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Bear & Balanced: Do you beleive in the Chicago Bears? · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_01]: What the bare bells I believe are live here as you can tell I am not JB he is he is out this week He is he's tied up with some other stuff personal things So so I'm on a point card today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Lester workfong and on the other side of the screen where I usually am Taylor dial host of making a monster is if you live in the Jacksonville area you can hear her on 1010 XL on helmets and heels Taylor how you doing tonight
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
0:34
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a Monday night win.
0:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like I've been feeling great today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, it's funny because obviously people that listen and making monsters lesser know I cover the Jaguars 2 and the Jaguars losing Sunday had like the whole station bummed out on Monday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I come in today and I'm like, hey, and they're like, oh, we hit you right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So so you were you at a bar less than I saw I think I saw a video on your and your thing you guys were going nuts right with the game Yeah, so we I hosts like a bear's group of Jacksonville and we have a there's almost like 600 people in the group not all of them meet every Sunday, but we have a good You know usually 30, 40, 50 people that meet up and watch the games together and so yeah last One of the guys decided to record on during that last second field goal to get our reaction and luckily
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[SPEAKER_01]: I always like the reaction videos, of course, when it's a win, I can't stand watch in the negative ones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When it's an ugly thing, I wouldn't, like, why are you punching your television?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think some of those are just staged, like it's a bogus TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They throw up just kind of get the viral video, like on there, because why would you punch your TV over it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't break my TV, I definitely want to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've, I've, like, said some words and screamed and walked out of rooms, but never broke my TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well let's dive into this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As always, we'll start in the trenches with our trench tribute and Taylor, you're the guest this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm only kick things off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would you want to give your trench tribute to this week?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Lester, what honestly makes me a little excited is that I have multiple trench players that I could pick for this and I feel like there's been many games when it's hard to pick one trench player that you want to select, but I think I have to go with the obinna dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, coming in, getting his first
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[SPEAKER_00]: start at left tackle and after the way that things go, we know how it looked against the Raiders and kind of on the right side, it didn't go too well, they switched them over to left, Aussie played a little bit better on that right side.
2:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think seeing that he had 64 snaps, no sacks, no hits, two pressures allowed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw the run game get going for the first time this year, not saying it was off the hook because I do think they actually ran better on the right side, but I just think that it's maybe a little bit of life that the offensive line
2:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the Obedida is like, okay, we found our left tackle of the future.
2:49
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to see a little bit more out of that, but I have to give the guy Kudos for what he was able to do yesterday and actually seeing some pockets around Caleb Williams.
2:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he stepped in, like she said last week, he heard a twist we played right tackle.
3:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't the best, you know, he kind of moved in the left side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought if they had a little better in the left side, which is what he played in college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some guys just better on one side of the other you know some guys can't kind of flip back back and forth Yeah, I thought he had a really good game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had him written down as well.
3:15
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wasn't worried about him too much in the run game because that's kind of what he did and even a preseason We kind of saw his run game was ahead of his his past walking
3:24
[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought he was pretty good in past Pro 2.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't really complain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was three times he kind of got out of his feet a little bit, he kind of lunged a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he had quick feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He stayed with his guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He Caleb got sacked three times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about Caleb a little while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think none of that stuff really came off off the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was pretty good against the commanders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that I want to say the weird illegal formation they called late was on Theo.
3:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was terrible because I said the left tack when I've watched that so many times now at this point trying to figure out what exactly happened and I still don't see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was even showing on on helmets and heels, Tom McManus, he's a former linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He I showed him and I was like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is wrong?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's illegal about this formation?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I mean, if you really want a nitpick, maybe his foot, like, tiny, a miller centimeter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, but enough to like call that in that moment after a touchdown was already caught by Roman Dune's day was really frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's your guy at Rome with an awesome catch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good time on the wall, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess a few years ago, they made a, they run an emphasize those tackles, you know, cheating back too far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the way they, they, they have the rule
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[SPEAKER_01]: The tackles helmet has to be at the center's belt right and then you like you said you watch that clip You're like what's the problem here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's as full as back, but who cares?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all about the element it seemed like those reps and I'm I think we'll talk with the rest a little while But I think those reps were kind of looking to kind of
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[SPEAKER_01]: be part of the game and just let the guys play and get the hell out of no one wants to hear the ref talking here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, I'm going to go the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You meant that you mentioned they ran the ball good on the right side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to go right tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Darnell writes again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, he missed a couple weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He came in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a big bulky brace in his arm and it didn't affect them.
5:15
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I thought he was going to pass pro like he always is.
5:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, the running game, like you said to that side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how many times was he out in front just kind of leading the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple nice plays I shared on my Twitter account from some of the guys kind of clipped up where he was getting two blocks at once.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could get a piece of this guy before on the this guy and it's like what is what is going on here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, Ben Johnson came for off from Detroit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Penny, Sewell's an outstanding right tap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably one of the better ones in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that much of a downward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Garnell Wright is playing at a proble level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this year, maybe the year, he pushes for that proble spot.
5:51
[SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's what I remember Ben Johnson kind of making a comment about that, you know, the mentioning Penaisal and him saying, like, don't know, right can be that type of player and everyone kind of laughed at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, he's playing so well right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to your point that there was a couple times we saw him with like some double blocks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think one of the biggest ones on the game, clenching drive, he
6:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a huge part of how that ended up being a successful run towards the end.
6:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think you have to give so much, so much credit to Darnell Riot because like you said, you're coming off an injury too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of something he's done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about that first year with him and he played injured all year and he was incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe there's just something too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Darnell gets beat up a little bit and he just turns goes up to the next level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's really nice to feel like, especially the last two
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[SPEAKER_00]: two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess more so the second half of the Raiders game and then this week that the tackles are starting to you feel like you may have something there, and I know it's Aussie playing, but we feel like don't know right back on the right side and now feel you may have something on your book ends for the first time and a really long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look, I was a big kind of reaction Jones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he's been a pretty soft football player, but he clearly wasn't the same guy coming back with that injury.
7:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I said, you got a few of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they over there now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: As Jay-Blessed comes eggs, eggs Benedict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what we're trying to push here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that he's doing that stuff on the left side,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Undrafted free agent didn't play at all last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He missed part of part of camp because of an injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then here he is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that the knock and him is short arms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But look, if you have good feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're quick, you can make up some of that plus he has a pretty pretty long torso.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I think that kind of helps him out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a good anchor, which is some fraction don't struggle with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, look, I'm not sure he's the love tackle the future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, one game over there, you kind of like we see from from Benedict and, of course, right over there on the right side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, let's go on to the next part is tweet of the week, which, which, which tweet, you want to highlight from the wonderful world of Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I hold on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me find my because I had sent it to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to remember exactly what it said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I, there was so many first of all, so many good ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wanted to be a little petty and show the ones of Caleb Williams, kind of mocking Troy acumen because he's doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw Ben Johnson kind of go after Troy acumen today too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there were so many good ones that I wanted to go, but I sent you one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was from Ben Standing and he said, which is covers the commanders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he said, the Bears entered week six with the fifth highest rate of 12 personnel this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On Monday night football, they use 11 personnel in 53 of 59 plays 89.8% per next gen stats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the highest rate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if any game ever coached or coordinated by Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, sorry, 12 personnel is all of
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like we talked about this, Lester.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was one of the conversations this off season is how much
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[SPEAKER_00]: 12 personnel he would use and the conversation was always kind of like, okay, well, why are you drafting calls and love the lovelin and I'm sure there's people out there still asking that question, especially with you needing a past pressure still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think this was the reason that everybody talked about was well, he's going to we're going to see multiple tight ends out there you're going to see a lot of those guys having to do blocking things and all of the extra stuff that they're going to ask tight ends to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're kind of seeing it, and I remember last year said that he, I want to say Ryan, the third most in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like 37% or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He ran 12 personnel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a really high number for 12 personnel, but I think it's working when you're having some issues throughout the season of not being able to, your offensive line isn't maybe protecting the way you want, and you can get those extra blockers out there, and you can use those big bodies to help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we saw a lot of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of helping from blocking a general room had a couple really good blocks yesterday and so I do think we're seeing this out of a lot of guys but that's what personnel number I think is just so interesting to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so so much 12 all season and then of course, I'm on the night to kind of flip it up and they do a lot of 11 personnel and just kind of kind of go through the numbers here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The, the receiver is obviously DJ more played a ton 60 snaps out of 64.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The KS 54 snaps out of 64.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rome 62 snaps and then you got Luther Burton in there 15 snaps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they played a ton of that, you know, and like you mentioned, you mentioned the block and a
10:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Rome was all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: D. J. Moore was blocking his ass off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, no block, no rock, D. J. Moore has had been the knock on him, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of fans are critical of his blocking, but he was throwing his body around and he was getting a lot of good blocks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course after the game, he was taking the hospital, Ben Johnson, today talks about how it was data-dating, it's possibly a growing issue right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what happened with the full story there, but whatever it is, he is back in Chicago, so everything looks good for D.D.
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[SPEAKER_01]: tomorrow right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think to your point, that's what it'll be interesting because Ben Johnson, we talk about the heavy 12 personnel most of the time and he switched it up this week and I think it worked all of a sudden, you could run the ball and some really good things were happening.
10:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting how we kind of meshes the two together and I think that's the best thing about having a coach like Ben Johnson who's so offensively creative and isn't afraid to try new things.
11:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're seeing it with the left tackle alone.
11:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Most coaches aren't
11:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Completely a disaster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like breakfast and was ruining every single every single play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just had, you know, a handful of plays that wasn't good and then said your time's up right now.
11:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get a new guy out there and I love that.
11:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the fierceness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the aggressiveness of Ben Johnson.
11:27
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple times where yesterday even you get a little like the fourth and one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't love the play call on that one personally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of good things that you love about him and that's one of the things is like how is he going to mesh all of the things that the spares offense can do at a high level and make it his offense here.
11:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you highlighted this week as it really shows like you said, the first telly of Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was all the 12th personal, 12th personal.
11:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And then this week coming off the by, made a chance to self-scout, they had a little extra time to worry about the commanders and they realized that they condensed the place you a little bit, Ben Johnson talked about.
12:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't as big of a menu sheet for them for the plays and they realized, look,
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[SPEAKER_01]: three receiver sets is probably going to be our best way to attack the scene this week and that's what happened.
12:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So they kind of attacked it, you know Ben Johnson look at five games.
12:16
[SPEAKER_01]: They've won three in a row.
12:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He has been as advertised as far as Bear's fans.
12:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And that kind of leads me into my tweet and my tweet is from Tom for Nelly.
12:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And when the game ended, I kind of saw that it's not like, man, that makes a lot of sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He treats out.
12:31
[SPEAKER_01]: They ain't great.
12:32
[SPEAKER_01]: but they ain't the same old bears either.
12:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's exactly where we are as bear stands.
12:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they've won three games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last two were pretty ugly wins, but we'll take it, right?
12:40
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll take anyone we can at this point as bear stands.
12:44
[SPEAKER_01]: They're playing a pretty good football right now.
12:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who knows what will happen when they come if they come up a really good team later on in the season?
12:51
[SPEAKER_01]: But right now, you know, there are one in teams that winning games were a fluke's never were one of these games.
12:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
12:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Matt Naggi, maybe early on when they had a really nice year.
13:01
[SPEAKER_01]: We're wrong, maybe then, but, you know,
13:04
[SPEAKER_01]: The last time the Bears won games like this, I can't even recall, you expect them to lose games like this and now they won two in a row like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can even go back to the Dallas game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those appointed Dallas game where the Bears were a big, 14-nothing I think, and then all of a sudden, here comes Dallas, they came back and tied it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as a fan, I'm sitting there thinking, here we go, right here we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now this is three weeks in a row, three wins, three games where you think that the old Bears would have blew it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: not these bears, they are not the same old bears.
13:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is, it's a good way to put it, because I think that even watching yesterday with the bears group that I have, there was, there was a couple people that lay in the game where like when they, when Washington scored late and they went ahead and everybody was like, oh gosh, here we go, Washington's gonna break our hearts again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of my friends later was like, this isn't the same, Ben Johnson's not letting that happen.
13:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And immediately I was like,
13:58
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it's so like engraved in our head to immediately be like something that's gonna happen.
14:03
[SPEAKER_00]: This is you knew Jake Moody just got caught off the practice squad and it's gonna come down to his leg and it's just so many things I could possibly go wrong and I do want to give Kudos to Caleb and the fourth quarter is in these games because I feel like he's just been so clutching the moments that you really need to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's things and we'll get to more to Caleb but I
14:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's what also is exciting is you don't have, I don't know, trying to bring up the past constantly, but just in field to it's a turnover in the fourth quarter, that would have been a fumble.
14:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been a sack of loss for 25 yards.
14:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the things that would have happened.
14:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been a blocked kick against us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been, we are, you know, the handoff Phantom fumble that Jaden had, like that would have been us.
14:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it's flipping and it feels really good to feel like you have even not playing your best football you're winning.
14:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And to be honest, you're probably a phantom holding call on Darnell right away from being four and one, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think that when you look at that, you have to be have some positives because you're like, all right, well, if this keeps improving and you get, you know, you're getting these defensive players back.
15:07
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how much Austin Booker adds when it comes to the past rush.
15:10
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see, we don't know when Jalen's back, but when he is, obviously, that's an immediate upgrade.
15:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyler is getting kind of worked in a little bit.
15:17
[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't played this season, so we'll see what that starts to look like when he's more comfortable.
15:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Briskers making plays again.
15:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Buyer's been playing really well.
15:24
[SPEAKER_00]: If all the starts to click at the right time, the bears could go on a run and that they're playing their best football when it matters the most if that happens.
15:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what you want.
15:32
[SPEAKER_01]: You want a team to slowly get better as a year goes on.
15:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, like I said, five games, this team is slowly getting better and things are looking good.
15:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's move on to cognitive numbers, game-teller, what number was the test that we kind of stood out to you this week?
15:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm going to say the number four is the number that stood out and that's because that was the bears gave up the fourth pick for Jonah Jackson and I know when the beginning there was some worries the first couple weeks that looked like oh no is this the Jonah Jackson and that was kind of the question this whole off season is what's Jonah Jackson are you getting are you getting provol caliber Jonah Jackson that was with Ben Johnson and Detroit or are you getting the hurt
16:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, not very good, Jonah Jackson, which we saw, you know, most recent, and a lot of people had talked to that were offensive line guys, all said, you know, they just felt like he never really fully recovered from that injury.
16:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was kind of a thing that they wanted to know further away from being recovered and haven't been good, like if he can get back to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think we're seeing a better Jonah Jackson.
16:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a lot of zero sacs, zero hits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has allowed
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since then, since then, it's four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Four heres, no sacks, no hits, a lot by Jonah Jackson.
16:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And like obviously sitting by a guy named Jo Tuney and how Drew Dalman's been playing the last couple weeks too, you're just kind of seeing all of them approve and start to gel together.
16:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so that fourth pick right now that, you know, fourth round picks, sorry, that they gave up for Jonah Jackson.
17:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like may not look too shabby at the end of the season.
17:07
[SPEAKER_00]: If it continues the way it's going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're mixing up your guards because they sent the fourth for toony.
17:12
[SPEAKER_01]: They sent the six for John.
17:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the six for John.
17:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so number six then is the number.
17:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll edit that.
17:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't big deal.
17:18
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, that's a good point.
17:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they even better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they got them for a six-ron pick.
17:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
17:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, a lot of question marks when they came in.
17:24
[SPEAKER_01]: They gave them the the rework deal, which is one thing a lot of people will own.
17:28
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going to deal, but.
17:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we talk about slowly getting better as the year goes on.
17:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Joan of Jackson's in the same boat.
17:33
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting better as the year goes on.
17:35
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting more comfortable.
17:36
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting further away from that injury that really took away some tires here with the Rams last year.
17:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Then, of course, they're moving around from the scar to center, and that's not who he is.
17:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He's worried belongs right now in Chicago.
17:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a good place for him, like I said, he's familiar with Ben Johnson's offense.
17:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, he's a pro.
17:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he can't.
17:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the run game on the right side yesterday.
17:58
[SPEAKER_01]: He was leading that way too.
17:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He was there getting a lot of bodies on people
18:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, does he got some some some works in his game?
18:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure he does, but look, he's playing pretty good football right now for the bears and then an entire online had a hell of a job against the commander.
18:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So my number is going to be 28.
18:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually found this stat, you know, Aaron Levinger guy, he tweeted about this earlier today.
18:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He saw this stat on ESPN.
18:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So the bears broke a string of 28 consecutive losses when they were down by eight points in the fourth quarter.
18:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, we talked about it earlier how this same old bears right this is not the same old bears.
18:35
[SPEAKER_01]: They broke that string.
18:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were down by eight.
18:38
[SPEAKER_01]: They had the block feelable.
18:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we all thought, oh, geez, here we go.
18:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to happen.
18:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jake moody to come out of Jake moody's kick.
18:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He's never going to make this kick.
18:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He did it.
18:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Kayla comes back.
18:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, it's a real nice pasta to the swift swift kind of takes the rest of the way by himself.
18:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they get the feelable.
18:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, when you're watching the game in the bar, you know, yeah, there was some faith, there was some hope, but when I was sitting here watching, I'm like, I think you're not gonna happen.
19:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, please, please go in, but it's not gonna happen.
19:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, Jake, we did a great job made that kick, but yeah, 28 straight losses down by eight.
19:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not like a ton.
19:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a one score game.
19:19
[SPEAKER_01]: That's basically on score games.
19:20
[SPEAKER_01]: This bears team under Fluse.
19:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
19:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Nagi.
19:24
[SPEAKER_01]: 28 straight.
19:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is, and that's what you start to see the boxes being checked of the negative side of things that they're starting to flip.
19:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And like the road games of first thing, you already talk about, you know, Ben Johnson winning more road games and Eva Flousted.
19:41
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about how the Bears didn't one time score on the score touched down on the opening drive.
19:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year and they did it right away this season like that you're starting to see those things that kind of haunted them forever and this is still a projection because there's a lot of season left you want some people to stay healthy, but at this point in time hill Williams is on track to break that 30 touchdown 4000 passing.
20:03
[SPEAKER_00]: record that everybody's been talking about forever if he continues.
20:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has to average like 256 a game or something like that.
20:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Less than two touchdowns, it ends up kind of being.
20:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, those things at this point to be able to say this early on and like you said, without everything even feeling like it's completely clicking, there's still some,
20:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Accuracy issues, there's still some penalties that you want to kind of get shaken away rightful, right or not, and so I do think that that a number like that a number like that 28 just shows that is that is that or giving us hope that the page is turning finally at least things won't just hover over us forever.
20:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Caleb is doomed yesterday of this is two straight games.
20:42
[SPEAKER_01]: He helped bring the bears back and that lead us right into Caleb's corner here and Caleb Williams when in the game went ahead.
20:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I'm all discombobited.
20:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not used to being the lead here.
20:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's usually J.B.
20:55
[SPEAKER_01]: running the show.
20:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So Caleb went 70 for 29, 252 yards.
21:00
[SPEAKER_01]: He went sack three times.
21:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm broken on no sack.
21:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think two of the sacks,
21:05
[SPEAKER_01]: They were going to be on him, but look, there were smart plays.
21:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:08
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no point in throwing the ball away, keep the clock running.
21:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Then the other one, he kind of just slid down to keep the clock running again.
21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So he had to one touchdown to swift, pass rating 98.6.
21:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He had four rushes, technically negative three yards.
21:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But he had to one touchdown there.
21:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Caleb prayed pretty good.
21:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he had a couple missed picks early, right?
21:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Where he like, oh my god, why are you throwing that?
21:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
21:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But then on the flip side, he had, we talked about the great past of Roman doomsday.
21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: That was then gated by a stupid penalty.
21:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He had to drop by the keys with Jordan went for, you know,
21:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably it does now, so, so yeah, so like everyone's saying, what about this?
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: What about this?
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you're going to be the what if what if game for negative stuff, you got to look at the positive stuff too.
21:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that killed had a overall pretty good game.
21:57
[SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he's 22 games into his NFL career.
22:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you just strictly talk about, you've put those stats up from his week, one, you know, his first five games last season to his first five games this season, it's significantly different.
22:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's significantly better across the board.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to yards thrown, when it comes yards per attempt, per completion, when it comes touchdown to interception ratio, everything you can ask for, QBR, all of the things.
22:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know there's still the inaccuracy, there's moments where you're just like,
22:28
[SPEAKER_00]: that was almost a pick or that was sailing over someone's head or it's funny because I also during the game accident when he called him Trevor because Trevor sailed so many passes over his receiver said I was like Trevor I mean Caleb but I do think you're seeing so much improvement I think sometimes his feet still get a little wild if you're like nitpicking things where I'm like
22:48
[SPEAKER_00]: His feet are a little crazy sometimes, and I hope then Johnson starts to reel that in and you know focus on that.
22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's a lot of things he wanted to fix and kind of start to go over with Caleb, so maybe he's working through the list of things that needed to be fixed after Shane Waldron ruined everything last year.
23:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But.
23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
23:05
[SPEAKER_01]: In Jacksonville.
23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Which now we're seeing the same thing.
23:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Not saying he's not calling play is likely.
23:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.
23:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Caleb, everything that you could ask for to start to improve, you've seen.
23:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And that next thing I think is, you know, seeing something more, we saw they flash it during the game last night.
23:23
[SPEAKER_00]: He has the highest percentage of our off target throws and the NFL, those you want to see start to listen.
23:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But everything else, the timing, not holding the ball too long, you know.
23:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, he'd kind of leave the pocket just because he could leave the pocket rather than being strategic about it and making smart plays.
23:38
[SPEAKER_00]: He's taking the check down when he needs to.
23:40
[SPEAKER_00]: He's reading the field.
23:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He's using multiple wider sievers.
23:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just like, go to Rome every single game you're seeing.
23:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Zacchaeus involved.
23:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing with your burden.
23:48
[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing both tight ends.
23:49
[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing the running backs pass catch.
23:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing DJ Moore in the back field.
23:53
[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing all of these different things.
23:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so fun to watch him take on what we heard was a very difficult playbook and scheme.
24:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And in five weeks, really take control of me to kind of said today on their show.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: She said, this is the most lionly I've seen this bears offense all season.
24:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And it makes me really happy.
24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, let's go.
24:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that means that to me, that staying Caleb Williams is finally making this offense look like a Ben Johnson offense.
24:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you mentioned him moving to throw them all over the place because they're coming in in a lot of fans that are gonna be Roam or DJ, like they'll be clearly clear cutting number ones.
24:28
[SPEAKER_01]: But this week, it was Luther Burton.
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He led the team with four catches, he had 51 yards, Swift of course had 67 on that big 55-yard run, but DJ Moore had some targets, Roam and Target's, Calvin and I,
24:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but my non guy had hit a screen.
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, he is not he's not really force feeding the ball to anyone.
24:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of taking one of the defense gives him.
24:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're scheme.
24:51
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to scheme some guys open on a few plays, but for the most part, he's able to go to his progressions, make the right read and like said, yeah, his off target rates a little too high, but but overall.
25:02
[SPEAKER_01]: all his numbers are up and you talk about it earlier.
25:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He's on pace to break the classic fourth thousand yard.
25:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if that happens, there should be a prey down Michigan Avenue, fourth thousand yard passer in Chicago versus history.
25:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, let's do it.
25:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get them out there on the floats, macy's day to parade, get the winter circle involved, something because that would be historic for us.
25:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:25
[SPEAKER_00]: it would honestly be insane and it just kills the narrative that the national media and the NFL won a hold on to and talk about constantly.
25:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think that's another check box, you know, another box that the bears could check off of the things are changing and that the pages turning.
25:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love it.
25:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going up for the Bears Packers game on December 20th.
25:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that Saturday game, which is my birthday.
25:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to break it at that game, it would be fantastic.
25:50
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be awesome.
25:51
[SPEAKER_00]: A little special to it.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: There's still a few games after that.
25:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be really breaking the record, but I'm here for it.
25:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he hasn't had a huge game yet this season, but he's still on pace for that 4000 yards.
26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So who knows?
26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, last year, what he had four 300 yards passing games.
26:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So we haven't really seen a huge game yet.
26:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, that's common.
26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it all takes a couple big ones in a row, and next thing, you know, man, he's on pace for 4500 yards, you know, who knows what's going to happen here.
26:16
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26:18
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26:20
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26:47
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26:48
[SPEAKER_01]: JB always writes this down.
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a pen.
26:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So I give him after remember what I'm at this thing here.
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So quick break for the podcast.
26:53
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26:55
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we are back, Baron Bowens, I enjoy my Taylor Doll this week, JB is on assignment for his real job, I believe.
27:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So look, the three bears, right?
27:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Hot, cold, just right.
27:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start with the hot like we always do.
27:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Taylor, who is the hot bull who perform better than you probably anticipated them to a play in the bear's game on Monday?
27:17
[SPEAKER_00]: The name that I'm said multiple multiple times throughout this game, Swiftie, let's go!
27:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I love seeing this finally happen.
27:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And just what he was able to do in general, and we've all, this is something we've had conversations to.
27:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He has the vision, we know that the Swift's biggest issue is more so like he's not that guy that's gonna run people over and force mis tackles and get the extra yards after contact.
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not gonna happen.
27:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So we were seeing these creative ways to get him out on the perimeter and like get some green in front of them.
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can just go and we were talking about the blocks from a doonsay and some of these guys helping block out on the perimeter to and pulling the tackles and doing all of this crazy stuff to help get that run game going.
27:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to give I don't give the love to the offensive linemen, but also deandry swifts because this is something that bears fans needed to see some life into that run game and take a little bit of pressure.
28:09
[SPEAKER_00]: off of Caleb Williams because it did feel like the run couldn't really do much at all and when I was talking to several people throughout the last, um, several like, you know, that last week prepping for the Washington game, it was all kind of like, you know, the run game could be what wins or loses this game for the bears because Washington when stopping the run or whether one of the better teams that stopping the run and they were one of the better teams at running the ball and the bears were able to kind of
28:35
[SPEAKER_00]: fix both of those things in one game, and as a permanent, I don't know, but for now, definitely Swift, he gets my game ball for sure.
28:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming off the buy, like I said, they self-scouted.
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, the commanders, you know, Crosskey Merit was averaging 6.6 yards of carry.
28:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Bears held him to 3.6 and Annie fumbled, you know, they held the commanders to 4 point yards for carry, which is it's okay, but nowhere near what they were given up and and look you've mentioned what Swift did 7.7 yards for per run 108 yards 14 carries he had two catches for 67 yards in that ridiculous touchdown where a nice starter step on the sideline there to kind of get himself free.
29:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I said it was lucky, but Oh, dude, we're going to get to the eighth minute.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure here in a little bit, but yeah, he just had a good game.
29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, he has pretty good vision.
29:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But he must go outside.
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want to go inside.
29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how everyone knows who Swift is, right?
29:33
[SPEAKER_01]: They use them correctly, right?
29:34
[SPEAKER_01]: They put them on those outsides on runs.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: He had a few inside runs, but for the most part, he's more effective outside and they use monungai on five carries.
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They use Rochan Johnson, you know, he- I know, is that our first Rochan was citing, because I was saying- That is his first snap on offense, I think, this year.
29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Went for a six-shared run.
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: As the Kia said, had a carry.
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Dee Dee more had a couple carries, so they're using things here, but look, come off the buy.
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They realized they got a fixed run game when we heard Ben John's talk about it.
30:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He said it's not all swift, right?
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the scheme.
30:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the guys are front or niss not jelling together.
30:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It should be.
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever they did, you know, over the buy, whatever they self scouted, they kind of figured something out here.
30:14
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll continue next week against the Saints.
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to wait and see, but one week coming off a buy.
30:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, when's the last time a bear's team won off a buy, even?
30:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's another box we can check because I don't think it's happened under Eva Fluse.
30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and of course, you know, going back further.
30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not sure when the last one happened.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe a couple of times who knows, but for me for my hot bowl, like, we gotta talk about Jake Moody.
30:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hell's going out as guy.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Come out and wear a cast off from the 49ers, former third round draft pick.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, as a real hot pedigree, just didn't work out in San Fran and look, these kickers and happens, right?
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: They bounce around a lot.
30:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Just look at Washington, Washington is part,
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: was in Bears Camp two years in a row and he never really caught on.
31:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And he finally catches on and he's been in league knock.
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like 10, 12 years.
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So some time that takes kickers a little hard and punters a little longer to get things figured out.
31:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So Jake Moody four or five game winner.
31:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, that takes some.
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's ice water.
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you go out there, especially after he just had his block.
31:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was a terrible kick.
31:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like the guy from Washington got a block
31:25
[SPEAKER_01]: but they figured it out.
31:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Kudos to the offense, we're getting a little closer, make sure that they were going to leave no doubts.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: But Jake Moody, you know, and he's probably back to the, uh, to the practice squad, because I can Cairo unless he goes on IR, I think because he's your kicker next week.
31:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So this may be the only time we see Moody all year.
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get in the hot bowl of porridge this
31:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what a what a big moment for him and it's funny everyone keeps throwing that or playing that clip from when Debo like hit them when they played for the Niners together and Debo hit them on the sidelines because he missed the kick and like everyone's like This is Moody's revenge on Debo and so that any extra like salt I can pour on the commanders right now I am but I just feel like it
32:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a really big moment.
32:06
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not easy to do, getting called up last minute and to a game and then you having to kick the game-winning field goal in final seconds of, like you said, that after just getting one kick, honestly, the snap was even a little high too.
32:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a perfect snap.
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He gave credit to, you know, he gave credit to the snap and the everybody around him.
32:25
[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, I was kind of like, ooh, I was a little scared when it first got snapped.
32:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I credit to him because that too what we talked about earlier last year that would have been blocked that would have been just missed it would have been doington it we would have been crying and instead Jake Moody once again.
32:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake Moody comes in nowhere.
32:42
[SPEAKER_01]: The joint came on the other side line this time.
32:45
[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, it doesn't have to go in this game.
32:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So that everything is coming up.
32:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Bears doesn't have to go in this game.
32:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's go to the cold bowl, the bear that performs or maybe go on a different direction.
32:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I got my own going to the different directions.
32:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So who gets your cold this week?
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: The other.
33:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hate saying this because this is my favorite bear, but I was expecting a Rome day and I really wanted everybody watching Monday night football to see the Rome we've seen.
33:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted that touchdown the consecutive touchdown the continue.
33:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing played Rome played bad.
33:15
[SPEAKER_00]: We obviously we talked about that illegal formation calling back the one so he should have had a touchdown, but it just he had a drop in.
33:22
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a couple of moments where I just felt like him and Caleb weren't quite on the same page as they had been in previous games and I really did.
33:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been so hyping up Roman Dunesay that I wanted everybody watching Monday night football to be like, oh, Rome is here and I don't know if anybody watching that game last night really is coming out taking that.
33:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care because they won but I just more so I thought it was going to be a big day for Rome and it more so was a little bit different than I thought it was going to go.
33:49
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to call it out, such as us calling out of Sanashbroan.
33:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Then Troyman, who should get Polo here of his own, yeah, call up her up, and then look, speech like, well, what was he doing with that?
34:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had a, in his mind that he was going out there.
34:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Jane Dam was going to be the goal challenge of being a, he was going to be using a victory, and it just didn't have to.
34:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb kind of flip the script.
34:14
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears kind of flip the script.
34:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So look the refs, I think a little bit of cold goal, but I'm going to get a little bit for a try again as well.
34:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was honestly very frustrating towards again.
34:24
[SPEAKER_00]: There were that final drive like we were out.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: They had the sound on for us.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So the sound was on.
34:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I literally had my ears plugged on the final, the bear's final drive because I was like, I can't even stand listening to him at this point.
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: He was just like, crapping on everything that the bear's due no matter what.
34:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he called the one swift run.
34:43
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, oh, that was lucky.
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like no matter what jaded.
34:46
[SPEAKER_00]: If Caleb Williams would have like fumbled the ball on his own no contact fumbled he would have been talking about that for the next five minutes in the game and it was just so frustrating to listen to that the rest we talked the legal formation was crap the offensive pass interference on constant level and was one of the worst calls i have ever seen in my entire life
35:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's just way too many moments that they were dictating the game that way and to your point like they wanted to be in control of what was going on.
35:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad the bears overcame that because I do think that a lot of times you're not coming out on the other side of a game that a opposing team is getting the calls and you know what's bad when Washington finally gets a call and the whole barge cheering like Oh, they got a penalty.
35:26
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not on us.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody had, we all had like delayed reaction, like any time Caleb would make a play and you know, complete a pass.
35:34
[SPEAKER_00]: We'd all wait like three seconds to make sure no class was right.
35:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it shouldn't be that way.
35:39
[SPEAKER_00]: You shouldn't, they should let some of these got you want to see a play.
35:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I get certain penalties.
35:44
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to call the brisk or one.
35:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see like he was at his knees.
35:48
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to those things.
35:49
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to call.
35:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Montez, that one was bad.
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: He barely skimmed his face mask, but you can't touch jade and dangles.
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, both of them, they get a very cold bowl of porridge.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: mentioned at that the opi on loveland.
36:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that commander defense back sold it a bit because I watched it back today and you know he was it's like he was he was hit like by a truck.
36:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean he really flew back and like what is he doing here?
36:13
[SPEAKER_01]: The restaurant it's like flopping in the NBA.
36:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like coming at that that's ridiculous.
36:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So so let's go let's go to the final one here.
36:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Just right who you got for just right this year.
36:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my just read has been Johnson.
36:24
[SPEAKER_00]: You said it at the top of the show, but just as advertised, I feel like we're seeing, and I've heard several people throughout this off season when I did my preview with Mark for the Detroit Lions.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, I think this is going to be a disaster.
36:40
[SPEAKER_00]: These two don't mesh.
36:42
[SPEAKER_00]: They're two different Ben Johnson, working with Jared Golf, he's not going to be able to do the same thing with Caleb Williams.
36:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And so,
36:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I love so much that Ben Johnson is taking Caleb strengths and really working around them and taking the bear strengths in general and to your point using that by week to say, hey, we've got to get this run game going.
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: How can we do it and making it happen?
37:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And then just so I think we're seeing that connection between the two and Caleb.
37:07
[SPEAKER_00]: If you hear him talk, he trusts and Ben Johnson with everything and that's so comforting because
37:12
[SPEAKER_00]: when he was talking about his touchdown run that he had and he was like I didn't think it was going to work because you know there were the linebackers were there and he was like you know credit to Ben Johnson and so he's crediting his head coach for making the right play call even when he doesn't think it may work and to me that's the perfect relationship you want between a cubionic coach.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: the trust is there.
37:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we kind of heard it, you know, that they talked about it.
37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a rocky start in camp, right?
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of problems in camp, a lot of miscommunication with things, a lot of a lot of pre-staff, you know, issues they had in camp, and the people that were there covering it, they said it was really inconsistent.
37:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson and Killable talk, but hey, we trust the process.
37:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just keep fight through it.
37:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, here we are now again.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the progress they made during camp.
37:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Five weeks in the same thing.
38:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you mentioned Ben Johnson and the coach, head coacher, because my Jess Wright is gonna be the assistant coaches.
38:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
38:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you hear the players talk about these guys.
38:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It's talk about Al Harris, about the really emphasize and takeaways.
38:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, then an Allen is going to really good job with that defense when he's doing things there.
38:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Eric Bienemey, he's got this running back's playing a pretty good football right now.
38:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Antoine Randall L, you know, the old line.
38:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like a cohesive unit.
38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, it helps have an obviously better players, obviously.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know what they were doing the last few years.
38:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kind of, I don't know what Chris Morgan was teaching.
38:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he was coaching.
38:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't tell the skiing he was running half the time.
38:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of it made no sense.
38:41
[SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't pass off a stunts.
38:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, like Coach Dan Rochard now.
38:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He has these guys playing pretty good.
38:49
[SPEAKER_01]: look this is a pretty good coaching staff and look it's not all it's not all Ben Johnson's buddies he didn't go and just get guys he knew a bunch of yes men he brought a couple guys if from Detroit for the most part you know this is a really a mixed up group assistance and they're all blending well together I think this this is a really good coaching staff and I think in a few years you're going to start seeing teams come to Chicago
39:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And start wanting to post these guys away and that's what you want.
39:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You want that as as an organization because then you know, you know, you're winning, you're you're developing not only your players, you develop your coaching staff.
39:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if that happened a few years, that's perfect.
39:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that Ben Johnson's your primary play color.
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Fine.
39:26
[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.
39:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:27
[SPEAKER_01]: If your assistant can focus the way, no worries.
39:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the best part about having your head coach be an offensive minded in the play collar because you don't have to worry about that sense and you don't have to worry about what Detroit did with Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn both being snatched into the same off season.
39:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know obviously there.
39:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they lost to Kansas City pretty bad, but I feel like they feel like they are okay.
39:49
[SPEAKER_00]: They have enough talent there that they feel like they're okay.
39:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, I feel like out Harris was one of my favorite offseason higherings, honestly.
39:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I just felt like what he did.
39:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look at Detroit.
40:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Dallas is second there now.
40:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's saying it's all out Harris.
40:03
[SPEAKER_00]: There's obviously some other issues.
40:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But just what he does when it comes to forcing the ball.
40:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can see there was a couple moments yesterday where you can tell.
40:10
[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like go after the ball.
40:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, that's great.
40:13
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, make sure you make the tackle.
40:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, get them down on the ground, too.
40:16
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple of those moments where you're a little worried that someone's going to break
40:21
[SPEAKER_00]: get by, but yeah, it's really fun right now.
40:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And especially Dennis Allen, I think that he's not getting enough credit honestly because without you haven't had Jalen Johnson, you didn't have colored board in until this game, TJ Edwards has been out.
40:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Greatie Jaris been dealing with an injury too.
40:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing all of these injuries that most teams losing their starting corner, starting their top corner, their top line
40:45
[SPEAKER_00]: guy they paid in the off season to be there, starting defensive tackle.
40:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you lose all of that, you're seeing, you know, it really hurt your team and he's finding other ways.
40:54
[SPEAKER_00]: The past rush isn't what you want, but he's trying, like, he's sending guys that you're, like, are he's trying to create some past rush with what he has there.
41:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe it's not what you want, but it just feels like,
41:05
[SPEAKER_00]: He's bringing some sort of life and into the defense that has felt a little depleted and now you're getting guys back and so now he really gets to work with Kyler Gordon and that nickel corner who's so important in his schemes and being able to that's I think Kyler honestly is a big part that can help in the run to and I don't know that's talked about enough in the DAD defense.
41:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think that that's an important thing of a head coach is making those hiring tiring the right guys and so far in the small sample we have he's done a really good job of that.
41:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think getting Kylie Gordon back, getting TJ Edwards back.
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they gave him a little more confidence through a few more things upfront.
41:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think we saw him blitz a little more than usual.
41:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we saw him play run a few more games upfront than usual because he trust that he has a guy like a nickel like Kylie Gordon and even TJ Edwards at linebacker.
41:52
[SPEAKER_01]: He was in coverage quite a bit.
41:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, he isn't the,
41:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Quickest guy back there, but he's a smart football player.
41:58
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows how to work those zones.
41:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that gives Dennis out a little more confidence.
42:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, guys, guys, come back, maybe great a year, it's going to come back in a week or two and he'll add something to that past rush.
42:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Austin Booker earlier.
42:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes back, maybe he gives something off the edge.
42:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you have a little more confidence in your front seven, kind of place somebody's games, because you are having to kind of make up the loss of jailing Johnson here.
42:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Christopher kind of had.
42:26
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been pretty good this year.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin Barr has been good in the safety as well.
42:30
[SPEAKER_01]: The other, you know, Stevenson, I was really hoping for a big breakout game for him this week.
42:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't happen, but he'll take the dove.
42:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he's fine.
42:38
[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost good.
42:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It was quiet.
42:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you didn't hear his voice, it was honestly probably good.
42:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's best to have those guys not be mentioned much.
42:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, nothing's going on.
42:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it's good coaching staff.
42:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is on the right path.
42:52
[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about the Saints coming up next Sunday.
42:55
[SPEAKER_01]: A whole string of noon kick-offs here, which would be nice, you know, none of these late nights.
42:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say, wait, I'm up.
43:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I went to bed at 2.30 in the morning last night.
43:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to get up and it's like, come on, it's not out.
43:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Dickens, I can't do this, that's all.
43:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I did want to mention to because we had a little bit of a scary moment.
43:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously with no assault going down and he stayed down for quite a bit.
43:16
[SPEAKER_00]: If anybody missed it, I just did an episode.
43:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I talked to no assaults dad.
43:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously Penae has brother and so we talked kind of their journey from Hawaii to Utah and what that looks like, the you know, the football start.
43:28
[SPEAKER_00]: No assault plate quarterback in high school and Penae was his blocker in high school.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's a fun story.
43:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I did text his dad just to check and see if he, you know, if no is okay and he said he's okay, but he did say it was scary because he said he never that was the first time he's ever felt something like he felt and so he was like he didn't know what was going on and that's why he was kind of laying there for a while because he couldn't figure out what was going on.
43:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So a little bit of a scary moment, but it's good that no is okay.
43:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Concussion is at the I think that they wrote it as yeah they rolled them out for concussion and so I figured but those ones are always like the winner not moving is always makes me think neck and that terrifies me and so it doesn't seem like that I think he just yeah got shaken up which was helmet to helmet so those things happen, but I'm glad he's all right friendly fire always heard so tail I want to thank you so much for joining on we're going to stick around a little bit for the YouTube crowd, but any final thoughts for a good out here.
44:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think just continue it.
44:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you have the stretch of games coming up next that you can really take advantage and keep winning.
44:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Saints definitely is a winnable game.
44:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You talk about we're probably going to get Lamar Jackson, which kind of sucks, but I do think the Ravens defense right now is a mess, take advantage of that.
44:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Caleb, cook against them.
44:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it can just be one of the more in the air battles, but you have some games coming up where you can really put yourself and
44:47
[SPEAKER_00]: a really good spot.
44:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw Scott K. Adams said they'll be seven and two was her prediction and this next stretch of game.
44:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would love to see that.
44:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think just continue to build off what we've seen, Lester.
44:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And you, I think Ferris can be happy by the end of the season record or not if they continue to build from what we've seen.
45:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they'll be some happy Ferris fans.
45:06
[SPEAKER_01]: He heard from Taylor.
45:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Let Caleb cook.
45:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
45:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get the heck out of here.
45:11
[SPEAKER_01]: For Taylor,