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Psychic Spy Gate · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: What if the government used psychics to spy on secret
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Speaker 1: bases and then actually found them? What if remote viewing,
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Speaker 1: MK ultra and UFOs weren't just fringe conspiracy theories, but
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Speaker 1: part of an ongoing intelligence operation cloaked in disinformation and
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Speaker 1: occult rituals. I sat down with the man Rider Lee
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Speaker 1: to expose the real history of Project Stargate, the psychic spies,
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Speaker 1: and how alien disclosure might just be government word magic.
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Speaker 1: This one's wild.
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Speaker 2: Don't listen.
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Speaker 1: So, as you know, I got a special guest today,
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Speaker 1: so I don't want to keep you too long, but
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Speaker 1: we're going to get into Ryder Lee's experience and research
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Speaker 1: of the Stargate project. We're going to talk about the
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Speaker 1: secrets of this US military program that was about gathering
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Speaker 1: intelligence through remote viewing and psychic abilities, possibly affiliated with
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Speaker 1: MK ultra type experiments. You know, I went through Stanford
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Speaker 1: Research Institute, So we talked about some of the documents
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Speaker 1: that this is based upon, his evidence, the subjects and
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Speaker 1: he interviewed that we're actually doing the remote viewing and
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Speaker 1: various names. You're gonna recognize how put off with his
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Speaker 1: Big Joe Rogan appearance recently, Pat Price Ingo Swan Russell
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Speaker 1: targ and we're gonna discuss how we're what we're doing
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Speaker 1: actually works and if alien disclosure is part of this movement.
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Speaker 1: My man's got a wealth of knowledge. He is the
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Speaker 1: host of Raised by Giants podcast and I'm gonna put
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Speaker 1: his link tree in linked in the show notes right
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Speaker 1: so you can check out his podcast. I just made
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Speaker 1: an appearance on there recently, so you can check that
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Speaker 1: out for more. And then also he's a film producer.
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Speaker 1: I interviewed him and Jay Widner because they did this
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Speaker 1: awesome Cooper's Odyssey three Clockwork Shining.
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Speaker 2: I interviewed them. Was it a couple of months ago now?
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Speaker 1: And that's also a fascinating listen, So scroll back on
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Speaker 1: this interview, we are discussing some stuff that you can
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Speaker 1: the video version and kind of follow along with what
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Speaker 1: we're talking about. So, without further ado, here's the great
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Speaker 1: Rider Lee. The biggest question in all of our human
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Speaker 1: existence is whether or not we're alon. So today I
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Speaker 1: brought on a returning champ to this podcast. He's the
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Speaker 1: director of a Clockwork Shine in Kuber's Odyssey three and
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Speaker 1: JFKX Solving the Crime of the Century, collaborating with the
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Speaker 1: Great Jay Widner, and he's the host and producer of
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Speaker 1: Raised by Giants podcast. Today, he's our local expert on
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Speaker 1: unpacking this strange realm of intelligence agencies using occult methods
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Speaker 1: to make contact with alien entities. His name is Ryder
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Speaker 1: Lee needs Back to Drip Knowledge. Welcome back to a cult,
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Speaker 1: symbolism and pop culture writer.
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Speaker 3: What's going on? As I thanks so much for having
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Speaker 3: me back on, really appreciate it, and I'm looking forward
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Speaker 3: to diving into this topic, my friend, because there's a
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Speaker 3: lot to unpack with this thing and how put off
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Speaker 3: was just on Joe Rogan. So this is freaking perfect timing.
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Speaker 3: And I gotta say that everything that Hell'll put off
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Speaker 3: sudden the Joe Rogan Show is one hundred percent true
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Speaker 3: about remote viewing because he was the one that kind
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Speaker 3: of started that at s all right, Uh, but everything
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Speaker 3: that he said about UFOs I disagree with.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we'll back that a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't listened to it yet, so I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm it's on my list of things to do here
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Speaker 1: this weekend.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll.
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Speaker 1: To unpack that with you because I because I did
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Speaker 1: want to bring you on because I, like most of
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Speaker 1: the audience, I would assume know what Project Stargate is,
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Speaker 1: but perhaps don't know all the details. There's you know,
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Speaker 1: in the world of ufology, there's a lot of disinformation
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Speaker 1: and misleading is and people claiming these connections to secret
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Speaker 1: space programs that maybe aren't and uh, it's I know
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Speaker 1: you've spent a ton of time digging into this, so
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Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of pick your brain for a
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Speaker 1: little bit. And you know, our last show, I had
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Speaker 1: you and Jay Widner on to talk about Kubrick's Odyssey
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Speaker 1: three and it sent me down this I want you
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Speaker 1: to know it sent me down a spiral of research
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Speaker 1: into Catcher and the Rye. For the first time, I
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Speaker 1: actually read the book and I did this two part
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Speaker 1: analysis because it it was fascinating because it did sort
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Speaker 1: of read like an mk ultra mind control killer book.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, that it was a fascinating talk.
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Speaker 1: But I wanted to get you back on talk Stargate
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Speaker 1: because I know you're the man. So where where do
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Speaker 1: you want to Where do you propose we start with
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Speaker 1: the whole thing? Do you want to give a little
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Speaker 1: brief overview of what stargate is, what's your background with
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Speaker 1: interest in it?
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Speaker 2: How do you want to go with this?
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Speaker 3: Well, that's that's It's also a connection between clarkwork shining
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Speaker 3: at Kubrick's Odyssey three with us as well, because Daney
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Speaker 3: is basically through the trauma that Danny suffered is what
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Speaker 3: unlocked these psychic abilities within him. And that's essentially what
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Speaker 3: Danny is kind of doing is remote viewing the future
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Speaker 3: because he has these psychic abilities, and that's what Army
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Speaker 3: and DA and seeing the future, seeing what things are
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Speaker 3: going to be happening, collecting intelligence data for foreign assets
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Speaker 3: mainly during the Cold War, and it ran up until
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Speaker 3: ninety nine until it was to be transferred to the CIA,
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Speaker 3: and then the CIA got it and then you know,
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Speaker 3: shut it down. Said that no intellig by valuable intelligence
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Speaker 3: data had ever been collected from the program, and that
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Speaker 3: was their justification for shutting the entire program down. And
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Speaker 3: what got me interested in it was researching mk ultra
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Speaker 3: and reading all of the hundred mk ultra subprojects. And
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Speaker 3: when you're reading through all of those, you'll see that
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Speaker 3: there are five mk ultra subprojects that were dedicated to
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Speaker 3: the research of psychic abilities. And then while I was
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Speaker 3: reading that, I was like, Okay, well, I know that
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Speaker 3: the government we're using psychics at a period of time,
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Speaker 3: So is mk ULTRA and the stargate psychic stuff connected?
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Speaker 3: And then I started reaching out to the people that
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Speaker 3: I could verify that we're in the stargate mk ultra
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Speaker 3: I mean stargate remote viewing unit. That's how confusing the
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Speaker 3: stuff gets is there's so much stuff going on. It's
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Speaker 3: a very convoluted, and they make it very difficult for
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Speaker 3: people to find factual information about it online, and especially
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Speaker 3: with Trump's AI stargate stuff like now, when you type
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Speaker 3: in the Google like stargate, dude. It's just like you
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Speaker 3: just get all kinds of stuff and then plus you
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Speaker 3: have like stargate, stargate SG one. You have all these
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Speaker 3: people using the stargate term. But that term actually was
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Speaker 3: developed by dell Graph in nineteen ninety two. I had
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Speaker 3: dell Graph on my show. He's been on my show
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Speaker 3: like three times. He was the operations manager for the
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Speaker 3: psychic spies that DIA and Army Intelligence were doing, and
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Speaker 3: he created the term stargate. It ran by many different names.
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Speaker 3: It has switched titles, it has switched names, has gone
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Speaker 3: back and forth between DA Army Intelligence several times. The
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Speaker 3: Air Force was involved. But one of the first things
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Speaker 3: that we need to kind of dispel, like out the gate,
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Speaker 3: is that this isn't a CIA program. It was never
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Speaker 3: a CIA program. The CIA literally had nothing to do
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Speaker 3: with this other than funding SRI in seventy two, which
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Speaker 3: was the research side of this. And we're going to
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Speaker 3: get into all this because it's I have my notes
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Speaker 3: here because it's too much to freaking remember all this stuff.
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Speaker 3: But the only involvement that the CIA had was funding
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Speaker 3: SRI in the very beginning to research remote viewing, and
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Speaker 3: they had people like Pat Price, They had like Ingo
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Speaker 3: Swan and like a few others that they were doing
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Speaker 3: psychic research on. And that's what how put Off was
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Speaker 3: talking about on Joe Rogan, like the very beginnings of
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Speaker 3: him getting into being a you know, getting into remote
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Speaker 3: viewing and working at SRI. And I had mentioned in
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Speaker 3: my show that I did with Donut that how put
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Speaker 3: Off is a scigenceologist, which he is a scientologist, and
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Speaker 3: some people called me out on that, like online it
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Speaker 3: was like, well, you mean how put Off as a scientologist.
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Speaker 3: You're lying about how put Off being a scientologist, and uh,
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Speaker 3: you can go right to his Wikipedia page.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was at depression he was in fact a scientologist,
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Speaker 1: And what do you think do you think that connects
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Speaker 1: us into Because when I interviewed doctor Jacques Vallet a
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Speaker 1: few weeks ago, he mentioned some when we were talking,
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Speaker 1: he basically was lying out of this idea that if
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Speaker 1: we want to understand the phenomenon, we have.
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Speaker 2: To sort of explore the realm of the occult.
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Speaker 1: And he mentioned something about scientology, like the early scientology days,
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Speaker 1: being some kind of I don't know, some kind of
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Speaker 1: connection into this whole thing. Do you think that that's
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Speaker 1: and then of course you know that with the foundations
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Speaker 1: of l Ron Hubbard's Scientology connected to Jack Parson, Like,
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Speaker 1: to me, it seems like these things are all kind
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Speaker 1: of connected, and maybe maybe it's we're going through a
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Speaker 1: weird kind of disclosure on that right now, because I
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Speaker 1: don't think sixty years ago this would have been a
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Speaker 1: popular or acceptable topic to claim that Jack Parsons, Antichrist
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Speaker 1: and l Ron Hubbard were on in the desert jacking
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Speaker 1: off and opening up portals. And I think I think
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Speaker 1: the masses would be like, what are you guys smoking?
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Speaker 2: What are you talking about? You know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: So, yeah, this Wikipedia article right here. So has put
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Speaker 3: Off took an interest in the Church of Scientology in
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Speaker 3: the late nineteen sixties and reached what was known as
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Speaker 3: op level seven by nineteen seventy one. Put Off wrote
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Speaker 3: up his Wins for Scientology publication, claiming to achieve remote
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Speaker 3: viewing abilities. In nineteen seventy four, put Off also wrote
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Speaker 3: a piece for Scientology celebrity magazine, standing of Scientology, giving
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Speaker 3: them a feeling of apps fearlessness. Put Off served all
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Speaker 3: connection was severed. All connection with Scientology in the late
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Speaker 3: seventies and like that's that's what people were saying. They
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Speaker 3: were coming at me on on x and on Facebook
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Speaker 3: for seeing that put Off was a scientologist you had
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Speaker 3: left the church.
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Speaker 1: Okay, do you think that's relevant to do you think
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Speaker 1: that's relevant to the the the arguments of whether or
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Speaker 1: not you know, like, like does does does Scientology teach
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Speaker 1: these people something about how to make contact? How to
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Speaker 1: remote you? I mean there must be something there. Have
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Speaker 1: you dug into that at all? I mean I know
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Speaker 1: that they keep kind of guarded secrets in the Church
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Speaker 1: of Scientology, so maybe that's not public knowledge.
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Speaker 3: I really haven't because scientology is a whole other rabbit
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Speaker 3: hole that I would just rather completely avoid. Yeah, and
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Speaker 3: it's dangerous, right, the dangerous though literally come after you
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Speaker 3: and stalk you and ging stalk you and post about
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Speaker 3: side of your house and shit, and like I just don't,
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Speaker 3: I just don't even.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got you. So.
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Speaker 1: So with the foundations of stargate, the I think the
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Speaker 1: sort of normy version would be the CIA was funding
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Speaker 1: projects to do some remote viewing. Russell targ was working
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Speaker 1: at SRI or it was connected with SRI at Stanford Research,
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Speaker 1: and they did a bunch of experimentations of remote viewing,
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Speaker 1: and I guess officially over the years they said it
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Speaker 1: didn't really work or it wasn't conclusive that it works,
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Speaker 1: so then they shut it down. But when you look
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Speaker 1: at the modern day upology movement and folks like Chris
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Speaker 1: Bledsoe or doctor Stephen Greer who claimed that with the
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Speaker 1: right sort of focus or energy or whatever, or or
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Speaker 1: or inherent psychic abilities right like you were saying with
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Speaker 1: Danny Torrence from the Shining that there is this this
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Speaker 1: ability to make contact. So that's where it gets kind
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Speaker 1: of confusing to me, is like, so were they successful
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Speaker 1: in this and they're just kind of lying to the public,
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Speaker 1: and maybe they change the name of Stargate. I'm not
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Speaker 1: really sure what to make of all of that.
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Speaker 3: Okay, well, let's get into it right here, because this
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Speaker 3: is this is the one hundred percent real information. All
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Speaker 3: this information that I'm about to speak about now comes
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Speaker 3: from official documents, official declassified Sunstreet Briefing document, and it
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Speaker 3: also comes from the Sri Syndicate document, which was from
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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three. Okay, so where all this starts is
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Speaker 3: with SRI Stanford Research Institute, but the government was also
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Speaker 3: doing studies on what they refer to in the documents
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Speaker 3: as parapsychology with Duke University in the thirties, Parapsychology Foundation
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Speaker 3: in New York in the fifties, Mind Science Foundation in
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Speaker 3: the sixties. So they had an interest in this for
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Speaker 3: really long time, and they did other research foundations and
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Speaker 3: centers even earlier than SRI. But the thing that kicked
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Speaker 3: off this whole remote viewing stuff was SRI and this
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Speaker 3: was in the seventies, in the early seventies. So to
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Speaker 3: establish a little background on SRI is SRI is essentially
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Speaker 3: a government contractor and their very first research project investigated
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Speaker 3: whether a plant can be used as a source of
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Speaker 3: natural rubber, so from nineteen forty two to nineteen forty six,
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Speaker 3: and then the funding was cut by Congress after World
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Speaker 3: War Two ended. Then SRI's first economic study was for
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Speaker 3: the United States Air Force, which is very important to
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Speaker 3: remember now because later on we get into more Air
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Speaker 3: Force stuff. That's where dell graph comes in that I
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Speaker 3: just mentioned that created the term starget. He had a
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Speaker 3: small remote viewing unit at right Patterson Air Force Base
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Speaker 3: which was involved with locating a missing airplane, which we're
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Speaker 3: going to get into here in just a few minutes.
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Speaker 3: So in nineteen forty seven, the Air Force wanted to
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Speaker 3: determine expansion potential for the US aircraft industry. SRI found
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Speaker 3: that it would take a really long time to escalate
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Speaker 3: the production and an emergency, So in nineteen forty eight,
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Speaker 3: SRI began research and consultation with Chevron Corporation to develop
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Speaker 3: an artificial substitute for coconut oil and soap production. So
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Speaker 3: the reason for mentioning all of that is to establish
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Speaker 3: that SRI is working for the government. The SRI is
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Speaker 3: a government contractor, and we know what government contractors are,
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Speaker 3: like Raytheon and all these Lockeed Martin and all these
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Speaker 3: big aerospace types of companies. They're essentially a front for
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Speaker 3: the intelligence community. And it's also establishing that SRI worked
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Speaker 3: for the Air Force and was getting funding from the
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Speaker 3: Air Force prior, which is very important. But in nineteen
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Speaker 3: seventy two, the United States rb Surgeon General, through the
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Speaker 3: Intelligence Information Agency, together with THEDIA, then published studies of
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Speaker 3: Soviet Bloc work in psycho energetics. So they got information
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Speaker 3: that the Russians were using psychics to collect intelligence data
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Speaker 3: on the United States. Also in that same year, SRI
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Speaker 3: Stanford Research instit stated that they started their research in
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Speaker 3: psycho energetics in nineteen seventy two with how put Off
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Speaker 3: and Russell targ They did a series of investigations into
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Speaker 3: the psychic phenomenon which was sponsored and funded by the CIA,
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Speaker 3: and had consciousness researchers in Go Swan hat Price, and
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Speaker 3: this is all documented in the Syndicate documented from nineteen
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Speaker 3: seventy three. Syndicate was an SRI program to determine if
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Speaker 3: remote viewing or psycho energetic phenomenon was real. Because if
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Speaker 3: it was possible that the subjects in the beginning at
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Speaker 3: SRI could be using their minds to collect information, how
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Speaker 3: are they getting that information right? Are they getting that
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Speaker 3: information subliminately? Are they getting that information somehow through memory?
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Speaker 3: So they started running a bunch of tests and during
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Speaker 3: the testing, Ego Swan was given a coordinate and he
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Speaker 3: described some kind of military base. Now this is known
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Speaker 3: as coordinate remote viewing. There are several different versions and
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Speaker 3: different names of different types of remote viewing, but this
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Speaker 3: is known as coordinate remote viewing. Where a coordinate is
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Speaker 3: given to a remote viewer, they then are able to
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Speaker 3: view whatever has been imbued upon that coordinate. The coordinate. Now,
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Speaker 3: it's it gets really confusing because the coordinate really doesn't
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Speaker 3: have to be what the location of what the person
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Speaker 3: is viewing. So the coordinate is actually just like it
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Speaker 3: can be any series of numbers. Okay, So the person
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Speaker 3: that's giving the coordinate to the person essentially has to
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Speaker 3: imbue and imprint what they want the remote viewer to
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Speaker 3: see onto the numbers. It's a very complicated problem. You
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Speaker 3: can't just sit down and remote view something. That's not
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Speaker 3: how remote viewing works. Okay, So all these remote viewers
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Speaker 3: online that are saying that they can that they remove
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Speaker 3: viewed Antarctica, that they remote viewed this alien base, that
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Speaker 3: they remove you the underground bases in the United States,
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Speaker 3: it's all nonsense, garbage, bullshit. You can't one. You can't
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Speaker 3: know what you're remote viewing because whenever you know exactly
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Speaker 3: what it is that you're remote viewing, your mind then
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Speaker 3: creates things that you're supposed to see.
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Speaker 1: Oh I see, yeah, I read a I read an
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Speaker 1: experiment that was done to remote view Mars. I believe,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever heard of that one.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of a famous one, and I believe it
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Speaker 1: was the restr and Stargate. And I want to say,
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Speaker 1: I want to say, my from my memory serves that
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Speaker 1: that was the deal, was that they didn't tell the
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Speaker 1: the person who was doing the viewing, like hey, you're
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Speaker 1: going to Mars. It just gave them some location. And
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Speaker 1: it also was I don't know, a million years ago
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Speaker 1: or something crazy like that. So you're saying that, So
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Speaker 1: you're saying that if if you see someone online who's
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Speaker 1: like our remote view the moon the dark side of
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Speaker 1: the moon right now, like that intention that is baked
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Speaker 1: into it already sort of like makes it misleading.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, can't do it. It's impossible to do, Okay, I
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Speaker 3: didn't know that, you know, the target Like if I
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Speaker 3: brought up this uh this reader's dies of in Antarctica
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Speaker 3: and started sc only through it and seeing a picture
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Speaker 3: of Antarctica, and then I was like, oh well, let
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Speaker 3: me remote view that scenario of that photo that was
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Speaker 3: taken in time. It's you're not remote viewing anything. You're
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Speaker 3: just using your imagination, using any kind of psychic ability.
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Speaker 3: So whenever this coordinate was given to Ingo Swan, he
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Speaker 3: described some kind of military base in the woods, okay,
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Speaker 3: and this was supposedly in West Virginia. The coordinates was
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Speaker 3: then given to a gentleman, a businessman that was referred
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Speaker 3: to in the documents just as Pat. They refer to
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Speaker 3: him as Pat in the official documents, but we now
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Speaker 3: know his name was Pat Price. So when Pat Price
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Speaker 3: got the coordinates to verify EGO Swan's remote viewing of
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Speaker 3: this suspected military base in West Virginia, he described the
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Speaker 3: exact same thing in large detail. And this document is
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Speaker 3: really incredible. How put Off was talking about it on
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Speaker 3: Joe Rogan is Okay, it's insane. It like I have
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Speaker 3: the document, the Simsica document, and he's talking about wind speed,
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Speaker 3: he's talking about altitude, the surrounding area. He draws like
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Speaker 3: a diagram of what it was that he was seeing.
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Speaker 3: So how put Off in Russell Target asking to view
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Speaker 3: this location again and see if he could actually get
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Speaker 3: inside of the facility with his mind. So he does it.
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Speaker 3: He gets inside of the facility. So he's looking around
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Speaker 3: the facility and he sees documents on the table. He
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Speaker 3: was trying to obtain code word information with his psychic abilities,
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Speaker 3: and he did. He saw on the top of the
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Speaker 3: desk papers that were labeled they were like fly trap,
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Speaker 3: mine run. And there was like a file cabinet on
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Speaker 3: one of the walls. It was labeled Operation Pool folders
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Speaker 3: on the inside of the cabinet that had all kinds
22:00
Speaker 3: of code words on it that revolved around the game
22:04
Speaker 3: of pool, like qball, fourteen ball, four ball, A ball,
22:08
Speaker 3: rock up whatever. Right, And he said that the site
22:11
Speaker 3: vaguely seemed like hey fork or hay stack. And he
22:15
Speaker 3: even got the names of the generals at the facility. Now,
22:21
Speaker 3: mind you, this is a top secret military installation in
22:26
Speaker 3: West Virginia that is to monitor like Soviet satellites. Okay,
22:34
Speaker 3: very top secret. No one really knew about this information.
22:38
Speaker 3: And how they got the coordinate was they were doing
22:42
Speaker 3: this test and one of the people that gave the
22:45
Speaker 3: coordinate had a cabin out in West Virginia and he
22:52
Speaker 3: thought that they were giving them the location the coordinate
22:56
Speaker 3: of the cabin but right on the other side of
23:01
Speaker 3: the hill of the cabin was this top secret military base.
23:06
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay, so he got the names of the facility.
23:10
Speaker 3: It was like Colonel Hamlin, Major General George Nash Calhoun.
23:19
Speaker 3: And this got the attention of all of the intelligence organizations.
23:25
Speaker 3: If people can get into our facilities right figure out
23:31
Speaker 3: information about what we're doing, what can other countries do
23:36
Speaker 3: in our other countries doing this? And I just mentioned
23:38
Speaker 3: the Russia. They found out that Russia was trying to
23:40
Speaker 3: use psychic spise the collect intelligence data on the on
23:45
Speaker 3: the United States, which is another really interesting aspect of this,
23:48
Speaker 3: because Russia got more Nazi scientists out of World War Two,
23:54
Speaker 3: then the United States got on paper. Now it's reported
23:57
Speaker 3: that the United States got I think there's fifteen hundred
24:03
Speaker 3: verified na to scientists and aerospace engineers, right, but people
24:08
Speaker 3: claim that it was upwards of You know, you're.
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Speaker 3: Twenty thousand, who really knows officially Russia, Russia got a
26:36
Speaker 3: brown six thousand.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, that's a lot of ninety scientists. I didn't
26:42
Speaker 1: know there was that many.
26:45
Speaker 3: Well, half of them were scientists and space engineers, and
26:48
Speaker 3: then the other half of them were their families.
26:51
Speaker 1: Oh okay, got it, Okay, okay, So they were just
26:56
Speaker 1: to clarify this is this, This is a I haven't
26:58
Speaker 1: listened to the Joe Rogan yet. This is the story
27:00
Speaker 1: to help put off apparently tells on Joe Rogan recently.
27:04
Speaker 3: Not all of it, some of it. He kind of
27:06
Speaker 3: does an abbreviation. He doesn't go into the history of
27:10
Speaker 3: how like what I'm getting into, and briefly runs into,
27:15
Speaker 3: you know, talks about some of this stuff, but he
27:18
Speaker 3: doesn't actually give you a detailed outline of how everything went,
27:23
Speaker 3: like essentially in order, right, Okay. So I'm sure that
27:28
Speaker 3: they were really freaked out by the fact that Pat
27:31
Speaker 3: Price in Ingo Swan could remove you this top secret
27:34
Speaker 3: base that literally no civilian should ever know even existed.
27:38
Speaker 3: So in nineteen seventy six, the Missile Intelligence Agency expressed
27:44
Speaker 3: interest in the United States replication of claimed Soviet experiments
27:51
Speaker 3: into psycho energetics, right, because that's the way that supposedly,
27:59
Speaker 3: that's the excuse the intelligence community used to start up
28:03
Speaker 3: these programs, even though that they were funding SRI and
28:06
Speaker 3: they were like kind of shocked and like that this
28:11
Speaker 3: whole thing was real. They kind of used the excuse
28:16
Speaker 3: to open up an official program that another country could
28:21
Speaker 3: be using this, and it's probably using this, so we
28:23
Speaker 3: need to start up our own program. And during that
28:26
Speaker 3: same time, the Army, the Army Analysis Agency, was also
28:35
Speaker 3: involved in the investigation of remote viewing concepts with SRI.
28:40
Speaker 3: SO in nineteen seventy seven, US Army Intelligence and Security
28:46
Speaker 3: Command developed a project under the Assistant Deputy Chief of
28:53
Speaker 3: Staff for Human Intelligence, and they called this program Gone
28:57
Speaker 3: to the Wish. This program was in Fort Meade, So
29:03
Speaker 3: by nineteen seventy eight, the Army Intelligence conducted that well
29:10
Speaker 3: they essentially concluded that there was sufficient evidence to warrant
29:15
Speaker 3: this psychic spy psycho energetics program to explore intelligence collections
29:24
Speaker 3: of psycho energetics. The Army then canceled the Gondola Wish
29:28
Speaker 3: program and they put like a security blanket over the
29:32
Speaker 3: Army's interest in psycho energetics. And then they implemented a
29:36
Speaker 3: new program which was directed toward intelligence collection using remote
29:42
Speaker 3: viewing psychics, and that project was called Grill Flame. To
29:47
Speaker 3: use remote viewing as a data collection or intelligence collection
29:53
Speaker 3: method on foreign targets. That's what they say, foreign targets, right, Okay.
30:01
Speaker 3: By nineteen eighty nineteen eighty seven, INSCOM, the United States
30:07
Speaker 3: Army Intelligence and Security Command, they had all the personnel
30:11
Speaker 3: that they wanted in the program. The training was initiated
30:15
Speaker 3: and the person that trained their army personnel was Ingo
30:19
Speaker 3: Swan at SRI. So they took all of their army people,
30:25
Speaker 3: all the Army personnel to SRI in California. Ingo Swan
30:29
Speaker 3: would then train them and then they would go back
30:32
Speaker 3: to Fort Meade and then they would be able to
30:35
Speaker 3: remote you. So, now the kind of the issue that
30:40
Speaker 3: they ran into was would the information obtained from remote
30:45
Speaker 3: viewing psychics be accurate, would be reasonable? And would the
30:50
Speaker 3: intelligence community accept it? Okay? Because it's one thing to
30:54
Speaker 3: say that this stuff works. Are people going to listen
30:58
Speaker 3: to thesekes whenever they view something? In number fourth, nineteen
31:07
Speaker 3: seventy nine Army INSCOM task to locate a missing naval aircraft.
31:17
Speaker 3: This was the first grill flame operational remote viewing session
31:21
Speaker 3: and the remote viewer located the missing aircraft within fifteen
31:26
Speaker 3: miles of where it was down, and based on those results,
31:30
Speaker 3: INSCOM was then tasked to work on additional targets, and
31:34
Speaker 3: this forced the hand of ACSI to go into full
31:38
Speaker 3: swing operations, and so they skipped over a lot of
31:41
Speaker 3: the training processes of the unit because they figured out, oh,
31:44
Speaker 3: well this works, that we located this airplane, then let's
31:47
Speaker 3: just go into full fledge. Let's just you know, skip
31:49
Speaker 3: over any of the other training that ingoes doing at
31:52
Speaker 3: sright now. I actually have a video here of Jimmy
31:56
Speaker 3: Carter talking about it. It's actually a very difficult video
32:02
Speaker 3: to find. I recently talk about it with Dell Graph
32:07
Speaker 3: when I brought him on before, and I couldn't find
32:12
Speaker 3: the original video of it. You type in, Jimmy Carter,
32:29
Speaker 3: this is the one with Dell Graph and you the
32:31
Speaker 3: actual Okay, here it is. Okay, stop sharing bringing up
32:39
Speaker 3: on the here it is. Here's President Jimmy Carter. This
32:45
Speaker 3: is safety. Use this this is on my journal.
32:49
Speaker 4: They're only strange and inexplicable event that has been discussed publicly?
32:56
Speaker 4: Is it one time we had a small plane go
32:59
Speaker 4: down somewhere I can in Africa. We needed very much
33:02
Speaker 4: to find out where that plane had crashed, and we
33:06
Speaker 4: were not able to find it by surveillance from our satellites.
33:11
Speaker 4: So the director of the CIA, he was also director
33:14
Speaker 4: of all the intelligence agencies, heard about a woman in
33:19
Speaker 4: California that was a medium, and he contacted her and
33:24
Speaker 4: she gave him the latitude and longitude of the plane's whereabouts,
33:32
Speaker 4: and the next time one of our space satellites went
33:35
Speaker 4: over that area relocated the plane where she said it was.
33:41
Speaker 3: So that was Jimmy Carter talking about the weird and
33:44
Speaker 3: strange turnament to the psychic was used to find a
33:47
Speaker 3: missing missing airplane. But what President Jimmy Carter said is
33:52
Speaker 3: half true. It wasn't a lady in California that was
33:56
Speaker 3: a misdirection. It was Dell Graf's small remote view in
34:00
Speaker 3: activity at right Patterson Air Force Base, specifically an Air
34:03
Speaker 3: Force enlisted woman named Rosemary Smith. And also from what
34:09
Speaker 3: I've gathered in talking with the people that are part
34:11
Speaker 3: of the remote viewing unit, she was also assisted by
34:14
Speaker 3: Gary Langford of SRI, which also helped. But the story
34:20
Speaker 3: is true, but not exactly the way that Jimmy Carter
34:23
Speaker 3: tells it because this was before the stargate information was declassified,
34:30
Speaker 3: so whenever he was talking about this, it was still
34:33
Speaker 3: a classified program.
34:36
Speaker 2: Do you think that, Not to cut you off, but
34:39
Speaker 2: do you think so?
34:41
Speaker 1: When I'm hearing the foundations of Stargate, it sounds a
34:44
Speaker 1: lot like the foundations of MK Ultra, where we just.
34:48
Speaker 2: So happened to have all these Nazi scientists and.
34:51
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, we're worried that Cold War fears
34:55
Speaker 1: of Russia doing mind control experiments and brainwashing people that
34:59
Speaker 1: we need to do MK Ultra stuff. And now it's like, oh, okay,
35:02
Speaker 1: and then maybe Russia is also remote viewing our documents,
35:06
Speaker 1: so we need to study this. And I'm always intrigued by,
35:11
Speaker 1: you know, because there's all this paranormal stuff involved with
35:13
Speaker 1: Project Stargate, But then there's all these sort of conspiracies
35:17
Speaker 1: about it being linked into Majestic twelve and we were
35:22
Speaker 1: remote viewing other countries' UFOs and their hangars and talking
35:28
Speaker 1: to aliens. Does any of that hold any weight or
35:31
Speaker 1: is that just speculative conspiracy theory talk. When it comes
35:35
Speaker 1: to Stargate, sounds like it's more focused on remote viewing
35:39
Speaker 1: than anything.
35:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is focused on an intelligence data collection. Now,
35:50
Speaker 3: some people that were in the program have stated that
35:53
Speaker 3: they were somebody was in their skip out water was
35:59
Speaker 3: in there, and he had coordinates of bases, that extraterrestrial
36:06
Speaker 3: bases that pot Price had remote viewed, and he had
36:09
Speaker 3: those exact same notes in those coordinates. And supposedly, now
36:14
Speaker 3: they weren't allowed to do this, so this was kind
36:17
Speaker 3: of like a he would use it as like a
36:20
Speaker 3: practice thing, right, he would, you know, give them these
36:24
Speaker 3: strange and like weird coordinates and you would call them
36:28
Speaker 3: like I'm guessing is what was happening was like practice targets. Okay,
36:35
Speaker 3: but supposedly pot Price remote viewed for alien bases on Earth. Wow,
36:45
Speaker 3: you can take that for whatever it is. I mean
36:49
Speaker 3: I tend to believe. I mean pot Price died, and
36:58
Speaker 3: when do you die? It's either seven eighty five, I
37:01
Speaker 3: think it was seventy five.
37:02
Speaker 2: Have you talked to you said?
37:04
Speaker 1: You said you did some shows interviewing Dell Graf, Is
37:06
Speaker 1: that right?
37:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the operations manager.
37:10
Speaker 1: Oh okay, did he ever mention anything about remote viewing
37:14
Speaker 1: UFOs or alien stuff?
37:16
Speaker 3: Yeah? And so yeah, several of them, you know, talk
37:20
Speaker 3: about how they would be not asked, but they would
37:24
Speaker 3: be remote viewing some really weird and strange things, specifically
37:27
Speaker 3: Limb Buchanan Limbu Cannon. The movie The Men Who Sterict
37:31
Speaker 3: Goats is based off of Lim Buchanan. Okay, okay, and
37:36
Speaker 3: it's like a pseudo like comedy of what the IA
37:41
Speaker 3: and Army Intelligence was actually doing.
37:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember watching it and thinking it was just silly.
37:47
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's kind of like what you
37:49
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, where if you search for terms
37:52
Speaker 1: like stargate, now you get this AI Stargate project, which
37:56
Speaker 1: could be related in a way if you if you
37:58
Speaker 1: believe in the AI as alien stuff. And I had
38:01
Speaker 1: a similar experience when when Edward Snowden Whistle was the
38:06
Speaker 1: whistleblower for the NSA Prism program, and within I think
38:11
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, Katie Perry releases an album called Prism,
38:14
Speaker 1: the same exact spelling and everything, and they muddy it
38:18
Speaker 1: muddies the waters, and it just seems like there is
38:21
Speaker 1: a little bit of a coordination that happens there.
38:23
Speaker 2: Sometimes.
38:24
Speaker 3: Same with like Operation looking Glass as well. As soon
38:28
Speaker 3: as everyone started touching on to what Operation looking Glass
38:31
Speaker 3: it was, they allis in Wonderland through the looking Glass
38:35
Speaker 3: came out, oh interesting. So then whenever you typed in
38:39
Speaker 3: like looking Glass, like that's all they would pop up
38:42
Speaker 3: was the Allison Wonderland movie. So it's off the skation.
38:47
Speaker 3: So when something becomes interesting they then throw out a
38:53
Speaker 3: bunch of fiction surrounding it. Now, Operation looking Glass isn't
39:00
Speaker 3: a isn't what people think that it is. Operation looking
39:05
Speaker 3: Glass is actually a program ran by the Air Force
39:09
Speaker 3: to put a nuclear control station platform in space. Oh wow,
39:20
Speaker 3: it's not to see end of the future. Whatever it
39:24
Speaker 3: is that they claim Project looking Glass. Actually I just
39:28
Speaker 3: type in Operation looking Glass into Google and you'll see
39:35
Speaker 3: that it was a Air Force program to put a airborne
39:43
Speaker 3: national command post in space.
39:48
Speaker 1: Here it is and so on. On the topic of disinformation.
39:53
Speaker 2: Oh there you go.
39:55
Speaker 3: Operation looking Glass or Operation looking Glass for Operation looking
39:58
Speaker 3: Glass as a historic code name for the air airborne
40:00
Speaker 3: command control center operated by the United States. In more
40:03
Speaker 3: recent years, it has been only efficiently referred to as
40:07
Speaker 3: airborne national command post. It provides a command control of
40:12
Speaker 3: US nuclear forces in the event of ground based command
40:15
Speaker 3: centers have been destroyed likewise rendered imparable, which is an event.
40:21
Speaker 3: The general officer aboard the looking Glass services airborne Emergency
40:25
Speaker 3: Action officer. So it's literally to put a nuclear command
40:30
Speaker 3: post national nuclear command post in space.
40:39
Speaker 1: So do you think that disinformation extends to the You
40:43
Speaker 1: mentioned how put off interview on Joe Rogan. Which part
40:46
Speaker 1: of that did you think maybe he wasn't forthcoming? Is
40:50
Speaker 1: that what you were trying to imply. I didn't really,
40:52
Speaker 1: I didn't catch the interview, so I'm not sure what
40:54
Speaker 1: to think of it.
40:54
Speaker 3: And no, just that whole idea and his outlook on
40:57
Speaker 3: like UFOs, like he believes that they're wanting to percent
41:00
Speaker 3: extraterrestrial and the aliens are coming here and like all that,
41:03
Speaker 3: and I don't believe that at all. I believe it's
41:06
Speaker 3: all our technology.
41:09
Speaker 1: Oh you don't even believe in interdimensional aliens?
41:12
Speaker 2: You just you think all of it is just not real, Okay.
41:15
Speaker 3: I mean I believe in the entities of course, right,
41:20
Speaker 3: believe that there's entities like all around us. Oh okay, right,
41:24
Speaker 3: but there's no physical entities.
41:26
Speaker 2: I got you.
41:27
Speaker 1: So like this, you're you're you're okay with the disembodied
41:30
Speaker 1: spirit stuff because a lot of people are talking about
41:33
Speaker 1: AI being disembodied spirits that's now communicating with us, and uh,
41:37
Speaker 1: I think that's a fascinating angle.
41:39
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what to make of it.
41:40
Speaker 1: Obviously, But I do tend to believe in the interdimensional stuff,
41:45
Speaker 1: but I'll put off as more of a Now these
41:46
Speaker 1: are nuts and bolts UFOs from planet into boou that
41:50
Speaker 1: fly in and.
41:52
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he he doesn't really exactly say. He talked
41:55
Speaker 3: also about the interdimensionality, Okay, like what they are and
42:00
Speaker 3: if anything, it's like plasma, if anything is physical, it's
42:04
Speaker 3: like it's not even really physical. It's like plasma entities.
42:08
Speaker 3: And if other entities exist outside of the Earth, which
42:14
Speaker 3: we have no evidence for it, but if they do exist,
42:18
Speaker 3: if there's other life on other planets, they aren't coming
42:22
Speaker 3: here physically. And that's that's another thing about this remote
42:27
Speaker 3: viewing stuff that is connected to the alien thing. Okay,
42:34
Speaker 3: if other entities live outside of their Earth on other planets,
42:41
Speaker 3: they are, they're not coming here physically. They're using their
42:46
Speaker 3: consciousness to transport themselves by locating themselves into our reality.
42:53
Speaker 3: That's the only way that they're not traveling through space.
42:58
Speaker 3: They're not traveling freaking thousands or millions of miles to
43:01
Speaker 3: come to Earth and a craft and a nuts and
43:04
Speaker 3: boltz craft. No, they're using their minds and they're by
43:10
Speaker 3: locating into our reality. To here mm just like just
43:17
Speaker 3: like what can be done with remote viewing here that
43:24
Speaker 3: is essentially by location where you sort of imprint your
43:30
Speaker 3: consciousness outside of your body, go to a completely different place,
43:35
Speaker 3: and then interact with your environment m and move objects.
43:41
Speaker 1: And that's a path price in Ingo Swan where they
43:43
Speaker 1: were they doing stuff like that, like where they Do
43:46
Speaker 1: you think they were able to sort of uh appear
43:49
Speaker 1: to people who on the other.
43:50
Speaker 3: End, yes, I think so. I mean I don't know
43:55
Speaker 3: if they can appear to people. I don't know if
43:56
Speaker 3: people could actually see them, because I think that that
44:00
Speaker 3: would be the next evolution of like remote viewing, right,
44:07
Speaker 3: It's evolved so much since its inception, and so that
44:12
Speaker 3: would be like the ultimate form of being able to
44:18
Speaker 3: remove you is to by locate your body physically to
44:22
Speaker 3: where someone else could literally see you while you're there.
44:28
Speaker 3: That would be like the most advanced form. I don't
44:30
Speaker 3: think that they were there, but they definitely were able
44:34
Speaker 3: to manipulate the environment someplace completely different than where they
44:41
Speaker 3: were and like move things.
44:46
Speaker 1: And do you think that the Stargate project, you know,
44:48
Speaker 1: it was officially shut down, but do you think it's
44:50
Speaker 1: continued on under other names or something like that.
44:53
Speaker 3: I don't think we have a reason to believe that
44:56
Speaker 3: it didn't.
44:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I find that strange that they studied it
45:01
Speaker 1: for so many years and then after twenty some years
45:05
Speaker 1: they thought, oh, this is kind of a waste. It's like,
45:07
Speaker 1: you think you would pick that up, like within a
45:09
Speaker 1: year or two you'd be like, oh, we're spinning our
45:11
Speaker 1: wheels there, nothing's happening. I can't imagine you'd study for
45:14
Speaker 1: twenty some years with zero you know, proof for evidence
45:20
Speaker 1: or results.
45:21
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, you're not going to fund something for
45:25
Speaker 3: what would it be like sixteen or so years. Started
45:28
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy eight and it in ninety five, so
45:32
Speaker 3: sixteen seventy years, seventeen years and fund all that and
45:36
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden be like, yeah, there's what
45:39
Speaker 3: happened was this is my guestimation. This is not a
45:42
Speaker 3: part of any official document. It's just my thoughts on it.
45:46
Speaker 3: Is that they found a different use for it, and
45:51
Speaker 3: they couldn't take the people that were involved in the
45:56
Speaker 3: initial program, which I have a photo here of all
45:58
Speaker 3: the people that were evolved in the official Stargate program.
46:04
Speaker 3: It's only twenty of them. So you got Trent Ken Bell,
46:12
Speaker 3: Joe Mcmonagol, Paul H. Smith, Which I've had Paul H.
46:15
Speaker 3: Smith on my show before, mel Riley, Lin Buchanan. I've
46:18
Speaker 3: had Lyn Buchannan on several times before, Charlene Cavanaugh, Rob Crawford,
46:24
Speaker 3: Robin D David Moorehouse. I've had David Moorehouse on quite
46:28
Speaker 3: a few times. Greg As F. Holmes Atwater, Linda A.
46:32
Speaker 3: Gene Lessman, Tom m Fern, Gavin Angela d. I've had
46:36
Speaker 3: Angela D on my show several times. Gabrielle Patt, Gal
46:41
Speaker 3: Ed Dames, and Bill Ray. Wow, those are the only
46:45
Speaker 3: people that were ever in this program. So if your
46:49
Speaker 3: name's not on this list, you were never in the
46:53
Speaker 3: Stargate remote viewing unit.
46:55
Speaker 2: What about Ango Swan? His name isn't on the list?
46:58
Speaker 3: Or he was that SRI He was never involved? Oh
47:03
Speaker 3: I see, he was a research someone that they were
47:09
Speaker 3: running the test on at SRI Okay.
47:12
Speaker 1: So Russell targ helped put off Ingo Swan. They were
47:16
Speaker 1: strictly with the SRI sort of research arm of the
47:22
Speaker 1: Stargate project. But this is the actual people that and
47:26
Speaker 1: what would these people do. They would just kind of
47:28
Speaker 1: just sit there and remote view to try to experiment
47:31
Speaker 1: to figure out how to do some intel in other
47:35
Speaker 1: countries and operations. Is that kind of what they what
47:37
Speaker 1: they would do every day for you know, forty hours
47:39
Speaker 1: a week.
47:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, And some of these people they weren't They would
47:47
Speaker 3: use kind of different methods. Like I'm pretty sure Robin
47:50
Speaker 3: d here, I'm pretty sure she's still involved in some
47:55
Speaker 3: kind of way. I don't have any factual information on that,
48:00
Speaker 3: but she is at least still working for the military,
48:03
Speaker 3: I know for a fact. And do they are either
48:08
Speaker 3: passed away dead or they're teaching remote viewing courses. And
48:16
Speaker 3: they've been on my show, just like I mentioned, Paul
48:18
Speaker 3: Smith's been on my show. Dell Graff has been on
48:21
Speaker 3: my show. Dell's not on here. He wasn't an actual
48:24
Speaker 3: remote viewer, he was just he was just the operations manager.
48:29
Speaker 3: David Moorehouse has been on My show. Angela Ford which
48:35
Speaker 3: she changed her name from. Her last name used to
48:38
Speaker 3: be del Fourier or Bell Delfoura or something like that,
48:42
Speaker 3: but then she just changed it to Ford last But
48:47
Speaker 3: so that's what they're But Angela she has a different
48:51
Speaker 3: kind of method she does, like an automatic writing method
48:55
Speaker 3: of like remote viewing and.
48:57
Speaker 1: Are are Are they all practicing different tech ne in
49:00
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49:04
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49:06
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49:08
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49:10
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Speaker 3: Well. The way that it works is that you get
51:20
Speaker 3: the if you're doing coordinate, remov you and you get
51:23
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51:27
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51:30
Speaker 3: is then what you remote you. How some people they don't.
51:35
Speaker 3: This is the whole weird thing with remote you. And
51:37
Speaker 3: you're just like the people think that whenever you remove you,
51:40
Speaker 3: like you you literally see things in your mind like
51:45
Speaker 3: you're at the location, like with your mind. That's not
51:49
Speaker 3: the way that it works. It's feeling you get. You
51:54
Speaker 3: get feelings and you sketch these feelings down on like
51:57
Speaker 3: a pad. Then like you'll like get a get like
52:02
Speaker 3: an intuition and like a feeling of like what the
52:06
Speaker 3: area looks like. Like you don't like get you don't
52:11
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52:14
Speaker 3: advanced form of removing. And like I was mentioning, like
52:16
Speaker 3: the bylocation stuff, right, then if you're just doing regularly
52:21
Speaker 3: remote viewing, you're not there at the site seeing the sight.
52:28
Speaker 2: Right.
52:29
Speaker 3: So what are ones that are like beacon exercises is
52:34
Speaker 3: what they call them, where they would essentially view something
52:41
Speaker 3: through somebody else's eyes. So they would have somebody out
52:44
Speaker 3: in the field, okay, or they would have a target
52:48
Speaker 3: that's another person and then they would essentially view through
52:53
Speaker 3: that person's eyes and like what they're seeing. But that's different,
52:58
Speaker 3: Like Cordner removeeing is different, out bound or exercises is different,
53:02
Speaker 3: Extended remote viewing is different. There's different things for all
53:06
Speaker 3: these different ways of remote viewing. So whenever people just
53:09
Speaker 3: throw the banner of remo viewing, I can see it. No,
53:15
Speaker 3: you're not, bro, You're just sitting down and you're closing
53:17
Speaker 3: your eyes and you're using your imagination. That's what I
53:21
Speaker 3: feel like.
53:21
Speaker 1: That's a fine line to sort of straddle between the two.
53:24
Speaker 1: But it it seems like, after you know, almost twenty
53:27
Speaker 1: years of research, it sounds like they've got it more
53:30
Speaker 1: a handle on how you can properly do it.
53:33
Speaker 3: Perhaps, yes, And like I mentioned, there were several times
53:41
Speaker 3: that they were asked to remove you weird and like
53:44
Speaker 3: I think Ingo Swan seeing like the ring around Venus
53:51
Speaker 3: or something like that or one of the planets before
53:53
Speaker 3: we even discovered that there was a ring around it
53:55
Speaker 3: because he was remote viewing it. So there's a lot
53:58
Speaker 3: of really strange weird thing but it was mostly focused,
54:01
Speaker 3: like the starget program was mostly focused on foreign targets,
54:06
Speaker 3: so they were trying to collect intelligence data on foreign assets.
54:10
Speaker 3: Like Joe mcmonagall would he remote viewed this giant submarine
54:23
Speaker 3: that was being built inside of a hangar, and like
54:27
Speaker 3: no one really believed them that they were like building
54:30
Speaker 3: the submarine, Like how are they building it? He described
54:32
Speaker 3: it and he drew it all out with these like
54:34
Speaker 3: giant like shafts and like arms and stuff like that,
54:40
Speaker 3: and then it turned out that that's exactly what they
54:42
Speaker 3: were doing. So it's like, yeah, it's really wild about
54:47
Speaker 3: let's finish up on this whole history thing. Because I
54:49
Speaker 3: don't have too much more So the budget was cut
54:56
Speaker 3: between the Army working with d I A because they
54:59
Speaker 3: thought that the program had been double funded, so then
55:02
Speaker 3: they cut funding. Army Intelligence then split from Day two
55:09
Speaker 3: separate groups. Army Intelligence then developed a different program, so
55:18
Speaker 3: Army DIA had two Supper programs. At this point it
55:23
Speaker 3: was called one the Army Intelligence was called Center Lane.
55:27
Speaker 3: So then in nineteen eighty three, a gentleman signed a
55:33
Speaker 3: memorandum allowing the resources to be reallocated and used to
55:38
Speaker 3: support Army's program, so they reversed the budget cuts of
55:43
Speaker 3: what happened before that created the Army splitting from DA.
55:48
Speaker 3: So in nineteen eighty three, the Army Remote Viewing Special
55:51
Speaker 3: Access program Center Lane was decided to be merged back
55:56
Speaker 3: with DA's Girl Flame program. Okay, So nineteen eighty four
56:01
Speaker 3: it was decided that the Center Lane Army Special Access
56:06
Speaker 3: program that was split from DA because they thought that
56:09
Speaker 3: it was being double funded, should be mixed back in
56:15
Speaker 3: with DA's Grow Flame. So in nineteen eighty five the
56:20
Speaker 3: transfer began from Army Center Lane project the DA's Grow
56:23
Speaker 3: FLAMEE program, and that became known under the banner of
56:27
Speaker 3: add Special Access program. Then the funding was restored and
56:33
Speaker 3: then the name changed again. Then it was called sun Streak.
56:39
Speaker 3: And after those combined, Army Intelligence kind of like got
56:44
Speaker 3: out of the way because they just took all the
56:46
Speaker 3: people that were working for Army Intelligence and combined them
56:48
Speaker 3: back with DA. But now it's under a DoD banner,
56:51
Speaker 3: so it's add special access program that the DA is running.
56:55
Speaker 3: And this was to use psycho energetics remote viewing as
57:02
Speaker 3: a way to you know, collect in one hundred percent
57:05
Speaker 3: intelligence data. So the program ran under Sunstreak until ninety
57:10
Speaker 3: one and then it was changed to Stargate by Dell Graph.
57:16
Speaker 3: He changed the names out of his own words because
57:20
Speaker 3: he felt that it described what they were doing better
57:22
Speaker 3: with you know, the human potential aspect of like what
57:25
Speaker 3: was going on there. So in ninety five the program
57:28
Speaker 3: was to be transferred to the CIA from the d
57:31
Speaker 3: D and the DIA CIA got their hands on it,
57:36
Speaker 3: like as mentioned in the very beginning, said that no
57:38
Speaker 3: intelligence data had ever been collected from the program and
57:40
Speaker 3: they shut it down, which one percent was not the case.
57:44
Speaker 3: And all the documents that I have and all the
57:46
Speaker 3: documents that I've read, these remote viewers were they turned
57:52
Speaker 3: out to be very accurate. They had drawings, descriptions of areas,
57:57
Speaker 3: the altitude, the freaking wind rate, you know, very descriptive
58:02
Speaker 3: details that they were getting by using their psychic abilities
58:08
Speaker 3: or remote viewing abilities. So the well and another thing
58:14
Speaker 3: was that the Air Force, the Air Force, whenever the
58:17
Speaker 3: CIA cut funding to SRI, the Air Force jumped in
58:21
Speaker 3: and started funding SRI from seventy six onward. So you know,
58:28
Speaker 3: the DIA, Army Intelligence they had a contract with SRI.
58:33
Speaker 3: They had contracts with a lot of people. Because this
58:36
Speaker 3: is another confusing aspect of it where people say, oh,
58:39
Speaker 3: this was a CIA program. Well, the CIA was involved,
58:43
Speaker 3: they were funding SRI, but a lot of these other
58:46
Speaker 3: intelligence agencies were also giving tasking to DIA. So the NSA,
58:55
Speaker 3: CIA were like Air Force, they were giving tasking to
59:02
Speaker 3: d i A for the remote viewers to you know,
59:06
Speaker 3: look at things for them. Okay, so that's where the
59:09
Speaker 3: confusion come in. But that's that's a uh history of
59:15
Speaker 3: the Stargate remote view that's fascinating.
59:18
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's it's kind of misleading, uh to
59:23
Speaker 1: say it's a CIA program because it's kind of changed
59:26
Speaker 1: hands and possession a bunch of times. Uh, it's kind
59:29
Speaker 1: of misleading to say it was an alien contact program
59:34
Speaker 1: as well. You didn't seem to you didn't seem to
59:37
Speaker 1: find any official connections into that that were it didn't
59:42
Speaker 1: didn't seem like that was the main thrust of the research.
59:44
Speaker 1: If there was maybe a couple of uh, loose points
59:47
Speaker 1: where it connected into that, but not not the main angle.
59:51
Speaker 1: But that that is interesting. It makes me wonder if
59:55
Speaker 1: because when you see the the modern day disclosure movement
59:59
Speaker 1: and people like David Grush, the whistleblower, saying stuff that well,
1:00:04
Speaker 1: there's a sort of quantum aspect to this whole thing,
1:00:07
Speaker 1: implying it as interdimensionality, or you know, doctor Jacques Valet
1:00:12
Speaker 1: implying that maybe there's some methods of contact that we
1:00:17
Speaker 1: need to consider that might be you know, quote unquote occult.
1:00:22
Speaker 1: I feel like it's almost like all that research must
1:00:27
Speaker 1: I mean, it must have continued on and it must
1:00:29
Speaker 1: be tapped into today. I mean, even if it shut
1:00:32
Speaker 1: down in the late nineties, it surely got resurrected at
1:00:35
Speaker 1: some point now that they're trying to do this sort
1:00:38
Speaker 1: of mass disclosure effort upon the public. Do you do
1:00:43
Speaker 1: you think that those do you see anything where those
1:00:45
Speaker 1: pieces connect in with the modern day disclosure movement that
1:00:49
Speaker 1: that maybe there's there's elements, like you know, how put
1:00:51
Speaker 1: Off going on Joe Rogan to talk about it, that's
1:00:54
Speaker 1: that's got to be looked at as a possible piece
1:00:56
Speaker 1: of the disclosure slow slow drip disclosure on the mass.
1:01:02
Speaker 3: I do think that it's connected. I just don't know
1:01:04
Speaker 3: exactly how it all is related in that aspect, but
1:01:09
Speaker 3: it definitely has something to do with consciousness, and that
1:01:12
Speaker 3: makes sense if these entities aren't physical entities, that's the
1:01:16
Speaker 3: only way that it makes sense. Yeah, you can contact them,
1:01:20
Speaker 3: if you can contact them like spiritually or through meditation
1:01:24
Speaker 3: or hallucinogenics for all that shit. Like, they're not physical beings.
1:01:30
Speaker 3: They never were physical beings.
1:01:33
Speaker 2: Did you know.
1:01:34
Speaker 3: That's another thing that Help put Off talks about in
1:01:36
Speaker 3: the Joe Rogan episode. He's like a lot of these
1:01:39
Speaker 3: craft that we've recovered were found archaeologically.
1:01:48
Speaker 2: Like Bob Lazar says, right, so.
1:01:50
Speaker 3: They were dug up. Okay, so they're old old ass
1:01:54
Speaker 3: craft that were found. This wasn't like recent times shit.
1:02:01
Speaker 3: And that's that's another thing that they're doing with this
1:02:03
Speaker 3: entire UFO and alien topic and narrative is that they're
1:02:08
Speaker 3: using word magic. It's all word magic. They use certain
1:02:12
Speaker 3: phrases to make you think that they're talking about one
1:02:16
Speaker 3: thing when they're really talking about something completely different, like
1:02:21
Speaker 3: with crash retrieval, like with national security threat, like with
1:02:27
Speaker 3: alien invasion. Okay, all these words and all these titles
1:02:32
Speaker 3: have multiple meanings, but when the public hears them, and
1:02:36
Speaker 3: people in this community hear them, they think one thing
1:02:41
Speaker 3: when they really mean something completely different. Just like non
1:02:44
Speaker 3: human intelligence. Okay, non human intelligence is a I. That's
1:02:51
Speaker 3: what Dave Grush talks about. He's like, there were non
1:02:54
Speaker 3: human intelligence, non biologicals Okay, non biological, non human intelligence.
1:03:00
Speaker 3: It's just a coincidence that we're coming up in this
1:03:02
Speaker 3: AI age and that term now becomes popular. That's what
1:03:06
Speaker 3: AI is. Crash retrieval doesn't mean that we saw a
1:03:12
Speaker 3: craft crash out of the sky or we saw it
1:03:15
Speaker 3: on our radar. Crash retrieval can be something that you
1:03:20
Speaker 3: dug up from hundreds of years ago or thousands of
1:03:24
Speaker 3: years ago, that has been here for freaking ever. If
1:03:28
Speaker 3: me and you picked up right now, we went to Afghanistan,
1:03:30
Speaker 3: we started an archaeological dig. We found some weird, strange
1:03:35
Speaker 3: craft in the ground. That would be a crash retrieval.
1:03:39
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter how long a period of time has lapsed
1:03:42
Speaker 3: in between you finding the craft and the craft coming down,
1:03:46
Speaker 3: it's still a crash retrieval. It's word magic. They're using
1:03:51
Speaker 3: word magic. A lean invasion. Okay, from twenty twenty to
1:04:00
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, we had an alien vision on our border. Okay,
1:04:08
Speaker 3: Trump comes in, stops the alien invasion, deports all the
1:04:14
Speaker 3: extraterrestrials that are not from this land back to their
1:04:18
Speaker 3: to their where they came from. Okay. Whenever we go
1:04:21
Speaker 3: to a different country, Isaac, we are aliens. We are
1:04:26
Speaker 3: not born there, we are not from there. If we
1:04:30
Speaker 3: went to Afghanistan right now, we would be aliens, we
1:04:35
Speaker 3: would be legal aliens, but we would still be considered
1:04:39
Speaker 3: alien because we are not from that part of the world.
1:04:45
Speaker 3: So it's word magic play that they're doing. Dude, That's
1:04:49
Speaker 3: exactly what it is. And that's what everyone has been
1:04:52
Speaker 3: talking about for how long have they been talking about?
1:04:54
Speaker 3: The fake alien aviasion? The fake alien invasion?
1:04:57
Speaker 1: Right, That's why I'm always torn. I don't know, I
1:04:58
Speaker 1: don't know what to believe. I mean, it's really hard
1:05:01
Speaker 1: for me to stick to one argument because it's so multifaceted.
1:05:06
Speaker 1: But you did great work on the Project Stargate stuff.
1:05:09
Speaker 1: If you want to tell the folks where they can
1:05:10
Speaker 1: catch because you, like you said, you've got multipinaries of
1:05:13
Speaker 1: people that were in the program, if you want to
1:05:15
Speaker 1: tell them the best place they can catch all of
1:05:17
Speaker 1: those episodes.
1:05:20
Speaker 3: And the national security thing too. The national security thing
1:05:24
Speaker 3: isn't that we're worried about them being in our airspace.
1:05:28
Speaker 3: The national security threat is that if other countries find
1:05:32
Speaker 3: out that it's our technology that's flying around in our airspace,
1:05:37
Speaker 3: then we're exposed. Then they can duplicate it, then they
1:05:40
Speaker 3: know that it's our technology. So it's better for them
1:05:43
Speaker 3: and the public and everyone to believe that these are
1:05:46
Speaker 3: extraterrestrial crafts coming from outer space, because if you keep
1:05:53
Speaker 3: them on extraterrestrial narrative, then they'll never realize that it's
1:05:57
Speaker 3: our own craft that we have developed, that we've been
1:05:58
Speaker 3: developing since it's the late eighteen hundreds at the Sonora
1:06:02
Speaker 3: Aero Club in California with the airships, and then later
1:06:06
Speaker 3: on in Nazi Germany, and then we brought all the
1:06:08
Speaker 3: Nazis over here, and then all of a sudden, something
1:06:10
Speaker 3: crashes two years later in Roswell. That was a test flight.
1:06:15
Speaker 3: I was a test white for new technology that NASA
1:06:20
Speaker 3: and these other companies were developing.
1:06:24
Speaker 2: I mean, I see the angle there.
1:06:27
Speaker 1: It's definitely one of the potential truths of what this is,
1:06:32
Speaker 1: as as like the New Jersey drones, right, that was
1:06:37
Speaker 1: a big thing, and then just you know a few
1:06:40
Speaker 1: months ago that New Jersey drones. Nobody knew what it was,
1:06:43
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they come out and
1:06:45
Speaker 1: said like, oh no, it was just I forget.
1:06:48
Speaker 2: I think they said there was.
1:06:48
Speaker 1: An FAA exercise or something crazy, and it just I
1:06:53
Speaker 1: don't know. It just didn't make sense to me when
1:06:54
Speaker 1: you see all the videos of what was out there.
1:06:56
Speaker 1: But I mean, that would make sense if it was
1:06:58
Speaker 1: merely a a way to test out our craft and
1:07:02
Speaker 1: then make foreign countries believe that this is extraterrestrial technology,
1:07:08
Speaker 1: and there's no point in trying to replicate it or
1:07:10
Speaker 1: or to sort of maybe under sell how advanced our
1:07:13
Speaker 1: technology is.
1:07:14
Speaker 2: You know, so fascinating stuff.
1:07:17
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna wrap up here in
1:07:20
Speaker 3: just a second, so when you think of it, there's
1:07:22
Speaker 3: nothing that you can do about extra treastrials, right, people
1:07:25
Speaker 3: think that extra treasures are so freaking advanced that there's
1:07:28
Speaker 3: nothing that we can do about extra treastrials. Okay, but
1:07:31
Speaker 3: if it's our technology, then there's one hundred percent something
1:07:34
Speaker 3: that we can do about it because of human technology.
1:07:36
Speaker 3: So they'd rather keep it in the realm of You
1:07:40
Speaker 3: can't do anything about these crafts. They are they're flying
1:07:43
Speaker 3: with impunity, they're over our airspace, they're doing whatever. It's
1:07:46
Speaker 3: a national security threat, but that's not what it is.
1:07:49
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Speaker 3: would like to reach out to me personally, they can
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Speaker 3: find me on x Twitter at Raised by Giants eat
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Speaker 3: and on Instagram at Raised by Giants pond. Appreciate you.
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Speaker 3: Hope everyone enjoyed it. Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was outstanding.
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Speaker 3: Thanks.
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Speaker 1: I'll put links in the show notes for all your stuff,
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Speaker 1: and we're definitely all going to check out your interviews
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Speaker 1: with the Stargate players. So thanks again for coming back on.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: I hope that clarified some of this mystery behind Project
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Speaker 1: Stargate remote viewing all the weird occult fringy stuff, because
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Speaker 1: I do think it's going to be part of the
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Speaker 1: disclosure movement for UAP because, as you heard about with
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Speaker 1: my interview with doctor joc Vallet, that's a man that
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Speaker 1: would know what's going on. He more or less advised
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Speaker 1: that we got to understand the occult if we want
1:08:45
Speaker 1: to understand the phenomenon. So if you want more, Rider Lee.
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Speaker 1: He is the host of Raised by Giants podcast. I'll
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Speaker 1: put a link in the show notes for his link
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Speaker 1: tree where you can find him. And he's got a
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Speaker 1: bunch of cool documentary style videos out. You can get
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Speaker 1: him on Amazon and all kinds of places, And check
1:09:01
Speaker 1: out my interview I did with him and Jay Widener
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Speaker 1: just a few months ago on Kubrick's Odyssey three. So
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Speaker 1: just scroll back up the feed and you'll find it. Anyways, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: fascinating subject. Right, The world is a very strained world,
1:09:14
Speaker 1: especially when you start understanding the occult underpinnings of everything
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Speaker 1: going on. Now listen if you want to splut the show.
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Speaker 1: If you like these kinds of interviews, drop a five
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Speaker 1: star on the podcast app that you're using. People on
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Speaker 1: my Patreon always like, where do you want me to
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Speaker 1: drop it? Because Patreon doesn't have a review option apparently,
1:09:30
Speaker 1: just go on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Those are the
1:09:32
Speaker 1: places that I check mostly. And then also I forgot
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Speaker 1: to mention that I put a link in the show notes.
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Speaker 2: For the video version of the show.
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Speaker 1: You can watch it on my rumbull, my YouTube I
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Speaker 1: uploaded to the free and Spotify. Now I upload it
1:09:46
Speaker 1: to the free feed, you know, a few days later
1:09:49
Speaker 1: than what everyone else gets to that. So anyway, drop
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Speaker 1: a five star review on the podcast app if your choice.
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Speaker 2: All right, thanks for listening.
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Speaker 1: Stay positive,