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#1890 How to Lose 10kg in 9 Hours - Tammy Van Wisse · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I good a team. I hope you're bloody great. It's me.
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  Speaker 1: It's Tammy Van, It's Tiffany ankled katsasit you. It's the
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  Speaker 1: bloody you project coming at you. I was going to
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  Speaker 1: say live, definitely not live. It's light for us in
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  Speaker 1: the moment, We'll start for the non swimmer in my
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  Speaker 1: top left corner. The pugilist is she who punches humans
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  Speaker 1: in the face for joy Hi.
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  Speaker 2: Tiv Hi and sinks to the bottom of the pool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't really have a good kind of body
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  Speaker 1: composition for floating. You're you're kind of a little bit
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  Speaker 1: rockish in the floatability department. There was a time in
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  Speaker 1: my life where I was like a fucking human cork.
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  Speaker 1: I was a fat, little fucking bobby up and down.
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  Speaker 1: You could just people could sit on me and fucking
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  Speaker 1: row ashore like I was like a fucking canoe with feet.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was so fucking floating.
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  Speaker 3: That's what miss the window to get you into marathon swimming.
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  Speaker 1: Then, huh oh you did. But I could eat my
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  Speaker 1: way back there in a fucking month. Don't worry about that.
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  Speaker 1: If I committed to getting fat, I could be fucking
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  Speaker 1: world class by Tuesday. Don't worry. Hi Tammy, how are you?
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  Speaker 4: I am well, thank you. That was a great introduction.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, putting on fun things to do when you're a
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  Speaker 3: marathon sim It's just it actually falls in line with
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  Speaker 3: sumo wrestling, I think one of the few sports where
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  Speaker 3: you know, the fat body fat is admired.
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  Speaker 1: Well it's not only is it my admired, it's like
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  Speaker 1: a physiological necessity for survival and performance and you know,
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  Speaker 1: getting the job done right.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, because you know, cold, when you're swimming in cold water,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't care how fit you are, and you have
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  Speaker 3: to gain that extra insulation layer to basically survive for
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  Speaker 3: long periods of time in freezing waters when you're doing big,
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  Speaker 3: long swims.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, it literally is a survival technique.
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  Speaker 3: But you have to you have to do otherwise you
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  Speaker 3: might not make it to the other side.
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  Speaker 1: So me as an exercise physiologist, right, I'm fascinating because
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  Speaker 1: I guess there's so you think, oh, well, obviously you
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  Speaker 1: need to be able to fit enough, to be fit
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  Speaker 1: enough to you know, swim the English Channel or Bass
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  Speaker 1: Straight or Murray River or Cook Straight or all the
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  Speaker 1: bloody myriad of things that you swam but so you've
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  Speaker 1: got to be fit enough obviously, but then you've got
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  Speaker 1: to be able to swim well, so technically you've got
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  Speaker 1: to be able to swim, but then the more fat
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  Speaker 1: you've got, the more floatable or the more buoyant you are.
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  Speaker 1: And then also the more body fat you've got, the
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  Speaker 1: more you're protected from the cold. So you might be
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  Speaker 1: really fit and really good technically, but you can't get
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  Speaker 1: the job done just because you ain't got enough warps and.
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  Speaker 4: That is so true.
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  Speaker 3: But it's also a balance because although that helps you
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  Speaker 3: to fly, you've also got to be strong enough to
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  Speaker 3: carry that extra weight through the pool. So you can
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  Speaker 3: be fit, but then you have to I guess up
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  Speaker 3: your fitness to be able to you know, pull that
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  Speaker 3: extra in five ten kilos and it does balance out
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  Speaker 3: obviously with the floatation. But yeah, so it's a fine
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  Speaker 3: line between getting enough weight on to be able to
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  Speaker 3: sustain yourself to actually make it, and yet not too
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  Speaker 3: much on the other side, where you know you're compromising
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  Speaker 3: lots of your fitness or you're not fit enough, you
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  Speaker 3: have to train your way through. So it's a really
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  Speaker 3: difficult situation. It's like the conundrum isn't it. You're trying
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  Speaker 3: to get fit, you're trying to gain weight, trying to
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  Speaker 3: be able to build strength, so there's so many things
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  Speaker 3: going on, and yeah, it's a fine balance, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a dichotomy or a contradiction because you know,
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  Speaker 1: endurance training expends vast amount of calories, right, So one,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to eat enough calories just to fucking break even,
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  Speaker 1: and then you've got to double that so you can
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  Speaker 1: get fat on top of all the you know, functional fat.
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  Speaker 1: There's a thought, Yeah, what what was the I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Is that unenjoyable? I'd like, it seems like to me,
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  Speaker 1: I think, wow, imagine just having to fucking at all
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  Speaker 1: the food part of me is like ever, best day ever.
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  Speaker 1: But in reality it wouldn't be much fun. I would imagine, oh, look.
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  Speaker 3: It's best day ever for you know, for a few weeks,
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  Speaker 3: like everything, you know, the joy kind of goes out
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  Speaker 3: of it. At first, You're like really excited about the
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  Speaker 3: prospect of eating whatever you like. You know, like back
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  Speaker 3: in the day, Yeah, I might have been impartial to
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  Speaker 3: a few doughnuts and chocolate and eating peanut butter straight
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  Speaker 3: from the jar and cakes and you know, all those
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  Speaker 3: things that usually are off limits for an elite.
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  Speaker 4: High performance.
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  Speaker 3: And it's great fun, but then it becomes a chore
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  Speaker 3: because you're literally you know, like you said, I was
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  Speaker 3: training in the vicinity of twenty to twenty five kilometers
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  Speaker 3: a day swimming and trying to eat enough to just
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  Speaker 3: cover the calories that I expend in my training was hard,
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  Speaker 3: let alone, then trying to make game.
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  Speaker 4: On top of that.
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  Speaker 3: So it's literally like a full time job. If you're
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  Speaker 3: not sleeping or swimming, you're eating. You just have to
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  Speaker 3: keep stuff in your face. So like everything that the
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  Speaker 3: novelty wears off fairly quickly. And yeah, everybody's envious. And
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  Speaker 3: in fact, I had a lot of support crew that
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  Speaker 3: were like.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, bring me up, Hey Tam, I've eaten, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a whole block of cadgurys and I've put on another kilo.
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  Speaker 3: But they wouldn't come to the pool and train with me.
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  Speaker 3: They were just my eating support crew.
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  Speaker 1: Pure nutritional emotional eating support crew.
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  Speaker 5: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: What was the what was the coldest water that you
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  Speaker 1: swim in?
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  Speaker 4: Ah, that would be lockness, That would be lockness.
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  Speaker 3: It was about six decrees in locknow six to seven.
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  Speaker 3: But it felt like, you know, when you see the
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  Speaker 3: news were on, the weather presenter says, you know, tomorrow
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  Speaker 3: is going to be twelve, but it's going to feel
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  Speaker 3: like it's minus two.
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  Speaker 4: And that was pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Much lockness because it's fresh water and it's very den
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  Speaker 3: and whereas the saltwater get the boy and see and
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  Speaker 3: you know, it just feels a lot easier to swim
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  Speaker 3: through fresh waters, like like swimming through syrup, and it's heavy,
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  Speaker 3: it's dense, and you sink, so you have to work hard,
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  Speaker 3: you have to expend more energy to keep yourself afloat,
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  Speaker 3: and you also, yeah, struggle to stay as warm.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, that I really felt it in Luckiness.
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  Speaker 3: And I do remember at one point, I think I
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  Speaker 3: was just past the halfway mark and I was so
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  Speaker 3: freaking cold.
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  Speaker 4: I was just like an icicle. And I turned around
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  Speaker 4: to my support crew and actually said to them, I
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  Speaker 4: wish Nessie would let it come up and eat me
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  Speaker 4: right now. I'm that cold and put me out of
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  Speaker 4: my misery.
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  Speaker 3: And on my support crew, I had Olympic ledgend Dawn Fraser,
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  Speaker 3: and Dawn's like she just looked at me, She's just gone, well,
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  Speaker 3: Nessie doesn't like cold cuts, So just keep swimming.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, so.
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  Speaker 4: No sympathy, no sympathy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, God bless hers.
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  Speaker 4: You just said that's you keep food Messi's not going
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  Speaker 4: to like you.
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  Speaker 1: I never thought. I mean, I don't know why I
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  Speaker 1: never thought of this, but I never thought about the
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  Speaker 1: difference in buoyancy between fresh and salt water. Do you
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  Speaker 1: do you have any way to illustrate that, Like, is
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  Speaker 1: there a number? Is there some kind of comparative, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like we're twenty five percent more buoyant when we're in
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  Speaker 1: salt versus fresh or maybe you can google, maybe the
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  Speaker 1: interwebs can tell us that TIF compare buoyancy in fresh
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  Speaker 1: water for to salt order for a swimmer. So that
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  Speaker 1: that that took you nine hours and six minutes. I've
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  Speaker 1: got all your data here, it's my memory.
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  Speaker 5: Is not that fucking amazing I've.
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  Speaker 4: Got I'm glad you reminded me. I couldn't remember.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you were the first person. Yeah, you were the
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  Speaker 1: first person to swim It's forty kilometers in nine hours
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  Speaker 1: and six minutes. Well, is it more physically or mentally challenging?
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  Speaker 5: You know it's physically challenging, but is.
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  Speaker 1: It harder to keep your head in the game than
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  Speaker 1: your body in the water.
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 3: So, Look, I really believe it's a mental game at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day, because I think once you
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  Speaker 3: get to a certain level of fitness, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: all about the mental game that you play, because if
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  Speaker 3: you if you haven't got the right strategies and the tools,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's so easy to pull out at any.
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  Speaker 4: Point in time because you just you're continually hit.
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  Speaker 3: By waves of different things, whether that be like the
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  Speaker 3: physical waves, or whether that be the cold, or whether
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  Speaker 3: that even just be you know, your mind in a tailspin,
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  Speaker 3: you know, out of boredom even because you've got to
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  Speaker 3: keep yourself occupied for a long period of time.
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  Speaker 4: You're in your own.
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  Speaker 3: Head, so of course you get the thoughts and the
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  Speaker 3: doubts in spinning around. So you've got to keep yourself
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  Speaker 3: on an even keel for a long period of time.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, it's like a negotiation. Your brain's constantly
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  Speaker 3: negotiating with the body because you know it's giving you
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  Speaker 3: all sorts of signals to tell you how bad you're
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  Speaker 3: feeling and how much pain you're in, and it's really
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to ignore them. As you get on and
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  Speaker 3: specifically in a very long swim, you're also sleep deprived.
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  Speaker 4: So not only you know.
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  Speaker 3: Are you physically exhausted, but you're you know, your brain,
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  Speaker 3: your decision making processes are slowed down from the cold
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  Speaker 3: and also from the actual exhaustion of you know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: swimming through the night when a time when you would
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  Speaker 3: be sleeping. So you're just not functioning at your best level.
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  Speaker 3: And the further you go, obviously, the more the mental
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  Speaker 3: aspect comes into play.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, and the bottom line, and we all
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  Speaker 1: do things that aren't great for our body, but the
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  Speaker 1: bottom line is it's not awesome for your body. Right,
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  Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, this is a good thing for
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  Speaker 1: my body, Like it's a potentially dangerous thing for your body.
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  Speaker 1: So what are the provisions? And like, obviously you have
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  Speaker 1: a medical person. I imagine you have a doctor or someone
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  Speaker 1: in the crew. What who gets to make that call?
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  Speaker 1: Like if you're like no, you can all get fucked
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  Speaker 1: on swimming and they're like noewere take like under what
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  Speaker 1: circumstances can pull you out of the water? What needs
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  Speaker 1: to be happening.
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  Speaker 3: That's a that's a really great question and it's something
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  Speaker 3: that we explored through I guess through nearly a tragedy
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  Speaker 3: because I actually swim in the English Channel with.
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  Speaker 4: My brother in nineteen ninety three, my brother John, and.
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  Speaker 3: We wanted to become the first brother and sister assuming
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  Speaker 3: the English Channel together. And I put on ten kilos
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  Speaker 3: and I think he'd put on close to ten kilos
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  Speaker 3: as well. But his starting point was a lot dinner
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  Speaker 3: than me, and so he didn't have as much fat,
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  Speaker 3: and even in training swims leading into the channel, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he'd get a lot colder than I would, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when we'd go for six hours was in the bay.
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  Speaker 3: So during the English Channel swim four kilometers away from
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  Speaker 3: the coast of France, he actually got hypothermia and a
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  Speaker 3: couple of you know, like he stopped for a feed
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  Speaker 3: and they you know, his support creed on his boat
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  Speaker 3: at that time was Dawn. She asked him me uok,
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  Speaker 3: and he said yes. He was able to answer some
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  Speaker 3: basic questions and within about five minutes then he just
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  Speaker 3: basically sunk, disappeared underwater.
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  Speaker 4: Dawn jumped into the water, pulled him back on board
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  Speaker 4: the boat.
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  Speaker 3: She broke two ribs in the process of pulling him
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  Speaker 3: back in because it was a rough crossing and she
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  Speaker 3: had to give him mouth to mouth resuscitation basically, so
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  Speaker 3: through that horrendous experience, he luckily he was okay and
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  Speaker 3: they were able to motor back to England again. And
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  Speaker 3: I was still swimming at this point in time, and
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  Speaker 3: I was unaware and the crew. I kept asking how's John,
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  Speaker 3: How's John? Because I was very worried about him getting hypothermia.
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  Speaker 3: It was in my mind for most of the swim,
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  Speaker 3: and they wouldn't give me any updates on how he
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  Speaker 3: was going. They just said, no, he's fine, but they
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't give me any specifics and they didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: tell me because they were worried that I wouldn't finish
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  Speaker 3: because I was only a couple of kilometers offshore, So
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  Speaker 3: they didn't tell me until actually after I'd finished my crossing,
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  Speaker 3: and then you know, obviously I jumped back on my
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  Speaker 3: boat and we motored back to England, sort of chasing
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  Speaker 3: their boat to make sure.
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  Speaker 4: I was beside myself worried about how he was. So
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  Speaker 4: there was.
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  Speaker 3: A happy ending to that outcome, luckily. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: lessons learned, and so now whenever I'm in a cold
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  Speaker 3: water swim, Dawn has the Basically, she has the ability
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  Speaker 3: to call a swim off, which is a huge responsibility
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  Speaker 3: to put on someone's shoulders. But we have a pact
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  Speaker 3: that if she thinks that, you know, I've been in
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  Speaker 3: the water for a long period of time and I'm
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  Speaker 3: heading towards hypothermia, she'll ask me what my name and
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  Speaker 3: my date of birth is, and if I can't answer
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  Speaker 3: those questions quickly and clearly, then the swim's over and
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  Speaker 3: she'll pull me out, no questions asked. Because when you
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  Speaker 3: sort of hypothemia is a slow creeping thing on the
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  Speaker 3: body and then all of a sudden, you know, before.
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  Speaker 4: You know it, you're hypothermic. So you can answer very
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  Speaker 4: basic questions yes and.
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  Speaker 3: No, but when you need to actually think about something,
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  Speaker 3: your response is a lot slower.
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  Speaker 4: So that's the sort of level.
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  Speaker 3: Of safety that we have, you know, for the swims,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody knows that. So it's good to have that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, through that lesson, we learned we needed to
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  Speaker 3: have those protocols in place.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing, And how did God bless Dawn, she's fucking
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  Speaker 1: represent Shout out to Dawn. She probably won't listen to this,
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  Speaker 1: but I saw you on the news the other night,
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  Speaker 1: Love and you're back in the pool and you've had
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  Speaker 1: a few challenges. She's doing well. She was doing some easy,
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  Speaker 1: peasy laps I saw on the news. Good on her.
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  Speaker 1: How did that? How did that impact John? Like did
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  Speaker 1: he like like fuck that I'm not doing that anymore?
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  Speaker 1: Or did it scare him? Did it make him reassess
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  Speaker 1: what happened?
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  Speaker 4: I think it made him reassess.
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  Speaker 3: He put on a bit of bravado, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: we came back to Australia and you know, just sort
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  Speaker 3: of came the farm for a little bit. But he
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  Speaker 3: actually decided that he wanted to go back again and
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  Speaker 3: do the channel and not let it beat him. And
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  Speaker 3: so he I think he was more receptive to taking
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  Speaker 3: on board advice because we had been telling him to
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  Speaker 3: put on more weight, you know, because the signs were there,
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  Speaker 3: and like I said, I was very concerned because you know,
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  Speaker 3: he was not coping as well with the cold you know.
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  Speaker 4: Before we left.
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  Speaker 3: So this time he put on We went back the
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  Speaker 3: following year in ninety four, and he put on twenty
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  Speaker 3: two kilos. Wow, twenty two kilos, and yeah, we became
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  Speaker 3: the first brother and sister assumed the channel together, so
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  Speaker 3: successful crossing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's a naturally lean dude.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen him for but I used to see
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  Speaker 1: a fair bit of him. He's a lean dude naturally.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah he is.
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  Speaker 3: He's very tall and very lean, very muscular, and he's
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  Speaker 3: actually very suited to endurance running as well.
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  Speaker 4: He's a fantastic marathon runner as well.
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  Speaker 3: He's one of those rare athletes that can cross over
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  Speaker 3: and has crossed over and you know sort of done
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  Speaker 3: went into triathlons iman and ultra you know, try ultra
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  Speaker 3: endurance trathlons as well. He did want from London to
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  Speaker 3: Paris as well. So yeah, it's it's incredible. He's very versatile,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, he runs very lean, so for him, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for athletes like that. You know, again, everybody is different
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  Speaker 3: and that's why your training is really important. You've got
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  Speaker 3: to listen to your body. You've got to understand what
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  Speaker 3: it's going through. It's the same with your feed regimes,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, you have timings for your feeds during
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  Speaker 3: a swim and what you have, like you know, it
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  Speaker 3: varies from athlete to athlete because you know, one particular
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  Speaker 3: formula for one person, you know, makes somebody else throw up.
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  Speaker 4: So there's all different variables, and it's really important to.
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  Speaker 3: Put in the groundwork and the base and know what
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  Speaker 3: works for you and practice it again and again and again.
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  Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Like we talk a lot, Tif, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to ask you that question in the moment. I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: We talk a lot about genetic variability and how everyone's
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  Speaker 1: body responds tam differently to even the same stimulus. It's
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  Speaker 1: like you and Tiff might eat the same diet, do
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  Speaker 1: the same training, had the same amount of sleep, same
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  Speaker 1: mount and recovery, totally different outcomes. Right, she gets injured,
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  Speaker 1: your fine, or you get injured chese fine, or she
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  Speaker 1: makes amazing progress, you stagnate. Whatever. It's a bit about
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  Speaker 1: the diet and the training and the recovery, but it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot about how your body responds to that particular protocol.
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  Speaker 1: And I love the I love that you're saying that
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  Speaker 1: somebody can have a certain formula in the water and
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  Speaker 1: it's going to make them throw up. But for somebody
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  Speaker 1: else that's exactly what they need. That's just trial and error.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, is.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: It it is? It is?
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, obviously you take on board, the
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: generic advice of what people are using a particular carbohydrate
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: drink or bananas or you know, so you listen to
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: the advice and then you just practice that in your
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: training leading in and so you trial something and see
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: whether it agrees with you and see whether you still
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: feel like you're performing well. And obviously you have to
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: take that you have to do long swim, so you
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: literally whilst you don't do the full distance, you know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: you're doing training sessions that are quite long, and you
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: just need to keep trying and practicing different things until
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: you find something that you think works for you and
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: is agreeable and look, and you have to have a
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: couple of plan b's as well, because you know, sometimes
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: even during a swim, one thing may that may have
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: worked for you in training, may be good for the
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: beginning of the swim, but then you find, you know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: you start to feel a bitqueasy, so you need to change.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: So you just have to have plan A, Plan B,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Plan C. It's about being prepared. It's just all about
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: being prepared and tailoring it to yourself and that only
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: comes through practice before you actually enter the event.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: And so what was your I'm sure things varied over time,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: but like in the lock nest, like nine hours freezing water,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: coldest water you've ever been in. You wanted the locknest
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: monster to eat you halfway. You're hating life, what you
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: go to? What are you drinking or eating in that situation.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: So I for a lot of my you know, for
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: a lot of my swims, pretty much probably for ten years,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I used a particular energy bar that I sawced out
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: of Canada that taps into your body fat and gives
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: it to you as fuel.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: And that worked.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Mean it's chocolate, and I would turn that into a powder.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah I couldn't. They didn't actually have it as a
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: powderfum back in the early days, but they did then
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: turn it into a bit of a I'd grind it
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: up and then it'd be like a hot chocolate for me,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: or lukewarm might have it in the cold water swims,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: So cold water SOMs, you're going to want to be
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: having stuff that's warm, generally to make you feel better
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: on the inside. Hot water swims generally you know, cold drinks.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: But for me that was my go to and herbal
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: tease that sort of thing, as well as bananas occasionally
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: mouthwash just shirensing salt water SIMS was really helpful because
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: your mouth becomes so salty that you actually can't taste
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: anything either, Like your throat and tongue just swells up.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: And that's one of the things as well.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: At further you go like you can't help but swallow
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: water during a rough crossing, so you start to get
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: an upset stomach, so that interferes again with what you're
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: able to keep down and also just the crew being
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: able to access you. I remember during Bastraight, I swim
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: mostly during the nighttime and the waves picked up. We
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: had three to four meter swells, and the crew found
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: it difficult just to sort of pass me my drinks
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: and food like, because a wave of just knock it
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: out of their hands, so we'd have to try again
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: and try again. So it became very frustrating even just
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: to get sustenance at some point. So all these little
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: things again, you know, it's where the mental game comes in.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: It's so easy to get really overwhelmed and upset and
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: frustrated with what's going on, but you just have to
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: try and stay calm.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Did you find out anything.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I found out that there is a two point eight
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: percent increase in density with salt order, which sounds tiny,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: but it's a game changer when you're swimming. Fun fact, though,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the deep the Dead Sea has a salinity so high
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: that it's twenty five percent denser than regular ocean water.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can float on the top and read
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: a newspaper and yeah, I've seen pictures of people doing that.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: It'd be terrible to swim in, but.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I'd be a world class swimmer in the Dead Sea. Hey, Tam,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: do you know? Thanks TIV, feel free to ask a question,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: tip or jump in, Tam, do you know so when
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you're I mean, this would be a guestimate, but I'd
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: just be curious around calorie expenditure per hour when you're
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: in lock nest, because there's the thermogenic requirement of trying
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: to keep your fucking body warm, Like trying to maintain
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: body heat is a massive calorie burner. And then on
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: top of that, of course the swimming. Any idea how
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: many calories you were burning per hour in that swim
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: or any of your swims.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I have no idea how many calories I was burning,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: but I can tell you that I lost ten kilos
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: during the swim.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: You're in lockmans. Yeah, yeah, thank you.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Hang on, I'm writing that down. Think about think about that, everyone,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: ten kilos and you were in the water for nine
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: hours and six minutes. I'm trying to yes, nine hours
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and six hell everyone, so everyone head to lock nest.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: There's your answer.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I got bucko zen pic.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Just swim in freezing water, dodge a few lockless monsters,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: and gastric bypassed.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I wonder, I mean, I know, like obviously some of
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that that weight loss would be water loss. But I mean,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: this is a strange question. I probably shouldn't ask it,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: but fuck it. But before you got in the water, right,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you were chubby obviously because you needed to be for
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the like you had to gain all the fat for
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: functional and health reasons. Could could were you noticeably leaner
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: when you got out? Like did you? Did you?
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Absolutely no, noticeably thinner? Same with Bastraight. I lost ten
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: kilos across bas straight as well, and I think I
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: lost eight across the English channel, so yeah, yeah, so
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: it varied, but yeah, it was pretty high up there
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: with calorie loss.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: So yeah, this podcast, this podcast could be called how
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to Lose ten kilos in nine hours?
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: It could be or it could be called swim yourself, thin.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yourself. So what's the hottest water or the warmest water
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: of swimming as competitively or as an event or as
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: a one of your challenges.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I did this race in Greece in a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: place called the Gulf of Toronaos, and the water temperature
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: there was twenty nine degrees salt water, and I actually
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: got hyppathermia.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: By the time I came out.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: I was so I literally came out I was so
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: sun burn because it was full summer in Greece. And
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: afterwards that night I started to violently shiver because I
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: was sumbern I had hypothemis, so I was like wrapping
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: myself in sleeping bags and all the warm clothes. So
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: it was the opposite effect, you know. I'd maintained my fluids,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: but yeah, it was just so hot that I'd overheated.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: And the other place where I'd swim in warm water
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: was the Murray. When I started swimming the length of
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: the Murray, I started up in Koreyng in the high country,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: and it was only about nine or ten degrees in
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: the river. Because I was swimming in the snowmoult coming
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: down from Coosiosco. But sort of two months in I
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: crossed the border into South Australia.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: We were about two thousand nearly two thousand k's.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: You know, down the road, and Adelaide had like the
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: hottest summer on record for like twenty years, and it
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: was fifty five degrees in the shade, and it was
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: twenty nine degrees in the Murray River, and so swimming
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: in the river was it was like swimming in boiling
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: water too. It was really hard, and so I had
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: to space my swims out. Generally, i'd start really early
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: in the morning and swim sinner's sunrise and we had
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: light and we could see our way clear. I'd start
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: swimming for maybe three or four hours, and then we'd
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: rest during the main part of the day because of
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: just you know, the heat of the sun and the
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: risk of sunstroke as well. And then i'd start again
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: in the late the late afternoon and swim into the
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: evening until sunset. So yeah, yeah, different, different end of
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: the spectrum swimming.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I asked this last time, but I
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: can't remember, so I'm sure our listeners can't remember. The
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: second part. I didn't the first part, I think I
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: did snakes in the Murray River, Yes, I think. Remind me.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Remind me about what was the You bumped into a few,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: or you saw a few, or crew saw a few.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, we had a few encounters of the reptilian kind.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Tigers and brown snakes are quite prevalent on the Mari,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: and I guess if you're going there for a holiday,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: you don't generally see them. So there was a couple
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: of factors that added to the number of snake sidings
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: that we had, and one of them was that the
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: river had been in drought for five years prior to
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: me starting my swim, and I actually thought that I
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: would be walking parts of it it was that dry.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: But two weeks before I was due to start, we
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: had like really heavy downpaws and so much so that
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: the river was out of its banks, and the sees
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: advised me to postpone my swim by a week or
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: two until it sort of receded, and of course that
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: flushed out from the wetland areas as well a lot
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: more snakes and so Yeah, so a few times we
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: saw them. My crew the way that I had my
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: crew structures that I had a boat beside me, a
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: kayak paddler on the other side, and then another boat
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: which was my scout boat up ahead, and its job
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: was for them to look for snags and snakes and
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: then you know, obviously shout out. But it was really
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: scary for me because I had ear plugs in, you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to avoid getting ear infections.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: And so, and the water was pretty muddy, and so.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I was really on edge quite a lot because I
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: was worried that I wouldn't hear, you know, the whistle
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: being blown if there was a snake, and a couple
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: of times, you know, I had to be evacuated extracted
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: out of the river pretty quickly because there was a
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: snake up ahead.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: In fact, the first time my crew saw a snake.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: They actually thought, oh, we'll run over it with the
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: IRB and of course then the snake actually disappeared under
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: the water and sort of popped up at the river banks.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: We didn't realize that snakes can actually swim quite far
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: under the water, so.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: That made me even more paranoid.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, no, I'm swimming along, I can't
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: see underneath me and I touched something and I think
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: it's a snake, and particularly as I got further as well,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: because I was getting more and more exhausted. I remember
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: being in South Australia again and I'd stop for a
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: bee and all of a sudden, I had this really sharp,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: sort of like a sting on my back, and I thought.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: And I started crying and screaming.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: I said, I met you.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I was just delirious at.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: That time, so hot, and my crew like pulled me
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: out of the water really quickly, zip down my wet
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: suit and there was a bee that had sort of
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: snuck its way.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but because I, you know, immediately went to snake.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: So was that was that paranoid about it? Because we'd
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: seen so many you know, when we were camping on
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: the side of the river bank, but also in the water.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: So yeah, some pretty scary moments with that, and also
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: with the snags, and I got concussed a couple of
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: times running into submerged logs as well.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: So that was, yeah, you're always always on edge.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: It was hard to relax and that that was probably
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: one of the most difficult parts of the swim.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Hell, I mean, this was never in doubt, but you're
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: so much braver than me. I mean, that was never
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: an issue. I mean, nobody doubted that, including me, but
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I just thought i'd clear that up an.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: I'm we've got it on public record, now keep this chick.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: That's I mean, nobody's surprised by that. I would I'm
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: not even being funny. This is not even me being
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: funny for a gag. I would not fucking get in
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the wa if they went, oh, by the way, there's
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: tiger snakes and brown snakes, I'll be like, fuck that
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: swim I'm jogging. I'm like, put me in a swimming
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: pool or something. My other question was speaking of dangerous
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Australian wildlife in the in the ocean. Of course, sharks
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: never an issue or some ever.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple of times, really yeah, yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: So probably the scariest one was when I did the
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: cook Straight from in New Zealand from the North to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: the South Island, and I actually did the first crossing
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: and I had a really great swim and I broke
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: the world record, and then I planned to do a double.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: So I turned around and I started swimming back again
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: to the North Island and I was only I'm going
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: to say less than a kilometer in and the tides
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: turned weather conditions started to deteriorate, and the crew said
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to me, look, you know it's it's really becoming messy.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: It's better to pull the pin now because it's just
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: not going to be an easy swim to get back.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: So I sort of, you know, relented, and I swam
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: to the back of the boy and literally, as I
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: was climbing up the back ladder, like a three and
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: a half meter white pulled up right like you saw
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: the fin, like it just rose from the depths, and
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: it pulled up right where I was swimming, not like
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: fifteen seconds before.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: And the thing about this was that I was actually.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Consented because you know, I always worry about sharks. And
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I had said to the old and I of the
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: swim because there's a cook Straight Swimming Association, and I'd
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: said to the organizer, hey, like, you know, what's the
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: precautions with sharks here and so do you use a
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: cage or what's the go And he said, no, no,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: don't need to worry about sharks.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: You know, we never have an issue with them.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: They get scared off by the noise of the engine,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: so you know, don't panic, It's all going to be fine. So,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: of course, as this shark pulls up and I'm climbing
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: up the back of the boat. I straight away grab
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: the organizer knows it to.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: So what's wrong with this shark then? Is he deaf
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: or something?
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: I was like, you know, like that could have been me.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: So it was one of those moments it was meant
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: to be that I got out of it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Just at that time just kind of just point out
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that three and a half meters is about twelve foot.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, that is that is a very big I mean,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that's a that's going to bite you in half shark.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Like yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And by the way, when you swim from one island
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: to the next in New Zealand, like did you have
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: north south South North?
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: I can't remember, I went north south.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, So you swim from North Island to the South
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Island and you break the world record. What you do
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: then is tam you go fuck, I'm good, and you
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: get in the car and buger off. You don't turn
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: around and go I'm going to swim back.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that was the big part of it.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: I was looking forward to doing my tumble turn at
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: the end and then you.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Know, actually it was a scary finish to you because
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: as I arrived in the South Island, you know, arrive
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: just sort of just a bit up the coast from
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Picton and it's pretty much a sheer cliff face and
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: there's rocks jutting out of the water, but there's huge
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: kelp and you have to swim through the kelp and
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: to physically but for them to stop the clock, you
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: actually have to physically have your whole body out of
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: the water.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: So I had to find a rock to climb.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: On, and of course, yeah, yeah, it was not rock
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: climbing is not my thing. And late after you've been
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: like you know, going flat chat in the water for
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: you know, six seven hours and then like making my
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: way through the kelp was really frightening because that was
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: the scariest part.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: So it was just was really big, like swimming through
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: the kelp to find a place to stop.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, can I ask after, Well, yeah, you can
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: ask because you've got a podcast and that's what you do,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: so you don't need to ask. If you can ask,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you if fucking just ask. All right, thanks, Hey, everyone,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: just chatting myself. I'll be back in a moment and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: now back to the show. I'm just going to ask
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: when you finished all the swimming, all the training, all
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the competing, and all the vast amount of energy expenditure.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Did you have to really be super duper careful about
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you know, diet, and because I would imagine if you
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: kept your calories anywhere in the same ballpark, that wouldn't
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: have ended well, are you right?
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, one hundred percent, spot on.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I had to really think about what I was eating
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: because swimming, I think when you're a swimmer anyway, you
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: tend to eat a lot more.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I think because your body temperate.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: You're in water, which is generally lower than your body temperature,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: so it stimulates your appetite, not like runners, where you
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: tend to I guess burn more and you tend to
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: be as hungry after.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: A big run.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: But you know, when you've been doing lots of swimming,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: you just work up such an appetite. So I was
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: lucky that my body kind of adjusted so I didn't
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: feel the need to eat as much. But you know, look,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: I had to be careful as well. But for a
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: long time, even though I wasn't doing the marathons, I
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: was still doing, you know, a bit of training because
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I'm a bit addicted to the training.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: The training is the part I really love more than
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: the competition side of things. I just, you know, I
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: really enjoy being part of the squad and just that
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: feeling of, you know, being fit.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: It's a great thing.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: And I know that I perform a bitter mentally during
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: the day if I've done some exercise.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: So it's always been a big part of my life.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: You know, when you've got to ask someone to a question,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you think, fuck, I don't know if I should ask
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: this question because this person who I'm talking to might
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: like this person or might not like this person. And
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the person that I'm currently talking to is very polite.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: So anyway, there's a dude that's always coming into my feed.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: And his I don't know.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I think he's probably the highest profile distant swimmer in
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the world. His name's Ross Edgeley.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know about him. Yeah, yah, yeah,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I've been following too.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Have you ever, Tiff, have you seen this dude? Right,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: He's been like fucking soup. You look at him, it's
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: like this guy's a bodybuilder. He's not Ross Edgeley. Now,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: all of our listeners are going by the way, ladies
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and some of the blokes you will not be disappointed.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: You will not.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: I'm not disappointed.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I'm a straight man, and I'm like, I'd probably spoon
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: that motherfucker, no problems. We've got some popcorns and Netflix.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I'd be pretty happy that dude, what do you think
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: he's ripped and he seems he's he's swimming in the
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: next week or two or three and one thousand miles
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: around down Tactic or or something ridiculous.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be interested to see and to follow that
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: from about how he's like, you know, how he's prepared
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: for that. But I mean, look, he's done a lot
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: of big swims, he's done a lot of cold water swims,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: so he knows what he's in for. And I do
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: believe he's an exercise physiologist as well, so he's got
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: the science.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: You know, he's very knowledgeable.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: So I imagine he'll be super prepared and I've done
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of work for that, and it'll be interesting
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: to see how he goes mentally. Is really strong, and yeah,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: it's great.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: It's great to see.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Events like that where people are just you know, pushing
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: the boundaries of human endurance in different ways, and especially
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: in that cold water is going to be excruciating.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, imagine he's going to be doing very
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: short stints.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a lot of short swims because
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: he wouldn't want to be in the water for too long,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: obviously risking hypodermic, but also just the energy deficit, like
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: you know, because it makes you so tired, Like you
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: come out and you are so tired.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: So I think the recovery is going to be really important.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: But obviously, again he would have been doing a lot
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: of training and practicing and understanding those components of it
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: and have it all together and have a pretty awesome
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: support crew. I think he's going to have to have
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: a pretty heavy duty medical team traveling, and he'll probably
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: have a.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if he.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Has like an internal temperature age, if some sort inserted
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: so that his support or he can monitor what his
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: core temperature is at all times, so that if it
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: drops too low that they can just extract him.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I was pretty happy with that until you got to
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the word inserted.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, well to what do you think, well, between Bailey
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Smith yesterday and Ross Edgeley today, my insta feed is
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: going to be cracking.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, she didn't know how she didn't know who
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Bailey Smith was. He's an AFL player. She's now very
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: happy with him. I don't think it hurts to have
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: a bit of eye candy coming up in your feed tip.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I look very delightful. Everyone give him a follow apparently
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I'm the last person on earth to follow him, though
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: he's already got a million.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good on him. Hey, Sam, we'll wind up, but
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: just quickly. The last few years haven't been a lot
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: of fun for you. How are you has your health?
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: How are you tracking? Do you need a hug from harps?
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: What's the update?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: I always can do with a hug, you know, that's
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: a very important thing.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: But no, look, thank you for asking. I'm doing well.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: And yes, I celebrated two years post breast cancer treatment
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: last week.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, that.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Was an endurance journey of a different kind, and I guess,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: you know, it was something that was unexpected that I
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: hadn't prepared for, you know, a lot of uncertainty. So
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: I used a lot of the mental strategies that you know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: went into the marathon seeming side of things to sort
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: of get me through treatment. But it was a very
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: very different experience, you know, in terms of being thrown
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: in the deep end, I guess you could say, because
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I said, you know, I didn't know what to expect,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: whereas at least with the marathons whom I've trained for it,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I'm prepared. I understand what the variables are. But you know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: when you are diagnosed with something like cancer, it's a
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: it's a totally different journey to go through. But I'm
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: happy to say that I'm doing really really well, and yeah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and I've learned a lot of things, and it's you know,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: you come out the other side, and there's.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Always through the hard stuff.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: There's always learnings and growth, and I think, you know,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: you might not see it when you're in the midst
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: of it, and this.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Bloody sucks, but you know, it does change you.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: And I think for me it's been being actually a
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: real positive because I've sort of thought about I guess
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: my health a.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Little bit more as well.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Like you know, it just changes your outlook on life
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: a little bit and gives you a lot more empathy
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: for what other people are going through. And I think,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: you know, sometimes we get so busy that we don't
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: realize everybody else is going through lots of stuff. As well,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: so it's made me a bit more tolerant. So yeah,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: it's yeah, through bad things you get good things too.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: But no, I'm doing well well.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: You deserve all the good things from the day that
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I met you, which was I don't know, thirty years
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: ago or something until you've.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: Got it thirty years ago, dude, it was.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I know, I know, but I still can't believe. My
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: brain doesn't want to accept that. I feel like that
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: long ago that was walking in the doors of Harper's
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: and you know, having a time of a life.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Being smad.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to try with a maniac. Hey, Tim, you're great,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: we love you. How can people find you? I know
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you do a lot of speaking. If you need somebody
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: who's going to blow your socks off with your organization
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: or your team, or your club or your school. I've
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: heard Tammy speak many times. She's world class, She's fucking amazing.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: So at the very least have a chat with her.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: How do people connect with you and follow you and
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: get you on board.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: So they can find me on LinkedIn? Just under Tammy
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Van with the same with Instagram. They are two easy
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: ways to connect. And my website is also just Tammy
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Vanwisa dot com.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you, tam Well, say goodbye fair but love your guts.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for introducing Tiff to Ross Edgeley
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: as well. Maybe I did that, but she's going to
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: be hard crushed and we'll talk again because you bo.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Thank you,