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5-01-26 Hour 2 - Vic's Nuggets Roster Autopsy/Kevin Falness of Wild Radio/Oh, By the Way, Aaron Gordon & P-Wat · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardi and Kane on demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 2: There will be a lot of kind of bigger picture
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  Speaker 2: talk in the coming days. Where do you feel like
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  Speaker 2: this team is, you know, in that bigger picture? And
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  Speaker 2: how far away or not far away? Do you feel
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  Speaker 2: like you guys are from being you know, a championship contender.
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  Speaker 3: I mean they're just lost in the first round, so
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  Speaker 3: I think we are far are they?
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like changes?
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  Speaker 4: I like, what kind of change?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's not from me my decision, to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: definitely if you're in Serbia, it all get fired.
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  Speaker 5: Kevin Fallon is going to join us in twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 5: Key words today on the twenties of every hour, chance
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  Speaker 5: to get the building for game one whenever that may be,
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  Speaker 5: So stay tuned on the twenties those key words. Uh so, Vic,
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  Speaker 5: what do you want to do here?
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  Speaker 6: Like?
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  Speaker 5: Where do you want to start?
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  Speaker 4: I want to start here. I'm gonna let's let's take
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  Speaker 4: a look at the roster, because you know you want
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  Speaker 4: to wait to do something like this, but there's no
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  Speaker 4: better time than now, because next week we're gonna be
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  Speaker 4: talking haves and there's gonna be some things that come up.
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  Speaker 4: But this roster up and down for Nuggets fans who think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, make some you can make some changes here
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  Speaker 4: and there. There's no tweaking here. In my opinion, this
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  Speaker 4: is my humble opinion, there's no tweaking.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think so. Either you have two options. You
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  Speaker 5: go pretty extreme or you keep it virtually the same
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  Speaker 5: as much as you can.
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  Speaker 4: And the only way you go extreme is you got
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  Speaker 4: to pay deep into the tax. And that's a risk
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  Speaker 4: that frankly I wouldn't take because what what have you
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  Speaker 4: learned from this rendition of the Nuggets.
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  Speaker 6: That you can pay deep into the text, they can
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  Speaker 6: still get bounced around, exactly right, So what what you
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  Speaker 6: pay deep.
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  Speaker 4: Into the tax? If you know, okay, this is going
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  Speaker 4: to get us a title, what you've learned from this
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  Speaker 4: rendition this this version, you're not there, You're going the
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  Speaker 4: other way.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it just means you're throwing good money after bad.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly So at this point, at this point, you have to,
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  Speaker 4: in my humble opinion, you have to trade a core
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  Speaker 4: member of this team the contracts are through the roof.
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  Speaker 4: I was trying to explain this to my wife last night,
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  Speaker 4: and heck, we need Jake coyn to explain it to
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  Speaker 4: us because the NBA CBA is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 6: It's a web.
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  Speaker 4: But you got a contract in Nikoliokic that isn't going anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: He is soon going to make upwards of sixty million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: Jamal Murray makes more. And by the way, vic Nor
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  Speaker 4: North should he, I mean he's no, I agree, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm just going I'm going through the numbers here, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Jamal Moorey is gonna make north of fifty, Aaron Gordon's
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  Speaker 4: gonna make thirty three for the next three years, Christian
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  Speaker 4: Brown's gonna make twenty five per for the next five years.
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  Speaker 4: Cam Johnson, I think he's at twenty three. Just add
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  Speaker 4: up those guys, you're starting five. Just add that up
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  Speaker 4: and you're done. You're there, You're you're already there, You're there,
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  Speaker 4: You're already at that line of demarcation. And so Peyton
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  Speaker 4: Watson contract comes up and he's gonna demand more than
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  Speaker 4: twenty million easily. Are you gonna take that on and
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  Speaker 4: say all right, we're fixed? Does that fix it? No,
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  Speaker 4: I'll ask you everybody listening, does that fix everything?
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  Speaker 6: Would you?
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  Speaker 4: If you owe the would you make that move and say, okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're good, let's run it back.
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  Speaker 6: Uh No.
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  Speaker 4: So sometimes to take two steps forward, you have to
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  Speaker 4: take eight steps back, is what I'm saying. And sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you have to be lucky in that endeavor. You have
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  Speaker 4: to loosen up more money. You have to, You've got
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  Speaker 4: no choice. The thing.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the problem, though, the things that you would want
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  Speaker 5: to do, Like.
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  Speaker 6: I think, if.
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  Speaker 5: You know, if this were a video game and you
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  Speaker 5: can just make whatever trade, do you want to like?
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  Speaker 5: The two things that would be top of mind I
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  Speaker 5: believe is One people would try and offload the CB
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  Speaker 5: contract before it starts, but that's not going to happen. Two,
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  Speaker 5: they would try and offload AG. As much as we
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  Speaker 5: love AG, I just I think AG is falling into this.
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  Speaker 6: Can not humans his body, it's not humans his body.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the comparison I made in the appetizer. It's not
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  Speaker 5: totally apples d apples, but I think it's close enough.
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  Speaker 5: I think that AG is equivalent to what JK. Dobbins
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  Speaker 5: is for the Broncos. Right now, he's super effective and
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  Speaker 5: necessary when he's in the lineup. But you've just hit
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  Speaker 5: a point where you're you know it's not going to
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  Speaker 5: be there all the time.
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  Speaker 4: You just know you going to do because you got
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  Speaker 4: to play. You got to play at least sixteen games
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  Speaker 4: to win in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: So that's what I'm saying, Vic, like, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: you can trust it in a perfect world. As much
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  Speaker 5: as I love AG, I don't think I I don't
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  Speaker 5: think that having a thirty three million dollar player that
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  Speaker 5: you're not sure will play forty games for you a
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  Speaker 5: year is beneficial. And I think you would you would
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  Speaker 5: want to offload it, but I don't know who would
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  Speaker 5: take that on. And then that leaves you with kind
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  Speaker 5: of one option.
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  Speaker 6: There's one option, Jamal Murray.
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  Speaker 4: It's Jamal Murray.
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  Speaker 5: It's Jamal. It's it's trading Jamal. That's your one option
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  Speaker 5: this offseason. If you really want to do something drastic,
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  Speaker 5: get some cap space back, whatever that's all you got, Vic.
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  Speaker 6: Let me let me throw it to you. Fifty million
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  Speaker 6: dollar all star, tradable, not tradable, very tradable this season
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  Speaker 6: as a pro, even at fifty even at fifty million,
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  Speaker 6: That's what I wanted. I wanted to very tradable. I
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  Speaker 6: wanted to reassure the listening audience that that is the case,
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  Speaker 6: that is a tradable contract. You know, and we talk
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  Speaker 6: about like NHL, I can't believe this guy got this money,
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  Speaker 6: this guy got that money. That sort of thing. All
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  Speaker 6: I care about is is that contract tradable with Sammy
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  Speaker 6: g got over, you know, five million a year, that
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  Speaker 6: kind of thing. I'm like, that contra tradable that the
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  Speaker 6: second the ink dries, if you wanted to, that's a
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  Speaker 6: tradable contract. That's all I care about. Is the contract
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  Speaker 6: tradable at this particular in your point guard, then that's
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  Speaker 6: an excellent question.
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  Speaker 5: You'd have to find something in turn.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and what he provides, Let's not act like he's
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  Speaker 6: not Jamal Murray in an All Star. What he can
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  Speaker 6: provide is superb. What he can provide not a lot
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  Speaker 6: of guys can provide what he can provide, but it
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  Speaker 6: may be the only way that allows you to actually
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  Speaker 6: get any maneuverability whatsoever.
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  Speaker 4: So let's answer this question because everybody's got an opinion
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  Speaker 4: on this, and that's the beauty of sports talk radio.
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  Speaker 4: Because we think we know what we're talking about, and
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  Speaker 4: we'd love to offer our opinions. A lot of times
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  Speaker 4: we're unaware of certain circumstances, what's going on behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 4: and as soon as those details come around, then we're like,
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  Speaker 4: we have some clarity. But let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody said, I disagree that the same team, the same
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  Speaker 4: roster can win. It just needs uh Steve Kerr. Now,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what their plans are in that capacity,
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  Speaker 4: but do you think this exact roster with a different
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  Speaker 4: coach wins a championship?
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  Speaker 5: I know now, if there's one thing I will say, Look,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that the coach is some fix all
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  Speaker 5: for this thing, but I will say this. I think
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  Speaker 5: people kind of they can discredit what Steve Kerr did
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  Speaker 5: in Golden State. Remember Mark Jackson had that exact same
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  Speaker 5: team before he got there. What Steve Kerr did is
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  Speaker 5: he found that lineup of death which is played Draymond
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  Speaker 5: at the five team and no, no, I understand, but
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  Speaker 5: but Vic, I'm giving Steve Kerr credit for like he
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  Speaker 5: found a lineup that no other team could deal with
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  Speaker 5: and how to properly utilize the talents. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that if he's the coach of this team all year.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if this is any different.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just struggling to understand how the Nuggets in the
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  Speaker 4: same season they went to Okay Okay see and they
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  Speaker 4: play aid Oklahoma City with so much fight and feistiness,
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  Speaker 4: and the game could have gone either way. And our
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  Speaker 4: mindset at that point was, God, there's only one team
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  Speaker 4: in the league that could really deal with Oklahoma City
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  Speaker 4: and that's Denver. Right, how did we get from there
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  Speaker 4: to here?
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  Speaker 6: Vic? Because here's how something is up. There's some sort
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  Speaker 6: of lack of something inside that room that we're not
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  Speaker 6: privy to that I'm not serling that.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm That's what I'm getting at too, from
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  Speaker 4: that yeah to this, because that's not just a slow
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  Speaker 4: that's falling off.
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  Speaker 6: Of There's something in there, Vic, that that for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 6: it permeated that team and they just didn't have the desire,
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  Speaker 6: they didn't have the the they didn't have each other,
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  Speaker 6: they didn't behave like a quote team. And you know
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  Speaker 6: what's even more disappointing about all this, Brett, when we
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  Speaker 6: were laying that out, when Vic came back and he's
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  Speaker 6: talking about the contracts and talking about this and that
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  Speaker 6: and so on, and how they're stuck. There was so
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  Speaker 6: much riding on this season, not just for this season,
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  Speaker 6: but for a lot of different things. There was a
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  Speaker 6: lot riding on this season and this particular team the
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  Speaker 6: way it was constructed. We already know the bottom half
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  Speaker 6: of this team is gonna be gone because they can't
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  Speaker 6: come back. There's no vet minimums coming back. There's none
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  Speaker 6: of this stuff. So there's gonna be a natural attrition
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  Speaker 6: just because you have to. Now the question is what
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  Speaker 6: do you want to do with the top end of
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  Speaker 6: this roster? What is gonna happen with the top end?
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  Speaker 6: And what can you do? I mean so many there
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  Speaker 6: are so many dang open ended questions right now. You know,
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  Speaker 6: it's funny so much was on this season.
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  Speaker 7: It's sad.
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  Speaker 4: You spend years, you spend formative years building a championship
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  Speaker 4: roster which they have and putting pieces together which they have,
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  Speaker 4: and then you get to the top and then you
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  Speaker 4: know that you're on the down side. Now you're coming
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  Speaker 4: back down that fourteen or and disassembling that champion chip
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  Speaker 4: roster is so hard because there's loyalties. There are factions
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  Speaker 4: that say, no, man, you can't let go of the past.
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  Speaker 7: This guy.
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  Speaker 4: It's the hardest thing to do in pro sports. There's
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  Speaker 4: nothing harder letting go of these loyalties and these people
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  Speaker 4: that gave you something that we've never seen before. This team,
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  Speaker 4: this assemblage, this corps gave Denver its first basketball championship.
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  Speaker 4: And I will never forget them for it. And I
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  Speaker 4: can die happy. I tell people I don't need to
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  Speaker 4: see another one in my life, and I mean it.
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  Speaker 4: I told you guys that, remember I told you I
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  Speaker 4: don't need to see I got it. I'm done. There
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  Speaker 4: are a lot of other people that you want. I
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  Speaker 4: don't need it. I want it, but I don't need
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  Speaker 4: it because they gave it to me. But now you
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  Speaker 4: have to disassemble that machine. That's not easy. That is
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  Speaker 4: never easy. Ask any NBA team out there. Hell, Golden
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  Speaker 4: State's been trying to deal with that for the last
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  Speaker 4: five years. Or Milwaukee happened so quickly.
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  Speaker 6: Victor, that's that right, there's the blueprint that I do
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  Speaker 6: not want. I do not want Milwaukee. I mean, they've
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  Speaker 6: tried some things. Bretton and I were talking about it
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  Speaker 6: during commercial break. They've tried different things. Their big problem, though,
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  Speaker 6: is they have a superstar who wants out. Your superstar
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  Speaker 6: wants to stay. That was the first thing he said
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  Speaker 6: last night is I want to be a nugget forever.
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  Speaker 6: That's great. The question is how long is forever for him?
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  Speaker 6: A lot a lot of well.
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  Speaker 4: You know what, though, a lot of people are gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to look in the mirror, including Nikoliokich agreed absolutely
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  Speaker 4: have done better.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, Hey, hey, I'll say this, for maybe the first
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  Speaker 5: time in his career, Jokic was not good this entire
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  Speaker 5: playoff series. It wasn't a game. He had moments when
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  Speaker 5: he was good in you know, third quarter yesterday he
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  Speaker 5: turned it on, but first half was pretty miserable from him.
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  Speaker 5: Like he was bad in this series, and it's it's
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  Speaker 5: on everybody. This isn't like, hey, they did Jokic dirty.
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  Speaker 5: Jokic had his own hand in the dirty. Now I'd
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  Speaker 5: say this, there's if I were to take an approach
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  Speaker 5: towards this offseason, no matter who stays, who goes, what
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  Speaker 5: the plan is, who you trade, who you do this
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  Speaker 5: for whatever, The one thing that I think should be
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  Speaker 5: the focus, Jokic is going to be able to get
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  Speaker 5: you an offense that is going to be top ten
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  Speaker 5: in the league, and I think he can do that
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  Speaker 5: no matter who is surrounding him. It might not look
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  Speaker 5: as pretty as times this year when you were shooting
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  Speaker 5: thirty eight percent from three all year. That sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: You need to go out and find people who will defend.
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  Speaker 5: You need to find that the offense will come with Jokic,
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  Speaker 5: because Jokic is just a god of offensive basketball. You
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  Speaker 5: need to find people who defend. When Taren Shannon, who's
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  Speaker 5: a rookie who barely played this year, is straight up
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  Speaker 5: blowing by you, and you know that Joker, for all
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  Speaker 5: the abilities he has on the offensive side and even
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  Speaker 5: defensive that he is not going to be able to
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  Speaker 5: stop anybody at the rim. You cannot allow the amount
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  Speaker 5: of straight line drives that they allowed in that game.
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  Speaker 5: You can't do it.
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  Speaker 4: You're asking for. The problem is a lot of these
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  Speaker 4: deficiencies defensively, and that's where it starts. The Nuggets are
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  Speaker 4: never going to win a championship with the defense they
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  Speaker 4: put on the floor this year. No, I get it.
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  Speaker 4: The problem in these playoffs, though, wasn't the defense. It
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  Speaker 4: wasn't the defense, It was the other side.
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  Speaker 6: It was the seventeen it was the.
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  Speaker 4: Lack of scoring.
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  Speaker 6: It was putred.
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  Speaker 4: It was the biggest drop off in the NBA playoffs
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  Speaker 4: from regular season to postseason. They had the biggest.
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  Speaker 6: It fell off a cliff.
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  Speaker 4: They couldn't score and fourth quarter efficiency fellas in the
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  Speaker 4: last eight and a half minutes of that game last night,
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  Speaker 4: the Denver Nuggets the most fearsome offense in the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: One field goal in a must win elimination game one.
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  Speaker 6: Fuck to Fallness.
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  Speaker 5: Kevin appreciate you joining us as Why is it?
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  Speaker 6: Why are you on TV? Why are you doing this?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: Why are you guys on TV? Aren't you radio guys?
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  Speaker 8: Your cool little video blog?
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  Speaker 5: I'm here, Uh, Kevin, appreciate you joining us here. I
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  Speaker 5: know that Minnesota is very happy after last night because
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  Speaker 5: they got the double close out in Game six. Is
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  Speaker 5: one including this team here, which means I'm assuming all
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  Speaker 5: of the bad blood that I was gonna say this show,
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  Speaker 5: but more specifically, VIC has caused between our respective states
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  Speaker 5: will not die after last night.
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  Speaker 7: It's just going to.
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  Speaker 5: Continue into this weekend.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it would appear that way.
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  Speaker 8: I couldn't be more of a casual basketball fan, so
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  Speaker 8: I can't say that I've been following the X's and
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  Speaker 8: those of the Nuggets and the Timberwolves. But uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: you raised some eyebrows over here, Vic and and Moser too,
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  Speaker 8: calling us freaks or whatever you said.
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  Speaker 6: We don't see that that was me. I'll take you,
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  Speaker 6: but I agree I was backing you. I had your
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  Speaker 6: back on that, Vic.
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  Speaker 4: No, you did, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's funny.
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  Speaker 4: It's funny, Kevin. I I make the trip to Minnesota
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: many times for other reasons, and the sweetest human beings
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: in the world, they really are. I have never seen
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: so many f bombs in my life. Last night at
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: that game what they were calling the Kola Yo kitchen
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  Speaker 4: a chant? What is going on? When did that city
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  Speaker 4: transform into we all hard?
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  Speaker 6: Man?
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  Speaker 4: When did this happen?
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  Speaker 7: You lit our fire? I mean that's what you've done.
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  Speaker 7: You you poked the bear. You were docile creatures.
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  Speaker 8: Until you you stickers. You put a stick into our
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  Speaker 8: hole and you start to rattle us.
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  Speaker 7: And then we come out swinging.
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: So what do you do?
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: Not win another championship?
• 16:21
  Speaker 8: Okay, you've pissed off an entire fan base up here
• 16:25
  Speaker 8: and you've got him rattled here a little bit. I
• 16:28
  Speaker 8: would just take note of how it worked out with
• 16:30
  Speaker 8: you for the Nuggets and maybe take note maybe don't
• 16:33
  Speaker 8: rattle the cage.
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: You're going into this avalanche.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: Okay, Hey, how bad did it get? Seriously, keV, how
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: bad did it get with the Dallas Stars? Because that
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: first rund matchup, you knew it was going to be
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: a bloodbath anyway. I mean, look at the wild win
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: in six games, which is good for Minnesota. I think
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: I thought it was going seven. But man, you you
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: are facing one of the other best teams in the
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: league ride away, and then of course there's gonna be
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: natural hate.
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it it picked up as it went.
• 17:00
  Speaker 8: I mean, we've had some natural villains in the franchise
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: history going over the course of twenty five years. But
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: Jamie Ben rose right to the top of the ranks
• 17:08
  Speaker 8: and your guy Miko Ranton and was hot on his heels.
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: I mean those two.
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: Hey, guy, whoa he wore Colorado for That's the way
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: to put it.
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's another guy that went Vic Lombardi on us
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: and was rattling our cages every time he touched the
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: puck last night. The last time I.
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: Heard this was sooner going back to uh Nashville.
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: Every time Ben touched the puck, people were booing him.
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: In the twenty thousand Strong The Rat Grand Casino Marena,
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: But I mean that's the fun of a playoff series.
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: Djokis was the villain for the Timberwolves fans in that series.
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: Jamie Ben was the villain in the series. Therefore, the
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: Minnesota Wild and the Dallas Stars. It was a fun series.
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: I mean, I can't stress enough the right team won,
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: and I know that comes across like a home The
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: right team won. They were the better team throughout the
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: course of that series except for special teams.
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: They got exploited when it comes to their power play
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: and their penalty kill.
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: But five on five and for the bulk of that
• 18:06
  Speaker 8: six game series, it was all Minnesota Wild and the
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: right team won.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: So just out of curiosity, Look, the Nuggets and t
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: wol series was pretty evenly matched teams, and it was
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: a three in a six, but it was pretty evenly
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: matched until Anthony Edwards goes out and everything else. The
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: feeling here is like we've watched the Avs be the
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: number one team in the NHL from November one all
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: the way to today.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: What are Wild.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Fans' feelings as far as chances to win against this
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: version of the Avalanche.
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you, and I'm not trying to rattle the
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: kjer either.
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: Again, the Wild don't have a ton of success when
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: it comes to postseason glory, but a lot of that
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: success has come at the expense of the Colorado Avalanche
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: two thousand and three, two thousand whatever.
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: That was Nino Nita Ryder and over time.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: He was eleven.
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: I know that the Colorado Avalanche the.
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: Big dog on the the number one team in hockey,
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: and they won the President's Trophy and they've won their championships.
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: But it feels like there's something special about this Wild team,
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: and you guys will see it up close and personal.
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: When Bill Garrion on December fourteenth brought Quinn Hughes into
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: the stable and put on that Wild jersey, it took
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: the Wild into a different conversation.
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: They weren't just a good.
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: Team surviving and being, you know, above average in the
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: Western Conference. It put them in the company of the
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: elite teams in the Central Division, the Western Conference and
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: the National Hockey League. That's how good he has been
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: for the Wild. And if you want an example, go
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: back and watch the game six last night against the
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: Dallas Stars.
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: He single handedly ended their season.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: I also watched his postgame interview when he correctly said, okay,
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: our reward now is to get the very best team
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: in the National Hockey League. I mean, he knows how
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: good the Colorado Avalanche are COVI, but I think it's
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: gonna be all things aside. And I've known you for
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: got over thirty years now or whatever. Yeah, it's just
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: used to work here in Denver. We sent him back
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: to Many never be seen again, but here he is. No.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: But the Abs were the best team in the league
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: five on five this year. I saw how good Minnesota
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: was five on five. This is I just think it
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: shapes up to be probably one of those Hella series, right,
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: one of those ones that you and I will talk
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: about over Bruski ten years from now. Yeah.
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: I mean the Wild have had some good players come
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: through here, but they've never had this collection of players
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: at this ever.
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: And this is the best team in franchise history. And
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: it isn't close.
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: And that's all apologies to Andrew Brunette, Mary and Gabrick,
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: Pavel Dimitra, Brian Rawlson. I mean, they've had some great
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: names come through this stable. But you've got caprisof You've
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: got Boldie, and you've got Quinn Hughes. And I know
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: the Avalanche are used to having their superstars, the Wild
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: aren't used to this. I mean they've got top of
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: the heap guys that are doing it on a real
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: high level, and it's it's amazing to watch, and it's
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: going to be This isn't Big Brother Colorado taking on
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: Little Brother Varsity versus JV. This is two teams that
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: can look each other eye to eye. There's no doubt
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: in my mind this is going to be a long series.
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: I don't know who's gonna come out on top. Of course,
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: I'm picking the wild you guys are gonna pick the Avalanche.
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: But I don't think this is gonna be done in
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: four or five games. I'm glad that you won the
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: President's Trophy, and I'm glad you steamrolled your way down.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: Oh don't don't, Patrick, don't patronize this. Stop it. I'm
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: glad of you guys. Let's stop. Kevin.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I agree with you on all that. I think it's
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: gonna be a tough series, and I am very respectful
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: the players on that team. I love Boldie, I love Hughes.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I mean a lot of those dudes are just gritty players.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: But let me ask you this, how do you how
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: many people in Minnesota have never been part of a
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: championship parade, and how do you how do you plan
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: one if you've never had one? In that many years.
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what's gonna make it so great. I'll tell
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: you it has been launched in eighty seven and ninety one.
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: I was alive.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: A lot of the people watching this and then listen
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: to our broadcast probably weren't alive when the last time
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: the Minnesota Twins won a championship.
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: The Vikings haven't done it, haven't.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: So many we've had the streets like they're already. I mean,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: we've had so many here that we don't know.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: And that's why I do them anymore.
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: It's probably not as special for you guys or your team.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: It's gonna mean a hell of a lot to guys
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: Rock favor, guys that have lived and died with Minnesota sports.
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: We've been through it. We deserve this. It's our time.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: If not us, God, all right, we'll see. We'll see, dude,
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: We'll see in Saint Paul in a week, I guess whenever.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: Do you know when this thing's gonna start. We're only
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Blair's case right now. Do you have any idea?
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: I can't.
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: I you know, I don't even think they would have
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: announced Game seven until sometime this afternoon.
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: It's just that's the way the NHL works.
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: My guess is Sunday or Monday, probably closer to Monday,
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: which means you guys get like a month off after
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: sweeping the Kings in the first Round'll be for you.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: Kevin, really for sciate the time. Thank you, bud It.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: What do you gotta go take a kid to school
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: or some crap.
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: You know what, My sixteen year old is getting his
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: license today if he doesn't screw it up.
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: So that's what I'm going to take.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: A sixteen year old has never sniffed a championship. We
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: got sixteen year olds that haven't coming out of their
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: pockets here.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: I know, I know it's not fair, it's not right,
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: but that changes this year.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: Kevin, appreciate it.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Thank you about it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: See you, buddy.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Kevin Fallnus joining us on the Ramos Law hotline.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: Now again, we don't know when this series is going
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: to start, whether it's gonna be you know, Monday, Sunday
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: or whatever. I will say he is right about one thing.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: They have top level talent. I saw there's a graphic
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: that the NHL put up, which is which three would
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: you rather have? And it was McKinnon, mccarr, Nachius and
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: saw that too, Boldie Caprice off In Quinn Hughes. Look,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: I think it would be silly not to choose the
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Avs trio up there. But the point is Minnesota's got
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: a good trio like they do.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt about it. And Kevin is coming from
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: a position of weakness. He knows it, I mean. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: then it's a little wild. This is the first time
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: they've won in the first round in eleven years.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: You know what if they weren't playing the Avs here.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I mean again, they got some pieces on that team
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: that are fun. They really are.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: Well he's talking about He's correct about one thing. Vic
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: Quinn Hughes is the best player they've ever had on
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: their team ever. He's in the history of the franchise.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: He is Klott and that was a trade. And then
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: of course they have Caprisov, who I think is probably
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: the other best player they've ever had ever. Mary Gabrick
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: was a very good player. He wasn't like this guy.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: You know, I look at at Miku Koivu, you know, big, strong,
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: just two way centerman, you know, just just hard to
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: play against kind of guy. But nothing like they have now.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: And they've got this young goalie also this Valstad kid,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: who you know, he's just playing his butt off. So
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: it's gonna be it's gonna be a hell of a series.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: It really is. You know.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: I heard EJ. He was on I think it was
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: with the Chicklets guys. Uh, but he told a story
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: about mccarr and he said that they were playing against
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Quinn Hughes early in his career and they said, Wow,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: this guy is like unbelievable for his age. How good
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: this kid? It is all this different stuff. And EJ
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: said that Chris McFarlane came to him, he is if
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: you think he could wait, you see this car kid,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: because macarr wasn't in the league yet, and he was.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: He was absolutely right because both of them are just
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: top level. I what's the main concern that you have most,
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: because I have mine, which is it's felt post Olympic break,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: the ass have had a very difficult time. Like we've
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: talked about the power play and stuff like that, but
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: I think more than that, they've had a tough time
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: staying out of the box. And for whatever fears that
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: you had against Dallas in their power play, Minnesota was
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: number three and power player.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: Agreed, agreed, and by the way they gave up a
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: lot to Dallas though in that first that first round.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: I mean, they gave up ten power play goals in
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: six games. But Dallas makes you pay, No, there's no
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: doubt about it. I think Dallas was just waiting to
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: get on the power play. They couldn't do Jack squat
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: five on five. They finally got one for the first
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: time in four games last night five on five. That
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: was their second goal of the game that put them
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: on top, and then Minnesota tied it and the rest
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: of its history. So well, let me let me finish
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: up real quick. Though. I think that that coach bennar
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: Vic made a very good point yesterday when when he
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: was or two days ago he was asked, Hey, why
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: why don't you guys go to the box so much
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: in that first round? He said, that's a great question.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: Goes number one, we got to stay out of the
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: box for sure against whomever we play. But number two,
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: I think the league Vic, the way the NHL operates
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: is this. In the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs,
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: they set a tone in all the series on how
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: the postseason is going to be called. I think the
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: stuff that you saw called in round number one, will
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: call will get called lesson round two, and so Onnest
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: we go down the line because I think guys will
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: adjust one, guys will adjust two. You don't want to
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: send a parade knuckleheads to the box. You want to
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: let these guys play the game.
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: If it's egregious, egregious, trips, can openers, hooks, slashes, whatever, Okay, fine,
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: but you know they're gonna let some stuff go.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, So I want to I want to talk about
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: something Kevin brought up, and it's real, it exists. You know, hunger, desire, desperation.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Minnesota's gone as old as powder since they last won anything, right,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: So that desperation desires there In this Nuggets t Wolve series,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: it was obvious who played with more desire. If an
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Avs wild series goes where I think it's gonna go,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: let me ask you this. Most do the Avs have
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: the necessary desire having won a cup most recently?
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: Vic? I saw it, Vic, this is what separates the
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: wheat from the chaff. Right here, I saw it. They
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: would the President's trophy should be an indicator. I saw
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: the desire of this club from day one, not even
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: before day one even before they hit training camp. And
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: I sat down that first day of training camp with
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: a lot of different guys including McKinnon, mccar so on
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: and so forth and and Nelson and all different kinds
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: of guys, Marty Natus, Brent Burns. The amount of focus
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: and want that came out of their holes to me
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: and probably to everybody, But we had these one on ones. Man,
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: I could I could feel it. I could sense it
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: from the get go that these guys they wanted.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Bad because winning bad. Winning one is awesome, winning two,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: winning multiple championships, it's like lowering your handicap. It takes
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: so much more. It's not just a mentality, it's a
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: lifestyle when you win those, right, And I think that's
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: where the Nuggets they're not living that same lifestyle anymore.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: I think you have the Avalanche are.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: Behaved there all about that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Remember we talked all year and the biggest separation between
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: the Avs and the Nuggets for two teams that had
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: really high expectation, it's are you behaving like a champion
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: or not. The Abs have behaved like a champion this
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: entire season. They had one bad stretch of hockey where
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Taves in Landiskog both got hurt. It was that lead
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: into the Olympic break. They were just like, oh my god,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: can we just get there already? That was the one
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: stretch where they were just like yeah, they kind of
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: just go after that. Before that, I mean, everything about
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: the way they've behaved is that of a championship level team.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Now again, you're playing against a Minnesota team that if
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: you guys watched even a little bit of that series,
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Minnesota dominated Dallas five on five. It was not close.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: They were the much better hockey team. But like Dallas does,
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: they go on special teams, power play whatever, and that's
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: where they sort of make their hay. I watched a
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: play in the game last night mos leading. I think
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: it was leading up to the Nuggets tip or maybe
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: somewhere in the middle, but I had two screens bouncing
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: back and forth. I watched Quinn Hughes from the dot
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: intentionally shoot a puck off the skate of a defender
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: outside of the blue pain what that ricochets in?
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: See? I thought he was trying to I think it
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: hit bischell skate and went in. I thought he was
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: going to Caprice office on the other side.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: But most that thing was like a liner.
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: It had air on it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know what Caprice offf was gonna do with it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, if he could even handle the puck, that's right.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: The only thing you do will be one time from
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: a tough angle. But I even know if it was
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: gonna hit the I don't know either. The guy's a special.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: It could be lucky, but I mean when guys like
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: that get you don't get lucky that often.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: When we come back, I want to address a question
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: that's been raised on the text line, and I think
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: it's very important to address this. We were talking about
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: the Nuggets and clearly why they lost. Somebody says, you
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: guys are going through all these issues and post mortems,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: but you're missing the one and only problem in the playoffs. No,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon, it was that simple. He and Peyton Watson
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: healthy and the Nuggers are still playing. I want to
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: talk about that. I want to discuss that. I want
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: to get your reaction to that.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: We get there. Just a second reminder to you guys,
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: the keyword for this hour to try and get in
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: the building for Game one at ball Arena is compass.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: So text that in your first and last name to
• 31:14
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• 31:17
  Speaker 5: What's up most quick? What do you want to say?
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: Well, I thought we had some by the way coming up,
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: but we'll do it all.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh by the way, also next, oh by the way,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: stories around sports in the world, all do we feel
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: like you should be aware of? As bad as the
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Nuggets loss was last night? And uh, VIC will get
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: to what you wanted to talk about in just a second,
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: so you sol that text you're hanging on to it.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Oh by the way, I don't want to do this segment,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: but gone.
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: Okay, we can start with what you want to do.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: Then do it, do it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: That's fine.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Out of the way.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: All I was gonna say was, oh, by the way,
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: as bad as the Nuggets loss was, I can say this,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: at least you weren't down seventy one to twenty two.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude, that you know, as I'm watching
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: that game, we're talking about the Knicks and the Hawks
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: and the Knicks with the team I say, the Dempsey
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: and Marlow and I'm saying, you know, it'd be great
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: if the Nuggets did that tonight and just ended this thing,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: like if I told you, if I told you which
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: of this teams, which of the teams is most likely
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: to pull that off given the injuries on the court.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: No question, it's Minnesota's getting boat raced, right.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: But this is the team in the Hawks that had
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: won two games in the series, and they're down by
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: fifty at halftime.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Guys, dude, the Knicks stupid, stupid. The Knicks went on
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: a sixty seven to thirteen run in that game.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: They were playing guys. At the end of that game,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: they just invented guys. AI Like, who is this guy? Yeah,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: that's that's how quickly they got on the court. Although
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, as massive a win as it was, it
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: still doesn't surpass the greatest playoff margin of victory in
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: NBA history, which was achieved by the two thousand and
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: nine NBA Nuggets. They went to New Orleans and beat
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: the Hornets by fifty eight.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: Anyway, I just wanted to say that, So, so go ahead, Vic,
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: do your thing.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Do you have any more?
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: By the way, to get them out of the way, No,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: trouble them out of the way.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: We're good.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: Go ahead, I think we're done. I mean, I'm I'm Donnie.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: Gets you your to your ag thing.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: You want to turn off the music.
• 33:35
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• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil the party, but I
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: just got enough. No, I think, I think.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: I mean we're already, We're already in a bad mood.
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: Might as well.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's what these days are for.
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: Agreed, make it worse.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: That's like I'm in the middle of an autopsy here.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Now you're asking me to take a bite out of
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: your happy meal. I don't have time.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: By the way, the Rockies are still in the ESPN
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Power Rankings, the worst team in baseball, ridiculous as the
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: second worst.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: By the way, they got to do something with Victor Vodnik.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah he got he got smoked last night.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Go ahead, Victor.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: Yesterday.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: The question that the Texter brought up, and I wanted
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: to pose it to you guys because it's certainly going
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: to be brought up in meetings and when you look
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: forward to what this team does next. Uh, And I'll
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: read the text again. You guys are going through all
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: these issues and post mortems, you're missing the one problem
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: that occurred in the playoffs. No, Aaron Gordon, It's that simple.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: He and Peyton Watson healthy and they're still playing. I
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: just I want to get your reaction before I comment on.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: That that healthy AG and Peyton Watson they win the series.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Maybe it was maybe maybe they did, Maybe they do if.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: You want to have an interesting take on it. On
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: that specifically regarding Ag. I was reading Sam Quinn at
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: CBS Sports and he said, look, the Nuggets window isn't
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: closing too soon. It opened too late. And he goes
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: back to that trade. He goes back to that trade
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: in March of twenty one when Aaron Gordon came over. Yeah,
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: and then what do they do when in fact this
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: it's a great point with his textra vict but it
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: drives right five years later. It d gives right with it, Brett.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: What happened? Test your knowledge? What happened after they traded
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: for Aaron.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Gordon Jamal Murray Towardsney.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: Not immediately the Nuggets. The Nuggets they were revitalized, revamped
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: that right. They laid ways to the rest of the
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: NBA for about three weeks and then Jamal towards a
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: cl and it all went to hell.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you said that. I was having
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: a conversation with Timberwolves GM Tim Connolly before Game one,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: and we were reminiscing about recent history and we were
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: talking about what could have been, and he said, you know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, Tim's ultimately a great optimist. He said, you
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: know what, we gave two championships away when Jamal got hurt.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: We were in the window at that point, we were
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: already there. We were there, We were in the championship window.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: And Jamal goes down and not only cast him that season,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: which they could have won because if you remember, that's
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: the year that Kawhi did this miracle stuff, Golden State
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: got hurt, that Kevin durrect they could have won the
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: championship that season that season, So two championship trophies that
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: went away due to injury? Have they been cursed by injury?
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, you're exactly right. Championship window was delayed because of injury.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: But I want to address this question though.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, can I answer that real quick answer your question? Yeah,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: I think to assume just because those guys were healthy,
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: you win this series? Is very faulty logic, very faulty,
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: and it also doesn't take into account. Look, man, we
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: lament the injuries that the Nuggets went through, and those
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: are pretty big injuries. Anthony Edwards was hurt too, and
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: so is Dante DiVincenzo, and so are some other guys
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: in this series. Like it's if you were doing the
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: balance scale of which injuries were more impactful. They were
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: more impactful for the Wolves, not.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: For you, Bingo, and I want to react to that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: It's how you respond to injury, It's how you respond
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: to adversity. I'm not going to deny the fact that
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: the two players, especially in this matchup where the Nuggets
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: are not as athletically gifted as Minnesota, They're just not
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Who are the nuggets two best athletes?
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: Two guys that were hurt.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Exactly the guys that they could least afford to lose,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: their best big man athlete and their other shot blocking athlete.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: The two guys who you really could have used in
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: this series specifically were not there. It's no surprise that
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: you win game one, you're up nineteen in game two,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: and what happened when you're up nineteen in game two?
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: What happened that game. That's when he got hurt again.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: That's when he reaggravated the calf again. Yep, that's when
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon wasn't Aaron Gordon again, and that's when it
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: all came crashing down. So yes, I acknowledge the series
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: may have looked different without or with those guys healthy.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I agree, But you lose that argument when the opposing
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: team loses key players as well, because they had to
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: face the same damn thing and they responded with vigor.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: Victor and there's something more missing. There's something I saw it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: I understand the most, foremost most, I understand the argument
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: if the opposing team remained healthy. By the way, Minnesota
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: was the healthiest team in the NBA this year. These
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: injuries occurred in the postseason, but during the regular season
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: they were healthy. So if the opposing team remains intact,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: I get it. But man, that team was eviscerated by injury.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: So it doesn't work anymore. You can't say that you had.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna say this very slowly for people. You had
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: no business losing last night. No business you had Nikola
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Jokic and Jamal Murray still in the line of healthy.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: You had four of your starting five in the lineup healthy.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: They were missing Anthony Edwards, Dante DiVincenzo, and then the
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: guy who kind of picked up the slack when those
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: guys left. The soon was a forty point score. It
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: does not matter who was injured for you, because the
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: scales were tipped more against the Minnesota Timberwolves. You lost
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: the game because, and I hate to make it like
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: something so abstract and intangible, they wanted it more than
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: you did everybody.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: I think it's so clear, and obviously it's and sometimes
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: that is the difference. And this is what bothers me
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: about the end analytical minds in our sports is that
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: everything comes down to numbers and scheme and strategy, and
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I say bs to all that. Sometimes sometimes it comes
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: down to what do you want? Jamal Murray after the
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: game said quote, they took the match up personally. They
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: wanted it really bad. We have to want it more.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: That's a quote from Jamal Murray, who did not play well.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: The player is saying this after the series. We said
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: it after game two that dude called you out by
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: name and you responded how in game three? The series
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: was lost in Game three when you responded with nothing.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: That's when it was lost. When people stuck microphones in
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: your face and your response was nothing, that's when.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: It was lost.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: You gotta show me and mean something it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: You know what it really felt like motion you lived
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: through this, vic you did too. I didn't, but I've
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: seen the documentary the Wings and Abs back in the
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: day right rivalry, And make no mistake, Minnesota in Denver
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: is a rivalry, and it's one of the few that
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: I think exists in the NBA right now. As far
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: as two teams that genuinely dislike each other, there was
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: an equal amount of hatred and will to beat the
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: other team with the Avs and the Wings. Correct, absolutely,
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: there wasn't one team that hated the other one more
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: when when you were called out, whether you were an
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: Avs or a Wings player, there was not a hey,
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: what do you think of what this guy said? And
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: they go, eah, you know, it's just you know, so
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: oh no, no, no, no no no. And what I saw
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: from the very beginning of this series was Minnesota was like,
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: bleep them, don't care what they think. Here's what I
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: think about them, and the ass went, oh, nuggets, all,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. The Nuggets went, oh, you know it's playoffs
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: or arrival of ours. I mean, it's not a huge thing.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: Hold on.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: It was that attitude that I think permeated this entire series.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Once you weremove emotion from sport, I'm out, I have
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: no it's not fun to watch for me. You know,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: you might as well just have robots out there. Emotion
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: is sports. Sports is emotion. And when you try to
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: carve that out and say it doesn't matter, it's how
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: you know it does matter. Do we all agree it
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter? I mean, am I? Who am I talking?
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: I don't want to hear any more bs about you know,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: you just gotta maintain your poison. You can't let that
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: bother you. Well, let it bother you. It should bother you.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: It should, it should bother you to the point where
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: you do something about it. And it's sad that we
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: have to say that.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Said it before during COVID the Last Dance documentary came
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: out and it was ten episodes of Michael Jordan's saying
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I took that personally, ten episodes every episode, Well why
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: did you do it?
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: He said this about me, and I took that personally, Nuggets,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: nobody else, I ate the pizza in spite of the
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: fact that the Nuggets were called out by name on
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: something which is defensive lee. When somebody say you're bad
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: as a defender, they're saying you don't have the proper
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: amount of effort.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: Then don't bang your head all day. Don't bang your head.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: Vic Jamal Maury's postgame quotes, they wanted it more than
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: we did. And then responding that game three and beyond,
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: you can't make them want it more than you do.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: No, And that's sad, I mean, and you can't.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: You can't make it right. You can't make them be
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: offended by some guy calling out by name all the
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: dudes on the roster who he thinks suck.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: And and if you admit that, and you say that
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: into a microphone, that they wanted it more than we did,
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: that they they were more desperate than we'd How did
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: you not respond by making changes? You gotta make changes.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: You can't run it back, Yeah, you to How do
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: you run it back? If that is the feeling, then
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: you don't suddenly just all of a sudden turn and say,
• 43:53
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