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PODCAST: Episode - 758 Peter Rono of Kaonashi · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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Hey, this is Derek Rivieran from Megadeth and you're listening to
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Ghost Coke Mag com. What's up everybody, it's Kifi
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and you're listening to another Ghost Cult Magazine podcast and
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I am super stoked to be joined by Peter Rano of K Anashi.
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How are you doing today, man? Hey.
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I'm doing good. Thank you for doing this with
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me. Once again, thank you, man.
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This is a pleasure. And like I said, we've got a lot
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of roots in the underground and a lot of hardcore heads that
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follow us still from all our coverage.
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And I'm so pumped to get a band out of the scene that's really
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making moves and doing things. I want to Go Home is the new
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album coming out in early June on the amazing Equal Vision
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Records. I can't believe they're still
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doing the damn thing. I used to buy their tapes and
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compilation CDs at fests and things and their St. team was
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legendary in the Northeast when when I live there.
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I'm in California now. But first and foremost, man,
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thank you. Super looking forward to this
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new record. And just for our listeners, you
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know, like I always wonder if you know, you obviously like
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half the time you play for people who know you and half the
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time you're playing in front of new crowds for people who don't
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know the band or familiar with the band.
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What do you where do you start as a frame of reference to
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explain to people your music? Very first thing that came to
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mind was Dillinger Escape Plan. I was trying to think of a more
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general, easier way to understand it, but that was the
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very first thing that came mind. There's such a huge band for
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like, extreme music, you know what I mean?
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That they reached such a bigger audience.
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I would think a lot of people know them.
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But for someone that's like brand new, like no point of
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reference, I'd say we're just say we're a metal band.
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I used to say post hardcore, math core, metal core, because
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we cover so many different things.
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Hardcore. I'll just say we're a metal
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band. Right on.
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I love that and say like and like not.
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To be too general, you know, But it's like, I think it because it
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is all composing, but it's saying like we're a metal band
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that makes very emotional, intense, personal music.
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Right on. I'm so glad you said Dillinger.
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I'm a huge Dillinger fan all eras and I getting to see them
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again come back. We we covered the no values fest
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in Pomona, CA last June. I don't think it's coming back
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this year or if it is, it's coming back at a different time
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because it's certainly not happening next month.
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But to watch like 50,000 people be like, what the fuck is this?
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To like Dimitri and and Ben and them was just like, yeah,
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because like they really first of all, like it was not their
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crowd. It was like a crowd there to see
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Misfits and and Social D, but there were heads in the place.
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But it was amazing to see people just like going off and
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discovering them for the first time.
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And that's one of my favorite things usually about festivals.
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I try to go to festivals that are not always metal and
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hardcore because I want to learn about new bands.
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And yeah, I definitely did the math core thing.
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I felt like you guys, you know, evolved out of the hardcore
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scene. I always, I also think about
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like very extreme bands like Car Bomb that also, you know,
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probably started liking hardcore and then just became like weird
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musician magicians, you know, like they became magical somehow
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and made like crazy avant-garde. Music.
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Insane music. But I do love that, you know,
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emotional is totally the key of everything.
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And I think that has to do, you know, not just musically, but
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with you and your performance in your lyrics.
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So I wanted to kind of, you know, first of all, we live in a
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crazy. This is just the craziest
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timeline ever. So first of all, I hope you're
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OK and the band is OK and you're, you know, your people
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and your familiars and your families.
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Oh yeah. It's just such a crazy every day
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I wake up and I'm like what the fuck is this life and why are we
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still here? Dude, me too.
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I mean, just so disappointing and crazy and also, but also
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wonderful. There's a lot of good things.
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I try not to get to sad but yeah, like.
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I heard. You wear your life experiences
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like in your songs and on your in your voice and on your
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sleeve. So, you know, for I want to go
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home, you know, you know, obviously, you know, looking to
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make like your mark with this record in 2025.
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But was there anything in the last couple of years that kind
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of, you know, kind of created the path lyrically for you or
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emotionally to kind of guide this record?
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Because I don't think it's a concept record per SE.
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I know there's kind of a suite that closes the end, but I
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wanted to kind of ask like sort of where where your headspace
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was that when you first started making this record and writing
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these songs? Yeah, it is a concept record.
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We're like such essentially a concept being right now, Like
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we've been working on this concept for nine years.
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It started with our EP Why'd You Do It in 2018, And we've been
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just building upon that same world and that same story since
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then. And this is like the conclusion
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of that story. Every equal vision record that
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we've put out has been within the same concept.
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Dear, I'm in house in 2021. That was senior year, Three
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faces that we put out in I don't even remember what year that one
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was junior. Then a Second Chance of Forever
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was sophomore and I Want to Go Home is freshman year.
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All of the same story if you look at the artwork of them all,
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all taken from the same situation, different angles of
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it and going into making the latest record.
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I want to go home. Honestly, it was very stressful.
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It was a stressful time in general, just like with life.
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And I think it really showed in my music, you know what I mean?
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I didn't necessarily feel like, am I going to be able to make
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something like not stressing that way, you know, just I need
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to make, I know how to write a song, but I don't just want to
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write a good song. I want to write a great song,
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you know what I mean? That was the stress.
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That was the thought process going into it.
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I've done this process over and over again, but how do I make
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this time different and how do I evolve and grow?
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And I really think that we did on this record.
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We did things. I did things differently that
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I've never done before. We've been going to the same
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producer writing, you know, the same story since 2018.
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So I didn't want to become, you know, I had to do it
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differently. And I really feel like we did
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this time around. Absolutely.
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And I know that it's very, again, you know, music
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journalists, we have lizard brains.
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So, you know, we read these things all the time.
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This is the best record I've ever done.
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But I do feel the progression, the progression.
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I feel the progression. And you should be, you should be
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comfortable saying like, oh, you know, we tried to push our
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boundaries. I know it starts to sound like
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you know, you know, It starts to sound like, you know, a typical
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script, but like you know. Right.
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It's like, Oh well, of course you did.
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You tried to better the second time.
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It's like, well, anyone's going to do that, But it's not like I
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just came out of left field. It's like a, you know what I
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mean, oboe or something. It's not like I just was like, I
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know how to write a chorus. I know how to write a verse, but
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it's just doing it the best that I've ever done it.
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You know what I mean? And I I just, I feel it.
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I feel it this time around. I like listen and I'm just like
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having perspective and having age and just doing it, but
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feeling more prepared. It's like, how could it be the
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same? I'm not the same person, you
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know what I mean? And the experience of playing
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the songs, trying to win people over, trying to prove that
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you're worth listening to. And then going back to those
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places and seeing the people that stuck around that believed
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you, that were like, you know what, this is good.
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I do want to be a part of this, seeing that that process only
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comes with time and age and experience.
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Where we play Orlando, FL now or something.
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We play Dallas, TX now and I see people from a Hill of Sun tour.
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I see people from a Boundaries tour.
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I see people from all over the place, you know, and it's like a
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fine wine, you know what I mean? Just you develop that sort of
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characteristic, that depth to your band just with with age and
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time. And I think having that in mind,
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playing or writing, having that in mind while writing made the
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product come out different and better.
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Word, I love hearing that. And you know, you mentioned
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before about you like, you know how to write a chorus.
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You absolutely do because I'll say that when I heard a single
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when I say I was like, oh, this leveled up a lot.
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Like great hooky chorus, same trademark sound, not too out of
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left field, but you know, like, because even the most brutal and
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gnarly thing can be hooky. There can be a hook and
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everything, right? You don't understand that.
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And I think that's what you guys are doing on this record.
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And I think extra prayers and when I say and and a couple of
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other tracks, lower forms of suicide also have like they
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catch you, whether it's a melody or whether it's a line, like
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phrasing. And I think that you clearly
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stepped up on those areas. Thank you.
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Yeah, it was a conscious effort because I don't know, cool to
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write like just music, to write crazy things, just part after
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part. But I'm trying to write songs,
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you know what I mean? I'm trying to write like
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cohesive things and having the story so concrete, so factual at
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this point because before it was so free form, it was I was
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starting something and I'm finishing something now.
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So there's there's facts that need to be covered.
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You know what I mean? Things that need to be brought
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full circle. I just I feel like I have more
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of a foundation with writing this.
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Right on. I love it.
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I also love these complex titles.
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In some cases, you know, it just kind of tickles the writer in me
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as a former band dude that is just starting to make music
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again myself. And I'm getting into that pen to
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paper area and I'm like, man, I love these titles.
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It's almost like chapters of a book.
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And it also reminded me a lot of like some of my earlier
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influences being from New York City, like Kandaria and stuff
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like that. They used to have these obtuse
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like titles and lyrics. So I obviously you're telling a
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story. He said it's a concept record
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and following the concept of the band, but also the same thing
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without revealing too much, if you if you wanted to share sort
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of the, this is the final chapter of the last bunch of
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chapters, right? This is the final the, the, the
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3rd chapter of Lord of the Rings, you know, return the
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gesture sort of what you know, if you wanted to give somebody
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like an overarching guide, obviously go back.
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I can listen to the others. But now you have this and we're
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starting with confusion in the car crash all the way up 13
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tracks, no filler, all killer. You know, what would you tell
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somebody like here's how do you begin this journey to listen?
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Yeah, You know, honestly, I feel like you should start with this
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album, not as a selling point, but start with this album and go
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back in order. Go this album, then a second
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chance of forever, then three faces then dear Lemon house,
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which is basically just the order that we've been releasing
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these equal vision records because it's like 1234 you know
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because it's freshman 2 senior year.
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I want to go home the eyes kind of supposed to be one a second
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chance of forever. You know what I'm saying 3
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phases of beauty. So that's that's how I would say
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start with that and really just not to reveal the entire story,
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but this current the I want to go home.
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It's about the character Taylor Oxford, who transfers from New
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Jersey to Philadelphia and goes to this school.
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And you just kind of see how the things that happened between
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Taylor and the school counselor, who's played by me, the things
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that happened between Taylor and the school counselor, they, they
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kind of set the scene for the rest of the story.
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This whole time, Taylor's kind of been the side character, you
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know, the background character. But you kind of see listening to
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this that Taylor's been at the beginning of it all along or the
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center of it all along. That is so hard trying not to
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say. Yeah, yeah, of course not.
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Listen, like, you know, you're also like guarding.
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But what is it? Yeah, what is it?
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But no, it's, I appreciate you. Thank you for unpacking it just
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a tiny bit. That has opened up so many more
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things in my mind. Did you ever have a school
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counselor that made an impact on you?
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Because that's now I'm hearing it back in the back of my brain,
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like now, because I just listened to all this stuff
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before today, right? Not just the new record, but I
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go back and I, I try to do my homework before I talk to
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somebody, especially for the first time.
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And now I'm like, oh man, now I need to go back and listen with
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new ears because you just told me some new information.
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And I hope that our listeners of the podcast will do that too.
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But did you have kind of like an impactful experience in school
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where someone helps you or guided you or misguided you
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maybe? Yes, misguided.
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Honestly, I just really had overall negative school
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experience. Like, I can't think of anything
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good that came from it besides listening to Like Metal, but
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just taking all that negativity and kind of contextualizing it.
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It's like therapeutic for me and for the people that have been
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listening to our band. You know, I just made characters
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out of these things that happened to me.
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And I'd like it's, it's my experiences.
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It is rooted in like nonfiction. But I do take from other people,
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you know, I've me and Payo. It's really comes from me and
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Payo, but I've taken from other members, you know, experiences
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and lives and friends. You know, it's not just a
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autobiography of just me, me, me.
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It's trying to make something that's universal, that's
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relatable and really for a cautionary tale.
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Right on. I want to say also just in an
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era where everything is just very ephemeral and fast and
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records are records and EPS are kind of blurring the line how
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short they can be. I love that you, your band is
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not afraid musically to just stretch out and make a thing a
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full song and let a thing live. And there are some longer tracks
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on here that are actually some of my more favorite ones.
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So I like that y'all are very adventurous and willing to give
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yourself a chance to develop an idea and not just like, oh, you
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know what? Every song's got to be a minute
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and a half. You know, we all like, everybody
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likes Francore. I don't know anyone about it,
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but I guess it's not. Yeah, it's incredible, but it's
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also not, you know, if you want to have a pretty telling, you
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need a sometimes a longer song. Yeah.
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We, I mean, that's just kind of the nature of our band in
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general. It's not, it's boutique, you
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know what I mean? It's not a disposable and it's
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not fast food. It's just trying to tell this
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story. I need more, you know what I
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mean, than 4 minutes. I need more than just a
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breakdown. Like there's moods and there's
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dynamics you already understand It's there's more to it than
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that. Right on.
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I also want to shout out, like I said, the ending of the record
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has this epic. I'll call it an epic, sweets
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about 20 plus minutes and I love the title without giving away
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anything. I'm not going to ask you to give
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away anything else, but I will just say like the sanguine is
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one of my favorite words ever. And it's basically means, you
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know, happiness and peace after a time of tumult is a is a fancy
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way of saying it like I'm I'm a piece after struggling, which,
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you know, we can all relate to. So I think people are going to
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be you listen to this entire record, But I think that ending
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of the record is going to just wallop some sensitive people.
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So trigger warning, if you're like me, any guys, gals and
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datums, you might hit you pretty strong when you hear it because
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I'm sure it was you know his experience for you to write it.
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Yeah, I mean, trying to already, just looking at it as an album,
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just on a bass level. It's like albums when it ends,
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you know what I mean? On an intense note.
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But this is an album about this character and this situation.
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It has to end tragically. Just you listen to it and it's
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heartbreaking. I don't know why albums always
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have to end sadly to me like that.
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But I guess is what I always took for music was just the
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therapeutic aspect of it, how good it felt to hear a sad song
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and relate to it. I never thought about that.
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I just always feel like the last song got to be the saddest.
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Thing ever, you know, it's just, I think it's part of nature.
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It's part of human nature. It's the same thing with the
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movie, you know, the climax of a movie movie and then the ending.
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We all, we all, I think we love those things.
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And I don't know. What was some of your
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therapeutic inspirational music growing up?
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What were your favorite? Bands, I mean, a huge 1 was
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Coheed in Cambria. We let it be known how much we
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love that band. Everyone in Kalahashi, that was
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a big one, really my top five. It's like Coheed, The Fall of
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Troy, Deftones, and even like a lot of rap, you know what I
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mean? I would listen to a lot of Jay-Z
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and I think of a deep cut one. Like it really got me a lot like
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Birds when I was younger, like 2011.
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I mean, their album conversation piece honestly learned a lot
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about how to write lyrics from that band.
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Fear Before that was a gigantic one for me.
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You can see this equal vision kind of colored, but Fear before
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just had a different feeling or it's very like atmospheric and
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sad, you know, where something else would be like pouring your
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heart out, belting, crying, you know what I mean?
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Like romantic almost. Fear Before just had this very
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introspective feeling and that was I was like, wow, I don't
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even know music feel this way, you know?
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Yeah, those are some of them. Coheed Deftones Father Troy Fear
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Before. Big Deftones fan here, waiting
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waiting. Patiently while sending.
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Deftones and should be a new record announced soon.
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I'm. I'm just like waiting, waiting,
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waiting. Yeah.
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And again, anybody out there in a band?
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I've said this story a few times.
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A band that I saw barely able to draw 100 people in 1995.
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Then I saw the where the Warriors play basketball a
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couple of months ago, like a month and 1/2 like 2019 thousand
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people almost sold out. And then they sold out another
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arena up by SAC by Sacramento in their hometown.
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So like literally 2 shows in 100 mile radius with 40,000 people.
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Good luck, you know, bless them and and all that.
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Just just the last couple of questions for you man, you've
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been phenomenal. I'm working with Piantini,
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Torbio and Anthony Green. What was that like getting them
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to work on your record? It was awesome.
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Like the Anthony Green one came first and it was so just
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unexpected. It's like I just needed some
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inspiration while I was in the studio.
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And I called Anthony because I had met him on the Kohi cruise
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and he was just so cool. Yeah, I mean, like, I, I don't
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even think he realized how much I loved like, or I love his band
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and the music that he's made. And I just had his number.
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I was like, you know what? I'm just going to call, just
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going to call Anthony Green just to ask questions, Jeremy.
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And we had a great conversation and I just shot the shot.
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I was like, you know, what If just what if I was like, hey,
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would you like to be on a song? As if I didn't have the exact
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part figured out already. We'd like to be on a song.
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And he was like, yeah. Just so immediately, yes.
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And it was, I just couldn't wait to tell the guys because they
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were out. I think they went to like the
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grocery store or something. I couldn't wait for them to get
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back to the studio just to give them the news.
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And then with Pantini, it was like, we had this part, but we
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just wanted to make it better, you know what I mean?
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We just wanted to like improve on it and we were going to have
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our friends in Zeta be on it, shout out Zeta and they couldn't
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do it. And it was pales idea.
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He just like like, wait, what if we got shampoo on this and it
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just made so much more sense And I was like, yo, his style, his
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writing and his delivery is just going to take it to a different
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level. And it was I think it was like
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days notice as a heck, can you be on this record?
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We will bring you to Philly and get you back home.
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Just come and do this and like yes, like just no questions
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asked. Booked the ticket and brought
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him to Philly. Like same.
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I don't think it was same day, but it was very soon, you know.
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Killer, killer. Yeah.
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I've been very fortunate to see Anthony solo circa Survive LS
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Dunes. We've just covered LS Dunes on
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their current tour. I actually think that that band
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is better live than on the records.
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But the new record, Violet is really good.
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And then for Fairmont Park After Dark, which is a great fucking
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time right in itself. That's a great title.
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Almost seems like a book or like what a great title.
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Oh my God. So for that one, right, what was
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the do you guys just kind of write and then think like so and
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so will be good on that song or can we collaborate on that with
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this song? Or did you have the songs
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finished and then you offered them up to people?
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I had them finished and then offered them up to people.
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It's like not trying to, you know, art, we're going to have
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this person and then no, it's like we just write what we feel,
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you know what I mean? I try to make it as raw and as
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literal as possible and then figure out things like features
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after the fact. It just so happens that song is
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like a perfect, you know, I mean Anthony Green song.
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Oh, for sure. I mean, for sure.
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That's a mate. Yeah, I mean, that song is, I
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think that. Yeah, Jamie, that someone's
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gonna crush people. It's so good.
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I hope it's a single or something because I think it
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needs to get hurt by everybody. I still think singles and videos
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help. I don't know.
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I could be wrong. Yeah, it's so hard to know the
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business. It changes literally all the
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time. I just thought.
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Yes, I'd be having a perspective of like someone from, you know,
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oh, I remember MTV 2 premieres and stuff and it's like people
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don't look at it that way. Like really the, the single.
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I feel like it's such a representation.
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It's such a representation. And like I even loved when they
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were like the second and third singles with the videos because
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it was like a little deeper into the album, you know, the first
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one is like a very general, but I feel like the second and third
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wave singles that bands were put out just had so much more
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personality. Do you?
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Do you know what I'm saying? Absolutely.
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And then when you. Heard the album when you got to
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those tracks, it just had a little more depth to it because
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it was like, oh man, this video was a little harder to find.
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Everyone's. I saw the video for this.
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A lot of people didn't see the video for that.
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But then that was like when I was in, you know, high school.
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I'm sure people don't look at it that way anymore.
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Right on. I I hope people do and I, I
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still think there's a place for it and and I'm pumped for it.
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Hey, last question. I always ask a wild card
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question. So of course I'm going to ask
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the guy in Philly where to get the best cheese steak pads,
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Gino's, Angelo's who tell me I've been going, I've been
23:44
getting the wrong ones. Sometimes there's a place called
23:47
AL's I like, like, but I don't know, like where do you go to
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get a cheese steak if you need one or you in the band?
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I would say Ave. on South, it's in South Philly.
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It's just a pizzeria. And it's not like, you know, a
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big flashy sign that's like the best cheese steak in the world.
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It's Joe. I'm sorry I lost you there for a
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second, pal. You there?
24:05
I think you cut out for a second.
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I'm sorry, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you now.
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If you want to just give me the answer again.
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I appreciate it. Yeah, sure.
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I would say Ave. on South in South Philly, that'd be the best
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one because they just like, I don't know, it's not like a big
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flashy sign, you know what I mean?
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That says like best cheese steak in Philly.
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It's just a pizzeria that's really good that has the best
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cheese steak in South Philly, or I'd say Ave. or no, not that
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one. Circles and squares.
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That's in South Philly too. And it's like just this.
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You have to walk up to it. It's just a storefront window.
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Like you don't even walk in to eat.
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And they have amazing food. It's crazy.
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And they're only open, I think like a few days a week.
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I don't even, I'm not sure exactly when they're open.
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I know every time we come home from tour, they're never open a
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Monday or Tuesday. But yeah, Please remember that.
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The best cheese steaks in Philly Ave. on South and a place called
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Circles and Squares. All right.
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Cool good to know. I'm more of a Colby Jack guy
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than a Wiz guy. But like, again, I'm not even
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from Philly, but like next time I get when I get back east again
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and I go to Philly, I'm gonna check those places out and hit
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you. If I could give you one more
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recommendation, when you go to either of these places, get
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Cooper Sharp Cheese Cooper Sharp.
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That is the best cheese to get on a cheese steak.
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That's for real. Yeah, that's to live by.
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But First off, man, thank you so much.
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Congratulations on this new record.
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I'm so stoked for you guys and I can't wait for people to hear it
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all and react to it. And I hope, hopefully we'll get
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you. We'll see you on the road in one
25:46
of these places we cover all over the country in the world.
25:49
I want to go home is coming out from Kanashi on Equal Vision
25:52
Records June 6th. Peter Mann, thanks so much for
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hanging out with us. Hey, thank you man, Appreciate
25:57
it. This has been another episode of
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the Ghost Quote Magazine podcast.