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Find Balance in a Do-It-All World with Shaunti Feldhahn & Do More Better with Tim Challies · Karl and Crew

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S6: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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S1: and Crew.
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S2: Welcome to the no condemnation zone. It's Garland crew. Yeah, man,
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S2: this is the no condemnation zone. We need that when
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S2: we're talking about time redemption. We're going to be tackling
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S2: it all week long. I mentioned time redemption. Everybody's little nerve,
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S2: their their neck veins starts twitching. And the reason is,
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S2: is we we live in a world with all these efficiencies,
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S2: all this technology that's supposed to be making things a
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S2: lot more productive and we can find ourselves spinning out
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S2: big time. What was it four years ago? Three years ago?
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S3: Yeah.
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S5: Probably closer to 2 or 3, I think.
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S2: Ask the question, what's that one thing that's holding you
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S2: back from everything that God has for you. And the
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S2: response was amazing. There were a lot of responses. They
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S2: fell into the categories of addiction, relational kind of hang
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S2: ups somewhere along the line. But one of the biggest
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S2: ones that floated to the surface was time, redemption, or
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S2: the lack thereof. And it's huge. It's a battle, man.
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S2: I mean, it's real. Uh, it's it's something we need
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S2: to get a hold of. And I want to open
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S2: the word here today. Go to Ephesians chapter five. It
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S2: starts with be imitators of God as beloved children, and
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S2: walk in love as Christ loved us and gave himself
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S2: up for us. And then it goes into toggle switch here.
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S2: But sexual immorality and all impurity and covetousness must not
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S2: even be named among you. And it goes on to
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S2: talk about idolatry and anything, covetousness, impurity, Anything that we
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S2: put before God get it out of our life. And
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S2: all of us would agree, young Thunder, that those things
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S2: can't be resonant. They can't be these patterns in the
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S2: life of a follower of Jesus 100%.
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S5: It's not. It's not congruent. It doesn't walk together with
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S5: walking with the Lord.
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S2: But check this out. So in the context of all
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S2: this idolatry, impurity of any kind, sexual immorality, the apostle
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S2: Paul goes into this verse 15, look carefully, then, how
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S2: you walk, not as unwise but as wise, making the
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S2: best use of the time because the days are evil.
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S2: Fascinating that when it comes to a solution for idolatry
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S2: of any kind, any impurity, sexual immorality, and when you
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S2: say idolatry, you can put anything in that category any,
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S2: any person, any place, any thing that we're putting up
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S2: in place of God is idolatry. And the answer for
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S2: that is time redemption. Now, I think at face value,
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S2: that's a bit of a shocker, wouldn't you say?
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S5: Yeah. You wouldn't think of of time redemption as being
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S5: an idol because it's not a physical object. It's not
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S5: something that you, you know, you're looking at, but it,
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S5: it manifests in a lot of different ways in our lives.
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S2: It really does. And it's Gordon MacDonald who said probably
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S2: now five decades ago in ordering Your Private World, great book,
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S2: by the way, that he said, unseized time flows to
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S2: our weaknesses. Oh, Nellie, that is so true. And this
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S2: is why a lot of us find ourselves really feeling like, God.
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S2: If I could get control over one area of my
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S2: life that I know would have huge impact in every
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S2: other area. It would be redeeming time. Now young Thunder's
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S2: got this down pat.
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S5: You know me, I've never struggled.
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S2: So I want you to explain how you arrived at time. Redemption. Perfection.
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S5: Well, you see, the first thing is, is I haven't,
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S5: I haven't at all. It's a struggle for everybody. I mean, Carl,
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S5: we've talked about it before and it's actually encouraged me. Uh,
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S5: so I don't, you know, I'm not picking you out,
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S5: but it's encouraged me because I see how productive of
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S5: a person you are. And, and you tell me that
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S5: you struggle with it just the same as I do.
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S2: Yeah. It's a, it's a daily battle for everyone. And
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S2: I do I mean, I rise early this morning. Let
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S2: me look at the clock. Yeah, it's up at 3 a.m.
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S2: and I was going and working on some things here
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S2: this morning early. And now we're on air and I've
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S2: got a full day in front of me. But here's
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S2: what I've learned. 24 hours is a lot of time.
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S5: It's a lot of.
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S3: Time.
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S2: It's a lot of hours. And the question is not
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S2: what we're doing with the time that we've already claimed,
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S2: but what are we doing with unclaimed time? Now, this
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S2: is very important because I led with this is a
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S2: no condemnation zone. And I really mean this. There is
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S2: no way that you are hearing the voice of God
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S2: if you're getting beat up. Conviction is awesome. Condemnation awful.
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S2: Not from the Lord, but getting a hold of our
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S2: time is critical. And there's one key thing that you
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S2: can do that's going to help you with it. So
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S2: coming up here in a moment, we're going to give
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S2: you this key thing and kick this hour off, right?
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S2: It's Carl and crew. We're tackling the issue of time
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S2: redemption all week long, all of our guests, all of
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S2: our focus. And we're going to get really personal as well.
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S2: This week we're going to tell you what God's calling
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S2: us to do.
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S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl
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S1: and crew on Facebook and Instagram.
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S2: Carl and crew helping you take your next step with Jesus.
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S2: This whole week we're tackling the issue of time, redemption.
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S2: And this is. This is worth repeating here in Ephesians five,
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S2: we find this almost surprising passage. The Apostle Paul's wax
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S2: in here as he's writing, therefore be imitators of God.
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S2: Verse one of chapter five and walk in love as
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S2: Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as
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S2: a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. Let me read
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S2: a few verses here. But sexual immorality and all impurity
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S2: or covetousness must not even be named among you, as
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S2: is proper among saints. Let therefore be no filthiness, nor
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S2: foolish talk, nor crude joking which are out of place,
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S2: but instead let there be thanksgiving, for you may be
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S2: sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure,
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S2: or who is covetous or an idolater has no inheritance
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S2: in the kingdom of Christ and God. Then he goes
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S2: on to say, let no one deceive you with empty words.
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S2: So those deceptive words would have been somehow justifying the
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S2: actions that you have. Don't partake in darkness, guys, he says,
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S2: but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as
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S2: children of light. In verse 15, he does this flip
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S2: of the switch and he says, look carefully. Then, in
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S2: light of everything that he's written here in chapter five,
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S2: look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise, but
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S2: as wise, making the best use of the time because
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S2: the days are evil. We're going to be camped out
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S2: here all week long. And in Psalm 90, Moses is
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S2: one song that he wrote that made it into the
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S2: hymnal of songs because he says, teach us to number
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S2: our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom.
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S2: I love this. He does not say wise people redeem time.
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S2: He says people who redeem time become wise. That means
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S2: wisdom is attainable for every person listening today. As I've
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S2: pulled people over the years, I have found that almost
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S2: no one that I've ever met is immune to finding themselves,
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S2: slipping into all kinds of different, missing the marks in
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S2: their life. That's the term for sin that isn't directly
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S2: related in some way to the lack of time redemption
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S2: because UN sees time flows to our weaknesses. It just does.
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S5: I think that's one of the most powerful quotes that
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S5: we've had on this show when it comes to time redemption,
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S5: because we don't think about it being actively dangerous for
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S5: us to waste a little time are a little bit
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S5: over here, a little bit over there, not a big problem,
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S5: but it really does flow to our weaknesses. We don't
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S5: we don't go, I'm not seeing that time. And in that,
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S5: I happen to do the most successful thing in the
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S5: entire world. Yeah. No.
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S2: Yeah. It's really true. So the question is where do
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S2: you go from here? So I've got a challenge for
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S2: you that I'm going to put out. And some of
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S2: you have downloaded this in the past. Maybe you forgot
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S2: about it. Maybe you never kind of opened it. But
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S2: I'm going to give you a link that is going
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S2: to be one of those the most unusual links you've
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S2: ever seen. It's going to have a download attached to it.
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S2: And what it is, is a calendar of one week,
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S2: one week, half hour blocks for every hour of the week,
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S2: and you can begin this whenever you want. You can
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S2: begin it today. You can begin it tomorrow morning when
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S2: you rise. And the goal is this. It's not to
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S2: beat you up, it's to get a good overview assessment
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S2: of where are the unseized blocks of time in my
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S2: life that are by nature, kind of getting my cookie
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S2: in a squisher here and you want to get freed
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S2: from those. So here's what I'm going to do, and
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S2: we're going to explain it coming up here in a moment.
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S2: But I want you to come get this link right now.
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S2: It's really easy to grab. And then we're going to
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S2: walk you through how to utilize this bad boy. All right.
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S2: How do they get it young thunder.
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S5: Yeah, it's real easy. Just text the word time. Text
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S5: time to 805 557898. Once you do there's a link there,
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S5: click it. It'll have a blog. And at the very
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S5: end a downloadable resource with that chart. Carl's talking about
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S5: text time to (800) 555-7898.
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S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
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S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
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S1: Moody radio.
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S2: This is a condemnation free zone. There is no condemnation here.
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S3: Because we both.
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S5: We both go through the same thing that you are.
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S3: Yeah. Yeah.
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S2: And Carl and dude hold down the fort.
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S3: That's right.
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S2: So here's the deal. Time. Redemption is a big deal. Uh, the.
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S2: The reality is, is that Satan sets a lot of
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S2: traps for us. But a lot of those traps are
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S2: set when we don't have redeem time. Okay, before I
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S2: get into the nuts and bolts of this link that
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S2: you just grabbed, and if you didn't yet, just text
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S2: the word time one word time to 805 557898. I
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S2: want to tell you how important it is to use
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S2: this as a tool, but not as a tool of condemnation.
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S2: This is a resource for you to assess. Man, where
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S2: are the holes in my days where Satan might be
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S2: getting a foothold? Now this is all born out of
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S2: Ephesians chapter five, and this is what we find. Let
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S2: there be no filthiness, no foolish talk, no crude joking,
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S2: no idolatry, no sexual immorality. And he's given all this
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S2: list of things and he's saying, here's how we do it.
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S2: Look carefully then, how you walk, not as unwise but
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S2: as wise, making the best use of the time because
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S2: the days are evil. So here's what I've found as
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S2: a pastor for a lot of years. Most of the
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S2: sin that we find ourselves falling into or stepping into
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S2: is not done when we are seizing time, taking hold
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S2: of it, redeeming it. But it's in those moments in
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S2: the day when they are unclaimed. This does not mean
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S2: that I am promoting workaholism. This does not mean that
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S2: you've got to get so granular and so fixated that
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S2: you begin worshipping time. No. Time is a commodity that
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S2: God gave us. He calls us to redeem it. We
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S2: become wise when we do. Further clarity. You can nap
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S2: to the glory of God.
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S3: Amen.
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S2: You can hug children to the glory of God. You
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S2: can have a plan for your day that gets interrupted
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S2: by a neighbor to the glory of God. You can.
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S2: There's a lot of things you can do to the
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S2: glory of God, but identifying and assessing where your time
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S2: is going can be a really prudent exercise.
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S5: I think so. I think that it's it's time. intentionality
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S5: that helps us redeem it. Because I've seen and you
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S5: have two people who work all day long, 24 over
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S5: seven don't do anything but work, work, work, work, work.
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S5: And they're not redeeming time correctly. You see an off
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S5: balance in their life because that's not redeeming time. We
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S5: have to be intentional to take care of the things
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S5: that God has given us with our time.
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S2: That is so spot on. And I have I have
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S2: fallen into that trap many times. So when you're redeeming time,
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S2: there has to be time to renew yourself. And renewal
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S2: doesn't happen by doing nothing. It's by moving toward God.
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S2: That's the Sabbath principle. But I give you this tool again,
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S2: if you're just tuning in right now, we're talking time redemption.
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S2: This can be a tool that we're going to be
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S2: giving you throughout the week, but text the word time
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S2: right now, and we'll get this to you when you
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S2: get this tool. Our number here, by the way, is
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S2: 805 55578981 word time. And we'll get this straight out
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S2: to you. And I'm opening it right now with you guys.
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S2: Boom crew. And if you're driving right now, don't try
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S2: to do this on the fly. But if you open
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S2: it up, you're going to find at the bottom a
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S2: downloadable resource. And all it is, is a printable calendar
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S2: that has Sunday through Saturday from 12 a.m. to 11:30 p.m.
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S2: with a little note section at the bottom. And here's
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S2: the goal. The goal is not to turn this into
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S2: some kind of an idol as well, because we're not
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S2: to be time worshipers. And yes, you can in fact
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S2: become a workaholic. That's not the goal. The goal is
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S2: to find those those blocks of time in our life
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S2: that are unredeemed and to begin to reclaim them. And
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S2: I think you're going to find a pattern here, whether
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S2: it's workaholism and you need to provide more time for family, God, hobbies, friendships,
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S2: community in the church or its empty blocks of time
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S2: that are going to that get gobbled up with doomscrolling
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S2: time wasting of any kind video games, binge and Netflix,
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S2: you name it. And here's what I've learned. A lot
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S2: of us think that we're redeeming time better than we
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S2: actually are. We've got some stats here that prove that
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S2: between four and a half and five hours a day
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S2: is spent scrolling on phones, looking at newsfeeds, getting updates
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S2: that doesn't even include TV watching, which is on average
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S2: an hour and a half to two hours, I think,
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S2: per person. And with the screens that we have now,
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S2: it's becoming more of a disproportionate time grabber for people
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S2: than TV used to be. So there's all kinds of
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S2: things screaming our name for our attention. And the goal
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S2: of this exercise is again to just assess man. God,
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S2: where am I not redeeming time so that I can
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S2: begin to get victory over some of these things, like
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S2: idols that I've set up in my life. I'm finding
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S2: myself getting into all kinds of traps very candidly. I'm
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S2: going to be bold with you men here right now.
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S2: It's usually not those work hours. It's usually not those
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S2: hours at church for sure. It's not those hours where
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S2: you're redeeming time. Well, that you get in trouble. It's
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S2: those unseized hours, oftentimes in the evening where you don't
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S2: have anything that you need to be doing. Nothing's been
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S2: claimed for that time, and you find yourself getting tempted
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S2: by Satan to head down paths on your phone, where
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S2: you find yourself baited by Satan and then beat up
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S2: by him when you take the bait. That's just the reality.
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S2: So here's how I want you to use this. Print
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S2: this thing out and begin to look at seven days.
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S2: And what you want to do is not aim for perfection,
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S2: but try to log each half hour. How has this
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S2: time been used? Where are the gaps? Where are the
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S2: places that I'm finding myself getting sucked up into and
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S2: scrolling waste in time in some way, shape or form
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S2: so that I can reclaim those hours of the day.
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S2: And surveys say there's a lot more time unredeemed than
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S2: we would ever estimate. We have a potential here to
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S2: overestimate how well we're doing with time redemption, don't we?
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S2: My man.
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S5: No doubt about that. And I think that sometimes, too,
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S5: this is another kind of aspect of it is, you know,
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S5: if you're working on something that you really need to
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S5: focus on. And for me, this is a big struggle
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S5: for me. I kind of combine my time with redeemed
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S5: time and not redeemed time. So I'm working on something
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S5: really good, but I've also got the TV in the background,
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S5: and it's distracting me from doing what I need to
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S5: be doing well. And so it's like, hey, look at
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S5: those moments too, and say, hey, in this pocket of
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S5: redeeming time, am I actually as focused as I need
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S5: to be on it? Or am I, have I got
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S5: something on in the background that's kind of distracting me
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S5: from doing what I need to do?
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S3: Well, yeah. Yeah.
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S2: So here's the link. Text time to 805 557898. Just
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S2: one word time to 805 5578, 98. And I want
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S2: to encourage you to try this and don't make too
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S2: much of a job out of logging these times. Obviously,
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S2: you don't wake up in the middle of the night
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S2: and log every half hour of sleep. Just put a
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S2: big old X through whatever time you're asleep.
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S3: Exactly.
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S2: Then begin to just look back every half hour, every hour,
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S2: every couple hours and go, what have I done here? Okay,
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S2: write this down and you're going to find some trend
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S2: lines here that are going to be very illuminating for you.
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S2: And God can use this in a practical way. Takes
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S2: time to 805, 55, 78, 98. One word time to
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S2: 805 five, five, 78, 98. I'm curious who's going to
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S2: do this with us this week? I'm in it. I'm
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S2: doing it. I should, I wrote it, I better do
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S2: it with you. And I do this from time to time.
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S2: And this is a week I'm going to jump in
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S2: it with you. Who's doing it with me? If you're
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S2: doing it with me, just say I'm with you. Carl
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S2: 805 557898. Let's go watch what God can do.
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S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
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S1: Carl and crew.
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S2: Talking redeeming time all week long. And boy, this is
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S2: a hot topic. I'm going to bring in my guest
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S2: right now, Shante Feldon, with us right now. She is.
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S2: I was teasing her before we went on air. She's
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S2: the data queen, not the dancing queen. Like Ava sings about.
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S2: She's the data queen. You love data, don't you, Shante?
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S7: Way too much. A matter of fact, I sometimes can't
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S7: help myself from nerding out.
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S2: No, I love data as well. This is why the
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S2: first time I heard you down at, I think it
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S2: was Saint Pete Beach at the Don Cesar, I think
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S2: you were speaking down there to all of us.
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S7: Might have been it.
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S2: Yeah. Family life weekend to remember speakers. Yeah. And I
22:10
S2: was just blown away. Now, bad numbers are a problem,
22:14
S2: but good numbers, boy, they don't lie. You know, I've
22:17
S2: got an intriguing question for you because we're talking redeeming
22:21
S2: time and you've got to work out called Fine balance
22:23
S2: thriving in a do it all world. And I'm intrigued
22:27
S2: about that. We'll get into that. But I asked a
22:29
S2: question one time how, Jonathan, when was that young thunder?
22:33
S2: That must have been 4 or 5 years ago. Now,
22:36
S2: what is that one thing that's holding you back from everything.
22:40
S5: I you know what it was probably.
22:42
S3: What was it.
22:43
S5: 2 or 3 years.
22:43
S3: Ago?
22:44
S2: Two a year? Yeah. It wasn't that far back. So
22:46
S2: Shante the number I would say the number one response,
22:50
S2: if there was one that was more weighted, it was
22:52
S2: people who feel like with all this stuff to do,
22:57
S2: they're killing themselves because they aren't redeeming time. It's just
23:00
S2: getting frittered away and they're getting baited by Satan to
23:03
S2: waste time. And then they get beat up by Satan
23:06
S2: when they do. Do you have any data points on
23:09
S2: people that don't? Are there any people that use their
23:12
S2: time perfectly all the time?
23:15
S7: Well, no, because we are. We are all human. And
23:19
S7: so part of this is giving ourselves just a bit
23:21
S7: of a break.
23:22
S3: Yes.
23:23
S7: Um, but, you know, one of the other things, if
23:25
S7: I could just jump into that, one of the other
23:28
S7: things that I think is a common misunderstanding, misconception, certainly
23:34
S7: maybe advice that we give people. I don't know how
23:38
S7: many times I have heard some, you know, I'm, I'm
23:42
S7: pretty busy. Right. So some maybe older, well-meaning woman who says, honey,
23:48
S7: you just need to slow down. Yeah. You just need
23:51
S7: to slow down. And it's interesting when I do women's
23:54
S7: retreats and I say that in front of a group
23:56
S7: of women and I say, now, how many of you
23:58
S7: find that to be an encouraging statement? And nobody raises
24:02
S7: their hand.
24:03
S2: Why is that?
24:04
S7: Well, here's the reason. Okay. Because all of us, whether
24:07
S7: we're men or women, right? All of us know that
24:10
S7: to some degree. I mean, sometimes slowing down is important, obviously,
24:15
S7: but it is a solution for a short time, not
24:18
S7: a solution for a lifetime. And so we need to
24:21
S7: have a solution for a lifetime. And I think Jesus
24:24
S7: gives us one.
24:26
S2: Okay. We're going to get into that. Shaunti Feldhahn, my
24:28
S2: guest right now, she's best selling author, podcaster, blogger, popular speaker.
24:33
S2: She received her graduate degree from a little school. It's
24:37
S2: a little hole in the wall, just a little place
24:40
S2: called Harvard. And she was an analyst on Wall Street.
24:44
S2: And so she uses her analytical skills big time to
24:46
S2: help people understand what's going on. But here's what's beautiful.
24:50
S2: It's with the Bible opened up and data just beyond that,
24:54
S2: she figures out what's going on in this world. Okay,
24:56
S2: crack it open for a sister. What are some discoveries
24:59
S2: that you've got here?
25:01
S7: Well, one of the most important and this is something
25:04
S7: that you see all over Scripture, and you also see
25:06
S7: this all over neuroscience. True actually is if you look
25:11
S7: at the amazing promise that Jesus gives in Matthew 11,
25:16
S7: the one you know, he's saying, come to me, all
25:19
S7: you who are weary and burdened, and I will give
25:21
S7: you rest. The rest of that statement is really telling
25:27
S7: because he says, take my yoke upon you and learn
25:32
S7: from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart,
25:35
S7: and you will find rest for your souls. And then
25:38
S7: he says, for my yoke is easy and my burden
25:41
S7: is light. And now here's what I see from that.
25:43
S7: That just jumps out at me, which is that we
25:49
S7: think we need to take time off. Right? But Jesus's solution,
25:53
S7: a yoke is a an implement to help a beast
25:57
S7: of burden plow the field in the heat of the day.
26:00
S7: His solution is not here. Let me take the yoke
26:02
S7: off your shoulders and send you back to the barn
26:05
S7: to find rest. His solution has something to do with.
26:09
S7: In the good work of the day. You can be busy,
26:13
S7: but you don't have to be stressed.
26:15
S3: Boom.
26:17
S7: Yes, you can be. You can be running around with kids.
26:21
S7: You can be running around writing reports at work. You
26:24
S7: can be running around doing whatever God has called you
26:26
S7: to for your good work of the day. But you
26:29
S7: can still find rest for your soul.
26:32
S3: You know.
26:32
S2: Shanti, here's what's amazing about that. It is so profoundly true.
26:36
S2: For years I thought Sabbath was to slow down, to
26:41
S2: use that term. It's just got to slow down and
26:43
S2: almost do nothing, right. Sabbath is to rest in the someone,
26:49
S2: our God, who helps us to do things in a
26:53
S2: way that's peaceful. It's not pulling away. It's moving toward God.
26:57
S2: And that's exactly what Jesus is spiking there. Uh, okay.
27:01
S2: Interesting thought and what's implied there. I went out way
27:04
S2: out in the boondocks here in central Illinois and picked
27:08
S2: up a yoke. I found an old one like 200
27:10
S2: years old, and I brought it for a teaching illustration
27:14
S2: at one of our campuses here in Chicago. And boy,
27:17
S2: was it a great tool. And what's implied there is
27:20
S2: you're right. It's not like we don't have a yoke.
27:23
S2: We're exchanging a yoke. So the question everybody has is,
27:27
S2: what have you learned? What is it that's going to
27:29
S2: make that yoke of Christ different than two things? One,
27:34
S2: the yoke of busyness apart from God. And then the
27:37
S2: other thing is doing nothing, which is really doing something.
27:40
S2: That's where Satan just pounds us.
27:43
S7: Yes. Well, obviously the most important is when Jesus says,
27:49
S7: take my yoke upon you and learn from me, right?
27:51
S7: This is about a relationship with him, and this is
27:55
S7: about him leading us into what is going to find
27:57
S7: rest for our souls. But because everybody listening to this
28:00
S7: is like, wait, that doesn't help me. Like, I don't
28:02
S7: know what to do differently, right? And so one of
28:05
S7: the things that we have seen in our research and
28:09
S7: that so many scientists have discovered in other research, is
28:14
S7: that it makes such a difference when we live according
28:18
S7: to our design. And so this is we don't have
28:22
S7: time to get into it here, but it's basically think
28:26
S7: about the fact that every created thing that exists has
28:32
S7: a purpose behind its creation and has like design specs, right? Like,
28:36
S7: like if you, if your phone is not waterproof and
28:39
S7: you dunk it in a bucket of water, it's going
28:42
S7: to break. But if you don't do that and you
28:44
S7: tend to use it according to its design, it's going
28:46
S7: to tend to work. And it's that same idea. The
28:50
S7: yolk is crafted to help the that creature do its work.
28:57
S7: And but you have to live according to your design
29:00
S7: because we have that same thing. We have a purpose
29:05
S7: behind why God created us. And we have designed specifications
29:09
S7: and we tend to live according to the way God
29:13
S7: designed us. What is. What is our passion? What is
29:16
S7: our giftedness that God has handed us to do in
29:19
S7: his kingdom and not try to take on the yoke
29:23
S7: that is not built for us?
29:26
S3: Yeah, I love it.
29:26
S7: Then suddenly things will flow a little bit better.
29:30
S2: Shanti Feldon. My guest right now coming up here. Thriving.
29:34
S2: Not surviving, but thriving in a do it all world.
29:39
S2: We're going to break it down for you. We're going
29:40
S2: to get us just a snippet into more research and
29:44
S2: what we can do to have that light yoke that
29:46
S2: is found in Jesus straight ahead.
29:49
S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.
29:54
S1: Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew
29:58
S1: on Moody Radio.
29:59
S2: With me right now, Shanti Feldon. I just love giving
30:03
S2: your background because I think it matters. Wall Street analyst
30:07
S2: what the world did you learn there? Harvard grad. What
30:10
S2: did you learn there that helps with your really equipping
30:14
S2: the saints for life? What what did you take away
30:16
S2: from there?
30:17
S7: You know, it's interesting. I, I really feel like God
30:22
S7: did something just like he tends to do in a
30:24
S7: lot of lives where you look backwards and you're able
30:27
S7: to go, oh, that's why that happened. Yeah. Um, and
30:31
S7: it was really, to me, it was really about two things.
30:34
S7: My Harvard time was about growing closer to him because
30:37
S7: believe it or not, there are actually, even though Harvard
30:40
S7: is a difficult environment for Christians, it's also a place
30:46
S7: where if you are a believer, you have a choice.
30:49
S7: Like your faith can either you can hide it under
30:52
S7: a bushel because it's really hard, or you can gather
30:54
S7: together with other believers and your faith just grows. And
30:58
S7: so it's a, it's a really, I think for a
31:01
S7: lot of people in any kind of environment like that.
31:05
S7: It's a it's a real learning time. It's a character
31:07
S7: building time. But from an analytical standpoint, because that was
31:11
S7: my graduate degree, my master's degree was a very analytical one.
31:15
S7: And working on Wall Street, it was basically about building
31:18
S7: up that analytical research skill set that God was going
31:21
S7: to use in a completely different way. Yeah. Which is
31:23
S7: what I do now. Yes.
31:24
S2: Yeah. No. It's amazing. As a matter of fact, I mean, the,
31:28
S2: the amount of tools that God's given Shanti that have
31:31
S2: been used mightily. Think about this. 3 million copies alone
31:35
S2: in 25 languages for women only and for men only. Oh, guys,
31:40
S2: we're going to have a link for you in a
31:41
S2: little bit, but you've also done a work called Fine
31:44
S2: Balance thriving in a do it all world. If if
31:48
S2: I hope that's not an empty promise, because a lot
31:51
S2: of people say, if I could just survive. But you propose. No,
31:55
S2: we can thrive.
31:57
S3: How?
31:57
S7: Yeah. Yeah. Well, first and most important, it is truly
32:02
S7: all about, okay, how do we step into this with Jesus, right?
32:06
S7: Rather than trying to pull ourselves up by your bootstraps
32:09
S7: because we know that doesn't always work so well. Um,
32:12
S7: but then there are a couple of things that you
32:14
S7: see in both science and scripture over and over and
32:18
S7: over again. And so briefly, one of them we mentioned
32:21
S7: right before the break, which is live according to your design,
32:24
S7: live according to how God has made you, rather than
32:27
S7: trying to live according to the design of the woman
32:30
S7: next to you at the women's retreat.
32:32
S3: Yeah.
32:32
S7: Right. Because one of the things that we have tended
32:35
S7: to do in the past in the Christian community is
32:37
S7: to try to like, put everybody in a box, and
32:40
S7: God doesn't do that. Like everybody is given a unique
32:45
S7: set of skills and interests and passions and ways that
32:48
S7: he's called you. I'll give you a quick example of this.
32:51
S7: So we were testing out this Bible study to find
32:55
S7: balanced Bible study. And this one woman had been coming
32:58
S7: every Tuesday night for the test Bible study. Bringing like
33:03
S7: shortbread brownies and like all the all the sugar that
33:06
S7: you need to to make everybody happy. And in our
33:10
S7: discussion about how we can use our gifts for the kingdom,
33:16
S7: she's like, but I don't have any gifts that can
33:19
S7: be used for the kingdom. And the woman next to
33:21
S7: her was like, Annabelle brownies, you know? And she's like, yeah, right.
33:26
S7: I have the spiritual gift of food. And the woman
33:29
S7: next to her was like, no, you have the gift
33:32
S7: of hospitality.
33:33
S3: Yeah. And helps.
33:34
S2: In mercy.
33:36
S3: Yeah.
33:36
S7: Yes, exactly. And apparently the pastor of that church just
33:40
S7: a couple days before had been talking about the fact
33:43
S7: that they had all these new people coming into the
33:46
S7: church from some new businesses that were starting nearby, and
33:49
S7: they desperately needed people who could invite them over to
33:52
S7: their home after church for lunch and just get to
33:55
S7: know them and pull them into fellowship. And this girl
34:00
S7: just lit up and she's like, oh my gosh, I
34:02
S7: can do that. Like that, I, I would love doing that.
34:05
S7: The person next to her said, oh my gosh, that
34:09
S7: sounds exhausting because that wasn't her gift. Like we don't
34:14
S7: get out of being, having fellowship with others. But that
34:18
S7: was the way this one girl was designed. She's going
34:21
S7: to step into that and be a part of God's
34:24
S7: kingdom and thrive.
34:26
S2: You know, Shanti, we're getting breaking free from something because
34:29
S2: back in the day, I'm talking 30, 40 years ago,
34:33
S2: there was a call on the Christian life to strengthen
34:36
S2: where you're weak and all that. And now there's been
34:39
S2: a shift in the last 20 years where it's like,
34:41
S2: thrive when you're strong. Don't make that an excuse to
34:44
S2: be weak, like to have bad character or something. Why
34:47
S2: is that? You've got research. You must about people that
34:51
S2: step into their gifting, into their They're calling, how that
34:56
S2: can help you thrive. There's got to be data points
34:59
S2: on that.
34:59
S7: Oh, so much data. Like anyone who's listening to this,
35:03
S7: who has any kind of a leadership background or business background,
35:08
S7: anyone who's done strengthsfinder, like all of those things are
35:12
S7: basically they're so data supported. And there's one other, there's
35:16
S7: one sort of key reason for this that we can't
35:19
S7: get away from, which is that God has actually designed
35:23
S7: each of us very specifically. Ephesians 210. We are God's workmanship.
35:30
S7: You get the you get the impression of like a craftsman,
35:34
S7: like a master craftsman, like working on something in his workshop.
35:37
S7: We are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do
35:43
S7: specific good works that he prepared in advance for us
35:48
S7: to do. And so our brains literally, when you do
35:52
S7: fMRI scans of brains and you see how the different
35:56
S7: brains function. You'll see, oh my goodness. Like this person
35:59
S7: is actually designed to be able to like process verbally, really,
36:04
S7: really well, whereas this person is designed to really go
36:08
S7: deep and kind of think about something before they process verbally. Well, gee,
36:13
S7: guess what? Like maybe somebody is designed to, I don't know,
36:17
S7: be a public speaker or be a teacher or be
36:20
S7: something that requires a lot of verbal processing and the
36:23
S7: other person is designed to be, I don't know, maybe
36:26
S7: an analyst, maybe something that requires that deep internal processing.
36:30
S7: We're designed differently. And when we step into that and go, okay, God,
36:35
S7: thank you for that. What does that look like? Guess what?
36:38
S7: The yoke feels easy and the burden feels light.
36:42
S2: Shanti Feldhuhn, my guest right now, and I'm going to
36:44
S2: give you a link here. In fact, I'm going to
36:46
S2: give it right now. Text the word thrive to (800) 555-7898.
36:51
S2: Thrive to 805 557898. We're going to have links there
36:56
S2: for everything you need, including her website, which is super
36:59
S2: robust and phenomenal. So you want to check that out. Shanti.
37:04
S2: How does this work for you? I mean, here's what's funny.
37:07
S2: You're being you're a data analyst. You look at this
37:11
S2: kind of stuff constantly. There must have been a time
37:13
S2: when you thought, ooh, I need to be different than that.
37:17
S2: When did you embrace it fully?
37:20
S3: I'm not saying it's bad, but I'm saying.
37:23
S7: No, I totally I totally, totally get it. I'll give
37:28
S7: you a I'm going to give you an example that's
37:30
S7: going to lose me all my credibility with your listeners.
37:33
S3: Love it.
37:34
S7: So, okay. I have recently gotten a PhD in counseling
37:38
S7: and psychological studies.
37:40
S3: Oh, I didn't know that. Okay.
37:42
S7: So yeah, so, so this is something long story. I
37:44
S7: never wanted a PhD. It's. Anyway, long story, but it
37:48
S7: was one of those things where God was like, yeah,
37:50
S7: you're going to do this. It's like, okay, but I
37:54
S7: needed to do the version of getting the research oriented
37:58
S7: and leadership oriented PhD in counseling and psychological studies, not
38:03
S7: the licensed clinician version, because God has not designed me
38:08
S7: that way.
38:09
S3: Would drive you crazy.
38:11
S2: The little bit I know you, you'd be like, ah.
38:14
S7: For years, for years. As for women only took off
38:18
S7: and then for men only took off. And I started
38:20
S7: doing all these, you know, women's events. And Jeff and
38:22
S7: I do marriage conferences and like people would come up
38:25
S7: to us. Oh my gosh, here's this thing that's happening.
38:28
S7: What should we do? We need some counsel. And I'm like,
38:31
S7: for years, I felt like there was something wrong with
38:34
S7: me that I couldn't be a counselor. And finally I realized,
38:38
S7: wait a minute, that's not how God has wired me.
38:41
S7: And so I instead would be like, look, I, I
38:44
S7: wish I could answer that question. I would have to
38:46
S7: do a two year research study and get back to you. But,
38:49
S7: but like, here are some principles that might matter. And
38:53
S7: then here's a counselor you can go talk to if
38:56
S7: you need to. And to be like, okay, with the
38:59
S7: fact that this is how God has wired me.
39:02
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39:32
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39:37
S2: Paul says all of them are the outflow of unredeemed time,
39:41
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39:44
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39:49
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40:27
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40:27
S2: Amen. All right, young Thunder, uh, you and I go first.
40:31
S2: I've been going first all day. Yeah, well, I'll go
40:33
S2: first again. Um, I used to be news and sports
40:37
S2: to a major fault. Watching sports. Too many sports. And
40:43
S2: my bride spoke to me many, many years ago. God
40:46
S2: gave me not only victory over that. Now the older
40:49
S2: I get, the more I realize, good grief, sports seasons
40:53
S2: come and go. Get over it.
40:54
S3: Already.
40:55
S2: Yeah, it's.
40:56
S3: A game.
40:56
S5: So.
40:56
S3: Fast.
40:57
S2: I mean, have fun with it, but don't get all
40:59
S2: involved in it to the point where your joy is
41:02
S2: at risk.
41:02
S5: Oh yeah. I mean, 100%. I was talking with my
41:04
S5: wife about it because the Chicago Bears, my favorite team, uh,
41:08
S5: have games on Thanksgiving and Christmas this year. And I said,
41:12
S5: my goal this year is to not let the Chicago
41:15
S5: Bears ruin my, my mood on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
41:22
S2: You've already looked at the.
41:23
S3: Schedule, already.
41:24
S5: Looked at the schedule.
41:24
S3: I know where they're going.
41:25
S2: They're playing on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
41:27
S3: Day.
41:28
S5: And Christmas Day. And so I you know what?
41:31
S2: You're trying to get some crazy soundbites from Ben Johnson.
41:33
S2: That's what they're.
41:34
S3: Trying to do.
41:35
S5: Definitely, definitely. But they they dictate my mood a little
41:39
S5: too often sometimes. And I'm trying to let that not
41:41
S5: be a thing so much this year.
41:43
S2: Oh my goodness.
41:44
S5: Yeah.
41:46
S2: Okay, so mine is news, uh, international news, even Middle
41:51
S2: East news. You can, you can get too much. You
41:53
S2: can spend too much time on news feeds. I mean,
41:56
S2: you can justify it. Trust me. Get in line behind me.
41:58
S2: If you want to go for the Justification Junction. I'm
42:01
S2: good at it. I can explain away. I can explain
42:05
S2: away overexposure to news better than anyone. I can explain it.
42:11
S5: I mean, there is a level it's hard because there
42:15
S5: is some level of importance to being node up on
42:17
S5: what's going on around the world.
42:19
S2: Sure. But then there's a point of absurdity. Sure. Where
42:22
S2: it's like, oh, come on. Because when you start wanting
42:24
S2: to know what pundits are saying and what this knucklehead saying,
42:28
S2: and the dialogue in your head is, these people are idiots.
42:31
S5: Yeah.
42:32
S2: Then you've gone too far. All right. So asking you
42:35
S2: a question. What are you wasting your time on set? Simple.
42:40
S2: What are you wasting your time on? 805, five, five, 78, 98.
42:44
S2: I'll go through them here in just a moment. Come on.
42:46
S2: What are you wasting your time on? Let's go. 805. Five. Five. 78, 98.
42:51
S2: They're pouring in here. Uh, young thunder.
42:53
S5: I think for me, I've got two different ways that
42:55
S5: I can do it. My first one is the large
42:58
S5: blocks of time that I can waste. And that's with
43:00
S5: video games. I, I can definitely sit there and just
43:03
S5: play video games. If I, if I had no control
43:07
S5: over it, I could sit there literally all day. I could,
43:10
S5: I don't, but I could, uh, and I can waste
43:13
S5: large blocks of time doing that. And the other one
43:16
S5: is more subtle because I don't have like, you know,
43:19
S5: all of the different streaming services to get all the
43:21
S5: baseball games and football games that I want to get,
43:24
S5: but I can sit there on my phone checking updates
43:27
S5: for it while I'm doing something else.
43:29
S2: Maybe you ever do you ever hit refresh over and
43:32
S2: over again?
43:32
S5: Yes. And it's really I mean, it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing.
43:36
S2: So embarrassing.
43:37
S5: Nothing has changed in the three seconds. I just checked
43:39
S5: it like I just checked it three seconds ago. And
43:42
S5: why would anything be different? But even.
43:44
S2: 30s.
43:45
S5: Even at 30s.
43:46
S2: But I mean, what if you're the hundredth person in
43:48
S2: the United States to find out and not the fifth?
43:52
S5: I mean.
43:52
S2: Is that okay?
43:53
S5: Everything might fall apart if I'm if I'm three people
43:56
S5: down the list. But no, you can. It's the subtle
43:59
S5: ways you waste time to while you're supposed to be
44:01
S5: doing other things.
44:02
S2: Oh, what's this thing, man? I see more than one
44:04
S2: of it playing mahjong. Mahjong?
44:07
S5: Mahjong?
44:07
S2: Mahjong.
44:08
S5: What is that? I think it's a card game. Mahjong?
44:11
S2: Is it an online card game? Uh, MAYMAH. Oh, it's a.
44:16
S5: It's like a tile game, so. Oh, no.
44:19
S2: Yeah, it's one of those.
44:20
S5: It's, uh. And yes, you can play it online.
44:23
S2: Okay. There's the problem right there. Too long on mahjong.
44:29
S2: That's what we're talking about. Uh, waste time on imaginary
44:34
S2: arguments with the ill informed. Oh. That's hilarious.
44:37
S5: That happens.
44:38
S2: Uh. Scrolling for life hacks and cooking videos. Part hobby,
44:42
S2: part part productivity in quotes. Television, social media for sure.
44:48
S2: Naps not knows. Those are okay. Yeah, I'm telling you,
44:52
S2: you can. Naps. Nap to the glory of God. Can
44:54
S2: you nap too much?
44:57
S5: Yeah.
44:58
S2: Yeah. Daydreaming. Okay. Reddit. Mortgage rate forums. Okay, now we're
45:06
S2: getting honest.
45:07
S5: That's real.
45:08
S2: At one point was a Substack. Uh, it was Substack
45:11
S2: for news myself. Yeah. Substack is a bottomless pit. Uh,
45:16
S2: can sit on the edge of the bed for 20
45:18
S2: minutes or so, thinking about all the things that I
45:20
S2: need to do.
45:22
S5: That's so real.
45:24
S2: Oh, I love the boom crew. You guys are awesome.
45:26
S2: Procrastinating to avoid unpleasant tasks. Very real.
45:30
S5: Absolutely.
45:31
S2: Watching too much TV drama series. YouTube shorts going down,
45:35
S2: conspiracy rabbit holes. These are all different people here, guys.
45:38
S2: This is not one guy saying this or else you'd
45:41
S2: have a real you got to get him on a stretcher,
45:43
S2: get him on a gurney.
45:44
S5: I don't think he'd be doing anything else.
45:46
S2: All right. We got this major phenomenon coming again to
45:50
S2: long on May Zhong oh again and again. They're in here.
45:54
S5: Like I'm surprised I haven't heard mahjong in forever.
45:57
S2: Is it mahjong. Mahjong. Mahjong too long on mahjong. Uh.
46:03
S2: Now I'm sounding like it's French and it's not French.
46:06
S2: It's not French. Uh. I watched time with no brain
46:11
S2: TV for hours.
46:13
S5: I waste time, I waste.
46:15
S2: Time, that's what I'm trying to say. It's too much time.
46:17
S2: They can't form a sentence now. See what it does
46:20
S2: to you.
46:20
S5: Just cooking your brain.
46:26
S2: It's cooking your brain. When you can't type a text.
46:30
S2: You've been on mahjong too long. Oh my goodness.
46:37
S5: Wow.
46:38
S2: It's Carlin dude.
46:39
S5: It's Carlin.
46:40
S2: Dude. Uh, comparison managing stuff. I don't even need Zillow. Zillow? Yeah.
46:45
S2: That's good. Finding out how much your neighbor paid for
46:48
S2: his home.
46:49
S5: Yes.
46:53
S2: And there is no end to how much time you
46:56
S2: can spend. And now here's a real bummer. We're giving
46:59
S2: ideas to people.
47:01
S5: Of other things. What do you do?
47:03
S2: What is this? Mahjong.
47:05
S5: Maybe I should try that. Yeah.
47:07
S2: Oh, you can find out your neighbor's value of his home.
47:12
S5: I've done that on Zillow, where I go. You have
47:14
S5: not on my neighbor's home. That's awful. But I go,
47:17
S5: and I go. Ah, you know, my childhood home. I
47:19
S5: wonder what that costs.
47:21
S2: Oh, no, that's a great question.
47:23
S5: I mean.
47:23
S2: Matter of fact, I need to find out what the
47:25
S2: most recent acquisition price of my childhood home was.
47:29
S5: Well, that's fair too, because you had a hand in
47:31
S5: building the home that you.
47:33
S2: I'm talking about the early.
47:34
S5: One, the early.
47:34
S2: I was three years old, hammering holes in the subfloor
47:37
S2: by repeatedly beating on one nail and missing it. So
47:41
S2: my dad told me.
47:43
S5: That's awesome.
47:45
S2: Uh, here's a tough one. Imagining scenarios in my head
47:48
S2: that never end up happening.
47:50
S5: Oh. Yep. Absolutely. That can freeze us up into wasting time.
47:54
S2: Okay, take the time challenge. We're going to be breaking
47:57
S2: it down all week long. How do they get it?
47:59
S5: Just text the word time to 805 five, five, 78, 98.
48:03
S5: Real easy time to 805, five, five, 78, 98 the
48:07
S5: blog and a downloadable resource connected to it right there.
48:10
S2: Resources, guests all week long. We're getting to one here.
48:14
S2: Don't be too long on mahjong. Don't do it, man.
48:19
S2: Get off of there and Candy crush as well.
48:22
S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.
48:26
S1: Super dye is in the crew. It's curl and crew
48:30
S1: on Moody Radio.
48:32
S2: So this whole week we're tackling redeeming time and time redemption.
48:36
S2: Some of you might think, yeah, man, I'm not good
48:40
S2: at that. I've got a special guest. Tim Challies is
48:43
S2: with me right now. Tim. I think most people think
48:47
S2: I'm not good at redeeming time. And that would be accurate,
48:50
S2: wouldn't it, my friend?
48:52
S8: Yeah, I think it would be. That's a struggle for
48:54
S8: all of us. And it doesn't matter how far back
48:56
S8: you go in time. People have always struggled with that.
48:59
S2: You know, I've got a thought and I was going
49:01
S2: to throw this in later on, but I'm going to
49:02
S2: hit it right now. I have found more guys who
49:06
S2: I've been mentoring over the years that their issue isn't
49:10
S2: the nefarious stuff like pornography. I mean, that's where it's
49:13
S2: manifesting or just time wasting. It's actually unseized time. It's
49:19
S2: something a guy named Gordon MacDonald said many, many years ago,
49:22
S2: probably five decades now. And it's so true. Unseized time
49:25
S2: flows to our weaknesses This unredeemed time thing really is
49:30
S2: Satan's kitchen, isn't it, Tim?
49:32
S8: It certainly is. I think most of us look at
49:35
S8: it life at all the opportunities we could do. We
49:37
S8: know that in the abstract. There's enough time on this
49:39
S8: earth for us to accomplish what God means for us
49:42
S8: to do. But in order to accomplish what God means
49:44
S8: for us to do, we got to take hold of
49:46
S8: the time, don't we? And go out and chase those
49:48
S8: things that are significant or most meaningful for us?
49:52
S2: Yeah. Tim Challies with me right now. He's pastor, speaker, blogger, author.
49:56
S2: I don't know if you follow him on social media guys,
49:59
S2: but he's all over out there and God's using him.
50:01
S2: He serves as an elder at Grace Fellowship Church in Toronto, Canada,
50:05
S2: and he's got a work out called Do More Better
50:07
S2: A Practical Guide to Productivity. All right. We don't sell
50:11
S2: books around here. We hit topics. And so we're going
50:13
S2: to go after that and we'll give a link at
50:15
S2: the end of this interview boom crew so that you
50:17
S2: can get a look at this book for sure. But
50:19
S2: what caused you to do this? Why this?
50:23
S8: When I was writing this book, I was a bi
50:26
S8: vocational pastor. I was full time in ministry, full time
50:29
S8: in writing, and just overwhelmed by all the responsibilities upon me.
50:33
S8: Three young children in the house, etc. and I realized
50:36
S8: that I was trying to find quick fixes, just something
50:39
S8: that could paper over my problems. What I realized was
50:42
S8: I had to go digging deep into God's Word to
50:45
S8: see what does it mean to be productive? What does
50:47
S8: it mean to really redeem the time? And so, in
50:50
S8: place of quick fixes, I developed what became a book
50:53
S8: called Do More Better.
50:54
S2: Yeah, I love this do more, Better, A Practical Guide
50:57
S2: to Productivity. And again, we're going to give you a
50:58
S2: link here in a little bit. All right. Before we
51:00
S2: go to break, I want to affirm something for you here.
51:04
S2: I did a question on air. Oh goodness sakes. It's
51:07
S2: been three, four years, probably five years ago now. And
51:10
S2: I said, if there's one thing that's holding up everything
51:15
S2: in your life, what would it be if one missing
51:17
S2: the mark thing in your life? And I gave just
51:19
S2: a huge list of options by far and away, the
51:23
S2: biggest thing was I feel like a sluggard. I feel
51:27
S2: like a loser. I've got unredeemed time. I waste time,
51:31
S2: and then Satan beats me up with the very temptation.
51:34
S2: I've succumbed to. This is a real thing, isn't it, Tim?
51:38
S8: It most certainly is. And I think so many of
51:40
S8: us understand that we're grappling with this issue, but few
51:43
S8: of us are willing to take the kind of radical
51:45
S8: action that Jesus calls us to. If your hand is
51:48
S8: causing you to sin, lop it off, right? If your
51:50
S8: eye is causing you to sin, gouge it out. Well,
51:53
S8: if your phone is causing you to sin or TikTok
51:55
S8: is causing you to sin, or YouTube is causing to
51:58
S8: your sin, you to sin, you got to get rid
52:00
S8: of these things. You got to take action against them.
52:02
S8: Yet few are willing to do that.
52:04
S2: Can't cover the whole thing. But coming up here in
52:05
S2: a moment. Tim Challies with me right now. Do more better.
52:09
S2: A Practical Guide to Productivity. We're going to cherry pick
52:11
S2: a couple of high points straight ahead.
52:13
S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
52:17
S2: God longs for us today to seek him and ask
52:21
S2: him to move in ways that we never could.
52:23
S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
52:25
S2: With me right now, Tim Challies. He is a pastor, speaker, blogger.
52:30
S2: If you're social media at all, you've seen this guy
52:33
S2: and a lot of his work, it's dynamite content and
52:36
S2: he's got a workout called Do More Better A Practical
52:38
S2: Guide to Productivity. Our whole week this week is redeeming time,
52:42
S2: and I guess the encouraging word I studied this many
52:46
S2: years ago and I'm like, oh, Moses said to God,
52:50
S2: teach us to number our days, that we may gain
52:53
S2: a heart of wisdom. And the aha moment for me,
52:55
S2: Tim was wise. People don't redeem time. When you redeem time,
52:59
S2: you become wise, at least according to Moses's prayer. That's
53:03
S2: pretty cool, isn't it, Tim?
53:04
S8: It is absolutely. And by numbering our days, I think
53:07
S8: one of the things, the benefits that come to us
53:09
S8: is we understand both how much time we have and
53:12
S8: how little that sort of paradox that is so prominent
53:16
S8: in Scripture and Ecclesiastes. And when we understand God has
53:20
S8: given us his life means for us to use it well.
53:22
S8: And yet time is elapsing. That puts the onus on
53:25
S8: us to redeem that time. Not so we can feel
53:28
S8: good about ourselves, but so that we can honor God
53:31
S8: and serve his people the very thing he's called us
53:33
S8: to do.
53:33
S2: Love it again. Tim Kelly is my guest right now.
53:37
S2: All right, let's get into this because the stats are
53:40
S2: I'm just doing this from memory. 4 to 5 hours
53:44
S2: a day in utilizing social media, small screens, not even
53:49
S2: including TV, which I think is 1.5 to another two
53:53
S2: hours on average. Adults using these kind of devices, some
53:57
S2: for the good, most wasting time. I've pastor. So I
54:02
S2: have people tell me this all the time. Tim, we
54:05
S2: can't wake up and say tomorrow morning I'm going to
54:08
S2: have total victory over productivity. We fall on our face,
54:11
S2: don't we?
54:12
S8: We certainly do. And I think that's because not many
54:15
S8: of us go all the way back into Scripture to
54:18
S8: to face the big questions. What has God put us
54:21
S8: here for? What does God expect from me? What does
54:23
S8: God want me to use my life to accomplish? It's
54:26
S8: only when we go back and do that hard work
54:28
S8: and really build a firm foundation, that I think we
54:31
S8: can overcome the hurdles that stand between us and the
54:35
S8: life we know that God is calling us to lead.
54:37
S2: Give us one theological point that could cause a paradigm
54:41
S2: shift for a listener right now.
54:44
S8: I think just the fact that we exist in this
54:46
S8: world to glorify God by doing good for other people, right?
54:51
S8: That's your standard catechism answer. What do we exist for?
54:53
S8: To glorify God by doing good to others. And what
54:56
S8: does productivity then? Well, that's exactly what productivity is. It's
54:59
S8: not about giving myself a sense of accomplishment. It's not
55:02
S8: about just making myself feel good or enriching myself. It's
55:06
S8: about doing the very thing God has called me to do.
55:08
S8: Honoring him by serving the people that God brings into
55:12
S8: my life. That's a very fulfilling life, but it's a
55:14
S8: very hard one to attain.
55:16
S2: I love that, and I love that you have a
55:18
S2: book that's given us this Godward vision, a theological grid
55:21
S2: to think through, and then you get really practical. And
55:24
S2: I don't want to give away the whole book, but
55:26
S2: these three essential tools for getting things done. Everybody's dying
55:31
S2: to know what in the world are those tools? And
55:33
S2: then I know your book's going to tell us how
55:34
S2: to use them.
55:36
S8: One of the things I try to do in the
55:37
S8: book is, first I lay down the principles, and then
55:41
S8: I try to get extremely practical, just so people can
55:44
S8: follow along and start to build an actual system. And
55:47
S8: a good system of productivity depends upon using tools such
55:51
S8: as a calendar or a tool that holds your information,
55:55
S8: or a tool that helps you organize your to do list.
55:58
S8: Those three tools. If you can wrap your mind around
56:00
S8: them and use them well, can vastly enhance what you do.
56:04
S8: It can guide you toward the things you do want
56:06
S8: to do, and guide you away from the things you
56:08
S8: determine you don't want to do.
56:10
S2: I missed one calendar to do list and what was
56:12
S2: the third information?
56:14
S8: So how to store the information that's important to you.
56:16
S8: In the old days, this was a filing cabinet. Today,
56:19
S8: that might be something on your computer.
56:21
S2: That brings up an interesting point, because a lot of
56:23
S2: people that you're talking with, they had great filing systems
56:27
S2: set up and then the laptop came along. What do
56:31
S2: you do when you find yourself in a technological ditch
56:34
S2: right now and you feel like, good grief, Tim and Carl,
56:37
S2: I sure would like to get victory over this, but
56:39
S2: I don't I don't even know how to organize folders,
56:41
S2: let alone make one.
56:42
S8: One of the interesting dynamics in culture right now is
56:46
S8: that some people have had to emigrate into this digital world.
56:49
S8: You and I come from a generation where we knew
56:51
S8: what a filing cabinet was, and the calendar hung on
56:54
S8: the wall, and we got a new one every year, etc.
56:56
S8: the younger generation, they're digital natives. They've never seen a
56:59
S8: calendar hanging on a wall. They've never used a filing cabinet,
57:02
S8: and probably never held a sheet of paper. For all
57:05
S8: I know, some of us have had to immigrate into
57:07
S8: this world, and it's hard to learn how to do
57:09
S8: things in a new way as the world goes digital.
57:11
S8: But in the book, in the program, I lay out
57:13
S8: how to use those tools and how to learn to
57:15
S8: use them well.
57:16
S2: This is wonderful. What's the surprise that you learned of?
57:21
S2: I'm in the middle of writing a book right now,
57:23
S2: and the cool thing is, as much as you think
57:26
S2: you've got it figured out when you head into your premise,
57:29
S2: if you're really opening up the Word of God, you
57:31
S2: have fresh discoveries. Did you have one when you were
57:33
S2: writing this?
57:34
S8: Yeah, I had a few. Certainly just the importance of
57:37
S8: understanding what productivity is. I'm going to keep coming back
57:40
S8: to that because again, we're so prone to go to
57:43
S8: the quick fix. We just want to jump on Google
57:45
S8: and find a few quick tips that can change everything.
57:49
S8: But that's so rarely the way life works, especially when
57:52
S8: we have bad habits and deeply ingrained bad habits. And
57:56
S8: so going to the Word of God and really studying
57:58
S8: how does God want me to live and why I'm not?
58:00
S8: Why am I not already living that way? Finding that
58:03
S8: that really unlocks everything else. And we find our purpose
58:07
S8: for life in this world. Find our purpose for productivity.
58:10
S8: The doors start to swing wide open. And now, finally,
58:13
S8: we can live the life we know that God means
58:15
S8: for us to live.
58:16
S2: Love it. You know, there's an old timer, David Allen,
58:19
S2: who wrote a book called, I think it's titled Eat
58:21
S2: That Frog. And his whole premise was, we often get
58:25
S2: stuck from doing anything. We can't do anything because this
58:28
S2: big frog that seems so huge is just looming. This
58:34
S2: whole book was about getting that thing that seems impossible
58:38
S2: and impassable dealt with. What do you say about that?
58:41
S2: Because I've found that to be true. Oftentimes you can't
58:45
S2: get anything done because you got one or 2 or
58:47
S2: 3 things just staring you in your soul, almost mocking you.
58:51
S2: What do you say, Tim?
58:53
S8: Yeah, I would say usually those things aren't nearly as
58:55
S8: bad as you think they will be. So many people
58:58
S8: procrastinate filing their taxes because they think it's going to
59:01
S8: take months or years, and then they laugh at themselves
59:04
S8: when it takes half an hour. Most of those things
59:06
S8: that loom in the distance are that, and even if
59:09
S8: they are that big, it helps to break them down
59:11
S8: into smaller steps. If your to do item is write
59:14
S8: a book, that's a very daunting task. But if your
59:17
S8: todo item is to start the introduction to the book,
59:20
S8: it's much more attainable. So taking those big, big things,
59:23
S8: breaking them down into much smaller tasks gives us the
59:26
S8: momentum we need to get underway.
59:29
S2: Boom crew. I got to tell you, you got a
59:31
S2: little taste of something amazing here. Do more better. A
59:34
S2: Practical Guide to Productivity. And because we heard from tens
59:38
S2: of thousands of you that your issue was time management
59:42
S2: redeeming time. This is a tool that you got to grab.
59:46
S2: And I know you're saying give me the key word.
59:49
S2: So here it is. Text the word better right now. Better.
59:52
S2: We got a link not only to his website but
59:55
S2: directly to the book as well. Text the word better
59:58
S2: to 805 557898, better to 805 557898.