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Out of Bounds W. Dr. Quick. Wk 4 of the NFL · Bears Banter Talk Show

• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: What's up, what's up, what's up?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the fourth episode of Out of Bounds with Dr.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Quick.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, you know, I'm Dr.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: Quick.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Sitting in on the show today, my guest, a very special guest to the Chicagoland area.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: I have a former sports writer with the Sun Times over 40 years.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now he currently has his own show on W V O N The Man, The Myth, The Legend, Clyde Travis.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on, Clyde?
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: How you doing?
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, man, I must be doing fine because I don't do something on Monday on Tuesdays for this anybody.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I want you to know that you're special, young fella.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I appreciate you coming on today, man.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've been on your show several times.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, man, you know, let me get Clyde on my show.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, let's let's just talk about some things that's going on with sports and all type of stuff, man.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: You are a uh a beacon of light for sports, not only in Chicago, but throughout the entire country.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I just want to do a brief intro so you can introduce yourself and listen, people.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of you guys, uh um old players that watch the show, come out, don't have your damn articles, all right?
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: So don't come on here asking for your articles from 50 years ago.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: He ain't got them.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: He ain't got them articles, man.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Look at the old stuff.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: That was before the uh internet and all that.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: So just you just keep line, keep lying.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: That was a lot of hard work trying to get some of my pull-up articles up, man.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's a lot of hard work, you know.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: But get those calls, but you know, hey, you know the truth about all these athletes out here, man.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: People, man, you know, back when I played, man, I was the man, man.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd be like, hey Clyde, you know this dude, man.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: I I've had I've had some great stories I can share with you.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, depending on the how how you want to roll with it, but I've had some great stories where people didn't know who I was and was telling me what was on my all-city team, and yeah, and and I'm saying, no, I don't think so, man.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: What would you know?
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, so hey, so let's get into it, man.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: You grew up in DC.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, tell me a little bit about that.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know what?
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: It is it was uh it was a fun place to be for us, man.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, my neighborhood was extraordinary, you know.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: It is it's no different than some of the neighborhoods in Chicago where people talk about um, I hope I didn't lose you.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm here.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's okay.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was it's no different than a lot of when you guys talk about we grew up on the on the south side, we do grew up on the low end, we grew up in uh in woodland, woodlawn and things of that nature.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_02: I that my area was so saturated with people who really did well.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, classic example my backyard and the great Adrian Dantley's backyard faced each other.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_02: James Brown, who James Brown, who's on CBS and went to Harvard, played at Harvard and all the multitude of things.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: He he was one block over.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: Perry Clark, who's the um uh head coach of Tulane, later on Miami, or he was two blocks over.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um uh Eddie Tapscott, who's the GM uh of the Wizards and New York Knicks, he was one block over.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_02: Kermit Washington was there.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, and look, the guys I named you, they weren't the best guys.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: No man.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's the fun, and I mean, we balled every day, just like guys, you know, here in Chicago.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: And if you had told me that I would be in Chicago over 45 years, uh I I would have lost my mind.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: I you know, I played multiple sports in high school, uh attempted to in college.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: But when I when I came here, I I I really found out who I was and what my uh calling was.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: I would have never thought that I'd been here for 45 years.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let me ask you, man, like how did you how did you get started in sports writing?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: So you you know, you're a former uh Chicago Sun Times sports writer, uh, mostly with preps.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: And how did you get started with that?
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, I it was it was really quite by accident.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: I I kind of had uh I didn't know I wanted to be be a writer, even though my father was really close with the legendary Tony Brown, who had Tony Brown's journal and and things that nature.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: And he used to talk to me about writing and and things like that.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: I always thought that I was going to be a a coach and a teacher.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: My my my family is immersed into uh in education.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: My father, my I both of my parents, which was a uh novelty, you know, who are gone now, but they both were uh college grad.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: My mother had my mother had three degrees, my father had four, plus he was plus he was military.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: So I grew up, I grew up in a strange environment.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_02: I always tell people one side of my family was doctors, lawyers, and Indian chiefs, and the other side of my family was a little bit too desired, to be desired.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: So I used to tell people I loved all my cousins.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I was one of those people that man just embraced different things, different people.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: And my father was very stringent on trust because he said you should respect everybody.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: He said, but make people earn your trust.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I've lived by that mantra my entire life.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I'm I'm glad to say along this line, I've you know, I've met several people in my journey that uh I trust immensely, I I feel that their hearts are in a good place, I love what they're doing, and I'm glad that I've been a part of so many people's lives, and it's becoming more and more apparent the older I get.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the love that I receive now.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: And and you you talked about uh potentially going into coaching.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: One thing that I did not mention is that you are in the uh CPS coaches hall of fame, yeah, the football hall of fame.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that that's gotta be a special award for a person who was a sports writer, right?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was, you know, I was in that inaugural class that I will never forget standing next to JW, uh Roy Curry, uh Greg Brooks, uh Al Scott was uh there posthumously.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh um let me see who else was in that uh Carl Bonner was was rep represented there.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um man is hardy.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: Man, you brought it you got me on that one, but I mean Glenn Johnson.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, the great oh my goodness, he'd be slapping him aside here right in the great grand job.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: I have that picture somewhere.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: I have that picture because I was there.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: We just talked about that, man.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: I have you know, I had a big fire um a while back, and I lost so many memorable uh photographs that if we ever find that picture, please uh give it back.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: But I've been I've been very lucky.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_02: I've been inducted into like um several hall of fames, and and I'm glad I'm glad to say that I've earned each one of them.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't ask to be in any of them, you know, and that that that means that means a lot to me.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, one day, man, when I when I grow up, I want to be just like you and get in maybe a hall of fame or something.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I I might get there.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: I got a I got a cut, a little resume, but you know, I might you got a nice young, you gotta, and you know what?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, one thing I I talk to so many people about I never measure an individual based on individual uh uh accolades that they receive, but I enjoy watching certain people that you can just label along the line, and you know if you've been around the uh uh in media, if you've been around sports, athletics, it's a certain gate that people have.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, you can just sit back and watch, and he, you know, you are kind of one of those guys I used to have my eyes on because you know, like I said, he talked a lot of trash, but he sure enough got something going on.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I just like the way, you know, Cam Buckner was another, was another one.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: Tracy Dealby was another one.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I can go down, you know, you you you know it's something special about the way they carry themselves.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_02: I I used to have a little thing, I used to try to sneak into gyms and just look at who's interacting certain ways with each, which you know, which with the uh with other players or how they carry themselves, how they conduct themselves.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: And you can tell a lot about the banter that's going back and forth, whether somebody is standoffish, um, whether they are engaging, whether they're serious about their craft.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: I used to do it all the time.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I and I just that was my little code sheet or cheat sheet.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: And it was something about, you know, plus you were multiple, uh you remind me of the old school guys, you know.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: We to play one sport, that was like taboo for us.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody, you went from football to basketball to baseball, track or tennis.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I was before to play tennis, but but you you went from one thing to another.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that got kind of lost in the shuffle as specialization came on and people uh didn't emphasize that.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: I understand that you know these have a uh a saying, you can be a jack of all jack of all trades, but a master of none.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I think what's what happened now is that people they lose something and they gain something at the same time.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_02: But based on numbers, I think the more verse that versed that you are, the better you'll be down the line.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on the I'm gonna put you on the spot right here.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Who are some of the best people that you've ever covered?
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I know you got a long list, but give me give me give me about give me about three to five of the best people.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: I I'm gonna do it like this.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because I am a I am an advocate of not going who was the best guy.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna tell you why, because I come from that generation.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: If my dad was here right now, my uncles or anybody, you couldn't tell them that there was a better fighter than Joe Lewis.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care who came after him.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: You could you could not tell them there was a better running back than Jim Brown.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't care who came after them, but dad, what about what about this person or what about that person?
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and so it goes on like that, but some of the players that I really enjoy watching, the first player actually, you wouldn't you may not well, I know you heard of him because you you're well versed.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: The first player I saw from Chicago, uh that really the first two players were Cassie Russell.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: I was a young boy with Cassie Russell and another guard from Carver named Ken Maxie.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: I thought Ken Maxie was so cool, it was like ridiculous.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I want to be like him, man.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_02: Cassie Russell, and Cassie Russell came into Washington, D.C.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_02: and just lit it up uh because he played with a very close friend of uh uh a member of my family, uh uh Billy Gaskins, uh, who was at Oregon at that particular time.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: He was Amar Rashad's roommate.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: But so they came out around the same time, and he was talking about it when he had the matchup against this guy from Michigan, and then he invited Cassie there, and Cassie put on a clinic.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but in terms of players that I really have enjoyed watching, let's say uh in basketball, I got here in Mark Aguirre senior year.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and and Mark Aguire reminded me of my homeboy, but with a better jumper, but not as good as footwork.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: And that was Adrian Dentley.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they they built the same way, they their bodies say almost the same type, body type, and they were virtually unstoppable.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I think if I'm not mistaken, Mark Aguire was the first player in Chicago that was voted number one uh nationwide by the by the media.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, people knew about him.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: Then right after Mark Aguire, there came another phenom that uh enjoyed uh watching, and that was uh Isaiah Thomas.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: But then right after Isaiah, yeah, you had Glenn, you had Glenn Doc Rivers and that whole crew that came in there.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: Then you're on the other side, you go over to Chicago Public League.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think uh I've ever seen players that are as captivating, and I'm not gonna say Kevin Garnett, because he's a byproduct of a year, even though we reclaim him or we don't, but I'll say nobody was more captivating watching play than Ronnie Fields and Derek Rose.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, those were two, those were absolute, those are two absolute uh uh phenoms.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, one thing about one thing about Chicago, um it is it it was for about a good 20-year period, maybe longer, 30 years, we were so saturated with talent that you didn't have they didn't have to go anywhere because the talent, the coaches were gonna come to Chicago.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: And that was one of the things that uh uh Coach Bob Hamburg used to always preach.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: You got Deion Thomas, who was to me was one of the most most outstanding, underrated big men ever to play in sh in Chicago, one of the most exciting players that uh I ever saw that nobody would ever uh even bring up.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas your guy, uh Thomas, uh Red Nuke.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean you wouldn't think about bringing his name up.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I see him do some things to people that it was just absolutely phenomenal.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I enjoy.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I enjoyed as well.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you got like Anthony Davis, people talk about him, they were talking about him for years because he's obviously gonna go into the hall of fame.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: Anthony Davis didn't make my all-city team ever until the senior year.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's senior year, and they will, and I was almost forced to put him on there because he was gonna be nominated as player of the year, but he played in what you call the green division in Chicago, and that was almost like intra real.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: So it was hard for me passing over people, but uh, you know, the the powers that be said, we're gonna look real crazy with him being named player of the year and not even making uh first team all-city and or or player of the year in Chicago.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, you know, we've had some, you know, we said had some interesting players.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: Let me see who else can I put on that uh I enjoyed.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: You you for you forgetting one man, one of my favorite players to watch.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: Marcus Lemon.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say he played with Jamie Brandon.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: Jamie, you know, Jamie Brandon, to me, you know, you have a different category for Jamie.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: And and I have the I have this category of guys who just terrorize people.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they they put the fear of the you know what in you when they step on the court.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: Jamie Brandon for four years was Jamie very easily could have been a four-time all-city uh basketball player.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I think um, oh he was definitely a three-time.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: There was only, there was never a I'm sure.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think Jabari Parker may have been the first four-time uh first team all-city.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: The other one you'd be surprised at, and most people would laugh at, uh, would have been Amari Sawyer, who I thought was uh, you know, was quintessential point guard.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: But then you how you gonna put Amara Sawyer ahead of somebody like Tim Hardaway?
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: So so it's a yin and a yang to anybody that you that you pick out and and things of that nature.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, we just um the the talent that we have, and and somebody will call up right now and say, well, what about this person or what about that person?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: You got guys on the west side, that's why I used to enjoy the south side rest side uh games, because there was two opposite polar polarizing mentalities at that time.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't like it is now where everybody wants to be your friend, everybody wants to work together.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: You had the little itty bitty guards, little uh uh guys that ran the floor and run you out of a gym on the west side, and then you had more the uh the forge and the post people on the south side, and it would be just it would just be battle, battling.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Tracy Dildy was in high school.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: Tracy Dildy was one of the best pure point guards that you would ever see anywhere.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: Read the stats.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Another one was Anthony Manuel, who played at fair uh at uh at Crane, night that class of 85.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: So you got man in Chicago.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you you know what you got me started.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: I wish I had known how we were gonna do this.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: I would have had all my stuff right, like right now.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, no, no.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is out of bounds because there's there's no boundaries here.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because yeah, even even though listing all those players, you still got Benji Benji Bangston.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: Now, now Benji Wilson, let me tell you about Benji Wilson.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: Benji Wilson, god rest his soul, the way you know, and things of that nature, probably was the most complete player that I ever saw.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Benji Benji, and I take Benji slightly uh because people always ask me, who did you think was better, Benji or Marcus?
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: I thought Marcus had better uh a certain skill set that surpassed Benji, but Marcus couldn't pat the rock like Benji.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: Benji came in as a as a as a guard.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: Guard he came in as a guard, and he grew he was like he was like six feet, and he grew from six feet to six eight and never lost any of his.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's only two players that I've ever seen make that monumental jump when it came to uh size like that.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: One was Benji Wilson, and believe it or not, the other was the player that we just talked about.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: That was Anthony Davis.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: Anthony Davis.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, Anthony Davis.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because Benji Benji could play any position uh on that floor.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: Benji was nothing more than a uh uh I don't want to say bootleg, but Magic Johnson Magic Johnson.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Magic Johnson.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: He was Magic Johnson all all all the way.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then he would have been he was he was another player in Chicago that was uh number one in the nation, and nobody even knew who he was before he went to camp.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: And you know it's funny because I you know, as you always say, I was a shoutie back then when I was a shoutie, but you know, you know, if you you you gotta know your history to know where it is now present day.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember back in the early 2000s when the when the Red West was one of the top conferences in the country, yeah, you know, with Luke the Head the Head and Will Bynum and all the guys.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah, and so that's another that's another just all out exciting individual that I I I tell people all the time, they ask me, well, what were some of the great games that you saw?
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'll never forget the the games, the two games between Julian with Sean Dockery, yeah, and Will Bynum at at um at uh at Crane.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: But see, you gotta understand too, right after Will Bynum probably came under Sharon Collins.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Sharon was collins.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's a three time three three sports uh all-state athlete.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: Three sport all-state athlete.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: The only one, I think the only one in Chicago history, it made all-state and three sports.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: It was two.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna say Marty Murray.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: Marty Murray, yep.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say two.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: I catch the young fella.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna I knew you I was a shoutie, but I know Marty Murray was all city.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Marty, Marty Murray, Marty Murray was all city in football, all city basketball, and all city in baseball, and baseball probably was his best sport, and basketball probably was his weakest sport.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he was that.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, but like I said, him uh he and his brother were just two awesome, awesome characters.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: I always I always think now you were a three-sport guy, weren't you?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: Or two-sport.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: You were it yeah, I was I was really I was really baseball, football, and track.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: I doubled and dabbled in basketball early.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: But what was funny is when I came on your show, because most people know me, that there's two sides.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Most people know me for football, and then there's another side that know me for baseball.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: And Clyde was like, Hey, wait a minute, man, you play baseball.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Yeah, this dude knows his stuff, don't he?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean I you know what, man, that's that's where I had the ups on a lot of people because you know, when something is your mission, I I enjoy watching high school baseball.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I enjoy watching the Jeff Jacksons, the Sean Lindseys, you know, uh Sam Blands and people like that.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: I enjoy going.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: If I wasn't doing anything, man, I just uh I enjoy watching.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Watching everything but swimming.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, or and I didn't really like covering track that much because every time I go one end of the field, something that would something would happen on the other end of the field.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: And it would just, you know, I like it right in right in front of me, man.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, I I found my niche, I found my home.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: I had no regrets, you know, many opportunities to leave.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I never forget this one kid said something to me.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: And he he he he wasn't a big time player, but he lived in Englewood, and he I think he played, he played for Luke.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh when Lou'cause coach, most people don't know.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: Lou coach started coaching over there at Englewood.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: And and uh I was uh I was asked if I would run a program over in Ogden Park in the summer for a little while, and I did it.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: And something happened over there that ticked me off.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, hey man, I went to I went to the powers that be.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: You understand what I'm saying?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: I said, You all don't ever have to worry about me coming through this raggedy, no good toe up, run down spot again.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I'm done.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: And they said, Mr.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: Travis, what's the problem?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: I said, somebody stole all my equipment, all my gear.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: They said, no, that's a violation.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: I said, no.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I said, I'm out, and they said, if you leave, we don't have nobody.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that hit me.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: I said, Well, you shouldn't have stolen my stuff.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: They said, hold on, wait a minute.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody would take anything out of that.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: They named the kind of car I had.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: I said, Oops.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I had my wife's car.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Why you ain't tell us that with your wife's car?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, it was so funny because I got everything, I got everything back in that crazy little incident right there.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: I said, Man, you know, you you impacting these guys.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: I remember um uh the the great car um cowboy said something to me that touched me one day.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, Carl, I used to think Carl would run through a brick wall.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: He was just a tough little cookie, he was small, but he was just had a toughness to him.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: And he and he told me later on in life, he said, you know what?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: He said, a lot of people look at you and want to grow up and be like you.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: And this is like when he was out of college, he was already a lawyer at that time.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: He said, he said, you know, you have no idea the effect that you have on so many people.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I granted to say this, I said that because you're gonna have the same effect on so many people doing what you who would think somebody like you, and I'm saying that I'm saying that affectionately, it is crazy that you come up with a PhD, you know, multiple things, uh, running things, one of the great organizers in the city, uh, a person that that speaks, gets things done, and can converse with both sides of the deck.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I look at you sometime and I laugh.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm always gonna bust your chops, but I mean I look at you sometime and I say, Man, this I had him when he was a shorty, like he said.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: So, so it's it's a really good feeling.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: I guarantee you that you will experience the same thing if you're not already experiencing it, but you know, as you go older and you put some put some more years on it, it's gonna be even more rewarding down the line.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Plus, people don't know what you're dealing with, uh if I'm if I'm able to say it, you know, um, as far as your health issues and things of that nature, and how you how you I mean, man, it's a lot of uh things that you have shown people is that hey, it's no limits on where you can vote, what you can do, and what you can persevere through.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I appreciate it, man.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: I talk about my health all the time.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, just got some good news yesterday.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: I do this test called the signature test where they draw my blood, send it to the lab.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: And right now, at this moment, there's no cancer running through my blood cells.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, man.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, man, yeah.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: So we just we just keep going, man, one day at a time.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know you've had your health issues as well, and uh you know, we talk all the time about it, and all you can do is just go one day at a time.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like the alcohol, uh alcohol theory, but just live one day at a time.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, yeah, well, you know what, man?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: I I found myself uh almost uh being energized by by taking that next step.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: And still, like I said, I said as long as I got breath in my body, I I'm gonna keep.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: I say six upbeats, six down.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I say.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: As long as I'm six feet up.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I ain't six feet up no more.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't realize you could shrink as time goes on.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: I done lost a couple of inches, man.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: But but yeah, that's what she said.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what she said.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I ain't mad no more.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: I got a good scrapbook, young fella.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, so hey man, look, uh, we're gonna come back, come back to a little bit of uh some stuff from from uh you know your dealings with the the schools and the people because I always tell people I played a Julian when Julian was Julian, and when the when this right when the city city championship was called the Julian Jaguar Invitational, you know, we're trying to figure out who we're gonna play.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you something else.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: Julian uh is one of the schools, I'll never forget this, and this was probably, and I'm really dating myself.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: This probably was about 80, 81, 82, somewhere around like that.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I was thinking about pulling up, you know.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: I said, hey, I'm you know, I'm I'm out of here, you know, because I didn't like Chicago when I first came here, you know.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said, I I had no idea.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: I came up here, I came up here to see somebody, and while I was up here, I just said I decided that I was gonna walk into this uh into the city news bureau.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: And the city news bureau, it wasn't a it wasn't a master's degree degree in journalism at that time.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: If you were in the top one percent of the your your field in journalism, then you went to the city news bureau as a as almost like the equivalent of getting a master's degree in journalism.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I went in there to pick up an application and almost got hired on the spot.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I'm like, whoa, you can call it what you want, but I mean it'd be right place, right time, however it was.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: And that was in 78.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: I had no intentions of staying.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: I said, no, I just want to check this out.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Not thinking I'm gonna get hired.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: They came back.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: I was in the city news bureau for the next three, three years, maybe four years.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then I and then that's when uh the great legendary Taylor Bell asked me whether I want to come over to the Sun Times, and it went from the City News Bureau to the Sun Times, then occasionally doing stuff with ESPN.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: So it just you couldn't have told me.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: I I couldn't have written this here because I I had actually written a book during that particular period of time called Contemporary Black America, and things just fall into place, but like I said, with luck is when opportunity meets preparation.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: I was prepared to take care of the uh take the breaks, and I just rolled with it.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, while you're here, man, let's talk a little bit of the talk a little bit of sports.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna talk a little bit about the Bears recap.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so we're gonna the Chicago Bears beat the the New York Jets 23 to 12.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: The backup quarterback Tyson Bajant, he went for uh he was 25 for 34, uh in 260 yards, he threw an interception.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's gonna be usual with him with that plus arm he got.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: And uh Cal Manunga ran for 146 yards, two touchdowns.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, the best familiar.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so so what's what's what's your thing?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: What's your what's your feeling about the Bears now?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the city has kind of got some momentum.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh everybody knows, or well, most people know I am not a Tyson badge.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: I call him Tyson the bad gent.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: I am not, I'm I'm not a fan that he is based on, and this is with the oldness that comes out of me.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't like players that uh okay, I don't like players that take shortcuts per se.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um and Tyson went to Shepherd, uh the small division two school, and uh and um he had an opportunity to go several other places.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: Now, some people say I'm wrong about this, some people say I'm right.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but he he did quite well, set all kinds of records as Shepherd.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Then he had an opportunity, I get it, you know, because he I I think Maryland was after him, Delaware was after him, uh uh uh Villanova was after him, and even uh I think it was uh James Maddie.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: It was a lot of schools that they were looking looking at him after after he had did those three, four years.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then he decided to stay.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: So to me, that kind of told me something about toughness.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: And he said that he felt loyal to those guys and things of that name.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: Now, that's why when you when you're being uh a reporter, you it's subjective subjectivity, as you know, and it's objectivity.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: I look at it from my lens and I said, man, I I I don't like the way I don't like what he what he's made of like that.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: Then he comes in and and uh I love Case Keenum now.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: Don't get me wrong.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: I thought Case Keenum is I thought I thought when you bring a quarterback in as your number one in primary, you don't bring another quarterback in on the same class, you know, the same year.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: Think about RJ3 and who they bring in.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: They brought in Kirk Cousins.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: So that tells me that you really not sold on who you have because when both got there, they could say, Oh, they both want to be starters in this lead.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to hear that if I'm a number one, if I be I want to hear that you all behind me, we ready to go, and that's it.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: Now, uh a lot of the guys, they love uh badge.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: He does he does react quick, he has a sharp mind.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I don't see him as uh a starter necessarily in the league, but I see him as a uh quintessential uh number two that's gonna really probably get a shot at it.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but like I said, um I think the Bears, Kyle Manunga, I knew what you're gonna get when they got him.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: If you followed him at Rutgers, I mean he was like, yeah, he was uh he came right after Pacheco, and they didn't they didn't miss a beat.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think all I need to know about the Bears was that Ben Johnson got here.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: And the reason I say that, that we were in a good place, because Ben could have taken three or four other jobs, including one with Washington down there with uh Jaden Daniels and Ho Nine and a couple of other places.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I think even um uh out there in in uh California, what's what's the um the LA Chargers?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: It was a couple of places that he could have gone, but he said, I'm waiting on who?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm waiting on the bears.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: So that yeah, so he knew that he knew that the bears were gonna get Caleb, and he wanted to he was waiting on that quarterback because that quarterback is what makes his offense go.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean he's proven now.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you know, because everybody was like, hey, can this guy win without a number one overall draft pick?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the past past two weeks, he's proven that now.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, he he is a you know, you have you have these guys that are so far ahead of the curve, like, oh, you know what, man, my birthday's catching up with me.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh who was it, the great coach out of San Francisco that just oh Walsh.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: Walsh.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Bill Walsh.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: Then you have Ed Air Coriel, you have, you know, you have people that just can move the needle offensively and just get it going.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: And he was he's one of those guys that knows how to relegate, delegate.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: But when it comes to punching the right buttons offensively, man, he was running stuff, man.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: If I was playing safety or DB, you have a spinning in the head because you don't know, you don't you don't know where it's coming.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that that's what made the Bears good because throughout the years we were struggling at the head coach position, we were struggling at the offensive coordinator position, and you know, we were just struggling to try to find the identity.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we talk about it on Bears Banner all the time uh back in the day that that we the the plays wasn't mirroring up and you they wasn't being married.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're trying to run play action and we can't run the ball, and it doesn't make any sense.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: But you talked about you just talked about playing safety.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: Man, we got a steal of the draft in Thineman.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah, that boy at safety right now.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: He is one of the steals of the draft.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, one of the guys on Bears Banner, we always be talking about who's going to who do we think the Bears should get.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the guys early, uh Guy Moore has said, Man, we need to get this guy Thineman.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, we started doing some research on him, and it was like, all right, this dude's pretty good.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: And we got him, and he makes play after play after play.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you got him, and then you stole the boy on the offensive side, Luther.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um Luther Burton.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he is man, you you better check out his track.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he he got a short fuse and things of that nature.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: He's from the boogie, he's from the boogie, he's supposed to have a short fuse.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: I seen him.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: I try to be judicious when I'm talking about where people come from.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: From the boogie, he's from St.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: Louis, man.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, from St.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: Louis, he ain't playing.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, and he is, and to show you how it is, for whatever reason, uh uh Caleb has connected with him, and I think it's a bad now.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: This is strictly from my perceptual thing right here.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's something about the Caleb Adunze connection that just don't doesn't work, you know what I mean.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: I uh I don't know what it is or how it is, but Adunze got off with with Tyson the bad gent, you know, but you know, so the offense is so sophisticated that it it it just has every you have to really be uh an intelligent player to play in Ben Johnson's offense or you won't be or you won't be around long.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: I case in point, look what's happening up in uh um uh Detroit.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if everything's not in place, and it's nothing different up there.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: They i i I look at one main piece.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: They they let Montgomery go and they thought they can rely on Gibbs, it ain't happening.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: It ain't he's not that kind of player.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: So you can if you don't put the right pieces in the right places, like Ben is doing, or think about now, also think about this.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: Who was on the defensive side of that ball up there?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they doesn't get enough credit.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Aaron Glenn.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Aaron Glenn, yeah.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: Now, Aaron Glenn all of a sudden is getting these pieces together in the right place.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: He got a bad deal with all the craziness that was happening to him in that first year that just made him look so bad and incompetent that uh they find out who he really is now.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's he's he's doing a good job down there.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: He uh, you know, and I think Ben benefited of knowing some of his schemes, you know, they used to practice against each other.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, with the uh they they would practice against each other when they were in Detroit.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: So Ben kind of knew, but Ben is so sinister that he it's so funny that everybody said, Oh, Tyson Beja is gonna start this week.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: And Ben is so sinister that he started Case Keenum and Tyson Beijing just just basically as an F to everybody.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: That was a slick move.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was a real because he could have brought in uh uh uh Case Keenum and let him run one snap.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, oh yeah, you know, he the NFL could have said something, or after, especially when uh Beijing got 99% of the snaps.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: He brought up in both.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: You say, how you like me now?
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: That was that was the ultimate slap in the face to the NFL.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: And they, you know, he he I mean he got a lot of mocks even when he takes his shirt off and tell him, you know, he now I'm gonna I'm gonna see what he's gonna do next week or this upcoming week against Green Bay, because that's a different kind of animal.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it it doesn't matter.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter, as we all know.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: If you grew up here, you've been around this for a long enough time, you can throw you can throw records out the window, window.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: So it's gonna be interesting because especially after what happened last year, you know, uh up there where they just didn't want to get the bears any credit for for putting it on them last year.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: They're gonna be come, they're gonna come to play.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I think this, I think this may be get I think this game here in uh Green Bay maybe they get out of jail car, you know, as far as far that's the same, and I and then we got to go through Minnesota too, which I picked.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody got all over me, but I picked uh Minnesota.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: As soon as I found out they had Kayla Murray, Kyler Murray, I picked them to win the division.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, boy Brookshot.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna come back and win that, man.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: We just had an off game that game, and we had we had plenty of chances to win.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Ben didn't want to take the points.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we probably, you know, we had enough to get nine points to to actually tie the game.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: And Ben didn't kick a field goal here, didn't kick one there, and just trying to, you know, Ben sometimes his ego can get in the way of him coaching because he wants to rub you, he wants to rub you all the way down to the ground.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the leopard's not gonna change his spot.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what you all say.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: Come on, man.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: He tells me look, he said, like somebody would say, the coach has tendencies, and his tendency is to do what he's doing, it has gotten him where he is over this long period of time.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: He has uh excel not superseded what anybody thought.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: He's right on the same trajectory that everybody thought that he was gonna be on, and he's if he continues, he's gonna be in that Bill Walsh category.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: I guess it's Eric Coriel, who else name uh you got Carl Shanahan, Carl Shanahan, one of those great officers of mine is another good, yeah.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: He's gonna be he's gonna be right there, and Chicago, Chicago will be a place because of Caleb and what we all have, where you want to come play because you know you're gonna get paid.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: You in we're in a great media market, you know you're gonna get seen, and and things of that nature.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: So we have a lot now, a lot is gonna be dependent on um I had Cam on the Cam just called up Cam Buckner, that is uh state representative, you know, who's who's working fever, um, who's working feverishly um on this uh bear project, as I call it.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: If we pull that one out and get them to stay in Chicago, I predicted the bears are gonna be up at echelon uh for a while.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and and and man, major shout out to Cam Buckner, who actually, you know, a lot of stuff that was happening with us last week as far as referees and things of that that nature.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Cam was one of the people who got behind us and supported the referees and was sending you know correspondence down to the office, like why these people are not getting paid.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so major shout out to him.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh wasn't that powerful?
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: That was that was nobody asked him to do anything, you know.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: He saw a problem and just uh interjected and and shed his light on it with with the big stick, as I like to, as I like to say.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I, you know, I'm glad you all I'm glad you all uh um made it work, you know, because it'll it'll been a travesty and an injustice for those kids to suffer on grown folks, as you say, on grown folks' business.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, most of the time grown folks mess up the kids' game.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and that was one of the things, but you know, it's it's uh it's it's quite amazing when you're getting a phone call from the state rep at seven o'clock in the morning, you know what I'm saying?
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yo, what's going on?
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: When I saw it, I'm like, you know, why?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, because usually back in the day, when you're leaving the game, you're getting your check.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a lot of a lot of stuff has changed since then.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and a lot of people ask me, like, man, because you know, once again, like I stated last week on the podcast, CPS didn't owe me a dime, but I'm I'm the leader of the organization in which majority of these referees are in.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so now, as the leader of the organization, that puts me into motion and you know.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's not something that you really want to happen.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, I I walk around and I used to always, you know, you tease me all the time because I'd be like, nah, man, I'm just Mike.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just Mike.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: You like, no, boy, you doctor out.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, all right, yeah.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: But hey, hey, you know what?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: You're not a you're not a pregocious individual.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: And now you can tell when some people wear their accolades on their chest.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: This is who I am.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to the head of the line.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you don't know, you conversely do just the opposite.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: If you can blend in the background and stay in the background, that's where you'd be.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes I like to just be get your so-and-so up front, man, and and lead like he's supposed to.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not that you're not leading, but you just lead in a very, I'll say, tranquil kind of way, which you know, it works for some people and it doesn't.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: I, you know, and I commend you, I commend you for it because I know you can crack that whip when you got to.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I went I went to that uh affair you had out at Brother Rice, what I thought was really, really, was that 707?
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, we had a trainer for the for the representative.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: So that, yeah.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, you know, you you you you you say walk walk quiet and carry a big stick.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that that's that's who you are, man.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: I and I like guys like yourself.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: I told Cam on the other day, man, uh on the on the show, I said, Look, man, if some of you all get things done.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_02: And uh when there's so many people out here perpetrating fraud now or or or saying what who they were or what they did and things of that nature, uh and people look and say, No, no, you weren't.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_02: But you guys come from come from the public league, and that's another thing I really admire.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: You from Julian, Cam from Morgan Park, and things of that nature.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all, you you all feel it because I I was surprised to see how many uh players are opting to go play.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I have nothing wrong with this now, but how shredded public league football has gotten.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's almost devastating to me to, you know, when I hear of a once proud uh organization like Simeon fighting to get into the daggone playoffs, man.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's almost virtual unheard of and things of that nature.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, we kids need a kids need a place to go.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's almost like the Bear Bryant.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the Bear Bryant effect because kids that normally the Catholic League wouldn't have taken in prior years back, yeah, they're now going to the Catholic League.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you look at Brother Rice, uh, it's a bunch of brothers on Brother Rice.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's called Brother Rice for a reason.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's Brother Rice.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: Now, who would have thought that?
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you say Maris more than Brother Rice, or as much as Brother Rice.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a lot of black kids everywhere playing high school football, Mont Carmel.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: They got a bunch of them at Mont Carmel, you know, Rita, and a lot of these schools that didn't have them back in the day are now getting them and they're winning with them.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you know, it's in and those are the same kids that would go to a Simeon, Morgan Park, Julian, Hubbard.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what they I don't, I'm I'm you know what?
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't really, I'm not one of these people.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: I step back purposely.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: I never want anybody ever to say, oh man, he wants to do, you know, he can't let it go.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: I you know that's not that's not how I'm made.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you know, everybody has their place, everybody has their time, everybody has uh um uh, you know, have to move on.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like I said, gotta make way for the young folk.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, now I will say something if I see y'all doing something stupid.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, you know, I don't have any problems walking up to you and saying, hey man, you lost your mind, you know, or or some of the other people that I care about or I know um are open to suggestions, but uh yeah, you all got some work to do, man.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's kind of disheartening to us old guys to look around and see the the fruits of our labor just going out the back door.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: And trust me, I went to private schools, so it's not about you you have a choice, you know what I mean, sometimes an opportunity sometimes.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: I it's not about that, it's about the narrative behind why you leave, you know what I mean?
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: And that has to be uh it has to be a place where somebody said, Hey, look, man, when we let when we lace them up uh against this team, they coming with it.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's how I was back, you know, back when you were playing.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it was it was you knew when you stepped on that on that field just before you were playing, I say, because you came on on the TLA.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: JW had just pulled up good.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: I think.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Did you have JW or was he gone when you got there?
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, I was on his last team before.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_02: You on his last okay, right.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was on his last team before he left, and we was all sitting there like we had just won the pre bowl in '89, yeah.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: And we had a we had enough to go back, yeah, you know, under the under the system that uh that we used to run, and and all of a sudden he decided because he got into it with uh the principal, that he was done.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: I was there doing that whole thing.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_02: But but you think about think about the names of the great men.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: And like I said, we're talking about that that Hall of Fame class.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you had three of the greatest people I've ever met in my life, and all of them personal personalities were different.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_02: You had J JW Smith, who later became Dr.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_02: J.W.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: Smith, head of the whole Chicago Public League uh uh athletic uh department.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: You had the cerebral uh off the court, off the field, Roy Curry, you know, you know, and then you had that that the antagonist was Al Scott.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Glenn Johnson could just float with it and think, and those teams, uh uh then then the emergence of um uh Elton Harris, uh, who I say played a major part in kind of turning you know from marrying uh one generation to the next generation, you know.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_02: So it was man, I it was exciting going to games and and and uh and watching you young guys do what you did and and not only doing that, but striking fear in suburban teams, striking fear in Catholic teams, man.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: No, because when I first got to Chicago, the everybody was clamoring for that opening game against the public league team because that was a bye.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: That was a that was a stat game, and then uh about five, six years later, I think it was uh Chuck Chambers beat Sang Rita, then uh then Al Scott came behind and got uh Mount Carmel, and then the teams just things just started going and going and going.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so Tuck Chambers was our receiver coach at Julian when I was there.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: When I first got to Julian, he was our receiver coach, and he ended up going to CBS.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, and so two other names that was on that that hall of fame class you in, one of them you mentioned, Lexi Spurlock, and the other is the great Terry Lewis.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness gracious, Terry Lewis.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know what you know when I think of Spurlock, those two those two guys, it's kind of very interesting because Spurlock was probably the last one of those guys that got a job.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was the last one of those guys that got a job, and then when he got that job with um Cam Buckner played for him, uh things at Brookshire, Keith Brookshire was on his staff, was the assistant head coach on his staff who's now at Corless.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: But he was the last one, but then he put on a probably about a 10-year run, if not maybe 15-year run, that was second to none.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_02: But he was but he was always somebody's assistant for probably his first 15 years, you know.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he was Coach Curry's assistant for a while, yeah.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then but before that, um it was with Alsace.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: With Simeon, yep, and Simeon, yeah.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: He was he was with I told you I know my history, man.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: I know my history.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm I'm checking you out, Young Fell.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: Then he went over to the cyborg, and that was his first head coaching job over over at this.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_02: Now, Terry Lewis, to show you how the public league was, Terry was my guy.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: I enjoy going over to Hopper and watching him play because he probably had the first really awesome quarterback that I saw, and that was uh Ken.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness gracious, I can't think of his name.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um Kenneth somebody, but you know, that was like in the early 80s, but that boy could sling it.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: But Terry, what I used to love about the coaches then, I don't know about now because I can't speak to that, yeah, but everybody had a specialty.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: You did not want to play the great Lonnie Williams, you did not want to play against a Lonnie Williams team because it was it was bone crushing time.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: He ran some defenses that would hurt you.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know, yeah, Terry Lewis was a master at the specialty team.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_02: Terry Case probably ran more kickoffs and punt returns back than anybody in Chicago public league.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: JW and and Roy Curry just were were grinders.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I actually thought JW if you Roy Curry probably had the the first public league team.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: I I say I put an asterisk behind it because they should have won the game that they lost in '82.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that would have been the first team.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then the uh and the same thing that happened with uh uh Dr.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_02: JW Smith, I think that was 86th when with Terrence.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um who was Terrence's last name?
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_02: Terrence uh Garfield.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: And they oh Torrance, Torrance Garfield.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: So Torrance was the quarterback when I played uh my sophomore year.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah, okay.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: They had they had a crew and they and they had they had a uh a receiver.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think that was Torrance was the freshman, they had a receiver on that team that that was went to Mr.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_02: Howard.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_02: Brian Howard Boy, you helping me out, boy.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_01: Hey man, hey, listen, I told you I know this stuff, man.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, I was a freshman when Brian was a senior.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: He died uh some years back, but he was a he was a bad boy.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: So when I got to Julian, I was the one who changed the because Brian won number one.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: So the best receiver at Julian always won number one.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and when it was my time to wear number one, I said, Man, I'm not wearing that number after Brian.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man, that number, yeah.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: And both people, yeah, and Brian, when they they were playing Washington, I was at the game last year.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: And he got yeah, that was the game he busted his ankle up.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, boy, JW went crazy in that game.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: But like I said, man, it's um the we got so much to be going on in in this city right now.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: Chicago, I forgot what the organization voted Chicago is the number one tourist city of the United States, despite what many people be thinking, you know, we got uh we got the socks, we got the socks rolling, we got the cubs coming back, you know.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, the Cubs, not so much, man.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: You see this guy right here?
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's 2005, man.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, hey, I was gonna talk about that, man.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: The Sox are one game away from winning the uh the divisional championship against Cleveland.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: They got three more games to go.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: All they gotta do is one more one more game, and they'll play for the American League pennant against uh Tampa Bay or the Yankees.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_02: Anything it looked like it's gonna be Tampa Bay, which means they got shot, you know.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_02: But these young kids, man, man, I'll say this.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: I am man, I'm a I'm a socks guy, ain't no if-ands, and I'm I'm a socks guy from the time I got here, and one of the first interviews I had uh when I got here, and I think this was probably about 78, was with the legendary Bill Vec.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then I had an interview with Bill Beck, and it was supposed to be a half an hour.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_02: I stayed with Bill Beck for about three hours.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: And Bill Vec had to be 78 in 78, was he?
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Man, what's it now?
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: Bill Vick had to be 78 in 78.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: Man, he Bill Beck was so special and engaging and things of that nature.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it I kept on.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_02: I was uh I'm not gonna say as a young fellow, I'm a young fellow myself, but I'm saying man, I was kind of a little apprehensive.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_02: And man, he made me feel so at home, took me all through the dugouts, introduced me to players, you know.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it was it was just it was I actually I was doing a side piece for BET at the time, you know, the BET sports, and that was cool.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_02: But hey man, I I love what you're doing.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_02: I uh uh I uh I always admire you from afar and and how you're handling yourself and conducting uh your business and things of that nature.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_02: But um uh you one of the people that uh I'll say young people that really knows Chicago history, you know what I mean?
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that's something, man, that uh it's I was fortunate enough when I got here to uh run into two Chicago, two Chicago legends kind of took me under the wing in basketball, and that was the the um coach of De Sabo, uh great Jim Brown.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then when uh then when uh Larry Hawkins found out I was talking to Jim Brown, a new Jim Brown, he came, he came in and just said, Hey man, don't forget about me.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_02: I knew Al Scott, a sister, went to Central State, was a cheerleader at Central State, and she said, When you come to Chicago, you said, make sure you look up Al.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_02: She used to give a big party every every every year.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_02: Al Scott, Gloucester Richardson, Willie Homan, all the bear who went to central state and Jackson State and Alcorn, they would all come down.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a little, I'm a shorty now.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm out there catching passes for the Al and Gloucester.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_02: So I had a connection with Chicago that that was second, it it's you got your you got your home and you got your adopted home, and Chicago is my adopted hometown.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I got one more thing.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, just one, well, two two things, and then we're gonna get up out of here.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: But this weekend, I always do a feature game.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_01: I do a featured game of the week.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and this week is the King Jaguars, who are the upstart team with Coach Abdullah Asad, who played for Lexi Sperlite at Morgan Park, yeah, and they will be playing Morgan Park and Chris James, and this is the battle for the conference.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: The battle for the conference.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not surprised at Morgan Park, but I am surprised at uh and and it's it's funny how life goes.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_02: The three of you all um uh you on my all-city team.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Chris James was on my all all city team, and Abdullah was on my uh all city team.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_02: Plus, a lot of people don't a lot of people don't know that Abdullah's grandfather is in this state hall of fame, the great Bills.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh what school did he coach at?
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_02: Julian, one of the you dogs all right he did.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_02: You got dogs all right, he did.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_02: But it's funny as looking.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: I talked to him last week when everything was going on, and uh, you know, he said he all if you was a jaguar, he addresses you as hey Jaguar, what's going on, Jaguar?
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, hey Jaguar, and and I respect him so much, man.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: Love that man because he he is really about forming and transforming lives, and he's standing right next to his grandson, and they built that that program up and they they call it something special on Drexel.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: And uh Abdullah and beat uh they beat St.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: Lawrence, they beat St.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: Lawrence early in the year, then they beat Simeon.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: So this is gonna be the battle for the conference here on Saturday, 11 o'clock Lane Tech Stadium.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh man, that's gonna be something to watch.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I wish both of them will.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_01: They both played at Morgan Park in different eras.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_02: Why do they gotta why is it all the way up in the lane instead of the gately?
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but Gailey is down right now.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: Gailey is there.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, they they man, they put up a brand new almost jumbo tron scoreboard at Gailey.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: Gailey gonna be something when they come back, but it's just not playing this game.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's still turf.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: They redid the turf.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: They did some uh some man, they did some stuff.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: The scoreboard is not it's on the other side now, and it's a very big old, big old school board now.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it's uh the scoreboard is south, man.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_02: What you're telling me, then right?
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: The scoreboard is still on the south side, but it's on the east, it's in the east corner instead of the southwest corner.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's just on the other, it's on the visitor side.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, when you walk in on on uh from the parking lot over there.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: But it's something to see, man.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it they have they put some money into that thing.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably where the referee money was at.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_01: When uh shit, we're trying to get trying to get the referee to pay.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_02: They probably said y'all already got deep pockets, man.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_02: So we're getting it.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_02: We'll catch you.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_02: But like I said, man, it was it was it was great that you all were able to settle that this um minor, I call it a minor dispute, you know, in in terms, but man, you uh you um, you know, like like I told you, when you got the right people at the fore, then things happen positively and they happen with expediency.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_02: And that's uh that's something I commend you for.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_02: I told I told Cam, and this was strictly unsolicited off the record.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_02: I said, before I close my eyes, I want you sitting in that big seat, you know, and I think that's where that's where he belongs because he's that he's that type of uh has that type of magnetism, and he has that type of uh uh uh tenacity and connections with with grassroots people that he that that's that's where that's where he belongs in my heart, and he has all the credentials.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: I love it when you got both of you all, you know.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_02: Who would think, I mean, two the two of the young man, I can jack you all up just because, you know.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, it just kills me, man, when I see you all man being who you are and and and and and leading the charges.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_02: And Cam came on the show the other day yesterday, and he said, Man, I I call decided to call in so you couldn't cuss me out.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was hey hey, hey, let me tell you something.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: Let's remember this phrase here.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: All great men are members of a mega sapphire.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: You see, that you know, we're just having a good conversation.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: All great men are members of Omega Sapphire.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I I I I I believe people should roll with who they want to roll with, be who they're supposed to be with, and uh you know we just different, we just different individuals.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, we just different, and you always are in the front, and y'all can't do nothing quiet.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's all I was saying.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you know, hey, hey, the the the the the bros, man, we we always are standing in front, uh no matter what.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_01: Even we in the back of the line, we still in the front.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: We just turn the line around.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_02: I will say this, and you know, it's cyclatory because noobs ran it for so long.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_02: I I'll I'll I'll say this, I'll say this like this.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's y'all turn, and I don't have any problem saying that.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you bobby, uh Cam, uh yourself.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like I said, said yourself, you can go down the you can go down the line, and it's it's the pendulum is swung y'all way, you know what I mean?
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: And as long as y'all don't blow it, you know what I mean?
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_02: Because you know we can't blow it.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: We I mean you you look at the people that you we we just not gonna blow it.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_01: Any let me let me get to my last point because it's right.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: So uh hey Nutty, can you put up the uh the thing about the referees here?
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh behind the scenes, y'all is my executive producer, but not Muhammad, who is the host of Bears Banter Talk Show.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: So the NFL suspended two referees today, okay line judge Jeff uh Seaman and the referee uh Adrian Hill.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think that this is a bad move because there's gotta be some banter between the players and the referees, but there is a line.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so what I'm what I mean by that line is that okay, you say something to me, I say something back, and we leave it there.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, if we keep going back and forth, then there's something that could be done, uh it could be a penalty.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_01: But if the ref chooses not to throw a penalty and to say something back, then how are you how are you suspending these guys?
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_01: And and they are the they are the uh you know the the the sole authority of the game.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm I'm gonna tell you how.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna tell you quite easy.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_02: There was a time when I was as a reporter and I was approached, you know, let's say, for instance, I didn't have somebody on the all-city team, or I didn't have somebody, you know, somebody thought that they were supposed to be on their kid.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there was a time when if you approached me wrong, I was gonna come back at you the same way you gave it to me.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_02: Until until I was brought in that office and said there's a higher standard.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: I was in, I was in a I can also tell you another incident where.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody came at me physically.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_02: Now don't let this smile and these uh this paper in my pocket fool you because I'll let you know where I came from.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll never forget that.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_02: I was called in the office once again.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_02: I said he came at me.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_02: He said, Did he hit you?
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_02: I said, no, because I ducked.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_02: He said, Well, next time let next time let him hit you.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_02: So what I'm saying, what I'm saying is it's a proverbial as men, we know that there's a proverbial line.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_02: You mentioned it yourself.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_02: There's a proverbial line in the sand that you cannot cross in anything that you do that tends to if you're in a certain position.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you can't with the PhD, you can't act like you on the block in certain in most circumstances.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_02: But when you out here with your boys, you know, you can cut the food, do what you want to do.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_02: I really thought, I really thought it was something petty in terms of with the referees that they lost their coup, but I didn't think that they were gonna be suspended.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: I thought maybe they'd be re reprimanded, chastised a little bit, and they moved on.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they should have lost money over that incident because now I didn't really see they you know they lost their cool because it was nothing done intentional.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_02: Something just transpired and things like that.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_02: So they could have been reprimanded.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the the uh the league just thought we had to um tell them something, uh this won't be tolerated, and we move on.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that was like uh like my like like my grandma used to say, man, you're trying to kill an ant with a sludge hammer.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, so yeah.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I thought that was in bad taste, you know, as you as you said, and it didn't have to happen, but not because of what happened.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think the way it was handled, it was handled and they moved they moved on because the guy got in his the uh what was it uh the first one, um, not seamen.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_02: What was the other guy's name?
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Adrian Hill.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_02: Adrian Hill, his feelings just got hurt, you know what I mean?
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you want guys to be in a barbaric game as as uh as as what uh dust fairies or something?
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like what are we doing here?
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: This is a barbaric game.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_01: You play sports.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't you play corner?
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_01: I played corner, yeah.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, hold on, right there.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_02: Right, you play corner now.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_02: When I play and you can't cross the middle, I took your head off.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_02: The rules have changed.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_02: You got you have to have a certain degree as a cornerback, as a safety, that you have to implement a degree of empathy and discipline now.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_02: I try to we tried, we used to call him coaches tell us, hey, give him a slobernacker, you know, or something.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you just got your bell rung.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that that stuff went out with the jerk, man.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_02: The game is kind of the game has changed, and it's it's a degree of decorum and things that go along with it now that starts at the very top.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, hey, I want to.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: This is my last segment of the show.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: I need to bring Nuddy in here for this part of the show.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_01: This is my favorite part of the show.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: We award the Rudy Pooh Candy ass award.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: Nuddy, this week, this week, the Rudy Pooh Candy Ass Award goes to the NFM.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_01: You are going to suspend these two referees, and what you're gonna do now is open up the game because now referees aren't gonna talk back, they're gonna talk with 15 yard penalties and you're gonna mess the game up.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because now I thought you were holding me on the line because you was gonna sneak me out with one.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, hey, if you if you're going to do that, you're gonna open up the floodgates for more 15 yard on sportsman-like penalties.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you're gonna do.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's what you call a short fuse, right?
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: So I I I can see it working both ways.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean if I can't say anything back, something to me, okay.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Boom, I'm gonna bank.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because now you the league told me I can't say nothing back.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now I just gotta speak with the flag and say, Yeah, well, he called me an MF and SOB.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't say nothing back because you suspended the other guy.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, all that's going out the window now.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_02: All that's going out the window now.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_02: You're not gonna have that degree of uh what I call that male testosterone going and saying, Hey man, you say what you guys say, I say what I say, and we move on.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_02: And it's over.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_02: You said you said what?
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, damn.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so you say something to me, so you're gonna lose money, you know.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just yeah, you say something to me, I say something back, it's over.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_02: And we keep on and we keep on moving, man.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, yeah.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to say this to to uh to the both of you all, man.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh uh uh senior show.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_02: I usually I'm usually down on Tuesdays, guys.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like I said, I do this because of uh because of you all.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh uh thoroughly, I thought I was gonna be on about 10 minutes, 15 minutes.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_02: Nah, man.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_02: Can't come on here for no 10 minutes, man.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_02: I thoroughly enjoy it, man.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you know, your platform is is great.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_02: You need more uh, you know, you need to just enhance it and just keep moving, man.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_02: Because you got you onto something that speaks from the heart, you know your history, you do an excellent job producing the show, no glitches and things of that nature.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, like I said, I just want to personally commend you all for what you're doing, the way you're doing it, this uh, and just keep on.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_02: I still can't think this knucklehead is doing what he's doing, man.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_02: It drives me crazy every time I see it.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_02: I love it, man.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and I admire both of you all.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Hey Travis, thank you so much uh for sharing so much history.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know what the basketball thing really got me because I, you know, I'm a football guy.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_00: And as you were talking, you know, I thought about some of the guys.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_00: I grew up right across the street from Robinson, but I went to Limblown okay, and I was thinking about guys that I look up to like y'all had a great folks over there, too.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love I love Limblom.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_02: I just say you all had a great little program over there as well.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_02: And it's the next time or if I ever come on again, we could talk, we can talk some football.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_02: Because if I told you who I thought was the best player that I ever saw, I guarantee you neither one of you all would know who he was.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_02: And his name was Yammo Green.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, his name was Yammo Green from Mather, man.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Come on from Mather, bro.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_01: 94.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_01: Cut it out, Clyde.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_01: I know the history of this thing, man.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa, number 32.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_01: I got 42.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, y'all, Yarmo Green probably was the baddest boy I ever saw playing football in terms of from a back standpoint that I ever saw.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it's so many other great players and stuff like that, man.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_02: But anytime you guys uh want to invite me on again, and uh it ain't past my bedtime.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_02: I definitely uh I'll definitely be up there, man.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: So you all you all before we go, tell the people where they can hear you at ondays.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_02: Hey man, Monday nights, man, Clyde Travis and company, we have a blast just like we have it right now.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's WBON 1698 and we do it from 9 to 11, and then you I do a rebroadcast of one of my previous shows.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, like I said, I you know I've had some of the some guys throughout the country that you'd be surprised, man, to just come on that little station and just we just enjoy it like you never heard it before.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_02: And um, like I said, tune us in, man.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_02: We do the same thing the same way, and you can call in, you can do whatever you want to do, man.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_02: But we this is what we need in our community right here, different venues they give it to you straight with no chase.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, just so you know, this is a good idea.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_00: I I want oh, yeah, I do want to mention that you know, with you going sharing so many stories tomorrow night on the same station.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna rebroadcast an interview that we did maybe about two years ago with the great Rocky Harvey that played for uh Phillips and you dunbar Dunbar Dunbar Dunbar.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, Dunbar.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's saying Phillips, but yeah, Dunbar.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_02: So we rocky Harvey broadcast that Rob Harvey Rocky Harvey and Charles Frazier were two of the baddest boys that ever played.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I remember both of them when they played it uh over with the what's the name of the team, a little small five team over in Englewood.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_02: I remember seeing them in the and the little turkey bowl, but Rocky Harvey, yeah, over in Ogden Park, over in Ogden Park, Rocky Harvey, and I can say this, did something I'll never forget.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_02: I was sitting in Gately Stadium.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna leave y'all with you.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was sitting in Gately Stadium and they were playing Loyola, they were getting ready to play Loyola, and I'm sitting there, they knew who I was, and they and uh Dunbar was playing somebody, and it was Rocky Harvey, Scott Peterson, whatever.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Scott, what is Scott's name?
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_02: Whoever's his running back, they said, Well, they just ain't got no Catholic League coaching.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, no Catholic League hits put on them.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he ain't gonna be running like that.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_02: And Rocky tore the lining out of him.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'll never that's one of the games I'll never forget, man.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_02: They just they set it off.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_02: But you guys have a good one.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, I guess hey, with all that being said, tune in next time.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you check out the the weekly schedule of Bears Banner TV uh talk show this week.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: We got uh high school football legends tomorrow, uh the two-minute drill on Thursday.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_01: We got uh we got uh Bears Banner, the pre-game show on Friday, Bears Gun Bears Banner postgame show on Sunday, and with that, peace.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_00: See ya, I'm gonna go to the house.