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Brooms and Witchcraft, Part 2: Inquisitions and Iniquity · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you as always
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  Speaker 1: so much fortuning in This is part two of our
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  Speaker 1: not Entirely Safe for the Kids exploration of the theories
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  Speaker 1: behind witches and broomsticks. Get ye to a nunnery, for
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  Speaker 1: you have been corrupted by the filth put forth in
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  Speaker 1: these uh these episodes. No, it's not filth, but it
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  Speaker 1: gets a little blue. Um, but it's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: fun and it's really pretty educational and super Halloween. He's
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  Speaker 1: let's hop right in, let's go. Despite the great work
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  Speaker 1: that researchers have done in investigating this theory, we have
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  Speaker 1: to be completely honest. Not everyone agrees with it. There's
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  Speaker 1: still a lot of debate. No, it's true, man, there's
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  Speaker 1: some holes in this story. And we've talked about it too,
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  Speaker 1: Like the timing is a little off in order for
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  Speaker 1: it to really work quite right. Um, basically, let's just
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  Speaker 1: boil it down to this. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: social psychologists that think that much more to blame than
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  Speaker 1: some kind of trip or some kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: psychedelic experience. Was the kind of stuff that you see
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  Speaker 1: play out in the movie The Witch, which is again phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: The idea of this isolation, this social and political unrest,
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  Speaker 1: and this sense of these young women felt powerless and
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  Speaker 1: then needed to exercise some power of their own and
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  Speaker 1: and lack shout against this very oppressive, you know, highly
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  Speaker 1: evangelical religious culture that was sort of keeping them down.
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  Speaker 1: That's my hot take. I don't think that's a hot
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  Speaker 1: take at all. I think more people would agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, urgetism is truthfully considered a fringe theory in
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  Speaker 1: most circles. You know, most historians don't agree with it. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of sociologists, as you said, point to other
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  Speaker 1: more compelling factors that could lead to the same result,
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  Speaker 1: which is again the death of all those people accused
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  Speaker 1: of witchcraft. And a lot of people in the sciences
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  Speaker 1: have cited, uh, this landmark paper, the first one arguing urgotism.
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  Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people who still say
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  Speaker 1: that she's not even onto anything, she's just playing wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, it goes back to what you said earlier.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of these symptoms, while they may appear to
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  Speaker 1: match in part the problems of ergotism or St. Anthony's Fire,
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  Speaker 1: they don't match it close enough for that to be
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  Speaker 1: a definitive answer. So when we get down to like
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  Speaker 1: the brass tacks or the brass rye of it, we
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  Speaker 1: don't have any way to do a forensic examination of
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  Speaker 1: the bread people were consuming. We don't know one saved
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  Speaker 1: a three hundred year old piece of bread. It's it's God.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why we still don't know what's set off
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  Speaker 1: those witch trials in Salem. But we know ergotism is
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  Speaker 1: not restricted to the Salem case of witchcraft, or I
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  Speaker 1: should say the ergotism theory. Uh. This is where we
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  Speaker 1: get into a little bit of socio cultural examination of
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  Speaker 1: the infamous which is broomstick right, Uh, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: It's one of those things. It's weird what we accept
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  Speaker 1: more children growing up, because if none of us had
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  Speaker 1: ever heard about which is in brew sticks until we
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  Speaker 1: were like in our twenties, we would have thought it
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  Speaker 1: was weird and ridiculous, you know, Like I didn't hear
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  Speaker 1: about Bobba Yaga until later in life, and I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's weird to have a house on chicken legs, But
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  Speaker 1: when you're a kid, it's just which is due, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And uh, according to again that Atlas Obscure article we
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  Speaker 1: referenced earlier. According to that article, uh, the broom has
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sexual symbolism to it, right. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and let's not forget too like in the way that
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  Speaker 1: history is often kind of bastardized and manipulated. Um, the
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  Speaker 1: true image of a witch riding a broomstick not the
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  Speaker 1: one we think of with the which black clad and
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  Speaker 1: some kind of robe with a peaked hat and riding
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  Speaker 1: the broomstick with the bristles facing backwards. Uh, and we're
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  Speaker 1: in some pointy shoes or something. That's not really the
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  Speaker 1: image that we would have been associating with this at
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  Speaker 1: the time. It would have been a usually young, kind
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  Speaker 1: of bucksom nude woman riding the broomstick backwards what we
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  Speaker 1: would think of the bristols facing forward backwards of what
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  Speaker 1: we would typically think. And the idea that these hallucinogenic
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  Speaker 1: compounds were ingested as some sort of flying uh potion
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  Speaker 1: was a thing, right yeah. Yeah, So the broom was
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  Speaker 1: sort of seen as a symbol of domesticity, uh, specifically
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  Speaker 1: what they would call female domesticity. But it was also phallic,
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  Speaker 1: which means it calls to mind a penis so writing
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  Speaker 1: on a broom was a symbol of female sexuality. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then it meant, or it implied, in a weird
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  Speaker 1: symbolic way, that femininity and domesticity, which are fun to
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  Speaker 1: say quickly, had gone wild. Which has gone wild? Cheapest
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  Speaker 1: oak we're gonna make today? Uh? And it's weird because
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know this. Gabe actually hipped me into this.
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  Speaker 1: The first known reference to which is flying on broomsticks
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  Speaker 1: at all, was confessed by a suspected warlock mail which
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  Speaker 1: one gay um Edeline of an area near Paris. He
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  Speaker 1: was being tortured in fourteen fifty three, and he was like,
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  Speaker 1: we you know, it's true. I fly in the air.
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  Speaker 1: And we're like, but how how does the devil help
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  Speaker 1: you fly in there? And he's like, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: a broom Stop burning me. That's a paraphrase. Uh, but
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  Speaker 1: you are right. Uh. People were drawing this idea of
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  Speaker 1: flying and brooms out of rich historical folkloric soil, because
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  Speaker 1: there used to be these pagan fertility rituals people would
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  Speaker 1: celebrate where you would use pitchforks, brooms, anything phallic really,
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  Speaker 1: any old pole would do, and then you would pilot
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  Speaker 1: these kind of through the fields, and people would jump
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  Speaker 1: as high as they could while this was happening, because
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to get the crops to grow as
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  Speaker 1: high as they could jump. Right. Uh. And this is
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  Speaker 1: depicted in a book published in fifteen eighty four by
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  Speaker 1: a guy named Reginald Scott called The Discovery of Witchcraft
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  Speaker 1: as these magical assemblies. The witches never failed to dance,
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  Speaker 1: and in't there dance they sing these words, ha ha, devil, devil,
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  Speaker 1: dance here, dance here, plale here, plale here, Sabbath, Sabbath,
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  Speaker 1: and wiles they sing and dance. Everone hath the broom
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  Speaker 1: in her hand and holdeth it aloft sort of my
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  Speaker 1: German like scholar voice from four, not that he was
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  Speaker 1: necessarily German. I did my best. Wait a minute, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: there's a wordy. What is flail played? It's p l A.
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  Speaker 1: I yes, it is, of course it is. I missed that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well I'm gonna leave it in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, leave
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  Speaker 1: it in, leave it in. So this, this, uh, this
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  Speaker 1: gives us a lot in one little quote to unpack. Here, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: what are some of the themes that we've got represented
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  Speaker 1: here in this quote? Oh? My gosh, phallic fertility symbols
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  Speaker 1: first off, then you got the brooms, then you got
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  Speaker 1: the pagans, right the non Christian religions, and you got
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  Speaker 1: jumping into the air. Uh no, casey, I would say
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  Speaker 1: all the pieces are there for a cohesive story about
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  Speaker 1: a flying which that's the traditional like folklore symbolism kind
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  Speaker 1: of argument of how symbols agreed to a glamory throughout time.
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  Speaker 1: But now we now we're getting into the really racy part,
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  Speaker 1: which I think we've already set up pretty well racier
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  Speaker 1: than putting drugs up your butt with a room stick.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's the that's the racy part. That's where we're going.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get to revisit that because that's my
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  Speaker 1: favorite part so far. But yeah, that this idea of
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  Speaker 1: of of this hallucinogenic a salve being a flying potion,
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  Speaker 1: right yeah, because you'll see descriptions of which is through
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  Speaker 1: our cane occult means creating a flying ointsments or which
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  Speaker 1: is brew and this is as this is like the
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  Speaker 1: magical part of the ritual or the process, right uh.
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  Speaker 1: And this this is so weird because we don't think
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  Speaker 1: about it this way, but the use of hallucinogenic substances
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  Speaker 1: by people in religious contexts or spiritual context predates written history.
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  Speaker 1: It's not crazy to say that somewhere across the millennia
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  Speaker 1: someone figured out how to do this. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you'll see experts point out that there are other readily
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  Speaker 1: available hallucin genic plants in Europe at this time Henbane nightshade,
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  Speaker 1: man Drake, and even as far back as fifteen sixty
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  Speaker 1: three there are authors saying these are all hallucin genic plants.
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  Speaker 1: They are all part of a witches flying ointment, which
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense if you think about it, because that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like saying if someone does one drug, they
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  Speaker 1: do them all. You know what I mean? Like I
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  Speaker 1: only snort cocaine heroin. Uh, what are ether all all
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  Speaker 1: kind of mixed together? What's? What's that really gross? When
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  Speaker 1: the right word, but crocodile is this improvised opioid that
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  Speaker 1: like street kids in like Russia take and and it's
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  Speaker 1: so it's made of like really nasty stuff, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: got an acidic quality to it that eventually, if you
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  Speaker 1: shoot it up enough, it uh starts to turn you
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  Speaker 1: into a living zombie type situation. And Jacob's made with
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  Speaker 1: like poop and stuff. If I'm not mistaken it Casey
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  Speaker 1: gotta say, um, there's another interesting book that speaks to
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  Speaker 1: some of this stuff called uh the Malleus Maleficarum by
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  Speaker 1: Heinrich Kramer, and it it came out in fourteen six
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  Speaker 1: and it's actually considered a manual for a hunting witches.
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  Speaker 1: And it talks about how which just had this like
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  Speaker 1: need for like just stealing dudes penises, and they could
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  Speaker 1: uh make them invisible, or they could just straight up
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  Speaker 1: abscond with them without the dude being any wiser, and
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  Speaker 1: they would keep them, they would shrink them and keep
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  Speaker 1: them in tiny in jars as like pets, So they
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  Speaker 1: would have these familiars that were literally disembodied penises. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So this whole phallic fertility thing kind of matriarchy vibe
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  Speaker 1: is very is a through line and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: this lore. Yeah. Yeah, And we do have accounts from
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  Speaker 1: this time where you see people under torture most of
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  Speaker 1: the time uh, confessing to using an ointment. Uh. There
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  Speaker 1: are multiple iterations of this. Uh. One of the most
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  Speaker 1: explicit comes from fourteen seventy seven when one Antoine Rose,
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  Speaker 1: who was called the Witch of Savoy uh, confessed under
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  Speaker 1: torture that the devil, whose name was Robinette, was a
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  Speaker 1: dark man who spoke in a hoarse voice, kissing Robinette's
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  Speaker 1: foot in homage, she would renounce God and the Christian faith,
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  Speaker 1: and then he the devil, would put his mark on
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  Speaker 1: her on the little finger of her left hand, and
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  Speaker 1: then he gave her stick eighteen inches long and a
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  Speaker 1: pot of ointment. She would smear the ointment on the stick,
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  Speaker 1: put it between her legs, and say, go, in the
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  Speaker 1: name of the devil, go. This is like, this is juicy,
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  Speaker 1: sealacious stuff to read. If you're someone learning about this
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  Speaker 1: in the late fourteen hundreds. You know what I mean? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I sure do. Um. Yeah. And there's a pretty great
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  Speaker 1: quote from that Malleus Maleficarum book that I was referencing
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  Speaker 1: that sort of sums up a lot of the stuff
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  Speaker 1: about witchcraft, or at least in the mind of more
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  Speaker 1: of a puritanical lens quote, all richcraft comes from carnal luss,
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  Speaker 1: which in women is insatiable God talking about victim blaming.
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  Speaker 1: H Frerah is wondering. Uh. There's an episode of stuff
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  Speaker 1: they don't want you to know about Grimoires that talks, uh,
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  Speaker 1: talks a little more in depth about the malice Malificarum. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: It's I think the translation is the Hammer of Witches.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right? It's it's a book for inquisitors, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and it's written seriously. It's it's meant to be a
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  Speaker 1: non fiction depiction of what these uh, what these witches
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  Speaker 1: as they were called, are actually doing, How to find them,
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  Speaker 1: how to I mean, how to persecute them basically. Uh So,
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  Speaker 1: one other question you have to have is, uh, why
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  Speaker 1: a broomstick, why not some other household object? Why not
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  Speaker 1: a rake? Why aren't which is flying around on rakes
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  Speaker 1: or on scythes or you know, uh, plows plows have
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  Speaker 1: handles right that are like broomsticks. Uh. It turns out
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  Speaker 1: that there are some explanations. One is that the herbs
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  Speaker 1: used in the preparation of these ointments would have been
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  Speaker 1: kept in a little broom like bundle, something called a whisk,
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  Speaker 1: and it might have been boiled in oil that would
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  Speaker 1: release the active ingredients, almost like a satchet of tea
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  Speaker 1: or herbs, you know what I mean. Yeah, in a
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  Speaker 1: little piece of cheese cloth bound with the tiny little
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  Speaker 1: piece of string and it just filters it through there
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  Speaker 1: and keeps you from getting big pieces of the stuff
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  Speaker 1: you might you know, choke on it. But why were
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  Speaker 1: they naked? There's so many images of the early images
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  Speaker 1: of witches that were almost exclusively depicted as like I said,
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  Speaker 1: often quite beautiful naked women writing these boom broomsticks. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it's an interesting quine. I mean, you know, we also
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  Speaker 1: there is something in The Witch, the vivivich Um, the
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  Speaker 1: Egger's film that these women appear naked as well all
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  Speaker 1: and are often covering their bodies in this salve. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna trip a lot harder if you put it
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  Speaker 1: all over or you know, bigger dose, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it's certainly got these kind of like empowerment themes
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  Speaker 1: and pagan kind of ritualistic themes. Uh, and so that
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  Speaker 1: would account for that. But it's interesting how the image
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  Speaker 1: of the witch has been kind of sanitized and turned
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  Speaker 1: into sort of like a spooky Halloween thing. But if
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  Speaker 1: you want to see what a real witch is like,
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  Speaker 1: check out the Witch. Well, I would say, if you
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  Speaker 1: want to see a horror film version of a real witch,
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  Speaker 1: because real quote unquote, real witches were probably just people
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  Speaker 1: practicing longstanding, pre existing non Christian traditions, of course, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they were monsters. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: my ex wife considers herself a witch. She actually just
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  Speaker 1: joined the coven and uh does uh kind of incantation
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  Speaker 1: a e crystal type stuff and and chance and things,
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  Speaker 1: and it's very much a way of life and of
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  Speaker 1: of community, and it's you know, I don't look down
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  Speaker 1: upon it at all. I think it's great. There's is
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  Speaker 1: she wickan or it's that that that angle more and
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  Speaker 1: more and more, that angle more, the white magic kind
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  Speaker 1: of side of it. It's about positivity and it's about
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, they they do some things that would
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  Speaker 1: allow them to kind of you know, use astrology and such.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it is more than it. Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 1: You're not hurting anybody. It's hating to have spiritual beliefs.
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  Speaker 1: For a lot of people, it's powerful thing. And when
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  Speaker 1: we look back at these events, uh, through the lens
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  Speaker 1: of modernity, it can seem kind of weird, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because we'd be like, well, what is this? Really? Is
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  Speaker 1: the argument here? That is it? Something like how dare
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  Speaker 1: these people do drugs for fun and then pleasure themselves?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like on the list of terrible things humans do,
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  Speaker 1: recreational hallucinogen use, uh, self administered and then self pleasured.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I mean, am I a bad person?
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  Speaker 1: They don't seem like terrible things to me. Uh. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: they were just seen as to empowering to the patriarchal
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  Speaker 1: power structure at the time, because it is kind of
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  Speaker 1: a case of you you could phrase it as an
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  Speaker 1: oppressed demographic uh, having empowerment over their own bodies to
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  Speaker 1: do with what, you know, what they wished at a
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  Speaker 1: time when women were really had very few rights. But
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  Speaker 1: regardless of how you feel about this, the fact of
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  Speaker 1: the matter is that many people were tortured and killed
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  Speaker 1: because they did stuff like this, which is just so
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  Speaker 1: incredibly unfair. But I do like the pharmacological angle here,
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  Speaker 1: and we don't know if that can explain everything, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's kind of like saying, what
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  Speaker 1: is the exact moment that the trident became associated with
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  Speaker 1: the Christian devil? Uh? In place of like ancient you know,
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  Speaker 1: Greco Roman gods and stuff. Uh, well, there there may
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  Speaker 1: be an exact point for that. We need to find
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  Speaker 1: that in a future episode Dare you have It Man,
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  Speaker 1: which is brooms, drugs and of course yeah, caveat, caveat,
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  Speaker 1: cavalcade of asterisks. Not everyone agrees. Experts are still debating this.
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  Speaker 1: But the seeds of this idea, the morning glory seeds
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  Speaker 1: of this idea drug joke, Uh, those remain with us
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  Speaker 1: in fiction and folklore today. And and Casey Off Mike, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you you teased and tantalized us just a little bit
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  Speaker 1: when we pause for something. And then uh you you
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  Speaker 1: said there's a Harry Potter angle to this. Yes, So,
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  Speaker 1: around about the year two thousand, Mattel, who manufactures all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of kids toys of course they had a Harry
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  Speaker 1: Potter tie end deal for a broomstick toy for kids.
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  Speaker 1: You know, millions of these toys have probably been manufactured
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  Speaker 1: over over the years, but the one that made this
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  Speaker 1: one distinct is that it vibrates when it's between your
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  Speaker 1: legs to simulate flying. But you can kind of see
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  Speaker 1: where I'm going with this, right, like tauchy wand kind
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  Speaker 1: of stitution exa, yes, oh back massager. So the reviews
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  Speaker 1: on Amazon from the period. They've since taken the page down,
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  Speaker 1: but you can find it archived on various blogs are
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  Speaker 1: really funny, like some some are from legit parents and
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  Speaker 1: some are clearly people just having fun. But the one
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  Speaker 1: I see here is like in all bold keep the
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  Speaker 1: batteries out and then and then also you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: there's ones that are like obviously someone trying to be
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  Speaker 1: pretend to be like an a loof parent that's like,
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  Speaker 1: my daughter loves this toy. She just plays within her
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  Speaker 1: room like hours and hours and hours and until the
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  Speaker 1: batteries run out and all this stuff. Um so I
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  Speaker 1: think I think I don't know what ended up happening
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  Speaker 1: with the toy, if they recalled it or what happened.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just it's interesting to me because I
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  Speaker 1: remember that story when it happened, and I just thought
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: it was kind of a funny accident, like the vibrating broomstick.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: They didn't really think it through. But if you think
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: about like the history of witchcraft and how it was
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  Speaker 1: perceived and how it always had this kind of sexual
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: angle to it, it's fascinating that that tension kind of
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: played out in like a contemporary way someone new. I'm
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: pretty sure that that's this. That's the very reason that
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Tickled Miama is so damn popular too, just put maybe not,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's great, Casey. I love the Amazon
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: reviews especially, And so you had you had one more
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: more ingredient to throw into the cauldron of this episode
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: before we call it an all hallows eve. Right, Oh,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I just you know, you just you just kind of
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: rattled off lines and tigers and bear a style with
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the episode was about. And I was just gonna add
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: butts and penises and jars. Yes, yes, they're the real
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: v I p s. I think we can agree. In
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: today's episode, I feel like we learned a lot like
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: this touches on so many strange, strange things like a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: social oppression, belief in witchcraft, magic, neurochemistry. Weirdly enough, like
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: this is this is kind of a I was gonna
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: say Whitman's sampler, But what about this is a Halloween
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: trigger treat bag of weird knowledge nuggets. That sounds terrible?
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Help me out here? Well, how about that? About this
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the real quick let's go around the room, favorite and
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: least favorite Halloween candy ben oh um. Well, as you
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: guys know, I don't really practice favorites. I do. I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: do think there are some insulting Halloween candies, like the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: wax or in and black taffy stuff or the u
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: wax lips. It's like you're going out of your way
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to be rude. Just turn off your lights, watch go
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: watch the Witch, and don't give me this insulting candy.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Giving people that candy is like giving someone a partially
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: used gift certificate for their birthday. Here's the twenty five
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: dollar gift certificate for bed, Bath and Beyond. I think
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: it's got seven bucks maybe eight on their happy birthday. Bro. Yeah, alright,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I will accept that. That's great absolutely well. I I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: am the arbiter of this this Q and A your patriarchal,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: your pa. If not like that, I'm gonna go something
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: real basic. I'm just gonna say Tutsi rolls, like, Oh
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I like a Tutsie roll. They're plentiful and uh I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: used to just gorge myself on them and be very
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: very sick afterwards. You don't find they get stuck up
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: in all kinds of nether regions of your teeth. Nah,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I mean not not back when I was a kid.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: What's your casey? What's your stance on the the alternative
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: flavor twitsi rolls? Which is very interested? They're okay, but
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you know there's no substitute for the original. Prefer just
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the normal chocolate and as far as least favorite, just
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: anything healthy, like people given out apples or whatever without
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: even having razor blades in them. Just like what holiday
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: do you think? This is? Apple Day? Anyway? No? Sorry?
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Wait what are yours? Man? Oh my gosh. My my
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: favorite is sort of a controversial pick. It is almond
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Joy and I know for a lot of people that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is on people's trash candy list, but I just love it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. How do you feel you made
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a face Casey, sometimes you feel like a nut that's
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the almond mounds is the one with no nut. I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like the nutted one. I got really into I can't
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: remember why, but I got really into reading about the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: history of candy bars a couple of weeks ago, and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I think we should do an episode on it, especially
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: if you really call it, if you feel like really
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: called to the almond joy. I think we could have
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun with that one. Oh yeah, I
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: can agree with that. My least favorite is easily anything
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: candy corn related or those horrible little waxy pumpkin things. Good. Yeah,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: what do you know again? I feel like there's this
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: entire industry of candy that's made specifically for whatever the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Halloween version of the Grinches that people want to become,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and they're out ruining, Like these kids work hard on
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: these costumes, their parents are walking around. Everybody's trying to
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: have a good time. Man, don't that wax that that
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: you guys know what I'm talking about? That's happy actively
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: unpleasant taffy? You mean, like a laffy taffy situation or
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: something even inferior to that. It's like peanut butter or
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: some kind of it's it's abomination flavored. I guess. I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: mean it just tastes like weird chemicals or something. It's very,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: very just unpleasant. Got it, got it? All right? All right?
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I think we've all learned a little bit about about
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: each other today that we didn't know before. And uh,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: this concludes our our two part exploration on the the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: theoretical science behind the idea of which is on brooms.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Uh and and a million of other things. Alm enjoys,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: twitsy rolls, Abomination flavored candy, Abomination flavor can imperialistic, pedantic quisitry.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't say pedantic an imperialistic. I mean I added,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I can add my own flavor here, totally. Yeah,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: we all have free wheels here, despite what the witches
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: might want or despite what the witch hunters might wantch So,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: uh with that, I think I don't know about you, guys,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: but I'm really vibing on this Halloween related historical trend.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Do you guys want to keep doing this for a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: few more episodes? I'm really vibing on this Harry Potter broomstick,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: but absolutely do I want to do that thing? In
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the meantime, huge thanks to super producer Casey Pegro as
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: always for his uh ones and twosman ship. Um. Big
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: thanks to Alex Williams who composed our theme. Christopher Haston
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: is here in spirit. Jonathan Strickland, notorious Quister Halloween every
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: day when he's around. Big big thanks of course do
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: gave our research north Star and uh Fellow Halloween or
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: which is a weird word. Uh, thanks as well to
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Eve's Jeff Coat. Thanks to all those great folks of
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Halloween's past for giving out candy to two kids and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: complimenting them on their costumes. Halloween's gonna be a little
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: bit different uh this year, but let's let's keep the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: spirit the same. Spooky and fun and wonderful. We got
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: this folks. We'll see you next time. M For more
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