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- 0:00Speaker 1: There's something almost primal about a mystery that just won't.
- 0:04Speaker 2: Be solved, isn't there definitely that feeling of a locked box,
- 0:07something history just hasn't given up.
- 0:09Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. We humans, we just crave closure, right, And
- 0:12when the facts run out, that space the unknown, well
- 0:17it just grabs our imagination, it really does.
- 0:20Speaker 2: And it's more than just you know, missing facts. It
- 0:22becomes a kind of narrative vacuum.
- 0:24Speaker 1: A vacuum how so, Well.
- 0:26Speaker 2: When a crime like this stays unsolved forever, we tend
- 0:30to fill that empty space. We pour in our fears,
- 0:32our craziest theories, decades and decades of just speculation.
- 0:36Speaker 1: Right, And if you look at the whole history of
- 0:38like modern true crime, one name just towers above the rest.
- 0:42It's basically the foundation Jack the Ripper, Jack the Ripper. Yeah,
- 0:46you could argue it's the most famous unsolved murder mystery ever.
- 0:49It's haunted London and really the whole world for well
- 0:51over a century now.
- 0:52Speaker 2: And what's really striking is just how long it's lasted.
- 0:55I mean, it's endurance. We've had other awful baffling cases, sure.
- 0:59Speaker 1: The Zodia at Killer, the Black Dahlia.
- 1:02Speaker 2: Right, the ax Man of New Orleans even, but none
- 1:04of them have hit that same level of.
- 1:08Speaker 1: Global fame, that cultural saturation exactly, or.
- 1:12Speaker 2: Just the sheer longevity that the Ripper has.
- 1:14Speaker 1: Okay, so let's dig into that. Our mission today, this
- 1:17deep dive. It's not really about who the Ripper was.
- 1:21We're trying to figure out why, why does this mystery
- 1:24hang around? We want to get past the basic facts,
- 1:27look at the sources and really understand that mix the history,
- 1:31the social context, the psychology that pushed these horrible killings
- 1:35into becoming this huge cultural touchstone.
- 1:39Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to figure out why the Ripper's shadow
- 1:41feels so much bigger, so much scarier, and just more
- 1:45universally known than say, any other modern bogeyman. It's like
- 1:48a masterclass in myth making.
- 1:50Speaker 1: That's the core question, absolutely, And to get that legacy,
- 1:52we have to start where it all began, late summer
- 1:55autumn eighteen eighty eight, London's Whitechapel district. Let's taint that
- 1:58picture first, because the setting is so crucial. Here, the
- 2:01East end of London in eighteen eighty eight. I mean,
- 2:03it was like a totally different world compared to you know,
- 2:05the fancy parts of Victorian London.
- 2:08Speaker 2: Oh completely, our sources, they describe White Chapel as just
- 2:12sheer poverty, unbelievable over crowding, so much human misery packed
- 2:17into one place.
- 2:18Speaker 1: They called the housing rookeries, didn't.
- 2:20Speaker 2: They that's the term. Yeah, These tightly packed, falling apart tenements,
- 2:24disease everywhere, no privacy.
- 2:27Speaker 1: It was grim and this environment that created this, this
- 2:31perfect storm of chaos, right absolutely.
- 2:34Speaker 2: You had this population that society had basically written off,
- 2:37people living hand to mouth and common lodging houses, just
- 2:40trying to survive day by.
- 2:41Speaker 1: Day, which also meant they didn't trust anyone in charge.
- 2:44Speaker 2: Especially not the police. There was this deep, deep suspicion
- 2:48of authority.
- 2:49Speaker 1: And into that whole mess, the killing start fast, terrifying, and.
- 2:54Speaker 2: We usually focus on what historians call the canonical five victims, right.
- 2:58Speaker 1: Mary and Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Catherinetto's and Mary
- 3:02Jane Kelly.
- 3:02Speaker 2: Those are the five generally agreed upon. And the timeline
- 3:04is just chillingly brief.
- 3:06Speaker 1: Yeah, barely ten weeks end of August to early November
- 3:09eighteen eighty.
- 3:10Speaker 2: Eight, right August thirty first for Nichols November ninth for Kelly.
- 3:14That intense concentration of just brutal violence in such a
- 3:19small area, it caused immediate total panic.
- 3:22Speaker 1: People were horrified, obviously, but it was the way they
- 3:25were killed, the extreme violence, that really turn it from
- 3:28just you know, a string of murders into this global headline.
- 3:32Speaker 2: Exactly. The victims they were all female sex workers, already
- 3:35living on the absolute fringes of society, incredibly vulnerable.
- 3:39Speaker 1: And the method consistent.
- 3:41Speaker 2: A quick slash to the throat probably knocked them out
- 3:43or killed them almost instantly, and then severe mutilation after death.
- 3:48Speaker 1: Those details about the mutilation, they're critical to the story.
- 3:51Sources point out that specific organs.
- 3:53Speaker 2: Were removed, Yeah, and removed with a kind of precision. Yeah,
- 3:56that suggested quote anatomical knowledge.
- 3:59Speaker 1: Okay, but what did people at the time think that
- 4:00meant anatomical knowledge? Like was he a doctor, a butcher,
- 4:06some skilled craftsman.
- 4:07Speaker 2: Well, that detail was really the big fear factor, wasn't it.
- 4:09It separated the ripper from just you know, a common thug.
- 4:13The general feeling back then, backed up by the autopsy
- 4:16reports we had, was that the cuts were too precise,
- 4:19especially the removal of say, a kidney from Catherine Netto's
- 4:23or the uterus in other cases, it seemed like more
- 4:26than just amateur hacking.
- 4:27Speaker 1: So not just random slashing.
- 4:28Speaker 2: There was some method, definitely seemed like it. It strongly
- 4:33suggested the killer knew about human anatomy, maybe medical training, surgery,
- 4:36even specialized butchery perhaps, but the surgical feel of it
- 4:41was what really amped up the fear.
- 4:42Speaker 1: Ah, So it created this image not just a brute,
- 4:45but maybe someone educated, someone hiding in plain sight.
- 4:48Speaker 2: Exactly a sophisticated predator, maybe hidden amongst the masses, rather
- 4:52than just some desperate random attacker. That distinction is absolutely
- 4:56crucial for the whole myth making process later on.
- 4:58Speaker 1: And yet despite throwing recent versus at it, Scotland Yard
- 5:01just failed completely failed to catch them. Why what was
- 5:05wrong with the investigation back then?
- 5:06Speaker 2: Well, the challenges were immense, both technologically and just in
- 5:11terms of how things were organized.
- 5:12Speaker 1: Technology.
- 5:13Speaker 2: First, yeah, forensics as we understand it today, it basically
- 5:16didn't exist. Fingerprinting wasn't really a practical tool yet DNA
- 5:21science fiction and crime scenes, well preserving them wasn't really
- 5:25a thing.
- 5:26Speaker 1: Plus London's environment.
- 5:27Speaker 2: Right, dark alleys, gaslight, constant fog and rain, any potential
- 5:33evidence could just vanish instantly.
- 5:34Speaker 1: And what about the police themselves.
- 5:36Speaker 2: The structure that might have been an even bigger problem
- 5:39actually Scotland yard the Metropolitan Police, they were often disorganized,
- 5:44lots of internal squabbles.
- 5:45Speaker 1: Turfed four, especially with the City of London police right
- 5:48where some of the murders.
- 5:49Speaker 2: Happened exactly Stride and ETOs were killed where their jurisdictions met,
- 5:54which caused massive confusion. There wasn't good central coordination. You
- 5:58had witnesses giving conflicting story, worries, evidence getting lost, orders
- 6:02getting mixed up. It was a bit of a mess.
- 6:04Speaker 1: So you've got victims nobody really cared about, a chaotic environment,
- 6:07and police who are just structurally not ready for this.
- 6:11Speaker 2: It really was the perfect storm for a killer like
- 6:13this to operate almost freely. He could strike fast in
- 6:17those packed dark rookeries and just melt away back into
- 6:21the crowds, back into the fog, total anonymity.
- 6:24Speaker 1: So the investigation it was kind of doomed from the start,
- 6:28not for lack of trying maybe, but just the sheer difficulty.
- 6:31Speaker 2: Pretty much trying to track one cunning person in that
- 6:34sprawling chaotic city using nineteenth century methods, it was an
- 6:38almost impossible task.
- 6:39Speaker 1: Okay, so the crimes themselves laid the groundwork for the terror,
- 6:43but the timing, the historical moment, that's what really cemented
- 6:46the fame.
- 6:47Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, these murders hit right at a pivot point
- 6:49in history, the peak of the late Victorian era, a
- 6:52time of immense national pride but also staggering hypocrisy, and.
- 6:56Speaker 1: The killings instantly became this kind of brutal social commentary devastatingly.
- 7:01Speaker 2: So, yeah, the West End all fancies celebrating the Empire's
- 7:05wealth and progress and then bam, the Ripper case just
- 7:07rips back the curtain on the East End shows the
- 7:10unbelievable neglect the poverty.
- 7:12Speaker 1: It really highlighted the gap between rich and poor massively.
- 7:16Speaker 2: And especially the plight of poor women who had absolutely
- 7:19no safety net, none at all.
- 7:21Speaker 1: Did the wealthy West End feel guilty or just scared.
- 7:26Speaker 2: A bit of both, I think, but mostly fear. The
- 7:28sources show this sudden, intense spotlight on the squalor in Whitechapel,
- 7:33but it wasn't really framed as oh, we need social reform.
- 7:36Speaker 1: It was more like panic panic that the darkness might spread.
- 7:40Speaker 2: Yeah, that the poverty, the depravity hitting away in the
- 7:43East End could somehow creep westwards. It really shook the
- 7:46empire's self image, a crisis of conscience maybe.
- 7:48Speaker 1: And you can't ignore the look of it all either,
- 7:50the visuals.
- 7:51Speaker 2: It's definitely not the fog, the gas light flickering on
- 7:54wet streets, the stark contrasts between you know, high society
- 7:58silk and utter destitution. It gave the whole thing this
- 8:01instant gothic, almost cinematic quality.
- 8:04Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a visual language that modern cases just don't have.
- 8:07Speaker 2: That gothic allure is unique. But here's where things get
- 8:10really crucial for the rippers fame. This horror story lands
- 8:13exactly when mass market, sensationless journalism is exploding, Ah.
- 8:18Speaker 1: The penny press. This is when newspapers stopped just reporting
- 8:22facts and started actively, you know, shaping the story totally.
- 8:25Speaker 2: We're talking about papers like The Star, the pal Mall.
- 8:28Speaker 1: Gazette reaching huge audiences for the first time exactly.
- 8:32Speaker 2: Printing got cheaper, so suddenly working class people could afford newspapers.
- 8:37And these papers discovered pretty quickly that fear sells boy does.
- 8:41Speaker 1: It self, so they started publishing really graphic.
- 8:44Speaker 2: Stuff, graphic sometimes totally made up accounts. They fueled speculation,
- 8:49kept the panic going practically hour by hour.
- 8:51Speaker 1: But how do they shape the story beyond just.
- 8:53Speaker 2: The gore by creating the brand? That's the key. The
- 8:57press needed something simple, something catchy, to hang all the
- 9:00fear onto. And then supposedly the first letter from the killer.
- 9:04Speaker 1: Arrives, the dear Boss letter.
- 9:06Speaker 2: Right, and the signature on that letter Jack the Ripper.
- 9:09The paper seized on it instantly.
- 9:10Speaker 1: Wow. So the media actually gave the killer his name,
- 9:13the name that stuck forever.
- 9:14Speaker 2: Pretty much, whether the letter was real or not, and
- 9:17many think it wasn't, the press ran with the name.
- 9:20It turned him from just some anonymous monster into a character,
- 9:24a cultural figure.
- 9:25Speaker 1: That act of naming, of branding him, that was the game.
- 9:29Speaker 2: Changer, absolutely critical. Our sources point to this as maybe
- 9:33the first time ever that a serial killer became this
- 9:36huge international media sensation. The name Jack the Ripper. It
- 9:40just instantly screamed danger, mystery, menace. It's at the template
- 9:44for how the media covers crime really right up to today.
- 9:47Speaker 1: That's incredible. The media didn't just report the story, they
- 9:50essentially created the icon. They needed a villain for their narrative,
- 9:54and the Killer's brutality and evasion gave them the perfect
- 9:57sellable monster.
- 9:58Speaker 2: So if we shift now to this sort of psychological
- 10:01side of it, why it still grips us that power
- 10:04of anonymity. It's probably the single biggest factor keeping the
- 10:07Ripper legend.
- 10:07Speaker 1: Alive because he just vanished, vanished.
- 10:10Speaker 2: Without a trace. No one has ever been definitively identified.
- 10:13Speaker 1: Which means he's not really a historical person, is he.
- 10:15He's more like a blank slate, exactly.
- 10:18Speaker 2: A blank slate for us to project onto. We fill
- 10:21that void with our own fears, our own theories. He
- 10:24becomes whatever we imagine the worst kind of evil to be.
- 10:27Speaker 1: And that projection it was fueled by those letters, right,
- 10:30the ones supposedly from the kill.
- 10:31Speaker 2: Was actively stoked by them.
- 10:33Speaker 1: Yeah, those taunting communications became legendary. Hundreds of letters poured
- 10:37into newspapers, police stations. It created this bizarre public dialogue
- 10:42between the monster and the city.
- 10:44Speaker 2: But hang on, didn't investigators figure out pretty quickly that
- 10:46most of those were fakes, like journalists or just cruel pranksters.
- 10:51Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, the vast majority were hoax Is no question. Yeah,
- 10:54but did that stop the press? Not likely, not a chance,
- 10:57real or fake. They were amazing headlines, sensationalism gold. But
- 11:02two pieces of mail really stand out for their impact,
- 11:05genuine or not.
- 11:06Speaker 2: The Deer Boss letter which gave in the name.
- 11:08Speaker 1: And the from Hell letter.
- 11:09Speaker 2: Ah. Yeah, that's the one that really cemented the image
- 11:12of this cold, calculating monster because it.
- 11:15Speaker 1: Came with half a human kidney.
- 11:17Speaker 2: Yeah, the sources confirmed this was the most visceral, the
- 11:20most terrifying communication. The writer claimed the kidney was from
- 11:23Catherine Edo's. One of the victims said he'd fried and
- 11:26eat it.
- 11:27Speaker 1: That's just beyond physical violence, it's psychological torture completely.
- 11:31Speaker 2: It implied calculation, keeping trophies, a total lack of humanity,
- 11:36a grotesque level of contempt.
- 11:38Speaker 1: And that act, real or not, it elevated the ripper,
- 11:40didn't it From just a local menace to this symbol
- 11:45of chaos, the ultimate unknown.
- 11:47Speaker 2: Taps right into that primal fear. We have the sophisticated
- 11:50predator hiding in plain sight.
- 11:52Speaker 1: And all of that, the fear of the mystery. The letters.
- 11:54It eventually led to this whole field and study, righty yiparology.
- 11:58Speaker 2: Yeah, that whole dedicated subculture, amateur sleuths, professional historians, people
- 12:03who've spent decades, lifetimes even trying to crack this one
- 12:07hundred and thirty plus year old cold case.
- 12:09Speaker 1: What do ripperologists actually do well?
- 12:12Speaker 2: They meticulously come through everything that survives old victorian police files,
- 12:16newspaper archives from eighteen eighty eight, parish records, health records,
- 12:19coroners reports, anything they can find.
- 12:22Speaker 1: So it's like this endless historical detective.
- 12:25Speaker 2: Work, perpetual detection, and that's what keeps the case alive
- 12:28in public discussion. Every time some researcher finds a forgotten
- 12:32memo or proposes a new angle on an old suspect, Boom,
- 12:36the whole Ripper story gets dragged back into the spotlight.
- 12:39Speaker 1: And popular culture keeps recycling it too.
- 12:41Speaker 2: Constantly, you see the Ripper pop up everywhere, early stage flays, novels, movies.
- 12:46Alan Moore's graphic novel From Hell is a huge one.
- 12:49Speaker 1: The film adaptation too.
- 12:50Speaker 2: Right, The story just gets retold and reimagined again and again.
- 12:54It never gets a chance to just settle down and
- 12:56become purely history. It stays active.
- 12:58Speaker 1: Okay, So it's clear the rip holds this really unique position.
- 13:02But let's make those comparisons concrete. The sources seem pretty clear.
- 13:05Other cases are awful, yeah, and fascinating, but none really
- 13:09matched the Ripper, not in scope, not in how long
- 13:12it's lasted, not in just global cultural impact. It's like
- 13:15the Ripper case didn't just happen. It wrote the rule
- 13:18book for how we mythologize serial killers.
- 13:21Speaker 2: Yeah, you can really see that template when you compare
- 13:23it to cases that have some of the same elements
- 13:25but just don't quite hit that same perfect storm.
- 13:27Speaker 1: Where should we start? Black Dahlia probably America's most famous
- 13:31single unsolved killing.
- 13:33Speaker 2: Good place to start. Elizabeth Short nineteen forty seven, Los Angeles.
- 13:38Speaker 1: Horrific crime, brutal body cut in half, drained of blood,
- 13:42that awful Glasgow smile carved on her face, the sheer horror,
- 13:47the media frenzy. It feels similar to the Ripper.
- 13:51Speaker 2: Initially, the parallels are definitely there. Sensationalist press check the
- 13:56only newspapers went wild with the tragic story of this
- 13:58young woman wanting to be a stre But there's a
- 14:01key difference in the structure.
- 14:02Speaker 1: It was just one murder, one victim.
- 14:04Speaker 2: Awful, yes, but a single murder just doesn't create the
- 14:06same level of sustained panic, the same mythological weight as
- 14:10the Ripper's series of attacks over those two intense months.
- 14:13Speaker 1: And the whole vibe is different to the esthetic totally.
- 14:17Speaker 2: Ripper is Victorian London Gothic fog, universal fear. Black Dahlia
- 14:21is pure twentieth century l a noir, Hollywood glamour gone wrong.
- 14:26It's iconic in the US, definitely, but that noir setting
- 14:29doesn't have the same kind of timeless global dread as
- 14:32the Ripper's London.
- 14:33Speaker 1: Okay. Next up the Zodiac Killer California, late sixties, early seventies,
- 14:38maybe the closest modern parallel in terms of playing games
- 14:41with the media.
- 14:42Speaker 2: Very close in that respect. Zodiac claimed five definite victims,
- 14:46bragged about maybe dozens more, Just like the Ripper or
- 14:48whoever wrote those letters. He used letters and codes to
- 14:51taunt the police and the press.
- 14:52Speaker 1: He wanted fame through fear, just like the Ripper narrative suggests.
- 14:56Speaker 2: He absolutely did. But Zodiac added that extra layer the
- 15:00cipher codes.
- 15:01Speaker 1: Yeah, some still unsolved.
- 15:02Speaker 2: Today, right, which adds this kind of intellectual puzzle element.
- 15:05Maybe that the loops, the raw gut level fear slightly
- 15:09compared to the Ripper, and his victims were different too,
- 15:11often young couples in lonely places, not necessarily the most
- 15:14vulnerable poor in a crowded city.
- 15:16Speaker 1: But the biggest difference has to be the era right
- 15:19Zodiac was modern.
- 15:20Speaker 2: Crucial difference. Zodiac operated in an age with much better forensics,
- 15:24even if they were basic by today's standards, So his
- 15:27ability to evade capture feels more frustrating, more like a
- 15:32failure of the system.
- 15:33Speaker 1: Whereas the Ripper getting away while is eighteen eighty eight,
- 15:36you can almost excuse it because the technology just wasn't there.
- 15:39Speaker 2: That's a really key insight. The Ripper's escape feels almost
- 15:42understandable given the limitations. The Zodiac's escape, despite dedicated task
- 15:47sources and modern techniques, feels harder to explain. It makes
- 15:51it harder to build him into that perfect, almost supernatural
- 15:54monster figure.
- 15:54Speaker 1: So even though Zodiac inspired movies and books, the cultural
- 15:58impact feels narrower more for true crime.
- 16:02Speaker 2: Fans generally, yeah primarily North American focus doesn't have that
- 16:05same global historical weight as the Ribber.
- 16:07Speaker 1: Okay, one more comparison, a case that had the brutality
- 16:10the victim type, but just didn't hit the big time.
- 16:13The Cleveland Torso murders.
- 16:14Speaker 2: Ah, the Kingsbury Run murders nineteen thirty five to nineteen
- 16:17thirty eight, truly gruesome.
- 16:19Speaker 1: At least twelve bodies right yeah, dismembered, totapitated found in Cleveland.
- 16:23Victims were marginalized people, transient sex workers very similar to
- 16:26the Rippers.
- 16:27Speaker 2: Victims, very similar profile, and somebodies even showed signs of
- 16:32chemical treatment. Plus it was investigated by elliot ness.
- 16:35Speaker 1: Wow, so you've got the horror, lots of victims, similar victimology,
- 16:40even a famous cop on the case. Why isn't the
- 16:43Cleveland Torso murderer as famous as Jack the Ripper?
- 16:47Speaker 2: This case really highlights how important that media branding is.
- 16:51The Cleveland killer he never got a catchy name, No.
- 16:55Speaker 1: Torso terror or Kingsbury cutter.
- 16:57Speaker 2: That's stuck, nothing that caught on globally like Jack the
- 17:00Ripper or even Zodiac and no letters, crucially, no taunting
- 17:04letters to the press or police. Without that direct communication,
- 17:08the killer couldn't shape the narrative, couldn't become this interactive
- 17:11figure of dread. The crimes were horrifying, infamous, locally, but
- 17:15without the median aim and the taunting, it just lacked
- 17:17the ingredients to become this enduring global myth.
- 17:20Speaker 1: So Ripper stays on top because it had everything. The brutality,
- 17:23the timing with social change, the explosion of the sensationalist
- 17:26press right then, and the lack of nineteenth century tech
- 17:29meant he got away clean, the perfect unsolved storm.
- 17:32Speaker 2: And that lack of closure means the debate never stops.
- 17:36The sheer number of theories is what keeps the case
- 17:39constantly simmering. Sources say, what over one hundred different suspects
- 17:44proposed since eighteen eighty eight.
- 17:45Speaker 1: Over one hundred. That alone guarantees it stays alive. The
- 17:48mystery just keeps feeding itself exactly. Okay, let's get into
- 17:52some of those main suspects, because that hunt for an answer,
- 17:56that need for closure, it's a huge part of ripperology.
- 18:00Starting with the name that caused a big stir relatively recently,
- 18:03Aaron Cosminsky.
- 18:05Speaker 2: Right. Cosminsky. He was a Polish Jewish immigrant, lived in Whitechapel,
- 18:09worked as a barber. He was actually committed to an
- 18:10asylum not long after the murder stopped.
- 18:12Speaker 1: And he was already a suspect back in the day,
- 18:14wasn't he?
- 18:15Speaker 2: In police files he was mentioned as being identified by
- 18:18a witness, but that witness apparently refused to testify against him.
- 18:22But his name really blew up again in twenty fourteen
- 18:24because of that controversial DNA study.
- 18:26Speaker 1: Ah, Yes, the shawl claimed they found DNA linking Cosminsky
- 18:30to a shawl supposedly from Catherine Edo's. But you called
- 18:33it controversial. Why why don't historians and scientists just accept it?
- 18:38Speaker 2: Well, the criticism focuses almost entirely on the shawl itself
- 18:41and the DNA methods. First, the shawl's history its providence
- 18:46is incredibly shaky. It was supposedly taken from the crime scene,
- 18:50but it wasn't stored as evidence. It passed through private
- 18:53hands for over a.
- 18:54Speaker 1: Century, So contamination risk.
- 18:56Speaker 2: Massive contamination risk. Think of how many people might have
- 18:59handled it. Second, the DNA analysis used mitochondrial DNA or mtDNA.
- 19:04Speaker 1: Which isn't unique like nuclear DNA exactly.
- 19:07Speaker 2: mtDNA craises maternal lineage. It could potentially match thousands of people,
- 19:11not just one specific individual. And then the full DNA
- 19:15sequences weren't published initially for other scientists to properly scrutinize.
- 19:18Speaker 1: So scientifically speaking, it's just not solid proof.
- 19:22Speaker 2: The consensus is fascinating, maybe suggestive, but absolutely do not
- 19:26conclusive proof. Far too many questions about contamination and the
- 19:29limitations of mtDNA.
- 19:30Speaker 1: Which of course just throws fuelback on the fire. The
- 19:32debate restarts instead of ending. Okay, who else is a
- 19:35major historical contender?
- 19:37Speaker 2: Another name that comes up a lot straight from police
- 19:39documents of the time is Montague drew It.
- 19:42Speaker 1: Montague drew It. He was a barrister, a school teacher right.
- 19:45Speaker 2: And crucially, his body was found drowned in the River
- 19:48Thames in late November eighteen eighty eight, very shortly after
- 19:51Mary Jane Kelly, the last canonical victim, was murdered.
- 19:55Speaker 1: What made the police suspect him back then?
- 19:58Speaker 2: He was specifically named at a confidence memo written years
- 20:01later by a high ranking police official, Assistant Chief Constable
- 20:05Melville McNaughton. McNaughton pointed to Drewet's supposed mental instability and
- 20:11most importantly, the timing his death coincided almost exactly with
- 20:15the killing stopping.
- 20:16Speaker 1: But the evidence was all circumstantial.
- 20:18Speaker 2: Entirely circumstantial location, timing, alleged instability, but the fact that
- 20:24a top cop warned him gives the theory historical weight.
- 20:27It keeps Drewett firmly in the Ripper discussion.
- 20:30Speaker 1: Okay, moving into theories that are maybe more out there
- 20:33but still persistent, we have to mention the artist Walter
- 20:36Sickert Ah Sickart.
- 20:38Speaker 2: Yeah, that theory got huge publicity, thinks of the crime
- 20:40novelist Patricia Cornwell. She really pushed it hard.
- 20:43Speaker 1: Her argument was based on his paintings and letters.
- 20:46Speaker 2: Yeah. She argued his dark, moody paintings held coded confessions,
- 20:50and she tried to link his handwriting and even paper
- 20:53water marks to the Ripper letters. Claimed his art revealed
- 20:56his guilt.
- 20:56Speaker 1: But sources say historians pretty much dismissed this one.
- 20:59Speaker 2: Why Well, mainly because there's just no hard historical evidence
- 21:04connecting sicret to the actual crimes. Critics argue Cornwell misinterpreted
- 21:09artistic themes, stretched circumstantial links way too far, and relied
- 21:14on evidence that just wasn't verifiable.
- 21:16Speaker 1: The theory hangs around.
- 21:18Speaker 2: It does, probably because it fits that appealing narrative of
- 21:21the killer being someone sophisticated. Maybe artistic hiding a dark secret.
- 21:26It taps into that same vein as the anatomical knowledge idea.
- 21:29Speaker 1: And then there's the ultimate Ripper conspiracy theory, the royal
- 21:32connection Prince Albert Victor, Queen Victoria's grandson.
- 21:36Speaker 2: Right the most sensational and easily the most debunked theory.
- 21:40It usually involves variations. Either the Prince was the ripper,
- 21:43driven mad by syphilis maybe, or the murders were done
- 21:46by others to cover up some scandal involving.
- 21:48Speaker 1: Him, like a secret marriage to a commoner or something
- 21:50like that.
- 21:51Speaker 2: Exactly stories involving blackmail, freemasons, the highest levels of government
- 21:56covering things up. It's got everything for a great conspiracy story.
- 22:00Speaker 1: It definitely taps into that idea of the killer being powerful, untouchable,
- 22:04protected by the establishment.
- 22:06Speaker 2: That's the appeal. But serious historians they've thoroughly debunked it.
- 22:10They can place Prince Albert Victor elsewhere documented locations on
- 22:14the dates of several of the murders. There's just no
- 22:16credible evidence.
- 22:17Speaker 1: But the fact that the suspect list can stretch all
- 22:20the way from a poor immigrant barber in Whitechapel to
- 22:23the Queen's own grandson. That huge range just shows why
- 22:27the mystery is fundamentally uncrackable. It keeps regenerating interest because
- 22:32the possibilities seem almost endless.
- 22:34Speaker 2: So when you pull it all together, all these factors,
- 22:36the reason the Ripper still fascinates us. It really seems
- 22:38to be this perfect storm, a mix of historical timing
- 22:41and just deep seated human psychology.
- 22:44Speaker 1: Yeah, number one has to be that basic human need
- 22:46for answers, for closure. Our brains just hate leaving a
- 22:49puzzle unsolved.
- 22:50Speaker 2: We did test that gap in the.
- 22:52Speaker 1: Story, right, So when a case like the Ripper ends
- 22:55so violently, so abruptly, with this giant question mark just
- 22:59hanging there forever, we can't help but try to fill
- 23:02it with theories, with stories, with this constant search for
- 23:06the answer.
- 23:07Speaker 2: And these big unsolved mysteries, they always end up reflecting
- 23:10something about the society they happened, and don't.
- 23:12Speaker 1: They Absolutely, the Ripper case, maybe more than any other,
- 23:16just drag the dark side of Victorian London into the light,
- 23:20That institutional neglect of the poor, the hypocrisy.
- 23:23Speaker 2: Yeah, the crime forced society back then to face really
- 23:26uncomfortable questions about justice, about class, about how vulnerable women
- 23:31were treated.
- 23:31Speaker 1: And it was the media catching fire right at that moment,
- 23:34that took this local tragedy and blasted it into this
- 23:38enduring global legend.
- 23:39Speaker 2: From those nineteenth century newspapers creating the Jack the Ripper
- 23:42brand right up to today's true crime podcasts and documentaries.
- 23:46Unsolved mysteries are just irresistible content, and the Ripper is
- 23:49the original, the archetype and psychologically that idea of the
- 23:53faceless killer, the anonymous predator. It taps into our deepest fears,
- 23:57doesn't it. The monster hiding.
- 23:59Speaker 1: Among us, the ultimate it's bogey man.
- 24:01Speaker 2: He represents that hidden evil, someone capable of the worst
- 24:04acts imaginal, but who can just blend back into the crowd.
- 24:07That's terrifying. It's the ultimate expression of that Victorian dread,
- 24:12the darkness lurking just beneath the civilized surface.
- 24:15Speaker 1: So what strikes me pulling it all together, is that
- 24:18the Ripper is the gold standard. Yeah, but not just
- 24:20because of the whore. It's because he was first. He
- 24:22had that unique historical moment, the media explosion and the
- 24:26mystery guaranteed by the lack of technology.
- 24:29Speaker 2: Precisely, he established the pattern. Cases like the Dahlia or Zodiac.
- 24:34They inherited parts of that pattern, the media frenzy, the anonymity,
- 24:37but they didn't have that same perfect convergence. Yeah, that
- 24:40specific gothic setting right at the dawn of mass media,
- 24:43that is unique to The Ripper.
- 24:45Speaker 1: Okay, so the final takeaway here, Jack the Ripper isn't
- 24:48just some old crime story. It's really a foundational cultural moment.
- 24:52It created the serial killer archetype as we know, It
- 24:55set the stage for media driven crime reporting, and maybe
- 24:58even fueled our whole ongoing obsession with true crime.
- 25:02Speaker 2: The impact is huge. Yeah, the Ripper's legacy, it kind
- 25:05of forces every new generation to think about the limits
- 25:08of justice, the possibility of ultimate evil escaping completely. The
- 25:12fact that the most infamous villain of that average is vanished.
- 25:16That's a scary idea that ensures will probably never stop
- 25:18talking about him or being scared by him.
- 25:20Speaker 1: Which leaves us with the final thought for you, the listener,
- 25:23to consider. We know the technology back in eighteen eighty
- 25:25eight made solving the case incredibly difficult, maybe impossible. It
- 25:29was a failure of the tools available. So you have
- 25:31to wonder would the fascination be quite the same if
- 25:34it happened today, or is it precisely that lack of
- 25:38closure that fundamental, inescapable mystery of him just disappearing, is
- 25:42that the real secret to his enduring hunting power