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#121 - Did Joe Rogan Just Convert to Christianity? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  So did Joe Rogan just become a Christian without anybody else noticing?
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  I was watching the podcast that he had the other week with Cody Tucker.
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  He sat down with him and had their whole, you know, three hour to four hour conversation.
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  And I watched most of it, but this one, I did not get to this point.
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  And I'm just seeing clips of things that Joe said about Jesus that just caught
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  me off guard. Did he just become a Christian?
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  And I didn't notice it. did you notice it?
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  My name is Brandon Fogle. This is Evolution. Let's dive into this.
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  This completely caught me off guard.
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  Like I said, I, I watch most of his podcasts. I listened to them depending on
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  a lot of time who the guest is.
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  I, and this one was really good. Cody Tucker sat down, he got one on the show
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  and they talked about a lot of different things.
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  I made it about halfway through and then went on to another one of his podcasts
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  or another something else, you know, But I'm going to show you a clip of something
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  he said in their discussion and talking about this universe that we find ourselves in.
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  Even if you are a naturalist, a pure naturalist, and you think that everything
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  has a reasonable, rational explanation for it, and there's just laws that just
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  govern this universe that we're in.
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  They threw out the whole this eternally existed.
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  I don't even think that's on the table anymore.
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  This universe did not eternally exist.
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  But now anyone that is even a scientist worth their salt understands that there
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  was a beginning, and we have the Big Bang Theory.
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  Joe and Cody, they're talking about this, and they're saying...
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  Even you got to accept some miracle that we all came from nothing and this all
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  just exploded into a universe that just was working perfectly together and is
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  in tune and everybody just,
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  develops consciousness and all that.
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  There had to been some miracle and he and Joe lands on, I think it's more reasonable
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  and rational, more rational to put your faith in Jesus. At least he says,
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  I'm sticking with Jesus.
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  Let's take a look at this clip. It is wild.
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  Because if it's just something, if it's just the nature of everything,
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  there is always something, right?
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  Right. It couldn't be nothing. And then all of a sudden, everything.
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  That seems... Because what started that? What kicked that off?
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  Exactly. What snapped its fingers?
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  That's McKenna's great line. Terrence McKenna had a great line about the difference
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  between science and religion is that science only asks you for one miracle.
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  I want you to believe in one miracle, the Big Bang. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That's a good one. It's a great line. It's because it really is true.
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  And it's funny because people would be incredulous about the resurrection of
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  Jesus Christ, but yet they're convinced that the entire universe was smaller than the head of a pen.
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  And for no reason than anybody's adequately explained to me. It makes sense.
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  It's detainously became everything. Yeah. Okay. I can't buy that.
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  I'm sticking with Jesus on that one.
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  Jesus makes more sense. It makes a hell of a lot more sense. There you have it.
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  I'm sticking with Jesus. Jesus makes more sense.
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  That is from at least from where Joe has come to now. He is constantly talking about Jesus.
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  Every pretty much every podcast he has, the topic gets brought up.
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  And Joe used to be hostile to Christianity. He made fun of it.
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  He thought it was stupid.
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  And I think that is reasonable. That is reasonable to be hostile to Christianity, to think it is stupid.
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  And if you're not, then you're really not being honest with yourself because
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  the Bible makes it clear.
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  It says to the foolish or to the natural person, this whole thing about the
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  cross and Jesus being crucified and him dying for our sins, that's foolishness.
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  It's stupidity. So I think Job was just being honest as any person is.
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  You either, you got to come to at least put that wall down and say, is it reasonable or not?
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  And Joe made it clear. He said it was stupid. I could not get on board with
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  Jesus and all this is all myth and all and all made up fantasy and all that.
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  But now he's like, if we come to the point, I think it's a lot of him having
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  Jordan Peterson on and a lot of different people,
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  Wes Huff coming on and talking about Christ and just the logical nature of everything
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  in the Bible and archaeology just supports it.
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  It seems like every turn of the spade, it supports what the Bible has put down
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  for thousands of years for us. It just upholds it.
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  Everything that we find in history eventually comes out that the Bible was correct.
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  And we can't say everything right now. There's an answer for everything because
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  there is seemingly contradictions at points in the Bible. And I get that.
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  But just probabilistically, it seems like every century, something more comes
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  out that it becomes more rational to believe.
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  And I think just Joe being willing
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  to listen and sit in and hear about all this, you got to come from it.
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  Like, even if you don't believe in Christ or the Bible, this,
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  that we're all even here is a miracle.
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  It's all a miracle one way or the other.
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  We can't explain it. And I, I listened to Joe Tucker Carlson,
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  who he had, he had a well-known scientists
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  or last week on there was that cannot think
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  of it immediately let me actually look it up
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  because i actually did a video last week about it
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  and i can't think of who it was tucker
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  carlson i'll probably i'll look at it and i'll find it next time let me just
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  look it up let me just look it up i'm gonna take a second but everything they
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  talked about i'm having a moment that's who it was brett weinstein i did a video
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  of about it last night last week and i can't remember I couldn't remember who the name of who it was.
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  Brett Weinstein is a very well-respected scientist, you know,
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  biologist in all accounts and just knows this stuff in and out.
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  And Tucker kept pressing him over and over about belief in all this and like,
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  where'd we all come from?
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  And because Brett doesn't believe in God and Tucker's like, well, can you explain it?
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  And it comes down to, no, I can't. And nobody can know.
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  And, And every time that Brett, like he gives a very good, smart,
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  like articulate descriptions of how everything happens in the evolutionary process
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  and how this world functions together.
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  But he can't explain how did this all spring into existence? How did it all happen?
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  And I think that is the struggle that Joe has. And he's having because no one,
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  he says, no one's been able to rationally be able to explain it to me so that
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  it makes sense. We cannot know. Nobody can know how this all came into existence.
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  So by default, it seems like the best explanation and the most rational place
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  to put one's faith is Christ.
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  Because they're asking, in naturalistic understanding, it's all about you have
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  to believe in something. Something put all this into motion.
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  So that in itself is a miracle. So you still have to accept a miracle.
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  And if one miracle can happen, why couldn't all these other miracles happen?
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  If God is over nature and he's the one who's put in the laws of nature,
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  why cannot he suspend his laws at time? And I think that is where Joe is at.
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  And to me, it's just, I'm always very interested in the journey of Joe because,
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  and I, and even listen to him and Jordan Peterson as they talk about Christ
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  and talk about all this stuff and Tucker.
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  At the end of the day, somebody, it's not a matter of assent.
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  I intellectually believe that Jesus is the most rational explanation for everything.
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  And it is the safest place to put my faith because at the end of the day,
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  everybody is putting their faith in something.
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  You're putting your faith in something, but it is not enough to just assent
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  and intellectually agree that Jesus is true.
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  The resurrection happened. The Bible is correct.
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  You know, all that, you know, but I think that is a hurdle that you have to
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  get past before you can actually surrender to Christ,
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  because you have to be fully in and bought into who Jesus is. You have to sell all.
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  And give yourself to Christ to be his. But where Joe is at in him intellectually
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  assenting and saying, yeah, Jesus is the most reliable place to put one's faith
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  because the other way you still have to accept miracles.
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  And all that I'm hearing about Jesus, I'm siding with Jesus.
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  I'm siding with Jesus. So it's like I had to get past the intellectual things
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  in myself. I could not get on board with who Christ was and all that. I had to get past that.
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  I could not check my brain at the door and give my life to Jesus without understanding
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  that he actually really existed and there was reliable evidence for his resurrection.
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  And if his resurrection happened, that changes everything.
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  And I think Joe is there. I think he's there, but it's still a heart issue and
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  it's still a supernatural issue.
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  I cannot stress this enough. It's not that somebody, people out there,
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  oh, I'm going to believe in Jesus today.
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  I'm going to believe in him. I'm just going to change my whole mindset and believe in him.
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  And just believing and thinking something is true is not enough.
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  You have to give yourself fully to him.
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  And I think Joe is getting closer and closer to that.
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  I think he, God is the only one that knows. God's the only one that can really
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  open his heart to receive Christ. But man, it's like...
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  If it's this powerful, and he's saying this, there's been so many atheists and
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  people that were against the Bible and against Christ throughout history.
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  People that tried to destroy and deny Jesus and the resurrection.
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  C.S. Lewis was one. He was an atheist. He did not want Christianity to be true.
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  He did not want it. Because in his viewpoint, if Jesus, this is true,
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  if there is a God, then there is no door marked exit.
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  I can't get out. I can't punch out and somehow escape.
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  He's there. He's what we got to deal with.
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  Whether we want to end ourselves or we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow,
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  if we did end ourself, we would just be standing in his presence.
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  We would just be before him.
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  This whole curtain that is up, that is our life, and this world that we see
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  would just be pulled down and we would see him face-to-face,
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  even though he is face-to-face right now with us.
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  There's just a veil over all our eyes. We just don't see him.
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  And that was what terrified C.S. Lewis.
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  And it is terrifying. But until you understand that this consuming fire that
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  is God is also pure love, he loves more than you could ever imagine loving someone.
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  You know what I mean? He is, so he is a safe place to put your, your faith.
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  And I think Joe is getting there and I hope he gets there fully.
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  All right. Well, if you've liked this video, make sure you smash that like button,
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  My name is Brandon Fogle and I do this every day at 7am central time.
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  We'll leave it at that. Have a great day, everyone.