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Bengals Booth Podcast: Best Of What's Around · Bengals Booth Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi and everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: The we'll make the best of what's around. Addition, as
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  Speaker 2: the Bengals stick with the best player available approach on
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  Speaker 2: day two of the draft and add Michigan cornerback DJ
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  Speaker 2: Turner and Alabama safety Jordan Battle to their secondary. Coming up,
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  Speaker 2: you'll hear from Zach Taylor and lou Anarumo on the
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  Speaker 2: newest Bengals, and then I'll talk to my broadcast partner
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  Speaker 2: Dave Lapham about those two picks before looking ahead to
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  Speaker 2: Following Round one of the draft, I had some technical
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  Speaker 2: issues putting together this podcast, and finally, at around three am,
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  Speaker 2: I realized that I wouldn't be able to fix it
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  Speaker 2: until the morning, so I got up fairly early, re
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  Speaker 2: recorded a segment, and posted the podcast. By late afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: I was dragging, so I took a nap. It's the
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  Speaker 2: first one I've taken in ages, and let me tell you,
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  Speaker 2: it completely rejuvenated me. So as of April twenty eighth,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, I think that I Dan Horde am
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  Speaker 2: now a nap guy. Let's get to Day two of
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  Speaker 2: the draft. In the second round, with the sixtieth overall pick,
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  Speaker 2: the Bengals selected cornerback DJ Turner out of Michigan Dane
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  Speaker 2: Beruglet from The Athletic Head. Turner rated non number forty
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  Speaker 2: two overall on his big Board and says that Turner
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  Speaker 2: is smart, explosive, and competitive. From the Bengals perspective, it
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  Speaker 2: addresses one of their biggest needs. The current roster includes
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  Speaker 2: three outside corners with experience in chitabey A Wouja, Cam
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Britt and free agent pickup Sydney Jones. The fourth
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  Speaker 2: a Wooja, is coming back from a torn acl and
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  Speaker 2: entering the final year of his contract. Taylor, Britt only
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  Speaker 2: has thirteen games under his belt, and Jones signed a
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  Speaker 2: one year, proven deal after battling injuries throughout his first
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  Speaker 2: six NFL seasons. Turner not only adds depth but could
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  Speaker 2: see significant snaps as a rookie. Here's Zach Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: Incided Adam, we felt like we need to add depth
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  Speaker 3: there in the secondary, and he's a guy that can
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  Speaker 3: come in and really compete a multiple roles for us
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  Speaker 3: and provide depth outside and inside. And really liked the
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  Speaker 3: intangible super to the table as well. So excited, welcome
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  Speaker 3: to the mix. I believe if there's two positions you
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  Speaker 3: can say you can never have enough players over seventeen
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  Speaker 3: game season plus to play, it's it's defensive line and corner.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's just anytime there's a good player there
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  Speaker 3: that's going to help you, I don't think you're ever wrong,
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  Speaker 3: you know, hitting at those two spots. And again, we
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  Speaker 3: feel like we've got really high end players at all
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  Speaker 3: those spots. But it never hurts you to take a
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  Speaker 3: guy that you think fits your system and what you
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  Speaker 3: want to do. And you know you could argue a
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  Speaker 3: couple other spots, but those are Those are two key
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  Speaker 3: spots to me, I think that you're never wrong adding
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  Speaker 3: valuable players there.
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  Speaker 2: Turner is five eleven, one hundred and seventy nine pounds
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  Speaker 2: and doesn't have great length, but he can fly. The
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  Speaker 2: twenty two year old ran the fastest forty yard dash
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  Speaker 2: that this year's combine at four point two six. Here's
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  Speaker 2: defensive coordinator lou Ana Romo.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you see it. You see it on tape. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you'll see guys that have great time speeding. It doesn't
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  Speaker 4: match their play speed in vice versa. But this guy
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  Speaker 4: can run, and you see it on tape. If he
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  Speaker 4: gets out of position, he can get back in it
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  Speaker 4: because of his speed. You know, DB's in our league today,
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna get beat, they're gonna get out of position,
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  Speaker 4: and this guy has his recovery speed to get back
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  Speaker 4: in and maybe make a play on the ball. So
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  Speaker 4: that's that's one of the things that we really liked.
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  Speaker 4: You look around the league and the weapons that so
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  Speaker 4: many teams have on offense and the speed that people have,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you got to try to match it somehow,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, the faster guys we can get, you know,
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  Speaker 4: certainly is gonna give us an advantage. You know, we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna have to chase quarterbacks around, and that means you
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  Speaker 4: have to cover a little bit longer, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: the fast we are, I think, the better chance we
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  Speaker 4: have to get off the field.
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  Speaker 2: Turner had twenty pass breakups and three interceptions in his
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  Speaker 2: two years as a starter for the Wolverines. The Bengals
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  Speaker 2: pay corps dot com. In the third round, the Bengals
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  Speaker 2: traded back as they picked up the final pick in
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  Speaker 2: the sixth round, number two seventeen overall, by moving back
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  Speaker 2: three spots from number ninety two to number ninety five,
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  Speaker 2: where they selected Alabama safety Jordan Battle. He was ranked
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  Speaker 2: number eighty nine on Brugler's Big Board, and Dane called
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  Speaker 2: him a smart, experience safety with reliable football character and
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  Speaker 2: competitive toughness. He projects as a low ceiling starter in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL with core special team skills. Here's Zach Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Battle really excited. You know, we had high regards
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  Speaker 3: for this guy as a safety again coming from Alabama.
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  Speaker 3: Winner went there to compete, went to one of the
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  Speaker 3: best high schools, you know, Saint Thomas Quanas in all
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  Speaker 3: of America, one of the top high schools, competed there,
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  Speaker 3: went to Alabama to compete there with the number of
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  Speaker 3: great safeties in order to win championships. So he's not
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  Speaker 3: a Freddy competition. And then it's get a chance to
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  Speaker 3: come here and help us win championships as well. So
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  Speaker 3: we think this guy fits everything that we're about. We
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  Speaker 3: sit up here and talk about all the time. This
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  Speaker 3: guy's a plus character, a leader on a great team,
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  Speaker 3: and it's going to be valuable for us as a
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  Speaker 3: safety and special teams player. Hard to miss on guys
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  Speaker 3: like that. You know, it's when you can stand on
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  Speaker 3: the table for their character and there they're playing experience
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  Speaker 3: at a high level in the SEC and all the
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  Speaker 3: big games he's played for, and you know, it's just
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  Speaker 3: this is a guy that we're excited was still around
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  Speaker 3: here in the third round and we're able to add him.
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  Speaker 5: In to the mix.
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  Speaker 2: After losing Jesse Bates and Von Bell to free agency,
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  Speaker 2: the Bengals have Dax Hill and free agent pickup Nick
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  Speaker 2: Scott set to replace them in the starting lineup, but
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  Speaker 2: depth was a question mark. Here's lou Ana Romo.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's in position a lot to make plays. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he's very rarely out of position. You can see him communicating.
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  Speaker 4: It's which is really important back there obviously, so and
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  Speaker 4: you can trust him. You can tell his teammates trust him. Again,
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  Speaker 4: rarely out of position, gets guys on the ground, so
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  Speaker 4: you know, just and then the characters off the charts.
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  Speaker 4: So that's why he's so intriguing.
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  Speaker 2: Battle is six pounds and ran a four five five forty,
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  Speaker 2: so he doesn't have blazing speed, but he started forty
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  Speaker 2: four games at Alabama, had six interceptions and returned three
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  Speaker 2: of them for touchdowns. He also had nearly eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: analysis of rounds two and three, and to look ahead
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  Speaker 2: to Saturday with Dave Lapham. All right, lap Day two
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  Speaker 2: of the draft has finished. The Bengals made their second
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  Speaker 2: and third round picks. Let me get begin a big picture.
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  Speaker 2: Are you at all surprised that three picks into the
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  Speaker 2: draft the Bengals have not selected an offensive player?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I guess jan, in this era of salary cap, one.
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  Speaker 5: Side of the football is going to have to be
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  Speaker 5: less expensive than the other. And you lost two expensive
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  Speaker 5: safeties and you replaced it with, you know, like a
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  Speaker 5: second year safety on a rookie contract, inexpensive safety from
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  Speaker 5: the Rams draft another safety in this round.
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  Speaker 1: So the safety position is.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty inexpensive or a rookie contract to the cornerback position.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you have to get you have to get
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  Speaker 5: lead less expensive somewhere, and they've decided that the defensive
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  Speaker 5: side of the football is where that's going to take.
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  Speaker 2: So their second round pick, number sixty overall was DJ Turner,
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  Speaker 2: the fastest player at the NFL scouting combine this year.
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  Speaker 2: Ran a four to two six forty two year starter
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  Speaker 2: at Michigan. Pretty productive had twenty deflections over the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of years and three interceptions. What do you make
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  Speaker 2: of DJ Turner?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, just I mean tremendous speed, recoverability speed, And I remember,
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  Speaker 5: you know, talking to various defensive backs during the course
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  Speaker 5: of my playing career.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one thing that they coveted.
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  Speaker 5: You know, anybody that had flat out burner speed, at
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  Speaker 5: that recoverability speed, and you think you're beaten.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like you're beaten, but you're really not.
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  Speaker 5: And he's got he's got that kind of that kind
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  Speaker 5: of jet in his system. And you look at it.
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  Speaker 5: Dan the first round pick. Murphy can run, second round
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  Speaker 5: pick can run. Darren Simmons is smiling because you know
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  Speaker 5: these guys, they're gonna have roles.
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  Speaker 1: But how many staffs.
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  Speaker 5: Is that gonna involve as first year players, as rookies. Well,
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  Speaker 5: you're gonna figure special team is going to.
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  Speaker 1: Be part of that.
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  Speaker 5: And the overall team speed of this football team just
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  Speaker 5: got light years better. When you're talking about a two
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  Speaker 5: hundred and seventy pound guy that runs four or five
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  Speaker 5: and the defensive corner that's drafted, that's the fastest guy
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  Speaker 5: in the draft running a four to two six forty
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  Speaker 5: that that has.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty good stuff. Uh, And that'll help not.
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  Speaker 5: Just the offensive and defensive side of things, or defensively
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  Speaker 5: in this in this case, but it also helps overall
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  Speaker 5: in special teams.
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  Speaker 2: He's not a long corner, he's about five eleven one pounds,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have especially long arms. Is that a big concern
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  Speaker 2: in this day and age? Or does his speed makeup
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  Speaker 2: for it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I guess that.
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  Speaker 5: You know that that's the thing when you look at it.
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  Speaker 5: No matter how fast a guy is, if he's covered,
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  Speaker 5: the contested catch part of it comes into play, and
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  Speaker 5: the bigger body wide receivers is he is he going
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  Speaker 5: to be able to get the football off of them?
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  Speaker 5: You know, with with what you're talking about, and that
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  Speaker 5: that's gonna be the challenge.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna be the thing.
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  Speaker 5: That his catch radius isn't gonna be as big, so
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  Speaker 5: you know that that's gonna that's gonna be the issue.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, played at a big conference and played
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  Speaker 5: at a good level at a big conference obviously, but
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  Speaker 5: the one thing that coaches love when you have it
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  Speaker 5: and fear when you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't is speed.
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  Speaker 5: And it's something that you know you can't coach guys
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  Speaker 5: either have it or they don't, and this kid has it.
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  Speaker 2: We talked after round one about what we thought the
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  Speaker 2: Bengals might do in the second round. I think we
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  Speaker 2: both thought cornerback was probably the most likely position, assuming
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  Speaker 2: there was one that they really liked still there at
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  Speaker 2: number sixty, but tight end was also a possibility, and
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  Speaker 2: then we saw them start flying off the board. Sam
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  Speaker 2: Laporte was the third pick of the second round. Michael
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  Speaker 2: Mayer was the fourth pick of the second round. Later
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  Speaker 2: in the second round, there were other tight ends that
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  Speaker 2: were taken that the Bengals might have had some interest in,
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  Speaker 2: like Luke Musgrave of Oregon State or Luke schoon Maker
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  Speaker 2: of Michigan. Do you think that any of those, if
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  Speaker 2: any of those guys had still been there at number sixty,
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  Speaker 2: they might have gone tight end.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that that's a that's a question that is is
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  Speaker 5: a valid one.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously.
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  Speaker 5: The concern with Washington is probably the knees. You know,
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  Speaker 5: he's good good knee problems, and honestly, he's more of
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  Speaker 5: a third tackle. I mean the way he's built, the
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  Speaker 5: way he's structured, he's a heck of a blocker. The
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  Speaker 5: fact that you know he wasn't taken. I think bothered,
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  Speaker 5: you know, bothered some people. But you know, they they
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  Speaker 5: made the decision that they made. They went best player available.
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  Speaker 5: They traded back to pick up an extra six round
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  Speaker 5: pick that will probably either be a punter or maybe
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  Speaker 5: a quarterback. They'll they'll use the quarter of the punter
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  Speaker 5: maybe on on one of them, the extra six round pick,
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  Speaker 5: and and the plutter on the seventh or whatever if
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  Speaker 5: they want to make sure that they get both of
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  Speaker 5: those and and uh and not have to rely on
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  Speaker 5: college free agency and recruitment of players. So it's that
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  Speaker 5: that that part of it's uh, that part of it's
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  Speaker 5: going to be interesting. But you know, they they decided
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  Speaker 5: to go with the safety and that and that third pick.
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  Speaker 1: And a safety that.
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  Speaker 5: Is involved in the loose Saban scheme has been involved
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  Speaker 5: in a very complicated, sophisticated NFL like system.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, you got a kid that has played in the.
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  Speaker 5: Box for a significant number of STAPs deep safety for
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  Speaker 5: a good number of steps to slot corner as well,
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  Speaker 5: so you have position versatility.
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  Speaker 1: And another chess piece.
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  Speaker 5: Lou An Arumo likes to likes to play with uh
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  Speaker 5: with the front, the defensive front and the back end
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  Speaker 5: with different looks, different numbers of players. Now we've seen
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  Speaker 5: against the Baltimore Ravens, in particular with Jackson now back
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  Speaker 5: on board, five defensive linemen, three safeties, mixing it up
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  Speaker 5: doing all kinds of different things. The Bengals lost their
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  Speaker 5: two starting safeties, expensive safeties. They get a lot younger
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  Speaker 5: and a lot less expensive at that position, and Louis
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  Speaker 5: he Narumo is going to be able to do his
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  Speaker 5: match up with those chess pieces on the.
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  Speaker 1: Front end and back end.
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  Speaker 5: Samwichames Logan Wilson, and Jermaine Prad.
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  Speaker 2: As I read about Jordan Battle, the third round draft
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  Speaker 2: pick out of Alabama, I feel like it's Von Bell
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  Speaker 2: two point zero, not the fastest guy in the world,
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  Speaker 2: but solid as a rock, proven player, team leader, captain type,
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  Speaker 2: played on great teams in high school and college. His pedigree,
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  Speaker 2: to me, reminds me so much of Von Bell. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, Dan.
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  Speaker 5: And when you look at it, you know Clemson, Alabama,
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  Speaker 5: national championships, big time programs, captains, you know, solid people.
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  Speaker 5: The Bengals are sticking to that, that formula, and it's
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  Speaker 5: it's paint dividends for them. I think it's going to
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  Speaker 5: continue to paint dividends for them, and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: First thing I.
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  Speaker 5: Thought of when I saw the breakdown of this kid's STAPs,
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  Speaker 5: I thought, man, they got themselves a guy just like
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  Speaker 5: von Beld that Luanne Rumo is going to be able
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  Speaker 5: to line up in a bunch of different spots and
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  Speaker 5: uh and have some productivity. But he played a significant
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  Speaker 5: amount at slot corner. And you know that's something that
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  Speaker 5: you know that Vaughn wasn't necessarily a big factor there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned Georgia tight end Darnell Washington because
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  Speaker 2: I saw a lot of Bengals fans were freaking out
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  Speaker 2: about the fact that not only did the Bengals not
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  Speaker 2: take him, but he went to the Steelers one pick
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  Speaker 2: after where the Bengals were supposed to select in Round three. Right,
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  Speaker 2: he's got an issue that's definitely a reason why he's
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  Speaker 2: lat or why he lasted this long. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: Bengals had the ninety second pick, they traded down Kansas
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  Speaker 2: City came up to take an offensive tackle. Darnell Washington
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  Speaker 2: went with the next pick. That means ninety two teams
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  Speaker 2: or ninety two opportunities existed where teams did not select
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  Speaker 2: Darnell Washington. Why Bengals fans are going crazy over the
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  Speaker 2: fact that they didn't go for him in that spot.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a headtch scratcher to me. Clearly,
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  Speaker 2: there's an issue that the entire NFL was worried about.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, and I think he went to an organization that.
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  Speaker 5: Looks like their tight ends has almost third offensive tackles.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the tight ends with the Pittsburgh Steelers are
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  Speaker 5: inline blockers a ton, and it's not to say that
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  Speaker 5: they don't throw the football to them, but you know
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  Speaker 5: that Benny cunning Hams and their big body guys, that
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  Speaker 5: line up is almost another formidable tackle. And you know
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  Speaker 5: Pittsburgh wants to run the football. They want to establish that.
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  Speaker 1: Part of things baked year on their young quarterback and.
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  Speaker 5: That it also gives him a big target for the
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  Speaker 5: young quarterback to take advantage of. He's going to look
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  Speaker 5: like the Eiffel Tower in the red zone and to
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  Speaker 5: throw the football too. But I think he was a
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  Speaker 5: better fit for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now the Bengal's gonna
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  Speaker 5: have to defend him, there's no question about that. But
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that he is necessarily what the Bengals
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  Speaker 5: want out of their time. They want more receiving out
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  Speaker 5: of their tight ends. They're not looking for third offensive
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  Speaker 5: tackles out of their tight ends. Although you know, Drew
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  Speaker 5: Sample will we'll fill that role of being the blocker
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  Speaker 5: as such. You know, the guy put his hand in
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  Speaker 5: the dirt at the end of the line of scrimmage
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  Speaker 5: and get after some people.
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  Speaker 2: And that's Devin Asiasi's primary scale if he's still on
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  Speaker 2: the roster.
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  Speaker 1: As well, right, exactly, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's look ahead to day three, beginning with
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  Speaker 2: round four. Let's start with tight ends. There are still
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  Speaker 2: some highly touted tight ends available, including UC's Josh Wiley.
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  Speaker 2: Will Mallory from Miami is still there. There's Zach Koons
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  Speaker 2: from Old Dominion, Payne Durham from Purdue. That's just to
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  Speaker 2: name for There's some other guys that were, you know,
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  Speaker 2: graded pretty highly. So if they want to take a
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  Speaker 2: tight end and get somebody into the building that's under
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  Speaker 2: contact for more than a year, which is the case
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  Speaker 2: with Eric Smith Junior and Drew Sample and Devin Asiassi,
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  Speaker 2: they've got an opportunity in round four.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's a that's a plausible possibility.
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  Speaker 5: You know, if you asked me earlier this week in
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  Speaker 5: a podcast, is there a guy that I would like
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  Speaker 5: to see the Cincinnati Bengals get in the drafts? And
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: I mentioned, you know, a guy that you were real
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: familiar with obviously and Josh Willy and I wasn't thinking,
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  Speaker 5: you know, necessarily day one or day two guy. But
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  Speaker 5: I think he's a solid day three guy. Uh, there's there,
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  Speaker 5: There's no two ways about it. And then you know
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  Speaker 5: the tight end from old ominion.
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  Speaker 1: He started out at I.
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  Speaker 5: Think it was Penn State and transfer transfer out of there.
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  Speaker 5: He's got unbelieved immense athletic ability for his production. Even
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  Speaker 5: an old dominion didn't match that athletic ability. But if
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  Speaker 5: the coaches think, you know what, man, what the trace
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  Speaker 5: he has, I'm going to be able to develop this guy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that one might be an interesting tight end
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  Speaker 1: to look at as well.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the one thing that's that's pretty interesting the
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: first two draft picks that the Bengals had twenty and
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: twenty one years old. You talk about young guys with
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: upside potentials. They've proven they can play, but there's still
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: room to grow, and they have not hit their ceiling,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: and they've got a nice high floor established and the
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: ceilings up there. So I think in the early stages
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: of the draft they did a good job. They did
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  Speaker 5: their homework, they trusted their board, spent a lot of
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: time putting this together and trusted it.
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  Speaker 2: There are still some very good running backs left in
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: this draft. Roshawn Johnson from Texas is still there. Israel
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Abanacanada from pitt is still there. Dwayne McBride from UA,
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  Speaker 2: b Zach Evans, romal miss And you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: we always have a little bit of a bias for
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the guys that we see play in person. That guy,
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  Speaker 2: for me is Keaton Mitchell from East Carolina Speedster. Now,
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  Speaker 2: he's not a guy that's gonna mix it up much
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  Speaker 2: in between the tackles. But if you're looking for a
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  Speaker 2: home run threat, a guy that, like we talked about
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  Speaker 2: in the first round with Jamier Gibbs, a guy who
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: can take a short pass and turn it into a
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: long touchdown, Keith Mitchell could be one of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean I think that whatever running.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Back they do take, this is a guy that has
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: to be able to run a route Tree has to
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: be able to catch the football, has to be able
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: to do something with it after he catches it. You know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: turn a seven yard completion into additionally yards for a
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  Speaker 5: first down as necessary, you know, to get something done
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  Speaker 5: with yards after catch, be able to get separation in
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: their road running ability, and maybe even be able to
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: to line up empty out of that backfield, lineup as
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: a slot and be able to, like I said before,
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  Speaker 5: run multiple routes, run run a route Tree.
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  Speaker 1: I think that skill set is going to have to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: be there. It would be nice if he'd.
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  Speaker 5: Be able to stick his nose in there and pass
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: protection as well, because if if, if he's a one
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: trick pony, defenses can you know, expose that so and
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: there are guys out there that that can that can
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: do those kinds of things, and there are guys available,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: so it's going to be They're still in the same mode, Dan,
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: They're on a round by round basis. They're just sitting
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: back and waiting for the draft to come to them.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: They're not reaching for anybody. They're just saying, we're going
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: to take best available player. And let's face it, when
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: everybody establishes their.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Big board, it's based on need.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, everybody doesn't run the same offense. They don't
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: have the same schematics. They're not they don't have the
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: same expectations out of.
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  Speaker 1: Players to fit into that offense.
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  Speaker 5: So everybody's board is differ, but everybody's board is set
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: for the best available player within their schematic, and that's
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: where the big difference comes in. You know, people are like,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: you know, wow, why would you take him?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Well, he's a good fit for this group, not as
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: good a fit for that group. And that's not just
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: since Daddy Bengals. That's all over the league.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Let me wrap up by asking you about two offensive
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: linemen who are still on the board. We talked about
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Dewan Jones from Ohio State last night as a possible
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: second round pick. Well, he's still there going into round four,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and BYU's Blake Freeland is intriguing to me. He's also
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: six ' eight. He's not big in beefy like Dwan Jones,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: he's three hundred and two pounds, but he posted unbelievable
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: numbers at the NFL scouting combine. What are your thoughts
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: on Dwan Jones still being there and the possibility of
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Blake Freeland if he's still on the board when the
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Bengals have an opportunity to pick.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: If Dwan Jones could give your freeland twenty pounds, that'd
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: be great. You'd have one that would solve one problem
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: and the other one would beef up to where people
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: would feel feel.
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  Speaker 1: Better about them.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: You know, Dwan Jones, what a what a very very
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: painful and costly lesson and the biggest job interview of
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: his life. He refused to weigh in, refuse to work out,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: and there were rumors that he was like over three.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Hundred and ninety pounds.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: I heard like three hundred and ninety three paulls. That's scary,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: you know, That's like, man, if you can't discipline yourself
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: to get yourself in the best possible shape you can
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: for the biggest job interview of your life, what are
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: you going to do in the off season after your
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: rookie year, second year, third year, you're gonna let yourself
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: balloon up to four ten, four fifteen. I mean, play
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: yo yo like that with that kind of a weight problem. So,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously that's scared people. And if they're teaching
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: them a lesson, you know, trying to make a point.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: It's a point well taken at this point in time,
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: But you wonder what round will somebody say, Well, you
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: know what he's he's got, he's too big of a
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: too great a prospect. This guy's a dinosaur's he's got,
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: you know, arms like a pterodactyl. He's he's a massive
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: human being. I think I can get through to him.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: I think I think my dietitian can get through to him.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: I think my strength coach can get through to him. Well,
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: you know, good luck, maybe you can, maybe you can.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: But boy, I mean, this is a guy that had
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: NC double a college basketball officers Division I college basketball
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: offers out of high school as well as football. I mean,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: you know, he's he's a guy that's got he's got
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: decent feet, but you get up to almost four hundred pounds,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: it's hard to redirect that. Man.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: It's like that, you know your feet, Your feet are
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a much different scenario trying to redirect a body that big.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: But he's got he's got some skills, there's no doubt
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: But you know, there aren't many four hundred pounds tackles
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: in the National Football League, that's for sure. So that
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: that's that's obviously the big, big concern there. And with Freedland,
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: it's it's, you know, the strength part of it, you know.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: Just now, I think I think he will go pretty
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: early in the fourth round. I'd be surprised if he
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: doesn't because he is very athletic.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: There's no question about it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: He he shows that athleticism, uh, you know, not only
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: when he tests, so he's not just a you know,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: shorts and T shirt guy.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: He shows on the football field too.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Three rounds down, four to go. I look forward to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: doing this again tomorrow.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Four rounds to go, five picks with that extra sixth
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: round pick, so they were able to finally trade back
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: and get that extra pick. I just wish it was
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: maybe a round sooner and maybe you know, that fifth
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: round instead of the sixth round. But hey, beggars can't
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: be choosers.
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