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  Speaker 1: Peter Kranbland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. It's been dubbed a conference of division
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  Speaker 2: and hatred as Huperteria Islamic fundamentalist group prepares for its
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  Speaker 2: national conference. But where's Tony Burke on this? Not only
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  Speaker 2: as the Home Affairs Minister, but this conference is taking
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  Speaker 2: place in his own electorate. Another major intervention in the
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  Speaker 2: debate over Jenda medicine and children. The judge who led
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  Speaker 2: Australia's Family Caught Decision here when it green lit liberalized
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  Speaker 2: access to puberty blockers back in twenty thirteen is now
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  Speaker 2: revealing she's doubts about this landmark ruling. We'll cover that
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  Speaker 2: with The journalist who broke that story was Live to London.
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  Speaker 2: Head's role at the BBC of adoctored footage of the
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  Speaker 2: Trump speech about January sixth. So much for accountability and
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  Speaker 2: these public broadcasters integrity too. And I don't think the
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  Speaker 2: ABC's off the hook eitherum. And while we await a
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  Speaker 2: party room meeting the labor like liberals will, they're doing
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  Speaker 2: their hardest to keep us all on the path of
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  Speaker 2: energy badness as the more sensible types demand change. But
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  Speaker 2: you can't have a fat one in too, which this
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  Speaker 2: is the international standard.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, trying to pretend that you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: say two words is absolutely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: Ben we can agree to disagree, So there's nothing undisciplined
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  Speaker 4: about that.
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  Speaker 2: We should be simply walking away from the concept of
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  Speaker 2: NT zero and then talking about the rest of it
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  Speaker 2: after that. We will start with that issue. The Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Party's decision this week on whether a dun or to
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  Speaker 2: keep a commitment to net zero will quite literally be
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  Speaker 2: make or break. A new report from the Salvation Army
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  Speaker 2: says that after housing costs, power bills are now the
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  Speaker 2: biggest source of financial stress for struggling Australians and harghly
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  Speaker 2: a surprise given poll after Poles made it clear the
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  Speaker 2: cost of living is the number one, two and three
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  Speaker 2: issue for Australians, with concerns about climate change now absolutely
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  Speaker 2: down the list, especially as people understand more and more
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  Speaker 2: the climate action means pain for them without making a
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  Speaker 2: sceric of difference to global emissions anyway. It's this collision
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  Speaker 2: with the facts pain for households and planet futility that
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  Speaker 2: The Liberals need to resolve this week because they cannot
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  Speaker 2: be a credible alternative if their pitches. Just will do
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  Speaker 2: net zero. But we'll just do it better than Labor,
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  Speaker 2: because if they were smart, they would see dumping net
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  Speaker 2: zero as a massive political opportunity, which undeniably it is.
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  Speaker 2: Never forget the insanity that is Labour's energy policy. Labor
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  Speaker 2: is subsidizing renewables to drive their taker, but then it's
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  Speaker 2: got to subsidized consumers to avoid bill shock, and then
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  Speaker 2: it subsidizes coal five power stations to keep the lights on,
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  Speaker 2: and subsidizers industry so they don't go to the wall. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is madness, but the Coalition can hardly oppose it
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  Speaker 2: without also opposing the net zero straight jacket that's driving it.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, says climate crusader Chris Bow and endlessly repeats
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  Speaker 2: the sun and the wind. They don't send you a
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  Speaker 2: power bill, sure, but power companies do. They absolutely do.
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  Speaker 2: And those prices have gone up twenty four percent on
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  Speaker 2: average just the past year alone. Because the infrastructure to
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  Speaker 2: capture those renewables, well, that has to be paid for,
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  Speaker 2: so to the new transmission lines to get it from
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  Speaker 2: where it happens to be generated to where you need it.
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  Speaker 2: That has to be paid for, as well as the
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  Speaker 2: fermi needed to keep the lights on when we don't
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  Speaker 2: have wind, or at night when we haven't got the sun.
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  Speaker 2: That has to be paid for too. And if the
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  Speaker 2: Libs say they oppose labours twenty thirty and twenty thirty
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  Speaker 2: five emissions reduction targets, but then still support net zero,
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  Speaker 2: they'll have to explain how they'll make even harsher and
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  Speaker 2: deeper cuts later in the decade. And if the Libs
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  Speaker 2: say they opposed at zero by twenty fifty but still
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  Speaker 2: support it as an aspiration, we're gonna have to say
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  Speaker 2: how they're going to achieve that aspiration. Otherwise, what's the
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  Speaker 2: point of even having one over the weekend? So called
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  Speaker 2: moderate Libs so these are lefty Liberals, or they cranked
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  Speaker 2: up their fight to keep at least a watered down
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  Speaker 2: version of net zero in their official policy. Front bencher
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Bragg even threatened to resign if net zero went ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Now I know that he meant that as some sort
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  Speaker 2: of threat, but from where I tell you what, that's
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  Speaker 2: a bloody incentive. Brag and his type say the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: need net zero to win back to your seats. But
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  Speaker 2: for the past two elections they have had net zero.
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  Speaker 2: They have basically me to labor on all of this
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  Speaker 2: climbate madness, and yet they've ended up losing the greatest
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  Speaker 2: number of Liberal seats in history. They have done precisely
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  Speaker 2: what Bragg says they must do, and it's been a
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  Speaker 2: trade Wrenk, So explain to me how keeping it will
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  Speaker 2: save them? How will me toing labor help when me
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  Speaker 2: doing labor is a very reason they've had two catastrophic
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  Speaker 2: election losses. Honestly, what don't these people get now? They're
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  Speaker 2: working themselves into a lather over pulling out of Paris,
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  Speaker 2: with Bragg saying it would make Australia. He says, a
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  Speaker 2: pariah state.
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  Speaker 3: We have to be in Paris, and we can't be
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  Speaker 3: a prior state. I mean, we're better than Iran and Syria,
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  Speaker 3: and we're a serious country and the Australian people expect
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  Speaker 3: us to take emissions reduction seriously. They believe in climate change.
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  Speaker 3: We believe in climate change.
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  Speaker 2: So a prior state, what like America with energy about
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  Speaker 2: a third of the cost of Australia today. His fellow
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  Speaker 2: tier liberal Maria Coovicheck chimed in.
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  Speaker 5: So when I'm talking to people in Bradfield, in Benelong,
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  Speaker 5: in Wauringa, in Wentworth, in read in Hues, in Banks,
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  Speaker 5: they are telling me that they want to see credible
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  Speaker 5: action on climate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's where that good senator needs to do a
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  Speaker 2: bit of her homework and rather than just trot out
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  Speaker 2: those talking points from the liberal left, I suggest she
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  Speaker 2: picks up the Paris Agreement and actually reads it, because
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  Speaker 2: it's more than possible to dub net zero without leaving
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  Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement because Paris does not repeat this for her. Again,
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  Speaker 2: Paris does not even use the term net zero. What's more,
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  Speaker 2: it's a non binding document and only commits signatories to
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  Speaker 2: quote achieve a balance between anthropogenic commissions and removals by
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  Speaker 2: sinks of greenhouse gases in the second half of this century.
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  Speaker 2: The second half of this century. That's right. The target
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  Speaker 2: in the Paris Agreement is not net zero by twenty
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  Speaker 2: fifty at all. That is not there. What's in there
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  Speaker 2: is just an aim, an aim for carbon neutrality by
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  Speaker 2: twenty ninety nine. Now, the other thing Senator Covichek needs
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  Speaker 2: to know, given Stone in the Parliament, as liberal for
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  Speaker 2: about two minutes. Is that when we signed the Paris Agreement,
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  Speaker 2: the commitment Australia made was to cut emissions by between
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  Speaker 2: twenty six and twenty eight percent by twenty thirty, something
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  Speaker 2: we have already achieved some time back. And it was
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  Speaker 2: made on the basis that it could be achieved without
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  Speaker 2: new policy and without new spending. And I know this
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  Speaker 2: because I was there at the time that then Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister actually wrote on the Cabinet Minutes, so the Cabinet document,
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  Speaker 2: he wrote that Australia's accession to this international agreement was
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  Speaker 2: on the basis that other countries would make comparable emissions cuts.
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  Speaker 2: What almost none of them have done that. Honestly, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like the Liberal Party hasn't got the intellect shall
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  Speaker 2: grunt to wrestle their way out of a paper bag
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  Speaker 2: at the moment. Now, none of this should be as
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  Speaker 2: hard as some are trying to make it. For two elections,
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals have copied Labor on climate policy, and for
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  Speaker 2: two elections it has been a catastrophe. Look at the scoreboard.
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  Speaker 2: So how about your stop following labor and you might
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  Speaker 2: fight them instead. How about that fighting labor? Gee, that's
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  Speaker 2: a revelation. That's how John Howard and Tony have att
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  Speaker 2: won landslides. Who knows what actually worked for you? Again,
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  Speaker 2: what don't you get to lose anyway? Given the Liberal
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  Speaker 2: primary votes a dismal twenty four percent, and supporters are
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  Speaker 2: quitting the party in droves. I mean, here is the
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  Speaker 2: political reality for those two blind to see it. Labor
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  Speaker 2: is hurting, Labor is bleeding on cost of living. People
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  Speaker 2: are doing a tarf inflations on the march again. Wage
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  Speaker 2: growth is sluggish, productivity stagnant, immigrations out of control, making
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  Speaker 2: housing access more and more difficult, and labour want to
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  Speaker 2: make it even worse by going even harder on climate
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  Speaker 2: policy changing the cars are allowed to drive, heading agriculture,
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  Speaker 2: carpeting the land with solar panels and wind turbines, spending
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  Speaker 2: billions and billions bailing out companies they are making go
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  Speaker 2: bust with their power costs right now. The Liberals can't
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  Speaker 2: fight labor on any of this because they're joined at
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  Speaker 2: the hip with labor on net zero. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 2: if they were not? Imagine if they could take the
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  Speaker 2: gloves off and expose the whole net skier net zero
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  Speaker 2: scam For what It is the billions in subsidies to
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  Speaker 2: all these foreign players, the national parks and farmland under
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  Speaker 2: threat from renewables, the colossal waste of your money as taxpayers.
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  Speaker 2: It would only take a half competent opposition to beat
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen in a political contest over net zero, given
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  Speaker 2: the policy is a dog, and he's very obviously the
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  Speaker 2: government's weakest link. This is why Labour's trying so hard
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  Speaker 2: to bluff the Liberals into keeping net zero. Now, Labor
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  Speaker 2: are ruthless at many things, but they know their politics.
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  Speaker 2: They know how utterly vulnerable they are to a fairing
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  Speaker 2: can fight over net zero and its impact on cost
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  Speaker 2: of living. Now, if the Liberals were smart, If they
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  Speaker 2: were smart, that's the question is that if they were smart,
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  Speaker 2: they would go hard. But that's the issue. Does the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party have the ticker to take on labor and win?
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  Speaker 2: I hope I'm wrong when their own MPs wrongly think
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  Speaker 2: that the Paris Agreement binds us to net zero by
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifty. I tell you some days you've got to wonder. Right,
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  Speaker 2: let's look go to Cameron now for the headlines scynies
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  Speaker 2: political or what can Reddin?
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  Speaker 4: Good Evening? It's shaping as a consequential week for the
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  Speaker 4: Opposition leader Susan Lee as she attempts to unite her
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  Speaker 4: party on climate and net zero across three high stakes meetings.
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  Speaker 6: We have to demonstrate a commitment to reducing emissions because
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  Speaker 6: Australians have told us that's important to them.
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  Speaker 2: We should be simply walking away from the concept of
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  Speaker 2: nit zero and then talking about the rest of it
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  Speaker 2: after that.
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  Speaker 4: Liberal MPs will be locked in a meeting on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 4: where it's widely expected the party room will dump its
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  Speaker 4: commitment to net zero emissions by twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 2: From the backbench.
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  Speaker 4: We can agree to disagree, so there's nothing undisciplined about that.
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  Speaker 4: Today marks one month until the government's social media ban
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  Speaker 4: for under sixteens comes into effect.
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  Speaker 2: Our social media laws are not a cure, but they
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  Speaker 2: are a treatment plan.
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  Speaker 4: The Prime Minister also announcing a state funeral for labor
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  Speaker 4: legend and longtime Sky News contributor Graham rich O Richardson.
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  Speaker 7: Certainly if I can be there, I will be.
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  Speaker 4: There and paying tribute to Ray radio icon John Laws.
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  Speaker 7: People trusted John Laws, they listened to John Laws, and
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  Speaker 7: they engaged with John Laws.
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  Speaker 4: Tameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Jenny in our Sky's political contributor Chris Yullman,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get into net zero. Chris. I mean it is
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  Speaker 2: the topic of gajure and it has been for me
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  Speaker 2: many days in a moment, but let's step back and
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  Speaker 2: reflect what's been an extraordinary weekend with the deaths of
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  Speaker 2: two very big personalities from the intersecting worlds of politics
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  Speaker 2: and media. Former labor minister and powerbroker of course reference there,
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  Speaker 2: Graham Richardson and broadcast radio titan John Laws. You've been
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  Speaker 2: around politics a long time. Let's start with our colleague
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  Speaker 2: Graham Richardson the PM today confirming, of course he'll have
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  Speaker 2: a state funeral. I started in politics in nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 2: but I wasn't there when he was there. But I
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  Speaker 2: will remember that book. We all read it cover to cover,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it takes. That was the title of his autobiography
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  Speaker 2: and nineteen ninety four What's Your Reflections?
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  Speaker 8: Well perter, and I mean this in the very best
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  Speaker 8: possible sense of the word. He understood how to use power,
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  Speaker 8: and power is important because it's how you get things
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  Speaker 8: done in politics. The way that he exercised that well
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  Speaker 8: through his party. He used his power to get rid
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  Speaker 8: of Bill Hayden, which of course was bad for Bill Hayden,
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  Speaker 8: but he elevated Bob Hawk, which was very good for
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  Speaker 8: the rest of the country. He used that power again
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  Speaker 8: later to get rid of Bob Hawk in favor of
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  Speaker 8: Paul Keating and again that was a good political move
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  Speaker 8: for the Labor Party. He also used that power for policy.
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  Speaker 8: He was a good environmental ministry, he was a good
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  Speaker 8: health minister. So I think that he used power, not
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  Speaker 8: always in the very best sense of the term, but
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  Speaker 8: he understood how to exercise that power. He was doing
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  Speaker 8: it for the Labor Party, but he was also doing
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  Speaker 8: it for the country, and he understood the Australian electorate
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  Speaker 8: and the Australian people, which is why it also made
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  Speaker 8: him such a great commentator. So this is a huge
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  Speaker 8: loss for the country. And I don't think that we've
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  Speaker 8: seen politicians of the stature of Graham Richardson very often.
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  Speaker 2: And he had lots of loves in his life, but
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  Speaker 2: none more than his son Darcy. And we know that
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  Speaker 2: he'd always said to us at Sky and I know
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  Speaker 2: he said this publicly. He wanted to be around when
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  Speaker 2: Darcy to see him all the way through school, to
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  Speaker 2: get him through year twelve, and of course he only
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  Speaker 2: just finishes year twelve exams late last week.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's one of the great promises. It's kept
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  Speaker 8: by a father to a son, isn't it. You wonder
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  Speaker 8: if he was just hanging on for that very moment
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  Speaker 8: so that he could essentially fulfill that promise and bid
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  Speaker 8: farewell to his son. So yeah, it's a great loss.
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  Speaker 8: And he was not just a great politician, he was
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  Speaker 8: a great commentator for Sky.
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  Speaker 2: I will say, Darcy Richardson's one of the smartest kids
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  Speaker 2: I've ever met in my life, even at seven and
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  Speaker 2: eight is pretty precocious. So if it's anything like his
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  Speaker 2: father and he ends up in politics, we will sit
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  Speaker 2: back and watch and enjoy the ride. I think let's
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  Speaker 2: go to the other death, of course, the death of
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  Speaker 2: the talkback legend, John Laws. You know, when I started
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  Speaker 2: out in politics, I used to religiously listen away we
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  Speaker 2: all did, and you troll through the transcript because it
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  Speaker 2: would often set you know that the Laws sort of
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  Speaker 2: sparring interview of the day would often set the tone
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  Speaker 2: of Parliament, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 8: Chris absolutely and don't forget that he goes back to
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  Speaker 8: the genesis of talkback radio in Australia, so he has
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  Speaker 8: a history that goes all the way back to its roots.
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  Speaker 8: And this was an extraordinarily powerful tool, particularly in the
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  Speaker 8: nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties. Things have waned,
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  Speaker 8: of course a bit since then. But when John Laws spoke,
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  Speaker 8: people listened and governments listened. And I think no greater
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  Speaker 8: tribute was paid to him than by Paul Keating. Who
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  Speaker 8: got Paul Keating thought he needed to school John Laws
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  Speaker 8: in economics in order to have a conversation with the
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  Speaker 8: Australian people about complex political topics. And don't forget when
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  Speaker 8: he talked about Australia becoming a banana republic, and that
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  Speaker 8: was a warning that Keating was sent to Australia. Who
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  Speaker 8: did he tell? He told John Laws. So that tells
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  Speaker 8: you where John Laws sat in terms of where the
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  Speaker 8: Australian government saw him as important in the conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Spot on, spot on, let's go to the battle the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party. I think it's a battle for the soul
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  Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party. I made that point very much
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  Speaker 2: tonight and I am dismayed at the lack of policy
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  Speaker 2: now exhibited by a lot of politicians on the liberal
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  Speaker 2: side over the last couple of days, the things they
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  Speaker 2: do not understand about our power grid, about industry, but
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  Speaker 2: most importantly in the last couple of days, what they
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  Speaker 2: don't understand about the Paris Agreement to even commitments about
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  Speaker 2: net zero twenty fifty, when in fact Paris Agreement has
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  Speaker 2: nothing about net zero, as I said, and the target
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  Speaker 2: there is in the second half of the century. It's
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  Speaker 2: nothing about twenty to fifty. And it lives Chris and
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  Speaker 2: making a meal of this. And I think there's an opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: if they can get this monkey off their backs, to
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  Speaker 2: actually take the fight to labor, because I think things
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  Speaker 2: are going to get a lot worse for households in particular,
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  Speaker 2: not better. And we know that reports today that the rebates,
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  Speaker 2: sorry the power rebacks, could come off by the end
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  Speaker 2: of December. I mean that'll collide with all the costs
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  Speaker 2: we have over Christmas and potentially a hot summer and
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  Speaker 2: air condition design and.
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  Speaker 3: All of that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's bad for labor. But the Lips can't
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  Speaker 2: get out of their way to fight labor on this well.
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  Speaker 8: I think that the main thing. And I think you
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  Speaker 8: mentioned this a little bit earlier, as it presupposes that
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  Speaker 8: you need to have people who are capable of making
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  Speaker 8: an argument in order to win an argument. There's nothing
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  Speaker 8: around the Liberal Party that I can see at the
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  Speaker 8: moment can do that on any front to make the
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  Speaker 8: government pay for this. You're dead right about the Paris Agreement.
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  Speaker 8: The Paris Agreement does not mandate anything. It's voluntary. Now,
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  Speaker 8: of course, the Australian government did legislate it's forty three
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  Speaker 8: percent target and net zero, but there's nothing that would
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  Speaker 8: penalize you for not hitting net zero in twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 8: Look what our can co Peditan nations are doing. And
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  Speaker 8: China's got a twenty sixty target, India has got a
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  Speaker 8: twenty seventy target, and Russia's got a re really target.
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  Speaker 8: In the United States is not in this target race
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  Speaker 8: at all. And we have the Councilor of Parties, the
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  Speaker 8: big Jamboree meeting at the moment in Brazil. And what
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  Speaker 8: have we seen there, Well, only around about a little
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  Speaker 8: over one third of the countries in the United Nations
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  Speaker 8: there one hundred and ninety four of them have actually
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  Speaker 8: submitted they're twenty thirty five targets this is going off
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  Speaker 8: the boil. The vibe shift around the world is enormous
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  Speaker 8: at the moment.
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  Speaker 9: Now.
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  Speaker 8: I agree that it has not yet come to Australia.
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  Speaker 8: Things come slowly to the provinces. But things are shifting
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  Speaker 8: dramatically around the world. And if the Liberal Party is
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: incapable of making an argument about this, then it is
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: incapable of making an argument about anything. And your right
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: to point to the fact that very shortly the government
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: has to make a decision about what will happen to
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: that subsidies six point eight billion dollars worth of so
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: so far, one thing you can guarantee is that when
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: they come off, they come off, the price of electricity
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: will rise. Surely the Liberal Party can make something of that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Even on the ABC website, Chris, I saw a report
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: today about curtailment, about something we were discussing you in
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: our last week. After Labor made that announcement. Chris Bowen
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: made the announcement You're going to get free power, he says,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the day three hours we're seeing
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the retailers come out to say, well, it really won't
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: be free because we're going to have to charge you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: more later on in the day. We obviously know you
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: and I about what happened in Spain and the overload
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: of the grid making it vulnerable because of the spikes
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: of sola during the day, meaning they have to find
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: ways of using that power in the grid in the
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: middle of the day. We've been sold a pup by
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen. Do you think Australians are buying this free
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: power argument? Do you think they're waking up to the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: conjob that is a lot of the policy coming from
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: If retailers give away free power in the middle of
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: the day, then retailers will recoup that costs at the
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: end of the day. So all we'll see is the
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: prices shift around and we'll see retailers go to the
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: wall once again. Is a desperate act by a minister
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: who promised the Australian public two elections ago that the
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: price of electricity would come down by two hundred and
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: seventy five dollars on twenty twenty two prices by the
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: end of their first term. He now knows that they're
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: nowhere near that, that the retail price of electricity is
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: going to continue to climb. First of all, it will
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: be driven by wholesale prices because they do rise when
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: you put more renewables on the grid. Guess what, it's
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: not going down. The price is going up. Everything else
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: then rises. Transmission costs rise, distribution costs rise, green scheme
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: costs rise. There is only one way that electricity prices
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: are going to go in Australia, and once the other
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: thing that was promised it would be green. We now
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: know that there will be at least one point seven
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: times the size of Tasmania footprint on the mainland of
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: Australia for the wind and solar panels that need to
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: be rolled out as we move from dense sources of
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: power to distributed sources of power. This thing is hanging
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: out there for an opposition to make something of. Like
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: I say, if they are incapable of using all of
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: those arguments to get themselves into some kind of better
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: pradition position on this, then the problem is with the personnel,
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: not with the policy.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Let's go to your big documentary. A launches tomorrow night,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: obviously on the fiftieth anniversary of the Whitlam and dismissal.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Like a little bit of a teaser. My audiences have
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: a look.
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: Fifty years ago on these steps, an Australian political drama
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: reached its climax. It was the clash of three men,
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: each driven by power, conviction and ambition. Here the Governor
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: Jel's private secretary announced the premature end of a parliamentary term,
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: signaling that Sir John Kerr had taken the extraordinary step
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: of sacking a prime minister. Malcolm Fraser's gamble of cherking
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: off the government's money supply had paid off, and the
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: towering figure of.
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: Gough Whitlam had toppled, but would be immortalized as a
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: labor martyr.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Well fifty years on, Chris, have we got some revelations
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to bring us to Morownardy, You've been surprised by perhaps
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: our candid people have been with the passage of time. Yeah.
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: Look, I think that there's some great people in the package,
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: people who are remembering it because they were there at
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: the time. You also have the Governor General commenting on
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: how she believes you could never say never to it
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: happening again. All those things, it's highly unlikely. I think
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: one of the big surprises in it is just remembering
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: something which we knew at the time, and that is
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: that when Gough Whitlam is despatch John Kerr on that day,
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: he goes home to the lodge for lunch and does
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: not come back to Parliament and does not tell his
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: Senate team that the government has been dismissed. And so
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: when supply is passed, it's passed for the Fraser government
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: and not for the Whitlam government. Now that's something strategically
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: that's very difficult to get over. Even John Forkn, a
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: great friend of Got Whitlam, admits this is something that
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: really was one of the keys in Australian political history.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see Thank you, Chris, we'll see
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: it tomorrow. On a seven point thirty here on Sky News,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the dismissal, of course by Chris Yelman up the ray
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: concerns MAUN as Islamist fundamentalist group has been Terrea plans
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: to hold an upcoming conference in Sydney in Tony Burke's
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: own seat. Plas the former family called Chief Justice, who's
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: now expressing doubts over her Landmark Puberty Blocker ruling welcome back. Still,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the calm Wat's led to the change of heart from
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the judge who led the Family Court when it liberalized
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: access to puberty blockers for gender distressed children. But for
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: security experts and politicians have sounded the alarm on an
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: upcoming conference by Husbert Teria, said to be held in Sydney.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: The events flyer bills it as Islam the change the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: world desperately needs, going on to say that Gaza has
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: exposed the moral decay of the global order. Now, for
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: what it's worth, remembering, husband Teria is a prescribed terror
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: organization in the United Kingdom, but not so here in Australia.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Despite what the Home Affairs Boss, the ASO chief Mike
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Vergis said less than a week ago.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Hissbert Teria wants to test and stretch the boundaries of
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: legality without breaking them. As with neo Nazis, this does
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: not make their behavior acceptable. I fear it's anti Israel.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Retrie is feeling and normalizing wider anti Semitic narratives.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Joined me now to discuss genuine concerns about the conference.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Former AFP Detective Superintendent David Craig David, let's just help
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: people at home understand the purpose of these conferences, because
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it's not necessarily who is in the room present in
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: a geographic sense. Part of what they do with very
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: professional filming and cinematography is to use it as an
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: online recruitment tool. It will go widely in Australia, of course,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: but it'll go right around the world. They'll use it
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: to proselytize, They'll use the Internet to spread hate and
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: hopefully bring on particularly young people, particularly young boys, into
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: their cause. So give them what the AZO chief said
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: last week, just last week about Husberteria, how on earth
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: is this going ahead?
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: Well, Peter, if I had my way, wouldn't be going ahead.
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: I don't think any fair minded Australian would like that.
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: From a securities perspective, any event that provides a platform
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: to broadcast hate, and that's what Husberteria are doing, should
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: be banned. It should be stopped. But there were people
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: from the civil liberties groups and it will say there's
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: freedom of speech, But at what point do we draw
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: the line? These people working in the gray area between good,
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: honest Muslims and radicalized Muslims. They're targeting people to bring
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: them across to the radical side of Islamus thinking. And
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: while they say they don't support violence, they step back
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: from it. But we all know what goes on in
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: the sight of our conversations at these types of conferences.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know that. You know, they'll have a log
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: on process for people who want to watch it remotely,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and of course once they harvest these email addresses, they'll
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: be in constant contact with the people that join them,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: even if they're joining them just for a look. Is
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: that they'll be able to recruitment recruit them to their cause.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: What would you say to the argument that we might
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: hear from the Home Affairs Minister or others later on
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: this week that they don't have the legislative power to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: stop this conference, what would you say to that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: Look, while it may be technically true, at the point
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: of law, we need to look at the behavioral intent
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: of what our hate laws in New South Wales actually
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: stand for and what they're actually meant to capture. I
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: don't think the law is modern enough in that respect.
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: Like these groups that espouse this hatred, they're very adept
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: at changing their coded signs or messages or salutes or
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: what have you to avoid the legal technical terms. But
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: if we can capture the behavioral intent, and I'd say
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: that the behavioral intent of Husberteria is very clear. It's
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: to get like minded Muslims together and intivate them for
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: an Islamic caliphate, get rid of Israel, have global order
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: under sharia law. I mean, I think that's quite an
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: offensive thought. So it would be nice to be able
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: to see that stop. Given that it is in Tony
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: Burke's electric pair. I don't know what Tony doesn't actually
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: attend because his constituents. It's open to the public. You
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: can apply online. All he's going to do is give
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: his name and his phone number and email addressed. And
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: I'm sure Tony would be very welcome to go there,
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: and he should sit there and just see if he
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: finds this offensive or not. And if he didn't, I
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: would be very surprised.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I think sunlights are best disaffected David. I'd be setting
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: a cameracruiter accord the whole thing and broadcast it out
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: on television and hopefully that might get them to curtail
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: some of their hate relating to this. And this is
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: not funny in a humorous sense, but it's the weirdness
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: of this paradigm. It's where the hard left, the radical left,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: and the radical right, the hard left in this case
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: neo Nazi extremist. Sorry on the right, where the hard
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: left and the hard right sort of almost come together
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: in this shoehorn effect. You've got this rally outside of
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the New Southwest Parliament on Saturday. Chris Minn says we
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: need more stringent laws. The police did get an application,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the police did approve it. The Police Chief Commissioner was
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: out there today saying, oh, miscommunication, really miscommunication when you
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: look at that allowed to continue throughout the morning in Sydney. Again,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: this makes every Australian I think, very uncomfortable. And this
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: also is about getting their name, their brand, their website
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: out there. And again it's all very well filmed. I
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: could see they had camera crews there. This is designed
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: to go on the Internet as much as it is
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a designed to be witnessed by people walking past.
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right, Peter. It is ironic that it seems
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: in Australia we've got the foundations of two Nazi parties,
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: if you like, the Islamic Nazi Party and the Neo
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: Nazi Party. Now they don't like each other's ideologies, of course,
• 30:15
  Speaker 10: but they are using the same playbook. It's the same
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: mentality it's the same lack of tolerance, it's the same
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: total control. It's the eradicated the Jewish state. It's telling
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: people what to think and what they should do. And
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: this they think that they both groups think through a
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: form of violence, that they can purify the world into
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: their own form.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: So how did the police back on that infamous protest
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: down at the Cite Opera House days after just I
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: think twenty four hours after October seven? The police take
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: from a man an Israeli flag and they arrest him
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: at the time. They later release him without charge, but
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: they take him off the street when he was down
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: there in a very peaceful way holding up a flag
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: of a nation state that's lawful and democratic. Yet this
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: stuff goes on. It it looks like you know who'sbit
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Teria will have their conference in Bankstown and these black
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: clad individuals are standing outside the Parliament. How does that happens?
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: We really need to have a close look at this, Peter.
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: For sure, we all know the Opera House horses bolted
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: and New South Wales police dropped the ball big time
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: on that, and they took way too long to act
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: on it. They took a far too more of a
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: technical approach as to whether there was hate laws being
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: broken there. They needed to get on the front foot
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: with that a lot quicker. Similarly, if you see the
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: neo Nazis do that, then you see generally until recently,
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: the police take a very quick approach to that. What
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: we need to see is some equality in our intolerance
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: to their intolerance. We need to see the police prepared
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: to move forward and act on these events very quickly.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: You're not wrong. I've never forgotten my pregnant mum who
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: was arrested in pajamas in her lounge room because she'd
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: posted something about a COVID protest. So there you go, police,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: get your work cut out for you. There, Thank you, David.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: We'll leave it there. Let's go to another significant development
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: in the debate over puberty blockers and gender affirming care
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: when it comes to our children. The judge who led
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Australia's Family Called at the time where Greenlit liberalized access
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: to puberty blockers for gender distressed children. This was back
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. Well, she's now revealed over the weekend
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: that she has doubts about this landmark ruling. Former Family
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Court Chief Justice Diana Bryant says it may be better
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: for parliamentarians to regulate the field. She says, rather than
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: rely on disputes before the courts. In speaking to the Australian,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Justice Bryant said the evidence during the twenty thirteen trial
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that blockers were fully reversible and that they did not
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: have side effects, she said, does seem misleading and over
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: confident in hindsight, and she went on to say that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: things have absolutely moved on since twenty thirteen. Joining me
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: now the journalist who spoke with Dana Bryant, Journalists for
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Gender Clinic Use, Bernard Lane, Bernard Well, this is a
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: seismic development. Having spoken to Diana Bryant and the all
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: front page story in The Australian before we pull that apart,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: this about face from her, explain why this was such
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: a landmark ruling at the time.
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: Thanks Peter Well this particular case in twenty thirteen, it
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: paved the way for a big expansion in the supply
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: of puberty blockers. These drugs used to interrupt the normally
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: timed puberty of a child who has rejected his or
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: her birth sex. Prior to this ruling by Justice Bryant
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: and the other judges on the Full Court every time
• 34:12
  Speaker 11: there was a new proposal to treat a child with
• 34:14
  Speaker 11: puberty blockers, even if both parents agreed, it had to
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: go before the Court for an approval.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: What about the cast review and the bearing it had
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: on things in the United Kingdom And they've certainly recanted
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: their position, which is the position that Australia now holds.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: You know that it's widely available. In fact, gender affirming
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: care encourages children down this path. The rest of the world,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Burner seems to be having a rethink. Do you think
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: on the back of these comments from Justice Bryant, we
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: are going to get to the position that the rest
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: of the world is and say, hang on, if these
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: kids are confused and mixed up, how about we have
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: mental health interventions way before we go down the path
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: of these medical interventions.
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: Well, Peter, I think that Justice Bryan's rethink certainly will
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: make a lot of people question just how our system
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: has failed to respond to this international crisis.
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: Really, that's what it is.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: Our political system is fragmented between state and federal governments,
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: and we have an independent review almost wound up in
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: Queensland into puty blockers and cross ex hormones federally under
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: Mark Butler. He has asked the National Health and Medical
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: Research Council to develop a new treatment guideline. Where this
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: will all end up, I don't know, but I think
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: that Justice Bryant's revelations are part of a deepening and
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: a widening of the media coverage of this issue, which
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: in time, I think will push the political system to
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: do something thing to properly respond to these concerns.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I was really intrigued last week, Bernard, when there was
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: the case in Queensland of kindergartens asking parents to nominate
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the pronouns for their four and five year olds before
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: they started kindergarten. I was intrigued to look at the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: body that a lot of the education departments around the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: country sign up to ACON and I looked into a
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Coon's status on the Australian Charities Register and understood that
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: about seventy two percent of its money, and we're talking
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: about tens of millions of dollars is from government sources.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: You know, collbe acidic, but I always follow the money
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: in this stuff. That's also got to come out in
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the public domain and be discussed.
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: I think, Peter, that's right.
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: And this is part of a much wider institutional capture
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: by what you could call gender ideology, you know, the
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: set of ideas that enables this gender medicalization of young people.
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: AKON did have a role during the AIDS crisis, but
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: like many such bodies around the world, around the middle
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: of the you know, the twenty tens, it morphed into
• 37:17
  Speaker 11: effectively a transactivist organization. A similar thing happened with the
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: form of Victorian AIDS Council. It's happened in the US,
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: it's happened in the UK, and I think that our
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: political masters should be looking very carefully at.
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: What exactly they are funding.
• 37:36
  Speaker 11: These organizations operate in a sort of a gray zone
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: in between all sorts of institutions and the general public,
• 37:45
  Speaker 11: and they're promoting ideas which are very least controversial, in
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: some cases, I think, quite objectionable. And this has influenced
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: through the schools, It has influenced through universities, through hospitals,
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: through the health system. You know, it's very troubling. It's
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: also right through the public service.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I know you've been an advocate just for transparency
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and just shine a light on so much of what's
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: gone in this debate, and it was a very lonely
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: place when you started six or seven years ago, Bernard.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: But I feel like the weight of public opinion is
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: with you. We're all starting to understand. I think, particularly
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: after the cast review. The medical fraternity is also starting
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to speak up. So thank you for joining me tonight
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: after the breakheads role at the BBC over they doctored
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Trump video. So what will be that government's response. We've
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: got one from the public broadcaster. Where's the government on this?
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Welcome back? The BBC, under fire in the United Kingdom
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: for avery, adopted clip of Donald Trump's January sixth speech
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: during an episode of its very controversial Panorama program, which
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: was podcast not long before the twenty twenty four US election.
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: be there with you, and we fight. We fight like hell.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to walk down to the Capitol.
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  Speaker 11: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
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  Speaker 11: congressmen and women.
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  Speaker 2: Well, today the fallout, the BBC's director general has resigned,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: as well as the CEO of BBC News, in a
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  Speaker 2: decision that has been welcomed by the US President. Joined
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  Speaker 2: me now to discuss this. Political editor of The Independent,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: David Maddox. David, welcome to the program. Thank you. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: mean this is huge news. It's huge news obviously in
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: the United Kingdom and US, but here in Australia too,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: and it comes after The Telegraph published details of an
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: internal BBC report which highlighted exactly how that footage was
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: cut together to look as though the President was encouraging
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the January sixth riot. How significant has been the reaction
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: to these resignations today?
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  Speaker 12: Well, Hi, better, it's great to be on your show again.
• 40:14
  Speaker 12: I mean, this is this is really big. The BBC,
• 40:19
  Speaker 12: I think, has been on the ropes now for some
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: years and under Tim Davey Noah ex Director General's tenure,
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: it's you'll have been constant, constant questions about bias, particularly
• 40:34
  Speaker 12: from derrisa metropolitan left perspective, and you know this this
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: was in some ways the straw which broke the camel's
• 40:44
  Speaker 12: back and he had to go, as did the chief
• 40:47
  Speaker 12: executive of News as well. It was it's quite shocking
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: and unfortunately for them an internal memo kind of had
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: them banged to rights.
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  Speaker 2: What about the government here, what's the forll out for
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: the government? Given them. You know, public broadcast is like
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that in Australia have significant heft, and you know, they
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: hold themselves out to be the custodians of you know,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: sound and factual information. In this case, have they been
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: shown to be to be anything but well, I mean, you.
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: Know, one of the great lies in public life is
• 41:27
  Speaker 12: BBC impartiality or neutrality or you know, generally broadcast impartiality.
• 41:32
  Speaker 12: In this country, you know, they're not impartial. And frankly,
• 41:38
  Speaker 12: the DBC is probably in more danger now than it
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: has ever been as surviving as a kind of taxpayer
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: funded institution in the world where people don't want to
• 41:50
  Speaker 12: watch that sort of thing anymore. The government, they're lucky
• 41:54
  Speaker 12: in that they've got a government that loves for BBC
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: and loves state run entities in the Labor Party at
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: the moment, but they're going to be struggling to defend
• 42:06
  Speaker 12: whom They've been noticeably quiet overnight and this morning it's
• 42:11
  Speaker 12: you know, very much, we can't get involved, we can't interfere,
• 42:15
  Speaker 12: but it's you know, this isn't going to going away,
• 42:19
  Speaker 12: and today's is it's really a big political story of
• 42:22
  Speaker 12: the day.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go if Prince Andrew's not going away.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: US Congress want to see him. There's talk that if
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: he's charged, obviously he can end up in jail. He
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: seems to be the gift that keeps giving for Republicans.
• 42:38
  Speaker 12: He really is. But I think the King has acted
• 42:41
  Speaker 12: quickly and strongly enough to separate him to cause much
• 42:46
  Speaker 12: more systemic damage to the royal family.
• 42:48
  Speaker 10: Fortunately.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: All right, well, we don't think we'll see him over
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Christmas Alfa anytime suit in the future. Thank you, David,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you, all right, quick break, joining me after the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: break one day National Executive Member Lee Hanson and Nicata.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: As I said to my panel's joining me now one
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: nation National Executive Member Lee Hanson and our Monday regular
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Menzi's Research Center senior fellow Nick Cata, Welcome to you both.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: A cracker of the piece from you today. Nick in
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: the Australia making the very important point that even in
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: the cheapest power countries, renewables are subsidized, and that's been
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: the mainstay here in Australia. There's all this discussion today
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: that come December, the power subsidies propping up prices which
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: are already high. Anyway, that will go and the Libs, though,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: anguishing about whether they should drop this beast of a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: policy and start taking labor on over cost of living.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I think that's not even a question that's worth debating.
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: No, Well, I just can't wait till next week, Peter,
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: when hopefully they'll have dumped this net zero commitment and
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: can get on with attacking labor, which they haven't really
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: done for six years, really since twenty nineteen, and they
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: need to because there's so much that needs to be
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: highlighted about Labour's policy at the moment. Number one, the
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: cost and the fact that there are subsidies going in
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: there in order to keep investors coming in to invest,
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: and that will continue adding for Nitum, there's no sign
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: there will ever go away because as you say, even
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: in India, where the price of putting in solar and
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: wind is very low, there are still subsidies. That's number one,
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: the costs, and number two, as you pointed out of
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: the weekend, the reliability issue. You know, we are only
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: one hot day away from a serious crash or as
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: the AEMO likes to call it, unserved energy use. That's
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: what they call a blackout, and they say the chances
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: of that over the next two years are pretty high.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I understand, Leene. You know you know politics. You've
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: grown up with it yourself. The Libs are out there
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: saying we can't drop net zero. We absolutely need it
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: to win seats. We need it to win in particular
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: back the tier seats in the inner city capital cities.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: But they've had net zero for the last two elections.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: They've never had worse results other than the last two elections.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: If you want an example of what zero does to
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: your party, it decimates you to the point that they
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: are at a twenty four percent primary vote. There's clowns
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: in the party say keep it up, we want more
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: of the same.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: Correct, you're spot on, and why because there's no real
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: distinction these days between the Liberal Party and the Labor Party.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: People want difference. People want to know what.
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: They stand for, and it's not clear. People are unclear
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: of what the Liberal Party actually stand for. They're too
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: busy sitting on the fence being moderates, waiting for the
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: polls to tell them what they think they should do
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: in order to win votes, rather than having conviction, rather
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: than having a strong stance and debating the issues to
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: ensure that real outcomes and better outcomes happen through parliament,
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: and this is why we're seeing the rise of the
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: polls now. Honestly, sure Liberal Party are going to have
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: the debate this week. Should they scrap next zero? I
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: don't think they will. Personally, I cannot see it happening.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: They might drop the term, but are they really going
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: to exit the Paris Agreement.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: They won't.
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: Of course they're not going to.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: They're too moderate.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: One Nation is still the only party that is saying,
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: let's get out of Paris Agreement. Let's reduce the cost
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: of living, save our businesses, save our smelters, our jobs,
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: our farmers and the bush.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Nikk Are you surprised to read this morning that the
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Warunduri people of Melbourne have put in a native titled
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: claim over most of the area of greater Melbourne. So,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: for all the chances and purposes, what we know is
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: the cap city of Melbourne, all the way out to
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: the outer suburbs now is subject to a native title claim.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: I'm not surprised because this has become a money making
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: venture for several aboriginal groups around the country. They simply
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: put a claim over something and then affect the substance.
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: Money from the developers or whoever in order to allow
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: x or Y to go ahead. It's a total corruption
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: of the land rights legislation, the intent of this It
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: needs desperately to be revised. I'm not confident that Labor
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: has the spirit to do it. Justiner Price would have
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: done it if the coalition had got in. Another reason
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: why we need to lament the importing results in the
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: May election.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, Lee. I mean, we said this story that
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I've been running last week about four year old kids
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: asked for their gender pronouns heading in to kinder in Queensland.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: We had stories on the weekend about men biological men
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: being given hormones so that they can induce lactation so
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: that they can breastfeed children because of trans ideology. You
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: think we've gone mad, wouldn't you. I hadn't heard of
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: that one before, Peter. That's just ludicrous.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: I'm really struggling to understand. I feel like we're the
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: world's going mad. And pronouns for four and five year
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: olds in kindergarten, I mean my own children. Then it's
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: too much for little children, it's confusing them. Let them
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: be children, and trying to introduce pronouns. There's nothing but
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: trying to introduce transgender ideology from such a young age.
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: You know, I've experienced it myself with the sex education
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: going through primary schools. Kids do not need this dick
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: to factual biological information and gender male and female.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: Why are we complicating it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: It's just causing damage and harm. Why are we Indeed,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Thank you both, Thank you. That's
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: it for me. See you tomorrow night. Here's Andrew