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Snakes on a Plane · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bechdecast, the questions asked if movies have women
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  Speaker 1: and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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  Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zeph and Best
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  Speaker 1: start changing with the Bechdel Cast.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Jamie, Hey Caitlin, I have had it with these
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  Speaker 2: motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I had a snake really like that. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I have a snake tank.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I went through my snake face and then I
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  Speaker 1: just it turns out I'm afraid of snakes.
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  Speaker 2: I too, am afraid of snakes. I would not want
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  Speaker 2: one as a pet personally.
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  Speaker 1: Friend of the show, Maggie Maye, this is gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a loose episode, but it's also gonna be a very
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  Speaker 1: serious episode.
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  Speaker 2: It's so serious.
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  Speaker 1: Don't underestimate how much text there is to discuss. Maggie
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  Speaker 1: may Fish front of the show has a snake, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and her snake outgrew the tank, which is a terrifying prospect.
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  Speaker 1: IUSSI believe your snake is named Jeff. That's in which
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  Speaker 1: I think is very cute.
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  Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff a snake and she was like, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff outgrew the tank. If you want, if you want
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  Speaker 1: the old tank, and so I still have the tank.
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  Speaker 1: I still but now it's like I have two cats
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  Speaker 1: and adult you know, like, am I really gonna add
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  Speaker 1: a snake into the mix? It just feels like a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a big apartment. According to the
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  Speaker 2: movie where watching we're discussing today might be dangerous, it
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  Speaker 2: might be a little scary.
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  Speaker 1: I was honestly, Okay, first of all, welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Bechdel Cast. This is uh, this is in like sort
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  Speaker 1: of for like content warning, and just like I just
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  Speaker 1: want everyone to sort of prepare themselves for like a
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  Speaker 1: sort of serious episode today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of like just upsetting things to discuss.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot it's yeah, things are gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: little grim yeah today.
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  Speaker 1: And it's it's gonna be you know, it's not gonna
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  Speaker 1: feel good. But I think it's a conversation that I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's over correction to apologize, but
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we've been avoiding this conversation in a
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  Speaker 1: way that is irresponsible to our listener base, who like,
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  Speaker 1: we appreciate and we care about you so much, and
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  Speaker 1: like you've been asking us to sort of speak to this,
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  Speaker 1: and we were just like trying to get the words together.
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  Speaker 2: And it's, yeah, we we should not have been silent
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  Speaker 2: on this matter, this matter being discussing the movie Snakes
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  Speaker 2: on a Plane two.
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  Speaker 1: Thousand and six. I'm like, I don't I'm like, how long?
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  Speaker 1: How long do we keep it up?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh, I should not be laughing. He sound like
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  Speaker 2: you're truk serious.
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  Speaker 1: It's not funny.
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  Speaker 2: It's not funny.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess to open with an apology, and it
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  Speaker 1: came from a place of kind of I agree with
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  Speaker 1: the criticism that said that it was coming from a
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  Speaker 1: place of fear and avoidance on our point, but in
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  Speaker 1: our defense, I think it was also like, yeah, when
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  Speaker 1: people started asking us to comment on this, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think we knew ourselves well enough to really be able
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  Speaker 1: to intelligently say, like, if we had done this, even
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  Speaker 1: you know, three or four years ago, I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: been able to see the shades of gray in the text.
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  Speaker 1: I would have gotten it all wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe even three or four months ago. Like there's been
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  Speaker 2: a lot of growth recently on our parts. I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know.
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  Speaker 1: If we could have seen the snakes three or four
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  Speaker 1: of months ago, the movie would have been really confusing
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  Speaker 1: if we saw the.
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  Speaker 2: Movie is called Snakes on a Plane, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: see right. But now we know what is there, and
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  Speaker 2: what's there is snakes on a plane, and certainly.
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  Speaker 1: More than one.
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  Speaker 2: There's plural snakes a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I was genuinely shocked to find that there were four
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty real snakes on set.
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  Speaker 2: Because to me, they're all cgi.
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  Speaker 1: I saw one shot of a I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's a snake, and then the rest were yeah, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know whatever. My final animation project in college of
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  Speaker 1: a snake going hasasa. That's this, Uh, of course this movie.
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  Speaker 2: Look, you asked for it, Well, that's the other thing, Like,
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  Speaker 2: this is our number one request. Yes, this is at
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  Speaker 2: the top of our request list. I think every listener
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  Speaker 2: at one point has requested, nay demanded, we do this movie.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, and I think, and it's honestly, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: for those wondering, in case it's not obvious, this is
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  Speaker 1: part of the reason we like the show even exists.
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  Speaker 2: I approached Jamie like, yeah, eight and a half nine
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  Speaker 2: years ago whatever, and I was like, yeah, it's really
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  Speaker 2: important to me. Like we're not going to be ready
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  Speaker 2: to do it for a long time, but it's like
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  Speaker 2: having having the foresight to know that like this needs
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  Speaker 2: to be discussed through an intersectional feminist lens, and that
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  Speaker 2: we have to just sort of build up, build up
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  Speaker 2: our brand, yeah, build up our knowledge, and get to
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  Speaker 2: a point where we can discuss this movie.
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  Speaker 1: And I was kind of like, honestly taken aback at
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  Speaker 1: the time, where you know, you led the conversation by
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  Speaker 1: being like, I have not heard anyone talk about intersectional
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  Speaker 1: feminism in which is wild because we didn't even really
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  Speaker 1: use that term then, but yeah, intersectional feminism in the
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  Speaker 1: movie Snakes on a plane, right, And I was like, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: well we should try to talk about it. And then
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  Speaker 1: you said well and then you put your hand on mine,
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  Speaker 1: which was was you didn't ask for consent. But it
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  Speaker 1: was twenty sixteen. We were still figured stuff up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Jamie not, you know, we were viving the signals,
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  Speaker 2: were there were signals you're vibing.
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  Speaker 1: We were look, I'm not I'm not calling you. I
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  Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: For a second.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, But yeah, you put your hand on mine
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  Speaker 1: and you said, well, I don't think we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be ready to talk about snakes on a plane for
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  Speaker 1: at least eight years. And I was kind of taken
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  Speaker 1: aback because that's a big commitment. But yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't regret a second of it. I think that
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  Speaker 1: we needed every single second to get to where we
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  Speaker 1: are now, so that we I mean, honestly, I think
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  Speaker 1: we could have taken even longer, but it was just
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  Speaker 1: you know, our inboxes are overflowing. They're like now more
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  Speaker 1: than ever, please please talk about it. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's time. I think it's time that we talk about
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  Speaker 1: it's times.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing about it too is that like,
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  Speaker 2: because this whole podcast has been leading up to this,
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  Speaker 2: there's like really not much reason for us to go on.
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  Speaker 2: So this will be our last episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so if you've been a listener for you know,
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  Speaker 1: the better part of a decade now, like we're so
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  Speaker 1: grateful for your support for your patients with us as
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  Speaker 1: we continue to grow to a point where we could
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  Speaker 1: finally have this discussion, and.
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  Speaker 2: We're grateful and were snake ful. That was not a
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  Speaker 2: very good joke, but again, this is a very serious episode.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's you need levity in an episode like this,
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  Speaker 1: That's true, true, I feel like I'm on the verge
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  Speaker 1: of tears. But you know, for old times sake, if
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  Speaker 1: you're a first time listener, this is the perfect episode
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  Speaker 1: of this show to start with.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Bechdel caste sorry again, sorry to laugh.
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  Speaker 1: It's a response to fear. It's exactly wild that people
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  Speaker 1: aren't laughing more in the movies. Snakes up way, I
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  Speaker 1: think I do mean that. But the Bechdel Cast it's
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  Speaker 1: a show where we look at your favorite movies, you know,
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  Speaker 1: using the Bechdel test as a jumping off point for discussion. Kaitlyn,
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  Speaker 1: I mean just as a sendoff, would like the folks
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  Speaker 1: at home know what that is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't modify it a little bit for the
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  Speaker 2: sake of this episode. So the Bechdel tests, there are
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  Speaker 2: many versions of it. For this episode in particular, do
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  Speaker 2: to snakes hiss at each other about something other than
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  Speaker 2: another snake, and it has to be a really significant
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  Speaker 2: like hiss for it to pass. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I felt like, you know, by that matric,
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  Speaker 1: and shockingly by even more conventional metrics. This movie does
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  Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel's House and more than once, which was frankly.
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  Speaker 2: Shocking, so shocking.
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  Speaker 1: But I do I feel ready to I just feel ready.
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  Speaker 1: I feel ready to jump in.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's your what's your relationship with this movie? Jamie?
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  Speaker 1: Nothing. I have no history of this movie. I remember
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  Speaker 1: that it came out on my birthday when I was
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  Speaker 1: in middle school. WHOA, yeah, it just came out on
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  Speaker 1: August eighteenth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it did.
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  Speaker 1: It came out on my birthday in middle school, and
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  Speaker 1: I remember wanting to see it, but unfortunately I was
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  Speaker 1: in middle school and I could not go see it.
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  Speaker 1: And I just remember, I don't know if I like
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  Speaker 1: held it against the movie, but I never saw it.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was just like, fuck this movie. I'm thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: I can't go. And it's always like I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I always remember when a movie, especially when I was young,
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  Speaker 1: came out on my birthday, Because The Master of Disguise
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  Speaker 1: came out on my birthday, The Iron Giant came out
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  Speaker 1: on my birthday, Snakes on a Plane came out on
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  Speaker 1: my birthday. You just remember, you know, when your birthdays
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  Speaker 1: on a Friday. These are things that stick. Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember a specific movie coming out on your birthday.
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  Speaker 2: I think the movie Troy WHOA Okay came out on
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  Speaker 2: my birthday, but I might be full of shit. Let
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  Speaker 2: me see Troy release date. Oh it was closed. It
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  Speaker 2: was May fourteenth, Okay, two thousand and four. There you go,
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  Speaker 2: so a few days off, but it's like it came out.
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  Speaker 1: The week and you just remember, especially when you're too
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  Speaker 1: young to see the movie. This was the ultimate example
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  Speaker 1: of this for me, because you know, did The Master
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  Speaker 1: of Disguise come out at least close to my birthday? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: but I was the Targe audience and so I could go.
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  Speaker 1: But Snake's on a Plane, Yeah, I just had never
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  Speaker 1: seen it.
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  Speaker 2: And well, I think another reason you were avoiding it
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  Speaker 2: probably is because it is such a heavy text and you.
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  Speaker 1: Could sense that from the marketing, and so I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, probably you know, I love my parents, They
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  Speaker 1: were great parents, and I think they were probably like,
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  Speaker 1: she's not ready, And honestly, at that time they may
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  Speaker 1: not have been ready to see I mean fair what
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  Speaker 1: took place. I will say, this is my first experience
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  Speaker 1: with Snakes on a Plane. I was really genuinely interested
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  Speaker 1: in the like micro lore around this movie that I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't aware of because it's like, yeah, my other podcast
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  Speaker 1: is all about internet history, and this movie was is
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  Speaker 1: way more entrenched in like early two thousands internet history
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  Speaker 1: than I realized, and in fact, like content in the
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  Speaker 1: movie is influenced by how people talked about this movie
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  Speaker 1: on the Internet, which I can't I'm sure that there
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  Speaker 1: are examples, but I can't think of an example pre
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  Speaker 1: dating this where it was like the movie got such
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  Speaker 1: hype on the Internet that they went back and did
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  Speaker 1: five days of reshoots to reflect that hype, which is
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  Speaker 1: like the level of insecurity that must require I can't conceive.
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  Speaker 1: But at the time, I'm sure it made sense of
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  Speaker 1: like because you know, in the mid two thousands, they're like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, if we you know, capitulate to fan desires,
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  Speaker 1: this movie's going to do great. And that mentality happens
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  Speaker 1: to this day. It's why the last Star Wars movie
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  Speaker 1: was bad. I'm pretty sure, right, it's because people just like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all the Star Wars people read Reddit boards
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, let's just do that, and like,
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  Speaker 1: but Snake's on a Plane is a great case study
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  Speaker 1: that that does not work. But I just I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed learning about the fact that this movie exists.
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  Speaker 1: I really, I mean there and it is an interesting
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  Speaker 1: like it's really two thousand and six. It's just two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six. Boy is it always good and bad?
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  Speaker 1: And ways I can finally see after you know, doing
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  Speaker 1: the show for a decade, I like, I can really
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  Speaker 1: get into the meat of this right. And look, we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about this before we started recording. If the
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  Speaker 1: goal of a movie is to be entertaining, this is
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  Speaker 1: the best movie in the world, because there is not
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  Speaker 1: a second where I wasn't like i' it really took
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  Speaker 1: me back to I'm trying to remember. I think it
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: was like Taken was the last time that I felt
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  Speaker 1: like this watching a movie for the first time because
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  Speaker 1: I was in but I was in a full theater.
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  Speaker 1: I saw Taken when it came out.
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  Speaker 2: Brag.
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  Speaker 1: But you know where whenever something happened, you would just
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  Speaker 1: be like what, like, you know, would you say you
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  Speaker 1: were taken?
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  Speaker 2: Aback?
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  Speaker 1: I was taken in?
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  Speaker 2: Were you snaken a back?
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  Speaker 1: I was? I was snaken in? I was snaken the back?
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  Speaker 1: I was snaken to another place?
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  Speaker 2: Can you snake me higher?
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  Speaker 1: You win?
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  Speaker 2: You win, you win, that's you win. Remember that Creed
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  Speaker 2: song I do.
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  Speaker 1: Uh wow, now we're really in two thousand and six. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but like watching this at home on Peacock at one
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  Speaker 1: am is how this movie is best watched outside of
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  Speaker 1: in a full theater. In two thousand and six, I
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  Speaker 1: had the best time watching this damn movie.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad to hear that. Because I was watching it,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, I I might owe Jamie
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  Speaker 2: an apology for insisting not necessary do this. But I
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  Speaker 2: was only doing it because because all the listeners again
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  Speaker 2: demanded we we cover this. It had nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with my personal no desire to cover this.
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  Speaker 1: No, absolutely not, and I but no, no, no, you
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  Speaker 1: know I think that it's it was brave of you
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  Speaker 1: to because I took some convincing. But I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 1: so glad that we finally took the leap. What's your
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  Speaker 1: history with Snakes a Plane?
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  Speaker 2: I saw this movie in theaters jealous in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and six. I went with my best friend at and
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  Speaker 2: oh boy, we we just had quite a time, and
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  Speaker 2: we had an even better time. I think with the
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  Speaker 2: credits song the.
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  Speaker 1: Wait tell me more, basically just.
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  Speaker 2: That we would play it all the time, okay, and
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  Speaker 2: kind of your I Frankensteed, Yeah, it might be. I
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  Speaker 2: watched the video to the Cobra Starship song Oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: that was written for this movie, and the song is
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  Speaker 2: called Snakes on a Plane parentheses bring it. I think
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  Speaker 2: I should know because I listened to it. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: but I just thought it was the best song of
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and six, and I watched the music video
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  Speaker 2: on repeat. I also had like a crush everybody in
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  Speaker 2: the video.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, what was the music video? Like I this is Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm out of my depth here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have not seen the to you
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  Speaker 2: to make sure they start.
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  Speaker 1: Playing music video? Should I pull it up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe it is. Basically I watch it's four members
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  Speaker 2: of Cobra Starship.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, and what was their big was their big hit?
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Good Girls Go Bad? Or Am I thinking of a
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  Speaker 1: different I make them good?
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  Speaker 2: Literally only know about this band in relation to this song.
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  Speaker 1: I'm right. Oh, I kind of hate that. I'm right.
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  Speaker 1: They Yeah, they did Good Girls Go Bad?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, the music video is just the members of
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  Speaker 2: the ban because I think there's been various members of
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  Speaker 2: this musical group. The Ones featured in the music video
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  Speaker 2: is Gabe Support of William Beckett of the Academy, is
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  Speaker 2: Traviy McCoy of Jim Class Here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Travy McCoy. Yeah, sorry, I love Taving McCoy.
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  Speaker 2: And then Maya iverson of the sounds. Not familiar with
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  Speaker 2: that group, but anyway, it's like this amalgamation of different
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  Speaker 2: musicians from different other bands.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm oh, so it's Cobra Starship is a supergroup.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I didn't. I don't know anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it either.
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  Speaker 1: I just knew they were on like the Gossip Girl
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  Speaker 1: sidetrack or something. Okay, so I'm watching it on mute
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  Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I'm getting the side part vibes, the
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: side part vibes, the wallet chains. Yeah, everyone's killing it. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I love young Travy McCoy. I don't know anything about
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  Speaker 1: him from the last fifteen years. Hopefully he is in
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  Speaker 1: a bad person, but you know, with two thousand and six,
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  Speaker 1: we just don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We just simply we just don't know. Anyway. Wait, this
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  Speaker 2: music video is fun and the song slaps so hard.
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  Speaker 1: All the outfits are so ugly. Everyone, I mean It's
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: so wild looking back to it, because like, just this
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  Speaker 1: whole decade is just full of some of the most rancid,
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  Speaker 1: bizarro ways you could possibly dress up a person. I
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: look at pictures of myself in high school, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, why do I look older than I currently am?
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  Speaker 1: Like I was wearing you know, like sensible vests, but
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: also like a push up bra that was like lying
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: to a degree that was absurd. Like I it was
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I had like really overplugged eyebrows, but also yet a
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: sensible mother's haircut. I'm like, what is this? Like, what
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: is this? Why do I look forty five and yet
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, fifteen. It's bizarre.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: It was a confusing time. Yeah, and all this to say,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I saw this, I would call it a cinematic masterpiece
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: in theaters and I really just felt the weight of it.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: And I've been carrying that weight around for and it's
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: time to following nineteen years.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: It's time to you know, release.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Really, this episode's gonna be very cathartic. It's gonna finally
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: give me that chance to release, to release the venom
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: that has been coursing through my veins from this movie
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: for nineteen years.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Which in the movie I associate with Venom. Is that
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: horrible Eminem song that he did for the credits of
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the movie Venom, a movie I haven't seen, but I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: think that the end like like you with this song,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the end credit song by Eminem to Veminem is so
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: funny because it is eighty percent him being He goes
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: like venim meim met him, met him, and that's like
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: most of the song.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I need to listen to this.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: It just cracks me up. It was on the radio
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: for forty five seconds because it was like one of
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the most annoying because you know, and it's like an
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Eminem He's like, look out because I'm gonna hit you.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Look out because I am scary. And then wait, the
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: most half assed song I've ever heard in my life
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: is great.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, consider this Eminem vmin M Venomon.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Vanomenamminemm venomin m Yeah, venomenon.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Pretty cool.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: All right, we can end the show now we figured
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: it out.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Goodbye.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: So okay, you have a kind of beautiful connection with
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: this movie, I would say, so it does seem like
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you and JT. Artist snakes in a plane as me
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and my friend Jake are to I Frankenstein in a way.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, have you rewatched it very much?
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: No? This that was my only time seeing it.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I guess that's the difference. That's maybe the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: difference since I've seen I forgot Sam probably twenty ten. Yeah, okay,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: but this, I mean, I'm excited to talk about the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: history of this movie, but it is such a dense
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: text that I feel like, you know, we should probably
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: just get into it. Get into it. Yeah. This movie
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: was also originally called Venom.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: It was, and then it got changed to some like
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: clunky title like Pacific Airways Flight one twenty one, and
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: then Samuel L. Jackson demanded that they change it back
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: to Snakes on a Plane because that was the working title,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: which was like, I love that, surely going to get changed,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and then he was like, no, you motherfuckers, change it
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: back to snakes on a Plane.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: And it's also Samuel Jackson's uh not fault accomplishment that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: this movie is are not PG. Thirteen because he's like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: there cannot be a single there can't be just one
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: fuck in this movie. Because I need to say this
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: line I love like I because the way I'd seen
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: this movie framed in I don't even know. I mean,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I can't even single out a specific moment, but it's like, oh,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: this is like a fun, campy kind of flop moment
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: for Sam Jackson. But when I heard him talk about it,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he knows exactly what he's doing. And he
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: was just like, it's a B movie and it's fun. Yeah,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: And you're like yeah, and then you watch it and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: you're like, that's exactly what this is. This movie knows
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: exactly what it is. Yes, no one here thinks they're
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in a better movie than they're in.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean, because it's the best
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: movie ever made.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: But they all think they're in Citizen Kane, and they are.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: It's what I'm saying, Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's take a quick break, a quick snake break.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Ooh scary, and we'll be right back. Okay, we're back
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: from our snake break, and here is the recap of
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: snakes on a plane. We open in Hawaii. There's a
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: dude riding around on a motocross bike and he comes
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: upon a man who's hanging upside down from a tree.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: He's all bloodied, and some bad guy, including a famous mobster,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: named Eddie kim Okay.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I already have so much to say because this first scene,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I was already like, this is gonna be so such
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: an awesome movie to watch because it is the first
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: ten minutes well, I don't even know. The first five
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: minutes of this movie is just.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Motocross, motocross and surfing. Yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're like, and I guess the sort of
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: question is who is that. I was like, if this
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: is Sam Jackson, I'm gonna freak out. But it wasn't him.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: It's actually some guy who I will refer to throughout
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the episode as not James Marston, because to me, it
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: is very clear that that was the vibe they were
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: going for. James Marsden and James Marson weirdly would have
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: been a good pick at this time for that role
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: because he was doing like some prestige supporting like you know, oh,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you're the second in command to Sam Jackson, Like it
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: would have made sense for him. Maybe he read it
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and was like no, no, he might.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Have read the script and he's like, this is actually
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: too good. I will not do it justice and I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: should just step away.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I should give it to some Australian guy, which is
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: what happened. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know who can
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: account for what happened. I love that part of the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: reason Sam Jackson did this movie is because he did
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: not read the script.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: You agreed to it based on the title.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: He did based on the title and the director who
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: did not end up directing it, So he kind of
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: got hoodwinked into doing this. But okay, the first scene,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the amount of expositional dialogue, which is like one of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: my favorite things to see in a B movie. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: watched the first the opening scene twice because, first of all,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: this Australian actor Nathan Phillips. I don't know anything about him.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I hope you know.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm not even sure
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: he's a nice guy, but he's a you know whatever.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know a thing about him. But consistently throughout
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: this movie, I don't know if they this actor has
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: difficulty looking scared, but he never seems scared enough for me.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Like he sees a horrific like a guy falls from
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a bridge and he goes like that is it, And
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that's about like the peak of fear that this performance has.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: But anyways, okay, Eddie Kim comes in, Eddie Kim, as
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, batting a hundred oh yeah for
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the few times we see him, the guy hanging from
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the bridge upside down and says, fuck you, Eddie Kim.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: You're always gonna want to address your assault or by
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: their full government name. Exactly, easy, great first line of
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: dialogue to the movie, fuck you, Eddie Kim. And then
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Eddie Kim is going to match his energy and give
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: an absurd amount of exposition. He's gonna say, well, look
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: at you, mister prosecutor. Always important to say the job
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: of your victim as you're bullying them. Yes, he includes
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: more detail about him than is even relevant to his character.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Then again, I was raised by a single mom, and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, now why do I know this? And
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: then and then clean this up. I'm going back to
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: la important to say where you're going. And then I
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: was like cracking up at that. And then we cut
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to a news broadcast that repeats all of this information,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: which was I was like, this movie has no faith
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: in the audience whatsoever. We cut to a news broadcast
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that's like, last night, criminal Eddie Kim killed a prosecutor,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and now he's going back to la just like, yeah, okay.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Also, this thing with Eddie Kim played by an actor
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: named Brian Lawson. By the way, he was great.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I loved every second of him.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Amazing. In this world, Eddie Kim is the most famous person.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: He is like a list celebrity. Everyone knows who this
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: mobster is. He is world renowned. Anytime someone says, oh, yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I'm testifying against Eddie Kim, they're like, oh my god,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I know exactly who that is, and that's so scary.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: The two celebrities in this world are Eddie Kim and
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: three G's Three G's Yeah, not three G's, poor three G's.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I like the actor who had to play him. I mean, yeah, yes,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the germophobic rapper three G's, which is a fun concept.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: But we'll circle back to.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Three G's get there. For now, we're on Eddie Kim.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: He shows up to kill mister Prosecutor, who I guess
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: was like trying to take down Eddie Kim and his associates.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: But then again, Eddie Kim was raised by a single mom.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, So Eddiekim kills the prosecutor. The motocross
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: dude his name is Sean played by Nathan Phillips. He
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: witnesses this, and so he bails by running away on
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: his very noisy motorcycle that all the other mobsters notice.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: So they the minions, Sorry is how I should address them.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Eddie Kim's minions go looking for Sean and they're about
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: to break into his apartment, and.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: He was again is really failing to look appropriately afraid
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: of what's happening to him. He's just again like I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: kept I kept putting the movie because I was watching
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it with Grant last night, and I kept putting the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: movie on mute and try to like score this guy's
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: performance because if you put it on mute and you
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: just make the hand like that's that's what he's evoking. Yeah,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: there's literally armed hitman at his door, and he's like ah,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: oh no, oh no, doesn't move away from the door,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: just keeps looking through the keyhole. I'm like, yeah, fella,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you're in trouble.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. Yeah, So he does try to eventually like
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: get out of his apartment when who appears but FBI
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: agent Neville Flynn played by Samuel L. Jackson, and we're like, yes,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: he rescues Sean and brings him in for questioning and
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: tells Sean that he needs to fly to LA to
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: testify against Eddie Kim so that they can throw him
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: in jail. And Sean's like, I don't know, sounds dangerous.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: There might be snakes on the plane from Hawaii to LA.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And they're like, hmm, no, that would never happen.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: That would never in a million years.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: So we cut to the Honolulu airport. Several passengers are
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: waiting to board a plane that may or may not
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: have snakes on it. Passengers include a rapper named three G's.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: This reminded me so much of have you I forget?
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make us do it for my birthday month
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: if I remember. But have you seen Old.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Old No? I still have not.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: There's a I would say worst written famous rapper character
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: in that movie.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: The character's name is mid Size Sedan. Oh my gosh,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I remember, yes, And he is not a rapper with germophobia.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: He's a rapper with hemophilia. And so you can see
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: how like cinema INFLUENCEDS cinema. And I just thought that
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: that would be an important thing to point out. But
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I was, you know, just a really broadly poorly written
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: rap character by the least cool man, and I mean
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: not to knock am my child. I love that he's
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: done cool, but someone who is not qualified to write
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: a cool rapper character and then is like, no, no,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: this makes sense and gives you know, just the most
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: half assed I mean, mid sized sedan is more half
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: ass than three g's, but three g's is pretty bad.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: He wrote a song that seems to be about making
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: that bootygo thump.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, booty go thump.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Of course, bootygo thump, and I respect him for it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I just you can just like hear the two like.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I was actually surprised that the men who wrote this
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: movie were younger than I thought. They're in their early thirties.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, then, why does this dialogue so like they?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: When three gus is introduced, and also Keenan Thompson is
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: one of his longtime friends Slash Security detail, they call
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: him like the Howard Hughes of rap, and I'm like,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: who is that line for? I don't like that's that
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: line is for a very old man, Like why are
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: they saying that? Unless unless I am mistaken? And young
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: people in two thousand and six would have been referencing
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Howard Hughes right and Left. It was just really I
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: was like, who wrote this damn movie? But it was
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: like fairly I mean, you know who knows who punched
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: it up? Maybe it was like a senior I mean,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: with all due respect, a senior citizen was like, bring
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: up Howard Hughes. The people love Howard Hughes.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Here's my theory. The Keenan Thompson character whose name is Troy,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I believe his favorite movie is The Aviator. So he's
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: just like watching The Aviator right and left. He knows
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: all about Howard Hughes, and he's he's just making references
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to that whenever he can.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean that is true, he is the Aviator.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: But like I was trying to learn about the screenwriters
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: of this movie, one is quite easy to learn about
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Sebastian Gutierres, who would have been He's written movies too,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: mostly not loved movies like gothaka Snake's claim. In any case,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: he was fairly young. I mean he was in his
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: like And also he's married to Carla Guzino, who is
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: amazing Wait.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: From Spy Kids. Yes, wait, Also I just realized, so
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: The Aviator, Yeah, Keenan Thompson.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: He's not in that right, No, no, no, but okay.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: His whole thing is that later he flies the plane.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I thought that was what you
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: were saying, That that was I planned and payoff that
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: he knows about aviation. But then the twist is he
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: actually doesn't.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: He doesn't. We'll get there, but no, the joke I
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: was trying to make is that The Aviator is about
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Howard Hughes. So that's why he's like dropping that specific reference. Yeah,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: you know, that's why this text is so deep and
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: heavy and difficult to talk about.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: We can't pretend to have the answers. No, but Sebastian
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Gutierrez he is a Venezuelan writer director and he was
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: in his early thirties when this came out. Like, the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Howard Hughes line is not clocking for me from him.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: The other writer is John Heffernan, but it's hard. I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: know that he passed away in twenty seventeen, but I
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: don't know when he was born. And this is the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: only movie he ever worked on. Wow, which is kind
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: of interesting. There's another story by credit, and this is
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: pretty cool to David Dallassandro, who was Caitlin Connection University
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh administrator and first time writer. But he started
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: developing this concept in nineteen ninety two, so it's also
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: very unclear how old he is. We just don't know.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: It is wild to think that Snake's in a Plane
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: has been in development, was in development at least at
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that point, at least as long as I had been alive,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: because I would never have guessed it's giving thrown together
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: in six weeks. But it was actually a long.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Time anyways, That's how long it takes to write a masterpiece.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: In any case, We've met three g's, the rapper and
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: his entourage to bodyguards, one of whom is Keenan Thompson,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: one of whom is another guy we meet them. We
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: meet Mercedes played by Rachel Blanchard, who I recognize Flight
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: to the Concords.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I recognize her from Peep Show. Okay, she's uh yeah,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: she is above this. But I have to feel like
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the comedy actors, the comedy character actors we see in this,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have to be in on the joke,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: especially David ken Love, and he really makes a meal
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Part of Rick Oh yeah.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: His whole character is he loves to sexually harass the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: flight attendants.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And that is literally his Nevertheless, he persisted moments where
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: he's on the verge of death, but he's like, but
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: even on the verge of death, I can still sexually
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: harass my coworker and you're like, wow, question.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's there. Mercedes is there with her little dog.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Which because there was I'm so sorry there, but I
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: feel like every horror movie during this era had a
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Paris Hilton insert parody character, and that is yes, yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: She's there with her dog. There's a very rude British man.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: He'll get his come upance, don't you worry.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Julian Margley's zionist piece of shit is in the chat
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: as well, but she's brunette, so she's gonna make it right.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: She's one of the flight attendants along with Tiffany. There
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: is a queer coded flight attendant, a man named Ken,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and then there's also an older woman named Grace. Those
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: are all the flight attendants. We also meet the co
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: pilot Rick played by David Keckner. There's a couple on
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: their honeymoon. There's a different couple who are very horny
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: for each other. There's a young mother with a baby.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: There are two kids, brothers who are flying alone without
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: their parents, and I.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Love that they go out of their way to be
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: like and not just any parents. A soldier, You're.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Like, Okay, who was on the plane? How was he
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: allowed to be on the plane? And then I guess
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: he got off before the flight took off.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Like, I think that a lot of the a lot
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: of I mean this movie, being on a plane is
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: very inconsistent, I think because there's scenes that literally look
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: ripped off from Titanic, people trying to get up a staircase,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: which planes famously don't usually have.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: There I think are some like really fancy ones that
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: have like the first class. I've never been on a
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: plane like that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, I had to google it. I was like,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: is this made up? But like I really. Something I
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: thought was interesting about this movie is that once you
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: know how long it was in development, it makes sense
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: because clearly some plots of this are about plane travel
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: ostensibly before nine to eleven, and many are about after
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: nine eleven. And they're also kind of lifting I think
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: from Lost, which was like the most popular show on
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: TV at this time, and I feel like Lost without
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: being overly like dismiss it, but like, I think Lost
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: kind of ripped the band aid off culturally of like
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: we can have horror about planes again. Because after nine
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to eleven, obviously this was something that was avoided. A
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: lot of movies were significantly adjusted, including two thousand and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: two is Lilo and Stitch right in order to avoid
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: themes of plane crashes and peril on planes. For several
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: years that didn't appear in media. But then when Lost
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: came out, all of a sudden, it's like, and we're back.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: But I think a lot of the characters. And I
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: say this because I just watched all of Lost and
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: got really obsessed, and I'm looking at my Lost toys
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: with my eyeballs right now.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: You have Lost toys.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I see those, you know those? My niece loves them,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: like little Fisher Price little People toys. They made a
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: collector's Lost set and it's literally just baby Lost.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, it's cute.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I have Baby Hurley here, Baby Jack, Baby Kate, and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: of course baby John Locke, my favorite character. Anyways, this
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: was a very popular I was trying to like contextualize
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: why did this movie happen in this way. Yeah, but anyways,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: nineteen I feel like the part of this movie that
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: was developed before nine to eleven had a soldier getting
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: all the way onto the plane with his children, because
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that would never have happened after nine to eleven, right,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: But then a lot of the I just thought that,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: especially the character of the blonde woman with the baby,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: felt very lifted from That's like Claire from Lost. There
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: are a few characters that are insert here from Lost
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, but maybe I'm projecting. It's not like
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Lost invented blonde single mothers.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I don't remember that character Unlost having a baby.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: He was important Aaron Aaron the baby and then the
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: others stole erin and then Dominic Monaghan had to go
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: save the baby.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, because he had a crush on Claire. Is that
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: her name on Clare?
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how she said her name. She's Australian, right
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: she was?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Okay? Was she the one who was like the sister
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: to the Ian summerholder character or is that a different
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: pairing of people.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: No, that's the other blonde. This is the thing talking
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: about of me? No, No, this is a This is
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: a and it's nothing against the actors. But this is like,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: oh my god, watching movies from really most times. But
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the number of blondes in this movie is quite staggering,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and also the like horror movie tropes associated with the blondes,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: there's no subversion in this movie whatsoever. Juliana mark Leaz
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: is our singular white brunette, and white being an important
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: qualifier in that case, and therefore she's the only one
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: with a functioning brain, and all of the blonde women
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: are going to be variously damseled or slut shamed to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the point where we'll get there. But I just thought
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it was I had to like pause the movie and
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: explain it to my fiance's my fiance, because that's what
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: should happen in more straight couples. Women should be explaining
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: movies to the men exactly. But I just thought it
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: was wild that we were introduced to so many blondes.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm going to assume the mother
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: will live, because being a mother is considered by films
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to be worthy of life. Right, I'm gonna assume mother
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and baby are gonna live. I'm going to assume the
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: woman who is Juliana Marglaz's friend who's wearing a skirt
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: shorter than Julianna Margallay's is going to be in peril.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Will either die or then get a boyfriend and live.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: That's the tiffanyru You're being validated.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: By a man. Tiffany, I'm assuming anyone over forty will die.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: But but then the first woman who dies is the blondest,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: most skimpily clad, horny person on the planet. Yeah, so
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: they're like, we need to find the blondest woman alive
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and then kill her, kill her via a nipple butt.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: It was just wild. Anyways, what's happening in the movie?
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I just I'll tell you. He is a very rich text.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: It's so rich. So we've met most of the cast. Meanwhile,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: in the cargo hold, there is a man, a bad boy,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: a minion of famous mobster Eddie Kim, and he's spraying
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: this box of lays, not the.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Chips, the flower.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Necklasts, the flower, yes exactly, And he's saying, these pheromones
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: are gonna make these guys go crazy. And we're like,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: these guys, do you mean the snakes that are on
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the plane and he and that's what he means. Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: The flight starts boarding with Sean and Agent Flynn and
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: another FBI guy, agent Sanders. I think I couldn't figure
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: out who that was.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: All I know about him is that, like he is
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Sam Jackson's friend, and he's also divorced, and that is
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: what bonds them as adult man. Like they're like, we're both.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Divorced, they're both bad partner.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I die for him. You're like, okay, whatever, maybe that's
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: not that make friends. I don't know, no idea.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: So the three of them are the only people in
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: first class since like whatever, Sean has to be protected
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: or something, and so everyone else has to be moved
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: to coach. They've all been given a lay that was
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: riddled with snake pheromones, even though those lays were in
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: the cargo hole. But now when they're being given them,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: like as they board the plane, they're in the airport.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh so there's some This is not going to
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: pass a basic snuff test of logic, which is fine
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: for a B movie, but the specific examples are very funny.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if B movie stands for beautiful, brilliant.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Beautiful movie movie. My favorite bizarro plot hole is mid
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: plane crash in two thousands six. Sam Jackson is able
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: to send a high resolution photo via email from his
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: slip phone. Yeah, I love movie.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: That was awesome. Yeah it was great. Okay, So the
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: flight takes off and after a short while, a mechanism
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: is triggered in the cargo hold once the plane reaches
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: an altitude of thirty five thousand feet. So I reminded
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: me of speed where oh the bus goes fifty miles
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: an hour that you know, triggers the bomb whatever.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: So this triggers the snakes.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: This one triggers the snakes, and so a whole slew
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: of snakes on the plane starts slithering out from somewhere. Meanwhile,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: back in the cabin of the plane, everyone is horny.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: We got three G's and Mercedes flirting. We've got the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: horny couple going into the bathroom to have sex, something
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: that the flight attendants think is awesome. They're like, who
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: you go.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Girl, which I was like, I uh, you know, I've
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: never worked as a flight attendant. I have one friend
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: who's a flight attendant. But that would have been like
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: a weird text descent to be like, do you guys
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: love when people?
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I think I think they don't love it at all.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I would I think it's safe to assume, absolutely not.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: And I think it's probably illegal to have sex in
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the bathroom of all plane.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Sure, But also I'm thinking, if I'm a flight attendant,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, unless it's posing a danger, I'm not going
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: to file a report, Like just please.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Get out of the bathroom. I don't know what I
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: would do in that situation, but you know, suffice it
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to say that these flight attendants love so.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: The Mile High Club. If you're if your goal is
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: to join the Mile High Club, like you know, grow up,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: grow yeah, get a you know, dream bige, come on, okay,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: so grow up, get them Okay.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: So everyone's horny and they're releasing pheromones of their own. Yeah,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it affects the snakes are not.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: But also as a young Taylor Kitsch is the guy
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: who I who's that didn't recognize? Well, thankfully I had
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: a man in the house to tell me he was
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: in Friday Night Lights, which I never would have known,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and he was also in a True Detective season two.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a pretty famous actor, but this is
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: like I think one of his early roles as like
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: he was also in John Tucker Must Die.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: This year.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I think he had had to sort of serve in
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: the trenches of himbo roles before he got real actor roles.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I see, okay, and.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Good for him, But do I care?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: No? No, Okay, So we got all these CGI snakes
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: slithering through the plane. We are seeing things sometimes through
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: their green snake eye vision, which which.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I did not fact check, but it literally looks like,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: oh does snakes look like a snake vision? Like also
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: looking through a gun like it like like infrared a
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: sniper like. Maybe I didn't look it up because I
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: assumed the movie didn't look it up.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: So I don't know the movie didn't look up anything. Yeah,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, Okay, So there's like an enormous number
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: of snakes slithering throughout the plane. No one notices that
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: they're right there, They're under their feet, they're in their purses,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: they're going up a lady's dress.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Well, in their defense, the snakes are computer giants. So
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the actors made, you know, I think the actors I
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: made to be looking about like they're doing a bad
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: job when they in fact were just never told where
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the CGI snakes are going to be, right, I fully
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: believe there's full sequences where they're like, just be asleep
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: on the plane. And then they added a CGI snake
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: sexually assaulting you, and there's no reaction from the actor,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: just and we'll get back to her because she's done
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: as severe injustice truly.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Anyways, Yes, So then a snake who's on the plane
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: attacks the horny couple that are having sex in the bathroom.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Another snake on the plane comes out of a toilet
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: of a different bathroom and bites a man's penis.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Now, this is I've seen a lot of criticism around
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: this food and I don't know where to fall on it,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Like where this is like one of the first movies
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: that was really influenced by Internet humor. But I see,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I personally find out to be a stretch because B
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: movies have always been kind of influenced by lowest common
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: denominator kind of oh for sure. So I wasn't bothered
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: by it, but I did. The early kills in this
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: movie are really going for it. I mean the like
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the blondest woman in the world being sexualized to the
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: absurdist degree that they could do without the movie being rated.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: You know, NC seventeen. You know, she is punished for
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: being for having sex by a snake bite to the nipple,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: and then cut to the guy takes his dick out
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: to pee and for those you know with penises, please
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: sound off in the chat. Do you also say how's
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: my big boy when you start to take a leak?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Because I thought that was delightful. I thought that was
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: so funny, as I grant you should start doing that
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: snake's in the toilet snake. Also, I noticed, unless it
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: was a computer, Glitch seemed to drink a little bit
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: of his piss.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Did not notice that I think he did.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: And then he jumps on and then he says, fucking bitch,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: get off my dick. Is what he says to the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: snake that's killing He.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Says the snake who is biting his dick off. Maybe
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: contrary to popular belief, I think that when a man
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: says hi, big boy to his penis that passes the
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Bechdel test.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I see, the only time I would be saying hi,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: big boy is when I'm walking into Bob's Big Boy
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: in Burbank, California. I'm passing the statue and I say hi,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: big boy because that's his name. Yeah, but I did wonder.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, you know cis masculinity is so twisted. Yeah,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: any any any listeners say, hi, big boy, will they pee?
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And if not, you know, let us know if it's fun,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Hi big boy. No, how's my big boy?
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Which is even weird, how's my big boy?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Initiating our conversation. Yeah, that was never answered because that
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Penis was not long for this world. Usually I've assumed
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that Penis would answer, Yeah, the early kills I thought
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: were the best, the kills they sort of got, except
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: for one that we'll come back to. The British guy.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Oh sure, yes, yes, yes, that was good. Yeah. Okay,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: so the snakes are attacking, but it's like little by
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: little at first. Here we also see some snakes bite
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: some of the wiring. Yeah, which causes a bunch of
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: like electrical failures on the plane, which like sort of
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't really do any or didn't do anything. That was
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: clear to me because every time the plane starts crashing,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: it's because the pilot is dead.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Right, But then that has always resolved by like when
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: someone would it's a big me laugh and not to
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: be overly didatic because it's.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: The B movie.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: But without fail, anytime the plane was crashing, it would
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: be resolved by someone who knew how to fly a plane,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: be like put autopilot back on, and I was like,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: surely they're in touch with base camp or whatever. I'm like,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: why didn't they just say do that if that is
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: gonna solve Like even when David character almost comes back
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: from the dead, he literally like just put auto pilot on?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Why don't they just do that? Like how do Sam
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Jackson not? And it's apparently just you know, I don't
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: know anything about flying planes, but it's a clearly labeled button.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you just press it?
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: One might think you know.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: That the minions can land a plane better than these guys.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Think about that.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I do reference that later in my notes. Yeahk god,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: thank god, Fret not Jamie. Okay, good, Okay, So the snakes,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: the snakes are emerging. The pilot, not David Keckner, because
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I think he's like the co pilot, the mister official
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: pilot who is an actor who I recognize from exactly
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: one scene from Josie and the Pussycats. Oh, he's the
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: guy who I think he might be FBI, but he
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: like comes in to pretend to bust escentially.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Have no fucking clue who was who in this thing?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Like I also was like, I again, this is I
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I was surprised that the FBI was,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Like I thought you had to be subtle about that,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know you were like, we're the FBI,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: clear first class. I'm like, does it is? I thought
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: that that would introduce like a safety vulnerability.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Right, shouldn't they be more covert? Remindminds me of that
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: that part in point break where Keanu's character who's supposed
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: to be undercover is like loudly introducing himself with his
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: like full real name, is like not being covert at all.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, Like it's you know, and we're
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: supposed to believe this is the government agency that has
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: gotten away with killing MLK for half a century. I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: don't think so, Like you gotta be a little better
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: than that. And also not to keep bringing Lost back
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: into it, but I've got a I'm a Lost fan,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Like they're one of the characters, and Lost is being
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: like escorted by a federal agent internationally in the pilot
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: of Loss and they're sitting in coach Because you're not
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: supposed to be really obvious about.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: That, right, there's another Oh my gosh, I forgot it's Kate.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, there's a movie. Is it Midnight Run? I
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: always get this movie confuse with another movie. I think
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: it is Midnight Run, where like the whole premise of
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: that is. I think it's Robert de Niro's he's the
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: agent and Charles Grodin is the like criminal or whatever
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: under custody. And I don't remember what else happens in
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: that movie. It's been a really long time since I've
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: seen it. But yeah, there's whole movies with this premise anyway. Okay,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: So the pilot he's in chosing the Pussycats as well.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: He goes to fix the electrical problems that the snakes
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: on the plane have caused. But a snake, the motherfucking snakes.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: The snakes on the.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Snake really make you wait for that line, They really do.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: But honestly, when it happens.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: It's worth it. Oh it's worth it, You're like, and
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: that is why Sam Jackson is a movie star.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, precisely. Okay, So a snake bites the pilot and
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: he dies, and the crew is like, darn well, let's
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: keep petting to La. We're over halfway.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: There that Okay, yes, I have I have notes on
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: just the bizarre. I'm like, they must have shot this
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: absurdly out of order. I'm wondering how many script changes
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: happened because the lack of reaction. There's a David Kector
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: read that just cracked me up. Wait where is it?
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I have so many notes? Oh yeah, he first, like
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the David. I think it's Rick, who's like I've worked
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: with him for decades.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a decade.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: And then and then just is soullessly may day, may day,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: may day, he has suffered a fatal heart attack. We're
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: gonna keep flying. You're just like, okay. And then there's
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: like just these matter of matter of fact readings that
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: made me laugh so much. Eddie somehow managed to fill
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: the plane with poisonous snakes. And you're like, yeah, sure,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: because we haven't even gotten to Bobby Canavale. No, Bobby Canavale,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the poor an addict.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Oh is he? I didn't know that about him.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: That's for a while, the only thing we know about
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: him is they're like, what are you doing watching his character?
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Not his Oh I don't. I don't know anything about it. Sorry,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I mean his character Loves is not catching astray from me.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know a thing about him. Love just working it. Tanya, Oh, sure,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: he's in it for about one minute. But yeah, his character.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, he also seems everyone's kind of in on.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: The joke here, I hope.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: So he later says the line that's gonna leave a mark.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he can't think this is going to be
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: a career to finding you know.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: You never know. Okay, so let's see the pilots dead.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Just then tons of snakes on the plane attack all
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: at once. A bunch of people get bitten and die immediately.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: These are mostly like extras who we haven't really met.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: We don't know them. Yes, but one of the little
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: boys we do know gets bitten. One of three G's
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: bodyguards gets bitten, the one who isn't Keenan Thompson on the.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Ass ass introduced homophobic two thousand and six.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Side plot, Yes exactly. Let's see the woman with the
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: baby gets knocked unconscious. There's a part where the flight attendant, Grace,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: she's the older one who's like about to retire, kind
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: of sacrifices herself to save the young woman's baby. Because
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: old women.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Are disposable and must die for the young. I really
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: loved Grace was a fun character. They did her dirty,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Flynn is like zapping the snakes with his taser.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: He's got so many weapons wand board. You know he's FBI,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: but he brought all his weapons on the plane into
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: the cabin.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Again, very like pre nine to eleven plot point there.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Right, Eventually, the survivors who didn't die from this like
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: initial burst.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Of attacks, mostly blonde women.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Lots of blonde women, they managed to kind of like
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: barricade themselves into one area of the plane and block
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: the snakes using a bunch of luggage.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I really, I mean again, you know, he couldn't have known,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: but it is very bone chilling, saying like his first
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: suggestion being like we need to build a wall. You're
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: like that line is going to age extraordinarily poorly. Yeah,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: and also the fact that he's an FBI agent with
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: a million weapons and that's his best idea. But whatever,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: it seems to work.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: It takes them forever to get the idea to go
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: upstairs into first class.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: But then it's like Titanic, like it's the end of
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: the tame. They're like, ah, they cannot get upstairs in
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: an orderly fashion. The stairs break. It's like, it's ridiculous.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: It's awesome.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: It's around this time when the other FBI agent Sanders
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: dies from a snake bite. Also, he declares earlier his
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: fear of snakes. Yeah, so this is an especially bad
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: trip for him, and then he dies.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I love those moments in horror movies. We also get
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: a similar moment with Grace where they're like he was
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: my best friend. You're like okay. Like same with David
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Kackner and the Pilot, You're like, well, I'm sorry, I
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: feel nothing at all, Like I don't know who this
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: person is.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Because the movie treats Agent Sanders death like it's this
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: deeply tragic moment that the audience is going to have
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: to like really pause and contemplate. But we're like, who
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: is who the fuck is this guy? Again? I don't
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: know him?
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: The three deaths, I think we were supposed to feel
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: a way about where like the Pilot, the Partner and Grace,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: and Grace was the only one and that was strictly
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: on the performance where I thought that was a very
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: charming performance, what a cool lady too bad she.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Died, So okay. Then Samuel L. Jackson uses the airplane
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: telephone to call his FBI buddy on the ground, this
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: is Harris, and tell him that famous mobster Eddie Kim
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: put all of these snakes on the plane in order
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: to bring the plane down to kill Sean so that
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: he can't testify against him in court.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Amazing plan, to which again Bobby cana Valley has like
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: absurdly no reaction to, Like He's like, oh God, that sucks.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I paused his scene because we're told a bunch of
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: like Bobby canna Valley's stock character information where they're like
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: he's addicted to poor and he hates his children.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: And hates his children.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I paused his office to be like, what are we
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: supposed to be alread to hear? He has like a
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: bunch of bobbleheads of I think one was George W. Bush.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I think he had the Declarty of Independence framed in
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: his office. I'm like, what am I supposed to be
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: thinking about this man? But anyways, I was glad he
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: at least stayed in the movie, because I thought he
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: was just gonna be in that office and did all
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: of his scenes in like fourteen minutes because he just
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: pays it around being like I hate my kids, I
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: hate like I love war, or like whatever the hell
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: is going on with him. But at least he goes
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: to a second location and meets like I wrote down
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: snake Tobias Funke is what it felt like to me,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see it, I see it. That guy's about
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: to show up, but yeah, before that happens, the young
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: mother knows how to suck venom out of a snake bite.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, so she does this for that little
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: boy who got bitten.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Which of course has made a sex joke.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, austing three gs entourage see her administering
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: like medical care to a child, and they're like, child
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: hubba hubba a wooga, I want her to suck me
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, this same character has refused help from a man
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: he thinks is gay, because fellas, is it gay to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: survive a snake bite? Like just really ridiculous two thousand
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: and six nonsense going on, truly.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: So meanwhile, Bobby Kinavale gets to work on finding a
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: snake expert. This guy, doctor Stephen Price aka VI expert
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: to k who figures out that there must be something
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: provoking the snakes to cause them to be so aggressive,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: a pheromone perhaps, And I feel like.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: He's like I felt Jurassic Parky a little bit.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Kind of well because there's such an emphasis on like
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: female reptiles, because he's like, well, female snakes emit a
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: pheromone and it makes the males very aggressive. So it's like, okay, great,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: blame everything.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: On creat the girl snakes somehow became women's fault, and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: we got there. Yeah, I think there's a concept of
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like it almost ties into like, and this
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: is again very cis normative, but there are so many
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: sis men who write these kinds of movies, of like
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the gigantic number of pussy monsters we see in horror movies,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: and and just using pheromones, like female pheromones as a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: weapon also just feels very like seems like more of
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: a you prob that we see pop up in specifically
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: genre movies a lot.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Sure, it's like, take the idea of the fem fatal,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: apply it to snakes on a plane. Come on, bam,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: you've got.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: A movie at very least oh single woman fights a snake.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Everyone else needs a boyfriend, but Claire evil Zionus. Claire
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: does fight a snake and then I we'll get to
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: the love story.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Because I was.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Baffled by that. I was like, oh, I did not
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: see that coming. I was not into I was not
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: into it.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a whole spiel on that as well. Yeah, okay,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: So so the snake expert is figuring different things out
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: and they need to find a way to show this
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: expert what kinds of snakes are on board so he
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: can figure out what like types of anti venom to get.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: And there's a whole scene where in two thousand and
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: six they learn how cell phone cameras and email works
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: and they managed to send an email from like a
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: BlackBerry or whatever the fuck on the plane pre the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: era of planes having Wi Fi or anything like that.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: And also I'm like, I honestly I could I couldn't
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: tell you, but I'm like, I was unclear if the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: power on the plane was even working at that point.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I think it wasn't. I think that the snakes had
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: chewed through the electricity.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: I really loved that plot hole. I thought that plot
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: hole was iconic. No no accounting for it. Ten out
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: of ten amazing.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Then the flight attendant Claire discovers that the co pilot Rick,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: this is the David Keckner character, is incapacitated and no
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: one's flying the plane and it's nose diving into the ocean.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: So Claire and agent Flynn have to step in and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: try to pull the plane back up. Allah that scene
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: from Minions to.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Exactly as Minions did it better Manian had more chemistry
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: with each other.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, let's be honest, seriously. Yeah, okay. So meanwhile the
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: barricade of like just suitcases stacked on each other.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Amazing plan, good job.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: You won't believe it, but it falls apart.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Your tax dollars at work everybody.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: And all the snakes are coming through and attacking people again,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: including like the honeymoon couple. That mean British guy feeds
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Mercedes little dog to the snakes, but the he gets like.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Mary Kate, I think like Twins. I was like, it's
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: just so two thousand and six, it's exhaustive. The I
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: loved the rich guy death where the snake I mean,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: because it had been a while since we'd had a
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: good snake death at that true thought. It was mostly
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: just like Oi Oi Oi and then we get the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: rich guy's swallowed whole via his head awesome.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: By what I would call a big boy snake.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how's my big boy? Well, well he's he's hungry
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: and he's eating the mean man. I do appreciate that
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: he gets like instant karma killed, yes, because he like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: feeds the dog to the snakes. But then he immediately
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: gets eaten by very satisfying something boa constrictor.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I don't fucking I was like, could that have even happened?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I literally do not know, and I none of my business.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not scientists. Yeah, okay, So then everyone finally
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: goes upstairs to first class again unclear why they didn't
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: think of this earlier because that seems like a pretty
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: good idea.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: And empty for like an hour.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then David Keector comes back to life and starts
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: piloting the plane again. He's like, oh, I'm fine.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, I'm fine, and then he's like, sure,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: you don't want to take your top off, babe, and
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: she's like, Rick, you're still yourself and he's like but
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: then like he puts the plane on auto pilot. Why
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: don't they just keep doing that? I don't know, I
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: you know, viewed as camp. That is an amazing moment
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: in the movie. I wonder so ridiculous.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: I wonder if autopilot is sort of like cruise control
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: on a car. I don't know what autopilot does. Any listeners,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and including if Keenan Thompson listening, well
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: he is, and he's anything like this character. If he doesn't,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know either, so he.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Doesn't, okay. In the meantime, on the ground, Bobby Canavale
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: and the snake expert discover that most of the snakes
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: on the plane are indigenous to other continents, which means
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: that nearby hospitals wouldn't have the anti venom for those snakes,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: and there's only one person nearby who would have what
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: they need, so they head to that guy's house in
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: the desert. Back on the plane, this is when Grace,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: the flight attendant dies, So it's.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Sad and there's all a lot of very like Hokey.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: We learned this about Claire. It's her last flight before
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: she becomes a lawyer, and Grace is like it was
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I just had to do one last flight from Honolulu
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: to la I'm like for what But anyways, she dies.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: It reminded me of Captain E. J. Smith on the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Titanic that was his last.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: It's a classic. I mean, it's a good trope to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: be like, you know or whatever though, like it's my
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: last case and that's.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Before I retire, Before I retire.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: That's like basically what Grace is doing. But then she
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: gets snaked. Sad but true, and then we learn that
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Tiffany and her were really good friends. Question Mark. We
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: do not see that. I would have it would have
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: made more sense if the like male flight attendant was
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: grieving her because we only see them together, but we
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: don't really get to see how he feels about it.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. We also see a moment where three G's
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: goes berserk and he's like waving a gun around, but
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: he calms down and he apologizes. Also, the air conditioning
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: has stopped working on the.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Plane, which is why he becomes so as homicides. I
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: think it's like implied that they're maybe running out of air,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and he's a germophobe, so like he wants fresh air.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: But he's like, I'm gonna kill someone if I don't
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: get fresh air. You're like three gees sir.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's really goofy, and I would say it's
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: extremely goofy.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: In fact, I agree.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the air conditioning isn't working, so Samuel L.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Jackson has to go down into the cargo hold to
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: reset the breakers, which, if you're if you're wiring has
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: been chewed through by snakes. I don't know how. It's
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: not like that they tripped the breaker. Resetting the breaker
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: wouldn't do anything.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, I hadn't even thought about that. Well, in this
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: world it does. And this is also the moment where
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: it becomes like clear that he and Claire are vibing climbing.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: It wasn't work because she was like, no, let me
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: go with you. I was like, what, Like, I know,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I thought it was more of a like a paternal thing,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: but apparently it's a fucky thing.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: I did not sense that it was supposed to be
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: romantic until the very end when they're like, let's get
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: dinner later.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I have to believe that was added because it was
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: just like the no. I mean, you know, Sam Jackson handsome,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: charming man, but it just like there was nothing planted
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: that made that make sense. The age gap felt very weird.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't believe this for a second.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Who knows. Any Way, Samuel L. Jackson goes to find
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: the breakers in a scene that feels very similar to
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: a scene in Jurassic Park where Samuel L. Jackson has
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: to go and reset the breakers.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, and it's also Samuel Jackson.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: It's also him.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Although in Jurassic Park he dies doing this via being
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: attacked by reptiles, and in Snakes on a Plane he
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: lives and the reptiles don't kill him.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: That didn't even occur to me. So that was a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: moment that that was for the fans.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: That yeah, I think so. I wonder if that was
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: supposed to be an homage, but I don't know. Anyway.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Back on the ground, Bobby Canavale goes to the like
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: snake smuggler dude to get all the I don't know
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: if they even get the anti venoms from him, but
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: they just get a list they.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Get literally, he's like, I need a list of the
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: snakes on the plane. You're like what, And then the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: guy's like, I swear, here's the list, and he's like
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: all right, thank you, and then he's fine, Like it
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: just was I loved it. I loved it the Bobby
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Canivale sections, and they gave him so many goofy lines
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: in this sequence where they're like, what are you doing,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: He's like, my job, and then and then he like
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: shoots the guy or whatever. He's like, that's good to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: leave the mark. And it's just like Bobby Canavalle is
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: just not scary, Like he's not scary and he's not cool,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: and that's why I like him. But like, I'm not
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: sold on this whole like hyper mask Bobby kind of
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: vallet like, no.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, it's not doing it for me either. But anyway,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: now that they have this list of snakes, they're like, whow,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: everything's gonna be a okay, and so everyone kind of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: just like breathe a sigh of relief. The sun is
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: coming up because by the way, this has been a
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: red eye flight the whole time, right, But then they
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: realize that the co pilot, David Keckner, died again and
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: no one's flying the plane again. But don't worry. In
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: the Diosex Machina of the Century, Keenan Thompson knows how
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: to fly a plane, so he's gonna land this plane.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: But wait, there's a bunch of snakes in the cockpit,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: which is when Samuel L. Jackson says the best line
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: in cinema history. I have had it with these motherfucking
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: snakes on this motherfucking plane. And so to get rid
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane, he.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Almost kills everybody and then goes to a safe area
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: with Keenan Thompson like, he just leaves everyone for dead,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: including children, including a baby. Right, you couldn't have brought
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: a couple. You could have brought the kids with you
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: into the cockpit. They're like, no, best of Yeah.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: They don't have the strength to hang on. Best of
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: luck in there, right, because what they do is they
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: literally shoot holes in the plane with Samuel L. Jackson's
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: FBI gun, which makes all the snakes go flying out.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Everyone has to hang on for dear life. And then
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Keenan Thompson successfully lands the plane, even though we find
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: out that the quote unquote flight experience he has has
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: all been via playing video games on PlayStation two.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: And this is kind of a fun moment. Keenan seems
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: to be having a good time. I hope so, because
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: otherwise was he doing here and yeah, they land the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: plane just like the Minions did in sam Panpisco.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: That's so true, Jamie.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Thanks. Remember when I said that at our show in
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: San Francisco and it got less than nothing. It was
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: like just a black hole of reaction. If you're at
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: that show, you should have laughed. Do you really let
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: me down in that moment? That that didn't feel good?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: And I think about it often.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I I think I reacted you.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Oh you you laugh. I was like woooo yeah, which
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: almost emphasized how no one else was laughing because he
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: said woo. But I needed I needed to do in
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: that moment you were there.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: I really tried to be there for you.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, they don't land in San pan Pisco in
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: this movie. They Oh how would the Minion say Los Angeles? Oh?
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like they'd be like how so true?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: So true, And that's where they land the plane. Various
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: first responders are there to administer anti venom, and the survivors,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: you know, they safely get off the plane. But just
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: as Sean remember him, No, he's about to get off
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: the plane, but a snake bites him on the chest.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: So Samuel al Jackson shoots the snakes slash Sean's chest,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: which is fine because Sean was wearing a bulletproof vest
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: the whole time.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: And then he's now he's Tiffany's boyfriend.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Right. There's a bunch of like forced hetero romances at
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: the very end, including a huge, big twist that Ken,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: the flight attendant who the movie kept implying was probably gay,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: has a beautiful girlfriend and he's straight after all.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: And everyone, like all of his coworkers are like whoa.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: But it was implied that they knew each other quite well.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, right, did they not know that he was
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: in like long term relationship? Also, like this is way
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: beside the boy But how did she get down to
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: the tarmac? Like that's a good that's a pre nine
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: to eleven thing. Yeah, yes, whatever, yeah whatever, you know,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: that's not what this is about.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: No, And then the movie ends with Sean and Samuel
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Willow Jackson surfing together in BALI question mark because that's
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: what Sean had been talking about wanting to do. The end.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Yay, I loved it. I guess let's take it. We've
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: been taken a break in an hour and a half, we've.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Been recording for so long already and we haven't even started.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's time for another snake break.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: And we're back. We're back from the snake break. How
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: is your savait? How's my big boy?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Your big boy if you mean me?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Hm?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Great? Oh good? How's my big boy?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: I'm doing okay, I'm I'm so. I'm like, we've talked.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: A lot about something.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Movie. I don't yeah, I've like it's like we're even
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: to begin, Like, is this movie massages? Yes? Is this
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: movie racist?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Is this movie homophobic? Yes?
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Is this movie agist yes? Yes? Is this movie fat phobic? Yes? Yes?
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I can't really think of a single subversion.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: That happens, no, nor I yeah. Most attempts at jokes
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: in this movie are at the expense of a marginalized group.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I think that the most extreme, the most frustrating example
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: of that to me, was the single woman of color,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: yeah who. We don't know what her nationality is, but
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: she's the only woman of color. She's over forty, so
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: we're already like, this isn't going to end well for her.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: She's not extremely thin, and so's she's made out to
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: be an alcoholic, you know, knowing that you're watching a
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: snake slasher a movie. You're like, this woman is going
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: to be made to die in a very humiliating way,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: for sure, And that is precisely what happens. She is
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: ostensibly sexually assaulted by a CGI snake and then has
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: her eye gouged out ultimately right.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Even before that, So when she's like boarding the plane,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: three G's fat shames her, right and then also fat
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: shames his friend Keenan Thompson and like talks about the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: baby that they would make together, like it's just disgusting,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: and then yeah, she sits down, she takes out a
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: flask and starts drinking from it. She's characterized as being
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: so oblivious that she doesn't notice that a snake is
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: slithering up her dress. And then she's one of the
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: first people to die, not the first, but no, very
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: gruesome death.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: And they really drag it out too, like they it's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: multiple beats. We never learn anything about her. There might
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: be an implication that she's native Hawaiian. I'm not totally sure.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: I just like any negative trope you could associate with
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: any number of marginalized groups is present in this I
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: think unnamed character because she's also traveling alone.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what else to say. I mean,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: that was like one of the things about this movie
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: that I was like, this is like deeply gross.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: And then outside of Sam Jackson, the only black characters
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: that we get to know are a like very broadly
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: written rapper and his two security guards. And so I think,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, Sam Jackson makes one reference
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: to race, not that I was like, I want this
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: movie to have more commentary about race, Like, you know,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: I don't really that's not the job of Snakes on
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: a plane right now. But Sam Jackson is just playing
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: the stock FBI character he if nothing else, is not
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: defined by his race the course of this movie. I
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: don't think you can say that for three g's and
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: the key and Thompson character and the other character. There's
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: just so many tropes present. It's mostly lazy writing. Yeah,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: But even the like the the later homophobia that comes
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: up where I think that often, especially during like this phase,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, all men in film are very no homo,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: no homo, no homo during this period of film. But
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: I think black men specifically are often made to be
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: made out to seem particularly homophobic and so I at
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: least and if any listeners disagree, please let me know.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I just it pinged for me that the overtly homophobic
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: comments were coming from people of color, because there was
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: one muttered comment from I think the one Asian man
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: we get to know on the plane, get to know
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: he's like coming back from a kickboxing competition, and then
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: gets a girlfriend. That's kind of all we know about him.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: And then and then you know, we have one What
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: is the other character's name, it's not fair to call
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: him not Keenan Thompson, Keith Dallas aka big Leroy. Again,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: just very lazy naming conventions here, but he is so
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: you know, he's for some reason, he's not fatally bitten
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: by a snake. I don't know why. Some aren't, some aren't.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Well, the snake expert really clearly lays this out, Jamie,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: where some of the snakes will kill you within minutes,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: others within hours, and even others you can recover from
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: a venomous snake bite with just a good night's sleep.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: It's almost like whatever the script requires can be possible.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: But he gets bitten on his ass, yes, and then
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: there's this big homophobic beat of Ken, who's referred to
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: on scholarly journal Wikipedia as an eccentric flight attendant, which
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: I guess is that writer's way of saying queer coded.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: But in any case, you know, venom needs to be
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: sucked out of a bite, but he's.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Like, no home like it. You know, if a man
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: can't do it, that would be.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Too gay only for that character, that same character to
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: like like hama and ahamadahamana over like you mentioned earlier,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: women sucking the venom out of a child snake bite,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: so you know, very bad broad riding.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, yep, correct. I would say the way that Hawaii
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: is depicted in the movie, it's only for a few minutes,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: but all we see is like touristy people doing touristy stuff.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: There are, from what I could tell, no depictions of
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: Native Hawaiians or their community or culture, not that we
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: know of. Yeah, so it's just like a few shots
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: of like tourists surfing and then we get on a
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: plane with snakes on it. But yeah, shit like that.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: It's shit like three G's grabbing a woman's boob to
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: sign it, just like assaulting a fan and then she's
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: like wow, like She's like, Wow, I loved it.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Loves every second it's It's so it's frustrating because it's
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: nothing we haven't talked about on this show, but it
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: is just like it feels like everything everything happens that
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: could possibly happen, and I feel like, at least Keenan,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: I think Keenan's character gets a little more characterization strictly
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: because it's Keenan. That was my theory because Keenan was
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: already like a very well known, well loved personality. So
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like they gave him a character because it
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: would be a letdown to have Keenan time because I mean, yeah,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Keenan had already been on SNL for several years at
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: this point he joined, and L had been a dowser three.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah Keenan and kel like he's a he's a generational talent,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Like you got to give this guy a character. But
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I think that the other his like counterpoint, big Leroy,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: which I did not realize that was that character's name,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: but he really suffers as a result. And they like
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: almost doubled down on all of these just like lazy
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: tropes to the point where I think the last word
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: we hear that last line from that character is my
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: ass and you're like fine.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: I mean in a different context that could be iconic,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: but is here not out not so much.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: I also think the way that Asian actors were depicted
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: was not great.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Especially with like Eddie Kim and his his minions.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Right, which is it's like, I mean, I honestly have
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: just a wild dearth of information about Like, I just
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: have no interest in crime movies, mafia movies. I know that,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: you know mafia movies. There's you know, people of all
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: nationalities can be in gangs whatever. For me, what was
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: clicking more was that whenever you would cut to Eddie
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Kim outside of crime activity, he was like doing karate.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Like it just felt very broad, again, very broad Americanized
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: stereotypes around East Asian people were being just randomly applied
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: to these American characters like Eddie Kiss from LA. I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: don't know, I just found.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: It bizarre, definitely. David Kickner's character also makes that gross
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: joke that's both racist and disparaging of sex workers. Oh
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: maybe I missed that one that I won't repeat.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Blink and you'd miss an offensive thing happening in this movie.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, also, we've touched on this to some extent,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: but just the again, the very horror movie tropy approach
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: to women. The only women of color, and I can't
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: even say we get to know because she is mostly
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: mocked in order to be established, and then is slowly
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: killed in the most humiliating way they can think of. Yes,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: the rest of the women are blonde in different shades
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: of blond, and they are killed or not killed in
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: the order that they display moral behavior quote unquote. So
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: the woman who is the blondest and has sex, of course,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: is the first to go. Tiffany seems like she is
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: only rescued by the fact that she has a boyfriend.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: I would say the same for the Paris Hilton insert character, like.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Who gets damseled and then has to be saved by
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: the kickboxing tournament.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Guys her boyfriend. Like every blonde who isn't killed is
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: damseled at some point. I think the only one we
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: see fight back is Claire, who is interestingly the only
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: white brunette woman, which is just like so over the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: top ridiculous. It's also implied that she's the only woman
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: with any ambitions outside of this, because we find out
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: she's about to become a lawyer we know nothing about,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: which of course doesn't come back, but we know doesn't
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: we're just told that.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Pay off in any way or anything.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: But all of the other blonde women she's surrounded by
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: appear to have either no backstory whatsoever outside of being
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: horny or privileged or being a mother. So just all
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: of these very stock character tropy things. I wanted to
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: just take a quick moment to remind if you were
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: not aware of Juliana Margulis, I just like, is just
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: a very vile You can feel free to look up
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Juliana Margalise zionist comments if you would like your day
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: absolutely ruined. Very unpleasant to see her pop up in
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: any context. But as far as her character goes, yeah,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: it's you know, I don't know. I'm a white brunette lady,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: and I do have a rich in her life, but
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: so is everyone else, Like it was, and even her
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: character is just so you know, she keeps it together,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: but then she cries once. And then that was another
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: moment where I was like, does it think she and
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Sam Jackson are viving?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: Like completely went over my head?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: What did you think about that? I was just so
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: not into it.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: I do think it's worth pointing out that so the end,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: as we have hinted at, there are several hetero romances
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: that are just wedged in at the very end. One
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: is between Sean and the flight attendant named Tiffany. They
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: kiss for some reason, and then he's like, yeah, i'll
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: definitely see you later. Let's let's go out. I'll take
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: you to dinner, blah blah blah. Now, normally a kiss
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: like that would be reserved for the male protagonist and
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: then some woman, but since the protagonist is Samuel L.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Jackson and interracial on screen kisses were still not very
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: common in two thousand and six. Yeah, there is this,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: you know, romance wedged in between him and the Claire character,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: but they don't have any kind of kiss or anything
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: like that. It's just like, yeah, here's my number, let's
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: go to dinner.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of I think we talked about this
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: originally in Bad Boys, which I know is not a
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: two thousand Smivie either.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: That are men in Black Men and Black Will Smith movies.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where it's you know, I think that at first glance,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, wow, this movie showed restraint, not really
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: leaning into it. But then there is the racialized aspect
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, I collecked that as well, and I'm
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: not saying that that is not happening here. I very
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: much believe that it could be. I just also but
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: even story wise, it's hinted at so late in the
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: movie between two characters who are objectively not vibing that.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I think they just
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: like took they were they were using Speed as a
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: playbook totally, and they were like, Okay, Keanu, he's the
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: cop character. There's gonna be someone on the vehicle, whether
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: it be a bus or a plane, who is gonna
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: sort of emerge as the like prominent helper woman for Speed.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: It's Sandra Bullock's.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: Character prominent helper woman. And then yeah, Juliana Markleys is
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: kind of like CVS brand Sandra Bullock and I'm in
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: many ways.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, and then so she emerges as that character
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: and the movie snakes on a plane, so it's like, well, yeah,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: of course she and the protagonists have to get together
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: at the end. But they did nothing to earn that, Like, yeah,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: any moments that they were supposed to be vibing, I
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: didn't pick up on it all, and it's also completely unnecessary,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: like the fact that it happens in speed I don't
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: even mind because I'm like, sure, I'll look at Sandra
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: Bullock and Kanu kiss and they have chemistry.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: I think it is like it and it's clearly established
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: early in the movie that they're attracted to each other, Right, Yeah,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: that's important, like like that is established.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Still unnecessary narratively.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: But you know, totally, but at least you believe that
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: the movie was building towards that this happened so abruptly
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be surprised to hear that that happened
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: in reshoots or like it was a studio note something
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: like that, because it just felt I thought about that
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: conversation that we had around blockbuster movies being historically hostile
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: to interracial kisses, which it just feels like one of
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: many problems with that attempted relationship because it's also so
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: like it feels so haphazardly, just like and here's this,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: and you're like, we definitely didn't need it. But if
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: it was gonna happen, why wasn't it established at all?
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know, great question, Yeah, we don't know. Here's
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: another some other questions I have, Okay, uh, okay. Samuel L.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Jackson is describing a snake at one point to the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: snake expert, and he says it's brownish on top and
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: green on the bottom. Meanwhile, the snake he's describing is
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: so visibly blue and purple. There's no green, there's no brown.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: Didn't notice that. That's so funny. That's really great.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: That was just a little question I had. What was
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: happening there? Another question? Okay, So the young mother with
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: a baby who removes the venom from the little boy's arm.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: She's explaining how to do it. She's like, yeah, you
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: swish olive oil in your mouth to steal it from
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: the poison, and then you suck the poison out. But
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: then she just takes a gulp of the olive oil
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: and swallows it. You'd imagine that she would swish it
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: around and then spit it back out.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Like she just said she was going to do. But
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: she k that's the mother's vistom or.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: Something exactly exactly. There's a moment where three g's he
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: tries to breathe the oxygen out of like the oxygen
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: masks that drop down from the overhead thing, but it's
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: not working because they're like, oh, oxygen isn't flowing because
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: of whatever, like the snake bit the electricity, and so
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: the oxygen doesn't work. But then a couple scenes later,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: the little boy who had been bitten is breathing oxygen
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: out of a similar oxygen men he's fine, and he's fine,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: and it seems to be working, so they forgot that
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: the oxygen wasn't working.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: The rules of the plane are so all over the
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: place because there's so many times where, for the bulk
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: of this movie, the plane is actively crashing, but if
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: you watch the scene, the examples of there being even
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: vague turbulence just happens kind of whenever. But there's other
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: things where it seems like it's totally fine and we're
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: having full dialogue scenes and the snakes are the problem.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: There's like very rarely snakes and turbulence I'm imagining because
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: that would be too hard to shoot. But then like,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: don't set the movie on a plane if that's gonna
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: be too hard to shoot.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: But Jamie, the movie is called Snakes on a Plane.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: It has to be and Sam Jackson would not let
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: that be changed. I know that had to have been this.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: What are your other questions I have? I only have answers.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: That was thank you so much. That was basically it. Oh,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: the the flight attendant Ken putting a snake in a
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: microwave and says, who's your daddy now, bitch?
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, basically presses like I loved that. And it
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: seems like he pressed the snake button on the microwave
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: and the snake exploded. I was like, wow, that really
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: was perfectly timed. How could he have known what microwave
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: button would be like exactly three and a half seconds,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: enough time to explode the snake.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: I did not notice there was a button labeled snake
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: until I watched these like a few minutes of the
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Cinema Sins video for this movie. But in another movie,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: that would have been a hilarious joke.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: But that's not what this movie is. That's my guess
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: is that was a reshoot thing. Because what I think is,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know, this isn't like a part of me
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: is like, would this be a fen six minute because
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: the way that like internet culture influenced this at different
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: moments feels like weird things like the sporks joke feels
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: very two thousand and six internet culture to me, of
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: like random much sporks like sporks, bacon mustache, like just
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: all this fucking dorky hot topic bullshit from that period
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: of time that would have cracked me the hell up exactly. Yeah,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: epic random bacon like I don't know, the Sam Jackson
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: saying sporks feels very two thousand and six internet bait
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, a little more the snake button. I
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: don't even hate it, but it is like a very
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: specific kind of annoying, and it is interesting that whatever
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: that's not, we don't need to get into it. But
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: I did think it was interesting that this movie got
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: such buzz online that they literally changed parts of the
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: movie in the hopes of converting this movie looks so
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: ridiculous to I'm going to see it right, which apparently
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: did not work. I mean, this movie was financially successful,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: but I don't think the degree that they wanted because
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: they were really pushing, like they published a book called
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: Snakes on a Plane, The Guide to the Internet sensation,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: like they were really trying to turn this into like
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: a huge movie, which didn't really happen.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Right, because it had a budget of thirty three million
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: dollars production budget, which high honestly, it grossed sixty two millions,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: so it like more or less doubled its budget. But
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: that was only the production budget. I bet they spent
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: so much on marketing that this movie would actually be
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: considered a big flop.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, or like at least a wash, because
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: it just feels I don't know. I was curious because
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: this comes at an interesting point in Sam Jackson's career,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: right where I feel like Sam Jackson for basically his
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: entire career has been a supporting actor, which I think
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: is the unfortunate fate of many prominent peace people of color,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: where you know, it can be very challenging to get
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: a you know, band or role. This I was curious.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: I was like, was this supposed to be his big thing?
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: The answer is no, because he's coming off of his
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: like Mace Window years, basically like he's just finished the
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Star Wars. Uh, he's just finished his Star Wars. Well.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Impressed that you know his character's name from those movies, Jamie.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: I I remember, weirdly he was. He made one of
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: the bigger impressions to me because his saber was purple
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: and I liked that, and so I remember what his
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: name was. Boring character though it's so boring because he
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: was just in all the Senate scenes. I'm like, this
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: is so boring. Anyways, So I was curious, why did
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: sam Jackson do this movie the way he explains it.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: And I've seen this in print and in an interview,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: and I do believe him. He basically is like, it's
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: a recession. Like he said, it was the kind of
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: movie I would have gone to see when I was
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: a kid. I feel sorry for all the people that
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: are going through the whole trip of why would Samuel
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Jackson do something like this? And it's low brow. It's
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: a movie people go to movies on Saturday to get
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: away from the war in Iraq and taxes and election
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: news and pedophiles online and just go and have some fun.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: And I like doing movies that are fun. Now, the
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: way he phrases it we can take issue with. But
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I think he's basically just saying I am
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: not above doing an escapist movie because this is the
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: kind of movies I enjoyed when I was a kid,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: he said. In other interviews, that I watched that. He's like,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: those kind of tend to be the kind of movies
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: I want to do, is movies that I would really
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: enjoy seeing when I was younger, and that can be
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: Star Wars, but it can also be snakes on a plane.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: And when he phrased it like that, I was like, yeah,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. That's all I have to say about that.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no. I I was curious about that too,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: and I was just like, all right, either he just
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: has a po our person who's insisting that he defend
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: his choice to be this movie, or he really believes that.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but either way, I was so delighted
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: to see him in the movie.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: I always I also like, do appreciate I mean, this
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: movie is you know, not to drop the bit of
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: the episode. This movie's dogshit right, but like it's but
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: it's fun and it's campy, And I always appreciate when
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: an actor stands by I've like, as I think, as
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: I as I'm mature, I appreciate when an actor stands
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: by their can't be performance. But also who cares? I
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: want to do something you pointed out to me that
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize when we were talking before, was this
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: movie is weirdly high. I mean not that rotten Tomatoes
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: means nothing, right, but like, why is it so high
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: on this movie? I was shocked. I was coming in expecting,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: you know, a twelve percent.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: It's the same. The critics score on Rotten Tomatoes is
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: sixty nine percent, meaning of course that sixty nine percent
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: of critics gave this a positive of review, which is
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: so much higher than I thought. And it's a rare
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: movie that has a higher critics score than audience score,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: because the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is forty nine percent,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: meaning that only about like half the people polled or
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: who said anything about it thought that it was good.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, baffling, baffling that sixty nine percent of critics
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: were like, yeah, this is this is fine.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: I it's weird. I mean, it just feels so like
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: you would have to be in two thousand and six
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: to understand why. I don't know, because it's like at
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: the precipice of so many weird cultural changes that feel
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: very kind of like hokey now in a way that
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: it was like there's early Internet culture stuff going on,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: there's like still some oh something that I felt very
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Bush era. Not to say that this has improved in
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: any way, shape or form, but there was a moment
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: where I think it was the Bobby Kenna Valley character says,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: there's just like this broad racist thing that said in
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: the Snake trailer question mark, where it's implied that some
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: of the guy's snakes are from the Middle East. The
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: Middle East is said as if it is a single country, right,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: he says, the Middle East. That would make that snake illegal,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: wouldn't it. Just it just felt very Bush era style
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: of racism, Like the Middle East is a single place,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: and everyone and everything from this single place is illegal.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: Like that is the logic that that line bears out.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: And then the guy replies yes, and you're just like
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: this is fucking miserable. But then he changes gears and says,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: I need the list of the snakes on the plane,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: and I'm like and I'm.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Back, and he's like, give me the snake manifest.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: This literally the snake manifest And the guy's like it's
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: right over there, Like it's right over there, like yeah.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: He's keeping it easily accessible in case this scene happens.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: Just absolute nonsense. Bibe. Yeah, I don't know, do you
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: have anything else to say. It passes the Paxel test,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: if you can believe it. I a couple of.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: Times famously, as per usual, forgot to pay attention.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: So I was, I was paying attention. It passes between
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: Claire and Tiffany, it passes between I believe, it passes
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: between Claire and Grace.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: It passes.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: I mean it passes between a number of I mean,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: if we're you know, sometimes it's women talking about snakes.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: You know that's a pressing issue. Yeah, genderless icon the
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: CGI snakes.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Really blown away that. I was like, there couldn't have
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: been more than three snakes on side. There were four
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty. Where were they were they? Where the
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: hell were these snakes? I only saw computer snakes. I
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: saw one real snake.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Then it makes you wonder about the ethics of that.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: I couldn't.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't do further research into it.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: But like many things with this movie, safe to say
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: probably not good.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, I didn't really have a whole lot else.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: I did want to do more research about, like would
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: snakes behave this way? I feel like we need like
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: a like Creature Future podcast. I'm just on this movie
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: to be a help. But yeah, I have to imagine
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: that a lot of the way that snake behavior was
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: depicted was inaccurate. A lot of how you know, like
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: airplane travel was depicted.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: That I feel like we can safely say that's I
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: don't think at any point in history how that's worked.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So a nipple scale where we rate the movie
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: on a scale of zero to five nipples based on
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: examine the movie through an intersectional feminist lens. I would
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: give this a slithery, slimy zero nipples. Didn't really do
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: anything good and it did everything wrong.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: I would say, Yeah, I was gonna say, I do
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: want to just like thank our listeners one more time
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: for being so patient and waiting, you know, eight and
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: a half full years for this episode.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that you've been begging for.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we hope this met your standards, but please do
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: not spare us with your criticisms.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: We can finally handle it.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: We're finally in a place where we can accept the feedback.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: And with that, I'm going to give this zero nip.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: It is like such a wildly but I would love
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: to see this movie.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: In a theater with you specifically.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: I think that would be so much fun.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe they'll re release it in twenty twenty six for
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: the twentieth anniversary.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: It sounds honestly, and and if Sam Jackson still like
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: stands by it, ish, let's just do it like why
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: why not?
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: I just uh, I had the best time watching this movie.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: It was awful. I'm so glad you're glad to hear it,
• 1:45:16
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• 1:45:23
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• 1:45:29
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• 1:45:31
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• 1:45:32
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• 1:45:35
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• 1:45:39
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