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#1736 'The Commando' - Steve Willis · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Good I groovers, welcome to another installment of View Project.
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  Speaker 1: Oh good a tiff, Hello Harps, how are you ill? Look?
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what, I'm so excited because the government,
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  Speaker 1: just the state government just announced that we're sliding into
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  Speaker 1: lockdown for seven days starting tonight, which is ten hours
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  Speaker 1: from now. It's just gone two o'clock in the thriving
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  Speaker 1: metropolis of Melbourne. And if there's one thing I love,
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  Speaker 1: it's not being able to go to the gym for
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  Speaker 1: seven days.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the only change for you. I thought the
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  Speaker 3: only change would be that you have to take your
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  Speaker 3: coffee home now and not sit at the Hampton's with it.
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  Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. Don't tell people where I have coffee.
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  Speaker 3: Seven am every morning, same seat, same seat.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do that on the right ah, your shitouse.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: The best thing about that is I haven't even had
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  Speaker 3: coffee with you there, but I know that's where you
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  Speaker 3: sit because you pretty.
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  Speaker 1: That is where I sit, because I like the best
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  Speaker 1: manage point. And if a bad guy's coming in, I
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  Speaker 1: need to sit where I can see everything the layer
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  Speaker 1: of the land. I need to make sure that I'm
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  Speaker 1: in a position where I can defend myself. It's all
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  Speaker 1: about that and you never ever have you back to
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  Speaker 1: the front door TIF. Just in case you didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of needing to defend yourself, you might today tell
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  Speaker 3: you what.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad Steve is wearing a long sleeve top and
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  Speaker 1: a puffer jacket because I feel if he was in
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  Speaker 1: a singlet I'd be even more insecure than I currently am,
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  Speaker 1: which is significant. Good day, mate, How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I'm wonderful. How are you both? It's so wonderful
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  Speaker 2: to sit here and just listen to some bands.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we do. We've both got a PhD In
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  Speaker 1: talking shit, so we don't like to take ourselves too seriously.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of I think there's enough
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  Speaker 1: seriousness going around. We need to intersperse it with a
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  Speaker 1: bit of bullshit. Mate. At times, we'll get to the
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  Speaker 1: serious stuff, but we don't want to get there too quickly.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, where do we find you today? Now?
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  Speaker 1: I know that you're sitting in a gym slash training
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  Speaker 1: area slash garage. Looks like the best equipped bloody garage
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  Speaker 1: gym in the world. What state are you in? And
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean drunk course.
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  Speaker 2: Over, I'm in New South Wales. So in the Hills
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  Speaker 2: area just outside Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: How long you been there?
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  Speaker 2: A year and a half. I was living closer into
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  Speaker 2: the city and had a few personal changes and found
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  Speaker 2: myself out this way.
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  Speaker 1: And how like is it rural?
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  Speaker 2: It is? Actually it's going through a massive development, Like
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  Speaker 2: Sydney is just houses on top of houses. So where
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  Speaker 2: I currently sit actually, you know, not so many years
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  Speaker 2: ago it was all farmland, right, and just the rate
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  Speaker 2: in which there they're putting buildings on it, houses, train stations,
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  Speaker 2: shopping centers, and ain't it it's it's developing quickly.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing these days?
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  Speaker 2: What am I doing on outdoors? Down to a kind
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  Speaker 2: of grassroots training? I guess a lot of you know
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  Speaker 2: what it is that that I did for many years
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  Speaker 2: in the military, that GPP type training general physical preparedness,
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  Speaker 2: but implementing I guess a bit more structure in the
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  Speaker 2: in the programming. So each morning we load up the
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  Speaker 2: full drive with a lot of the stuff in the
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  Speaker 2: gym here or in the garage and go and conduct
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  Speaker 2: it in a park, in a car park, you know,
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  Speaker 2: at a number of different locations, and we run five
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  Speaker 2: or so sessions today, five to seven sessions today seven days.
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  Speaker 1: Awak. Wow, do you have a team or is it
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  Speaker 1: just you or what's the deal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a small team of us and just
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  Speaker 2: working at the moment on kind of growing that. And
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  Speaker 2: essentially it was born out of necessity. COVID kind of
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  Speaker 2: funny talking about that before, and you know, we all
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  Speaker 2: went through the depths of it last year. All of
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  Speaker 2: the work that I was doing, which was very profile
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  Speaker 2: based and a lot of corporate work and being in
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  Speaker 2: front of large groups and kind of that showcase kind
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  Speaker 2: of way of being evaporated gone within a week. And
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  Speaker 2: a lot of that was just due to travel and
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  Speaker 2: marketing budgets and the like, just evaporating. And I found
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  Speaker 2: myself standing at a center link line and I thought
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  Speaker 2: this is pretty shit. And when they lifted the restrictions
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  Speaker 2: and we could start training some people again, you know,
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  Speaker 2: small groups, I was like, mate, I got some dumbbells
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  Speaker 2: and bumper plates. I thrown them in the back of
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  Speaker 2: the start training people outdoors because no one else was
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  Speaker 2: doing it. And we'd have ninety to one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty people through the doors on a Saturday and Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: and then people just wanted more of it, so we
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  Speaker 2: just started adding days to the point now where we
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  Speaker 2: deliver training every day.
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  Speaker 1: How many people do you get to a typical group?
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  Speaker 1: I know, that's like how long's a been a string
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  Speaker 1: because it varies, but Bullpark Bullpark.
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  Speaker 2: Ballpark is we'd say fifteen. Yeah, you know, that number
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  Speaker 2: will definitely fluctuate, but especially now as it's starting to
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  Speaker 2: get a bit cooler as well. You know, people get
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  Speaker 2: a little a little turned off by the cole barbels
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  Speaker 2: and the cooler weather and having to put too many
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  Speaker 2: layers on. But it's yeah, I love it. It's something
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  Speaker 2: I guess I've done my entire life kind of be
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  Speaker 2: immersed in nature and kind of heed the advice and
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  Speaker 2: strategize around how you best work with nature rather than
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  Speaker 2: you know, the sterile, kind of fabricated indoor environments. And
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to be learned from that
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  Speaker 2: immersion process and then the training that's delivered on top
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, everyone who listens to me knows that I'm
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  Speaker 1: a massive fan of stepping into discomfort and the benefits
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  Speaker 1: and value and growth and learning and evolution that happens
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of suffering and pain and discomfort, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm in strategic discomfort, not silly destructive. But it's funny
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  Speaker 1: how how many people want to work out, but they
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  Speaker 1: want to be comfortable. Like the whole point of working out,
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  Speaker 1: the whole fucking point of working out. I reckon creative, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and a physiological sorry dude, to create a physiological response
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  Speaker 1: to adapt, And it doesn't happen when you're fucking comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: This is the point, oh mate.
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  Speaker 2: We get in our air conditioned cars or our heated
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  Speaker 2: cars to drive to an environment that's that's constructed in
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  Speaker 2: a way to in our mind deadlift and pr in
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  Speaker 2: a way or run on a treadmill or do whatever
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  Speaker 2: when you can pull on some shoes hopefully it put
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  Speaker 2: some clothes on before that, and step out your front
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  Speaker 2: door and and you know, feel your boots like this.
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  Speaker 2: It just perplexes me. But do you know what a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it comes down to is education. It's it's
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  Speaker 2: as much as you know, the industry, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: with social media has grown to a particular point what
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  Speaker 2: we see on social media, isn't it. I believe a
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  Speaker 2: true representation of what happens on the ground day in
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  Speaker 2: day out, Like people may get social media look really
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  Speaker 2: sexy and pretty. But if you go and train with
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  Speaker 2: those people or you immerse yourself in, you know what
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  Speaker 2: it is that they're doing. Mate, it's faffing around.
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  Speaker 1: It's nonsense, yes, so much and so true. And the
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  Speaker 1: thing is that you know the thing that the thing
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  Speaker 1: that we the thing that we often void, which is
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  Speaker 1: and discomfort and inconvenience and all that shit. That is
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  Speaker 1: literally the stuff that makes us better. And I used
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  Speaker 1: to back in the day when you were fucking stix,
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  Speaker 1: I used to do when I started my PT right,
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  Speaker 1: I had a smallish PT studio. It was the only
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  Speaker 1: one in Australia. It was fifteen hundred square feet and
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  Speaker 1: I had about five or six trainers working with me
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  Speaker 1: and it was all one on one and two on one.
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  Speaker 1: But we used to do some groups. But we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: do groups indoors because we didn't have the space. So
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  Speaker 1: I used to do a Saturday morning group and it
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  Speaker 1: started with three ladies that I trained, and a few
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  Speaker 1: other ladies went as can we join the group? I went,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually it's actually a private three on one and
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  Speaker 1: the ladies went, well, we don't mind. So then it
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  Speaker 1: became a six, then a ten. Then I used to
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  Speaker 1: do every Saturday four years between. This is no bullshit,
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  Speaker 1: between thirty and one hundred people in this group. My
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  Speaker 1: gym was two hundred meters from the beach and when
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  Speaker 1: new people would come, they would say, oh, what happens
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  Speaker 1: when it's raining, and I'd say ask the group, and
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  Speaker 1: the group would go, we fucking train and your waterproof right,
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  Speaker 1: because that was my answer, your waterproof, we train you earlier. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like dude, But you know, here's the funny thing.
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  Speaker 1: I ran programs for years and I have zero military
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  Speaker 1: credibility or background. I'm just a fucking nuffy. But my
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  Speaker 1: program was called Commando training and before boot camps were things,
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  Speaker 1: and so I would train. The biggest group I trained
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  Speaker 1: was on an East of Friday morning and we gave
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  Speaker 1: all the money. I used to do East of Friday
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  Speaker 1: at seven am and we'd give the money to the
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  Speaker 1: Royal Children's Hospital appealed down here in Melbourne, and I
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  Speaker 1: did one hundred and thirty five people on the beach
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  Speaker 1: at once by myself with whistle right, and it was
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  Speaker 1: just fucking awesome. But the thing is when you've got
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  Speaker 1: all these people just smashing themselves in and out of
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  Speaker 1: the water, in the sand, up and downstairs, up and
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  Speaker 1: down like and they're stinking and they're sweaty, and then
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  Speaker 1: they're ass crackers full of sand and it's fucking shit house.
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  Speaker 1: But it's joyful, you know, And people have this such
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  Speaker 1: a sense of achievement from getting out of that sterile
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  Speaker 1: environment and doing something that is just somewhere between uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: and brutal. And it's awesome for us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like it reinforces, you know, a belief within
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  Speaker 2: ourselves and collectively, and you know, it's not a false confidence,
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  Speaker 2: whereas there's so much false confidence getting around nowadays. It's yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it involves a hand, a phone in your hand half
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  Speaker 2: the time, but it's the vibe as well. And that's
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  Speaker 2: that's something that I've been working hard on lately, is
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  Speaker 2: just trying to i guess, reiterate, you know, like initiate
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  Speaker 2: with the people that train with us. And it's it does.
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  Speaker 2: It's just showing up and getting started, like the uncomfortableness
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  Speaker 2: of it. But once once you get past that, like
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to leave.
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  Speaker 1: It's addictive, right, yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, and one thing that I've really i
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  Speaker 2: enjoy is again those small so you've got the larger
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  Speaker 2: group but breaking down into smaller teams. And I guess
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  Speaker 2: that's the beauty of technology and the type of equipment
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  Speaker 2: that's available nowadays, Like look at the concept to rollers
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  Speaker 2: and skis and things like that, and you can you
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  Speaker 2: can have a team going for max distance on something
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  Speaker 2: like that, and as they come off a piece of equipment,
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  Speaker 2: they've got a few other exercises to do and it's
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  Speaker 2: team first, team who can cover the most distance in
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  Speaker 2: forty five minutes or something like that, And you know
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  Speaker 2: they're going after it, not just for themselves, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: for the collective group. But that little bit of competition
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  Speaker 2: really helps to raise the bar and encourage people to
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  Speaker 2: give a little more than they may give if it's
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  Speaker 2: just for themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. And when you get you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you work when you're hurt, you know, working when
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  Speaker 1: you're hurting, you know, you become a different person, Like
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  Speaker 1: your mind changes, your threshold, changes, your perspective, you're thinking,
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  Speaker 1: your choices, your resilience, your physiology changes, Like you literally
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  Speaker 1: become a different version of yourself because you do the
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  Speaker 1: thing that most people avoid, you know, but The irony
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  Speaker 1: is if you said to most people, would you like
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  Speaker 1: to be mentally and physically and emotionally tougher and have
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  Speaker 1: more resilience and be fitter and stronger, And everyone says yes,
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  Speaker 1: but nobody wants to do what's required to produce that result, right.
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  Speaker 2: And that's and that's the action piece where it always
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  Speaker 2: falls over. But that's something that for years with corporates,
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  Speaker 2: I've dried to get across the line. They want you
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  Speaker 2: to come in and talk to them and stand in
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  Speaker 2: this this room that everyone's comfortable being in because they've
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  Speaker 2: been in there before, and sit in front of a
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  Speaker 2: whiteboard or you know, a present a presentation that gets
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  Speaker 2: stringed and you know they're all pumped up for forty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Forty five minutes they walk out of the room and
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  Speaker 2: started dump. It's all gone. And you know if you
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  Speaker 2: from time to time you get them. I've done stuff
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  Speaker 2: on the Gold Coast where they actually want me to
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  Speaker 2: run a boot camp session for one hundred people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on a Wednesday morning, and mind you, this is for
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  Speaker 2: like it conferences, and you get them on the beach
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  Speaker 2: and you know you'd break them into their teams. You
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  Speaker 2: give them a rope and a few sandbags and set
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  Speaker 2: like a bit of a mission, a mission profile, and
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  Speaker 2: give them an orders set and everything like that. So
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  Speaker 2: they've got all these they've got this process, this operating
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  Speaker 2: procedure to work from, and then those skills that we
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  Speaker 2: talk about, you know, trusting one another and teamwork and
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  Speaker 2: communication and listening. As you were saying before, when you're
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  Speaker 2: immersed in the in the middle of hurting, you know,
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  Speaker 2: how good are you at being able to just put
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  Speaker 2: a bit of space around what it is that you're
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  Speaker 2: doing and be considerate of one another. Blinkers come on
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  Speaker 2: for most people and they shut down and they internalize
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  Speaker 2: and they go to water.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also to be able to be in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of that and go, well, this sucks, but that's okay. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: this is temporary sucking.
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  Speaker 2: That's That's one of the things they take from the military,
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  Speaker 2: and the Americans are very big on it, is suffering silence,
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  Speaker 2: because it's like anything else, we all know that we're hurting,
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  Speaker 2: but once we start flapping our lips, we start to
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  Speaker 2: undermine ourselves, like, oh but that, and then the next person, ah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like and before you know, you're so distracted from
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  Speaker 2: the task at hand, and your arm, my elbow hurts,
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  Speaker 2: on my knee hurts. Shut up, man, just like keep going.
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  Speaker 2: It's like that's not going to get you through it.
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  Speaker 1: And you're wasting energy on bullshit, you know. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying injury is a bullshit, but when you're constantly
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  Speaker 1: finding something, always finding something to complain about, you're channeling
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  Speaker 1: your attention and your focus and your energy into something
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't produce a good result. And the moment that
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  Speaker 1: you start complaining to people, you want attention and sympathy,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And some things just suck. And sometimes, look,
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  Speaker 1: there's a time when we've got to pull up because
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  Speaker 1: that's what our body's really telling us. But sometimes you
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  Speaker 1: just got to do shit that's uncomfortable and painful because
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's where the growth happens. So and I
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  Speaker 1: also found it funny like when you're talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we go to the gym, We drive to the gym
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  Speaker 1: and our air condition heated car and get in an
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  Speaker 1: air conditioned gym, and we drive twenty minutes to get
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  Speaker 1: there and run on a piece of revolving rubber when
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  Speaker 1: you could just fucking run out your front door.
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  Speaker 2: I contemplated all of this stuff when I like, I
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  Speaker 2: do it all the time, but especially when I was
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  Speaker 2: on Survivor. I was starving because they didn't give us
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  Speaker 2: freaking anything. And then a fifty kilo woman wants to
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  Speaker 2: eat the same amount of food as me, you know,
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  Speaker 2: niny kilo, while I was about nine a kilos after
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  Speaker 2: losing seven or so on the on the you know,
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  Speaker 2: through the through the weeks, there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: rice and a handful of beans if we didn't burn
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  Speaker 2: the ship out of them. And and and you're contemplating,
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  Speaker 2: you know, all of that. You're thinking about morale and
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  Speaker 2: being able to sustain life and have a shelter and
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  Speaker 2: fire and and I'm thinking to myself, I've spent all
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  Speaker 2: these years building this identity to be the person that
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  Speaker 2: I am, and I'm sitting on this island in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of nowhere doing a TV show. Yes, I put
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  Speaker 2: myself there, but I have no real inclination or to
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  Speaker 2: want to train. It becomes about survival and smart about
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  Speaker 2: what it is that I'm doing. You know, I need
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  Speaker 2: energy to collect firewood so that I don't freeze my
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  Speaker 2: ass off, you know, to go and gather and find
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  Speaker 2: some food if I like, and conserve energy for the challenges.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not thinking of that just for myself, but
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  Speaker 2: also for the team. And then I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when I go home, do I really what what do
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  Speaker 2: I need? You know, like, really, I have I just
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  Speaker 2: been bullshiting myself my whole life about you know, what
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  Speaker 2: it is that I've been kind of doing and the
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  Speaker 2: game that I've been playing. And I made a little
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  Speaker 2: commitment to myself when I got home to to just
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  Speaker 2: run daily, you know, regardless of where my head was at,
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  Speaker 2: pull those runners on and go for at least thirty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, over time, with that consistency and commitment,
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  Speaker 2: you find yourself doing more and more. And then Mattie
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  Speaker 2: Rodgers actually got me involved in a in a triathlon
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  Speaker 2: and I ended up doing a an iron Man distance triathlone.
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  Speaker 2: So I ran my first marathon, you know, off the
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  Speaker 2: back of swimming near four k and cycling one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and eighty. But again a life living that way and
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  Speaker 2: having that mentality off the back of that, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: take much. You just change the bearing on the compass
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  Speaker 2: just a little bit and you go after it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because you've got that foundation. You've got that capability. You've
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  Speaker 2: just got to, I guess, learn the ropes of the
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  Speaker 2: specificity of what it is that you're going after. It's
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  Speaker 2: not that I was going to break any eight hour
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  Speaker 2: record and be up there with the pros, but just
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: finishing something like that is a bloody challenge in itself.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Well, what's your weight at the moment, give or take
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: ninety six? Yeah, you're definitely not fucking built for marathons
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and I was.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Ninety I was ninety one and a half ninety two
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: kilos when I did that.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: You're still about thirty kilos heavier than the elite guys. Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you're a fucking monster. You're
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: like a superhero competed. I mean, those guys are amazing
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and those girls are amazing. But yeah, you're a big
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: unit that's definitely not built for ultra endurance. But that's
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: a bloody great achievement, mate.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: But that's a life of doing that. That's the military.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: You know. We we were encouraged and it was expected
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: of us to be able to get to the fight,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: so we had to have what it takes. But then,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: you know, have enough left in the tank to fight
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the fight, and.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I reckon the objective with a lot of this stuff
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: is really how uncomfortable can you get and be and
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: perform in the middle of that? And how well can
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you be the calm the chaos and how well can
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: you keep your shit together when everyone else doesn't?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And that's I've looked at. You know, you hear the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: words strength thrown around a lot. Strength can manifest itself
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: in so many different ways. It's like, you know, we
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: could talk about love all day and you know the
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: different I guess the essences of it. And but strength
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: than to be able to exude strength, you have to
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: be calm, period. You have to be able to send
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: yourself in and amongst all of that chaos and calm
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: the mind and the thought process and the emotions that
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: come of that, and use you're smarts about how you're
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: going to apply it. Now, I'm not talking and everyone's
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: going to pull four hundred kilos off the floor in
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: a dead lift. But you know, it's relative to the conditions,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the environment and the task in hand.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And I think when you do discomfort in inverted commas,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you do one with one task or one activity or
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: one discipline. When you work against that resistance of pain
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and suffering and discomfort, whether it's physical, mental, emotional, it
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: crosses over to other things because when you so you
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: went you went in the jungle on Survivor or you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and you were there for a period of time and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it sucks and there's no food and it's fucking cold,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and there's no you know, there's no anything, and it
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: literally is about survival and you are just trying to
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: get through this and not waste energy and not make
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: stupid decisions and not lose your shit and be value
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to the team. And then you go through that and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: then you come home and go, ah, maybe I've been
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: doing life or part of life wrong. You know. Sometimes
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: it's these moments where we do something like so many
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: times over the years I've trained someone who had never
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: really done anything physically and they went from you know,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: lounges lizard to I ran a half, you know, I
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: ran twenty one cased and then they're like the next thing,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: they're opening a business and they're fucking enrolling in UNI
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and then they're doing all this awesome shit because now
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: not because of the running, but because of the way
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: that their mind and their emotional system and their confidence
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: changed in the middle of doing something hard.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I couldn't agree with you anymore. It's it just
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: helps us to believe in ourselves and who we are.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And I think we're so constrained by by the status
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: quo and who we think we should be, and we
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: all want to belong. What's the same? You know? Babies
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: babies for attention, Babies cry for it and the rest
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: of us die for it. And you know we were
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: rather we will do crazy, stupid things for attention, you know,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: even you know, mistaking a few breaths, you know, which
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: is vital. It's listening just then thinking of my brother
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: who he works for Garment and he's probably he's an
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: absolute beast. You know, everyone knows that, David Goggins and
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: just some of the crazy ship that he does. You know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: my brother is an Australian version of a Forrest Gump. Wow,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: like just the other week, you know. Well, anyway, it
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: all started. He was working in the minds and rather
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: than being a p said like most people who work
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: in the mines, you know, because it's just mundane, he
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: just started running. And I was working with Garment at
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the time, back in twenty sixteen, and he came on
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: a trip with us and then he said to the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: guy Garment, put a post up and for every like
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you get, I'll run a kilometer. Anyway, Garman got a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: bit nervous and they stopped. They stopped the likes that
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and pulled the post down at a thousand. So he
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: ran a thousand k's in a month back in twenty sixteen.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: They documented it, and you know plenty of people do that.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: But he was working a nine to five job replacing
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: suspension in semi trailers and he pushed his daughter a
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: normal pram that you walked the streets with, not a
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: running prem for nearly six hundred ks of that. And then,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and I should see some of the video footage of
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: just how cripple he was. He'd run three times a day.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: He had to run thirty three point three k's a
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: day to make it every day for a month. Anyway.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Not so long ago, he was training for an event
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: call I think it's Last Man Standing. And the Australian
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: record is every seven, every hour on the hour, you
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: run seven kilometers until you can't run anymore. In the
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Australian records about forty hours forty two hours anyway, he
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: in preparation for that, he started on a Sunday morning
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: at six am and ran for twenty four hours on
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: his own around the streets of his home with no support,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: no one there cheering him. On seven k's every hour
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: on the hour, you know, justice and so that's on
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: rounde hundred and sixty k's. But just and he goes, mate,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I was falling asleep on my feet, the hallucinations I
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: was having, like it was just he said it was
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: a trip, just some of the stuff that was happening
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: to him. And you know, it's one thing to be
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: in an in an event where you know you're competing
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: against other people. And as we were saying earlier, dig
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: a little deeper you find that that that next year,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: that that extra mile. But I don't know what makes
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: that bloke tick. And you know, he's my brother, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: he just it blows me away what he what he achieves.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: And he's got this big ass bid like Forrest Gump
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: and long hair.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: It's just what's his first name, what's his first name.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Andrew, But he goes by Drew Willis or he's better
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: known as the garment man.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Drew.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if anyone's in that type of stuff, he's the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: most softly spoken, barely says anything kind of guy. But
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't put yourself up against him and that type
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: of stuff, you know. And he's not a small guy.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: He's an eighty five kilo guy and he plays six
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: in that event. He had to pull out because he
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: had to work at Camping Caravan Canning Caravan Expo on Monday.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: That's buddy.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. There's amazing people out there who don't
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: do it for the accolades of anybody else. They just
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: do it to test themselves.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: And it's amazing what people discover about themselves when they
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: really really genuinely have a crack or when you know
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: what else is amazing. And I've spoken about this abnauseum
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: on this show. Is like when when shit goes sideways
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: in someone's life and there's a catastrophe or there's something
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: fucking terrible that happens, how adaptable and capable and amazing
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: people can be in the middle of a catastrophe or
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: after a catastrophe in terms of you know, what they
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: can do if they have to do it?
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we rise to the occasion, and I think again,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of the language and how how we view
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: ourselves in this current era of humanity, it's undermining. Yeah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: like because as you just said, you know, like yeah,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: like some of the events that like look in christ
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Church when I had those those earthquakes a few years ago,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and how quickly they all pulled together and got themselves
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: through what was happening. You know, and time and time again,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: when nature just gives a swift kick in the ass,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you know, we band together and we find a solution.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: We come up with ways to get through it. You know,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: look at COVID, even not so long ago, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: half an hour down the road from us here, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: we had the floods. You know, the water water levels
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: raised by twelve meters. Fuck like that's you know, people's
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: homes got washed away, and you know, and just before
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: COVID we had the fires. You know, people are still
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: dealing with the consequences and the aftermath of all of that,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: you know, with everything else that's gone on.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Wow, So I want to jump around a little bit. Yeah,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to. I don't not if this sounds bad,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I hate I don't you you'd probably be happy I'm
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: not that interested in the biggest loser, but people will
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: want me to ask a fucking question or two. He
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: didn't ask him about the biggest loser. Tell me one
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: good thing and one thing that kind of not so
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: good thing, whatever it is out of the biggest loser,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: or maybe there's no bad things, but something you enjoyed
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and something that you look back and go, I'm not
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: sure about that.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: From where we are nowadays, in our understanding around you know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: obesity and weight issues and the like, we know it's
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of it's mental health. Yeah, it's the perception
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: of self and use food and whatever else is it
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: means to soothe and to cope. Yeah, we didn't know
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: about all that well, you know five years ago, ten
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: years ago, and it was all very people were like
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: that because they lacked you know, whatever it might have been,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: and they were full of excuses and they were just lazy.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: You know, everything was based in laziness, and they're pathetic
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: and apathet and all of this stuff and which you
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: know isn't isn't so true? Like, there's a lot of
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: trauma that happens for people at very early ages. And
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: again it's education, it's it's understanding. And when the framework
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and the foundation isn't set when they're young, they don't
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: know any different, and then they find themselves on a
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: television show because they put their hand up and said
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I need to turn my life around, and they ended
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: up on my team especially. I felt sorry for them
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: half the time, but I very much when I went
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: into it at the start, had this line, you're either
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: in or you're out. There's there's no middle ground, like
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: you know, you got to you got to live up
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: to the expectation. But that's how it was for me
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: for many years in the army and my job I
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: took very seriously. I loved it, and it was all
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: about building rapport and relationshi and ships because you wanted
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: people to define that that intrinsic drive to do it
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: for themselves, you know, not me just bark some orders
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and pointed finger and when I turn my back they
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: go and screw you. I'm not doing this any longer.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Because those tools they then put into their little bag
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: when they leave the biggest lose and it's in the
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: rear vision mirror and they can implement them, you know,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: into their lives moving forward, you know, forever and you
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: know some of the transformation stories and you know people
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that have that have done amazing things this day, and
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: it helped them immensely. But then there's others that they
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: just they needed far more help than what the show
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: could deliver. And a lot of that was was coming
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to terms with with things in their lives. That yeah,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of the traumas and the upset that they
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: carried and those burdens and just how food and how
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: readily available it is, they just they can't deal with it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I was banging on when I owned four gyms down here,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: and I spent my life talking to people about the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: psychology of eating and the psychology of getting in shape.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And even though my first degree is exercise science, so
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: i'm you know, I would you know, that's my area
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: of real expertise. But I figured out quite young that
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: getting in shape was whatever getting in shape means. That's
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: a very sweeping kind of blanket kind of description and statement.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: But I realized that helping people change their body was
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: largely not about their body, and especially when it came
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to food. You know, because we don't accidentally eat cake,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: we don't accidentally eat three pies, we don't accidentally have
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: fucking five beers and go shit out it like this.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: This is all choices and byproducts. And you're right, you know,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: just saying to someone, hey, fucking eat less and jog
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: more and have more fucking self control. That's not the answer.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And I've written a bunch of books. But the first
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: book I wrote was nearly twenty years ago, mate, and interestingly,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to my knowledge anyway, when no one was talking about
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the psychology of food and getting in shape, I wrote
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: a book terrible fucking name, but I think it was
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: a good conversation. The book's called Fatitude, which was basically
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: a book about the psychology behind the physiology. Yeah, and
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: it's almost like, the body's not the problem. The body
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: is the consequence. The body's the symptom. What's the problem
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: is between my ears and I'm the same, mate, like
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: i've my audience. No, I'm a fucking idiot with food,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: like I've been. I was the fattest kid in my
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: school and it took me until I was probably mid thirties,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: which was twenty years ago for me. And I owned
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: gyms and I was writing for the Herald Sun and
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I was doing all this cool shit. But I still
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: had my own brullshit with food. And it took me
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: three and a half decades to be able to manage
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: my mind to manage my body. And I think people
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: really don't understand what a huge role managing our emotions
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and our mind and choices and behaviors and you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: thinking in general, what a huge role it plays, because
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: we're so obsessed with the body that we actually missed
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the cause.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: But that's but that's humanity in and of itself. We're
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: so fixated on the materialism and the form of everything,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: we miss we miss everything else. Now, the Japanese have
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: a word for everything else, and it's called marm. It's
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the space, the interval, or the gap between. And yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: as you said, so the physiology and how it presents
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: itself is exactly you know, what's going on, you know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: infernally andor it this morning when I took a group
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: for training, and as we were talking earlier, people banging
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: on about injuries and I can't do this and I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: can't do that, and we're sitting down and I got
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: them to do like a simple like seated splits position
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and to bend to one side to stretch out through
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the ql and mate. People couldn't even sit on the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: floor with their leaks like they had them sitting on
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: like a yoga mat or an exercise mat. Some people
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: could barely get their feet wider than the with the mat.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And they're so posteriorly or you know, the hip so
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: possibly rotated. They're going into this caiphotic position with the hip.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And then and then you know, you're asking them to lunch,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you're asking them to squat, you know, do all this
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: other stuff. They're so their reductors are so bound up
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and tight, and then it's affecting all of that as
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: external rotators and up into their back. It's and again
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: it's it's what's going on in here here. It's what
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: they then deem and think is most important. And we
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: chase the form, we chase the output because humanity says, well,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: anything that you want is found in intensity and going hard. Well,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: you know we know that that to be true to
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: a degree, but you've got to be smart about how
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: you do it. You know, efficiency of movement, efficacy of movement,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: you know, and otherwise it's not trying to drive your
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: car with a bloody handbrake on, like you know, you're.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Just so trying to use fast and also on top
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of that, like look at us three right now, where
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the sit down generation, right, There's never been a generation
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: of fucking humans ever in the whole timeline of humanity
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: who sit as much as we do. So we're in
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: constant hip flexion, and quite often with this forward head position,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: so our heads forward over our center of gravity, our
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: shoulders are forward and slumpy, like Tiff, who looks like
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: a fucking question mark over there, get your shoulders back
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: to boxing. And but yeah, so this forward shoulder position,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: this Chai fatic back, this forward head position, you know,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: this constant hip flesh. And so our hip flexes get tight,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: our glutes get weak and stretched, and then we stand
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: up and just fucking standing up straight is a struggle
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: for some people. Yeah, but you know it's our lifestyle.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like we're just hearing you say with Tiff,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: and I guess the specificity of a given sport. With boxing,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: it asks of you to hold your body in certain
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: positions and not be so square, you know, because you
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: to avoid being hit. It's easy to hit a freaking
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: big target. And I look back to my military time,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm six two, you know, and you
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: know I'm a bigish guy, but what what was required
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: of us, you know, was with a lot of the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: drills that we did, we had a weapon system. So
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: we're kind of in that position and wear crouchs all
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the time. When I was leaving the army and I
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: was introduced a crossbit, you know, and they're talking about
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: overhead squats and snatch and all that stuff. Mate, I've
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: thought my shoulders were going to get torn off and
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: my wrists and like I'd try and front squat and
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I'd almost cry because the pain that I'd get in
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: my risk is my shoulders were just frozen in this position.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: And then my elbow extension from carrying a damn machine
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: gun for years, like bent like that, like it just
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: it's all that muscle memory again and then the calcification
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: in the joint. And but again, I've just never been
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: one to to allow others to define who I am.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, doctors say, but don't do this,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: and don't like men. You know, I'm human, I'm organic.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm going to give it a damn red
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: hot go to, you know, to improve my mobility. And
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: you know, the things I can do now at near
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: on forty five that I wasn't capable of doing when
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I was twenty five.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you, dude. How long were you in
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: the military.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: So I joined when I was eighteen and I left
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: just before I was thirty, So yeah, it was around
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: that ten year mart. Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: What was the best part.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: The best part, Gosh, there was lots of it, but
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: it was the camaraderie. It was the matship and doing
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: hardship with your mates, Like doing some real scary, funky
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: like like almost out of body experience stuff. You know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: like sliding down the rope of a helicopter and a
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: high rise building, you know, where it's just you and
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: your hands holding one and you've got thirty kilos a year,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: you know, just jumping out of aircraft with your boats
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and landing you know way out in the ocean where
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: you can't even see land doing parachuting at night, sliding
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: down lift you know, steel cables twenty stories, you know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: just stuff, doing shooting, shooting in rooms you know where
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: you're standing close to targets, and the trust and that
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: you have in your teammates too, you know, engaging, you know,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: friend from foe and hostage terrorist type situations. It's just,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: you know, the level and degree of training. It's hard
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to kind of articulate because most people's references to stuff
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: like that are movies.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's guys that do this stuff day
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: and day out, and and and they've deployed those skills,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: you know, for real, you know, in countries far away.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's full on and that that you know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: what you do a lot of, whether or not that
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: set a lot, or carry a machine and a lot,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: or eat donuts a lot or whatever. That behavior is
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: that you do a lot of, that becomes your default setting.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: That becomes your programming, That becomes your whether or not
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: it's good or bad. That becomes your blueprint. I wanted
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: to ask you a little bit about like.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've only known you for forty five minutes.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: We could have been brothers. I could have been your
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: older brother, I feel like to me, yeah, mate, Well,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: the funny thing is I always have my head shaved.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I've had it shaved for thirty years and this is
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the first time I've grown it in ever. Because people
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: thought I was bald. I'm like, no, motherfuckers, I just
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: shaved that shit. It grows like fucking bamboo up there.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: So to me, you seem like a contrarian, And by
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: that I mean, and tell me how wrong or right
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I am. Contrarian in that you like, you're full on
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: with what you do. You discipline, you're in control, You've
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: got your shit together. You you have pretty clearly defined
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: boundaries about who you are and what you're doing, what's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: okay and what's not okay. And you you're obviously because
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: of your background with TV except you're comfortable doing this.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: But to me, you don't seem like a natural extrovert.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: You seem you seem more like an introvert that has
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: just been developed the skill to be able to do
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: this stuff. You're not an introvert shy like you seem
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: like to me a naturally more quiet, reserved, just get
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: shit done kind of person. And then beat my chest,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: look at me.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent, like I think, yeah, and upbringing
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: and just I think inherently being that way, like my constitution.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: But that's that's the mentality and the military as well.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: You know, you you might talk a little, and you
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: know your plan and you have your orders groups and
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the like, and then you just you put it to practice.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: You go out and it's all about the action piece.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: And that's you know, where you take the theory and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: you put it into practice, and half the time you
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: prove that those theories just are a load of shit.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: And the reality of it is you've got to be
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: You've got to have a lot of lateral thinking and
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: be able to come up with contingency plans a lot
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: of the time. But I've always been that way, and
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I've that's why I find the social media side of
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: things and kind of you know, the current era quite
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: difficult to to play in that space in that game
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: because I would rather you know, show my worth and
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: you know, my capability in the middle of a workout
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: or doing something hard or being of service you know,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to my family or to my friends or you know,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: to people in need. And that's I think that speaks volumes.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And I guess I was quite fortunate when I left
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the military and the biggest loser opportunity presented at skull self.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: It scared the absolute shit out of me, but I
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: saw the opportunity and I was like, yeah, I'm going
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: to give it a crack. And I thought, if I fail,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I'll just go back to the army. But that immersion
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: process and that constant butterflies and feeling sick in my
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: guts want the puke every time I was going to
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: go on camera. The more you immerse yourself in it,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: like everything we've been talking about, you start to learn
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the ropes. You start to gain an understanding and some
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: insights and how to work around things. And I found
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I've just got a lot better at talking because I
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: was around people who could talk, and other than that,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: i'd still be like my nine year old son who
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: says very little, Well, you.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Get conditioned to whatever you do. You know, you become,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: you know, you become who you're around and what you're
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: doing to an extent in that you know. You sorry
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to repeat all these metaphors everybody, but I always say,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: whatever you start as you start as a white belt,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: whether or not that's martial arts or TV or academia
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: or building a business or you know, we start as
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: a white belt, and then we train and we fall down,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: we get up, and we learn shit, and we progress
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: and develop skill and resilience and awareness and competence, you know,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and then you just get So you go from being
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: shipped in front of camera, not many skills, not much awareness,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: and lots of nerves. And then over time you become
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: confident and skillful and the physiological response tones down and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: you're the same person, but now you've got a different
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: relationship with that thing, with the camera, with that exposure.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'd related to exercise all the time, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: it's you know, like like learning complex skills, you've got
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: to You've got to hone the basics first because otherwise,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you know, all that complexity, what does it base itself in?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: You know, what are you working from? And yeah, they
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: actually those everything that you just spoke about have being
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: some of the biggest struggles that I've had in my
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: life is that that outward yeah, persona of who I am,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: and then also playing a role as well and living
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: up to the expectation of what that character was. And
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: over time I just learned, really people just want you
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: to be who you are, and and you don't need
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: to be this one dimensional human being like people. People
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: like to see the many facets of what makes another
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: person tick. And you can be soft and gentle and
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: loving and calm and at the same time an absolute weapon.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: And I think when you have you're conscious and aware
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: of when to turn it on and not. You actually
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: go through life with more rhythm and you can move
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: with it. You're not you're not resistant because you're trying
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: to be something that you're not at times when you
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: don't need to be it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: That's that's so insightful. That's you. I don't know what
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I expected, but I didn't expect you. That didn't I
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: didn't have low expectations. I try not to owe think it,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: but you're very philosophical and insightful. I like it. And also,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: you know, there's this thing that, as you said, persona.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: It's a really good word because I think with a
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: lot of people and me included at times, so all
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: of us probably at times, there's the persona and then
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: there's the person you know, and quite often the persona
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: is the role we play or the character or public
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: me or TV me, or me at the gym, you know,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: when I was running my shit and people are everywhere,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: and I step out on the floor and it's fucking.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Wah wah wah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: And there's I'm still me. But there's a fair bit
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of role playing in that. And when you step away
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: from that being the commando and you're just Steve, just
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: the fucking bloke who's a bit complicated and a bit
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: brilliant and good and bad days and gets fucked off
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: and inspires people all in the same hour, right, because
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: you're just a fucking dude. You're not really special. None
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of us are special, right, You're just a bloke. Yeah,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean, No one's fucking special.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Or there's seven point eight billion of us that we're
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: not that fucking unique.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: But collectively we are. But that's the we don't work
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: together enough. You know. Bruce Lipton, one of the best
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: biologists in the world, talks to that piece. You know,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: everyone bangs on nowadays there's too many humans, you know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: it's that's the problem with the world. Well, actually, humanity
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: and the world are two different things. Humanity is the
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: issue with the world, and the world is actually going
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: to it's working its magic and sorting us out. But
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Bruce Lipton said, you know, talk to the piece where
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: you know there's what seven point however many billion people
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: just to make one human body, there's like seventy trillion cells, yes,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you know, and and they need to work reasonably harmonious
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: or harmoniously for us to function and be a human.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: And you know, we we have the capability. We just
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: we've got to get over this archaic way of thinking
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: and actually use our intelligence. But we you know, our
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: state of being in this mindset, and a lot of
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: it too, is the ego and the emotions that are
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: born of the ego. A lot of anger and aggression
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and resentment and jealousy and all this other type of
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: stuff constantly pulls us down and it undermines us.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: In terms of your life. Now you've got to go soon,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: when you've got to go five or ten. I'm all right,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm fucking loving it. I'm loving it. I okay.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: So for me, so I'm going to start. So for me,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: my issues are numerous. But in terms of me managing me,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: it's always been, you go, bit of bullshit, a bit
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: of self doubt, yeah, self loathing yep, a bit of overthinking,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit of self sabotage. Like beautiful cocktail of
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: emotions and behavior there right, and and like feeling shit
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: but kind of knowing well, I'm not shit, but feeling
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: shit at times. I've always had to bring myself fucking
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: keep myself aligned because I can shoot myself in the
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: foot or I can. You know, I always say to people,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: nobody's a harsher critic of me than me, So do
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: your best right? What about you? How do you self manage?
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: How do you keep yourself mentally, emotionally, practically where you
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: need to be to be your best person or your
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: best self and to live your best life. Do you
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: have any rituals or do you have any?
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: You read a lot?
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Do you meditate? To you listener? Fucking Joe Rogan ninetiek
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: so I.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Growing up, I didn't think much of myself. Grew up
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: with a stepfather who was just a hard ass. He
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: used anger was his go to emotion with everything, and
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: so I grew up as a young boy. You're seeking
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: ex acceptance, you know, from you know, the parent kind
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: of age group and my peers because I didn't get
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of that nurturing and that love. Like it
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: was it was hardline and discipline. The military kind of
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: brought more of that, and I didn't like myself at all.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: And in my early to mid teens, I just started
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: using exercise as a means to beat the freaking, absolute
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: crap out of myself. You know, rather than alcohol or drugs.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I went to exercise. I'd get up early in the
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: morning and go for runs and try and kill myself
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: like like I would try and hurt myself like that,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: like with exercise. My I used to ride a pushbike
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: and do paper runs every day and and the like,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: and that that was a very tumultuous relationship with exercise.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: But the thing with exercise, you know, this whole talk,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: is it's freaking hard, and to sustain it you've got
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: to keep answering your why otherwise and many people can't though,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: And for me, even in my military years, I still
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: did my own training on top of it. So when
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: I made the decision to leave the Army, I knew
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: what I wanted to do because it had had such
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: a profound effect on my life and helped me kind
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: of forge and carve a particular path. And I thought, well,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: the things that I've learned to that point in time
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: and from the Army, I can put that to good
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: use and help others. And then the profile came and
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I found that very hard to deal with. But then
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I would talk to people and say, you know, what
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: do I do? And they would just say, if someone
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: approaches you and has something nice to say and congratulate
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, job well done. Just say thank you, like,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: actually give them enough space and listen enough for them,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: regardless of what it is that they have to say,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: because that's their opinion, that's their perspective, and you may
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: have had a profound effect on their life from a
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: few words that you said. If they want to say something,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: just let them say it, and then just say thank you.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: And I was like, man, how easy can it be?
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: But you get all hung up on this stuff. And
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: then and then in when I was thirty three in
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, I competed in the CrossFit Games
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: in America and I finished fourth. I'm still the highest
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: ranked Aussie to finish at the Crossfeit Games. James hug
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: and Adelaide finished fifth last year behind me, so he's
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: getting close. But you know, not many people know about that,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: you know, and that was the early days of CrossFit.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: And that's an amazing outcome, Like I know what that means.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: And then guy yeah, and guy said to me, who
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: served with me? And it was special Forces in the
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Army And they're like, what's the difference between what we
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: did in the Army and what you did in CrossFit
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: and in the army, it's about being the gray man.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: It's about just getting the job done. It's an endurance
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: race crossfits just it's brutal, it's all out. You're trying
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: to win. And I just drawed myself in the pro
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: assess And for about a year after that, I didn't
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: want to even think of exercise like I just it
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: made me want to be sick. But my relationship after
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: that with myself and what I put myself through for
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: all those years was I can't keep working through and
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: operating from the thought processes and the emotions that I
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: elicit to get the job done, because a lot of
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: it was, as you were saying earlier, self loathing. There
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: was a lot of aggression. There was a lot of
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: turning things back in on myself and using that as
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: a fuel to get it. But it's very destructive. But
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: through through that immersion again and the experience, I started
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: to read a lot more. I started to, you know,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I guess have my mind and eyes open to many
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: different facets and ways of being. And again just rewinding
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: to when I was young, I didn't know how to
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: express myself, so I used physical action to express myself,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: and then I realized reading a lot of philosophy and
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: then kind of into the Buddhism side of things and
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Zen Buddhism and teaching myself how to be still, to
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: just sit and be and come home to myself and
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: build a relationship with my mind and my body and
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: the essence of who I am. So nowadays I can
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: get really fidgety and up tight and upset about things,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: and I can go and do a workout, but at
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: the same time, I can be in that same place
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: and I can go sit quietly out the back, or
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: even come into the carriage and turn the lights off
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: and sit here with my legs quiet although as my
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: leg's quite my legs cross quietly, and I might want
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: to jump out of my skin. But after about fifteen
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: minutes of just sitting with myself and just following my breathing,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: everything just comes just kind of evaporates, and a lot
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: of that those very strong, powerful emotions subside. And this
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: is the other thing that I've learned is the Western
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: mind teaches resistance, trying to push away a lot and
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: to resist and having something to actually resist when there
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be and emotional intelligence is actually recognizing
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: an emotion coming up because it's been triggered from something,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: and not trying to resist that emotion, but calming that emotion,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: like your anger, like I don't need you right now,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Everything's okay, I've got this, And then you calm that
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: and you make space and room to engage with other
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: emotions that are more uplifting for you and they're more
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: beneficial to maybe what it is that you're trying to
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: get done.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Listen to you, dude. You like the Deli lama with
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: fucking big shoulders.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Like I couldn't meditate for five minutes when I first
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: started sitting at it, like and the aches in my
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: knees and just the discomfort and pain, And then I
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: think I've in me. I've got a bit of a
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: bit of OCD with stuff if I forget, if I
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: fixed my mind on something like I'm like a pitbull
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: that's been let off the leash. Yeah, I'm not going
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: to be I'm not to be distracted by what's left
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: and right. I'm going after it. And some of the
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: stuff I read, especially in Zen Buddhism, about how disciplined
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  Speaker 2: they are and the expectation. I was like, mate, I
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  Speaker 2: might not be in Japan or in a zen, in
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  Speaker 2: a Buddhist monastery of the like, well I can damn
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  Speaker 2: or practice it in the confines of my own home.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what I've learned about myself, and I
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: think getting to know yourself better, you know humanity better,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: and and and a lot of the time, half the
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: stuff that you know irritates this and upsets this doesn't
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  Speaker 2: need to be we just just put some spate, just
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  Speaker 2: let it go and just observe, because a lot of it, too,
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  Speaker 2: is we're just carrying on like five year olds. It's no,
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  Speaker 2: we're just in in bigger bodies. Like I watched my
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: five year old son carry on. I think, oh, there
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  Speaker 2: you go, Steve. You know sometimes you act like that
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  Speaker 2: and you're in your forties, you're big kid. But and
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: then and then you smile because as you said at
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: the start of this, you know, we do we take
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: ship too seriously a lot of the time, and we
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: beat ourselves up when really we could just smile and
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: go there you go. You just you're just being a
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: goose again, just you know, wind it in and and
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: just calm things down.
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  Speaker 1: It's so interesting to hear the contrast between the highly
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: trained Special Forces soldier, which is all you know, switched on,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: ready to go, ready to go like be prepared, sympathetic,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: nervous system, fight or flight, blah blah, but also parasympathy
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  Speaker 1: being the calm in the chaos, through to the kind
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: of the Eastern philosophical journey as well, you know, being
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  Speaker 1: the equanimity, you know, the calm in the chaos, and
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  Speaker 1: being where you become. You don't You're not the thought anymore.
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  Speaker 1: You're not in the thought. You're actually outside the thought.
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  Speaker 1: You're the observer of your thinking where there's that disconnect
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  Speaker 1: between me and my thought. It's not the same anymore.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Oh fuck, where did that thought come from? That's bullshit
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  Speaker 1: and being able to you know, and you go, well,
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  Speaker 1: if it's not my mind recognizing that thing that's coming
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  Speaker 1: from my mind, what is it? Who the fuck or
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is the observer? Because it's also it's
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: not my body. Oh hang on. If I'm not my
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: body and not my mind and not my thoughts and
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: not my emotions, I fucking love that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wrote about that in two thousand and nine
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  Speaker 2: in the book No Excuses When I was training and
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  Speaker 2: training up for the cross with games and the like,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: and pushing myself to the point of having out of
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: body experiences and like I used to, but I can
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  Speaker 2: do that again now. You know, meditating, and you talk
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  Speaker 2: to many people who are very practiced in those ways
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  Speaker 2: of being, and they do they go into different states
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: of reality and and things become altered. And it's much
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: like you know, even sleeping, like the states of sleep
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  Speaker 2: and remembering dreams and not and the like, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: was I awake, was I sleep like? It's it's that
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  Speaker 2: trying to distinguish, and I think sometimes we get a
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: bit hung up on it, but the mind tries to
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  Speaker 2: grasp as well and understand when really it's just just
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: be happy with a certain observation or awareness that it is,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: and don't try and make anything more of it. But
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: that's what where I'm at now too. With working out,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: like in that chaos of squad pressed with a barbell
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: or running my guts out, I can I can just
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: find myself quite centered and calm, and there's this buffer,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: and I can observe how the mind starts to trying
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: to attach itself to certain pain triggers that are going on,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: and if you do, you go down this rabbit hole
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: and you find yourself stopping when really, if you can
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: bring it back to your breathing, bring it back to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: some fundamentals of like, all right, so what's the exercise
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: that I'm doing and what what what techniques do I
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: need to employ to ensure that I'm moving efficiently with
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: those movements? And I bring it back to that and
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: I just find I can just keep going rep after
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: rep and it's and even now with I might not
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: be as strong in the sense of, you know, one
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: r M type work that I've been able to do
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: over my years, but capacity wise and across a variety
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: of skill sets, I'm a much better athlete, you know,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: human being that I'll ever be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the thing is with fitness. I mean there's
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: cognitive fitness, emotional fitness, you know, physiological fitness, of course,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: and even if we just look at the physical their
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: strength and power and speed and muscular endurance and aerobic
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: endurance and reaction time and spatial awareness, there's all that shit, right,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, being able to bench press whatever
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: or deadlift whatever or clean whatever is good, but not
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: if you can't run five hundred yards, you know, or
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: not if you can't do a chin up because you
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: weight one hundred and thirty kilos, or because you can't
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: fucking touch your knees because you lower backs fucked and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: you've got the flexibility of a fucking cricket bat.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: So it is so interesting mate, to hear you talk
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  Speaker 1: about all of that, and also, you know, to open
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: that door beyond you know, the identity thing and the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: reality thing. It's like you were talking about the dream.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing, right, Your body doesn't know
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: what's as in practically literally happening. It doesn't know the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: difference between that and the dream because your body, you know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: if you're dreaming that you're being chased by the saber
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: tooth tiger, and in that dream you're there and you're
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: present and you believe that, then so does your body.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden we have all of
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: these physiological responses which are identical to if it was
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: actually happening, because your body can't differentiate. That's how powerful
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: thought is. And so when we get people sitting around,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: God bless them all day, some people who are really
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: you know, focused on negativity. Well, the day is negative
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: because you're telling yourself those stories of how shit and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: horrible everything is, even if it isn't. But then that's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: reflected in your body's biochemistry and your heart rate and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: your blood pressure and your sympathetic nervous system and your
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: stress home hormones, and you know, it's this whole integrins
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: of mind, emotion, body and learning to self regulate, which
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: is kind of where you've been and where you are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I fucking love this.
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  Speaker 2: How you can, yeah you can. You can articulate it
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: in a way just with the differences and I guess
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: you know, the facets of what it means to be human.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: And again we get so fixated on the form and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: that muscular skeletal system and the aesthetic of how it
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: looks when you know, I've there's so many people that
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: I know that don't look like athletes and they turn
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: the inside out and heartbeat.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: And also think about how many people that you and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: I know that are walking around in this awesome rig
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: that mentally and emotionally are falling apart, you know, And
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: then you go, so it's good to have a great
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: body and well done, and it's good to be strong
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: and look fit and look amazing, and that's great, that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: is a really great achievement. But if the only thing
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: you train is your body, you'd never train your mind,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: or you never look after your mental or emotional health.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: You know there are going to be some problems. Mate,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: we're going to wind up because I realized that you've
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: got shit to do and you don't need to talk
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: to me all day. But I don't say this every episode,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: but I've really really enjoy chatting with you, like really good,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: so such a good conversation, and you're such an insightful
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: human being. So I really appreciate you coming on to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: you project buddy.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, you're a ripper. You're fucking great. You're good.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: You're real good. You probably know that, but I didn't,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: but now I do. You're real good, Tiff.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: What do you think I thought he was real good?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: I reckon to give.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Him on your your podcast at some stage.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Well, little did he know I was going to hit
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: him up for it. Well, let's ready now I think
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: he's ready.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, primed him. He's had a practice run with me.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Mate.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: If people want to follow you, you connect with you.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: What's the deal, buy your books, fucking spoon you on
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: the couch.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: What is it? Just all the handles Commando Steve, So,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Commando Steve, website, dot com, Instagram, Kmando Steve, Facebook, Commando
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Steve and you know the training we we kind of
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: the banner we go under is get Commando Fit Perfect.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you stick around once I do the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: show sign off if you would just for a minute,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: tiff anything, no harps, Well done you, well done Steve.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Well done listeners. We love your guts and we will
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: see you next time.