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Unlocking the Power of Gratitude · Create The Best Me

• 0:00
  Carmen Hecox: Welcome to Create the Best Me.
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  Carmen Hecox: I am Carmen Hecox, a personal development coach, and I am so excited to be connecting with you today.
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  Carmen Hecox: Whether you're listening to the podcast or joining us on YouTube, my goal is to help women navigate through midlife challenges with compassion, inspiration, and empowering conversations.
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  Carmen Hecox: Each week we'll dive into thought-provoking topics designed to build self-confidence, overcome invisible women's syndrome, and find the courage to create the best version of yourself.
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  Carmen Hecox: I'll also be joined by expert guests who will share their wisdom and insights, so make yourself comfortable and let's embark on this journey together.
• 0:44
  Carmen Hecox: Well, hello there.
• 0:45
  Carmen Hecox: Fearless midlife trailblazers, welcome to Create the Best Me.
• 0:49
  Carmen Hecox: If you are new here, I'm so glad you made it here.
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  Carmen Hecox: If you're a returning listener, welcome back to the one and only place where we encourage and empower women in midlife to pursue their dreams and live life to the fullest! My name is Carmen Hecox, and I'm your host and personal development coach.
• 1:08
  Carmen Hecox: Today's guest is Lori Saitz, founder and CEO of Zen Rabbit and the host of Fine is a 4-Letter Word Podcast.
• 1:17
  Carmen Hecox: Lori is an award-winning author, speaker broadcaster who is on a mission to teach the world to be calm and grounded no matter what's going on.
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  Carmen Hecox: Lori is often sought by high achievers who have a strong drive to be productive,but at the end of the day, feel like they're unable to accomplish enough.
• 1:39
  Carmen Hecox: Lori guides high achiever entrepreneurs and business leaders from being stressed and chaotic to living a peaceful and focused, and more sabbatical life.
• 1:50
  Carmen Hecox: Today, Lori is going to share some of her tips and tricks to help us discover how to live a more balanced life.
• 1:58
  Carmen Hecox: Let's jump into the conversation now.
• 2:00
  Carmen Hecox: Hello and welcome, Lori Seitz, to Create The Best Me.
• 2:04
  Carmen Hecox: I'm so happy to have you on.
• 2:07
  Lori Saitz: Thanks so much for having me.
• 2:08
  Lori Saitz: I'm excited to be here.
• 2:10
  Carmen Hecox: Hey Lori, believe it or not, there might be people out there that don't know who you are.
• 2:14
  Carmen Hecox: Can you tell the listeners and viewers who you are and what you do?
• 2:19
  Lori Saitz: Who I am.
• 2:20
  Lori Saitz: Wow.
• 2:21
  Lori Saitz: Uh, so much.
• 2:22
  Lori Saitz: Well, so I'll start out with saying that I am the CEO and Founder of a company called Zen Rabbit.
• 2:29
  Lori Saitz: And like you said, I am the host of a podcast called Fine is a 4-Letter Word, and I am on a mission to teach the world to be calm and grounded no matter what's going on around them.
• 2:41
  Carmen Hecox: And, for some of the people that may be interested in listening to your podcast, when does your podcast air, and where can people find you?
• 2:50
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, it's a weekly podcast.
• 2:51
  Lori Saitz: New episodes are published every Thursday morning, and it's available on all the regular podcast platforms; like wherever you're listening to this show, you could find my show as well.
• 3:03
  Carmen Hecox: And are you also on YouTube as well
• 3:06
  Lori Saitz: Uh, not yet.
• 3:08
  Carmen Hecox: Today you are.
• 3:09
  Lori Saitz: There is a YouTube channel, but my show is not on it yet.
• 3:12
  Lori Saitz: And I know I've been talking with so many people about how important it is to put it up there, and I just, I, I'm, I'm coming up on a hundred episodes, so I have a lot of work to do to get up.
• 3:24
  Lori Saitz: Updated.
• 3:25
  Carmen Hecox: Well, I guess then we can call this your slow open to YouTube.
• 3:30
  Lori Saitz: Yes.
• 3:30
  Lori Saitz: There we go.
• 3:32
  Carmen Hecox: Perfect.
• 3:33
  Carmen Hecox: So the reason why I asked you to come on the show is because I believe that there are many women like me who need to quiet their mind need to practice gratitude so that they can achieve their goals, and you're kind of an expert in that arena.
• 3:51
  Lori Saitz: I am, you know, we've been so conditioned to believe that hard work is the path to success.
• 4:00
  Lori Saitz: We've been programmed with that since birth, and so that's what we do.
• 4:05
  Lori Saitz: We go to work, we, whether it's your own business or you're working for someone else, and you work a million hours a week, and then you come home and do more work, or you come out of your office, and you do more work and 18 hour days you go to bed still feeling like you haven't accomplished enough, and that if you ever take a break, you're being a slacker and slow down, relax, recharge.
• 4:31
  Lori Saitz: I'll do that when the work is done, but the work is never done.
• 4:35
  Lori Saitz: And that is what leads to all the burnout and overwhelm and stress that we see around us.
• 4:42
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, and I think that it doesn't matter whether you're passionate about what you're doing; you can still be a victim of being burned out.
• 4:51
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 4:52
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, I've been there myself.
• 4:53
  Lori Saitz: I mean, this is the irony of it, right?
• 4:55
  Lori Saitz: I teach people how to tap into feeling gratitude, finding their inner voice, doing meditation, like doing all the things so that they don't feel like that.
• 5:07
  Lori Saitz: And yet, at about this time last year, I was running my business doing all the things, not getting the results that I thought I should be getting and putting should in air quotes.
• 5:19
  Lori Saitz: Uh, so my solution to that was to do more of them.
• 5:23
  Lori Saitz: It's not working, so let me do more of it.
• 5:25
  Lori Saitz: And that didn't work either.
• 5:27
  Lori Saitz: And then I finally woke up and then went, wait a second.
• 5:32
  Lori Saitz: I'm doing all these things.
• 5:33
  Lori Saitz: I'm not getting where I think I would expect to be at this point.
• 5:38
  Lori Saitz: And I'm not having fun.
• 5:41
  Lori Saitz: I'm done.
• 5:41
  Lori Saitz: I'm done doing all the things.
• 5:43
  Lori Saitz: I still loved my business.
• 5:44
  Lori Saitz: I wasn't giving up on it, but I decided that I had to stop and take a sabbatical, is what I called it, to go have fun cuz I truly, I believe that life is about experiences and having fun, like that's what we're here for.
• 6:01
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, it's a balance.
• 6:02
  Carmen Hecox: You have to work, but you also have to incorporate playing per se, playing, having fun, doing something outside of work.
• 6:13
  Carmen Hecox: And in my opinion, I think it's to build up your creativity cuz creativity comes from engaging in something that's totally not even related to what you're doing.
• 6:22
  Lori Saitz: Absolutely, it's actually required for success.
• 6:26
  Lori Saitz: That's the piece that we have wrong.
• 6:28
  Lori Saitz: We think it's all about work, work, work, but that play piece, that time to recharge, that is actually required for true success.
• 6:37
  Lori Saitz: Yes, you can.
• 6:38
  Lori Saitz: I mean, everybody has their own definition of success.
• 6:41
  Lori Saitz: You can reach financial success or like the pinnacle of the business world by not doing those things.
• 6:47
  Lori Saitz: But at what cost?
• 6:49
  Lori Saitz: What how are you physically, mentally, emotionally?
• 6:52
  Lori Saitz: What do your relationships look like when you get there?
• 6:55
  Lori Saitz: And are you fulfilled by that?
• 6:57
  Lori Saitz: Most people would say no.
• 6:58
  Lori Saitz: So, to have true success, which is joyful.
• 7:02
  Lori Saitz: You have to take that time to recharge and to play and to give yourself like time to do nothing.
• 7:11
  Lori Saitz: I just finished reading this book called"Stolen Focus" by Johann Hari, and in it, he talks about the criticalness.
• 7:21
  Lori Saitz: Is that a word?
• 7:22
  Lori Saitz: How critical it is to have that time, to allow yourself that time to do nothing, because that is when you get creative, that's when ideas come to you and just like sitting and literally doing nothing, like staring out the window, sitting on a beach or at a park or whatever it is not on, certainly not on your electronics, and just allowing yourself.
• 7:48
  Lori Saitz: Thoughts to come and go, and that's when that creativity and bubbles up.
• 7:52
  Lori Saitz: And that's when you also can be more focused when you go back to actually do something.
• 7:58
  Carmen Hecox: And that's really interesting that you say that cuz I was telling my husband I need a whiteboard or something in the shower.
• 8:03
  Carmen Hecox: Cuz that's where my inspiration comes.
• 8:06
  Carmen Hecox: I'm in the shower, the water is hitting me, and all of a sudden, it's just like these thoughts just come skyrocketing into my head.
• 8:14
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, yeah, that's great because you're allowing yourself the freedom.
• 8:19
  Lori Saitz: A lot of people talk about getting great ideas in the shower or when they're out for a run, or when they are doing things that allow them to be unfocused.
• 8:28
  Carmen Hecox: So can you, um, tell us about your journey and how you became a transformational coach?
• 8:35
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the word coach, but I use it because that's how.
• 8:40
  Lori Saitz: What people identify, like they understand that term.
• 8:44
  Lori Saitz: I really see myself more as a guide or a mentor, but most of the time, mentors don't get paid, and I do.
• 8:50
  Lori Saitz: So I guess there's that.
• 8:54
  Lori Saitz: Um, yeah.
• 8:55
  Lori Saitz: Well, where did it start?
• 8:57
  Lori Saitz: So I, as an entrepreneurial journey, I well, let me back up.
• 9:01
  Lori Saitz: So my mom took my brother and me to a meditation course when I was 10 years old.
• 9:06
  Lori Saitz: That is, yeah, it was really a gift.
• 9:09
  Lori Saitz: That course is now known as the Silva Method, and it is taught by Mindvalley; I mention it because Vishen Lakhiani is the founder of Mindvalley, and interestingly enough, his introduction to meditation was also the Silva Method when he was a kid.
• 9:25
  Lori Saitz: So now his organization is the one that teaches the Silva Method.
• 9:30
  Lori Saitz: I don't have any association or affiliation with them.
• 9:32
  Lori Saitz: Just throwing it out there.
• 9:33
  Lori Saitz: I'm actually going through it right now, again, like going through the course, too, as a refresher.
• 9:39
  Lori Saitz: Anyway, so I had this background, but I didn't practice it.
• 9:44
  Lori Saitz: Like yeah, I got this foundation, but then I never practiced meditation consistently for like the next 35 years.
• 9:50
  Lori Saitz: So, um, yeah, I started my first business in 2003, and I was making a product called the Gratitude Cookie, which is based on a family recipe, kind of a cross between a butter and a sugar cookie.
• 10:04
  Lori Saitz: And my background, it has been in marketing.
• 10:08
  Lori Saitz: I took this product and marketed it as a way for businesses to say thank you to their clients and the referral sources.
• 10:16
  Lori Saitz: 11 years of running that business couldn't scale it the way I wanted to.
• 10:20
  Lori Saitz: And if I'm being truthful, I say I couldn't scale it.
• 10:23
  Lori Saitz: I couldn't get it profitable.
• 10:25
  Lori Saitz: All right.
• 10:25
  Lori Saitz: Let's just be honest here.
• 10:27
  Lori Saitz: I couldn't get turn a profit.
• 10:29
  Carmen Hecox: So, it was more like a hobby as opposed to a business, even though it was intended to be a business.
• 10:33
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, that's what my accountant said, Uhhuh.
• 10:35
  Lori Saitz: Um, no, I was working it like a business, though.
• 10:39
  Lori Saitz: It just wasn't; I couldn't, yeah.
• 10:42
  Lori Saitz: Anyway, in hindsight, I, there were things I could have done differently.
• 10:46
  Lori Saitz: Of course, we can see that.
• 10:48
  Lori Saitz: But so I decided to shut it down, and at that same time, my mom was diagnosed with an acute form of leukemia and passed away six weeks later, and that's when I started looking.
• 10:59
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, I mean, so much packed into that timeframe.
• 11:03
  Lori Saitz: And so here I am mourning the loss, the, I don't, I'm not a big fan of this term loss when somebody passes away, cuz they're still, I believe they're still there.
• 11:12
  Lori Saitz: I didn't lose them, but mourning the death of my business and my mom at the same time and asking myself, do I want to live the next 20 years the same way I've lived the last 20, and you know not that the last 20 were terrible.
• 11:28
  Lori Saitz: They were fine.
• 11:29
  Lori Saitz: And now you see where the name comes from.
• 11:33
  Lori Saitz: For my show and my program, everything was fine.
• 11:36
  Lori Saitz: When everything is fine, it's so hard to make a change.
• 11:41
  Carmen Hecox: Why change it?
• 11:42
  Carmen Hecox: Why change it?
• 11:42
  Carmen Hecox: It's working.
• 11:44
  Lori Saitz: It, it's sort of working.
• 11:46
  Lori Saitz: It's not not working, but it's not.
• 11:50
  Lori Saitz: I don't feel passion for it, or I'm not super excited to jump outta bed every morning and get into my day.
• 11:57
  Lori Saitz: There was a lot that wasn't working.
• 12:00
  Lori Saitz: So, then the next question is, what am I going to do differently?
• 12:04
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 12:04
  Lori Saitz: And so, a few years after that, what I decided I was going to do differently was leave my marriage after 22 years.
• 12:13
  Lori Saitz: And, yeah, and almost 20, I think it was like 28 years together.
• 12:17
  Lori Saitz: So most of my adult life with this person who was fine, like he's an amazing human; I have nothing bad to say about him.
• 12:25
  Lori Saitz: And he would say nothing bad about me.
• 12:27
  Lori Saitz: And all of our friends are still friends with each other and like, but it was, the relationship was not serving either one of us anymore.
• 12:35
  Lori Saitz: It was fine.
• 12:38
  Lori Saitz: That's.
• 12:39
  Carmen Hecox: That's it.
• 12:39
  Carmen Hecox: It was just fine.
• 12:41
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 12:42
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 12:43
  Lori Saitz: And so that's really been my journey around, so I shut down that business.
• 12:48
  Lori Saitz: I started another business teaching networking strategies.
• 12:51
  Lori Saitz: To quiet people cuz, that's what I had to learn when I started the first business of how do you walk into a room full of people in a networking situation at a conference or wherever and start conversations with people that you don't know.
• 13:05
  Lori Saitz: It's very intimidating for some people, including it, was for me, and I know there's a lot of other people who feel that way.
• 13:11
  Lori Saitz: So I was teaching that then pandemic, nobody's going anywhere.
• 13:16
  Lori Saitz: And that's when I transitioned into teaching or sharing or doing what I'm doing now, which is helping people find calmness and groundedness no matter what's going on around them, as well as finding what really lights them up.
• 13:34
  Carmen Hecox: And I think that's really important, especially in today's world, because we have so many things coming at us, so many overdue to-do lists that we need to get to, and so many goals that we have planned for ourselves, and we just haven't gotten to them just yet because there's just so much coming at us.
• 13:56
  Carmen Hecox: And I think that it's important to be able to quiet ourselves down and be able to focus on.
• 14:03
  Carmen Hecox: Those things that make us not just fine but better than fine.
• 14:08
  Lori Saitz: Right, and it's a matter of making time for them.
• 14:12
  Lori Saitz: And this is why in the first part of my course, the F Being Fine course, we dive into what are your core values and do those values match what's on your calendar?
• 14:25
  Lori Saitz: For example, if you say family is one of your top values, but you don't make any time to spend time with them, there's a disconnect.
• 14:34
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, they're just there, and you're claiming them, but you're not really embracing the joy of having family.
• 14:41
  Lori Saitz: Well, you're not putting your, what's that?
• 14:44
  Lori Saitz: What's that phrase?
• 14:45
  Lori Saitz: Putting your mouth where?
• 14:47
  Lori Saitz: Putting your money where your mouth is.
• 14:50
  Lori Saitz: That's an odd phrase now that I'm saying it and thinking about it.
• 14:54
  Lori Saitz: But you're not doing what you say is important to you.
• 14:57
  Lori Saitz: You're not giving it.
• 14:58
  Lori Saitz: You say it's a top value, but you're not actually giving it value in your daily life.
• 15:03
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, kind of more like up on the shelf collecting dust.
• 15:07
  Lori Saitz: Right, right.
• 15:09
  Lori Saitz: Did you ever hear that story about, there's a story about a professor who was teaching a class about priorities, or he was teaching a lesson on priorities, and he took the rocks and a glass jar and asked them like, what rocks, different size rocks, all the way down to sand he started putting the biggest rocks in first.
• 15:28
  Lori Saitz: And then the some smaller rocks and then some pebbles and then some sand.
• 15:31
  Lori Saitz: But if he had started with the sand, there wouldn't have been any room for the bigger rocks.
• 15:35
  Lori Saitz: Like you have to start with those big rocks, those top values, and put those into your life first.
• 15:42
  Lori Saitz: Otherwise, there's no room for them.
• 15:44
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, that's kind of, like, we all live the dream.
• 15:47
  Carmen Hecox: We say, okay, now I'm gonna get married, I'm gonna have children.
• 15:50
  Carmen Hecox: And I'm gonna have a job.
• 15:51
  Carmen Hecox: But most of us, I would think that most of us probably spend more time with our job as opposed to the things that we told ourselves.
• 15:58
  Carmen Hecox: I'm gonna get married, and I'm gonna have children, and I'm gonna have a job.
• 16:01
  Carmen Hecox: But the job suddenly becomes top priority because we say that the job is going to bring me money to take care of my family.
• 16:10
  Carmen Hecox: The job is going to provide me the opportunity to have a home to have things for my family.
• 16:18
  Lori Saitz: Right.
• 16:19
  Carmen Hecox: But then the job's, then kind of becomes the number one thing.
• 16:21
  Lori Saitz: Right, yeah, it's a means; you start out looking at it as a means to an end, but it becomes the mean.
• 16:27
  Lori Saitz: Like it becomes the main thing.
• 16:29
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, and I think it's not just women that do that.
• 16:32
  Carmen Hecox: I think men do that just as much.
• 16:35
  Carmen Hecox: Cuz we look at a lot of people with high divorce rates.
• 16:38
  Lori Saitz: Right.
• 16:39
  Lori Saitz: And I don't think it's only people who have a job.
• 16:43
  Lori Saitz: Even entrepreneurs, business owners same thing.
• 16:46
  Lori Saitz: The business becomes the priority, and that's when relationships start falling apart.
• 16:51
  Lori Saitz: And I can look at what, when I was running that first business, I did that, and that certainly did not help my marriage.
• 16:59
  Lori Saitz: So yeah,
• 17:00
  Carmen Hecox: I think we think if I can just reach this level or if I just get this one thing done, then I can go reward myself with my family
• 17:08
  Lori Saitz: yeah.
• 17:09
  Lori Saitz: If I just.
• 17:09
  Carmen Hecox: or husband.
• 17:10
  Carmen Hecox: If I just do this, just let me accomplish this one more thing.
• 17:15
  Carmen Hecox: Ooh, girl, you're talking to me.
• 17:19
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 17:20
  Lori Saitz: I mean, when you stop and think about it, it doesn't make any sense.
• 17:25
  Lori Saitz: And when you go back to what we were talking about at the beginning, it's not actually helping you be more successful; it's taking away, because you're taking, you're not allowing yourself to do the thing that fuels you, so you're always gonna be depleted.
• 17:41
  Carmen Hecox: It sucks the joy out of where you thought that the joy was gonna come because I want to do this.
• 17:47
  Carmen Hecox: This is what resonates with me.
• 17:48
  Carmen Hecox: This is what gives me joy.
• 17:50
  Carmen Hecox: But then you're putting in too much into that, that the joy no longer lives in that desire.
• 17:57
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:58
  Lori Saitz: You know, I've heard, I've never been a professional athlete or really even a sort of amateur athlete, but that when you are playing the game for the joy of it when you start when you turn professional, then it's not as much fun anymore.
• 18:12
  Lori Saitz: I mean, it could; it happens a lot.
• 18:14
  Lori Saitz: It can still be fun for some people, but for a lot of them, it now is a job, and it's not fun anymore.
• 18:21
  Carmen Hecox: And I think it's maybe because you start competing with others.
• 18:26
  Carmen Hecox: Or you start holding a certain standard; this is where I have to be at.
• 18:30
  Carmen Hecox: And if you can't reach that for, maybe your body just can't do that.
• 18:35
  Lori Saitz: Mm-hmm.
• 18:36
  Carmen Hecox: The joy is gone.
• 18:37
  Carmen Hecox: There's no passion behind that sport anymore.
• 18:40
  Carmen Hecox: I mean, I don't, perhaps.
• 18:43
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 18:43
  Lori Saitz: Yeah
• 18:44
  Carmen Hecox: So you talked about the first part of your program is aligning your values.
• 18:50
  Lori Saitz: Right in the first session, we work on values and decision, how to make decisions, how to make good decisions.
• 18:57
  Lori Saitz: Um, but we start with that values thing.
• 18:59
  Lori Saitz: So, In my program, there's uh, so it's called f Being Fine.
• 19:04
  Lori Saitz: But under that, there's a framework is called The Trilogy for Success.
• 19:08
  Lori Saitz: And the trilogy is gratitude, connections, and courage.
• 19:14
  Lori Saitz: And so we get into the whole concept of gratitude and using gratitude as a way to see the world.
• 19:22
  Lori Saitz: Gratitude so, a lot of us are; I think babies are born naturally grateful.
• 19:26
  Lori Saitz: Do you think?
• 19:27
  Carmen Hecox: I think so.
• 19:28
  Carmen Hecox: They're happy.
• 19:29
  Carmen Hecox: They come out crying, but when look at them, they giggle, they smile.
• 19:34
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 19:35
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 19:35
  Lori Saitz: I think we're born naturally grateful, but society takes that away from us or conditions it out of us because then we come into a world that teaches us to pay attention to distractions and everything that is screaming for your attention, which is tends to be negative.
• 19:52
  Lori Saitz: Complaining, criticizing, distracting you from who you truly are.
• 19:58
  Lori Saitz: And so the truth is what you focus on, you will get more of.
• 20:04
  Lori Saitz: So when you are focused on complaints and criticism, you will attract more of that to you.
• 20:10
  Lori Saitz: That's energetically how we work.
• 20:13
  Lori Saitz: That's science.
• 20:15
  Lori Saitz: So when you are finding gratitude, you will be in a state where you're attracting more of that to you as well.
• 20:24
  Lori Saitz: So there's, um, so how do you become a more naturally grateful person if that's not your nature?
• 20:31
  Lori Saitz: You know, it's, it's been trained out of you, you're outta practice.
• 20:35
  Lori Saitz: How do you get into that habit?
• 20:38
  Lori Saitz: I do believe gratitude is a habit.
• 20:40
  Lori Saitz: So just yesterday or the day before, I saw an article on Yahoo News about Rick Allen, who's the drummer for Def Leppard.
• 20:50
  Lori Saitz: Are you a Def Leppard fan?
• 20:51
  Carmen Hecox: I am, I am.
• 20:53
  Lori Saitz: So I didn't know that he had been, um, he had been attacked in like a personal assault in, uh, Fort Lauderdale, Florida in March.
• 21:02
  Lori Saitz: But the article was about his, how he, well, it was about the attack and how he's recovered, and he wasn't, Badly hurt.
• 21:10
  Lori Saitz: But he says in the article he immediately went to gratitude and was thankful for his family and for his higher power.
• 21:20
  Lori Saitz: And I forget you might've called it God, but he immediately went to gratitude.
• 21:25
  Lori Saitz: That means to me that means he's been practicing gratitude because when something like that happens, typically somebody will go to anger, retaliation, or maybe a Why did this happen to me?
• 21:39
  Lori Saitz: You have to be trained to find gratitude in your regular life to go to gratitude in a situation like that.
• 21:48
  Lori Saitz: So I admire him for that.
• 21:49
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, and I don't know if you remember this because you and I are about pretty close the same age.
• 21:54
  Carmen Hecox: Rick Allen, he was already with Def Leppard, and then he had that tragic accident in which he lost his arm.
• 22:01
  Carmen Hecox: And so I think that had he had not already been practicing gratitude, we wouldn't even be talking about him today because you and I were probably, nine or 10 years old when that happened.
• 22:16
  Lori Saitz: You know what?
• 22:16
  Lori Saitz: No, this is interesting.
• 22:18
  Lori Saitz: He is, he's, he's pretty close to our age.
• 22:22
  Lori Saitz: I didn't realize that.
• 22:22
  Lori Saitz: The article said, so he's 59.
• 22:26
  Carmen Hecox: You're kidding me.
• 22:27
  Carmen Hecox: Cuz my girlfriend, Dr.
• 22:29
  Carmen Hecox: Jen, she interviewed him.
• 22:30
  Carmen Hecox: And for some reason, I was thinking that, that Rick Alan was a little older.
• 22:34
  Carmen Hecox: I didn't know that he was.
• 22:35
  Lori Saitz: I did too.
• 22:36
  Lori Saitz: But this article, I'm pretty sure it said he was 59, and I was like, wait, wait, what?
• 22:40
  Lori Saitz: He's; I didn't realize he was that close in age, but maybe.
• 22:45
  Lori Saitz: Anyway, yes.
• 22:46
  Lori Saitz: So he's already been through many experiences that would have put him in that mindset.
• 22:52
  Lori Saitz: But again, not everybody adopts it.
• 22:56
  Lori Saitz: It's available to everybody, but not everybody goes there.
• 23:00
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, but I think it has a lot to do with his wife Lauren, cuz Lauren is a massage therapist, and there's a lot of peace to her.
• 23:08
  Lori Saitz: Yeah,
• 23:08
  Carmen Hecox: And I know that she helped him through that healing.
• 23:11
  Carmen Hecox: That's kind of how they met.
• 23:13
  Carmen Hecox: And so I think also one, he practiced gratitude, but it was also he had a support system that helped him adopt that gratitude or maybe bring him back to gratitude.
• 23:24
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, he mentioned her too, so I'm pretty sure you're right.
• 23:27
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, and that's often how it is, too, though.
• 23:30
  Lori Saitz: Somebody in a relationship, whether it's a partner or a friend or somebody, brings this into somebody else's awareness.
• 23:39
  Lori Saitz: And so that's part of what I'm doing is bringing this into people's awareness of how can you be more grateful?
• 23:47
  Lori Saitz: And so one of the things that I teach my clients is this exercise called the, but I'm grateful for exercise, and I don't know where I picked it up, but everybody's attributing it to me now, so I'm cool with that.
• 24:00
  Lori Saitz: But, so here's what it is.
• 24:02
  Lori Saitz: Next time you catch yourself complaining or criticizing, and you will, cuz we're human.
• 24:07
  Lori Saitz: Like it's part of what we do.
• 24:10
  Lori Saitz: Don't beat yourself up for it.
• 24:11
  Lori Saitz: Just catch yourself and say, but I'm grateful for, but I'm grateful for.
• 24:15
  Lori Saitz: And it doesn't even have to be related to the thing that you're complaining about.
• 24:19
  Lori Saitz: Like, I'm stuck in traffic, I'm gonna be late.
• 24:21
  Lori Saitz: Ugh.
• 24:22
  Lori Saitz: Ah, but I'm grateful.
• 24:24
  Lori Saitz: I had a really good cup of tea this morning.
• 24:27
  Lori Saitz: Like it doesn't have to be, but I'm grateful I'll get there safely.
• 24:31
  Lori Saitz: It doesn't have to be related to the complaint.
• 24:33
  Lori Saitz: It's just a way of shifting your energy and your mind space.
• 24:38
  Carmen Hecox: Grateful for the little things cuz, like, you talked about all the little pebbles
• 24:44
  Lori Saitz: Mm-hmm.
• 24:45
  Carmen Hecox: stack up to the big rocks in that container analogy that you used.
• 24:50
  Lori Saitz: Yep, yeah, so, yeah, that's the gratitude piece
• 24:54
  Carmen Hecox: Perfect, and so then what comes next?
• 24:58
  Lori Saitz: The second pillar is that connection, and where we talk about connection to your family, your friends, your community.
• 25:06
  Lori Saitz: Most importantly, though, the connection to your inner voice, the connection to yourself and your inner voice and, creating a space to be able to hear it because we are so distracted by all these outer voices in.
• 25:24
  Lori Saitz: Again, same people you wanna be connected to, potentially family, friends, community, and then traditional media, social media, all of these outside influences telling you what to do, who you should be, what they want you to be.
• 25:39
  Lori Saitz: And you start losing connection to yourself, and that's where you most feel, oh yeah, everything's fine, but it's fine.
• 25:48
  Lori Saitz: But there's this undercurrent of suck, and you're kind of like, I don't know where that's coming from or what to do about it.
• 25:54
  Lori Saitz: It's coming primarily from the fact that you have not been listening to your own inner voice, and you, that can be called intuition.
• 26:01
  Lori Saitz: You can call it whatever you want, but it's about making space for it.
• 26:06
  Lori Saitz: And that requires some quiet time.
• 26:10
  Lori Saitz: And a lot of people are really uncomfortable with quiet time.
• 26:13
  Carmen Hecox: And so how does someone adopt quiet time into their life?
• 26:18
  Carmen Hecox: Because it is an eerie feeling to be quiet.
• 26:21
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 26:22
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, it's about being intentional, about making the time.
• 26:26
  Lori Saitz: And so, and it doesn't have to be necessarily like silent, silent time, cuz you know, I talk about meditation a lot, and I teach people, I create meditations and a lot of times I hear from people that one, oh, I tried meditation.
• 26:42
  Lori Saitz: I'm not good at it.
• 26:43
  Lori Saitz: I can't quiet the thoughts in my head.
• 26:45
  Lori Saitz: I can't make them stop.
• 26:46
  Lori Saitz: That is not required for meditation.
• 26:48
  Lori Saitz: So when we say getting quiet, it doesn't mean that all the thoughts are gonna just magically disappear from your head.
• 26:54
  Lori Saitz: Cuz not a lot of people can do that.
• 26:56
  Lori Saitz: So even good, even people who've been meditating for years, thoughts are gonna come and go.
• 27:01
  Lori Saitz: That's part of why it's called a practice, and it's part of the practice.
• 27:06
  Lori Saitz: Oh, a thought it's coming through my head.
• 27:09
  Lori Saitz: I see it.
• 27:09
  Lori Saitz: I'm gonna just let it go, or I'm gonna follow it, and then I'm gonna come back to my breath, or I'm gonna come back to the sound of the meditation teacher's voice or the sound of the music that, the meditation music I'm listening to, which they're all valid ways of doing a meditation.
• 27:26
  Lori Saitz: You know, again, people think that meditation is sitting on a mat cross-legged for an hour at a time in an ashram setting and just sitting still and not thinking about anything.
• 27:41
  Lori Saitz: And yeah, that's a form of meditation, but there are so many others, and it's a matter of finding what works for you.
• 27:50
  Lori Saitz: Just like everybody has their favorite type of coffee or their favorite type of tea, find what works for you.
• 27:58
  Lori Saitz: And so I help clients do that.
• 28:00
  Lori Saitz: Like, figure out what is it?
• 28:01
  Lori Saitz: Is it?
• 28:01
  Lori Saitz: Maybe it's walking in nature.
• 28:05
  Lori Saitz: And without your electronics.
• 28:07
  Lori Saitz: Okay, so again, that's a like distracting thing.
• 28:09
  Lori Saitz: Can you put your phone down for five or 10 minutes and sit and listen to, like, there's an app I love, it's called Insight Timer, and it's free you can download it.
• 28:23
  Lori Saitz: Hundreds of thousands of meditations, so you can find guided or just music or bells or whatever you wanna listen to.
• 28:32
  Lori Saitz: Or you can not take your phone, and you can just go walk in nature.
• 28:36
  Lori Saitz: What if you live in an urban area?
• 28:38
  Lori Saitz: Just go out and walk and pay attention to the sounds that you're hearing.
• 28:42
  Lori Saitz: Like it's about getting in touch with your senses and allowing things to come in and go out.
• 28:48
  Lori Saitz: So it's not completely clearing your mind, but.
• 28:52
  Lori Saitz: You're creating a pathway.
• 28:53
  Lori Saitz: You know Wayne Dyer, I love this quote; Wayne Dyer had a had said that prayer is us talking to God, and intuition is God talking to us.
• 29:05
  Carmen Hecox: I believe in that.
• 29:07
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, the only way you really hear that intuition or those messages or whatever is to allow yourself the space.
• 29:16
  Lori Saitz: To not always be plugged in, to not always be in front of Netflix, to not always be running from one thing to another.
• 29:24
  Carmen Hecox: And you know what, and I think some people also may be reluctant to do this because they feel that doing this disconnects them from their higher power or their belief system.
• 29:37
  Lori Saitz: Hmm.
• 29:37
  Carmen Hecox: You know, meditating or anything.
• 29:38
  Carmen Hecox: Cuz they're like, oh no, it's against my religion or something.
• 29:41
  Carmen Hecox: But this is the way I perceive it.
• 29:43
  Carmen Hecox: I perceive it as, like you said, Wayne Dyer said that, when you're quiet yourself, you can hear messages.
• 29:49
  Carmen Hecox: Either whatever your belief system be, whether your intuition, whether getting into that particular part of your brain that we don't use, or whether it's God saying, this is what you do next.
• 30:01
  Lori Saitz: Mm-hmm.
• 30:02
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, and it doesn't really matter what that is like.
• 30:07
  Lori Saitz: Like, is it God talking to me?
• 30:09
  Lori Saitz: Is it my own voice talking to me?
• 30:11
  Lori Saitz: You know, where's this message coming from?
• 30:14
  Lori Saitz: I don't think it matters.
• 30:15
  Lori Saitz: The fact is you're getting a message, and whether you think you're making it up in your head or it's coming from God, or you're higher power, or the universe, whatever you want, whatever term you'd like to use, it doesn't matter.
• 30:28
  Lori Saitz: I believe it's all the same source.
• 30:30
  Lori Saitz: And as far as against your religion, every religion believes that we have a higher power.
• 30:37
  Lori Saitz: How do we connect with that higher power?
• 30:41
  Lori Saitz: In many religions, it's through prayer.
• 30:44
  Lori Saitz: How does a higher power connect with you?
• 30:46
  Lori Saitz: It's about getting quiet like we just said.
• 30:49
  Lori Saitz: I don't see meditation in opposition to religion in any way.
• 30:54
  Lori Saitz: I think many, most religions have some form of meditation.
• 30:59
  Lori Saitz: Whether they call it that or not is different, but it exists.
• 31:04
  Lori Saitz: Why do you have the Sabbath in many religions and it's a day, traditionally it's a day to rest, put away your phones, pay attention to your community, to your family, to your God.
• 31:18
  Lori Saitz: And so meditation is just a form of being able to do that on a daily basis.
• 31:23
  Carmen Hecox: And I think it's sort of, I don't practice meditation.
• 31:25
  Carmen Hecox: I.
• 31:26
  Carmen Hecox: I feel like I do need to, but I think it's sort of like, kinda like taking a shower.
• 31:30
  Carmen Hecox: It's, it's cleansing, it's refreshing, you know if you do it.
• 31:35
  Carmen Hecox: I think that we may realize that a lot of the unknown or a lot of the things that we're seeking answers for, we have them, but we just haven't quieted ourselves down to be able to listen to our own self or whatever your belief is that gives you the answers that you're seeking.
• 31:55
  Lori Saitz: Absolutely, a hundred percent agree with that.
• 31:57
  Lori Saitz: So you said you're not good at meditation, or you should; you feel like you should be practicing it.
• 32:02
  Lori Saitz: Why do you say that?
• 32:03
  Carmen Hecox: Well, because I, okay, I'll admit it.
• 32:07
  Carmen Hecox: I have adult ADD, Adult Attention Deficit Disorder.
• 32:13
  Carmen Hecox: And so, I constantly have things running in my head.
• 32:18
  Carmen Hecox: It's hard for me to get quiet because, for example, if when I go to bed, sometimes I get woken up because the things just wake me up because thing, it's always busy.
• 32:31
  Lori Saitz: Mm-hmm.
• 32:31
  Carmen Hecox: And so the only way for me to be able to quiet down is I need to take my medication.
• 32:37
  Carmen Hecox: I take medication for my ADD, and so when I'm on my medication, it just allows me to be able to focus on one thing at a time.
• 32:47
  Carmen Hecox: And so, when I try to quiet myself from all interruptions, whether it's the internet, the tv, everything, I feel like there's more thoughts racing in my head as opposed to when I've heard of meditation, it's just kind of like a brain dump, quiet.
• 33:03
  Carmen Hecox: And so if a thought pops up, you're supposed, no, no, no, no, no, this is my meditation time.
• 33:07
  Carmen Hecox: You know, push it, push it away, because this is supposed to be my quiet zen time.
• 33:13
  Lori Saitz: That's the biggest myth around meditation or misconception or both, is that that's not necessarily true that.
• 33:23
  Lori Saitz: You have to shove the thoughts away.
• 33:24
  Lori Saitz: You can allow them to float through.
• 33:26
  Lori Saitz: You don't have to do it in silence, either.
• 33:28
  Lori Saitz: This is why I love guided meditations, because the guide, the voice, the meditation teacher's voice, you could be paying attention to that.
• 33:36
  Lori Saitz: So you're still doing something, but you're not being bombarded with all the thoughts and the thoughts.
• 33:42
  Lori Saitz: Again, they'll still come and go, but part of what makes you more focused when you're out of a meditation, when you're doing something, trying to be productive, is that practice of catching the thoughts.
• 33:54
  Lori Saitz: When you're in a meditative, you're doing a whatever, guided meditation, whatever, and the thoughts are coming in, and you're going, oh yeah, I see that thought.
• 34:02
  Lori Saitz: Oh, I'm gonna come back to the meditation teacher's voice.
• 34:06
  Lori Saitz: I'm gonna come back to thinking about my breathing, focusing on the breath, coming in and going out.
• 34:12
  Lori Saitz: Every time a thought comes, and it could be every three seconds, but every time, and you refocus yourself to what you would prefer to be paying attention to, and you refocus, and you refocus.
• 34:22
  Lori Saitz: When you're out of a meditation, and you're trying to work on something, you have now trained your brain to keep refocusing back on what you're working on, and it makes you more productive.
• 34:34
  Carmen Hecox: Okay.
• 34:34
  Carmen Hecox: Because I mean, like I said, when I feel like I am getting the most thoughts is when I'm in the shower.
• 34:39
  Carmen Hecox: And so I told my husband, when we first got married, we've been married almost 12 years.
• 34:44
  Carmen Hecox: I said, you know what I want?
• 34:45
  Carmen Hecox: I want a fountain.
• 34:47
  Carmen Hecox: I want a fountain.
• 34:48
  Carmen Hecox: Because there's so much peace in that water.
• 34:52
  Carmen Hecox: Because I get thoughts when I hear water, and I feel like I'm robbing myself because I can only get those thoughts in the shower, and I'm in California; we're supposed to conserve water.
• 35:01
  Carmen Hecox: And so I said, so you buy me a fountain so that when I feel stressed, I can just go outside and listen to my fountain because I just feel like, like just like my shoulders are up here and go outside and I listen to the fountain, and all of a sudden it just, I just, they just, they drop and I can come back inside and face whatever it was that had my shoulders up against my ears,
• 35:24
  Lori Saitz: Okay, so do you not consider that a form of meditation?
• 35:27
  Carmen Hecox: I guess I never did.
• 35:29
  Lori Saitz: Well, look at that.
• 35:30
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah.
• 35:30
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 35:31
  Lori Saitz: Have you ever tried breathwork?
• 35:33
  Carmen Hecox: I have a Samsung watch, no, I'm not promoting for Samsung, but I do have a Samsung watch, and there is a stress app on it.
• 35:41
  Carmen Hecox: And so this week, what I've been doing is measuring my stress level.
• 35:46
  Carmen Hecox: And what I noticed is, cuz I was kind of displeased earlier this week, cuz I saw that I was in the yellow cuz it's got green, yellow, red.
• 35:54
  Carmen Hecox: And I was in the yellow, and I'm like, I am not stressed out.
• 35:58
  Carmen Hecox: What should I be stressed out about?
• 35:59
  Carmen Hecox: I'm not stressed out.
• 36:02
  Carmen Hecox: And what I noticed is because I was preparing for I knew what I was going to meet with you and we were gonna talk about, and so I thought I'm gonna do some breath work.
• 36:10
  Carmen Hecox: And so I started focusing on my breath while I'm running the app on my watch, and I notice that if I don't look at it and I focus on my breath when I look at the results, I'm in the green.
• 36:22
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 36:22
  Carmen Hecox: But when I'm looking at it and just like kind of sitting there, just waiting for it to finish, measuring my stress, I'm within yellow and red, and it comes out to where I'm in the orange.
• 36:32
  Carmen Hecox: And so I noticed that the breath work focusing on my breath keeps me in the green, and so I thought, you know what?
• 36:37
  Carmen Hecox: I need to put this on my calendar to take a little timeout and do some breathwork.
• 36:43
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 36:44
  Lori Saitz: When you're focusing on your breathing, even for just three minutes, three minutes can have a big impact on your whole physiology, your mental and physical, how your body is working.
• 36:55
  Lori Saitz: You're oxygenating your brain and your blood system, and everything is getting calmed down.
• 37:00
  Lori Saitz: Your nervous system is just like, okay, all right, calm down.
• 37:03
  Lori Saitz: It's all good in just three minutes cuz that's another thing I hear a lot of times is, well, I don't have time to meditate cuz you people think it, you need to do it for an hour a day or longer and you don't even three minutes.
• 37:15
  Lori Saitz: I mean, you know, five minutes, 10 minutes, 20 minutes is better, but you're still gonna get results.
• 37:20
  Lori Saitz: I mean, come on, who doesn't have three, three minutes a day for yourself?
• 37:24
  Carmen Hecox: That's nothing.
• 37:25
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 37:26
  Lori Saitz: And yeah, there are other, and there's so many good, really good breathwork programs now, especially, which I like recommending for people who do have trouble getting quiet, who maybe have been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD.
• 37:43
  Lori Saitz: Breathwork is a more active way of just clearing your whole system.
• 37:47
  Lori Saitz: I interviewed this guy; he's actually, uh, we've become friends.
• 37:51
  Lori Saitz: He's his name is Leland Holgate, and he was episode 85 on my podcast, and he talks about how he has a breathwork program that he's developed, but he talks about, he talks about how breathwork healed, physically healed him, first physically healed him.
• 38:07
  Lori Saitz: He was in a boating accident, and he was quadriplegic.
• 38:10
  Lori Saitz: Doctors told him he needed to deal with it, learn how to manage, and his physical therapist, that was assigned to him in the military, was a yogi.
• 38:19
  Lori Saitz: And yoga is more about the breath than the postures.
• 38:22
  Lori Saitz: It's both, but it's much more about the breath.
• 38:24
  Lori Saitz: Two years later, he was fully functional because of breathwork.
• 38:29
  Carmen Hecox: Amazing.
• 38:30
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, and so now he's developed his own program.
• 38:33
  Lori Saitz: And you don't have to be a quadriplegic to use it.
• 38:36
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, and I've been thinking about this cuz I interviewed another lady named Karen Church, who is a wellness coach.
• 38:43
  Carmen Hecox: And she just talked about how food, eating the proper foods, heals your body.
• 38:47
  Carmen Hecox: And so I, as I've been thinking about the interview I had with her, And then I thought, you know what?
• 38:52
  Carmen Hecox: Before medicine.
• 38:53
  Lori Saitz: Yep.
• 38:53
  Carmen Hecox: Our bodies, you know, our ancestors, their bodies healed themselves in whatever it was.
• 39:00
  Carmen Hecox: And so our bodies are an amazing science because it can heal you as long as you use it the way it's supposed to be used.
• 39:08
  Carmen Hecox: Breathwork, breathwork reduces your stress.
• 39:11
  Carmen Hecox: You know, eating the proper foods heals certain organs or helps, like the filter function properly, and you start to feel better.
• 39:20
  Lori Saitz: Right, right.
• 39:21
  Lori Saitz: And when you put yourself in the right environment, I mean all of these things are factors.
• 39:27
  Lori Saitz: And when I say the right environment, like people put yourself around, people who think bigger thoughts who are more positive and not, you know, always woe is me, the Eeyores of the world when you hang out with people who think more joyfully, you become like them, and it's good for your, not only good for your mental health, it's good for your physical health.
• 39:48
  Carmen Hecox: It's a community an inspiring community that you can lean on because maybe today I don't feel good, but I could say, Hey, Lori, let's chat.
• 39:57
  Carmen Hecox: And then you're talking about all this good stuff, and because you and I have spoken and you've given me all this good stuff that's happened, your positive energy.
• 40:05
  Carmen Hecox: At least in my thoughts would come to me, and all of a,sudden I'm feeling good again, even though I had a situation that didn't make me feel good, but you're part of my community, and so it's become infectious.
• 40:19
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, absolutely.
• 40:20
  Lori Saitz: That's how energy works, and Yeah.
• 40:23
  Lori Saitz: I was gonna say something, but I don't wanna get all controversial about energy and infection.
• 40:28
  Lori Saitz: But that is how it works.
• 40:29
  Lori Saitz: Energy is transmitted, and it's very strong when you're physically in somebody's space; it's like when you walk into a room, and you can just feel like something's off here.
• 40:39
  Lori Saitz: Or it feels really good; you can feel it even when you're not physically present.
• 40:43
  Lori Saitz: When you're on a Zoom screen.
• 40:45
  Lori Saitz: When you're talking to somebody on the phone, and you're not physically in their space, you can still feel energy does not require physical proximity.
• 40:53
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, or if somebody comes to me and they're like, this is bad, this is bad, this is bad.
• 40:57
  Carmen Hecox: Because they're around people that have that negative energy.
• 41:00
  Carmen Hecox: What I always tell them is I say, Hey, you know what?
• 41:03
  Carmen Hecox: Go on Netflix or whatever platform you have and find the most dumbest movie out there.
• 41:09
  Carmen Hecox: I mean, slapstick funny, dumb, because you need to laugh, and you can't surround yourself with the people that you need to be around.
• 41:15
  Carmen Hecox: So put it on the TV.
• 41:17
  Carmen Hecox: I mean, that's always medicine.
• 41:19
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, well, remember back in the day, there was a guy named Norman Cousins, and he, what was his book?
• 41:26
  Lori Saitz: He had the Anatomy of Illness, but he had something that was about, uh, laughing, like how laughter was the best medicine something.
• 41:35
  Lori Saitz: Something to that effect.
• 41:37
  Lori Saitz: But yeah, it's, um, and it's true.
• 41:40
  Lori Saitz: It changes your physiology.
• 41:42
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah.
• 41:43
  Carmen Hecox: And that's why the entertainments community does make these stupid movies because we need them.
• 41:48
  Carmen Hecox: Cuz,sometimes we just need to laugh, and it needs to be something that is just going to guarantee a laugh.
• 41:54
  Lori Saitz: Right, yeah.
• 41:56
  Carmen Hecox: So you have two programs.
• 41:57
  Carmen Hecox: You have F Being Fine and Custom Meditation.
• 42:01
  Lori Saitz: I do create custom meditations, customized gratitude meditations.
• 42:07
  Lori Saitz: So the way these work is that I have my clients fill out a form, and it asks a whole bunch of questions, but.
• 42:15
  Lori Saitz: The main piece of what I'm getting at is what has happened in the past that you're grateful for?
• 42:20
  Lori Saitz: What do you currently have in your life that you're grateful for?
• 42:23
  Lori Saitz: And what are you manifesting, or what goals are you looking to achieve?
• 42:30
  Lori Saitz: And then, I put together the meditation.
• 42:32
  Lori Saitz: I put healing frequency music underneath the guided part.
• 42:36
  Lori Saitz: And I'm taking people through feeling gratitude because we can be grateful.
• 42:41
  Lori Saitz: Like we can go through the motions and say, Yeah, I'm grateful for my family.
• 42:45
  Lori Saitz: I'm grateful I have a warm bed to sleep in.
• 42:48
  Lori Saitz: You just like go through it but without any real emotion or feeling attached to it.
• 42:54
  Lori Saitz: Okay, that's better than not acknowledging.
• 42:56
  Lori Saitz: At the same time, the feeling is what magnetizes is what like really elevates your energy.
• 43:05
  Lori Saitz: So I take people through feeling, remembering what it felt like to have those things in the past, those experiences or those physical things, whatever it is.
• 43:15
  Lori Saitz: And then, what does it feel like to have them right now?
• 43:17
  Lori Saitz: What do you, what you have in your life that you're, what can you feel grateful for?
• 43:22
  Lori Saitz: And sometimes people are like, but I don't know what gratitude feels like.
• 43:25
  Lori Saitz: I'll tell you what gratitude feels like.
• 43:27
  Lori Saitz: Feels like joy.
• 43:29
  Lori Saitz: Most people know what that feels like.
• 43:31
  Lori Saitz: So it's the same.
• 43:33
  Lori Saitz: Feel it right now, what you feel, and then let's apply that same feeling to what you are manifesting.
• 43:40
  Lori Saitz: So a lot of people have trouble.
• 43:42
  Lori Saitz: How do I feel gratitude for something that hasn't come?
• 43:45
  Lori Saitz: I don't have yet.
• 43:47
  Lori Saitz: It's that feeling gratitude for it, as if you already have it, that magnetizes it, that makes it come to you faster.
• 43:56
  Lori Saitz: It's that feeling.
• 43:58
  Lori Saitz: That sounds kind of crazy.
• 43:59
  Lori Saitz: And again, there's science behind how this works.
• 44:02
  Lori Saitz: It is not made up magic.
• 44:04
  Carmen Hecox: So that's your customized meditation.
• 44:07
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, The Customized Gratitude Meditations.
• 44:10
  Lori Saitz: Um, and then I also have recently I mentioned the networking program.
• 44:15
  Lori Saitz: So now that everybody's back out at events and stuff again, I revised and re-released the networking program, so that starts with a book and that's also available on my website called How to Feel Comfortable, Confident, and Courageous at Networking Events.
• 44:30
  Carmen Hecox: And I think a lot of us need that, especially because we've been kind of locked up for, what was it, almost, depending on what part of the country three years, I'm in California, we're barely now going out and taking off our mask, and some people are still kind of scared.
• 44:45
  Carmen Hecox: And so I think that's important, your program.
• 44:47
  Lori Saitz: Right.
• 44:48
  Lori Saitz: So yeah,$7 book available on the website.
• 44:51
  Lori Saitz: Under the networking tab.
• 44:53
  Lori Saitz: Yeah.
• 44:54
  Lori Saitz: It is.
• 44:55
  Carmen Hecox: There's so much value in a low ticket item.
• 45:00
  Lori Saitz: Uhhuh.
• 45:01
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah,
• 45:01
  Lori Saitz: Yeah, so that's where, yeah, ZenRabbit.com is my website.
• 45:07
  Lori Saitz: That's where people can find me, find all the things.
• 45:11
  Lori Saitz: I also have a free PDF download, The Five Easy Ways to Start Living a Sabbatical Life.
• 45:18
  Carmen Hecox: And you would know cuz you just did it.
• 45:20
  Lori Saitz: Yep.
• 45:21
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, any future projects coming up?
• 45:24
  Lori Saitz: I always have future projects going on.
• 45:26
  Lori Saitz: Um, I've got a program coming out very soon, like next week, maybe.
• 45:30
  Lori Saitz: It's called Staying Calm in Chaos.
• 45:33
  Lori Saitz: It's an audio program, so it's not a, it's not a like group, it's a do it on your own.
• 45:39
  Carmen Hecox: All right.
• 45:40
  Carmen Hecox: Well, Lori, thank you so much for coming on the show.
• 45:43
  Carmen Hecox: I will make sure to include all of your links to all your programs and how people can find your podcast, how they can find you on the web, in my show notes,
• 45:53
  Lori Saitz: Awesome.
• 45:53
  Carmen Hecox: Thank you very much.
• 45:54
  Carmen Hecox: Don't you just love Lori's energy and smile?
• 45:58
  Carmen Hecox: This was an amazing interview.
• 46:00
  Carmen Hecox: Lori has so much wisdom and insights I think I'm gonna have to ask her to come back on the show.
• 46:07
  Carmen Hecox: I felt like a sponge just soaking up all her valuable information.
• 46:12
  Carmen Hecox: Lori's information, along with today's transcripts, can be found at createthebestme.com/ep022.
• 46:23
  Carmen Hecox: If you're interested in learning more about meditation or F Being Fine.
• 46:28
  Carmen Hecox: I strongly encourage you head on over to zenrabbit.com, and when you're done listening to this episode, why don't you head on over to Fine is a 4-Letter Word Podcast.
• 46:40
  Carmen Hecox: Lori publishes a new episode every Thursday, just like me.
• 46:45
  Carmen Hecox: Again, thank you, Lori, of Fine, is a 4-Letter Word Podcast and Zen Rabbit, for sharing your valuable teachings and insights with us.
• 46:54
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• 47:00
  Carmen Hecox: Join me next week when we'll dive into topics of relationship changes in midlife.
• 47:05
  Carmen Hecox: This episode is packed with actionable steps, so be sure not to miss it.
• 47:11
  Carmen Hecox: Until next time, keep dreaming big, take care of yourself, and remember, you are beautiful, strong, and capable of creating the best version of yourself.
• 47:22
  Carmen Hecox: Thank you for watching.
• 47:23
  Carmen Hecox: Catch you next time.
• 47:24
  Carmen Hecox: Bye for now.