this but I looked at that and I perceive
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  that as subconsciously like I had no intention of going to the
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  river and doing this. But without me, even trying to
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  the energy that the the the purpose going to the river, the
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  intent, everything. Just the intention of it all.
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  Moved that Spirit to you and the the guide that my filia came to
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  you without me trying to, and you saw the hair and it to you,
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  that the moment it was a hand. But to me, I see that as Like a
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  sign for you to know that you're going to go and your trips going
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  to be. Prosperous.
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  Yep. It's going to be a good trip and
• 22:26
  with the challenges that came along the way so far, it has
• 22:31
  been. Yep.
• 22:32
  That has like, you got here yesterday, because we're
• 22:35
  recording now, it's a Saturday. He got here yesterday afternoon.
• 22:39
  Originally, I supposed to get here at like 155 and then I had
• 22:44
  to stop the car several times to let it cool off.
• 22:47
  Yeah, throw. It's a little temper tantrum.
• 22:49
  Yeah. And then then there's the issue
• 22:51
  of my battery but I did. Mention that yeah, you're of
• 22:54
  course your phone battery. I made the mistake of listening
• 22:56
  to music via my phone on YouTube and played that for about four
• 23:02
  hours. And I realized very quickly
• 23:05
  yeah, I drained it very quickly and I was probably about 10%
• 23:10
  battery. When I was driving to your house
• 23:13
  and now it's here to death that you know.
• 23:15
  I'm also relying on GPS here for my phone.
• 23:18
  So if that goes it is I'm SOL. SOL.
• 23:22
  Yeah. And I was even telling him, I'm
• 23:25
  like maybe stop somewhere and get a car charger, you know,
• 23:28
  like a lot of gas stations will have and that'll fit the phone,
• 23:32
  but I've I was like, well, if your feet because if you as long
• 23:36
  as you get on xy0 like as long as you get on that road, I'll be
• 23:39
  out here waiting for you. I was I was like in case the
• 23:41
  phone died and you couldn't call me.
• 23:42
  I'm like I'll be right out here. You'll see me and for you know
• 23:45
  sure enough he did got here we got you settled in went down to
• 23:50
  the river later that night got a Dubai bunch of mosquitoes
• 23:52
  because it's you That time of year.
• 23:56
  I'm going to go back to the river, we're going to go back to
• 23:58
  the river tomorrow during the day and probably get in the
• 24:01
  water and do some river. Walk in and see what we can see.
• 24:04
  And so grounding, yep, not be bringing bug spray it this time.
• 24:08
  Yeah, once you get in the water, believe it or not, the bugs.
• 24:11
  Like they'll be bugs around like, dragonflies and stuff.
• 24:14
  That fly over the water, but I've never had any major issues
• 24:16
  with bugs should have brought some bug spray today.
• 24:20
  Now what have been a little too convenient?
• 24:22
  Little bit to get. We go again.
• 24:23
  Right? Would have been telling you.
• 24:24
  It's everywhere you go. It'll happen.
• 24:26
  If we got to roll with the punches you do and we've
• 24:30
  definitely had some punches to roll it but nothing to like
• 24:33
  earth-shattering nothing to now you know, very minor in most
• 24:36
  part but again it gets those things that you just constantly
• 24:40
  need to be reminded of that. It's if it's too easy and you
• 24:42
  can you get too complacent you know having exactly you don't
• 24:47
  remember those moments know? They don't stick in your mind as
• 24:51
  an important Mark in the road of an important Milestone.
• 24:56
  We've had this happen to with our try before where you know,
• 24:59
  we were going to cut up firewood for an event.
• 25:03
  I forget, which might have been like Seger blow or something.
• 25:08
  I don't know. We're cutting up firewood and we
• 25:10
  thought, well, we'll go out here.
• 25:11
  We'll make short work of this. That way we can have more time
• 25:13
  to like, Party or drink or do whatever we want to do before
• 25:17
  the night before the ceremony. We were going to bring a
• 25:20
  chainsaw out there to cut all the wood up chainsaw wouldn't
• 25:24
  start of course tried every which way you know, check
• 25:27
  gastric filters did this clean it out.
• 25:30
  Spent like, 20 minutes, trying to get that stupid things,
• 25:32
  start, and it wouldn't. So, it was back to axes and
• 25:35
  saws. And, you know, we were out there
• 25:37
  just busting our butts for hours cutting up firewood.
• 25:39
  But again, we were able to enjoy the fire and so much more
• 25:45
  Because we are reaping the benefits of the work that we put
• 25:49
  in, you know, the sweat exertion of energy, you know, all of that
• 25:54
  stuff. Being that would have that.
• 25:56
  You wouldn't have thought you sure.
• 25:57
  Yeah. Couldn't things that would
• 25:57
  chain. Saws aren't easy.
• 26:00
  But when you're talking about, you know, fire for all night,
• 26:03
  like you got to cut a lot of wood and then when you're when
• 26:05
  you're swinging an axe for hours or sawing with a hand saw four
• 26:10
  hours, like you're worn out, by the end of it, all you want to
• 26:13
  do is just sit down and relax. That's all Oh, very humbling
• 26:16
  experience when you see firsthand just what our
• 26:20
  ancestors had to go through like yesterday when I was driving
• 26:23
  down here. Mean I obviously didn't have
• 26:24
  cars, they didn't have maps and have anything.
• 26:29
  I mean they have this, the stars and the Sun and that was pretty
• 26:33
  much it and it made me really appreciate the amenities and
• 26:38
  technology that we have today to make this a lot more easy to
• 26:43
  accomplish. Yeah, it's a good like paying
• 26:47
  homage to our ancestors by doing the things that We take for
• 26:53
  granted, you know, heard a lot of people.
• 26:59
  Make mention of, you know how what have you done to earn your
• 27:02
  life? What have you done to earn your
• 27:03
  next meal? Because we are we live in the
• 27:05
  time now. Where if I'm hungry I just get
• 27:08
  in my car and go to the drive-through.
• 27:09
  Exactly go to the grocery store and pick up ingredients to cook.
• 27:14
  They're still people nowadays, modern modern-day primitive
• 27:17
  tribes that. If they're hungry, they got to
• 27:20
  go catch the hunter-gatherer. Yeah, I got a fish, they got a
• 27:24
  harvest. It from the ground.
• 27:25
  That gotta go get it. And most people nowadays, don't
• 27:30
  understand that struggle. Now, they don't understand that
• 27:33
  in order to eat, you have to work.
• 27:36
  So I think it's an important message for people, now, to
• 27:40
  you'll have a much better quality of life.
• 27:41
  You'll feel so much better if you put in the work to obtain.
• 27:47
  What it is that you want, right? If I'm hungry, I want to eat.
• 27:50
  Okay, well, what have I done to earn it?
• 27:52
  I just woke up today. So what have I done?
• 27:55
  Listen up my debit card. Yeah.
• 27:58
  I put in some physical put in some effort, you know, I mean,
• 28:00
  go out for a walk, go do some push-ups.
• 28:02
  I don't know something that you can simulate as that's tracking
• 28:09
  or yeah, exactly. It should be a very enriching
• 28:12
  experience Out. Imagine to for all those people
• 28:15
  who hunt for their food, for example, like deer or elk or
• 28:20
  what have you. Yeah, I mean shoot, have you
• 28:23
  ever gone hunting? No, I would like to someday.
• 28:26
  Yeah. Fight now.
• 28:27
  Days. It's a little bit, nothing
• 28:28
  different, but like I've hunted deer.
• 28:31
  I've hunted turkeys, of course, I've gone fishing your fished
• 28:37
  ever gone. Of course fishing.
• 28:38
  Yeah, Savage, I had a pretty decent upbringing and fishing
• 28:43
  was definitely part of that. Not crazy about it.
• 28:47
  I mean, I'll do it with a couple beers, maybe?
• 28:51
  Yeah. Really through a case of beer in
• 28:53
  the boat and I'm not a very patient person either so you can
• 28:56
  ask any of my friends. Severe.
• 28:57
  Yeah he can't wait for ship but yeah, that's the that's the
• 29:01
  other thing too is like when you're hunting or fishing or any
• 29:04
  sort of game, you know, activity like that.
• 29:07
  You you have to have patience because a deer is not just going
• 29:10
  to walk across your path. A turkey is not just going to
• 29:12
  land in your lap of fishes and vision of jump in your boat or
• 29:15
  in your net. Like you gotta wait it out.
• 29:17
  You gotta, first of all, look for the signs.
• 29:19
  Are you don't just You're not going to throw a fishing line
• 29:23
  into a swimming pool because obviously that's not where the
• 29:25
  fish are at. You need to know where to go for
• 29:27
  the thing that you're trying to get you need to read the signs
• 29:31
  of nature around you to know That what you're going after is
• 29:36
  accessible and available to you there.
• 29:38
  So, again, it's a whole thing, man.
• 29:40
  It's a whole mood. It's a whole ceremony and
• 29:43
  itself. And then when you do, you know,
• 29:47
  capture your prey when you, when you killed your deer turkey or
• 29:52
  you caught your fish, it is it's so enriching.
• 29:54
  And it's so rewarding that, you know, the time that you spent
• 29:56
  waiting for them, or the effort that you took tracking them or,
• 29:59
  you know, reading the signs of nature around you to know.
• 30:01
  I need to cast my line under that tree not in the middle.
• 30:05
  That rock or something, you know what I mean?
• 30:07
  Like it is it so it's it's a great way to connect to your
• 30:12
  Primal Roots. You know.
• 30:15
  It's another part of healing it that you're not.
• 30:18
  Counting on that to survive for, you know, your day-to-day meal.
• 30:22
  I can you imagine how people would be now?
• 30:24
  They're it, man. Nowadays, I think there'd be so
• 30:26
  many people that would absolutely just croak if that's
• 30:29
  only back to the week. No electricity.
• 30:32
  No running water Wi-Fi, internet, you know, if you want
• 30:36
  to go anywhere, you got a walk or get on an animal that will
• 30:40
  carry you. Yeah.
• 30:42
  But at that, they let you. Yeah, it's a I had like, I grew
• 30:48
  up kind of in a, in a similar type c, I would maybe say wasn't
• 30:53
  like primitive, modern day. Modern-day primitive tribe
• 30:57
  living, but it was kind of like, almost like a like, Amish in a
• 31:01
  way like yeah, we had running water.
• 31:02
  You we had electricity but, you know, we had we raised cattle
• 31:08
  for beef. We had everybody had Gardens.
• 31:10
  We would you know and the farm that you know, raise that that
• 31:15
  the beef cattle were raised on the stairs were raised on, you
• 31:18
  know, we cut those fields, we cut the hey we love those.
• 31:25
  All's we did all those things, we fix the fence, has nobody
• 31:28
  else did it, we did it ourselves, you know, so it's
• 31:32
  definitely an enriching experience and I think I think
• 31:35
  more people nowadays at haven't had that type of lifestyle or
• 31:39
  were raised that and then that sort of Lifestyle are definitely
• 31:42
  missing out. So if you have that opportunity,
• 31:46
  take advantage of it, maybe put yourself in that position and it
• 31:49
  doesn't necessarily have to be like an everyday thing.
• 31:51
  But I say, you know, what have you done today to earn?
• 31:54
  What you've got, the comes the calm that, you know, the
• 31:57
  modern-day conveniences that that makes our lives.
• 32:01
  So so enjoyable, because we really do, we have it easy, we
• 32:04
  have it, very easy, and if we're not doing things, I think to
• 32:07
  honor our ancestors Legacies. You know, we're not feeding
• 32:11
  that. Well, then it's we're doing our
• 32:14
  ancestors, a disservice also. And I like to point out that
• 32:18
  it's not a point to make yourself suffer.
• 32:23
  I mean, that might be part of the process, but it's to develop
• 32:25
  that sense of appreciation and awareness that what's most often
• 32:32
  taken for granted. Yeah, now, that's an interesting
• 32:35
  point, you see making yourself. So making yourself suffer or
• 32:38
  making ourselves suffer Where should we suffer in life?
• 32:43
  Anyway, life is full of suffering.
• 32:46
  Are we going to be victim of the suffering?
• 32:48
  Or are we going to put ourselves through ordeals and put
• 32:51
  ourselves through challenges that are going to condition us
• 32:53
  to deal with that suffering better?
• 32:56
  You know? So again I could say, you know,
• 33:00
  I don't, I don't feel like going out until, you know, the River
• 33:02
  today. I don't feel like going on a
• 33:03
  walk today because I feel bummed out about, you know, like my job
• 33:08
  or whatever things that are real and that, you know, you have to
• 33:11
  or I could say, you know, I need to go out and I need a Do this
• 33:15
  because it's healing. It's that world time that you
• 33:20
  put yourself through that challenge, put yourself through
• 33:22
  that ordeal and Come out stronger in the end, the
• 33:26
  suffering that you're going through, whether it's, you know,
• 33:28
  physical suffering, mental suffering, spiritual suffering,
• 33:33
  you know? If you're spiritually lacking,
• 33:34
  if you're feeling disconnected from your spiritual path, or
• 33:40
  religious path, right? Putting yourself through these
• 33:45
  things, can really light a fire under you, here comes a plane
• 33:51
  and a lot more people, you might not see it.
• 33:53
  But we have about 50 plus people, swarming us right now.
• 33:58
  Is it's a busy. It's a busy day at the park
• 34:00
  which is great. I mean, it's a nice day out, and
• 34:02
  of course, can't really fault them for that but themselves in
• 34:09
  the outdoors and not just being tied to a TV or burn a for a
• 34:12
  phone, you know? So, That's a pretty.
• 34:18
  I think that's a wrap. What do you think anything else
• 34:20
  that we missed? Well I mean I was also going to
• 34:23
  point out the practices of reciprocation as well as
• 34:29
  intentions whether that and that can go for Spiritual practices,
• 34:34
  relationships with ourselves with our God's and our family.
• 34:41
  And that's an even with the for example, like the groups that we
• 34:44
  follow for example, from one example Highland for For that
• 34:50
  reason, they've been someone that I've looked up to and have
• 34:54
  helped me through some very difficult times.
• 34:58
  Even to this very day, it's a really, I really invested myself
• 35:04
  and shirt my appreciation and joy for what they do and what
• 35:10
  they sacrifice. I mean, I can't imagine the time
• 35:13
  they take away from their own families and their friends to
• 35:17
  come over here to the states and All across the country.
• 35:22
  I mean, financially, it seems very daunting as well but that's
• 35:27
  something that they're willing to sacrifice to provide the
• 35:31
  healing and you know experiences that they offer.
• 35:35
  Yeah yeah I mean they have a life.
• 35:38
  All right. And that this is like as much as
• 35:40
  much of a ritual experience as it is and a ceremonial thing for
• 35:44
  it to be a put. If you'd be a part of it is It's
• 35:47
  their livelihood, you know, it's like they could be doing
• 35:49
  anything to earn a living, right?
• 35:53
  This is what they've chosen to do.
• 35:54
  This is what they've embarked on to do and they, you know, Those
• 36:00
  you know, Commodities and stuff that they get to enjoy our by
• 36:05
  giving back to people. Yeah.
• 36:06
  And that pursuit to, you know, I got to meet them in person.
• 36:09
  This is it was a very humbling and very joyous occasion to have
• 36:14
  really experienced that point of reciprocation to know that they
• 36:19
  appreciate me as much as I appreciate them.
• 36:22
  And that's something I never imagined would have ever
• 36:24
  happened. I know they appreciate everybody
• 36:26
  is a fan base and a following But on a very individual level,
• 36:31
  it is, like I said, translate it all expectations, that I never
• 36:35
  even knew I had. But then also, you know, like I
• 36:38
  mentioned a few moments ago, is whenever you're practicing
• 36:43
  whether it be, you know, the heat of the path or Pagan path
• 36:47
  when you make an offering or, you know, you feel lacking in
• 36:50
  something it's all based on your intentions, you know, like
• 36:54
  putting your heart and soul and to what you are trying to obtain
• 36:59
  or what you're trying to experience.
• 37:03
  Yeah. And it's you know, but if that's
• 37:05
  just good life advice, you know, sure.
• 37:09
  We look at things and from a very, you know, you know,
• 37:12
  Patrick's Pagan someone lie and you know this, obviously this
• 37:15
  podcast is focused on even related topics and things of a
• 37:20
  key than nature but you could really put you could put this on
• 37:24
  anything. Hi practices.
• 37:26
  Yeah. Anything even if you don't have
• 37:28
  a specific spiritual path or religious path if you're just I
• 37:31
  mean it's good life. advice have relationships with our families
• 37:34
  with our, you know, loved ones and even our careers, but most
• 37:38
  importantly ourselves Because you know what?
• 37:41
  We put in is what we get out and then after that can come down
• 37:44
  to, you know, what, your what your diet is, or what activities
• 37:49
  you do. I mean, it's a very important
• 37:51
  thing in something. I often neglect.
• 37:53
  Is I find myself thinking, man, I really need to take better
• 37:56
  care of myself. You know, whether that means,
• 37:58
  you know, cut back the amount of beer, that I drink or the amount
• 38:01
  of candidates digest, and it's just the show that sense of love
• 38:05
  to myself. Like, you know what, I want to
• 38:07
  feel better. I want to do better, and that's
• 38:09
  something that thank, you know, back days to intentions and, you
• 38:13
  know, that level of commitment that it takes to do something
• 38:17
  like that, and you'll be of, you'll be a better use and
• 38:19
  you'll be a better Worth to your community to your people.
• 38:24
  When you take better care of yourself, we take better care of
• 38:27
  ourselves because we're not going to, you know, be
• 38:29
  struggling through physical, physically demanding activities
• 38:33
  when it's required. Because that's so much of what I
• 38:36
  think we have lost with Community itself is, you know,
• 38:39
  everybody's everybody says that they're available if you need
• 38:43
  anything just let me up. Right, right.
• 38:45
  I don't really like is it when you do hit them up and then,
• 38:49
  where are they? I'm kind of busy right now.
• 38:51
  Yeah, yeah like But they're always out there are those out
• 38:55
  there they do stand true to their you know their offer.
• 38:59
  Yeah. Those PS not everybody.
• 39:01
  Not everybody is like just going to blow you off.
• 39:04
  But for how out of the percentage of people that say,
• 39:06
  if you ever need anything just hit me up and then you ask him
• 39:08
  for something, what do they do? I can't not go.
• 39:12
  They just ghost, you know, stuff like that.
• 39:15
  So again, taking care of ourselves makes us of better
• 39:18
  worth. So that way when people are in
• 39:20
  need, you can rightly and And confidently be available and
• 39:25
  then live up to it opposition of experience as well.
• 39:28
  You know to practice what you preach in to be, you know, a
• 39:31
  living example and, you know. Yeah, that's pretty much it.
• 39:36
  Yeah, so do it, man. Like get out there and be a
• 39:40
  living example, doesn't doesn't have to be.
• 39:41
  He even doesn't have to be Pagan, but it definitely fits
• 39:44
  this model, you know? Like it fits it to checks all of
• 39:48
  the boxes, right? So for everybody that's
• 39:51
  listening watching, You so much. Thank you Patrick for being here
• 39:54
  today with me and thank you for, you know, going on in this
• 39:57
  adventure with me today. You see firsthand just how The
• 40:02
  best made plans sometimes. And if you're not, if you're not
• 40:04
  being On top of your game. How the, you know, the
• 40:09
  challenges that the things that come up that put you to a test.
• 40:12
  You were here for it. Can't we went, we got through it
• 40:14
  together and we'll see how the rest of the day goes.
• 40:18
  But hopefully, we're here and have a great time with people
• 40:20
  and should be very interesting. Yeah, I'm sure I'm very excited.
• 40:24
  Next week to give a recap of it. So yeah, more to come on all
• 40:28
  that. But yeah, for everybody, that's,
• 40:29
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• 40:42
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• 40:46
  smile upon you.