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It’s All About the Agenda · UK Column Radio

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Full Wiseman, thank you for joining me in the Dringers.
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Good to be here, Jen. Feels like a long time coming.
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Take me to the background you and of course the creation of
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Oracle Forms. So prior to 2020, I was working
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as a freelance camera operator, videographer, editor, you know,
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because I did some work for production companies and in
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commercial space events and, you know, just nothing remotely
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controversial. That was just how I earned
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living. And it wasn't super glamorous,
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but I enjoyed it. You know, I was able to keep the
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lights on and do something I enjoyed.
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And then I would say I had a network of freelancers that I
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would use to crew up events and things.
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And a good friend of mine is a guy called Liam Turner.
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And when COVID kicked off, I mean, Liam kind of saw it
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straight away. I mean, I'm ashamed to admit
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like took me a couple of weeks to sort of do some sense making
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and think this whatever this is, we're not being told the truth
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of it. And the more that you dug, the
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more layers you unpeeled. It's like right, this we're
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really not getting told the truth.
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Something, something quite sinister appears to be
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happening. So the first half of 2020, we,
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we sort out dissident voices, people that you, you know, were
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sort of resonating with us. And I felt like I was getting a
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closer version of the truth from.
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And also I, I noticed online that there was like a growing
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sort of resistance to this nonsense.
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It wasn't big, but there were, you know, people that were
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taking to the streets and, and breaking lockdowns and
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challenging the coronavirus act in the UK.
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And so I sort of had my finger on the pulse of all right, there
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are the people that think like this.
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And to the point that by around September of 2020, I felt
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compelled to go to one of the demonstrations in London.
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And, and I've been largely politically apathetic prior to
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all of this. You know, I wasn't a political
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person, but this felt important and it felt like, right, if
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you're not going to pay attention to what's happening
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now, then when are you going to pay attention?
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So we went to a demonstration and we thought, all right, well
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if we're going to go, then we may as well go and shoot it.
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So never been to a protest in my life.
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Really naively rocked up with myself, Liam, and another camera
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operator. Like we were filming a
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conference like 5 cameras, you know, like, and people were
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looking at us like who are you guys?
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You know, like, who are you working for and filmed that?
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And as it happens, just by chance, the the organiser with
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that demonstration is an activist in the UK called Fiona
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Hein. And she ended up organising a
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lot of the big marches that happened in the coming months
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and years. But she was going to Berlin in a
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couple of weeks from that point to do to record like a press
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conference with this group called the World Doctors
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Alliance, which was, you know, the sort of consortium of
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doctors and lawyers that had got together to speak out against
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all of this stuff. So just by virtue of going to
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that one protest, they saw our footage and they were like, OK,
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you guys need to come with us and record this press
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conference. So we kind of fell in and and
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into this large network of COVID dissidents and sort of made
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ourselves useful, I guess. And what we were putting out
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could have fallen on deaf ears. But as it happens, it seems to
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have resonated with a lot of people.
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And there was no sort of prior plan to what we were doing.
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One thing just truly led to another in quite a serendipitous
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way. So that one thing just begat
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another, really. And here we are.
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And sorry, I had my micro on mute and you have just released
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the agenda. Yep.
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Yeah. So that was effectively, it
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sounds crazy when I say it, but it was effectively the best part
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of two years of work. Now that's not constant work.
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Obviously I'm structuring that around actual paid work and, you
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know, family time and actually living a life.
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So any spare time that I had. So it was myself and Mark
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Sharman, the producer of the film, just not television as he
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remembers it by any stretch, putting it together and it
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started, Mark went to, you know, in the UK.
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I'm sure you may have similar where you are, but there are
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sort of local meet meet ups quite often with presentations
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and just kind of networking events for like minded people in
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our space. And Mark saw a presentation by a
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lady called Sandy Adams in 2023 that sort of resonated with him.
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And I was around that time, I was, I was reading a lot of
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Patrick Wood's work and Mark and I had done a film in 2022 called
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Safe and Effective a Second Opinion, which is the first time
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that we'd worked together. And that was kind of marks
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influence on our work, like trying to do a current affairs
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TV documentary sort of take on the vaccine, so called vaccine
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harms from the the jabs. And so we I think that it made a
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lot of noise. I mean, it got it got near the
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million views on YouTube. They got mentioned in Parliament
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in the UK and then it got pulled down as soon as it basically got
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got that far. But it's still available in like
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lots of places if you know where to look, as is a lot of our
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work. You know, I, I really need to go
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out of my way and back catalogue stuff that we've made over the
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years because I don't think it actually exists in one place.
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I mean, we've got accounts on Odyssey and Rumble and places,
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but I think people like yourself that knew, knew about us quite
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early on, probably seen a lot of the older stuff, but I, I
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definitely need to go and catalogue it, but I digress.
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So yeah, the agenda just sort of grew from this idea of
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essentially turning Sandy's presentation into like the
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cinematic equivalent of a PowerPoint presentation to then
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just growing in terms of scale and ambition.
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And, and a couple of months later, I saw a presentation by
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Aman Jabi at a similar event where he sort of dialled in
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remotely and gave a presentation on, you know, digital prisoner
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and on all of his areas of expertise.
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And just kind of blew my mind because that was my first
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exposure to Ananjabi. And man, there's, there's
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something here. I don't know what it looks like.
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It's like building a million piece jigsaw without a box, But
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there's something some way we must be able to pull together
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all of these disparate pieces and and put it in a, you know,
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like, so somebody like yourself, you know, you're clearly aware
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of a lot of big picture of what's happening it.
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There's probably not a lot of new information for you in the
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agenda, but the goal was to present it in a way that was
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like accessible to people who might not have come across this
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information before and in one place.
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So there's, you know, there's lots of facets to what's
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happening around the world, but people don't necessarily
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understand where it, where it leads and where it's sort of
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where it's sourced from. And it's, you know, you go high
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enough up and it appears to all be coming from same place or
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certainly the same ideology. Nick Hudson would, for example,
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was just by chance. I mean, I, I wanted to speak to
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him. Nick's somebody I know.
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He's a regular on your show and he's a good friend.
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Of mine. Yeah.
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Well, he and I obviously didn't know each other prior to this,
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but like we maintained contact throughout.
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I I, my first exposure to him was I saw the presentation he
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did in like March 21, I think. And that again, was like a huge
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thing for me. I remember saying to Nick when I
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finally met him, like that was the first sort of example of
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something where I was like, I could send this to anybody and
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you just demolished the narrative in such a measured,
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professional way. And I thought it was brilliant.
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And I've followed Nick since then.
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And, and, you know, we don't speak often, but we maintain
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contact. And I consider Nick a friend
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and, and he happened to be in the UKI was like, well, we're
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working on this film. It's early doors on the UN and
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it's quite a broad subject. Would you be interested in?
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He's like, yeah, I mean, when we shot something and he was in
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London and his interview was, you know, again, just
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serendipitously just perfect. I mean, Nick's got a habit of
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being word perfect. So like his little monologue at
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the end of the film, it's like you just nailed it in a couple
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of minutes. Like this, all of this nonsense
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that's happening, it's driven ultimately by an anti human
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mindset. And, you know, people who are so
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hubristic that they've come to see themselves as gods
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basically. They think they're entitled to
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tamper with the human genome and upgrade humans into human 2
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point O. And they feel like stewards of
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the earth and they feel like they're entitled to do so.
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And that's really, you know, frighteningly, I think that's
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the mindset that seems to be running the world.
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I play on the whole war theme with with with my show, you
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know, battle of ideas joining me in the trenches.
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We're in an information war full.
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Do you think we are winning the information war?
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It's a good question. Censorship is always, to me,
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it's been an indication that the fight's not over, if nothing
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else, because if where they'd won, like they wouldn't care.
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Like what people were saying, like, yeah, go and scream into
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the void. We don't care.
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Censorship during COVID was massive, which should have told
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you that. And it became so obvious, like
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you said this thing and now you're kicked off of Facebook.
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Like what? Exactly what they didn't want
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you speaking about. And so I think they lost, in my
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opinion, they lost the information war during COVID.
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However, what's happened since is that the censorship's got way
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more sophisticated and I think kind of more insidious.
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So, you know, Elon Musk reinstates everybody on Twitter
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and it's free speech platform now.
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Isn't it wonderful? But what's actually happened is
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that shadow banning and things are much more prevalent.
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So even though everybody feels like they're there and they can
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say what they like, you know, in their own words, you have
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freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.
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And so your voice can be dialled down algorithmically from a
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completely centralised position. And I think that's worse because
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you aren't even aware that that's happening.
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You know, like as I said, during COVID, this invoices got de
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platformed. And as soon as that happened,
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people that sort of clocked on to what was going on thought,
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well, I'm going to find out what he said because you don't want
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me to hear it. Whereas now I think the the
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censorships are a little bit more sophisticated and, and the
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free speech Twitter sign up. I mean, I don't know, you'll
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sort of take on the whole thing, but not buying it.
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But it also had the other consequence that during COVID, a
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lot of alt tech popped up in direct response to all the
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censorship. So you had all of these
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platforms, I guess, you know, Gab or Parlour or things were,
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you know, examples that their USP was we're not going to sense
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you and they gained a lot of traction.
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But as soon as free speech Twitter comes, it's like, well,
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Twitter wins by virtue of the network effect because
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everybody's on there and your one USP is now not a selling
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point. So all that old tech dies and
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all that investment into alternatives goes away.
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And it also had that consequence too.
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And not to mention, I think, you know, the dissidents are now
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corralled onto a platform that is clearly as ties to
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intelligence agencies. And it's like I, I, I believe
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they're actually stud. They did lose the information
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war during COVID, but they're studying how so called
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misinformation spreads now and they're trying to come up with
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more sophisticated ways to nip it in the bud.
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So I think it's ongoing. Are we winning?
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I hope so. I hope so.
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Another. Big problem is somebody like
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Trump who is extremely likeable. However, a pipe piper of note.
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Yeah, I mean, it's difficult to put your finger on because
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sometimes he'll come out and say something that you completely
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agree with. It's like, well, I'm glad he
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said that. But we have to do with people
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like Trump and Elon is actually look at what they're doing, not
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versus what they're saying. Because it's very easy to say
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something and get people on your side.
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But when you look at their actions, I mean, Elon Musk's
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investment portfolio is like a mirror image of the World
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Economic Forum's agenda. It's like, just because there's
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a different salesperson giving it to you, and I'm doing it
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under a libertarian front saying, dude, you're invested in
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brain chips and electric cars and, and surveillance grids and,
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and all this stuff. It's like it's the same thing.
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And you seem to be leading us in the same direction.
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But you're the the sales pitch has changed, but the direction
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of travel seems to be the same. And it's, it would be funny if
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it didn't appear to be so effective, you know, And I, I
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think Trump seems to be much the same where there's been, there's
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go on, no. Sorry, I interrupted, But he can
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say, well, we're going to bring digital ID in, but we'll do it
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via the border. Now we want to stop those
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Mexicans and suddenly millions and millions of people will
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suddenly now buy into the idea of digital ID.
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Correct. And yeah, again, it would be
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funny if it wasn't didn't appear to be working.
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I mean, and that's that's a, a methodology that's not exclusive
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to the USI mean the UK, we've had a massive illegal
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immigration problem that's sort of making headlines now.
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You know, Tommy Robinson's been pounding the drum and etcetera.
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But it's like this immensely divisive issue, which is a
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problem in and of itself, but it's clearly been a crisis
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that's been manufactured, it's been allowed to happen from on
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high. And this the solution has always
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been digital. ID say, well, now we, we need to
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impose a digital ID and, and that seems to be happening not
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just in America, but around the world.
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And you know, people as we stay in the film, you know, this has
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to be if if you didn't dig your heels in anywhere else, like you
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have to stop before you accept a digital ID.
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And I, I know they're going to make it difficult.
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I feel like the the vaccine passports during COVID were the
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first go around. Well, not the first, but you
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know, they were a very obvious attempt to impose some form of
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digital biometric system and it didn't, didn't float and people
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sported off. But this strategy, I mean, Tony
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Blair's emblematic of this ideology where he's for about 20
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years, he's been trying to bring some form of this system in.
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These people seem to come like how a shark attacks, right?
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So a shark will typically come in and and bite something and
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then let it sit there and then attack from another angle.
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So we're going like regroup and come and attack from another
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side. And I feel like that's how these
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people operate where every so often, potentially once in a
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generation, we have to fight this madness off.
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But what happens in the interim is this huge influx of
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indoctrination and propaganda that can convinces people that
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it's for their own good. And oh, maybe we do need this
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idea or, you know, the manufacturing of problems that
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think, oh, that's the solution. Isn't that funny?
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But we've got to say no to this digital ID nonsense, no matter
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who is selling it to you, whether it's Trump or it's Elon.
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Like it's and under a current administration it it might not
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be abused, but the potential for social control that it offers in
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the hands of the wrong person is.
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It's not worth any of the selling points they're giving
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me. Like you have to refuse it in my
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opinion. Andrew Treglia and Larkin Rose
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did a great film called The Jones Plantation, and that
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really is how how the world around us is.
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We are living in the Jones Plantation.
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People are choosing their own slavery.
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Yeah. And I think that's a long, like
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generations long process of engineering people's consent.
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And the climate narrative that we, you know, focus is a huge
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focus of the film is a great example of that, where they've
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conditioned you literally by buying the science.
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You know, you go back to the Club of Rome and they finance
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computer modelling to say that the world was going to end as we
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knew it unless we started serious impositions on people's
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lifestyles. You need to manage consumption
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and to manage population. And they also identified like
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disease, for example. And they basically went looking
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under Rockefeller duress for global problems that would
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require institutions like the UN to come in and effectively
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govern over. So a level of bureaucracy above
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the level of nation. That's why they existed.
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They were like this think tank to come in and find global
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problems to justify their existence.
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You know, effectively they were a solution without a problem.
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And and climate change was a big one.
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And through that for for decades now, you know, it's hard for
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young people now who have bought, you know, you accept the
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reality that you're bought up in.
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And I understand that. And it took me a while when I
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started, you know, floating the idea that climate change, a
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hoax, like all of it. Yeah, it is.
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But you and you can go back in your head like, well, why do I
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think it isn't? And it's, you know, it's goes
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back to school and teaches and everywhere around you, you know,
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all the media that you're presented with goes out of its
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way to convince you that we're in a crisis.
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And, and, you know, essentially sell you this narrative.
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But the narrative ultimately is about restricting as a
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restrictions on on your life. But in this, in this very it,
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it's just like Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, which is a
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parallel that we draw upon. He said essentially you, you
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propagandise people to love their enslavement.
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And that's what they've done with the climate narrative.
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So the point where, you know, maybe 10 years from now, people
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will be happy, You know, they'll gloat about the fact it'll be a
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virtue signal that I don't eat meat and I don't drive a car, or
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I don't own a car or I don't fly on an aeroplane because it's for
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the good of the planet. It's this dangerous sort of
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collectivist mindset that they've ingrained in people.
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And, you know, a few generations ago, it would have been madness
18:58
because people saw through it. But it's very deeply entrenched
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now. And we've got to call it what it
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is, in my opinion. You mentioned Aldous Huxley and
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the agenda opens with a quote from him.
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The nightmare of total organisation has emerged and is
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now awaiting us just around the next corner.
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Yeah. And and for the record, I don't
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think Huxley was a prophet either.
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I mean, you, I don't know if you've gone down that rabbit
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hole, but his brother Julian Huxley was the first director
19:30
general of UNESCO at the UN. So like, and he was a very open
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eugenicist and he was in these circles of people, you know,
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Fabian Society, etcetera, that was bringing the stuff in.
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So it's like, yeah, Brave New World's a huge sort of red flag
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and a, and a, you know, warning manual.
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But he knew what was coming down the pipeline and, and whether it
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was a genuine warning or, or something else, I don't know.
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I mean, I prefer the writings of somebody like CS Lewis from that
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time who could clearly see the technocratic.
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You know, scientism that was coming in like, not science as a
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process, but science as an institution and the dangers of
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that. But as I say, you know, it's
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there's a tendency, I suppose, when you start researching the
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stuff to want to show your work and be like, oh, by the way,
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Huxley was this and he was that. But you know, we used the quote
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because it is, as it happens, perfect example of what's
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happening in the world. What is the agenda?
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You mean the film or what is the plan?
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The plan the. Plan as I see it, crazy as it
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might sound to somebody who's not come across this information
20:50
before, is to enslave humanity, to usher them into city centres
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where they can be surveilled and sort of cordon off large areas
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of the earth. For an entitled few who see
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themselves as stewards of the earth and see themselves as
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entitled to govern it and best suited, you know, under sort of
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a Darwinist, Darwinist mindset, they feel like it's survival of
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the fittest. We've accrued all of this
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wealth, accrued all this power. It's our duty to use it for the
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good of the world as we see it, and they appear to look at
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regular people as useless eaters.
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I think they've tolerated humanity up until this point in
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time because at any other period in history it would have been
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suicide for the few to wage war on the many.
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But technology and the digital prison that we seem to have
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constructed around ourselves unwittingly is the great
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equaliser for these people. And it is now possible under a
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digital ID and a central bank digital currency system to
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socially engineer people and control them on a mass scale in
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a way that's never been possible before.
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And so I feel like this transnational ruling class has
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put itself on display. You know, it certainly did
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through COVID. Like, you know, there was
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clearly a level of coordination above the level of nation that
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put itself on display during COVID.
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And as it gets closer and closer to its end game, I think it's
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going to become clearer. So.
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So that's the agenda as I see it is total control and subjugation
22:38
of of normal people, but at the hands of some megalomaniacs.
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I guess in other words, so it's all good news.
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Sounds, sounds very positive, yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, I guess another way of,
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of putting it is technocracy, central control.
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I mean, some of the overarching themes of the film are, are
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exactly that digital IDs, mass surveillance, the the attack on
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agriculture, which is something that many people just don't seem
23:09
to talk about. And and of course the idea of a
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resource based economy, which was funnily enough spoken about
23:20
many years ago. Do you remember a film called
23:23
Zeitgeist? Yeah, yeah, it.
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Was like this whack job film that came out that nobody took
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seriously. Yeah, I, I remember it.
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Yeah, it was it like early 2000s.
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Yeah, yeah, totally. And I mean, I should have just
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said technocracy. If that would have been in a
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nutshell, I wouldn't have to ramble on a few.
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Minutes. But yeah, essentially, like when
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you, I mean, like, like John D Rockefeller is this example,
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right? And this was a big, like,
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revelation for me when we're making the film.
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Like if if you were part of the organisation that ushered in the
24:03
Federal Reserve and you knew that the Fiat currency system
24:07
was effectively on borrowed time and you knew it had an expiry
24:12
date, right? Like eventually we're going to
24:14
hyperinflate ourselves into destruction and something.
24:17
So we're, we're on the cusp of a major financial boundary event.
24:22
Central bankers know that before they bring that system in.
24:25
So we're talking like, you know, essentially maybe a century ago,
24:30
they knew this and that research that was going on at Columbia
24:34
University in search of a new like a replacement of capitalism
24:38
in free enterprise. That was technocracy.
24:40
I think that was ultimately the purpose of it.
24:42
So find a replacement system to bring in when the Fiat currency
24:47
system inevitably collapsed. And the resource side of it, you
24:51
know, going back to John D Rockefeller, like he clearly
24:54
figured out at some point, right.
24:57
If if I own oil, if I own a vital resource, it doesn't
25:02
matter if we're the currency system in the world is sticks
25:05
and stones, I own the oil, right.
25:07
So if the Fiat monetary system collapses, it doesn't matter
25:10
because they own the resources. And then what we've seen over
25:13
the last century is this immense land grab and resource grab by a
25:19
concentrated group of people. And I feel like that was in
25:23
preparation for what's coming. The the resource based economy
25:28
idea is is actually a lot bigger than I think we realise.
25:33
I mean, the entire UN sustainable development agenda
25:37
is based on that. Correct.
25:40
Yeah. And the Agenda 21 was a good
25:43
example where that was never put to vote to the public.
25:45
There was no democratic process. We signed a pledge effectively
25:50
or our leaders signed up to it and committed us.
25:54
And that's been direction of travel for the UN since its
25:58
inception, where bit by bit you erode away at national
26:01
sovereignty and inherently acquire more controlling
26:05
interests yourself as a supranational organisation.
26:09
And if that's the modus operandi of institutions like the UN and
26:14
the West, I don't know if you've ever sat down and tried to read
26:17
some of these policy frameworks they've put together.
26:19
Yes, I have and. It's.
26:21
So complicated. But like they're they read the
26:24
same. Right, like they're so saying
26:26
this. Yeah, so and they use catch.
26:28
Phrases, by the way, sorry. Yes, and like all of this
26:31
Orwellian doublespeak that we talk about in the film as well,
26:34
you know, things like diversity and equity and inclusion, which
26:36
sounds so wonderful, but they read almost like they're written
26:41
by AI. And I know that's not possible
26:43
because it wasn't around when some of this stuff starts, you
26:45
know, was being churned out. There's a there's a really good
26:48
researcher that you might not come across.
26:50
It goes by the name of Escape Key and you credit him at the
26:54
end of the film. And as far as I'm as far as I'm
26:56
aware, he's like one guy and he is going out of his way to
27:01
actually engage with and read this stuff and get AI to analyse
27:05
it. And, you know, looking at things
27:08
like general systems theory by Jay Forrester and the Club of
27:11
Rome and, and how this stuff came about and the on a very
27:15
deep level, you know, if you're new to this stuff, it's probably
27:17
not for you. But if you're really interested
27:19
in looking at the nonsense that these people spout and you don't
27:22
want to sit down and read a 500 page policy framework escape
27:26
keys doing amazing work. And he's what I found is like,
27:29
he's so shadow banned. He's you know, he's just
27:32
vanishes from Twitter. And I see like the the social
27:36
credit system on Twitter in effect with him.
27:39
If I retweet him like my reach is limited, you know he's.
27:44
I'm just sorry I've just opened X now and he's banned.
27:50
This account does not exist. That that will show him.
27:56
But I think he's on sub stack, he's on Telegram and he seems
27:59
like a good guy. And you know, again, not not for
28:02
the uninitiated, but if you're interested in looking at this
28:04
stuff in great detail, he's a great place to to look at.
28:08
And there's lots of people doing good work in this area.
28:11
But yeah, I call it like excessive verbiage that these
28:14
people use was absolute word salad that makes it almost
28:18
impossible to read. And I think that's by design as
28:21
well. I think they're writing in code.
28:24
There are actual, you know, a lot of the terms don't mean what
28:26
they say they mean. And also they just pad it out
28:29
with so much excessive verbiage that it's impenetrable to.
28:32
Why would an average person sit down and read this nonsense?
28:35
Yeah, but they also make it sound good, like they want to
28:39
end world hunger. I mean, full.
28:41
Do you really want people to starve?
28:43
What's wrong with you? Well.
28:44
I find it curious that during COVID we found the means through
28:49
which to vaccinate billions of people.
28:51
And, you know, almost overnight we mobilised the logistics to
28:55
get that product or those products to billions of people.
28:59
But we haven't been able to feed people.
29:01
You know, that's just not possible.
29:02
The money's not there. But just all showing to the UN
29:06
comment earlier, net zero, I mean, carbon net 0 is probably
29:12
the foundation of all of these policy frameworks because that
29:17
allows them to build digital ID on top of as well as CBDC or
29:25
some variant of it. Because people in the Trump camp
29:30
now going, well, Trump doesn't like CBDC's, there we go, he's
29:33
ended it. But they don't realise that
29:35
these agendas don't suddenly stop.
29:40
It's ridiculous. Someone.
29:42
Someone. Said yesterday, sorry someone
29:43
said yesterday he's going to end the Fed and, and, and you'll
29:48
see, I mean. Well, it's like, you know, when
29:51
he got in and he started issuing all of these executive orders
29:53
and he was rattling them off and a lot of them sounded really
29:56
good. It's like, man, this sounds like
29:57
he's, you know, he's well intentioned, he's a little bit
30:00
wiser this time around. You know, he's getting pulling
30:02
the US out of the Hoo and all that stuff.
30:04
But what people don't realise is if he's able to do that in the
30:07
first few days of his administration, the next person
30:10
that gets in just like Biden did, right, can just put you
30:12
straight back in. It's if it's that easy to
30:15
withdraw, it's just as easy to go back in.
30:17
So the executive orders as I see them, you know, they sound good
30:22
and they really make it look like he's doing good stuff.
30:25
But there's nothing permanent there and there's nothing to say
30:29
that they couldn't be overridden by his successor, whoever that
30:33
might be. I mean, I brought attention a
30:35
few days ago to a document by the Trilateral Commission.
30:38
So if you go on the Trilateral Commission's website, they have
30:41
this document called Capitalism in Transition.
30:44
And in that they advocate for all the same stuff.
30:48
And they identify that they, they claim that we're a shifting
30:50
to a fifth stage of capitalism, which is effectively, you know,
30:55
Klaus Schwab's stakeholder capitalism nonsense in different
30:59
terminology. And they identify three areas
31:05
that are primary focus. And the first is the climate
31:08
crisis and how we need to be shifting to a net zero world by
31:11
2050, which which again enables total centralisation, you know,
31:17
the electrification of the grid, which is, you know, these
31:23
technologies themselves aren't inherently bad.
31:25
People think that I'm having a go at solar or wind or whatever.
31:29
It's like, no, in principle they're fine and solar panels
31:32
can be useful on an individual level, but like as a means of
31:36
powering the grid, they're not reliable and they're not stable.
31:39
And the idea that you can just bin 85% of the world's energy
31:44
from hydrocarbon in 30 years and replace it with that which isn't
31:49
stable and it's not, you know, I mean, Spain found out the hard
31:52
way recently, right? We were parental blackout and,
31:55
and the National Grid in the UK is very open about this, that
31:59
we're going to have to control demand by the flexibly pricing
32:07
the supply of electricity. So we're, they're telling you we
32:10
are going to price you out of using electricity, whether you
32:13
like it or not through the use of smart metres, which can do
32:16
minute by minute pricing. We're going to determine the
32:18
price of electricity. And so we could realistically be
32:21
in a position in a few decades where people are like setting an
32:25
alarm to get up at 3:00 AM to take a shower because that's
32:28
when the electricity is cheaper. Like going back to a pre
32:32
industrial age way of living. And, and it's a feudalist system
32:37
really. And I think that's how they want
32:39
it. You know it's a governing class
32:43
ruling over the the useless eaters.
32:45
Yeah, and it's based on the myth that humans are warming up
32:51
Earth. Yes, it's so stupid as as Alex
32:55
Newman says. So as as you're not talking here
32:59
in Cape Town, it is 10°C outside and it is raining.
33:06
How's that for global boiling? You could you guys could do with
33:09
some boiling over there, Yeah. But ultimately.
33:15
People buy into this. That's why I said earlier it's
33:18
the Jones Plantation. But it's this process of
33:22
creating a crisis. And you know, most people are
33:27
well intentioned for a start, so they don't they don't
33:29
immediately assume bad actors. It's only when you've that
33:33
switch flicks in your head and you're like, right, these people
33:35
are actually not acting in my interest at all, Then a lot of
33:39
things start to become clear. But until you look at the world
33:42
through that lens and you assume the best of people, as most
33:45
empathetic people do, you'll try to justify things that they're
33:49
doing, you'll rationalise it Well, you know they wouldn't lie
33:53
to me on such a scale. Unfortunately they would.
33:57
And they're really not acting in your interest.
33:59
This. Is also a good point because
34:01
unfortunately a lot of people on our side have become too
34:03
blackballed and, and everything is just nihilistic and, and
34:08
chaotic. And what that ultimately does on
34:12
a personal level is that it puts you into a into a place of
34:16
depression and darkness, and that is the ultimate defeat.
34:21
Yeah, you can sort of spiral inwards to a point where, and I
34:25
get it, like people's trust has been betrayed on such a scale.
34:29
It's like, I don't know who to trust.
34:30
And so you're sceptical of everybody, you're sceptical of
34:33
everything. And then I watched your
34:36
conversation with Zubi a few days ago, which I thought was
34:41
really refreshing. And I'm conscious now that I'm
34:43
like massively negative. And please don't get the
34:45
impression that I'm blackpilled at all.
34:47
I agreed with a lot of what you guys said, right?
34:49
But you know, equally this isn't, I mean, the agenda is a
34:54
lot of things and we've had a lot of compliments on it, but
34:56
it's not a pleasant watch. It's a bad situation, right?
34:58
It's painting a picture of a pretty bad situation.
35:02
But the blackpilling doesn't help because whether you're
35:07
afraid of the manufactured crises that they're presenting
35:10
to you or you're afraid of what's coming down the pipeline,
35:13
you're still living your life in fear.
35:15
And you're letting this narrative one way or the other
35:19
dictate the way you live your life.
35:20
So I think like the ultimate point of rebellion is, you know,
35:25
be a good father and, you know, spend time in nature and enjoy
35:28
yourself and laugh through the nonsense.
35:30
And it sounds, you know, like woo woo.
35:34
But like, if enough people did that alone, just stop paying
35:37
attention to this crap. Stop engaging with mainstream
35:40
media and just stop reacting to the news, right?
35:45
By all means, watch it, figure out what's going on, but stop
35:47
reacting to it. I see that people on our side a
35:49
lot where they'll share this headline in outrage.
35:52
Can you believe this? Dude, stop giving it your
35:55
energy. Stop scrolling.
35:57
Yeah, stop reacting to it. It doesn't do you any good.
36:03
And yeah, Blackpooling, as I say, I get it.
36:06
And we've even had people over the years which when you, if you
36:09
could see how small an operation we are, right.
36:12
But people have been like, you guys have controlled that
36:14
position you're doing, you know, me and Mark working out of it.
36:17
Getting. Shared office space and stuff.
36:19
It's in a way I suppose. For lack of what that that that
36:24
controlled opposition, gatekeeping, limited hangout
36:27
label. It's become the new sexist,
36:30
racist climate change denier. In a way, there's a compliment
36:34
in there and but The thing is like the more you try to defend
36:39
yourself against it, the more you just feed into it.
36:41
So unfortunately, you know, it's unfortunate, but I, I just have
36:46
to accept like I understand where people are, right?
36:51
Nothing I can say after what's happened in the last five years
36:53
can make, can make you trust me. I'm not asking you to.
36:57
If you don't want to trust me, don't, you know, go find
37:00
somebody else to listen to. I'm only doing what I as I read
37:05
it as much as I possibly can. Like I'm not a doctor or
37:08
scientist or anything. I'm a camera operator and an
37:11
editor prior to this, and I wasn't doing anything remotely
37:13
controversial prior to all this nonsense, but I felt compelled
37:17
to do something, whatever that looked like.
37:21
So that's what I'm doing. And you know, if people don't
37:23
like the way I'm doing that, that's, that's fair enough.
37:25
But I don't understand the mindset of like trying to cut
37:29
down people that are doing stuff proactively, you know?
37:33
It's the purity test, you know, if you aren't a mirror image of
37:36
that person, then you are a gatekeeper.
37:41
Yeah, seems to be that way. And it's very stupid because
37:46
because people learn and open their eyes at different paces.
37:51
Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you want
37:54
to talk about this, but I know like you're a big proponent of
37:57
the, you know, the no virus thing, right?
38:01
I'm very sympathetic to it. Yes, I I won't make the claim,
38:03
but I am sympathetic to it. Well, I mean, I very early on
38:07
during COVID, a lot of the distant voices I was hearing
38:10
were the likes of Andrew Kaufman and Tom Cowan and people like
38:15
that. And I made contact with Andy
38:17
and, you know, Kevin Corbett is another one in the UK.
38:20
And I know I did interviews with those guys and I've got a lot of
38:23
respect for them. And, you know, I've not sort of
38:28
spoken to them that recently. Kevin would occasionally give me
38:30
a smack on the wrist and say, hey, great film, but way to
38:32
reinforce the virus narrative. I'm sympathetic to those guys.
38:38
And something in me honestly tells me I think they're right.
38:41
Like, I think, I think that's how deep the lie goes.
38:46
But what I found was like, I mean, I'm in the business of
38:50
communication. And as the consequences to what
38:54
was happening were getting more severe, like, you know, they
38:57
were trying to vaccinate children, for example, I was
39:01
banging my head against the wall by leading the argument with
39:03
like, well, you know, the virus doesn't exist, right?
39:06
Yes, I get that also, and it's it's profound.
39:09
Sorry for interrupting you again, but it's profoundly
39:11
annoying. You know, I just recently
39:13
interviewed Andrew Wakefield, who has done incredible work in,
39:17
you know, in vaccines. And he was destroyed by the
39:20
Pharmaceutical industry because of a peer reviewed paper that
39:23
didn't even make a claim. It just said more research is
39:26
needed, right? And then I get comments from
39:29
people saying, oh, but you know, he's a shield because he still
39:33
believes in contagion. Like, dude, how do we go?
39:38
Where do we go from here? I.
39:39
Understand people's frustration because it feels like there's
39:42
been, I'm not saying that. I'm saying like, from their
39:45
observation as I read it, it feels like that view has been
39:50
censored. So as I said, Andy Kaufman's
39:53
voice was quite loud at the start of COVID.
39:55
And I've got a lot of respect for Andy for putting his head
39:57
above the parapet. And in my experience, he's a
39:59
wonderful person. And you know, he and I have had
40:01
good conversations over the years.
40:06
But equally, I've come across people that are adamant he's
40:08
dead wrong. People like good people, you
40:10
know, and, and I'm, I'm, I'm not a scientist.
40:14
I'm trying to get to the truth of the matter.
40:16
I'm not afraid of that conversation.
40:18
But it, it feels like that argument has got a lot quieter
40:23
and the same people are banging the drum.
40:25
But you know, so I can understand how people feel like
40:28
it's being shut out. I think it's more a strategy
40:31
thing than like a maligned, you know, as a means of
40:35
communication. There are other arguments you
40:38
could put forward prior to getting there because, because
40:42
that's like, I guess it's on the scale of saying like climate
40:47
change is a hoax, right? Like it's a lot of people will
40:49
be turned off from the agenda by the fact that we that's in the
40:52
introduction, right? But that was something that we
40:55
had to accept. And I've, I've felt for a little
40:58
while like the no virus thing is something I need to do some more
41:02
work in. And, you know, I mean, I had a
41:04
conversation with Mike Eden recently, who again, you know,
41:08
is somebody I met in 2021. And we don't speak often, but I
41:11
consider him a friend. And he took issue with certain
41:14
things that were in the agenda. But I want to go and speak to
41:17
Mike and I want to allow him the platform to say what he says,
41:21
but I don't have to agree with everything he says.
41:24
I think there's like this, these elements of woke culture and
41:26
cancel culture creeping into our side where it's like, if you
41:29
don't align exactly. It's ridiculous.
41:33
Yeah, it's. Just ridiculous full.
41:36
So my philosophy, which I don't often mention on on my show is
41:41
is based on something that Bruce Lee said.
41:44
Take that which is valuable, discard that which is not
41:47
create, which is uniquely yours. That is how I apply the my
41:52
outlook on the world. So I will listen to you and
41:56
everybody else, and then I'll take the things that I think are
41:59
valuable and I'll dismiss the rest.
42:01
I don't. I don't need you to be 100% in
42:05
agreement with me. I, I feel like there, there is a
42:08
debate there that either should have happened a long time ago or
42:12
I mean, some people say it's, it's not the hill to die on kind
42:14
of thing. I, I do think those voices are
42:16
important. And now I've got a lot of
42:17
respect for Andy Kaufman and Kevin Corbett, etcetera.
42:21
I do. And maybe I'll do something down
42:24
the line, but, you know, I I have to do it because I feel
42:26
compelled to. And I feel like there's
42:27
something there. Like I'm not, you know, I'm not
42:30
doing this for money. Like I'm, you know, I'm not, I
42:33
don't want to play to a captive audience, I guess is what I want
42:35
to say. Yeah, I want to do something
42:37
because I want to go and do it and I'm genuinely interested in
42:40
it. So.
42:42
But I'm not, you know, I'm not afraid of that conversation.
42:44
Why do you? Think the views expressed in the
42:48
agenda would be considered controversial?
42:55
To a general audience. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned
42:58
earlier you you mentioned the word controversial controversy
43:01
and I'm trying to think like why?
43:04
You know I. Suppose because it's completely
43:07
at odds with the official line or like you know, the government
43:11
line around the world on some quite important issues.
43:15
And as you say, like net 0 by 2050 is a key.
43:19
You know, it's been identified by the Trilateral Commission in
43:22
the West as how we get to where we're going.
43:25
We need to implement this nonsense.
43:27
It's justification. It's a means of engineering
43:30
people's consent for a control grid to be built around them,
43:33
right under the auspices of this ludicrous notion that humans, by
43:38
virtue of existing, are destroying the planet we were
43:41
born onto. We have to now interfere.
43:44
And it's the same hubristic mindset that leads people like
43:48
Bill Gates to think I need to change cows because they're
43:50
destroying the planet, right? Their digestive system and by
43:53
farting they're killing the planet or humans.
43:56
Even though we've existed on this planet for however many
44:00
years. We need now need to upgrade
44:03
their immune systems with this mRNA nonsense.
44:05
Because intelligent design is flawed and we can do it better.
44:09
Us, us the the technocrats, us the transhumanists, we can do it
44:14
better. I think that's such a dangerous
44:16
mindset and it's rooted in eugenics.
44:19
Ultimately it's rules for you and not for them.
44:23
It's A2 tiered society. Like we saw flavours of it
44:26
during COVID. That was it kind of rearing its
44:28
head. But it's a really dangerous
44:31
mindset. So I I only mean controversial
44:33
in the sense that it's indirect. It's a direct challenge to a lot
44:39
of mainstream narratives. But I don't personally think
44:43
they're controversial. Everything that we've said is
44:45
rooted in primary source literature and spoken by experts
44:49
in their field. And also what you see.
44:52
Right. Yeah, the evidence of your eyes
44:54
and ears. Yes.
44:55
I mean, I mean, when they when they said in 2020 that there was
44:58
this deadly pandemic, I saw nothing around me.
45:02
I mean, all I saw was billboards.
45:03
I mean, it was a massive marketing campaign.
45:07
But I mean, I live, I live in Africa, dude.
45:09
We have millions of very poor people living in tight compact.
45:16
What would you call it? So we called it a Township.
45:18
What? What a squatter camp.
45:20
All right, there was no mass death anyway.
45:25
No ambulances, no mass graves. But dude.
45:27
Didn't you see the news? Yes, but the news kept saying
45:31
you go to the airport and these announcements are saying as a
45:34
deadly virus, you know, please wear your mask, stand 2 metres
45:37
away from very healthy people. That was when I started
45:40
realising. So I, I admit I kind of bought
45:44
into the whole thing in 2020, but I, my position was it's mild
45:49
and they're overplaying it. It's just a small, it's like a,
45:53
like a type of flute. Nothing to worry about the
45:54
Diamond Princess, whatever. Northern Italy.
45:56
It was just a minor flu. When they announced lockdowns
46:00
and everybody sort of doing the same thing using the same
46:03
language, Then I suddenly started questioning everything.
46:07
Yeah, I think that's how it started for a lot of people.
46:10
I mean, Liam, as I said, it's basically whatever Oracle
46:15
became. Liam and I for first few years
46:18
just did that between the two of us.
46:20
He saw it right from the start. He couldn't really articulate it
46:23
to me in quite the right way. And I'm like, what do you mean
46:26
it's a lie? Yeah, all of it's a lie.
46:29
What do you mean? And I but I was fascinated by
46:31
that idea. And you're right, like bit by
46:34
bit you start challenging. And for me it was like once you
46:36
realise that they're fudging the numbers.
46:39
And I'm not saying it'd be ethical, but maybe you could
46:42
understand a government lying about death figures or mortality
46:47
to cheat it downwards to like ease panic and calm people.
46:50
Me. I'm not saying that'd be
46:51
ethical, but but when you realise they're cheating them
46:53
upwards. OK, so you're trying to frighten
46:56
people, you're trying to create chaos and you're trying to build
47:00
order out of chaos. Clearly, like this is the this
47:03
is the agenda. What's that's that's playing out
47:05
before us? And as soon as you as soon as
47:08
you spot a hole somewhere, it's like pulling a thread, you know,
47:12
just keeps coming and the lies get bigger and bigger.
47:15
And the PCR test, man, I mean, not enough people like the loud
47:21
COVID dissidents in 2025. There's not enough talk in that
47:25
area that the test and the whole idea of the case of COVID case
47:30
was nonsense. I saw my first PCR test last
47:35
year in 2024. So my wife and I made the
47:38
decision that we were not going to even legitimise the system.
47:42
We weren't going to get a fake vaccine passport, nothing.
47:45
We didn't want any type of legitimacy of the system.
47:48
And a friend of mine flew flew over from from Canada and he
47:54
brought me APCR test. He said, I know that you haven't
47:57
seen one of these. So yes, yes, one just have a
48:01
look at just have a look at just just because I opened this
48:04
thing, you know, we were having lunch and I said, oh, it's APC
48:08
artist you didn't feel. Compelled to like, wrap it up
48:12
your nose. No, but I mean, you're right,
48:20
something you said earlier was, was, was I think also very true.
48:26
We we mustn't run the risk of just thinking everybody is
48:30
stupid. I think that's also an easy trap
48:33
to fall into. A lot of people didn't know
48:37
better and also don't think critically.
48:40
Perhaps like you and I, they, they focus on other things.
48:43
And I think it was Peter Bragan who said to me, if you look at
48:48
an aeroplane and it says got 180 people on board and during COVID
48:52
and everybody inside the plane sitting with a mask on, as a
48:58
thought experiment, you need to go after each one of those
49:01
people and ask them why are you wearing a mask?
49:03
And majority of them will have a different response.
49:07
And that that that really kind of struck me.
49:13
Yeah. And I think as you become aware
49:17
of the scale of the lies and also the magnitude of the
49:23
consequences in the end game people, I see people and I
49:26
understand people getting frustrated saying why can't you
49:29
see it? Are you stupid?
49:30
You know, to people that don't see it at all?
49:33
And but you're right, it's it's not about intelligence.
49:36
I don't think it's about people an unwillingness.
49:41
It's it's weaponized people's good nature, I guess is what I'm
49:44
trying to say, where you assume you project your value set onto
49:48
people and anybody that's had to run in with like a narcissist
49:51
or, you know, maybe even a psychopath in their life, you
49:55
know, that they, they're able to operate and navigate through
49:59
life undetected because people don't assume bad things of
50:02
people. They don't assume that there are
50:04
bad actors in the world until you encounter it, right?
50:07
It's in the and then you see it. But so I think it's a
50:11
psychological barrier a lot of people aren't willing to cross.
50:15
And I was speaking to Bob Moran about this a while ago, that
50:19
most people would, whether it's a comfort thing, I don't know.
50:23
Like it's, it's a very uncomfortable realisation to to
50:26
think that all of these institutions would be that
50:29
education, government, the media that you've trusted with so much
50:33
of your life are, are not telling you the truth and are
50:37
not acting in your interest. It's an uncomfortable
50:39
realisation, but it's a necessary one because the
50:42
alternative is being LED into this digital gulag.
50:46
You know that it it's been constructed in the shadows and
50:49
this agenda's been allowed to carry on for so long because
50:53
they've lied. Not just outright, they've lied
50:57
through a mission, they've distorted truths, but ultimately
51:00
they've played on people's good nature.
51:02
I mean, that was so much of the behavioural psychology through
51:04
COVID was you're a good person, aren't you?
51:07
Wear a mask then. You're a good person, aren't
51:09
you? Stay in your home.
51:10
You're a good person, aren't you?
51:11
Take a vaccine, otherwise you're killing granny.
51:13
And most people went along with it because they thought, yeah,
51:16
yeah, I am a good person and I care about other people, not
51:19
about being stupid, I don't think.
51:21
But yeah, I, I, I think more people need to even just go on
51:27
that thought experiment of what if, you know, which is what we
51:31
tried to do with the agenda. Like, what if the whole carbon
51:33
narrative was a lie? What would that mean?
51:36
What would it mean for you? And just take the thought
51:39
experiment. You know, there's a huge
51:41
concerted effort by institutions like the BBC etcetera at the
51:44
moment to stamp out wrong thing and misinformation because they
51:48
realise that people taking that journey thought which you're
51:51
perfectly entitled to do, like words can't hurt you.
51:55
You know, you're allowed to access to information and to
51:59
make up your own mind. And it's the people that are
52:01
censoring and trying to stamp out opposing viewpoints and
52:04
counter narratives that are, you know, the bad actors.
52:08
So sorry there's a long winded answer, but.
52:10
No, no, no, I mean just on your point of intelligence and
52:14
stupidity. OK, so Africa apparently has on
52:20
average the world's lowest IQ. The majority of South Africa is
52:24
black, yet it is the black population of South Africa that
52:28
overwhelmingly rejected the vaccine.
52:31
Overwhelmingly. I think South Africa is one of
52:33
the lowest uptakes in the world, less than 1 1/2 percent or 2%,
52:36
right? It has nothing to do with
52:38
intelligence. And in fact, if you, if you
52:41
think about here, at least in my country, the the people that I
52:45
saw were the most obedient were the white middle class.
52:52
Explain that to me. I think part of it is to do with
52:59
when the system has served you well.
53:01
And particularly if you're an academic and you've risen to
53:04
prominence through an, you know, a prominent university or
53:08
something, you're far less inclined to speak out against a
53:12
system, you know, an academia that has been misled or
53:16
researched, that's been LED down the wrong path because it's,
53:20
it's a part of your identity. And to admit that you've been
53:25
fooled or to admit that you've been lied to a lot of people,
53:30
that's cognitive dissonance. I don't know what that is.
53:33
But you're you end up fighting for the system that served you.
53:36
Whereas as you say, you know, a lot of working class people, you
53:40
know, invited a plumber around your house during COVID, like,
53:43
they weren't buying anything, wearing a mask.
53:44
They didn't give a shit. They saw right through the whole
53:46
thing. Whereas it was, yeah, as you
53:50
say, the a lot of the white collar people didn't get it.
53:54
And I think part of that is they can't fathom that this system
53:59
that has served them reasonably well, you know, it's screwed
54:02
them over in a lot of ways you could point out, but they
54:05
couldn't fathom that it's not acting in their interest and
54:08
they don't want to move against it.
54:10
I think that's the main reason. I'm sure there are others.
54:16
There's so much to talk about, I really want to recommend my
54:20
audience to watch The Agenda. It is, it really is high
54:26
quality. It is outstanding.
54:27
It's probably one of the best sort of counterculture forms I
54:31
have seen in the last five years.
54:34
I'm say five years because I'm referring to the sort of the
54:36
COVID era. It's really, really good Full.
54:41
That means a lot coming from you.
54:43
What? What does that mean that?
54:46
Wasn't That wasn't sarcasm, That was my English accent.
54:50
That's a lot. That's that means a lot coming
54:52
from you, yeah. I mean that sincerely.
54:56
I mean that sincerely, no. But it really is very, very
54:59
good. Where, where can, where can I
55:02
not me? Where can my audience watch it?
55:05
So we've set up a landing page, which is the Agenda film.com,
55:08
which at the moment's got a YouTube embed in it.
55:11
We're not anticipating it's going to stay on YouTube
55:13
forever, but it's a good place to send people that aren't
55:18
necessarily looking for this information.
55:19
It's also on Rumble. There's a direct upload on X.
55:23
There's at the same landing page, the Agenda film.com.
55:26
You can download a copy of the film, take it offline, do what
55:29
you like with it. It's all free.
55:32
I don't want your email address. There's no paywall.
55:35
Just if you think it's important and it's going to help you
55:38
communicate and articulate some of these ideas, then yeah, take
55:42
it and and run with it. And there's an option to donate
55:46
through Buy Me a Coffee on their website if you feel compelled
55:48
to. This doesn't come natural to me
55:50
or Liam, you know, like we're just introverted camera nerds
55:54
for all of this, you know, so the public speaking side of it
55:57
isn't something we've gravitated towards.
55:58
And we've never like put ourselves at the forefront of
56:01
what Oracle is. But a lot of people have said
56:04
like you should do it more because, you know, maybe I think
56:08
people have a more of a rapport with you and you know, perhaps
56:13
even just trust you a bit more because then otherwise it's like
56:15
who are these guys, these Oracle films?
56:16
And that's where these ideas that like with some, I don't
56:19
know, nefarious actors or whatever, it's literally 2 Dick
56:22
heads from England. You derailed my my atro full
56:29
Wiseman. Thank you for joining me in the
56:31
trenches. Thanks, Jim.
56:33
Good to see you mate.