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Jay Campbell , Five-Time International Best Selling Author · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless. Today,
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my guest is someone that I've been reading about for about I guess five years
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now. He's a little hard to get. He's playing the challenge game.
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But no, actually, Jay Campbell, who's very well known. Anybody that
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reads the Internet SE's Jay. He's always he's what's up, omnipresent on the
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Internet. And I don't think there's anyone that's a non doctor that knows more
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about hormones and peptides and well particularly testosterone. So today we have a lot
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of deep diving to do with Jay. But I just wanted everybody to know
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that you're listening to someone who has spent thirty years of his life and he's
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the perfect example of how christ this becomes an opportunity. And I'll explain that
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in just a moment, or I'll let Jay explain it. But we all
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have these times in our lives where we get challenged, and Jay had a
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huge challenge. That's a basketball player that was I don't even want to say
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where he was kicked, but I think everybody in the yeah, and that's
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correctly. Those of you who don't speak Spanish you can figure that out anyway.
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So Jay had gone went to a hormone a doctor because he was having
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side effects obviously from this horrible accident. And that doctor turned out to be
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his great hero as a doctor in Orange County who specialized in hormones, and
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he introduced him to testosterone. And so why don't you go from there,
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Jay and tell us what happened? Yeah, for sure. Well, first
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off, thank you for having me on here today, Michelle. I appreciate
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it. Whenever I get an opportunity to speak to people, you know,
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who are very knowledgeable in the biohacking space, it's an honor and I'm humbled
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and privileged to be here. So again, grateful for you to extend me
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the opportunity to just pick up that story. You know, I was thirty
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years old at the time, and it was doctor Raymond Scruggs, and I
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was recommended to him by just a Ppo doctor, you know, out of
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the you know, Ppo handbook from the job that I had at the time,
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which was working for the Los Angeles Times. And as I know,
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and I know you know, and of course you're a listening audience and knows
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there's no coincidences in the universe, only synchronicities. He turned out to be
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a Harvard educated undercronologist, and he knew how to use therapeutic testosterone. And
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again, this is a nineteen ninety nine, so this is like twenty three
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years ago from now, when it was absolutely very few people, you know,
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outside of the what I call performance enhancement arena and Russia and Bulgaria,
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I knew anything about using therapeutic testosterone. Obviously, the bodybuilding arena and performance
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enhancement arena had their protocols and stuff, but nothing from a therapeutic value.
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I was always based on, you know, building muscle mass and competing and
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using super physiological levels. So I met with doctor Scruggs again. He was
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just recommended to me by another PPO doctor and he told me he could put
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me on theraputic testosterone. And again, you know, I was playing an
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adult men's basketball league. I played in college, and I also played somewhat
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professionally in Austria for a short term, and I was still playing in competitive
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men's leagues. And you know, I got kicked in the testicles and I
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went out and then sixty eight weeks later I was run down and broken down
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and you know, so I went to my PBO doctor and not know what
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was going on, and again he recommended me to doctor Scruggs, and then
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doctor Scruggs, you know, said he could put me on therapytic testosterone.
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He said, but before I do, go home and speak to your fiance
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who later became my wife. That was wife number one way back when shout
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outs to her Kelly, and you know, you know, we spoke and
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she was like, look, you're a smart guy. You know you have
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a background and you know molecular biology, and you know you were a quote
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unquote og biohacker at the time. So yeah, whatever, and so I
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went on it. I remember that he melling me the shots. And you
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know, it's a funny story actually, because you know, people look at
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me and they're like, you know, you, you're you. You don't
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have any fear of injecting to Stacey where it's like ninety percent of the people
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in the world are scared shitless of needles and they won't inject themselves. But
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like the true story is the first time that I injected myself, I couldn't
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do it. You know, I was sitting there holding the needle in my
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hand, freaked out like how am I going to do this? And my
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first wife at the time, again, Kelly shout outs to Kelly walk up
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to me and she's like, what are you doing? And I'm like,
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I just and she just took it and injected my quad and done and I
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was like, you know, and I'm just sitting there like going, oh
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my god, it's so easy. But the long story short, I was
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on his protocol again, very low dose of to saucer and stipp in eight
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for eight weeks. And I literally in the eight weeks that I was on
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that, all the low back pain, all the issues that I was feeling
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from, you know, feeling run down and broken left me. I felt
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reborn, revitalize, transformed. I mean it was literally awe inspiring to me.
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And when I went back to visit with him, he said, okay,
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well we can take you off now and put you on. EHC was
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like whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, bro Like, I'm not coming off
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this, Like this is life transformational. So then from that point, you
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know, again, as a thirty year a thirty and a half year old
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man, I started studying it. You know, I intently found as much
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information as I could find online. This was obviously at the very beginnings of
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the Internet in two thousand and there was not much. You know, there
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were a couple of books written by Nelson Virgel and doctor Michael Mooney, and
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they were writing from a perspective and viewpoint of a man suffering from AIDS and
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looking to survive. In fact, their book was called Built to Survive,
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and then later Nelson wrote to a saucer in a Man's Guide. And so
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anyway, the only way you could learn anything at that point in time was
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like to be on underground various what we're really you snet bodybuilding forums and performance
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enhancement forums, and so I got deep into those, and I would you
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meet with quote unquote anonymous handles of people who were you know, veterans in
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that world and had been using therapeutic to stoscerone and of course other things for
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a long time. And I just became a student of that. And eventually,
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you know, the truth is is it became like a story of like
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people would meet me in my professional world and they would be very impressed with
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my physique and they would ask me how I did what I did, and
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looked the way I did, and I would always tell them because I'm again
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a note, no filter, transparent, authentic guy. I would say to
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him, oh, I use a low dose of therapeutic tooscerone. So then
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at that point I would be met with like, oh my god, shame
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on you, you're using steroids, or it would be the opposite. It
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would be like, you know, the higher vibrational people would be like fascinating,
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tell me more. So eventually, eventually, my you know, higher
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vibration sophisticated friends, which thankfully I had a few, were like, bro,
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you got to write a book on this. You know more about this
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than anybody on the planet. You got to share your expertise with others.
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And so I was like, hey, you know, I had a successful
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career at that point point in time in the real estate industry with my wife,
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and I didn't want to do anything that I felt like could get me
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in trouble. So I reached out to Rick Collins, who is now a
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very close personal friend and I do podcasts with him all the time, who
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was essentially the famous, you know, anti steroid attorney for Major League Baseball
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and professional wrestling and Hollywood and all these other things, and He didn't know
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me from Adam, but I made it. Basically sent him a white paper
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of my book. You know, it's a very abridged version, and said,
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look, if a lay person with a non medical background was to write
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a book about this, what could happen to me? He literally wrote me
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back within a day and he read my PDF or white paper and he was
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like, look, this is really awesome stuff. He goes, but I
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got to be honest with you. As an attorney, it just takes one
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senator to get a bug up their ass about you, and then you're paying
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me, you know, a good about of money to get you keep you
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from any kind of harm. So I was like, I'm not gonna do
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it. I shelved it, but I thankfully also sent the white paper to
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Nelson Burgel And there were a couple of other people that I sent it to
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too, and they never really got back to me. But Nelson responded to
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me four months later and in the middle of the night in an email,
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and and again I didn't know him either. I just found his email address
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online and said, look, I don't know who you are, but this
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is profound and you have to write this book and you have to share it
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with the world, and you know, I wrote him back immediately when I
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got his email, you know, being excited and everything. I said,
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oh, you know, I'm not going to do it anymore because Rick Collins
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and he was like, he immediately was like, what's your phone number?
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And you know, I wrote him back with mine and he texted me and
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then we ended up having a conversation. He goes, look, man,
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he goes, I love Rick, and I know Rick personally too, but
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Rick is just doing his job as an attorney. You got to put this
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information out into the ether. So that was in twenty thirteen. In twenty
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fourteen, I started writing the book and he helped me. He you know,
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as I always say, stepping on the shoulders of giants. He mentored,
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he counseled me. The book went through various publishing delays and eventually finally
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it was published in November of twenty fifteen, and it was, you know,
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really a sensation. In the first like sixty eight months, it was
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on Amazon. You know, all the doctor an Allopathic world embraced it,
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and that original book was called The Definitive TRT Manual. And then from there,
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Michelle, you know, I met a lot of people I started,
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you know, going to the medical conferences and stuff like that. I was
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still not really as accepted as I am now because I was an outsider and
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obviously I didn't have a medical degree. But the people that were knowledgeable about
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that knew about my work and knew of the book, and they were like,
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this is the book that I recommend for my patients, and it's the
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book that I utilized to guide my practice. And then eventually, as I
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met you know, better doctors and smarter doctors and some of the real world's
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leading thought leaders in the matter, you know, coming up all of this
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together just collectively collaborated on the main book, which is the definitive, not
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the definitive, but the Tesasama Oppomisation Therapy Bible, which was which came out
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in twenty eighteen. Because again it was also a publishing fiasco because I heard
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Mark Cubans, you know, but whatever bestsell we're publishing, you know,
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to do a giant publishing ordeal. That's a whole nother story for another day.
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But it took them way too long to finally publish it, so it
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didn't come out until the end February twenty eighteen, but obviously it became the
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number one selling book of all time on the subject matter. People still refer
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to it. The best doctors in the world, you know, will literally
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tell you that it took somebody like me to write it because doctors couldn't come
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together and a unified front and write all that information. And thankfully a lay
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person published it. But I had obviously a lot of great information from the
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top docs and so you know, I probably had eight or nine doctors that
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helped me write it. And it is a monster, you know, it's
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six hundred and seventy pages, it's got over thirteen hundred scientific references. But
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I mean it is still to this day the document that doctors refer to when
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they recommend both to their patients and to their you know, other people that
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meant or underneath them, you know, younger coming into the marketplace, doctors,
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you know, first and second, third year residence to get their information
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on testosteron. Now that book is also has a chapter in there on women,
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and it's probably sixty five to seventy percent right, because obviously the evidence
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has changed in the six years since that book was written, so it really
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does need to be updated and you know, in truth, probably the men's
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stuff is only about eighty to eighty five percent accurate now too, because again
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we've discovered a lot more things in the last six years. But you know,
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it still stands the test of time because most of the stuff that's in
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there is again based on the evidence, and the evidence was never weighed and
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measured in any way that anybody had had ever been able to like collectively put
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together in one book. So, you know, since then to fast forward
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today, I literally am working with the best doctors in the world on hormone
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optimization. You know, we even do a podcast weekly on Wednesday nights.
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It's called the Doctors Roundtable. It's got three of the best doctors in the
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world, and sometimes I'll bring other doctors that are in that network to come
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on the show and stuff like that. And obviously I've written other books now
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on peptides. My newest book, which just came out literally ten days ago,
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is Scaring thirty Days to Shreds, five hundred page book on fat loss.
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discipline, because writing a book just in and of itself is a huge challenge,
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never mind writing five award all time best selling books and two of them
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being on subjects or three of them being on subjects that are so important to
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all of us. The obviously the issue for men today at testosterone laws due
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to a lot of environmental factors that we can get into. But I think
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the most important thing to say is that there is a crisis today with men
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particularly. I mean women should have good testosterone levels too, just like men
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need to have estrogen levels. But but you focused, as you said,
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eighty five percent thereabouts, was focused on men. So so let's just make
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the statement that there is a crisis in today's world for men losing testosterone at
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a rate that is alarming. And you've come along and provided an answer many
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answers that are and coming from a non medical person that where the medical community
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has embraced you. That in itself is such a huge accomplishment, Jay,
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because you know their medical community very often they looked there down their nose at
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anyone that's not feed and they've accepted you, and not only accepted you,
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but they've embraced your theories and used you with their patients. I think that
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itself is probably one of the I mean, I'm just making the statement.
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I don't know how you feel, but if I were you, that would
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be one of my greatest accomplishments, being able to get through the over the
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threshold of resistance that you're a lay person writing a book at the medical community,
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and I mean the experts in the medical not just run to the mill,
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you know, family doctor, but these are experts in in endocrinology and
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hormones and so forth, and functional medicine, and they have you know,
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used you as their as their well so called bible. Good name for the
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book, by the way, Yeah, it's it's awesome that you say it
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in that way. And you know, sometimes obviously we all suffer from imposter
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syndrome. But it is a very special thing that is near and dear to
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my heart that I have built, you know, so many collective, amazing
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relationships in the medical community. And you're right, I mean, the top
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doctors in the world absolutely support the book. You know, I'm very very
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close friends with you know, doctor Mark Gordon, who's been you know,
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on the Joe Rogan podcast like six or seven times and does profound you know,
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literally pro bono and volunteer work with our military, you know, who
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have suffered ct ease and you know, all sorts of concussive post concussive blast
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disorders and all these things. And so you know, doctor Rob coming on,
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doctor Keith Nichols, doctor Jim Mehan. I mean the list goes on
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and on, doctor Rudy Everwine, I mean, all the top doctors,
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doctor Raymond Morgan Taylor. I mean, it's just it's unreal like that,
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Yeah, that I have this illustrious panel of clinicians, you know, to
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to to to basically bounce ideas off of and rub shoulders with, and uh,
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it is. It's an amazing thing. And you know, I think,
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as my wife will say, now, like when we go to the
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medical conferences, which you know we still go to two of them usually a
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year. At one time, I was going to all of them because I
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really obviously wanted to meet as many people as possible and get my name out
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there. But it's funny to see, you know, thinking back in twenty
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fourteen and twenty and fifteen when I was first doing this to now going to
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these things and literally people stopping me in my tracks, coming up to me,
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taking pictures with me and saying, oh my god, you have no
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idea, Like without you, I wouldn't be where I'm at, you know.
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So it's the circle has come full and it's it's pretty amazing and uh,
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you know, and truthfully, just to be humble, you know,
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like I still learn from all of them. I mean a lot of these
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folks continue to message me and reach out to me and ask me questions and
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oftentimes like they're questions that I really can't answer and say, you know,
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that's an amazing question. You know, that's something that we really still have
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to figure out. So it is, it has been a great honor for
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me to you know, learn from them and now actually you know, be
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like as you said, you know, looked at as kind of really the
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leading subject matter expert on it now and so truly it has come full circle.
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But again I'm you know, I'm no dummy. I mean I realize
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that the more I learned, the less I know, Right, So it's
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just you just continue to just source the information and realistically you have to be
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willing to adapt and pivot. You know, you can't be so stuck and
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hard on your awareness or your learnings that you think that you know it all.
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You know, as soon as something better comes into the marketplace, that's
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evidence base. You have to change. And you know, I have to
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adapt. And that's I think my greatest strength, as I can absolutely look
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right in the mirror and say, you know what, we were wrong here
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and it's time to you know, shift the boundaries. And I think,
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if there's a problem in medicine, and I know you know this, it's
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that they don't move fast enough. You know. They like to say that
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medicine has so much inertia. It's like a gigantic aircraft carrier in the Pacific
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attempting to go to the Atlantic. It's gonna take thirty years to turn around,
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you know. And then you get a factor in fuel costs and government
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bureaucracy and all that stuff. So thankfully, because I'm not attached to that,
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I can change my opinion and I can go where the evidence shows me,
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and I can do it pretty quickly. Well, let's take a deep
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dive. Let's miss so many topics that we need to delve into. So
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tell us first one sentence if you were, if you were giving one sentence
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to summarize where we are and what we should be doing today with testosterone,
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what would that one sentence be. Well, it's an amazing question. I'd
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have to think, but just off the top of my head, it's just
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you know, do you know your lab values? You know, if you're
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a man or a woman and you're aging, And let's be honest, I
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mean, we are in a contaminated world, a contaminated environment. If you
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are in a first world country, you are under siege from plastics, from
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endicond disrupting chemicals, from thighlights, from BPA, from the ship they spray
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in the sky, from the stuff that's in our water, from from the
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EMFs, from the screens that we're on, from the phones that we hold.
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I always tell people, you don't really understand, like these polymer resin
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plastics that are on the covers of our phones, these are military grade resin,
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and these things literally go right into the cuticle of our skins and contaminate
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our endocrine systems. So I mean, there's really no way to avoid it.
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And so I always like to tell people like number one, you must
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know your levels. You must get serum blood tests done at least once,
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if not twice a year, especially when you're on therapeutic testosperone. But you
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know, Michelle, the truth is, you know, without like overstepping my
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balance because I know we're going to get deeper into this, but the biggest
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tool in the tool belt now for both men and women is therapeutic testosterone.
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It is the one tool that will equalize all of us or all of everybody
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in this contaminated sea of chaos. Right. So this is so, this
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is so exciting to talk about because so many people have issues with erectile dysfunction,
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with muscle tone, with with with their not libido that I already said
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libido, but there with their strength, just their overall strength in their and
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their discipline, attitude, and so much of it. The root cause of
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it is testosterone. And you most you know, allopathic medical doctors don't even
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ask you when you go in to see them about the you know, your
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issues. They don't ask you to do anything with hormones. So we have
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a big gap here where we have to educate people to ask for This is
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where we take responsibility for our own health ask for those blood tests that you're
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mentioning. So go to the blood test for a moment, Jay, And
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what Look, there's so many ways to get your labs right. You can
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do saliva, you can do urine. You know, you can do serran
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blood. I heard your one doctor on your podcast, Rudy. I think
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it was saying about the liquid chromatography. So what, in your opinion,
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is the best and most accurate way to measure your hormones. So this is
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a great question and we literally just talked about this last night on the Doctor's
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Roundtable podcast. So there are many ways, but all of them are flawed.
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The only one that is not flawed, and even when I say is
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not flawed, it could be flawed depending on the person reading them, and
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also the time of the day that you're getting measured is the liquid chromatography or
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which is called is lcms. And that is a rum panel, which means
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again it's drawn by the blood. Right, so you've had you're having blood
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withdrawn from you. Salivary tests are absolutely worthless. They cannot measure free testosterone.
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They are also fraught with contamination from eating you know, insulin. I
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mean, there's all sorts of like salivary enzymes that can contaminate the test.
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In fact, the only thing that can be measured from saliva a saliva test
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is cortisolve. But I don't want a rabbit hole on that. But so
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a serum blood test, liquid spectromty or chromatography, which is again called LCMS,
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is the only shotproof way. And even when I say shotproof, people
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don't realize there's various laboratory panel or company ranges. You've got lab Corp,
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you've got Questions, you've got private end labs, direct labs, discount of
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labs, all these different companies, and they're also measuring the gradient based on
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the time of the day that you're tested. Right, So if a person
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is like using therapeutic testosterone and they take a test like after they dosed,
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whether it's you know, transdermal or injectable, it can still show higher versus
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if they're at the troth of their dosage, which means they take a day
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off or they take what they call a holiday and they don't have an injection
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and then test. So it's it's difficult to like actually get a level.
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But for you know, for the average person listening to this as you were
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saying, who's not using therapeutic tesofcer who doesn't even realize they have a testoscerin
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deficiency. And by the way, you know, this is my opinion,
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you know, and obviously it's a very informed opinion, but I believe personally,
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and it's not even a belief anymore, it's a knowing. That's seventy
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five percent of men in western large urban population centers, cities, you know,
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states, whatever you want to call them, have a tesofcer inefficiency and
23:40
it's not being addressed. And for the reasons that you just said. And
23:44
realistically, when they do go to a doctor, and by the way,
23:47
most of them never go. They only go when their wife pushes them to
23:51
go because they can't get an erection anymore. These guys go to their average
23:56
you know, just call them garden variety family doctors, PPO doctors, HMO
24:00
doctors, insurance doctors. And as you said, they don't know jack smack
24:07
about giving or authorizing therapeutic testosterone. Not only do they not know that,
24:11
they don't even know how to read blood levels. The average physician doesn't understand
24:15
the difference between total testosterone and free testosterone. They have no clue So when
24:19
these guys come into them and they say, hey, doc, my wife
24:22
wants me to get my testosterone levels checked, this is the first thing they
24:26
say, Oh, you don't need that, you're young. You know,
24:27
you're thirty five year, forty five year whatever. And then they say what's
24:32
your symptoms? They check for symptoms right, and they're like, well,
24:34
you know, I have brain fog, I'm depressed, I have belly fat,
24:37
and I can't get in a direction. So what do they say,
24:41
Oh, well, I can solve this easily. I can give you an
24:42
SSRI wellbutrin or whatever it does to you know, give you to improve your
24:47
mood and get ready your depression. And then they also write a script for
24:52
PD five inhibitor like biagra or levitra are sealis, you know, again a
24:56
blue or pink pill to give them a direction to increase nightr oxide formation,
25:00
never addressing the root cause, which is a testosterone deficiency which causes all those
25:06
other things. So sadly it gets worse for these guys because we know SSR
25:11
eyes actually lower testosterone, They lower circulating pre testosterone, the increased insulin resistance
25:18
leading to more inflammation, leading to more belly fat. Look Michelle, the
25:23
real truth of the matter is there isn't a man in America today that has
25:27
a belly. And when I say a belly, I mean like it protrudes
25:32
over their belt where they can't see their penis, they can't see their penis
25:34
erect or they can't see their penis flaccid, and those guys cannot get an
25:41
erection because what's happening biologically in a belly like that is that there's all that
25:47
visceral body fat. That visceral body fat is a highly highly inflammatory substance.
25:52
In fact, it's more inflammatory than kerosene. And so that inflammatory visceral fat
25:57
is creating a massive cytokine storm and their cells at all times preventing them from
26:04
getting a direction. Now we were talking about this on the show two weeks
26:08
ago, and this is again a pet theory of mine. But viagra,
26:12
which is a very nasty drug, which obviously does increase erections and can increase
26:18
nitric oxide, it's given to fat guys with bellies because it's the only thing
26:23
that will overcome that cytokine resistance or that insulin resistance in those cytokine storms.
26:29
But Michelle, it also causes heart attacks. So my guess is, and
26:33
again nobody's really put this out there, but I do now because I'm pretty
26:37
confident in it. Like I believe that the majority of adult males in America
26:42
who die of heart attacks are dying from taking a hundred milligrams of viagra and
26:48
stroking out. Now again, they're attempting to have sex, they want to
26:52
please their wives, they want to get a heart on. They can't naturally
26:56
because of their belly fat, their inflammation, and their insulin resistance. And
26:59
so by making this it causes massive vascular reclusion. Right, so it stimulates
27:03
nydrogoxide formation, but it also just lessons and can cause a heart palpitation or
27:07
it can cause a heart attack. So many of these dudes are just keeling
27:11
over from taking one hundred milligrams of biagra. And then what about the other
27:17
objection to testosterone, which is that it'll cause you to get prostate cancer.
27:22
That's that's the old that's a total that's the total inversion of the reality.
27:26
The reality is we now know this and again thanks to doctor Abraham Morgan Taylor
27:32
at Harvard and his landmark research, it's actually a testosterone deficiency that causes PCAA
27:41
or prostatic cancer. It's the opposite of what people have believed for literally decades.
27:45
In fact, now mainline or frontline treatment for prostatatic prostatatic cancers of end
27:55
stage, which is like stage three, stage four, stage five, is
27:56
what they call supersaturation dursus of tests room because at high level dosage of testosterone
28:02
actually cause apoptosis of the prostate cancer tumors. So it's a total inversion of
28:07
what people have thought. We now know that therapeutic testosterone is probably the best
28:15
front line treatment for preventing men as they age from getting prostate cancer. And
28:19
look, it's very very you know, it's very important that we communicate that
28:26
almost all men who live beyond eighty are going to have a mild form of
28:30
prostate cancer. It's just the what happens to that it's essentially of a stigial
28:34
organ. We don't even know why it's there, but it's there. And
28:37
as a man gets older, it increases in size. It makes a man
28:41
in their fifties and sixties have to usually get up once or twice a night
28:45
when they you know, to go to the bathroom because again, as it
28:47
increases in size, it also runs up against the urethra, and it runs
28:51
up against all that you know called hormonal machinery down there, and so it
28:56
starts pressing up against things that make you lose sensitivity or constrict the flow of
29:02
urine and a lot of those things. And so it's just it's just the
29:06
way it is. But I mean again, we now know again through doctor
29:07
Morgan Tower and a lot of the physicians that I work with, in the
29:11
science that's come out, we know that a you know, a healthy level
29:15
of free and total testosterone as a man ages is normally enough to prevent prostatic
29:22
cancer. The other thing it's important to know is that like when you do
29:25
get prostatic cancer, it's very important to seek out multiple diagnosis is from different
29:30
physicians because a lot of them literally want to put you on testosterone deprivation,
29:34
which is literally worse than death itself. Yes, yes, And so just
29:41
for our viewers, apoptosis means cell turnover. That's a word that j just
29:48
used when we're talking about the prostate and the other terms I think people need
29:53
to know is what is the difference between free and total testosterone in the blood
29:59
test that they're going to do. Yeah, for sure, it's a great
30:02
question. Again, most doctors don't know this. So total testosterone is just
30:06
the measurement of the amount of testosterone flowing through a man's biological systems in vast
30:11
score systems. It's not what it's called free or unbound testosterone, which is
30:18
the actual measure amount of testosterone that's usable to the male biological system. So
30:25
basically, measuring free testosterone is the most important measurement tool or the most important
30:30
biomarker to understand, because total testosterone is not bound, is mostly bound up
30:36
in the body and so not usable by the body. So the free testosterone
30:38
measurement is the amount that's actually usable by the mail. And it's important that
30:44
you always measure free because a lot of men will show a average to mid
30:48
level or even sometimes a high level of total testosterone and have no free testosterone,
30:53
and the doctors who don't understand the difference between the two will miss that
30:56
diagnosis of testosterone deficiency because they'll see a six hundred eight hundred on the total
31:02
level and say, oh, you're fine, not realizing that the free testosterone
31:06
level they have is so low that they're not getting they have no access to
31:10
actually any testosterone in their body. Well, okay, what would cause that?
31:12
If you would have a six hundred total and only you know, a
31:18
subnormal, suboptimal free what would be the reason. I mean, it's usually
31:23
multi causal, but the normal reason is a genetics and B lifestyle. And
31:29
again B lifestyle is a guy with a belly, drinks too much alcohol,
31:33
consumes too much sugar, has too much visceral body fat and insulin resistance,
31:37
so not normally free. Low free testosterone is a result of lifestyle, which
31:41
again is also the result of like high inflammation. So if you're living in
31:45
inflammatory lifestyle, again, you're not getting quality a sleep, you consume too
31:49
much alcohol, you eat too much sugar, you eat too many gmo and
31:53
seed oil foods, which oh, by the way is the standard American diet,
31:57
and you're likely going to have a DEFICI can see a free testosterone.
32:00
And again, all this stuff is easily solvable by a cleaning up your lifestyle,
32:04
reducing your insulin living what I call insulin controlled, obviously dropping body fat
32:09
and ultimately inflammation. And then of course, you know, considering it going
32:15
on with a physician that can offer you a surgically precise dose of therapeutic test.
32:19
So you you reference men, what about women, same thing. There's
32:22
absolutely no difference. In fact, let's let's explain this. So the only
32:28
difference between men and women is the amount of testosterone that the embryo was exposed
32:34
to in utero. So a man has more testosterone in utero or exposure to
32:40
testosterone than a female. So an x Y chromosome or an xx an xx
32:45
chronosome, so obviously x Y gets more exposure. It's a sascerone and then
32:49
develops into the male or the masculine sexual androgenic characteristics. This is why in
32:55
the world of trans uh, you know all this trans stuff that's going on
33:00
today, people can transition, and how they transition if they're a female to
33:06
a man, is by giving them more testosterone, okay, And then the
33:10
opposite is for the opposite of trans of a trans right, So going from
33:15
a male to female you have to cut off usually and which will suppress the
33:21
production of testosterone. So people are so confused by all this, but the
33:23
reality is is the only differentiation is that a man has more in normal times
33:30
natural testosterone production than a female does. And so just as we all age
33:35
male and females. As we lessen or sessate the production of both total and
33:40
free testosterone, we lose the advantages of youth, we lose the advantages of
33:47
strong, virile biological life forms. You know, when we give a person
33:52
male or female, a therapeutic dose of testosterone, we simulate a healthier biological
33:57
cell, We simulate a healthier, earlier stage biological life form. So you
34:01
know, again there's so much transform transformative beneficial effects at the tissue level when
34:08
we give a person who's aging therapeutic testosterone. But again, as you know,
34:14
the average clinician has no clue about any of this. So what is
34:17
the optimum level for let's say, a middle aged man and the middle aged
34:23
woman for free test posture because the total is maybe maybe somewhat meaningless, but
34:30
let's go to the one that really counts. Well, that's an awesome that's
34:34
an amazing question. I mean, honestly, I could give you a lot
34:37
of different answers, but the answer in my learnings in the last twenty five
34:43
years of this, you know, the mentors who have really guided me in
34:46
this always taught me that the two found goal of therapeutic hormones. Then this
34:51
is in moth and men and women is happiness and balance. Now, happiness
34:55
is a transient state, whereas joy is a minute state of being. And
35:00
obviously we can choose to be enjoyed or we can choose to not be enjoyed.
35:04
But in reality, I like to change that by saying, like the
35:07
two found goal of optimizing our hormones is living in a state of joy and
35:10
feeling balanced. Right, So it's like the levels, the numbers are really
35:15
just pieces of paper or measurements on a piece of paper. They're not the
35:19
all be all, end all guideline or determinant. But in most men,
35:25
a free testosterone level of thirty five to fifty is where they're going to feel
35:30
amazing. You know, we talked about this on the show last night,
35:32
like when you feel when you're When you measure a man's free testosterone and there's
35:37
somewhere between forty and fifty, the likelihood that they say I feel great,
35:40
doc is high. Now, again, there's always reasons and out leaders why
35:45
it doesn't. You know, a lot of people you know have mental illness
35:47
and other forms of issues and stuff like that that are created from fear,
35:52
and they're psychogenic experience and stuff like that, and even at a high free
35:55
testosterone level keeps them in a state of like, you know, not feeling
35:59
good. But for the most part, you know, buy and large,
36:01
an average male in a forty to fifty range of free testacerone is going to
36:05
feel amazing. Uh. You know, they don't really look at free test
36:07
s oscecerone and a woman like they do and men from a level standpoint or
36:12
a gradient standpoint. But the same thing stands true for a woman. Uh,
36:15
Perimenopausal, postmenopausal and premenopausal women all usually benefit from a very low dosage
36:23
of therapeutic test saucerone and again, but a low dosage jay to interrupt me.
36:28
So it's a great question. No, I mean it's a great question.
36:30
I mean again, for women, it's harder for me to give you.
36:34
I mean, I can give you dosage. Uh, you know,
36:36
forms and stuff like that, and and and and and the minimal amounts that
36:38
are usually experienced. But women are so different and so all over the board
36:44
from a hormonal perspective, because you have to factor in a lot of women
36:46
have had hysterectomies, and and when you give a woman hysterectomy, you castrate
36:52
them. That's the same thing as castrating a man. You give a woman
36:57
herist directed me, it's a castration. I mean, look, I just
37:00
had this profound podcast yesterday with Susan Braxton, the sexologist, and she knows
37:05
more about female and that anatomical and sexual health than probably any doctor on a
37:08
fricking planet. And she's like me too. She's not a physician, but
37:12
she's genius. And she was talking about the woman's vulva and the cliteral head
37:16
and how underneath that skin right there, that women have a penis. And
37:20
it's it's absolutely the truth because and you know, and we're getting deep here,
37:23
but this is irrelevant. That's okay. Yeah, if you give a
37:28
woman a lot of testosterone, they will absolutely develop a cliteral head that resembles
37:34
a penis, and so they become like an oversize or engorged or you know,
37:38
just call it an over and large clitteresst and it looks like and again
37:43
this is you know, very well known in the bodybuilding world for women that
37:45
take performance enhancing substances, you know, become like dudes and very muscular.
37:50
They have a penis. It's it's it's the clitterist becomes like a penis.
37:53
And so she was talking about this in a scientific way yesterday and saying,
37:57
oh, yeah, well, if you open the woman up up there on
38:00
vulvic chamber, that volvic area region, you would see the anatomy of the
38:05
woman's penis underneath the skin. So I mean, again, we're going back
38:07
to the idea or the reality that men and women are not different. The
38:13
only differentiation biologically is the amount of sexual excuse me, testosterone that they're exposed
38:19
to in utero sore Now outside of the euro and you know, when I
38:22
say in utero, we're talking about the zygot you know, just the insemination
38:25
has just happened, and now the embryo is in the woman's you know,
38:30
gestational area of pregnancy. And it's how much a testosterone is exposed to determines
38:36
the sexual differentiation. But now we're outside of the womb and we're normal humans
38:40
walking around and we're talking about transitioning again. The differentiation is how much testosterone
38:47
or how little testosterone that biological being has. And so the less testosterone,
38:53
the more feminine. The more testosterone, the more masculine. So this this
38:59
it's weird, but it gets easy when you really start looking at it from
39:01
a biological perspective, you know, Jay, I'm want to just say,
39:07
because every time you know an expert like you've talked, of course, you
39:10
think about your own self and and you know, I've always had a very
39:15
high testosteroneccount for a woman, but I'm also very feminine and I know that.
39:21
I mean, I have no hair, you know, I'm not the
39:24
facial hair, none of that. But but I am very muscular. But
39:28
I know that I well, I mean, when we got my blood work
39:32
back recently, my doctor's hormonal expert in Beverly Hills said, Wow, you
39:39
must have quite the clitterers. Maybe she made me blush because I thought about
39:46
that, but that was what exactly what you're talking about is. Jusus Saxton
39:52
was saying. I had never heard that before. And frankly, I don't
39:54
even notice the difference when my testoster count is lower than high. But that's
40:00
just me, and you know, I'm one person. I'm sure many people
40:04
are far more sensitive to their levels. So what is the best way for
40:09
a woman. Let's take just a woman now, because that's the ten percent
40:14
that you focus on. What's the best way to take testosterone. Should it
40:19
always be injection or can it be sublingual? What? Well? I mean,
40:22
this is another amazing question. So the answer is whatever suits that individual
40:28
person's affect model, you know from experience. And I literally just got into
40:34
a big debate on Instagram of all places, and like three days ago with
40:37
like some of the world's leading uh let's call them strength and physique coaches that
40:43
work with women women competitor not bodybuilders, but like women bikini and physique competitors,
40:49
because these are the women that are usually using a surgically precise dose of
40:52
testosterone. Sometimes they're combining it with like, you know, very low dose
40:54
antibolics like alexandrolone, which is animar, and then there's other things that is
41:00
they'll use like DHT derivatives and stuff very low dose. But again, this
41:04
is like the leaders in the in the field, and so we really think
41:06
at high levels that and it's always within the context of health and longevity.
41:09
You know, we're not the typical bro idiots, you know, giving women
41:13
super high levels and then making them into guys. But the question, it's
41:17
a great question because the answer is it's difficult. You can use all of
41:22
the delivery systems. So let me just break down delivery systems right now.
41:27
So in men, there's two delivery systems that are preferred, and it's transdermal,
41:31
okay. And and when I say transdermal, I want to be very
41:35
defined and very definitive from a standpoint of saying, on the base of the
41:38
scrotum is the best place for a transdermal which is again a skin delivery system,
41:45
because the base of the scrotum, which by the way, here we
41:47
go getting into women again, is the same as the clitteral head. The
41:52
communication of the skin is eight times thinner and more transversible than any other skin
41:59
area on the body. So if you put transcrotal or cream on a man's
42:04
base of his scrotum, it absorbs eight times better than anywhere else. By
42:07
the way, same thing in a woman's clitteral area. Some people will put
42:10
it on the vaginal lips, but the clitteral hood is where cream is going
42:15
to be best absorbed for the exact same reason as the scrotum. Now,
42:21
go ahead, second, just because this is really a burning question. What
42:23
is the derivative of that cream? Where where, how is it made?
42:29
Where does it come from? So there's it's another great question. So there's
42:31
like three of like the top selling creams. Uh. There's Attrivaceous, which
42:37
is the newest one, and the one that they say is like the most
42:40
efficacious because it's more stable longer than the other two, and the other two
42:45
have been around the longest. It's what I use, and it's HRT and
42:49
uh, and I forgot the other one. I think it's TRT at HRT.
42:51
But basically they're made from yams and they're made into a you know,
42:57
various grades. Now again, remember a man is taking like a two hundred
43:00
milligram per milli leader solution of a compounded formulation, and a woman is using
43:07
anywhere from like I've seen like point five milligrams all the way up to like
43:12
five milligrams now five milligrams in a cream for most women. Again there's always
43:17
out leaders is too much Like point five to two point five is usually where
43:22
I see, like you get the best success rate. And again this is
43:27
just cream. Now you asked about injections for women. It's possible to do
43:32
injections for women, but the problem is is that most of the formulations of
43:37
injectable testosterone are not made a small enough dosage to inject women in an area
43:45
or in a way that won't overdose them. And what I mean by that
43:49
is is you don't normally see testosterone injectable formulations under fifty milligrams per CC.
43:55
And for a woman to inject testosterone correctly, I'm serious, they shouldn't even
44:00
be getting more than like five to seven and a half milligrams a week.
44:04
That's like seven and a half milligrams is a high end now for comparison,
44:08
comparison or comparison and contrast sakes for people that are not new, not aware
44:13
of this stuff. And by the way, this is you're asking some really
44:15
amazing questions. This is a podcast I'm going to be putting on my page
44:19
because I don't really get these kind of questions asked. So thank you for
44:21
you for these great questions. The truth is, men's injectable formulations are usually
44:28
two hundred milligrams for milli leader right, So that's a massive, you know,
44:32
fifteen to twenty x or twentyfold increase over what an injectable formulation, a
44:37
proper injectable formulation for a woman should be. So like we have to understand
44:42
that, like when we talk about injectable to sauce from for a woman.
44:45
The only way it would work is if that woman or that woman's doctor was
44:50
compounding a special essentially a proprietary low milligram formulation of injectable testostero. Now again
44:59
sick and a propionate and and date. They're different mostly from a half life
45:05
perspective, and that some of them lasts a little bit longer than others.
45:07
But what's important Michelle to focus on, and a lot of doctors get lost
45:10
on this, is that at the end of the day, the only thing
45:15
that matters is that testosterone is testosterone, and when it cleaves molecularly in the
45:20
human blood stream, the derivative at the end of the day is the same.
45:23
So whether you get a fast acting or a slower acting, or a
45:28
moderate acting, or even a combination of all the three, which is what
45:30
they do in Europe with Sustanon at the at the at the end of the
45:36
day, the testosterone molecule cleaves into the exact same molecule. It's not different
45:40
just because it has a faster half life or a slower half life. So
45:45
nobody science Scott and and the formulators of this they got too caught up in
45:50
that fifteen or twenty years ago, and now we realize that it doesn't matter
45:54
because at the end of the day, once it breaks down in the bloodstream,
45:58
it's the same substance. So when it's a cream, it's it's from
46:00
yams, just like estrogen or the three estrogen to bis. I mean,
46:07
And when it's from an injectible, is it the same derivatives or is it
46:12
coming from some chemical source. That's another good question. It can be from
46:16
a different chemical source. But again, bioidentical testosterone, when it's synthesized,
46:22
is the same as the testosterone that you and I have naturally in our body.
46:24
Whether where it comes from doesn't really matter. There's multiple ways to do
46:29
it. Again, they use yams, they used to use bovine testicles.
46:34
You know, there's been a lot of ways to syntheize testosterone back in the
46:37
day. But nowadays the way they synthesize it is there's you know, probably
46:40
three or different three or four different ways to synthesize it. But the good
46:44
news is it's always biodentical to what we have. The plan problem is,
46:49
and this is something to be very focused on and emphasize in this podcast is
46:53
a lot of the manufacturers, not compounders, but the primary manufacturers, just
46:59
call the big pharma companies that manufacture injectable oil testoster in preparations put them in
47:06
GMO oils, which is horrible and highly inflammatory, cotton seed oil, rape
47:14
seed oil. I mean, all of this garbage. Some people, as
47:17
you know, who are highly highly allergic or sensitive to seed oils get literally
47:23
an ant a case of antiphylaxis, or beyond that, they can get what
47:29
is called you know what is it. I forget what the term is.
47:31
When you get that, you get you get that rash or that red bump
47:37
and wealthy area like I forget what it's called of the tissue from the injection.
47:40
But anyway, the bottom line is is that all of the seed oils
47:44
that go into stabilizing specific testoster in preparations are absolute garbage. Never inject cotton
47:51
seed oil, rape seed oil, or any of these things. So make
47:53
sure that you're getting your testocerine from a compounding pharmacy that's not using GMO particulates
47:59
or stabilizers. Everybody that's watching, please, please please, when you're getting
48:04
if you're getting injectable, be sure to ask that question, Jay, I
48:08
had never heard that before that. Oh, it's horrible. I mean almost
48:12
everything that comes out of Europe is cotton seed oil, all the old school
48:16
again, big form of manufacturers who don't care about us that we're putting it
48:21
in these cheap, you know, seed oil stabilizers. But nowadays the compounders
48:24
that you know, know what's going on. They use MCT oil, which
48:29
is you know, just palmitic cotton, I mean, not cotton the oil,
48:30
but it's obviously coconut oil. Yeah, they use that. They use
48:36
grape seed, which people say grape seed and are like, but Jay,
48:38
that's a that's another seed oil. It's really not. It's it's coming from
48:44
a substance. It's very organic. Uh. And then the other ones that
48:46
you'll see now are MCT grape seed and I'm forgetting one right now. Oh,
48:52
Ethel Elliott so another another one that's a non a non GMO source.
48:57
So the bottom line, Michelle, is that we want to get a carrier
49:00
oil that's very thin and it's very easily permeable to go through high small needles.
49:08
Right. So this is also important over time because we're going to be
49:13
using therapeutic to sascern most likely forever, especially in these contaminated environments. We
49:17
want to make sure that when we inject it we use a very small needle
49:21
barrel because these needles can cause you know, essentially issues. They cause fascial
49:29
adhesions where their injection, where you injected, and over time they can lead
49:31
to scard tissue build upright, So make sure they're small. Yeah, the
49:37
insulin needle is the right one to ask for and is in the abdomen.
49:42
The quote the best for an injective both so not really, I mean it
49:45
depends again, everything is depending most So it's another great question because you don't
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even realize how great of a question it is, because when I explain this,
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you're gonna be like, wow, I'm glad I asked that. If
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you have a belly, and this is mostly for men, because women don't
50:00
normally store belly fat, you know, they usually have fat in their hips
50:04
and the glutes, in the hamstring area or the low back. But for
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even some women that you know do have a little bit of a belly.
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If you inject testosterone into a belly that has too much visceral body fat,
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guess what happens? The body sees that injectable testosterone is another inflammatory substance,
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and it shoots out another cytokine storm or cytokine reaction. Remember, you already
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have cytokine storm because you have too much fat in the midsection, and so
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now you're getting all these quote unquote side effects from that injection that actually leads
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to what people manifest or create or what their doctors tell them are high estrogen
50:37
symptoms or side effects. There's no such thing estrogen and supportant that we communicate.
50:43
This estrogen is what confers the protection to our biological system functioning. It's
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not testosterone, it's not DHT either. It's estrogen. So all these people
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that think when you take testosterone you have to modulate or control or block estrogen
50:57
have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. They couldn't be more wrong.
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Whenever we take therapeutic testosterone, we must allow the estrogen to fall to our
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natural genetic level or raise to the natural genetic level. Every time somebody blocks
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estrogen, and this is even emails, even and when they block estrogen and
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women who have cancer, blast cancer and other forms of cancer, it only
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leads to harm because when you block estrogen. You block all the protective effects
51:24
of testosterone at the tissue level, brain, well, mineral density, skin.
51:31
I mean, it's insane how bad it is when you block est right.
51:36
Hey, before we have to go, I want to ask you about
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trokeys and about sublingual forster because that's how my doctor has me take two grams
51:45
of testosterone in a day. Is that is that a good? So?
51:51
Yeah, so my wife uses a trophy slash capsule now too. So getting
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back to your original question, because it's important women, can you use oral
52:00
formulations of testaceerone? And the reason that is is because the dosage is so
52:06
low it doesn't cause any downstream negative side effects at the liver, uh you
52:12
know, which would which would consider be considered hepatoxic. Whereas with men,
52:17
men can't use oral formulations, even though there are some out there that are
52:22
of course FDA approved. They don't optimize men though, because the level that
52:28
men get from an oral formulation is so low it's it might as well be.
52:31
You know, it's almost negligible and not noticeable. It will measure out
52:36
in a test to be optimized, but it will give them as the you
52:39
know, the doctors that prescribe. These will say it will argue. They'll
52:42
be like, well it, We'll give them something, and something is better
52:45
than nothing. But again I will argue that if you don't feel optimized from
52:47
using therapeutic testaserone, then you need to increase your dose or fire doctor.
52:52
Well, Jay, I can't even believe this, but our time is up
52:58
and I am so h in awe of everything we've talked about today. I
53:02
just want our viewers to realize that they have been exposed today to some of
53:07
the most valuable and important information on just on one subject. We have so
53:14
many other subjects to talk about. Bring me back for Part two and part
53:16
three. We got to good news is I'm on your podcast coming. So
53:24
I think what we should do is make this our exchange a series like you
53:30
do with your doctor group, because there's so many things that we can share
53:35
and help other people. And that's really the purpose of my podcast is is
53:38
you know, I learned so much from you, and it's personal, but
53:43
my whole purpose in starting this years ago was to help others. And of
53:47
course it's always gifts, uh, And when you reach out to help others,
53:52
the gift comes back to you. That's so anyway, Yeah, so
53:55
the next when I'm on your podcast, I'd love to shop on any subject
54:01
that you think is appropriate. But of course, in today's world, everybody's
54:07
talking about peptides, yes, bio regulators. And just to give you a
54:12
little bit of a note, I don't know if I mentioned to you,
54:14
but I am in the clinical trials, Yeah, with doctor Cabinson, and
54:20
that's awesome and Bill Bill Lawrence, Yeah, that's amazing. No, for
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sure, Michelle, that's what we'll do. I mean, it'll be simple,
54:24
it'll be very conversational. We'll go ninety minutes if we have to,
54:28
and we'll just blow up peptides and go deep down the rabbit hole and talk
54:31
about peptides and bioregulators. And then the next one will come after later whenever
54:35
we set it up, we'll be on fat loss. Actually, we'll take
54:38
what we've spent in the first two shows and say, okay, now we
54:42
have the ammunition. How do we cut? How do we design the perfect
54:45
fat loss program to maintain our health and vitality as we age? And then
54:49
we have hair loss? So I think I thought we could come for all
54:52
of that today, And here we did such a deep dive into TRG that
54:58
I know that we've we've paid some people an amazing gift of information that if
55:06
they didn't know before, they should be rushing to make that appointment with the
55:10
right doctor right exactly getting their testosterone levels. But that's just one of many
55:16
hormones to balance, but it is one of the most well you know that.
55:21
It's it's it's the king of the mountain for a man's right, for
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sure. I'm gonna say goodbye to you, and I wish you's a beautiful
55:29
day, and thank you again for being so so helpful to everyone and sharing
55:34
your knowledge today. And I will see you on October five. You will.
55:38
And let me just say for everybody, I know you're gonna put this
55:40
in the show notes, but for everybody who's watching this today, if you
55:44
want access to any of my books, I do give them away for free,
55:46
except for the last two which had just come out this year, which
55:49
we're gonna be talking about in the next two versions, which is the Peptides
55:52
Book, and of course the newest one, which is thirty Days to Shreds.
55:54
But it's Jacampbell dot com forward Slash free Books, and you can go
56:00
there and download any of those PDFs or all my books now which are seven.
56:02
So thank you so much for being on the show or letting me be
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on your show today, Michelle, it's been amazing.