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DMT | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #27 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian we've
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  podcast. Today's guest is hailing all the
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  way from Austin Texas. I got the town right?
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  It right there. I knew I was gonna get that
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  wrong but Austin Texas all the way Stateside.
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  His he goes by the name DMT or DMT realist on all of his social
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  media platforms. And he is most importantly a
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  solo musician. He describes himself as a punk
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  rap vocalist. First, we're gonna get into this
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  even more so, but basically a wrapper and music Creator all
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  the way from the United States. So, hello, and welcome to the
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  show. How you doing, howdy?
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  Howdy I'm doing fantastic so it's a beautiful morning in
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  Austin Texas, right? Yeah, that thanks.
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  By the way, for agreeing to do this at such an early time.
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  I'll explain whenever I do some of these podcast with certain
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  people from America, in certain States, obviously you have to
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  factor in the time. Indifference.
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  And I always try and do it at a reasonable time, but of course,
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  if it's too late for me as well, I'll be drained.
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  So it's kind of that trying to find that healthy balance
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  between the two locally with me though.
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  Like honestly, it could have been any time.
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  And I would have been down, you know, I made it work for you, I
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  believe you and based, based on what I've seen in my research,
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  and just like, looking at you and your friends at everything,
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  I do genuinely believe that, but at the same time, like I do feel
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  that, like Everyone has those points where they're most kind
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  of like at their Peak best, you know?
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  I mean of course and I appreciate you giving me that I
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  could time frame. It's you say, for me, I've done
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  podcasts, like quite late at night before and I the only way
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  I can get through that is by just having a ton of coffee,
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  which it is. He's fine.
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  But it means this is the massive problem afterwards.
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  So, I just have like this, I can't sleep and I'm like totally
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  screwed from that point onwards, I can't drink coffee.
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  I get to jittery hike have ADHD so I just I'm just always
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  naturally going. So what do you okay?
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  So like right now, yeah, you're waking up right now.
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  So what do you have to kind of just like, start the morning
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  aside from what we can see you're having right now, but
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  what wakes you up? Well nowadays my girlfriend,
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  then my person, she girlfriend makes you because she goes to
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  work and you know she tells me if I need to clean the house or
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  not or something or like what we're doing later or she asked
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  me what I'm doing. Incidentally, I'm going to the
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  airport today. Make up one of my Group members
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  mother-in-law's from the airport bring her.
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  So that's my only mission for today but like but in terms of
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  like actually just you know waking up and just because like
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  everyone needs something like for me it's I have to have the
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  coffee otherwise for some reason and I'm probably addicted to it.
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  I don't know but like I just can't get the brain.
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  You know, working okay. Oh wow.
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  Well they go, I need you. Are you in Texas right now?
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  Are you staying elsewhere? No, I'm in Texas right now is
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  technically legal in Austin. Okay, explain, because our
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  police chief made us a public statement saying he wasn't going
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  to make any arrests or give any tickets for under four ounces
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  and he hasn't so far. Like, they've been doing really
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  good. This is what confuses me about
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  the states, because I know that and I actually weirdly I did,
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  some people don't know this. But sometimes when I freelance
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  and do marketing work, I'll end up doing articles for a bunch of
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  different things. And, at one point, I actually
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  did articles about cannabis legalization, I think it was
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  because I was doing articles on like, CBD and stuff.
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  So, there was some crossover there and it meant that I had to
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  look at like where it's legal in the states.
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  So I saw Luke to this map and it's very confusing because it
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  kind of implies that the majority of States it's either
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  It's not many like fully legal. There's probably like maybe,
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  yes, only like 7 to 10 that I like purely legal, and then
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  loads of these ones that are like conditional.
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  So it's like, oh, it's legal. If you have a medical condition
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  or it's legal, as you say, like, in certain amounts and
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  quantities, and this is very confusing and It's Tricky as
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  well because like, if you have a situation where like, I don't
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  know, you're just temporarily go into another state and you just
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  happen to have some weed on you like that, could be the
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  difference between like you don't just happen to have We
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  done here that's a bit. Maybe you just have like a tiny
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  bit or something. Did anybody not like not know
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  that you have it and then go into a really strict state?
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  But luckily, like honestly like we I've been a lot of places
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  locally. The places I have been have at
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  least been medically your own legalized so you know, like
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  nobody really cares. Fair play.
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  I mean, I suppose it's like you said think it's crazy syntek,
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  right? But I suppose it is largely
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  dependent on the state, you're in.
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  And like you said, like knowing the lord, it's largely depended
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  on the city like, oh, okay, Mike, is it goes, It goes three
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  different chains, like you got federal government, state,
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  government, municipal government.
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  We're all able to make our own little Lon.
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  Was that so confusing like yeah, it's hard man.
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  It's it. I hate it.
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  Honestly, I hate this system. She must have to like, really
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  know your laws. Then like oh yeah, every every
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  everywhere we go, we're looking we're getting on Reddit.
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  We're like looking up the weed laws like seeing what we can get
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  away with like she has no matter what it's going to sound like a
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  real pain in the ass. But like again I still think
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  there's like these potentials of just like accidents happening.
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  The alike, very small time things that you just couldn't
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  foresee, you know, like for example what I meant before was
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  like let's say you have like just like a joint or something
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  or like some residue or something like very engine on a
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  Moonlight and the police decide, okay?
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  Like they're just going to do like a routine search or they
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  just don't like I don't like the look of you and they search you
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  and then they bust you on that. And it's like mean because I can
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  understand to some extent like the intent to, to sell, but even
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  in the UK, It's very unclear because we have this thing where
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  it's a Class A, or Class, B, or Class C.
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  And we'd just general, cannabis, sort of moves freely between
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  those every couple of years. So, in terms of whether or not
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  you get arrested for it, is largely dependent on the
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  government and the laws at that particular time.
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  But like it really depends on who's arresting you as well.
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  Did, I mean, like, some people might be like, there's nothing,
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  whatever. And other people would be like,
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  no, you Trying to sell with the tiniest smallest amount.
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  I've gotten extremely lucky with my cop, encounters and marijuana
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  like here in Texas because back then the conversation.
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  One wasn't as big. So I like we wasn't legal here.
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  CBD wasn't like him poison. Even legal here and like just in
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  2019, it became legal. Wow.
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  Okay. That's very recent then.
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  Yeah. So why I sell CBD?
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  I got I'm a shaman and basically if we as of August 2nd, we can't
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  even sell Bud. Now, I can't, we can't sell it
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  as a smokable, but we can sell it as t or a, or a cooking
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  material, but to do it just confuses me.
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  It's like even make it legal or don't make it legal.
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  What the hell is this? All we can have.
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  It is like this form but can't have it in this form is like a
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  crazy taxes are so high. Texas is one of the five main
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  agriculturist states in the United States hemp and
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  marijuana. If you look at the revenue that
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  California, if you look at what they're doing, organ, whatever
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  are immaculately changing their economy would just we'd like
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  it's papers, you know, like textiles in general like know
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  you can use it for T. You can use of just He's
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  forgetting high and then it has medicinal purposes.
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  Well, like an all-around wonder drug, you know, the I've always
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  been very Pro cannabis, to be honest.
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  I mean, you know, like, I think in comparison with like alcohol,
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  for example, you know, it's been proven time and time again, that
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  it's far more detrimental to be, you know, regularly consuming
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  alcohol as opposed to wheat. But then again, it does kind of
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  depend on individual reactions to certain drugs as well.
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  Like how the brain. Chemistry works and how people
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  respond to it and such I think I'm gone.
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  I need your perspective on something.
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  Since you're from the Lou you'd say you're from the UK.
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  Yes. So over here in America whenever
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  we're talking about like marijuana legalization, it's
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  brought up that the tobacco and alcohol companies and industries
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  have suppressed ability for cannabis to be Because they
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  would lose sales. Have you heard that?
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  Yeah, I think that's very logical.
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  I agree that that's probably why.
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  I mean, because there's many, there's many people in the UK
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  that say that, you know, the only reason the Cannabis is not
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  legal is that they just haven't found a way to tax it, but soon
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  as they do that, then obviously, the government can make money
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  off of it. And, you know, I mean, I think
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  that there is like a very, very slow push in the form of, like,
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  you know, CBD is legal. So I feel that that's like the
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  entry level and very Slowly, we might get to the point where
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  it's like, you know, kind of as is legal, but I think it's a
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  bigger considerate and this is going into conspiracy a little
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  bit, but I think it's like the government always wants you to
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  have their drugs. No, no.
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  Thank your own drugs. Like if you're growing your own
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  stuff, then there's a problem. So it's not even really about
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  the drug. It's about like, you know, and I
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  think it's the same in the state such as I was reading an article
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  the other day about, like, things like you can't collect
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  your own like Rainwater. In in the states.
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  As an example, there are some states that don't want to do
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  them. Also, there are some that do
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  then area here in Texas. It's actually a really big
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  entrepreneurship, like it's a big thing over here, especially
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  in the area that I'm in. Because we have so many
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  estuaries and like, like our land naturally curved collects
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  rain and holds it like it. I'm assuming agent Sparks the
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  idea. Anyways, you know, we have tons
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  of businesses, That are like rainwater collection companies
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  and they'll just come and step your system and it's super
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  efficient like I've lived on three properties that had it.
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  It's awesome. I get so efficient, there's get
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  me for me. I think the bigger issue is all
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  like the biggest consideration in this is it's just about
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  people having the freedom to kind of, you know, if they want
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  to live somewhere remotely off the land off their own systems
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  and stuff like you see, I see sometimes there are people that
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  are like Like I saw a guy I think he's like a twitch
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  streamer in the state's who rides around in his own like
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  minibus kind of thing that solar powered and everything.
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  And I'm just looking at this like man.
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  That's that's that's how you want to live your life right
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  there. I was rocking out of the van for
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  a second. It was a my Instagram, you'll
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  see some pictures that like we renovated van during the
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  protest. We kind of had like a punk house
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  thing going on so like, you know, Stay there.
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  If you were, you know, helping out and like big stuff with the
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  band because I'm a part of two different groups.
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  So, I ATX flow down, which is the Jazz Band, it's all improv
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  and like, so I get up there freestyle rap freestyle sing,
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  like just like head and the band behind me is, you know, just
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  going hard just jamming out like they, they do take like
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  standards from like jazz samples and stuff.
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  Actually turn it into a free. Hip hop beat you.
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  And, and actually that brings us quite nicely into into your
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  music. But before we kind of, because
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  this is the kind of thing that, and this is why I said to you
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  beforehand, why it was interesting and why I found this
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  like you as a very interesting person because a lot of
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  musicians that I've interviewed or people that have met is very
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  straight, up is like this is what I do, this is where you can
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  find me and of, right, but with you it's kind of trick it like
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  for instance, you just mentioned right there, that You've got
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  this kind of jazz outfit thing and like I was under the
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  impression that, okay, this is what I have written down.
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  So there is your solo stuff, which we're going to.
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  We're going to get into, right because you've literally just
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  dropped something recently. So we're going to we're going to
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  delve into that and go quite deep into that.
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  But you're part of this group called the ugly boy, click and
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  this is the thing, right? So I was looking at this and as
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  I do it's clearly like a band of some description or a group.
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  And then I started looking around My quick enough on music
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  working. It was the stuff and then I
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  might. Okay.
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  And then I look up another interview with you guys, from
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  about two years ago where you just sort of talking and
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  chilling and stuff. And I was like, I'm just I'm
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  really not getting the answer that I want and basically, I
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  guess what, my first question is to, you is, like, is the ugly,
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  boy? Click like a cur like a rap Clan
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  or something. I apologize.
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  I sound probably ancient in terms of my question, but Like
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  is it kind of like just a group of guys that I like
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  similar-minded and similar music?
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  Or do you actually create music together and if so where can we
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  actually find that music? Yeah love explain.
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  Oh boy click Yeah, let me know. Alright.
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  So ugly boy, click is a honky Rap Trio, rice.
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  We do make music together. We kind of have this idea that
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  we could never get famous alone. But for some reason, when all
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  three of us come together, like, it's just really easy.
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  Okay, people, people love our Charisma together, people just
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  Love the dynamic so much, it just like happens naturally.
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  Okay, I get that adamant of that.
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  But like, yeah, so so our music I music is a really weird
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  situation. So another thing is like, we
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  don't really care that much like, okay, like we're kind of
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  lazy about it and like like that's just kind of like one of
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  the Aesthetics of being ugly is just like kind of like not
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  caring that much because it's not that big of a deal.
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  Basically, all of our music is on SoundCloud.
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  I'll just go, but it could be on Spotify, iTunes, but it's okay
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  to be clear under the name. Ugly boy, click is possible to
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  find music by all three of you together.
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  Yes. Okay.
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  You're definitely going to have to send me a link to that
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  because I could not find that for the life and I tried, I
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  believe. That's right.
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  Like if you wake up are at on anything?
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  Yeah. On YouTube on like if you just
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  Google a wee boy, click like Instagram like you'll find
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  everything problem. See that's the thing.
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  I could only find your stuff. Mmm.
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  And which is fine, it's just that.
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  I was like, I was interested in kind of seeing what you guys do
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  together and in seeing how that differs with your solo stuff and
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  seeing the comes differences in between kind of thing.
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  So I would compare my solo stuff tomorrow.
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  Voice experimental like the punk rap metal rap stuff.
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  But like whenever I'm with only book click we kind of go for a
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  specific aesthetic. And yeah it's kind of like a sad
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  boy mad boy emo type thing and it's just like it's a good way
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  to talk about, you know, how you feel.
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  That's what a lot of our music is about is how we're feeling
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  and what we're going through a school, that's awesome.
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  I was mostly my music is about in general because like the
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  realest part of my name is like I like to give music from a
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  realist perspective so I just kind of put my myself on the
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  piece of paper I guess the text because I type too right?
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  Okay, okay. So like yeah, like I know all of
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  you guys operates on a solo basis as well.
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  Like you have your own things going on as well?
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  Directly. Technically, if I if I if I
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  could just explain the whole origin in just like I guess I
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  might have all your work quick. Yes, go, go for it.
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  Go for it. Please just to give you some to
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  give you some context. So I I went to school and
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  college station, Texas. Well, technically Bryan-College
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  Station. Got my associates in agriculture
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  and that's why I was there. And while I was there, I was
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  making music your, the name d real and that music was more
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  like radical government. Christian-based, like really
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  like the logical stuff. And like, I was just trying to
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  say some shit that would go over people's heads and like I
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  probably like a few hundred plays and like I would think
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  about it because I always knew that like that wasn't the music.
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  I know that would ever like give me big like that.
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  I was just like practicing essentially so as soon as I
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  graduated I came out to Austin and I was I deleted all my stuff
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  and I wasn't online for I'm like eight months and then like for
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  some reason I just like got it in me and I just wanted to make
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  music so I hit up my tour and we went and we started making
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  tracks and especially I won this competition.
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  That got me. This this slot at this venue
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  called scratch House downtown which closed now because covid
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  R.I.P but, Will this ended up hitting me up and saying he oh
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  you know I said I saw your video.
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  Can I come and film for you like film yourself so I was like,
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  yeah, of course, she likes my first set, I feel pretty cool.
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  Of course I want somebody there to film it.
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  That'd be awesome. So like I feel really like
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  really obligated to like get to know him for some reason.
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  So I just look up his music and I find this one song, Bad Girl.
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  and, Yeah, I really like it and I noticed that the very end of
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  the song. He leaves like a minute and a
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  half and a half of like the beach is riding out and I was
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  like, I could definitely put a verse on this and like make a
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  remix. So that's what we did and then
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  that song kind of blew up a little bit and then just like
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  had me and Cody we had a week where like it was like, We had
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  like, four shows like in one night and that night, we were
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  just like hitting these shows during our songs and like, in
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  hard and at the very last show, like they are like, what do we
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  call ya'll his like, At first, we were like just being
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  introduced individually and then like, at the end, it was like,
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  alright, what do we call ya'll? And could you just like, oh, we
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  would click and ugly stands for understand greatness.
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  Love yourself is to that. So it's just like about a
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  empowering people and making it not feel so ugly.
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  The world. I dig that.
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  That's a really cool. Message is cool.
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  I like that. I like that story as well.
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  That's so yeah. Thank you.
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  Yeah. It's a good story.
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  Honestly, we kind of broke up for a little bit Kody and I were
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  so Cody and I were living on this commune like outside of
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  Austin and the owner of the land was going through divorce and
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  the the Make his ex his lady took half the land, right?
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  And real. Like we were on the half that
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  she took and like a few other families and we all had to leave
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  and hit up this one girl because I also own a pet business.
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  I going home. Well yes I like a groom dogs and
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  take care of animals and stuff. Okay, now I love you.
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  Okay, your animal lover. So we're instantly friends.
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  Magnet like my dog is pregnant, it's a big deal.
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  And yeah the puppies ended up being like really overwhelming
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  and like got kicked out of the house and then I was homeless
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  with puppies. Oh no.
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  Okay, the shelter like the only no-kill shelter here in Austin,
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  like I took them all there. I was able to give one of them
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  away but basically I ended up homeless and dogwood Yes and
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  yeah, it was really sad so I was so pissed off that I just told
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  them that I was gonna do my own thing.
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  And yeah, Cody recently broke up with that girl and apologize to
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  me and we had, you know, we've had a lot of really good days
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  because like like these guys are legitimately like my Bros like
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  brothers. Like I've gone on tour with
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  them. I've gone all around the state.
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  Me and Willis we've actually gone out like we've got a Cali
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  together like on a really big tour and I was No, we were ugly
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  will click at the time. It was still like we were there,
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  you know, doing this shit together.
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  And yeah, I'm really glad that Cody came out of the Woodworks
• 24:03
  with this because like I said, we always thought that we could
• 24:07
  never do it on our own like, just come so easy.
• 24:10
  When we're all three doing it together.
• 24:12
  I don't think anyone. Truly duck gets to the top alone
• 24:15
  even if they're represented us, like, being a solo act or or
• 24:20
  whatever. The case may be, you always have
• 24:22
  people. Around you and you will work.
• 24:25
  Makes the Dream Work precisely. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:28
  I couldn't agree more. And like I think if nothing
• 24:30
  else, you know, it's like it's better, you learn from people,
• 24:35
  you grow with people. It's good to have people around
• 24:38
  you. That kind of like, we have this
• 24:40
  expression gasps you up, like, you know, you're good about
• 24:43
  yourself and stuff and vice versa.
• 24:46
  I feel like if you just celebrating on your own, it's a
• 24:48
  bit like the pressing. It's like, okay, great, but no
• 24:51
  one to share it with Buddy. I agree.
• 24:55
  I totally agree with that. That's exactly what I was
• 24:57
  feeling because like, I mean, my soul music, like my solo career
• 25:03
  was successful. I got a lot of fun.
• 25:06
  Like I went on, a lot of Tours and being xiety of not having to
• 25:10
  deal with the group was really nice.
• 25:12
  Like, you know, I'm not gonna lie like a good time and I am
• 25:15
  actually going on a national tour.
• 25:19
  In February and that's just going to be me and that's just
• 25:23
  something that I set up a while ago committed to it and they'll
• 25:29
  think a lot of time as well. Like it's good to have.
• 25:32
  If you're as part of the band it's good to have a solo outfit
• 25:35
  because it's just like there's always going to be ideas things
• 25:38
  that you don't meet with your contemporaries like Connor on a,
• 25:42
  not necessarily like a personal level but like a creatively,
• 25:44
  there's always going to be like creative differences.
• 25:46
  It's good to have a your own thing.
• 25:48
  Like okay, this is just anything that doesn't fit with this
• 25:51
  group, I'll put it in this. This would be my thing kind of
• 25:54
  thing. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:56
  And yeah. Coincidentally, the tour is a,
• 26:01
  you guys Juggalos are. Yeah.
• 26:05
  I know it's a Jaguar, can you explain this a little bit?
• 26:09
  Because I know very little about this.
• 26:11
  Like the only thing I know is that this term comes from the
• 26:15
  band, the rap group Insane, Clown Posse, I've got a correct.
• 26:19
  Yes, that's, that's the origins of it.
• 26:22
  They they in the cult following kind of became the Juggalos,
• 26:29
  right? Okay, basically, it's a whole
• 26:34
  genre, right? There's a whole category of
• 26:38
  Juggalo rappers and Juggalo fans who only listen to Juggalo rep.
• 26:44
  I would say, one of the kings of Juggalo rap would be like Nine
• 26:49
  like Juggalos love TEC-9 like he's a big deal and basically
• 26:57
  they're just like really supportive people like they're
• 27:00
  really nice people like they go hard and like the kind of crazy
• 27:03
  but like at the end of the day like there to show him love like
• 27:06
  it's really cool but what did like the defining
• 27:09
  characteristics that maker? Yeah.
• 27:12
  Juggalos kind of most most Juggalos paint their face you
• 27:16
  know they yeah. You know, they like to sit
• 27:21
  Faygo, they call each other ninjas.
• 27:25
  They they go hard and they show love Okay, cool.
• 27:30
  Well, yeah, this is totally going over my head.
• 27:34
  But like, it's interesting to learn about that.
• 27:37
  Yeah. They they're, they're, they're
• 27:40
  crazy crowd. That's what I'm.
• 27:42
  That's also about them but it's perfect for the marsh music, you
• 27:47
  know. Right.
• 27:48
  Right. Right.
• 27:49
  Right. Get ready to throw down the
• 27:52
  brain about to you. Like I got to say before I go on
• 27:56
  with my questions, I will say like to me it kind of Sounds
• 28:00
  like you and and the ugly boy click in general.
• 28:02
  Like it's like you have a very relaxed attitude to music and
• 28:08
  it's to me it sounds like you're kind of doing it.
• 28:10
  Yeah. For the love of the music which
• 28:11
  is obviously like the real reason everyone should be doing
• 28:14
  it. But like what I mean by that is
• 28:18
  that okay let's take the thing with with you getting filmed
• 28:23
  during that stuff right. It to me it kind of seems like
• 28:26
  you're more hands-off with your music in terms of Like the
• 28:30
  management of it. Shall we say, right?
• 28:32
  So your head is in, you know, making the music, playing the
• 28:37
  music being with your friends working together, that's where
• 28:41
  your head is at, right? So your head is not necessarily
• 28:43
  in the whole marketing of your stuff and like thinking like,
• 28:49
  yeah, I could do this with it and it will get more exposure or
• 28:51
  I could do this with it. And it would go.
• 28:53
  That like, is that accurate to say or no?
• 28:57
  Yeah, me personally, I I don't like to think about that stuff.
• 29:02
  Like, I could because I went to school for agriculture
• 29:06
  marketing, like I know how to Market.
• 29:08
  They got my that's where my pet service is so successful.
• 29:12
  Like I know what I'm doing? Yeah.
• 29:14
  Well, hopefully, but in terms of like, getting big online going
• 29:21
  viral like like making bad girl was like a huge like random
• 29:26
  thing like when that went viral like we're Just like I don't I
• 29:31
  didn't know what we did trying to create what we did after that
• 29:35
  point, you know, but like really never were able to.
• 29:39
  Well I wouldn't say that it's about to that but um, anyways
• 29:46
  will this is mostly the guy that likes to think like hey we need
• 29:50
  to get our stuff on Spotify, we need to hit up this person for
• 29:54
  promotion, we need to do that. So what else is the guy who
• 29:58
  talks in sends the Also, there's a lot of our marketing and
• 30:03
  dealing with Brands who want to go out with us because that's
• 30:07
  coming up. We're going to start with the
• 30:09
  few clothing brands. I think we have like three and
• 30:12
  then like we're ambassadors for a few more.
• 30:15
  Okay, cool, cool. Yeah.
• 30:17
  I mean, like, and he says, most of that of and yeah, I just, I
• 30:21
  just don't like to think about that shit because like I said, I
• 30:24
  have my own business. I still cvd like, I like to
• 30:27
  chill. I just I just want to make music
• 30:31
  at the end of the day and I think that's what was worrying
• 30:34
  about that stuff. Like I'm not going to worry
• 30:36
  about this. Yeah I think if anything it kind
• 30:40
  of works in your favor that you do that and what I mean by that
• 30:43
  is like you know most musicians yeah.
• 30:46
  Will either have a team working for them that are handling?
• 30:49
  This all they're doing themselves like it.
• 30:51
  I suppose. It depends where you're at in
• 30:52
  your career and such like for instance right now.
• 30:55
  It's not to do a music but I'm doing the literally everything
• 30:59
  for this podcast. Like everything and I'm like,
• 31:02
  looking at the increasing workload, like I need a team.
• 31:04
  I need, I need people to do like this, this this this and this,
• 31:07
  but it's the reason for that is obviously because I just can't
• 31:12
  do everything myself forever. You know, that's that's more
• 31:17
  like bore out of necessity rather than anything else but
• 31:22
  bring it back to you. Like I find this interesting
• 31:25
  because a like I said there's that Approach to things a
• 31:30
  different mindset and such. But also, you know, you guys
• 31:33
  have a very big following like your personal account has a big
• 31:36
  following on Instagram, the ugly boy, click has a big following,
• 31:41
  but then like for instance, like you have a small following on
• 31:43
  the YouTube, it's like there's a clear kind of like strategy in
• 31:50
  terms of like where you guys are most prevalent.
• 31:53
  It's like okay Instagram and SoundCloud is like where we're
• 31:55
  focusing our efforts and stuff mostly and then Live shows as
• 32:00
  well, obviously as a musician but like in terms of like where
• 32:05
  the focus point is, but I feel like and get back to my main
• 32:10
  point here is that I feel like it's almost like a strategy in
• 32:15
  of itself. It's like if you look at like
• 32:17
  your Instagram and then the ugly boy, click one.
• 32:21
  It's like, people are almost like buying into like a nice
• 32:24
  daheck or an idea or a lifestyle.
• 32:28
  Maybe is better better way of putting.
• 32:29
  Owning it and I think that is the biggest appeal about all of
• 32:33
  this. That's what fascinates me like,
• 32:35
  I'm like sitting there like our this is different.
• 32:37
  I haven't seen this but I've seen something similar to this
• 32:41
  as you real quick. How old are you just out of
• 32:43
  Interest role? 24:24 okay.
• 32:46
  Yeah because like to me, it's like something that like I have.
• 32:52
  I can connect with the music, but like I said, there's like a
• 32:55
  barrier. Like, I'm just too old, I'm a
• 32:57
  couple that I'm like, 27. So I just, I feel like there's a
• 32:59
  disconnect there, and the closest thing I can compare it
• 33:03
  to is, I have a younger brother who's about 14, 15 and we get on
• 33:08
  very well with, you know, we connect on a good level but
• 33:11
  like, there is a lot of stuff that I see him post where I'm
• 33:13
  like, what is I don't understand this.
• 33:15
  This is alien to me and it's interesting that you guys are
• 33:20
  like so mad. It is because that would imply
• 33:22
  that it's not even an age thing. It's more of a like I said like
• 33:26
  a lifestyle thing like a just a particular approach to life.
• 33:29
  I just find that really interesting especially in terms
• 33:33
  of the actual marketing of you guys but not so much about the
• 33:39
  business side that more just just the presentation I guess is
• 33:43
  more what I'm getting at. I mean I like to look at it from
• 33:46
  a sociological perspective, you know, like I'm definitely in her
• 33:51
  able to understand the crowd and see what they want, you know?
• 33:56
  But I would say the ideals that we boy could try to push our
• 34:03
  very wholesome, very meaningful and definitely very real, you
• 34:09
  know, everybody should want to feel like that everybody should
• 34:11
  want to. You know, love themselves.
• 34:15
  The only the only way to understand greatness is to love
• 34:18
  yourself like if to understand. So basically yeah, like if you
• 34:30
  honestly, it wasn't intentional to keep it all on Instagram and
• 34:34
  SoundCloud, we just for some reason, like I said, like
• 34:39
  whenever I came back to Austin, like I started my like that
• 34:43
  account is probably only three and do, like, I had just became
• 34:50
  DMT like I think like, in March of 2018, and So, basically, like
• 35:02
  we were just posting on Instagram and then like Cody was
• 35:07
  getting like 200 likes on average and it was just because
• 35:10
  he had like the aesthetic and I'm like, I kind of figured out
• 35:14
  how he uses Instagram. And then like, I started doing
• 35:17
  it that way. I started like really watching
• 35:20
  Instagram videos, like how to get followers and how do I, you
• 35:23
  know, like I was doing a lot of like research on social media
• 35:28
  But we just focused a lot on Instagram.
• 35:34
  And obviously, I we can't figure out how to get YouTube
• 35:38
  followers. We can't figure out how to get
• 35:40
  our Instagram followers, to go to our YouTube, and watch our
• 35:43
  amvs and stuff. Because, I mean, honestly, even
• 35:47
  I find it arbitrary to watch music videos, you know, over and
• 35:51
  over again. Nowadays, like I'm not just
• 35:54
  gonna sit and watch music video. Like, I have apple music, like,
• 35:57
  I'm just down to my phone. That's it.
• 36:00
  It's over, you know, so like I would love to be At least that I
• 36:06
  guess is the word reachable like able to be downloaded like that
• 36:15
  and then not have to think about it but you know like for some
• 36:19
  reason like sound cloud makes it easy and with our following were
• 36:23
  able to you know, least get a thousand views neck.
• 36:27
  Like organically like that's satisfying, you know?
• 36:31
  Like yeah my great actually my Previous guests I had on the
• 36:35
  show, we were talking a little bit about like, you sort of
• 36:38
  like, when you're, when you have something that's working, you
• 36:40
  kind of you roll with it, you go with it, right?
• 36:42
  And I think, with, with marketing and light presenting
• 36:45
  yourself and such like, you know, I'm everywhere online as
• 36:48
  well. But like, I found that there are
• 36:50
  certain areas that do better than others, but also, you have
• 36:53
  to approach everything so differently.
• 36:55
  So that the way you approach Instagram is drastically
• 36:59
  different to YouTube and I felt like you won't always
• 37:02
  necessarily like have the same fan bases either.
• 37:05
  Like I feel like you know those people that do follow you on
• 37:08
  Instagram or find you through SoundCloud like you say they're
• 37:11
  not interested in watching music videos.
• 37:13
  Music videos are kind of a controversial book that I pass a
• 37:17
  thing. I don't think I really watch
• 37:19
  them anymore. Maybe it depends who's making
• 37:22
  them, what the purpose is, you know, I think like you're gonna
• 37:25
  watch, you're really famous person's music video Just to
• 37:27
  like, you know, see a real creative mind speak to me, you
• 37:33
  know, through a visual But like, honestly, I'm not going to watch
• 37:36
  my homeboys video, you know, I don't think it really depends
• 37:42
  for me. I mean, I'm interested if it's
• 37:43
  like political, like, like when Childish Gambino released his,
• 37:46
  his music video for this is America like that.
• 37:50
  Like that interests, you have to watch.
• 37:52
  You know, that's one night. I saw it once, you know, like at
• 37:55
  least but this is what I mean. Like that versus, I don't know,
• 37:59
  watching the latest Beyonce video, like you already know
• 38:03
  what to expect. There's I'm going to be anything
• 38:04
  like groundbreaking in that, so why should you bother like you
• 38:07
  might as well just listen? Listen on Spotify, I'll map or
• 38:10
  music or whatever. Like, you know, I've thought
• 38:12
  that about Beyonce I just gave that as an example.
• 38:17
  But yeah, I'm thinking of a specific memory anyway.
• 38:26
  I mean, I think you're killing it with regards to that.
• 38:28
  I mean anyone that isn't familiar with DMT, I recommend
• 38:31
  you go check out his Instagram, if nothing else.
• 38:34
  Because certainly, from a marketing perspective, the only
• 38:37
  reason I'm so fixated on that is just because I studied
• 38:39
  marketing, I just find that interesting on and on a level
• 38:44
  because like every post you make, you don't do it like all
• 38:47
  the time. You just you do it sparingly but
• 38:49
  when you do it, it gets like thousands of likes and that's
• 38:52
  the think there is like a fresh or there's a difference between
• 38:54
  like, you know, having some popular posts and then
• 38:57
  absolutely crushing it every time and that always implies
• 39:02
  like a, you say, Like a different kind of a specific
• 39:06
  approach that you've achieved through like studying in some
• 39:12
  shape or form or a particular strategy that works.
• 39:16
  But I feel like all of the social media platforms, you just
• 39:21
  have to figure out like, who your audiences, and then, once
• 39:25
  you've done that, you can just appeal to them in whatever way
• 39:29
  they like. Look at the way they communicate
• 39:31
  and then communicate in that same way.
• 39:35
  I really like for one long time ago, Never I was I was so like
• 39:43
  where I was learning how to be a dog trainer and cut hair and
• 39:47
  stuff. I was basically like a
• 39:50
  right-hand man for the guy who's running the business, and he
• 39:57
  taught me a lot about marketing. And one thing he put in my head
• 40:00
  was there's a market for everything.
• 40:03
  There's a mark like, no matter. If you can't find your market,
• 40:07
  then you're not a good businessman.
• 40:09
  Yes. You don't need a great.
• 40:11
  Yeah, like it was really good to work with him one-on-one
• 40:14
  because, yeah, I was really able to see how to make a business
• 40:18
  grow and like he had the funds to do it.
• 40:21
  But the thing is, the thing takes money and that's something
• 40:26
  that we don't have, which sucks because I know that if we had
• 40:32
  funds for Marketing in. Like I think crowdfund is the
• 40:40
  way to go for you guys based on your audience.
• 40:42
  That makes the most sense. We hate asking people.
• 40:49
  Yeah but you got to you got to look at it like in terms of what
• 40:51
  you're delivering because if it's just like hey guys can you
• 40:54
  give us some money? Because we're poor whole then
• 40:56
  that's not going to work. If it's like hey guys you know
• 41:02
  we need it to make like this. This music video or make this
• 41:05
  tour reality and you know people buy into that because they
• 41:09
  support as you like you said before they supporting an idea
• 41:12
  or something like that. And I know it sucks because I
• 41:15
  know what you're trying to say is just like it sucks.
• 41:18
  When you're yeah asking for money asking for material
• 41:21
  possessions and stuff but like just how our society Works in
• 41:25
  it. You need money to do anything.
• 41:27
  Like the only reason I have like this Mike I'm using right now is
• 41:30
  because of a donation from someone else who believed in me.
• 41:33
  And was like Hey I believe in you go nuts, do it and I was
• 41:38
  like holy fuck. And I've got like even more
• 41:40
  motivated than I previously was but yeah I get where you're
• 41:45
  coming. I'm not I don't like asking
• 41:47
  either. It just feels odd.
• 41:52
  We thought about it of course, like thought about it and like
• 41:57
  if it makes sense like and I've seen a lot of like GoFundMe
• 42:02
  these and And kickstarter's, like really pop off here in
• 42:06
  Austin. Like, for people, that I know
• 42:08
  personally, and like it's kind of kind of peer pressured me to
• 42:15
  want to do it even more but yeah, I don't know, at the end
• 42:22
  of the day, like, More satisfying to blow up and say we
• 42:27
  never spent a dime. I mean, I certainly think that's
• 42:32
  possible too because like I said, I don't I don't often come
• 42:35
  across musicians such as yourself so it's cool.
• 42:38
  There's something in that. That like I think these days
• 42:41
  when you consider like how over saturate, the music Market is,
• 42:46
  you know, being different being unique is the only thing that
• 42:50
  can really push you and make and not just that actually also
• 42:54
  being relatable. I being able to connect with
• 42:57
  people on some level. It's one thing to Just Produce
• 43:01
  music that people like, yeah, okay, that's good.
• 43:03
  Great. But like, actually being able to
• 43:06
  present something that everyone's like, yeah, I feel
• 43:08
  that I get that. I'm with that, that's me,
• 43:12
  whatever like that. Yeah, you know, I mean like when
• 43:14
  I look at my music taste over the years, I've said this a
• 43:17
  million times on the podcast but in terms of our particular
• 43:21
  conversation, music was always kind of represented particular
• 43:26
  moments in my life and certain like, This was me, then this is
• 43:31
  me now, blah blah blah. And that's why.
• 43:33
  Like, I don't, listen, I can, I can still listen to music.
• 43:36
  I used to listen to, but it feels kind of odd because it's
• 43:39
  not really like, okay? Like for example, I used to
• 43:42
  listen to like a lot of like, metal and rock and stuff like
• 43:45
  that when I was growing up, because I was just really pissed
• 43:48
  off. Angry.
• 43:49
  Teenager like I just had so much shit going on and I was like
• 43:52
  fuck the world. So it made sense to listen to
• 43:55
  like Slayer and Lamb of God and all that right.
• 43:58
  But know what I listen to it looks like I love it, but it's
• 44:01
  like, I'm not angry. I'm very happy like, I'd
• 44:06
  appreciate it. Ya know, I always appreciated
• 44:09
  it. Like yeah, I think when I became
• 44:10
  a musician that's when it changed and I was like, okay.
• 44:14
  Now I see it on the musician level but in terms of like
• 44:20
  relatability it changed and I think that like that's another
• 44:24
  just on a side note, like if you're a musician that's you
• 44:28
  always have to be growing and changing with Your audience and
• 44:30
  Reinventing yourself so that you're growing that you can't do
• 44:33
  the same thing forever because your audience will change and
• 44:37
  you change as well. That's why I always find it.
• 44:39
  Funny when people give musician shit for like like all this
• 44:43
  album sucks, like it didn't work and it's like well that's that
• 44:46
  particular person's artistic Vision at that particular point.
• 44:50
  It's only an it's only like an issue when like they're doing
• 44:53
  something like. I don't know to sell out and
• 44:55
  it's purely like not to do anything with like creativity.
• 44:58
  But just like, are we just want to make I think that's when it's
• 45:01
  an issue. And maybe like the fans have
• 45:03
  like a Fair Point to like, be like, fuck, you got a thing for
• 45:08
  sometimes, there's just genuinely bad.
• 45:12
  Well, yeah, yeah, like there's some people you like men, come
• 45:17
  on in 30. Not going to make it but I just
• 45:23
  kidding not like people who take it too seriously though.
• 45:28
  You know I think it really does depend on your attitude and like
• 45:35
  I don't know why I'm thinking if this but this is really random
• 45:38
  but I think it's when I was at Uni a couple of years back about
• 45:43
  four years ago. Some shit like that there was
• 45:47
  this Pub that we used to go to that was across the street from
• 45:50
  our University and like I did when I was at Uni I just didn't
• 45:54
  have the time to do music like I did it now and again but I kind
• 45:57
  of I said this in another interview that I kind of put my
• 45:59
  soul on a backseat and did the whole marketing degree and then
• 46:03
  came back and was Okay, this is what I should be doing with my
• 46:06
  life and not marketing. Anyway, when I would do music, I
• 46:12
  would I would go to places like this Pub and they had like a
• 46:16
  open mic night, you know, your standard thing and it was a
• 46:20
  weird because it was a it was open to the public.
• 46:23
  So it was a student Pub, but it was open to the public.
• 46:26
  So like you'd have like loads of students in there.
• 46:28
  Then every now and again, you'd have like Fred who's 60 having a
• 46:32
  point and like these And they would ease to musicians, that
• 46:36
  would regularly come to this open mic night and they were
• 46:38
  well into their 60s, and you could tell that they've been
• 46:43
  playing music all their life, and that they've got a bit of a
• 46:46
  chip on their shoulder that they never made it.
• 46:48
  And here's the thing, like, we're all in our like 20, some
• 46:52
  of us are teenagers, right? And we're playing and we're kind
• 46:56
  of as you like you, you know, just chill enjoying the music
• 46:59
  like whatever. We're not really like, we need
• 47:01
  to make it kind of attitude. Will students of rule.
• 47:05
  But this is our down time to get away from, you know, yeah, work
• 47:09
  essentially and basically that the reason I bring this up is
• 47:13
  because these two guys were like really like this attitude sort
• 47:18
  of like, they felt like they were above people.
• 47:20
  Like, if you, if you didn't meet their like musical level, then
• 47:24
  you they wouldn't talk to you kind of thing.
• 47:27
  And like, I just learned by laughing at that.
• 47:29
  But like, I didn't I wasn't angry at them if anything, like
• 47:33
  I pitied, Then I was like that's really sad that that's the
• 47:37
  mentality that you have, you know what I mean?
• 47:39
  Because I feel like you totally missed the point that like like
• 47:43
  most musicians that like some of the most successful musicians of
• 47:47
  all time were successful because they just chased their Vision.
• 47:51
  They didn't give a fuck about money or fame or any of that
• 47:55
  stuff that that stuff just happened around them, you don't
• 47:58
  know me, they made the right decisions.
• 48:01
  You know, they met the right people, whatever, right there.
• 48:04
  You know, and a certain degree of luck but ultimately it's
• 48:07
  about chasing that vision and and moving forward with that,
• 48:11
  and that's why they made it. And I feel like a lot of
• 48:14
  musician and, you know, not just in music in general people, you
• 48:18
  know, going for kind of creative things in life and I'm really
• 48:21
  trying to push in, make it if your head is too stuck in.
• 48:26
  How much money can I make? Have I made it yet?
• 48:28
  Is everyone listening blah, blah, blah, blah blah.
• 48:30
  Like People can see through that shit you know.
• 48:33
  People are too intelligent especially now like you know
• 48:37
  they can see through that and once they see that it doesn't
• 48:40
  have a soul and all you care about is those things.
• 48:44
  You're never going to get, make it Evan. that's what I've
• 48:48
  noticed, but I totally like, if you make Souls music, you know,
• 48:53
  she make music that you don't mean, it's it's even personally,
• 48:59
  it's, I've experienced, like, there's a lot of artists that I
• 49:02
  know they're just saying stupid stuff like Playboy party, for
• 49:08
  instance, like, of course, I understand that he created vibe
• 49:12
  in create an atmosphere, but if you look at the lyrics it's like
• 49:17
  What's the point in having a rapper on the song If he's not
• 49:21
  going to say anything, you know? Like There's there's just a lot
• 49:26
  of controversy with like Mumble rap, you know, stuff like that.
• 49:32
  It's interesting. You know?
• 49:33
  Because like I felt like it all kind of depends as far as rap is
• 49:36
  concerned, on on like the purpose of the rat look is like,
• 49:39
  you know, you've got particular movements that you know, that's
• 49:44
  a movement that last say five or ten years and then the next
• 49:46
  thing comes along, right. But where is like other other
• 49:51
  rappers just kind of exists to. I I fill a particular spot like
• 49:56
  oh I'm the guy like the hype guy, I'm the guy that comes on
• 49:59
  the track and does this or whatever you know, there's
• 50:01
  always there's different functions in terms of like being
• 50:05
  a rapper in today's society, you know, versus like way back when
• 50:09
  20, 30 years ago, being a rapper was more more unique.
• 50:13
  You know what I mean? Yes, for example, hit his an
• 50:16
  example, like a lot of rappers now are kind of having to, to
• 50:20
  sing now as well. Like, they have to kind of
• 50:22
  diversify in that way. They can't just put out an album
• 50:25
  and only wrap and it's like why why can't you do that?
• 50:28
  But there's like this expectation from the industry
• 50:31
  from to a certain degree fans and like just musicians I guess
• 50:36
  in general like you know, you need to you need to do some
• 50:39
  singing. You need to, you know, put some
• 50:41
  notes on there as well. I can't just wrap.
• 50:43
  I agree. There's I don't know.
• 50:45
  It's weird. So unique and singing have so
• 50:58
  many different ways to sing. You don't like it.
• 51:01
  Well, I think that's that's the that's the key in there.
• 51:03
  So that's kind of what I'm alluding to as well as.
• 51:05
  Like if you're pushing your thing and you're not worried
• 51:07
  about like essentially Trends, then you're going to go far
• 51:11
  because you're just doing your thing.
• 51:13
  Whereas time Trends come and go. Like, they could last a couple
• 51:16
  of years. They could last five minutes,
• 51:18
  you know, he really, really don't know.
• 51:19
  It's for instance, like trap is really big right now, but like,
• 51:22
  how long is that realistic? You're Gonna Last, you know,
• 51:25
  you're there will be a point where people are like, okay,
• 51:27
  we've heard most of what you can do with trap.
• 51:30
  That's in terms of it being like experimental or interesting
• 51:34
  people move, it's like it. If you take heavy metal, you
• 51:37
  know, that I remember growing up in like sort of mid 2000s and
• 51:41
  early 2010's and like the theme them was like, how fast is your
• 51:45
  band, how fast can you go, how fast the, the double bass kicks
• 51:49
  and shit and there's like if you weren't fast your shit, you
• 51:52
  know, it's like Get out and like obviously that got to a point
• 51:56
  there was like a band that went faster than everyone and then
• 51:59
  it's like, okay well you know, what's the next thing?
• 52:02
  It's in an amine and then Jen came along and then you know the
• 52:06
  next thing after that and so on, it's I think it.
• 52:09
  Yeah, the point is, if you get stuck on those trends like
• 52:12
  you're chasing that rather than chasing your own creativity and
• 52:17
  your own, your own interest and Yap.
• 52:20
  It people in general have very low And spans I think.
• 52:25
  And that's the, that's the thing.
• 52:26
  Like, they're just one's that dumb of you that just you want
• 52:29
  to like go for that loyal fan base that you're going for like
• 52:32
  people that are like yourself, that makes it logical sense to
• 52:36
  me. Anyway, both people who try to
• 52:38
  buy into the lifestyle like you said, absolutely.
• 52:43
  Absolutely. And that is an interesting
• 52:47
  question. If you had to define the genre
• 52:51
  of your music or maybe describe the sound, how would you define
• 52:56
  that? because I struggled, So like my
• 53:06
  vocal range is like, like from falsetto all the way to like
• 53:12
  this, like weird. Wow, crazy growl.
• 53:17
  So I am able to do a lot of soft stuff so I like it's like if a
• 53:25
  joji could sing like the guy from Creed.
• 53:31
  Wow! A picture.
• 53:33
  Yeah! And then he made a emo rap in.
• 53:41
  Like, that's not coming back. Is it God?
• 53:46
  No, please, no redefined. So it's I mean, I know normal
• 53:53
  crunk, ya. Nah nah.
• 53:54
  Nah, I wouldn't even call it. Listen to More hearts for is
• 54:08
  definitely more hardcore than like, we don't use autotune like
• 54:12
  we're pretty much. Yeah, I mean.
• 54:17
  Well it, let's let's get on to it to your latest release.
• 54:20
  Let's move to that because I found this really interesting
• 54:23
  cause when I track back and I looked at your stuff that you
• 54:25
  released and say, 2018 2019, it followed kind of what you're
• 54:29
  talking about right now, that that kind of sound, it match
• 54:32
  that perfectly but then okay, so your most recent release, This
• 54:36
  is called Untitled August 25th and it differs greatly in terms
• 54:42
  of the sound and the style in comparison with the older work
• 54:45
  and I just write down some notes when I was listening to it and
• 54:49
  it kind of what I heard was like a kind of an old school 90s, R&B
• 54:54
  / rap Vibe. It was really cool and
• 54:58
  refreshing and it was like this is totally different everything
• 55:01
  he's done before. And I guess my question is like
• 55:05
  is this like a Permanent change in your sound or is this like I
• 55:09
  want to try something different. I want to mix it up.
• 55:12
  See how this is received like what's the purpose with this
• 55:15
  particular release? It did it because I could I I
• 55:22
  love you. I wanted to make the sound so I
• 55:31
  just tried to make him Two concepts, which involves kind of
• 55:37
  like a romantic concept. Hmm. and then I wanted the
• 55:43
  aesthetic to be kind of like Kauai and then I just make the
• 55:50
  album. Just cuz did you feel out of
• 55:53
  your comfort zone doing it or did it feel comfortable?
• 55:56
  Oh yeah. Fucking sometimes like honestly
• 56:00
  is like writing pop stuff. Like trying to be poppy popish
• 56:07
  and doors. It's it's definitely like
• 56:14
  Selling out. I'm just kidding.
• 56:19
  I definitely wanted to practice just like that.
• 56:21
  Sound like just just like, it's just like a with me.
• 56:26
  Like, like I said, like my solo stuff is really experimental,
• 56:30
  okay? I'm like all over the place and
• 56:35
  You know, and that was just me playing around just seeing it
• 56:40
  like a good seeing if people would get that.
• 56:43
  It's a pop Vibe. Like I personally think it has
• 56:48
  legs. I mean, I think that, like, if
• 56:50
  that's something you wanted to do again in the future.
• 56:53
  Well, I'm personally down for it.
• 56:54
  I think it worked for you, and I think that you, you put your own
• 56:58
  your own Vibe like take on it, I think, more importantly like it
• 57:01
  wasn't. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't just
• 57:03
  straight up pop. It wasn't, it had like
• 57:06
  influences that are outside of your normal, kind of Is a
• 57:10
  Playbook, excuse me. But it works.
• 57:15
  And it fits. And I think that would I would
• 57:19
  say that. Practicing like those towns and
• 57:24
  practicing like, doing stuff like that has helped, like
• 57:29
  recording for a, we work like stuff, because whenever we drop
• 57:31
  this stuff, like my vocals, some pretty choice, but it seems to
• 57:39
  be positively sort of received, you know, like you.
• 57:43
  By the way, everyone listening to the podcast, you can find
• 57:46
  this on. Soundcloud I'll put a link to in
• 57:48
  the description. But yeah, like just the initial
• 57:53
  kind of vibe like, obviously this is just released but it's
• 57:55
  like people really dig it, they're into it, you know.
• 57:58
  So it's yeah. It's like opened up your
• 58:01
  potential in terms of like things you can do and things,
• 58:04
  you can mix. Yeah, I like to be out to show
• 58:07
  how versatile I can be. I'm just so Flex on people
• 58:11
  sometimes. Right?
• 58:14
  I'm going to switch things up and ask you something.
• 58:16
  Totally left field. This is more serious.
• 58:20
  So it's very serious, but I thought it was interesting
• 58:24
  because you don't necessarily see a lot of musicians doing
• 58:28
  this. Now, with everything that's
• 58:30
  going on in the world with black lives matter and protests and
• 58:33
  everything certain musicians are, you know, kind of being
• 58:39
  part of that and trying to contribute to that.
• 58:41
  And that includes you guys. And I, It was really cool that
• 58:44
  you actively out there protesting I guess, in in Texas,
• 58:48
  then this is Texas approaches. Okay, cool.
• 58:53
  Yeah. And and like I had to like
• 58:55
  double check and make sure because you referred to, as a
• 58:57
  movement and stuff. And I was like, oh what?
• 58:59
  What they like I presumed it was for BLM, by didn't know 100%,
• 59:03
  And then I looked, and as I okay, yet that's that's what
• 59:05
  they're performing for to be more specific.
• 59:09
  So there's videos you guys performing and kind of just, you
• 59:12
  know, marching And then just showing support you talked a
• 59:17
  little bit about this in terms of your personal experiences.
• 59:21
  You know, the progress. You guys made this talk to me a
• 59:25
  little bit about that. Okay.
• 59:29
  And then I was expecting. So ATX flow down, is the group
• 59:38
  that I was with during the protests.
• 59:41
  I wasn't like other boys quick, like show any political stance
• 59:46
  or anything, but me personally, you know, I obviously had of my
• 59:52
  political stances, the a text flow down is the Jazz group that
• 59:56
  you mentioned before? Yeah.
• 59:57
  That's the Jazz group. Yeah.
• 59:58
  And so we started so are riots. Already March 31st.
• 1:00:08
  And I had somebody who was killed by poison April on April
• 1:00:15
  24th, which is my birthday actually.
• 1:00:18
  Coincidentally. And So we know because George
• 1:00:25
  Floyd riots. We got out there and me and 86
• 1:00:31
  flow down. I was actually out of town.
• 1:00:33
  I was in Houston and I was like, oh shit, we got to get back and
• 1:00:38
  then Jim second was the first day that we started protesting.
• 1:00:46
  and we protested for pretty much too much straight, like, okay,
• 1:00:54
  like we did a lot of things such as We took on the moon and you
• 1:01:02
  know case which was a my going to get too specific, you know,
• 1:01:09
  but you're just a woman who had her child abducted by one of the
• 1:01:15
  police members through a series of technicalities.
• 1:01:23
  So I'll say that. And then we, you know, for when
• 1:01:28
  we play music, like for everybody, like we catered every
• 1:01:36
  single day, like you spent like over like $2500 like it's like
• 1:01:44
  literally honestly why we're kind of like in the shithole
• 1:01:46
  right now, we're kind of like recuperating from all of that.
• 1:01:53
  So but we were there a lot and we people never come up in
• 1:02:02
  freestyle, had them, come up and read poems.
• 1:02:06
  Had them come up and no sing for us and do whatever they wanted
• 1:02:12
  on the mic. You know, start chance anything
• 1:02:16
  and then went to Tulsa, I'm going to the Trump route.
• 1:02:20
  It was the first one. Yeah, we went to the first Trump
• 1:02:23
  rally of the year. Yeah, I was pretty epic and then
• 1:02:29
  we marched with the black lives matter Tulsa and the troopers
• 1:02:36
  were pretty pissed off at us. You go to tell me more or less
• 1:02:39
  like what happened? Like how what they do in?
• 1:02:42
  How do for one? It was it was night of June 13th
• 1:02:47
  left to go to Tulsa like we just like went from playing music
• 1:02:53
  downtown. Yep. straight Tolson sucked is
• 1:02:58
  really hard, and then, We get there in like we pass out in
• 1:03:04
  this Cafe and like a lettuce sleep there and stuff.
• 1:03:08
  Oh cool. Yeah.
• 1:03:10
  Because like it was already kind of like a hub for like Medics
• 1:03:13
  and stuff. And like there was a lot of
• 1:03:16
  Medics like they were geared up, like they were ready to fucking
• 1:03:20
  go. Like, but like we were passed
• 1:03:25
  out. He can with all the chaos going
• 1:03:27
  around us. We really just like knocked out
• 1:03:30
  and And we met up with black lives matter Tulsa.
• 1:03:36
  And like in Tulsa, it's very interesting because like, here
• 1:03:41
  we do have a lot of like Indian or Native American tribes, only
• 1:03:46
  thing. The Tulsa.
• 1:03:47
  It's very, very prominent, like a lot of the black community or
• 1:03:54
  part of, like, Native American. It's very interesting, like,
• 1:03:58
  hmm. Like I think the most prominent
• 1:04:00
  one was the black. A foot.
• 1:04:03
  Like they talked about the Blackfoot tribe a lot and it
• 1:04:07
  was, it was just like, really inspiring to March down Black
• 1:04:14
  Wall Street, which is in the 20s was like the most rich African
• 1:04:19
  American community and It was like massacred because of Envy
• 1:04:29
  from the white people. Yeah, it was terrible, it was
• 1:04:34
  really bad and yeah we were pretty much just playing jazz
• 1:04:39
  for them. Letting them wrap on the mic and
• 1:04:42
  saying their speeches and yeah we marched a really long ways
• 1:04:48
  and it was really, really fun, really inspiring.
• 1:04:53
  And they would literally success one.
• 1:04:56
  Like it gave us Insight on how to lead a peaceful protest and
• 1:05:02
  like not inside all the crap that people like to do, you know
• 1:05:07
  like to get them arrested and go crazy how how much, how will the
• 1:05:12
  police cut a generally during this whole time?
• 1:05:19
  Please sing all Center hard as fuck.
• 1:05:22
  Honestly they run over us with horses Express from like barely
• 1:05:30
  any reason them they are super apathetic to our injuries.
• 1:05:37
  Like we had somebody who was like shot and like they barely
• 1:05:42
  rushed to the scene, like it was terrible.
• 1:05:49
  But yeah, they hate us. We hate them a lot.
• 1:05:55
  And whether any different in toaster toaster is in Oklahoma,
• 1:06:01
  and is that? So I'll go some really ignorant.
• 1:06:03
  That is Oklahoma, is a state, isn't it?
• 1:06:06
  Yeah, that's a Texas is on the border of Mexico and the right
• 1:06:12
  on the border of Texas, right by right.
• 1:06:14
  So yeah, it's a different state. Yeah.
• 1:06:17
  What will the police like there? Were they any different?
• 1:06:20
  So now? Because well, Yes.
• 1:06:26
  They're extremely different because the president was in
• 1:06:29
  town. Yeah, they really didn't give a
• 1:06:36
  crap about us, like they realized that we were being
• 1:06:40
  peaceful. Like we had our own militias at
• 1:06:44
  at our route, like, we were running around with our own
• 1:06:48
  emotions and stuff and like everything was you know, Ike
• 1:06:52
  Yeah, we just marched in like chanted and you know, some
• 1:06:57
  trumpeters would pass by and get caught in the, you know, it
• 1:07:02
  caught in it but you know what, were they generally?
• 1:07:05
  Like because as a you know, a British man looking from an
• 1:07:11
  outsider's perspective, in what I see and what I hear is, you
• 1:07:15
  know, Trump sort of saying like, hey, you know, we need to be
• 1:07:18
  like Vigilant on protesters and you basically kind of like
• 1:07:21
  saying, Like all protesters are violent and, which is obviously
• 1:07:24
  bollocks. But, you know, he, they want to
• 1:07:27
  focus on right, right? That much is occurring.
• 1:07:30
  Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's just there's so many stories of that
• 1:07:35
  and it's so many people. I mean, I see, I see a lot of it
• 1:07:38
  on Twitter of people, you know, say like hey this is what the
• 1:07:41
  media isn't, reporting kind of thing, right?
• 1:07:45
  So given that. Okay, so Trump's Trump's there
• 1:07:49
  is Trump rally. You guys are there Is there, is
• 1:07:53
  there any kind of like fights between you guys?
• 1:07:58
  I mean, you guys, right? So, I should, I should reiterate
• 1:08:00
  it on y Min with this. You guys are being peaceful and
• 1:08:06
  that's how these things always start that.
• 1:08:08
  Like, you know, any violence that incurs typically comes from
• 1:08:12
  that, like Trump side, or like, and this, for those who don't
• 1:08:18
  like conspiracy, I mean, this, this is actual fact that there
• 1:08:21
  are people that I work for the government who are basically
• 1:08:25
  told to, like, try to start violence, so they do things
• 1:08:29
  like, you know, like I saw one video where it was like there
• 1:08:32
  was a bunch of bricks that were laid in a particular area, like,
• 1:08:36
  hey, take the bricks smash the windows because if you do that
• 1:08:40
  we get to you know, beat the shit out of you basically.
• 1:08:44
  And that's the thing, like all of the BLM, protests have been,
• 1:08:47
  like, like pretty much 99% like, you know, peaceful. because, you
• 1:08:52
  know, the whole point is that, you know, We want to peacefully
• 1:08:57
  protest, put forward the fact that you know, this is what we
• 1:09:00
  believe and that like you know the government needs to take
• 1:09:03
  action and things need to change.
• 1:09:05
  Right? That is really clear.
• 1:09:06
  And like the only way you going to do that is by peacefully,
• 1:09:09
  putting that across. I know there's arguments that
• 1:09:11
  you know, like maybe violence is the answer.
• 1:09:13
  But I don't think violence is never the answer personally.
• 1:09:17
  And if anything that this whole time, it's kind of proven that
• 1:09:22
  like, that, that violence is coming from.
• 1:09:25
  That Trump kind of group if you like, you know, that's fear.
• 1:09:30
  It's like they think the best idea is to just, you know, stamp
• 1:09:36
  on things and try and try and Stamp Out people's voices, but
• 1:09:39
  you can't do that like, you know, it's especially with what
• 1:09:42
  we're talking about, you know, it's and to the extent that it's
• 1:09:45
  got to. But anyway, to get to get to my
• 1:09:47
  point like, What were those Trump supporters like towards
• 1:09:53
  you guys? Like they are they kind of
• 1:09:56
  trying to like provoke you or the police trying to provoke you
• 1:10:00
  or like, what's the kind of situation with that?
• 1:10:01
  Because you're marching past, you know, you're being vocal,
• 1:10:04
  but you're being respectful. But obviously they're not
• 1:10:07
  necessarily always being like that.
• 1:10:08
  So what are they like? so, There's a lot of times.
• 1:10:18
  And like I have seen the bricks being laid out, that was weird.
• 1:10:25
  So I don't know if I don't know if that was a coincidence or if
• 1:10:29
  that was real, but I did study, it's not coincidence that.
• 1:10:32
  I, I've literally seen videos of, like, I don't know if it's
• 1:10:37
  police officers or like, I don't know, whatever, but like
• 1:10:42
  deliberately walking down streets smashing windows.
• 1:10:46
  Like like kind of routinely in a weird like not actually
• 1:10:49
  attacking anyone, just deliberately smashing the
• 1:10:50
  windows as a kind of, you know, precursor to be like right, we
• 1:10:54
  can arrest everyone, we can use Force because look what they've
• 1:10:56
  done which yeah, yeah, anyway, so we have had some like back
• 1:11:04
  the blue people and Trump supporters, which back the blue
• 1:11:08
  is like they support police. They say we wives matter.
• 1:11:16
  Oh, so that's where that comes from.
• 1:11:19
  I never knew that. Okay.
• 1:11:21
  All right. I thought it was just people
• 1:11:24
  taking the piss on to it, huh? Fair enough?
• 1:11:29
  All right. Ya know.
• 1:11:31
  They're, they're super serious about.
• 1:11:33
  It's really weird that Because I'm just going to say, like,
• 1:11:39
  that ideal, like, you can't choose to be, you know, your
• 1:11:43
  skin color, right? Of course, and choose what, what
• 1:11:47
  career you have? So it's like, dude and because
• 1:11:51
  not all peace officers are like, obviously like yeah, there's
• 1:11:54
  plenty of decent good officers like everywhere, it's more.
• 1:11:59
  I always call it. I was referred to it as
• 1:12:03
  institutional racism. So like the top, the top end,
• 1:12:07
  the people that are in charge are the racist and that filters
• 1:12:10
  down and enables racists to them become part of the police force.
• 1:12:15
  So it's not necessarily that like the police are racist, is
• 1:12:17
  that the people can Trolling the police, and the people are the
• 1:12:21
  enablers, and the ones that are actually racist.
• 1:12:24
  But it's the reason I say institution was because it's at
• 1:12:27
  the top level. But it's enabled by like the
• 1:12:29
  government and heads of states and stuff.
• 1:12:33
  Yeah. Trace the laptop and, to a
• 1:12:37
  certain extent, we have that in England as well.
• 1:12:40
  I don't know that it's necessarily on on the same level
• 1:12:46
  as America, but I definitely have seen my race.
• 1:12:49
  I mean in in Britain, it as far as like, piece is concerned and
• 1:12:54
  police like, you know, over using their power when they
• 1:12:57
  shouldn't and so on it's a very common thing, but it's more it's
• 1:13:03
  much more prevalent in America. And I guess that the confusion
• 1:13:08
  element is because like every state is different.
• 1:13:10
  It's almost like a mini country. So you've got like as you as you
• 1:13:13
  explained in the earlier, in our conversation, you know, you've
• 1:13:15
  got that, that Federal level state level and in Municipal
• 1:13:19
  level. So it differs according to that,
• 1:13:24
  because I've seen so many things like state-by-state, like one
• 1:13:27
  state, you know, Pisa acting unacceptably and then another
• 1:13:31
  state they're like really peaceful like marching on with
• 1:13:35
  the blm's protest and Kind of doing what piece do you know
• 1:13:40
  supporting and making sure everyone's safe.
• 1:13:43
  So it's very confusing. It's honestly like city-by-city
• 1:13:48
  like because Austin is one of the most likely liberal seized
• 1:13:57
  in Texas but like there's some places around us where it's like
• 1:14:05
  completely back the blue rallies and like there's no barely any
• 1:14:10
  black lives matter. And like if you do a bill one
• 1:14:14
  thing, like you're extremely like my heart like really want
• 1:14:21
  to fuck you up. For some reason, makes no sense.
• 1:14:27
  Yeah, I don't know why they're so scrim innate against still
• 1:14:31
  like. There's no point he gets 20, 20
• 1:14:35
  people. I mean, dude, there's still
• 1:14:38
  people much like KKK uniforms in America in 2020 and now this is
• 1:14:45
  still something that happens and and the police allow it.
• 1:14:49
  Now, I know you like what happened recently with, I don't
• 1:14:52
  know the names specifically but the guy who shot like the white
• 1:14:56
  guy who shot, Two people and killed them and the police just
• 1:14:59
  let him go. Yeah, like the rest of them,
• 1:15:04
  they arrested him eventually locally.
• 1:15:06
  So hopefully he's tried for those groups.
• 1:15:10
  I think the immediate response do tells you everything.
• 1:15:13
  I mean, it's just so like, it's like, it's like, when there's
• 1:15:17
  like a court case, right? And there's so much overwhelming
• 1:15:21
  evidence to say that a person is guilty, but then the judge is
• 1:15:26
  like, hmm. Well, I don't know, you know and
• 1:15:29
  it's like dude come on. Like there's So much like it's
• 1:15:34
  gone beyond the point of like doubt at this point it's like
• 1:15:39
  Beyond ridiculous. It's like okay there's a really
• 1:15:43
  big problem and it need hat. Like it's not even that we
• 1:15:46
  should resolve. This is like it has to change.
• 1:15:50
  Like if nothing else I think BLM has shown and then like the
• 1:15:55
  amount of people that have been just unjustly killed for no
• 1:15:58
  reason and it's been sort of explained away is the biggest
• 1:16:03
  problem here. You know, like just kind of
• 1:16:09
  trying to justify that is just all kinds of just crazy to.
• 1:16:14
  Yeah. Just hoping all those people
• 1:16:18
  just dialing, then I hope they see sense.
• 1:16:24
  I think that's what I hoped for because we're all human at the
• 1:16:29
  end of the day, and that would be so cool if they could though,
• 1:16:35
  anything's possible. Dude, you have no idea how
• 1:16:37
  brainwashed they are. The oh no.
• 1:16:40
  No, I do. I mean, if we've got them in
• 1:16:43
  England Butler. We've got, we've got people,
• 1:16:48
  we've got like, for example, we have this group in England,
• 1:16:51
  called the edl, which stands for the English Defence League.
• 1:16:56
  It's basically a bunch of white people that get together and
• 1:17:02
  they're racists and they basically just it's not even
• 1:17:05
  like a political really. I mean, it's just a big group of
• 1:17:08
  people that get together and just, you know, Target like
• 1:17:12
  Muslim communities for example and just smash up places.
• 1:17:15
  Fights, get violent and just generally horrible racist.
• 1:17:20
  And there's a few of these groups ends and there's a few
• 1:17:25
  political parties as well. There are, you know, racist and
• 1:17:29
  they've kind of been exposed and largely.
• 1:17:31
  I just mocked and not taken seriously.
• 1:17:33
  But, you know, surprising how much support that they gained.
• 1:17:38
  There's been some instances where they've earned seats in
• 1:17:44
  Parliament, In in the European Parts, when we were part of the
• 1:17:48
  EU, we had what, what you would call an MEP.
• 1:17:51
  So it's a member of the European Parliament and they were voted
• 1:17:54
  in by section of the British public.
• 1:17:58
  So there you go. Yeah, racism is everywhere, man.
• 1:18:05
  Obviously but it's kind of mad when it's in that organized way
• 1:18:10
  and I think a lot of the time It's not obvious racism in the
• 1:18:17
  sense that like your average person walking on the street
• 1:18:20
  isn't probably not racist. Jenna mean, it's, it's, I think
• 1:18:23
  it's a it's always going to be that smaller percentage, but
• 1:18:26
  that smaller percentage on vocal about it, they keep it to
• 1:18:30
  themselves kind of thing. You're like, one of my previous
• 1:18:35
  guest I had, I had this joke with we're kind of they're the
• 1:18:40
  sort of people that like they'll walk in a room and they'll try
• 1:18:44
  and test the waters. As with people and be like, you
• 1:18:46
  know, for like a little bit of a racist joke up there or like,
• 1:18:49
  say like, oh yeah, these people the problem, right?
• 1:18:51
  And then they'll see what people say.
• 1:18:53
  And if everyone's like, yeah, then it's like, okay, great.
• 1:18:55
  I'm with my people and if it's like not like that, then they're
• 1:18:59
  like, they're just shut up and not say anything, just like
• 1:19:02
  hide. And that's the reality of being
• 1:19:05
  a racist at least in your the UK.
• 1:19:07
  But in an America I suppose the problem or is that like you
• 1:19:12
  know, like the government kind of, almost like Enables, you
• 1:19:16
  know, like you hear Trump come out and say that he supports BLM
• 1:19:19
  and stuff but it's come on, it didn't mean it's not he's not
• 1:19:24
  done anything concrete. That actually helps people
• 1:19:27
  protects people. He's just kind of like start
• 1:19:31
  while starting the war and on T3 and T4 and just kind of I don't
• 1:19:36
  know, trying to draw attention away from that, I guess, but
• 1:19:41
  whatever. Anyway, just want to say a big
• 1:19:43
  thank you for sharing that I appreciate.
• 1:19:45
  I know it's quite serious and a bit of a deviation, but I just
• 1:19:48
  really wanted to talk about that with you because of seeing your
• 1:19:52
  involvement in that I thought that was really cool and it's
• 1:19:55
  something that should be shared and spoken about a little bit.
• 1:19:59
  So moving on. And let's, let's go into more
• 1:20:01
  positive topics, bring it back to what you're talking about.
• 1:20:06
  Your work with animals. You describe yourself as an
• 1:20:10
  animal behaviorist. Tell me more about that.
• 1:20:14
  Yeah man. So whenever I was in high school
• 1:20:19
  I bread and and you know, what showing and livestock animal is
• 1:20:28
  no idea. So, here in Texas or here in
• 1:20:32
  America. We have the FFA which is
• 1:20:38
  essentially Future Farmers of America, right?
• 1:20:42
  And we're able to raise our own livestock and then present them
• 1:20:48
  for it to a judge and then, you know, based on their judgment,
• 1:20:53
  you can win first prize essentially, okay.
• 1:20:57
  In layman's terms So I did that and I was pretty good at
• 1:21:04
  training, my goats and take care of my babies and that's kind of
• 1:21:09
  how I got into animal husbandry and you know, sharing animals
• 1:21:13
  and you know giving medication and then I got a lot of money
• 1:21:19
  from that. So I went to school for it and
• 1:21:24
  she got like a scholarship or something like that or no.
• 1:21:28
  It was it was a independent. Just like winnings from a hot.
• 1:21:35
  Yeah, just like yeah it's so it's so Mike Backwoods country
• 1:21:43
  shit, right? No.
• 1:21:46
  I mean I'm I'm not from Austin. I'm from a small town, like 30
• 1:21:53
  minutes outside awesome. I don't think there's anything
• 1:21:57
  wrong with country. You know, I've lived and worked
• 1:22:00
  on farms. As myself in other countries.
• 1:22:02
  And I think if anything is good for the soul, I think more
• 1:22:07
  people should do that should experience it because, you know,
• 1:22:12
  obviously dating back in history, you know, that's,
• 1:22:14
  that's how life was. That's how people lived, you
• 1:22:17
  know, this civilization that we have.
• 1:22:19
  Now, former in terms of City living has meant that like I
• 1:22:24
  have friends in sometimes referred to as like old
• 1:22:28
  knowledge, but it's true. You know me like in a situation
• 1:22:32
  where like here's something interesting, right?
• 1:22:35
  When this pandemic started, I started Googling seeds.
• 1:22:39
  You know, like for just like vegetables and stuff.
• 1:22:42
  I was just curious to see like, you know, they cut the types of
• 1:22:46
  seeds you can get and stuff like because I'd like to start
• 1:22:48
  collecting at some point and just thinking ahead, you know,
• 1:22:53
  then eventually if I have land or whatever And I went on a
• 1:22:57
  couple of websites and they were like, Eva sold out or like
• 1:23:01
  really, really expensive. It's like a lot of people had
• 1:23:04
  had this idea of like this is what we need to be doing this.
• 1:23:07
  You know. You know, we need to start
• 1:23:08
  stockpiling. This stuff, you know, like smart
• 1:23:10
  people, you know, your average person is going and going like a
• 1:23:14
  fucking, don't have toilet roll. That's what your average
• 1:23:16
  person's doing. But the smart people are like no
• 1:23:19
  I need to be investing in like seeds and stuff because like for
• 1:23:22
  example, if the economy is fucked, right, And money is no
• 1:23:27
  longer worth anything. Things like seeds are going to
• 1:23:29
  be the new currency. Well, that's, that's the reality
• 1:23:34
  of the situation. Trash currency, we're going to
• 1:23:37
  use these cubes of trash as currency will subtract.
• 1:23:41
  The gummies is anything that sustains life, isn't it?
• 1:23:44
  You know, it's like seeds, it's imagine materials, you know, to
• 1:23:50
  build and such will drive up in price and stuff but like we will
• 1:23:56
  be trading again, we're well, we've always been trading as a
• 1:23:59
  species, but you know what I mean?
• 1:24:00
  Like money. Money money.
• 1:24:03
  Just exist. Is that thing of like, I
• 1:24:07
  suppose. It's Maurice.
• 1:24:08
  Ease-of-use really isn't. It's quicker.
• 1:24:10
  It's quicker than, you know. It's quicker for me to be like,
• 1:24:13
  hey, here's I don't know. $200 give me that go verses are okay.
• 1:24:18
  Let's trade this Ox for this goat like that.
• 1:24:21
  And obviously that's a stupid trade, but you get my point.
• 1:24:24
  It's like, you know, actually facilitating that trade is a
• 1:24:28
  pain in the ass. So that's where like I do.
• 1:24:30
  Imagine where money kind of originally came into play.
• 1:24:33
  It's like, yeah, let's use this, you know.
• 1:24:37
  Before that it was it was gold. But yeah.
• 1:24:41
  Anyway I'm getting into the weeds so I just I find this
• 1:24:44
  stuff. Interesting.
• 1:24:46
  No no yeah no. I'd love to live in a free
• 1:24:49
  market economy. The amazing.
• 1:24:51
  Well I mean whatever it's probably where we're headed to
• 1:24:56
  be interesting. Move it forward.
• 1:25:00
  You have a very kind of unique personal style in terms of just
• 1:25:04
  like your fashion, how you dress and stuff.
• 1:25:06
  Tough. And Yeah, it's a total us a
• 1:25:10
  little bit about this. Like what what, inspires that,
• 1:25:12
  where it comes from. Like I know for many people, it
• 1:25:16
  can be, you know, just, yeah. Just what you like to do.
• 1:25:19
  And I mean, it's fair, but like, yours is like really out there,
• 1:25:24
  it varies very greatly and I just wonder like, is there
• 1:25:27
  anyone or anything that inspires that or is it just kind of like
• 1:25:31
  yeah I see it. I buy.
• 1:25:32
  I like it. Like what's the deal with that?
• 1:25:35
  So most of my outfits cost and Probably like five dollars.
• 1:25:43
  I'm really digging the thrifting come I don't know.
• 1:25:48
  Like a lot of the times I get lucky and I'll find some
• 1:25:55
  dope-ass shirt or something or maybe like my girl, let me be
• 1:26:05
  like borrow a shirt or something in it, you know, and it looks
• 1:26:08
  dope on me, I don't know. Because I'm also like a model
• 1:26:15
  for like a lot of thrift stores and stuff.
• 1:26:17
  Tough. Oh, Mike Well, they're more like
• 1:26:22
  resale stores, their circles are a lot cheaper.
• 1:26:25
  But yeah, these places are like, they buy and trade clothes and
• 1:26:30
  stuff. And it's like, really big here
• 1:26:33
  and, or I guess in general. Just that vintage clothing,
• 1:26:40
  trading thing. And, yeah, sometimes, don't let
• 1:26:44
  me wear their clothes and I'll just use their photos.
• 1:26:50
  But they take of me. Did you do do what you get my
• 1:26:55
  paid for that? Or do they give you like, free
• 1:26:56
  clothes or something? What's the, what's the deal
• 1:26:58
  there? I've gotten free clothes.
• 1:27:01
  I've gotten my eyes. I've got tons of shows, out of
• 1:27:05
  it on his own, really? Yeah, seen me with me up on
• 1:27:10
  this. No.
• 1:27:12
  And then they hit me up. Interesting, if If they use me,
• 1:27:19
  they're trying to go for like a certain aesthetic that day,
• 1:27:23
  right? Yeah.
• 1:27:24
  Then you know since it's such a weird out of I'm being like
• 1:27:30
  honestly like I don't ever really think of myself is that
• 1:27:34
  out of like I just have like dyed hair.
• 1:27:40
  Yeah I didn't mean to suck kind of like make you feel
• 1:27:42
  uncomfortable snot Because unique being reminded of like
• 1:27:50
  how they look at me, okay? I'm just like, yeah, they look
• 1:27:56
  at me as like some, like edgy, dude.
• 1:28:00
  I think it's interesting to know what I mean.
• 1:28:02
  Like, me personally, I'm for instance, like my taste in
• 1:28:04
  women, I'm interested in women. That look different to another
• 1:28:08
  mean. Like, if I just see someone when
• 1:28:10
  woman walking down the street, and she's just wearing, like, I
• 1:28:13
  don't know the latest fashion trend, like I'm more interested
• 1:28:16
  in that, but If she's wearing that maybe she's got some
• 1:28:18
  piercings and dyed hair or like maybe she's like she likes
• 1:28:23
  thrift store staff or maybe she's you know into like more
• 1:28:27
  classic clothing like something different.
• 1:28:30
  Something you don't see everyday.
• 1:28:31
  It's like it draws you in so well that's interesting I want
• 1:28:34
  to know more and that's kind of like what I mean with that I
• 1:28:37
  think that's probably as well why people were drawn drawn so
• 1:28:41
  drawn to you is because it's like you presenting something
• 1:28:45
  that is different from what they see.
• 1:28:47
  Read a therefore it's more interesting and then it kind of
• 1:28:52
  expands with like the music that you're doing.
• 1:28:54
  Because again, it's not the music that everyone hears all
• 1:28:57
  the time, maybe I can definitely see that for sure.
• 1:29:05
  What does music mean to you? Is me.
• 1:29:12
  Music is music. Music.
• 1:29:21
  Well I wasn't. We also the Deep questions on
• 1:29:27
  the Christian podcast. Well music is a way for Myself
• 1:29:39
  and others to express themselves, either verbally or
• 1:29:44
  no through their instruments. But also music can be widely
• 1:29:51
  defined as like pretty much any noise.
• 1:29:54
  So it's hard for me to say what music is CI that's why I
• 1:30:01
  disagree, right? Because you know that your deep
• 1:30:04
  guy, you know, you have like hashtag existentialism on your
• 1:30:09
  Instagram page. That's why it's so hard to put a
• 1:30:14
  definite on music. So Essentially.
• 1:30:22
  I try to appreciate every noise like every single day.
• 1:30:28
  I'm listening for new samples. I'm listening for, you know,
• 1:30:33
  things such as sound, good. Like, I've freestyle to like
• 1:30:38
  car, alarms, going off and like, hey, well at the end of, at the
• 1:30:43
  end of that Untitled, August 25th.
• 1:30:46
  I have the freestyle and like I was me just like singing off the
• 1:30:51
  Dome and I just like to rain. Yeah, I heard that.
• 1:30:55
  I remembered that. I thought I was really cool.
• 1:30:58
  Yeah, I do. Yeah.
• 1:30:59
  So I basically I was high as fuck on friend and I was like
• 1:31:05
  sad as hell about like a recent breakup and Sloan had just
• 1:31:12
  gotten arrested and Yeah, I just wanted to take the day off at
• 1:31:17
  day and yeah, it was raining heavy as fuck and I was out in
• 1:31:23
  that van. That was we renovated.
• 1:31:26
  So, you know, I was just shrooming out of there and I
• 1:31:31
  don't know. I was just feeling it and I
• 1:31:35
  thought I could come up with a song and that's what ended up
• 1:31:38
  coming out when you did shrooms. Did you smoke as well?
• 1:31:41
  Yeah, I always there. I always have to have a bunch of
• 1:31:44
  weed. The one only time I ever did
• 1:31:46
  streams, I because we always would smoke weed anyway and I
• 1:31:51
  remember the day very clearly. It was a school friend of mine
• 1:31:56
  and him and his brother would regularly go shroom picking like
• 1:31:59
  every Autumn some shit when it was in season and they would get
• 1:32:04
  a lot. Like I remember we were at his
• 1:32:06
  house just regularly that we'd always go there and weekends and
• 1:32:08
  get high and play music and just have fun.
• 1:32:12
  And he he had a fucking baking tray.
• 1:32:17
  Full with mushrooms. I'd never seen so many mushrooms
• 1:32:20
  in my life and they were all dried ready and everything.
• 1:32:23
  And I'm just looking at this and I know nothing about shrooms at
• 1:32:25
  this point. I'm like just clueless 13 year
• 1:32:28
  olds like just fucking idiot and you know, so we're we've already
• 1:32:34
  know. I don't think weed weed smoking
• 1:32:36
  just yet. We're so we're, we're sober at
• 1:32:39
  this point if you want to call it that and I he said God and
• 1:32:44
  try one. So I just tried a couple These
• 1:32:47
  light fucking take more than that.
• 1:32:49
  So I take a big handful. Like maybe 20 and yeah, and I'm
• 1:32:57
  like, they were fresh-picked, right?
• 1:33:00
  I know said they were like dried out like, okay, cool.
• 1:33:05
  Yeah, I ate them all and I was just like, nothing, like, what
• 1:33:11
  was this? You know, like not knowing,
• 1:33:13
  like, my impending doom and then we go.
• 1:33:16
  Downstairs and we smoke this variety of weed called pollen,
• 1:33:22
  which is pretty potent stuff. I don't know if they still do
• 1:33:24
  it, but it's pretty, it's pretty intense stuff and I remember
• 1:33:30
  because I don't do drugs anymore but when I did there were like,
• 1:33:34
  you know, you always have like that that your top five like
• 1:33:36
  most high of all time. And this was one of those it was
• 1:33:40
  like I remember is that mid-2000s that YouTube had just
• 1:33:44
  become a thing and back? Then it was Just fucking weird.
• 1:33:48
  It was like top. Trumps in terms of like what's
• 1:33:51
  the weirdest video that you can find kind of thing?
• 1:33:53
  And we were just sitting there unbelievably High out of our my
• 1:33:57
  staring at this screen and I shit you not.
• 1:33:59
  It was like some sort of dance techno music with people like
• 1:34:03
  marching on the screen like And we will just like, and I just, I
• 1:34:11
  kind of blacked out. I don't really remember much.
• 1:34:14
  I just remember, just intense staring and being out there and
• 1:34:20
  very, very high. Oh yeah, that sounds like a
• 1:34:29
  awful. I've never overdosed on shrooms.
• 1:34:32
  No, I died. Like, it's not sensible thing to
• 1:34:35
  do. Yeah.
• 1:34:37
  And that would that would be hilarious.
• 1:34:41
  So that the times that I've often the times, I've got the
• 1:34:44
  most highest have been purely by accident, like there was one
• 1:34:47
  time where the guy sold us like three bouts of weed and he'd
• 1:34:54
  laced them with different things.
• 1:34:56
  And one of them was laced with ketamine, which I found out
• 1:34:58
  afterwards and I was fine, but it was the most probably Yeah,
• 1:35:08
  the most high I've ever been in my entire life.
• 1:35:10
  I remember it was a really hot day like 30 degrees.
• 1:35:14
  It's really hot summer and we're all sitting in a group and I
• 1:35:20
  remember just being freezing cold, really cold shivering.
• 1:35:24
  And I turned to this girl next to me.
• 1:35:26
  And I'm just like, ah, as freezing, isn't it?
• 1:35:29
  And she's like, just looks at me, like, I'm mentals.
• 1:35:31
  Thus, like, what are you talking about?
• 1:35:33
  It's boiling. And I'm like, that's my first
• 1:35:36
  like, uh, And then the second thing that happened, it's really
• 1:35:42
  weird to explain this. I mean I felt like a dream.
• 1:35:44
  It was like imagine that you're watching your life like you're
• 1:35:48
  sitting in a theater and you're watching your life on the screen
• 1:35:52
  and then every one or two minutes you kind of jump back
• 1:35:57
  into yourself and you are you again and then you drop back and
• 1:36:02
  forth and back and forth and it was basically like that for like
• 1:36:04
  a good hour and then eventually I I was smoking the ketamine
• 1:36:09
  room. Yeah, it was crazy.
• 1:36:13
  That's awful. It was kind of scary.
• 1:36:17
  Yeah. I mean I joke about it now but
• 1:36:19
  like at the time I was kind of I remember my heartbeat going and
• 1:36:24
  I and it was like I need to calm down like I need to just chill
• 1:36:27
  and every element every time I would kind of come back into
• 1:36:30
  myself and feel cold. I was like right okay we're back
• 1:36:34
  for like a minute. Let's just relax.
• 1:36:37
  Drink some water, just calm down, it'll go away.
• 1:36:41
  It's okay. And I was like because I You
• 1:36:45
  know, I it's who could I call? I couldn't be like, hey mom,
• 1:36:48
  guess what? Like, you know.
• 1:36:49
  I mean like I and she would have lost their mind if I don't think
• 1:36:53
  she knows this as well. So if you're watching sorry Mom.
• 1:36:59
  Yeah, it's kind of crazy. But anyway, that's that's that's
• 1:37:04
  fucking funny. What's the what's the highest
• 1:37:06
  you've ever been, right? What was your experience?
• 1:37:14
  Like a fun one or a sad one. Oh shit.
• 1:37:17
  Okay maybe let's start with the sad one and end on the good one.
• 1:37:23
  Then that's kind of nice balance.
• 1:37:25
  Okay. Okay, let's do it.
• 1:37:27
  All right, I don't know who's watching, brother.
• 1:37:30
  Hope you're ready. When I was 16.
• 1:37:37
  I was riding around with my friends and Ended up going to
• 1:37:44
  one of my friends house and it was like pretty much.
• 1:37:48
  He had like Freedom. Like his mom didn't give a fuck
• 1:37:51
  what he did it in. Like she was like really
• 1:37:54
  successful. So I always get really fucking
• 1:38:05
  high over there and Basically, one of my friends, he had a
• 1:38:12
  bunch of pills like oh, wow, okay, yeah, uppers downers,
• 1:38:17
  everything just kidding. Now, what he had was what was it
• 1:38:27
  I took a To muscle relaxers re antidepressants in to Vicodins.
• 1:38:37
  Oh my God. I took them all and then crazy
• 1:38:43
  man that smoke to hella weed and yeah, it is my impending doom
• 1:38:52
  and was soon to come, I toughed it out and I never had to go get
• 1:38:56
  my stomach pumped under anything.
• 1:38:58
  I didn't die. But I Fuck.
• 1:39:01
  I mean it should have in Jesus but I definitely lost control of
• 1:39:09
  my body and was blacking out. And yeah it was a Yeah, cuz
• 1:39:17
  there was like, I remember levels to it, because I was
• 1:39:20
  somehow, I was conscious the whole time, like, the entire
• 1:39:24
  time. I was very conscious, but like,
• 1:39:27
  I couldn't, like, I couldn't walk.
• 1:39:29
  I couldn't do anything. But, and then like, I'd
• 1:39:32
  recognize when I was blacking out and then I'd come back and
• 1:39:35
  realize that I'm back, you know, like I was completely conscious
• 1:39:39
  somehow, hmm, dumb. Luckily, I'm able to be like
• 1:39:42
  that most of the time when I'm high, even when I'm on streams,
• 1:39:46
  or Vanilla's. Do you like I'm still like me at
• 1:39:48
  the center. It's like I'm able to talk my
• 1:39:52
  debt myself down a little bit. But anyways, so yeah.
• 1:39:59
  We're I take the pills and they're all like, you take all
• 1:40:02
  of them and I'm like, yeah, and now I can fucking crazy.
• 1:40:05
  That was nuts, should have done that and said that thing in
• 1:40:11
  Harry Potter. I should know.
• 1:40:33
  at this point I'm just like kind of like acting like a fool movie
• 1:40:41
  a little bit and like it's really funny and Like I was I'm
• 1:40:49
  good I'm like being annoying like I would consider myself
• 1:40:52
  annoying even though they're laughing and shit like then I
• 1:40:55
  like calm down and then we parked somewhere and at that
• 1:41:01
  point like get it kicked in like completely in like a shit.
• 1:41:06
  I was just like passed out and then like I'd come back and
• 1:41:09
  realize we're still where we were parked and then like a bong
• 1:41:14
  got handed to me. And I tried to hit it as my
• 1:41:17
  first time to ever heard of Ang and I hit it.
• 1:41:22
  And I blew the water all the way to the spout back into the
• 1:41:27
  Banya. And yeah, I was, I was a, I was
• 1:41:33
  the belle of the ball that night I remembered.
• 1:41:39
  Like when I did friends, I've been friends, he got me home and
• 1:41:43
  my God. Okay, yeah, it washed.
• 1:41:45
  They were My pants then like I didn't throw up at all.
• 1:41:49
  Like I didn't like, you know, need to, you know, get I didn't
• 1:41:54
  feel the need to get my stomach pumped.
• 1:41:56
  Like I was just like gone. Yeah.
• 1:41:59
  I think if you ever are going to do drugs, like you got to be
• 1:42:02
  with people and in a safe place as well somewhere secure?
• 1:42:08
  Yeah just safe place. Yeah.
• 1:42:11
  Most def most but the most Have fun high I've ever been in
• 1:42:23
  college. We took shrooms.
• 1:42:28
  We used to sell pretty big back then and we just decided to try
• 1:42:34
  to get into the shrimp game but we ended up buying an ounce and
• 1:42:37
  taking all of it, but the first one sitting.
• 1:42:42
  No, no, no, no, that's good. Say you eventually sell my crew
• 1:42:46
  does singing, it was really chill.
• 1:42:50
  But yeah, the first time we dosed we took like four, eat
• 1:42:56
  four grams each and like it was like, we got this shit like off
• 1:43:00
  the dark web and like, it was like, supposed to be like and
• 1:43:04
  look potent. And it wants you to mentally was
• 1:43:07
  like, like, I've never been so fucking high.
• 1:43:11
  I've never had such a great time in my life, doing nothing like,
• 1:43:16
  like the adventure that we went on.
• 1:43:18
  Like so, like, back back in the You know, my old College days
• 1:43:22
  like, I would free run my like this block being all cool.
• 1:43:26
  Yeah, yeah. We do have like a bunch of
• 1:43:28
  stuff. A couple of you parkour High.
• 1:43:31
  Man. You're crazy.
• 1:43:35
  We did not do. We didn't park or on shrooms?
• 1:43:39
  Let's say it was a terrible idea that skateboarding drunk.
• 1:43:50
  One time and that was a big mistake.
• 1:43:52
  That's so. We take the shrooms and we're
• 1:44:01
  waiting for him to kick in and this is the first dose of had in
• 1:44:04
  probably like a year and a half like since I've been in high
• 1:44:07
  school like so am I like? All right.
• 1:44:10
  This is gonna be a big one. So like we're playing basketball
• 1:44:14
  down at the apartment courts and like, I don't know, I just feel
• 1:44:20
  weird. And I just like, look up at the
• 1:44:23
  clouds, like I lay down and all of a sudden, the clouds are like
• 1:44:28
  Road Standing inside themselves and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's
• 1:44:31
  happening and oh stop ruining the vibe and you're
• 1:44:49
  like you don't understand. Like luckily we were all on the
• 1:44:56
  same level and like okay, Experimental level like yo
• 1:45:00
  everybody let like we need to know whenever it kicks you know
• 1:45:04
  like yeah this is like so I was like the first one to get hit.
• 1:45:09
  See you in this like are y'all hitting it yet?
• 1:45:13
  And they eventually like they was they started tripping pretty
• 1:45:17
  good. And yeah, we just walked around
• 1:45:20
  rr3 running around and like we tried to climb trees and stuff
• 1:45:26
  but it was fucking hard like one of Of my buddies fell out of the
• 1:45:30
  tree like, landing on his ass. Pretty funny.
• 1:45:34
  And yeah, if a cop or I've somebody would have talked to
• 1:45:42
  us. Like they would have definitely
• 1:45:44
  known that. We were wrong.
• 1:45:46
  I'm in the one and only time that a peace officer called me.
• 1:45:49
  Hi, it was so bad. Like any?
• 1:45:53
  We were lucky but it was like we were in this local park.
• 1:45:56
  He was patrolling. He was a tall guy. we like,
• 1:46:00
  Again must have been 14 ish give or take and I we quickly tried
• 1:46:09
  to hide our weed, but he's like just quit it but he's really,
• 1:46:13
  he's like the chillest. Peace officer.
• 1:46:15
  You've ever met in your life. Who's just?
• 1:46:16
  Like I know what you're doing. I'm with me.
• 1:46:20
  Fuck. And I'm just sitting there
• 1:46:23
  thinking like damn man, my mom's gonna kill me and like this is
• 1:46:27
  the end of me and fuck fuck fuck fuck.
• 1:46:30
  But unlike in like, I might get arrested and like, oh, shit.
• 1:46:33
  And then, he just walks over and he's just like, I know what
• 1:46:38
  you're doing. How much have you had?
• 1:46:41
  And we're like, I'm tempted to lie but I'm like, he's been
• 1:46:44
  leveling with me. I'm just gonna level with him.
• 1:46:46
  I might not like, you know, where high, but it's fine and
• 1:46:50
  he's like Okay you guys live nearby?
• 1:46:54
  My like yeah he's like okay well look I don't want you doing this
• 1:46:59
  anymore. Relax, take care of yourselves,
• 1:47:04
  maybe Nest, less keep this to a low and we're like, okay, okay.
• 1:47:12
  And we're like, looking at our like, is this really happening?
• 1:47:14
  Is he really like letting letting us go and he says, like
• 1:47:19
  see you later. And we're like holy fuck.
• 1:47:21
  Isn't a joke. He's actually letting us do
• 1:47:24
  this. Oh my God.
• 1:47:26
  And then we decided to get even more high after that.
• 1:47:30
  Yeah, hell yeah. Oh, yeah, shit.
• 1:47:33
  Dude, I have tons of getting away with weed and like, lying
• 1:47:38
  to the cops or is man. It's what's your best one?
• 1:47:41
  What's your best FIB? Or best getting away story?
• 1:47:46
  So we were on tour. I was on tour with only would
• 1:47:49
  click and I was driving and Willis's and my passengers to
• 1:47:55
  see and then CODIS. Behind Willis and then we have
• 1:48:00
  our friends. Richard.
• 1:48:05
  Sorry I um but yeah so Richards in the back and we brought like
• 1:48:13
  couples Ann's and we brought a couple ounces and basically I
• 1:48:21
  told them not to bring any federal offenses.
• 1:48:26
  Okay. Like don't bring any
• 1:48:28
  prescription pills. Don't bring more than 2 ounces.
• 1:48:31
  Like don't don't bro Federal Like rules since we're traveling
• 1:48:37
  because my sticker is out. My registration stickers up, we
• 1:48:41
  are inevitably going to get pulled over. and they're like,
• 1:48:45
  all right, whatever, but Willis is dumb and he brought you know,
• 1:48:50
  prescriptions and Then Richard, you know, he brought a bunch of
• 1:48:57
  weed himself anyway and because we like to, like, kind of like
• 1:49:03
  so weed whenever we get to show. Yeah.
• 1:49:06
  It's pretty, it's pretty easy. It's pretty easy to do.
• 1:49:11
  I don't know how I feel about this.
• 1:49:13
  A good Mix famous, but part of me is like, hmm.
• 1:49:16
  This is a good marketing techniques is clever and pop,
• 1:49:19
  he's like, no, you shouldn't be selling drugs to your fans.
• 1:49:25
  You get high with us. Why not?
• 1:49:27
  Again with this. It's okay, but not weeds great.
• 1:49:35
  Um, but yeah, now we got pulled over in a small town and I
• 1:49:40
  didn't know Willis had. I didn't know how much anybody
• 1:49:43
  has. Like I just assumed that they
• 1:49:45
  had listened to me because most of the time they do and yeah.
• 1:49:50
  So The dude pulls me out and he's like I can smoke pot in the
• 1:49:58
  vehicle. You know I have I'm going to
• 1:50:00
  search. It like, is there anything that
• 1:50:01
  you want to tell me? I'm like, yeah, there's a little
• 1:50:06
  like in the passenger seat and what I'm lit.
• 1:50:10
  Both like we were smoke. We were smoking a bowl like
• 1:50:14
  while we're getting pulled over coincident but he just he
• 1:50:17
  happened to see my registration. So that's how it needs you.
• 1:50:23
  Smokey. But anyways, so he goes and he
• 1:50:29
  checks the passenger and Willis is there.
• 1:50:33
  He should have just eaten the, the script, the Xanax like he
• 1:50:37
  should just, you know, down him then just had to deal with it
• 1:50:43
  because it was only like two, but even if you have wanted to
• 1:50:46
  film and yeah, so He is definitely going to jail
• 1:50:58
  immediately as soon as he finds those right now, but the thing
• 1:51:04
  is, is like the officer. Oh, in the entire time, while
• 1:51:08
  Willis has the officer distracted, Richard is stuffing
• 1:51:13
  a bunch of weed into my panel and feel like my door panels and
• 1:51:21
  shit. And the cops pull Richard out,
• 1:51:26
  and Richard ends up moment, only having like an eighth on him.
• 1:51:32
  So, the guys, like I'm gonna take this and I'm gonna give you
• 1:51:38
  a warning or whatever. Yeah.
• 1:51:40
  Like, you know, I'm going to take this and then he takes the
• 1:51:44
  pipe, and then he takes my grinder, and then he Only six
• 1:51:51
  plus to jail but um and then so we're about to go to Houston.
• 1:52:00
  Yeah. We're on our way to Houston and
• 1:52:03
  we're halfway there. And this is really annoying and
• 1:52:08
  I told Willis not to do bring any, you know, felonies and he
• 1:52:14
  did. But I mean, the cop said that he
• 1:52:20
  would have my wheels go and Trust has an on-the-ground if
• 1:52:23
  his supervisor didn't pull up immediately.
• 1:52:27
  Right. That sucks man.
• 1:52:29
  Like we almost could have got away with it.
• 1:52:33
  Yeah, and but, but alright. So then like, I had to get an
• 1:52:38
  Airbnb in this Podunk town and like it was just like a lot.
• 1:52:43
  Like a plot of land that you could camp on for like 35 bucks
• 1:52:47
  a night, we pulled up and like set up a fire and like we're
• 1:52:53
  eating all the tour food that we brought in.
• 1:52:55
  Like we just can't that it waited for Willis to get, you
• 1:52:59
  know, bailed out or like on Bond and Yeah, then we took my panel,
• 1:53:07
  like my door panels apart and got like 18 grams out of it.
• 1:53:13
  And then after that, Richard was like, let's just fucking smoke,
• 1:53:17
  dude. Fuck this look looks.
• 1:53:21
  So then we got really fucking stoned and really fucking full
• 1:53:24
  off of sandwiches and salads. That's that's an important Point
• 1:53:29
  as well. You need, you need to, if you
• 1:53:30
  get a smoke weed, you need to be prepared food, wise, nothing
• 1:53:34
  worse than trying. Shop when you're high as just
• 1:53:36
  the worst just being on that for like you have to think like
• 1:53:40
  smartass just like being efficient with your money in
• 1:53:44
  general. Like, you have to write a lot of
• 1:53:46
  food. So I'm like, how are you going
• 1:53:49
  to do that? Small, you know, sandwich?
• 1:53:52
  No, it's so how do you work out the budget, like, who does that
• 1:53:56
  or like what? How does that work?
• 1:53:59
  We just kind of know what we can afford and then and everyone
• 1:54:04
  kind of chips in like equally awesome.
• 1:54:06
  Heard everyone kind of provides for themselves on tour like pays
• 1:54:10
  for themselves okay but like you know if we're you know normally
• 1:54:17
  I'm the one driving so like everyone has to chip in for
• 1:54:20
  that. Yeah they'll pay for my gas but
• 1:54:24
  to get or like something like that.
• 1:54:26
  Like and then like, in terms of like, Hang for the tours like to
• 1:54:37
  get on the tours like we chip in.
• 1:54:41
  We all kind of go, you know, thirds on that one.
• 1:54:47
  Because what we do admit that, you know, sometimes paying to
• 1:54:51
  play, is a good move. Yeah.
• 1:54:55
  And like we you get it's like you can spend $120 on for
• 1:55:01
  backstage tickets to a rapper or musician.
• 1:55:06
  You can spend $120 to be on stage with him.
• 1:55:12
  Yeah. I mean I think it depends on
• 1:55:14
  what you're going to get like if I was in the same situation.
• 1:55:16
  I'd look oh yeah, yeah yeah. What are we paying for here?
• 1:55:19
  Like yeah, you have to pick the people specifically, you know,
• 1:55:23
  I'm not going to just get on any tour.
• 1:55:25
  Like reason I'm going on this Juggalo tours because they're
• 1:55:28
  inviting me and they've had a lot of successful shows and like
• 1:55:33
  I trust this Chugalug label. Yeah, there, I didn't have to
• 1:55:40
  pay for that one and like a lot of the tour's you really didn't
• 1:55:44
  have to pay for honestly, like when we're Me and Willis went to
• 1:55:48
  California. Like all I had to do was sell
• 1:55:51
  like pretty tickets here in Austin and then he took me all
• 1:55:55
  around Texas Colorado and then I took a break and went to
• 1:55:59
  Minnesota and went and hung out with my uncle in like the
• 1:56:03
  Minneapolis metal scene and then I met back up with the tour in
• 1:56:08
  California. Marine that was just because I
• 1:56:13
  sold 30 tickets. I made the dude $600.
• 1:56:16
  And he just was like, okay, that's fine.
• 1:56:20
  You can come with this stuff. Do you ever think about just
• 1:56:22
  getting like a manager that can Soul this shout for you, you
• 1:56:26
  know, just get you gigs, get told to the people so you don't
• 1:56:28
  have to, you know, obviously yeah, it sucks because you'd
• 1:56:31
  have to like pay them and shit but like it would kind of save
• 1:56:34
  you guys time and hassle, you know.
• 1:56:36
  Well the thing is is if we were if if It find a manager to work
• 1:56:42
  pro bono until we were profitable would be amazing.
• 1:56:47
  But like, you know until then like yeah we don't have the
• 1:56:51
  funds, just pay somebody to just look for the same shit that we
• 1:56:54
  could already do ourselves, you know, like fair enough.
• 1:56:57
  Yeah, I got that. What have been the biggest
• 1:57:02
  challenges in your music career so far?
• 1:57:07
  Making money. It's always difficult in the
• 1:57:11
  beginning and I think I made my first band we only ever got paid
• 1:57:14
  like once and like all the shows I've ever played.
• 1:57:18
  Yeah, one thing that one shows and I did my streaming Revenue
• 1:57:26
  like once, but it really wasn't that impressive then Hey is, I
• 1:57:34
  do have like DMT songs on Spotify.
• 1:57:37
  Yeah. So like I was able to get some
• 1:57:42
  sort of, you know, money off of out of that and yeah, but mostly
• 1:57:50
  have pretty much only been paid for shows but or selling tickets
• 1:57:56
  in the making profit off tickets, that certainly does
• 1:58:00
  seem like though the main way to make money at the moment in
• 1:58:04
  terms of the music industry, you know like I often hear like
• 1:58:08
  major musicians, talk about the fact that they own like next to
• 1:58:12
  peanuts on Spotify, even though, you know, they might have like
• 1:58:15
  millions of listens and stuff it really Equate too much money so
• 1:58:19
  the money is more in like as you say a playing shows merchandise.
• 1:58:27
  Yeah, if I've paid rent with my new show money before her like
• 1:58:33
  that felt really good. No, nice one.
• 1:58:36
  So it was like, That was a goal and I had reached and I was
• 1:58:41
  like, okay, if I can do this once I can do it eventually,
• 1:58:44
  again, you know? But I mean, like, because of
• 1:58:49
  covid, we want to focus on, you know, how to, how to get us on
• 1:58:54
  Spotify, and get streaming revenue.
• 1:58:57
  And, you know, how to get us on YouTube, and we got to figure
• 1:59:02
  this shit out. ASAP blame them.
• 1:59:06
  And what would you say? Your biggest kind of
• 1:59:09
  achievements in music so far. Excuse me.
• 1:59:17
  Um, for one learning how to Freestyle is something that I
• 1:59:25
  wasn't, it something I wasn't born with.
• 1:59:27
  Like there's been naturally come up with things, but I was
• 1:59:33
  always, like, a creative writer, like, in general, like, I always
• 1:59:37
  appreciated lyrics like her, I was like a little kid, like I
• 1:59:42
  would just like, we do like lyric books and covers and if I
• 1:59:47
  was just like, study that stuff and then, Like just having my
• 1:59:56
  appreciation for music I guess. Cause like I hope most genres
• 2:00:02
  and I can listen to most things and we understand you're doing
• 2:00:08
  you know if it's genuine what it means it was good for maybe.
• 2:00:16
  I try to look at stuff like that and then, it's just Yeah so
• 2:00:28
  that's my appreciation for it and like just having my
• 2:00:32
  appreciation that's one of my greatest things but because it's
• 2:00:37
  hard to like create an open mind you know so I'd say that that
• 2:00:42
  was a big accomplishment for me to overlook a lot of things. but
• 2:00:49
  in terms of like, I physical things, do you have you ever
• 2:00:57
  heard of like Xavier Wulf, or Trying to think of some big
• 2:01:05
  rappers ever. Heard her Riff Raff, which I
• 2:01:08
  know not. Okay.
• 2:01:09
  So some some major rappers have, I've opened for a lot of really
• 2:01:16
  Famous rappers that are like pretty big and I've gotten to
• 2:01:23
  meet a lot of people who are used to look up to as a little
• 2:01:27
  kid, just like you. I just don't listen to just to
• 2:01:31
  get pumped for baseball or something like that.
• 2:01:34
  Like now I'm over here rapping on stage like in front of them
• 2:01:38
  and it's really weird. End.
• 2:01:44
  Yeah, I would just say that. Also kind of bringing the punk
• 2:01:50
  rap, email rep, vibe to Austin. Like we're kind of like the
• 2:01:54
  original ones to bring it out. That was awesome.
• 2:02:00
  Yeah, it's definitely a few accomplishments in life in music
• 2:02:05
  at least I can God's. That's that sounds awesome.
• 2:02:09
  And actually that kind of fits in well with my next question.
• 2:02:13
  What are your best? And worst experiences playing
• 2:02:17
  live shows best experiences. Well, let's start, let's do it
• 2:02:25
  again. The negative positive thing
• 2:02:27
  that's start with the worst one and then, you know, when you're
• 2:02:30
  feeling low, will bring it back up to the positivity of the
• 2:02:34
  worst experiences. Um, I'll be General and then
• 2:02:39
  I'll get the specific point. Um so it does suck whenever
• 2:02:47
  you're playing for nobody like we've had shows where I was
• 2:02:55
  really big and then all of a sudden everybody shuffles out
• 2:02:58
  and there's nobody and then it's you and a few other tests as
• 2:03:02
  well. Yeah, well, you're headlining.
• 2:03:03
  And it's like it's inevitable when you're playing quite late
• 2:03:07
  and maybe a circle weekday, or some shit exactly.
• 2:03:10
  And like, Whenever you perform so often because like there was
• 2:03:14
  a point in time where we were performing twice a week and like
• 2:03:18
  we were busy as fuck and you know and on top of being fours
• 2:03:24
  and stuff, sometimes, the tour shows are really lame and like
• 2:03:28
  it's like okay this night wasn't what we expected.
• 2:03:32
  So that sucks and then you have to just kind of go to the next
• 2:03:37
  city and hope it better than what that night was. but, I
• 2:03:43
  would say the most aggravating time I've ever been on stage was
• 2:03:51
  whenever we were opening up for I don't know.
• 2:03:56
  Jeffrey and Xavier Wulf. In Austin and we're the people
• 2:04:02
  before them to come on and people wanted to see Xavier Wulf
• 2:04:11
  so bad that they were my talents stage and like, like, of course,
• 2:04:17
  like they were, they enjoyed my set, but then Willis's set went
• 2:04:22
  on and then we'll is the second longer than because like we were
• 2:04:27
  just kind of being jackasses. That point and we're just seeing
• 2:04:33
  how far we can get with this shit and eventually 0 because
• 2:04:39
  Xavier Wulf wasn't even there yet and he was just outside
• 2:04:41
  smoking. So we were just trying to fill
• 2:04:43
  time. That's right.
• 2:04:45
  Did any what did anyone say like?
• 2:04:46
  Hey, you know, just keep going. Or was that my yeah.
• 2:04:50
  Well now we're honestly mean, we're so good at improv.
• 2:04:53
  Like it only took like one signal from like, oh he's here.
• 2:04:58
  Okay. He's outside.
• 2:05:00
  Oh, he's taking his time, you know, like it was pretty easy to
• 2:05:05
  judge whenever he was ready to go on, you know, fair enough.
• 2:05:09
  So, we just kept going, and everybody was just like, nobody
• 2:05:13
  even realize, like, like, we were going so hard and like,
• 2:05:17
  trying to convince people to watch it so much that, like,
• 2:05:19
  people weren't even, like, turning around to see that
• 2:05:22
  Xavier will outside and like he's really funny.
• 2:05:26
  Um, so yeah, they were, they were like, they enjoyed my Like
• 2:05:33
  I said and on like it was, they were getting more and more I
• 2:05:39
  guess unruly. But yeah, that was, that was
• 2:05:45
  pretty. It was a pretty interesting
• 2:05:48
  night. I would say, hey and let's
• 2:05:52
  switch it up and go to your best experience or experiences
• 2:05:56
  playing live. Tosa.
• 2:06:04
  I mean like all of the every single flow down that I've ever
• 2:06:09
  done whether it be just a regular flow down or a A protest
• 2:06:18
  like it's the most fun live experience I've ever given like
• 2:06:25
  for myself. And personally I think for
• 2:06:27
  others like of course, seeing eye we will click on stage is
• 2:06:31
  fun. You get to mosh pit and you
• 2:06:34
  know, chance fun things. But like, whatever.
• 2:06:39
  Like you're freestyling in like you're impressing people and
• 2:06:43
  like you're having a fun time. Just jamming out.
• 2:06:45
  And But it's just like brains are just meshing together.
• 2:06:51
  I just immediately to like you know, it's like some
• 2:06:55
  split-second thinking so it's just really, that's really cool
• 2:07:00
  till I experience. So I love, I love playing with
• 2:07:03
  86 full-time band and but the best show I ever had was the
• 2:07:10
  best memory from rap show I ever had was my very last official
• 2:07:19
  show, which was the one where I was on tour with Willis and we
• 2:07:24
  went to California and we met Xavier Wulf Jeffrey Chris.
• 2:07:29
  Travis Eddie Baker maybe some people will know who I'm talking
• 2:07:34
  about but yeah, they're pretty big in the rap scene and We were
• 2:07:42
  in Downtown LA at this place called rare house and it was me
• 2:07:47
  my girlfriend and Willis in. Basically.
• 2:07:57
  We got to luckily we got to be in like the artist cage and like
• 2:08:02
  be separated from the crowd because the crowd was so thick.
• 2:08:05
  Like it was it was very packed in there like it was bad. and
• 2:08:11
  then, Make the floor was warping.
• 2:08:15
  It was like it was. Yeah, it could have collapsed
• 2:08:19
  Heisel and It was like 120 degrees in on our yeah.
• 2:08:28
  I like it was so hot and like we were so fucking high like his I
• 2:08:34
  had taken like a quarter of his in and then like just till I
• 2:08:39
  take my anxiety away. I cannot imagine performing.
• 2:08:44
  I mean I tried it drunk and that was one thing but doing it.
• 2:08:47
  Hi Ike. I don't know how you pulled that
• 2:08:49
  off. I mean, fair play every time.
• 2:08:54
  I mean where the most part I'm sober every single time that I
• 2:08:58
  perform because all right so whenever I set it to quarters
• 2:09:02
  and like I didn't get high off of that.
• 2:09:04
  Oh I got what you meant now just and then like, so I get to pick
• 2:09:08
  my anxiety away. Mixed with the heat and like the
• 2:09:14
  heat putting me in like this weird dream state and then like,
• 2:09:19
  eventually smoking like I was fucked up.
• 2:09:23
  Like I was I the whole night was so surreal and trippy and like
• 2:09:29
  performing like Willis threw up on the stage, like it was
• 2:09:32
  hilarious. How did the crowd react to that?
• 2:09:36
  When I just thought it was just like it was funny.
• 2:09:41
  The back and through of behind the stage and that and then he
• 2:09:48
  ran back. And was like, I just fucking
• 2:09:50
  puke. There was like yeah.
• 2:09:54
  And then like whenever I was trying to get him to Marsh like
• 2:09:58
  they must pretty well like everybody was you know, received
• 2:10:01
  a pretty well and then like I think it was mostly just fact
• 2:10:06
  that we made it to California. Was the coolest thing about that
• 2:10:11
  night, you know, like we had a show in California opening up
• 2:10:15
  for some onions, know in the rap game.
• 2:10:21
  Awesome. Thanks for sharing that.
• 2:10:24
  I appreciate it. Kind of okay these this I think
• 2:10:29
  this is always a cool question. I always ask this to musicians
• 2:10:31
  that I have on the show. What advice would you give to
• 2:10:35
  aspiring musicians who are just starting out right now?
• 2:10:41
  and as much music as possible, and Myrn why music, the music
• 2:10:52
  you're listening to created and who made it and what they're
• 2:10:57
  about? Hmm, yeah that's a lesser to get
• 2:11:02
  advice but I think it's interesting you say that as well
• 2:11:07
  because a lot of the time when I look at my favorite musicians,
• 2:11:11
  particularly when I look at their influences and it like it
• 2:11:14
  makes sense in terms of what they play.
• 2:11:18
  Had a musician on recently from from Estonia.
• 2:11:21
  So it's quite a popular musician over there and he was just
• 2:11:25
  telling me some of his influences and I was like, yeah,
• 2:11:27
  no, I hear that in what you play actually and I'm like, yeah,
• 2:11:31
  that makes sense. Just all the pieces connect the
• 2:11:35
  AC. Yeah.
• 2:11:37
  My my influence is definitely stand out in my music like terms
• 2:11:41
  of like the lyricism like The context would, you know, it
• 2:11:48
  could come from? Country music to metal to to,
• 2:11:55
  like, old 2005 emo, punk, rap, rock stuff.
• 2:12:03
  You know, like, like it, definitely surfaces and then
• 2:12:07
  like the sound is just like, is there any like, particular
• 2:12:12
  artists, the like inspire you, or that you kind of mostly like,
• 2:12:22
  Yeah, but it's mostly like for their talents and not their
• 2:12:25
  sound out there. We're talking about technical
• 2:12:31
  ability then yeah, so I like pretty, pretty is one of my
• 2:12:36
  biggest influences. Steven Tyler Billie Joe
• 2:12:43
  Armstrong? Yeah, let's see.
• 2:12:50
  And then like you could look at my influences and a lot of them
• 2:12:56
  like old-school. I won't Thugs and Harmony like
• 2:12:59
  Three 6 Mafia house, until a lot of like death row like from the
• 2:13:07
  90s and stuff and But I also, you know, I've listened to
• 2:13:14
  Grime. I wasn't.
• 2:13:15
  I like, I used to watch a Blackpool rap, you know, those
• 2:13:20
  are, yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.
• 2:13:24
  It's very different. I must say that because
• 2:13:26
  obviously, I grew up with UK crime and stuff.
• 2:13:28
  And yeah, when I would compare it to, what was going on in the
• 2:13:31
  states. It was, it was like, obviously
• 2:13:34
  UK grapping, you could Grime is heavily inspired by American
• 2:13:38
  rapper, its own entity like, Yeah, it's like I don't know
• 2:13:46
  Grime. When I listen to Grime it's like
• 2:13:48
  it's very British for me. It's like something.
• 2:13:51
  I think that will pretty proud of because it's just so, like,
• 2:13:54
  sometimes you just get those things that are just so
• 2:13:56
  quintessentially, like, from a particular place, like, you
• 2:13:59
  know, gangster rap is very like, that's an American thing, you
• 2:14:03
  know? And yeah, it's just how it is.
• 2:14:05
  But yeah, I gave it to me, it's cool.
• 2:14:08
  It's cool to check out different scenes, different countries, see
• 2:14:10
  what they're doing. Like, I see some really
• 2:14:14
  interesting rappers from from Europe and countries like yeah
• 2:14:18
  like Russia for example just really out there.
• 2:14:21
  Different different styles you know the Little O's an influence
• 2:14:27
  for a big influence for the most recent project was BTS.
• 2:14:37
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 2:14:38
  Okay. Yeah.
• 2:14:39
  So I quit the singing in the fast rapping and then like yeah
• 2:14:45
  that's trying to I was trying to be hoppy K Papi.
• 2:14:49
  Hey I mean if there was ever a time to do it it's now because
• 2:14:51
  it seems to be like really peaking in terms of popularity
• 2:14:54
  right now. It's like the thing, isn't it?
• 2:14:56
  Like I, you know, like even though it's like I was never I
• 2:15:00
  always thought that Korean pop is kind of an interesting thing
• 2:15:03
  but I didn't really know anything about it and then I
• 2:15:05
  listened to this BTS act and I was like goddamn this was not
• 2:15:09
  what I was expecting at all like I would for it was just some
• 2:15:12
  boy. Band and then I listened to us
• 2:15:13
  like dial when you hear like the solo acts within that group as
• 2:15:20
  well and it's some good shit. Go check that out.
• 2:15:23
  If anyone is listening. Good stuff.
• 2:15:26
  Yeah, shout out BTS. Like they need.
• 2:15:30
  I think they actually broke YouTube record apparently, with
• 2:15:33
  their latest. I would not doubt it.
• 2:15:37
  Yeah, something like the most viewed in a The shortest amount
• 2:15:44
  of time or something like that for a huge.
• 2:15:46
  It's apparently, I don't know. This is what I heard.
• 2:15:48
  I definitely contributed to that because I'd I watched it within
• 2:15:53
  like, 3 hours that they dropped it because I was just on YouTube
• 2:15:56
  and I saw I just looked at my subscriptions and I was like, oh
• 2:15:59
  shit. Um I just drove.
• 2:16:02
  Yeah. I like, I'm not even subscribe
• 2:16:03
  to them back or recommended to the algorithms like check it
• 2:16:07
  out, check it out, check it out, listen to this.
• 2:16:11
  Okay then. So drawing everything to her
• 2:16:13
  clothes. Do you have any upcoming
• 2:16:16
  projects or maybe some final thoughts that you'd like to
• 2:16:19
  share with us? I mean projects.
• 2:16:23
  Yes. I'm cute.
• 2:16:29
  So the main one that I want everyone to know about, is the
• 2:16:35
  ugly, boy, click project that we're working on, be dropping a
• 2:16:40
  single pretty soon. We're not, we're all dropping so
• 2:16:44
  stuff right now. Just to people because like we
• 2:16:47
  haven't really been dropping them which music.
• 2:16:48
  So the guys and I are going to be, you know, I just dropped my
• 2:16:52
  album and then to Cody and Willis going to drop some stuff.
• 2:16:57
  Kind of get tired of that and build hype for like the, you
• 2:17:01
  know, the three, the dynamic song, you know.
• 2:17:06
  People are gonna hopefully be really Blown Away by that one
• 2:17:09
  because it's legitimately really good song like actually two in
• 2:17:15
  one. So you're like the people are
• 2:17:17
  going to get two different sounding songs on one on one
• 2:17:21
  track. You have a particular date
• 2:17:25
  penciled in for this? No.
• 2:17:27
  Yeah, it just like it's just like as of now it's still like a
• 2:17:31
  month and a half away at least because I want to my album up to
• 2:17:37
  a few hundred views and you know, Willis and Cody are going
• 2:17:42
  to drop, there's and do the same and then eventually those
• 2:17:45
  numbers are going to plateau. And then yeah, then we'll drop
• 2:17:51
  the because we're saying that like we're just trying to get
• 2:17:55
  dropped, he's solo songs. Because we want to solidify this
• 2:17:59
  the fan base that we have now. But whenever we drop this
• 2:18:02
  single, we're going to actually put some marketing into it,
• 2:18:05
  right? Yeah.
• 2:18:07
  Because that's going to be the actual, the real re debut of
• 2:18:10
  ugly boyk and I'm like, not to say that like, we don't have
• 2:18:16
  money to spend on marketing. We just never really found the
• 2:18:22
  an efficient way to do it. They made us feel comfortable
• 2:18:25
  and Basically I think we have a good plan now.
• 2:18:32
  I'm so and Willis is going to take care of a lot of that, and
• 2:18:37
  I trust him on that. So wait works.
• 2:18:40
  And yeah, I think the but I really think the new single kind
• 2:18:46
  of capture people's attention pretty hard because this you
• 2:18:50
  might consider this other stuff. Mediocre like are so stuff like
• 2:18:53
  that, we drop right before but like I said, that's kind of just
• 2:18:56
  four. Personal fan base but I think
• 2:19:01
  that the new songs and then all of the tracks that we already
• 2:19:04
  have preceding it I think they're really gonna go pretty
• 2:19:10
  far if we put some real marketing behind it.
• 2:19:13
  Excellent. Well thank you, thank you for
• 2:19:14
  sharing. I definitely look forward to
• 2:19:16
  hearing that because particularly because of what we
• 2:19:19
  discussed earlier about being drastically different in terms
• 2:19:22
  of sound and stuff, it'll be interesting to see what you guys
• 2:19:24
  come up with. Yeah.
• 2:19:27
  My my other project that I have so it's already recorded.
• 2:19:32
  I'm just waiting on. And this will probably be
• 2:19:36
  released after my this year. So, do you know whom little peep
• 2:19:44
  is what should be? No, no, it's fine.
• 2:19:50
  Um, special people would listening do though, so, yeah,
• 2:19:55
  that's definitely. so, Basically he's a SoundCloud rapper emo
• 2:20:02
  rapper. Okay.
• 2:20:03
  And he was highly influential to a lot of people and he was like
• 2:20:11
  a really big deal over here and over in Europe for the most part
• 2:20:15
  and he OD'd. And he was like, he was like a
• 2:20:25
  legend in the making essentially and Whenever he died a lot of
• 2:20:32
  his you know, people who only think I just house like they
• 2:20:37
  obviously had to move out so I kind of took the opportunity to
• 2:20:42
  hit some of them up and my not listening to their music
• 2:20:47
  individually and like I said, some of my up and this one guy
• 2:20:52
  responded and local why? And like he has a pretty nice
• 2:20:57
  following and I like to set A lot anyways, lyrical bad, and we
• 2:21:03
  ended up just like talking a little bit, then one night.
• 2:21:06
  He like it's me up and he's like, yo, can you buy me a
• 2:21:09
  pizza? Like, I know that like,
• 2:21:12
  everything is going on over there.
• 2:21:13
  You know, like, I understand what's going on over there so
• 2:21:16
  I'm like, yeah. And then so I, yeah, I
• 2:21:20
  sympathize form. I'm the pizza ins like nothing,
• 2:21:25
  like 12 bucks. Whatever cares.
• 2:21:27
  And then Then like I hit him up in my lab and he was like, yeah,
• 2:21:35
  for sure. And then like, he sends me a
• 2:21:37
  beat and then like eventually he's like listening to my old
• 2:21:41
  music and he's like do you want to do like a five song Clap for
• 2:21:46
  like $120. I was like sure.
• 2:21:52
  And he was like yeah, here's a beat folder.
• 2:21:56
  Just pick five Beats from this and like I'm look at It and it's
• 2:21:59
  like really big name. Producers like really big name.
• 2:22:03
  Charlie show for Captain Crunch biscuit beats.
• 2:22:09
  Like there was there was these guys are like really like
• 2:22:13
  renowned here in America and I'm like, getting all of it for 100.
• 2:22:19
  I'm getting five of these things from always like is that's an
• 2:22:23
  insane price. And he's going to go out with me
• 2:22:26
  as well. Like so not only that I get his
• 2:22:30
  following and so basically. Yeah, I'm working on a five-song
• 2:22:39
  project with him and I already have my parts recorded and yes,
• 2:22:44
  sent to him and he's just working on right now.
• 2:22:46
  So I'll probably drop him after all the so I can kind of meet
• 2:22:51
  his fan base in the middle, you know?
• 2:22:55
  So that's no. That's the one sided, you know,
• 2:22:59
  I mean it's good. I mean means you're sort of
• 2:23:03
  releasing a lot of music. There's a lot of stuff for your
• 2:23:05
  fan base that 40 and yeah probably like 20 songs coming
• 2:23:10
  out for me pretty soon. He go efficiency working hard in
• 2:23:15
  this these crazy times. Yeah so yeah I got to do.
• 2:23:21
  Awesome. I guess that would be my closing
• 2:23:24
  statement. Keep working hard in these crazy
• 2:23:26
  times. Let me see.
• 2:23:29
  Thank you very much for for agreeing to appear on the show.
• 2:23:33
  It's been an absolute pleasure and yeah and to everyone that's
• 2:23:37
  been listening to the Christian we've podcast like go check out
• 2:23:40
  DMT, go subscribe to him, you know go and listen to his music.
• 2:23:46
  It's accidents. Very I did it how to put it,
• 2:23:49
  it's different, it's out there, it's it's good music, you know,
• 2:23:53
  first and foremost. And I think a lot of people
• 2:23:55
  would dig it and find something that they enjoy.
• 2:23:57
  And I really like enjoyed listening, particularly your
• 2:23:59
  latest album, big fan of that. So, yeah, that big thank you.
• 2:24:04
  And to everyone listening on the Christian we've podcast.
• 2:24:07
  I hope you're enjoying these video podcasts on YouTube and
• 2:24:13
  all the clips that we're doing. I haven't really spoken about
• 2:24:15
  the clips just yet, but we've been releasing Clips, very
• 2:24:18
  slowly. I'm trying to work through the
• 2:24:20
  backlog of all the podcasts right now.
• 2:24:24
  Always fixating focusing. I should say on the newest
• 2:24:27
  podcast so you always get the clips as soon as the episode is
• 2:24:31
  released. You'll get the immediate Clips
• 2:24:34
  afterwards for the most recent one, but I'm working on the
• 2:24:36
  audio and other ones I'm doing this all myself.
• 2:24:39
  It takes time. So bear with me there.
• 2:24:43
  Yeah, to everyone, listening on Spotify a podcast, Google
• 2:24:47
  podcast. Wherever you are listening or
• 2:24:49
  streaming the podcast. Thank you so much.
• 2:24:51
  I appreciate the support. I'm really enjoying doing this.
• 2:24:56
  Yeah. Just if you know anyone that
• 2:24:58
  would like to appear on the podcast or there's a particular
• 2:25:00
  topic you would like to hear hit me up find me on social media.
• 2:25:04
  I would love to cover the topic or interview the guests you know
• 2:25:07
  it's an absolute pleasure for me and helps me to keep growing and
• 2:25:11
  keep doing this so yeah really appreciate it thank you very
• 2:25:15
  much. And until next time peace.
• 2:25:18
  That one loves you in the next one.